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Name: nightshift
Comment: I still say, along with prosecuting MJ, they should have continued the case and brought the parents of these "pimped" kids to face some justice. Althought he was found not-guilty, I still feel -that MJ is a pedophile, they just could get the correct people to bring him down. Debbie Rowe bubbled and cooed They shoudh ahve hammered her nad then brought in Lisa Marie. Now that Batch had some shat to say, and somehow managed to get out of it too. I guess it's money all the way down the line, if it came to my kids and all.
Name: nightshift
Comment: Sorry for the typos, the boss was in the area.
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: Wait a minute...Lets not get carried away...You can't rank this with Nelson Mandela's release, unless Nelson was jailed for sleeping with lil South Africkan White boys and We know that wasn't the case....Mijac and his people need to stop the comparisons with MLK and Mandela....The sh1t don't fit...I admire and respect Dick Gregory but I wasn't gonna fast for Mijac's silly azz...Liz Taylor's fat drunk azz waited after the trial...Now she's all mouth...I really think Mijac thinks of himself as a savior figure...That's some twisted sh1t. He really could be dangerous...I really mean this, man...
Name: fanteeking
Comment: BOOTANEBOOTUS: I couldn't agree with you more!!! To compare Mijac's "beating these latest charges" to the birth of Dr. King, the release of Mandela etc. is almost sacreligious!!! Mandela and Dr. King were respectable, GREAT Black Men who did EXTRAORDINARY things that changed the world. A moon-walk on TV can't compare with Moses demanding "Let my people go!" Mijac should shut up and sit down and leave those little white boys alone!!
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: Fan..I betcha Mijac has a picture of himself hanging Christ-like from a cross...I betcha he has it hidden in one of his "Freak" rooms...The room with the alarm on the door
Name: ChakaTee
Comment: Bootane you just took ALL of the words out of my mouth! All of them! Nelson Madela?! Dr. King?! Fasting for 40 days?! WTF!!!
Name: mdcurry
Comment: I'm sure he (MiJac) will never be the same after this trial. And yes, they should aggressively pursue the parents who rendered their children happily to MJ's bed just for material gain!
Name: 4500
Comment: why don't jackson sue the little boys to get his money back also sue the state of california for that stress he went throught
Name: ericsgirl
Comment: Randy need to give me freakin break, he has lost his mind putting that on the website. Bootane, fanteeking said exactly what I am sure alot of people are going to think when they read that about Michael's case as history like Martin Luther King, Mandela. Good grief.
Name: sultry
Comment: I really wish that you all would leave Mj alone. The trial is over and the man is going on with his life . We do not have to like the way he act or we do not have to know every thing that Mj is doing. The man is entitled to have a private life outside of the entertainment world. If you all think that he did something then that is your opinion and you are entitled to your opinion but by the same token justice has been served and for those of you who think that he still did something , just remember whatever you do in the dark will come to light in the long run. Me on the other hand do not believe he did these things and I am entitled to believe what I want to just like you guys. We all need to just show our support of his family and pray for all of them because this accusation could very well be something that could have happened in all of our families and we would not like it if people wer saying all these awful things about them when we wholeheartedly believe in them and trust in them. My opinion
Name: ShadowKnows
Comment: Hey sultry, so will you be dropping your kids off at Neverland today? It's the perfect time. I suspect you won't have to wait in line behind any other parents.
Name: TJthemilitant
Comment: umm um..this will never go away Sultry, and people will not stop talking about it! He is entitled to a private life outside of the entertainment world?..So is everyone else!..That doesn't mean they're going to get it especially Mike unless he does a Howard Hughes. Nobody is bothering Michael, he don't give a damn about our opinions on this board!
Name: archcookies
Comment: Leave it to the Jacksons to blow this whole thing up into just kind of monument to MJ's greatest. They are playing with fire to insert the date of MJ aquittal to all of the other significant events, it smacks of arrogance. Now if MJ didn't think there was anything wrong with sleeping with children why now is it being stated that he will never do it again. The attorney of record can't guarantee that MJ will never do this again because it is part of his nature---I think MJ needs to take my advice and start auditioning 20 to 30 year old white midgets with little to no body hair he's be a lot safer.
Name: archcookies
Comment: >sultry We are just expressing our disgust at the arrogance of the Jackson tribe especially MJ. If he was mentally stable he would wish for total isolation for a year or more. That don't need to stage a Victory Tour he got off by the skin of his teeth not because he was innocent but because the people bringing the charges against him were not reliable. We are just stating what we feel and I feel total disgust at the absolute gall of this family to capitilize on the failed attempt to convict him. I believe he is a pedophile and will continue to believe that. It his family loved him they would get him some help or counseling this goes way beyond bizarre.
Name: ebonetyee
Comment: No one on this board or most of America knows Micheal Jackson. It seems that the people who do know him, who are closest to him, believe that he could never abuse a child. That he's too child like himself. I heard Babyface on the Donnie Simpson show this morning and he was singing praises for Mike, from a friend's standpoint. Like I said, none of us know him personally. We only know what we hear and see from the media, who are a lot of times biased. Maybe the man is innocent.
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: Mijac is a public figure, so guess what?....His life is gonna be made public...It comes with the territory...Let me add this, if my 47 year old brotha was sleeping in the same bed with lil boys...I'd have the men in the white suits put his azz in the lil truck and move him to the lil white cottage...Like the majority of the posts, it's the arrogance that bothers me most. Mijac and his clan better be humble because you know YT is gonna be on his azz now more than ever...Tread softly Michael Joseph
Name: archcookies
Comment: >ebonyetyee No we really don't know him but you have to really that there are people that by all appearance are normal and have peaceful demeanors. Do you think pedophile carry around little books with pictures of children being sexually compromised? People can mentally let dual lives or parallel lives. Most serial killers/serial rapist don't look like monsters they depend on their ability to blend in and even attract victims. I am sure Micheal does have a gentle side but I do not think that is all there is to MJ. Baby we need to stop making excuses for his inappropriate behavior and look squarely at the facts as they have presented himself. MJ has squired little boys all around the world with him, living in fabulous hotels, going on vacations with them. This is not normal by any standards. I know I appear to be pulled in two ways by this matter, because I am convinced that he has an untreated mental illness therefore he should receive treatment but as far as believing he is capable of these acts I most certainly do.
Name: archcookies
Comment: correct really = realize
Name: archcookies
Comment: correction let = live
Name: renay
Comment: Shadow, stop it, LOL! Randy should be arrested for saying MJs name in the same sentence as Nelson Mandela.
Name: PLUGG62225
Comment: I guess all is well in the world now that Michael has been acquitted. Military Moms and Dads are not dying overseas and people around the world are not dying of hunger. I don't know Michael but just at a distance, I can tell he isn’t too swift. Just a little investigation by him and his click, could have saved him a lot of heartache. Chris, Jay, and many others could have and did tell him- watch out. He chose to fall into this trap. Anyway, all is well in the world now. Oops, Civil Suit case to come. My bad, the drama will continue.
Name: Gemami
Comment: The problem with all of this is that the Jackson clan/associates aren't staying out the media, so I truly believe his "people" are feeding the fire of an over zealous media ready to pounce on him. Mike is a freak but he created this freak-image so I can't be mad at a media. Anyway, he was acquitted and personally I’m happy but he needs to instruct his people to stay out the media. He needs to just go into seclusion, leave the country and regroup. My biggest problem has always been Michael’s and his people’s comparing him and this situation to the humanitarian efforts and struggles of people like Mandela and MLK, men who suffered, not for self, but for the betterment of man. That comparison is, as someone said, sacrilegious, blasphemy, just plain ridiculous. Yes, Mike has gave money to charities and he's big on children's issue, but how has this man suffered, put his life on the line, for the betterment of man -- he hasn't. This trial was Michael own doing -- he had a choice and he choose to sleep with little boys leaving himself open to a criminal charges. I can't pray, let alone fast, for a man who time and time again doesn’t use common sense.
Name: archcookies
Comment: >Plug I hope to God that don't file a civil suit, I do not want to move to Siberia but if I have to I will just to get away for the next wake of Michealmania
Name: archcookies
Comment: Gemami enjoyed your comments but remember Michael is from Never Neverland, the lost boys there never grow up.........................
Name: ShadowKnows
Comment: Hey Renay!! I'm noticing the supporters are saying he didn't do anything wrong and he's not even capable of hurting a child...but no one is on their way to Neverland to drop their kids off.
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: I do not get how a man a "Black Man" can be vindicated and acquitted on charges and his own people still view him has being guilty. Even the jurors after reading the 160 dockets of evidence DID NOT BELEIVE IT, there is no smoking gun, no proof- yet we still have convicted him of being a pedophile. Why is it so hard to give the man benefit of the doubt. Allow him to screw up before he is given the scarlet letter. That makes me sad that our people can not support this man. That is what is wrong with us we do not support each other through anything. It took a perdominately white jury to free him. I wonder what would have happened if they were black. I see in the court of opinion he is guilty, NONE of us know what was goign on all we rely on is what the media has twisted and turned around. I'm just flabergasted at us, it makes me weak to read these comments after all the shyt this man has done to clear his name.
Name: Gemami
Comment: archcookies, you are too funny. I might be moving the Siberia with you 'cause the Michael-ton has just begun.
Name: archcookies
Comment: Let me say this I respect Dick Gregory's position if you notice he was fasting for the truth to come out and I think his efforts were sincere however misguided. But as for Cleopatra Taylor, she needs to shut her short purple eyed, drug dependant azz up, if you couldn't stand of for me during the worse events in my life and make a public statement then don't come creeping out after the verdicts and start getting shytty with the media. I agree the media is the monster but they wouldn't be able to do what they do if people like MJ and crazy Lizzy didn't give them so much fodder.
Name: ShadowKnows
Comment: FreeMsWhite - are you on your way to Neverland to drop off your kids?
Name: Monicia
Comment: Hmmmmmmmmmm, all the charges dropped. Mj need to go to a health spa, and get himself together, then some seroius counciling. The strange thing about this whole mess, is "daddy Joe". Where we don't "know" Mj, we know of the way he was raised. Daddy had problems that were inflicted on the whole family, sadly. This chapter in Mj's life is over. I hope we can all move on. But,alas, this will go on for years I suspect, like Oj. And the mother should not have the nerve to file a civil suit. After she straight "pimped" her children? She should face charges.
Name: PRDC
Comment: The trail is over, why all the negativity....I see whenever it comes to our own people...some of us are so quick to point fingers and spread igorance...that's why it's so much in the world and by reading some of these comments one can tell what feathers of a bird some of you are in. I will take my children to Neverland if invited and some of you being negative will do the same. When you point one finger at a person four are pointing back at you. As history have it, those of you who thinks so positively that he did it---maybe the ones that are doing it and getting away with it at the time. God is and will always be on his side and there is nothing the evils and devils of the world can do about it. Some of you are really dumb sounding really......
Name: archcookies
Comment: >Free you have been making a lot of sense lately this man has not been vindicated he has been acquitted and you can be acquitted on a legal technicality. If MJ is going to resume his career I fear he faces some major hurdles and I am not sure if he will clear all of them. If he were taking advice I would tell him to be quiet, don't give interviews or make public appearance, work on his craft and devote himself to those little white kids of his. But for the family to make a big tulmult about his winning is ill advised with the huge cloud of suspision that remains suspended over his head. This man is clearly mentally disturbed and needs to be treated accordingly. We loved the MJ of old and will always treasure his music but brother needs to majorly regroup.
Name: TJthemilitant
Comment: Unless he builds a Neverland on the East Coast..I ain't going!...Quit letting other people's opinion about someone "YOU" personally do not know affect you! Just opinions, damn!
Name: archcookies
Comment: >PRDC Michael Jackson brought all of this trouble on his head, please don't get mad if people haven't jumped on his victory wagon at this point. We all wish him well but most of us know that if he doesn't get his mental disorder treated he will be a repeat offender. What he did can not be undone and people are entitled according to the 1st Amendment to vocalize whatever they think whether it be profound or foolish.
Name: boogie1
Comment: Freemswhite, I agree with you on this. It doesn't matter if it's MJ or Bobby down the street. The jurors had to go on the evidence that was presented to them and nothing else. Why can't we all respect eachother's opinions about the case? Was it right for Michael to have young boys sleep in his bed, HELL NO, but only God, Michael and Gavin know the truth! Still, there is something shady about that mother & her children. >ShadowKnows, would I let my kid go over to Michael's house, you damn right I would. I JUST WOULDN'T LET MY CHILD SLEEP IN THE SAME BED AS MICHAEL!
Name: ShadowKnows
Comment: I don't care about anyone else's opinion and I'm not pointing any fingers. I'm asking who is willing to drop their kids off at Neverland to play with Michael. So far, no takers.
Name: ShadowKnows
Comment: Boogie, once you drop him off, you can't control where he sleeps.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Free I asked the same question y'day. How in the world can we say that we believe that he's guilty yet, we're glad he didn't go to jail. That just doensn't make newhere close to rational sense. It just doesn't. We al are entitled to our own opinions but in the end it's just that..opinions. Pedophile or not...MJ believes/d that it was ok to sleep in the bed w/children. Those are his beliefs but because we don't agree w/his beliefs is it really fair to say he is a child molester. Because I'm a voodoo prince does that mean that I'm evil. Because I practice polygamy does that mean that I'm wrong (depends on what country you live in). Because I'm 35 and married the 16 yr old girl from my tribe does that mean that I'm wrong (in my tribe it's legal AND right). So, as I said b4, why not let go of our own bias and deal w/the evidence at hand. In the end, what else do we have. His word against mine. Well the jury didn't believe his word and that's what they repeated over and over again.
Name: PRDC
Comment: Archcookies ---who's mad...in this life time I probably will never meet Michael, but because a person is accused of something doesn't make it the gospel. People of all colors will lies and black on black is a major one. If one feels that they wouldn't take their children to Neverland so be it, you don't have to and probably won't be invited to do so. Michael is no freak---that would mess with children and alot of people are going on his looks and we all should know that looks a deceiving. Some people have negative thoughts of what went on, is it because you may be the one who would do what he is accuse of doing. He will be alright and if none of you want to support him when he comes back up...then so be it...you are just a small number.
Name: Gemami
Comment: ShadowKnows, o.k., I'll take -- H3LL NO I would not drop my kid off at Neverland. Besides the fact that I wouldn't leave my child with Ronnie, Bobby, Ricky or Mike -- I would be foolish to leave my child with a man that I know was accused of child molestation more than once. I don't care he was acquitted or that I don't know the truth, I'll be a foolish parent to put my child in that predicament.
Name: boogie1
Comment: ShadowKnows, you best believe all those parents knew their children slept w/Michael. Again, I would let my child go to his house period!!! There is too much damn security in that house for anyone not to know anything. You saying you can't control where your child sleeps is BULL!
Name: boogie1
Comment: How many of us have let our children sleep over a friend's house without meeting the parent's or everyone who lived in that house? This unfortunate situation is so much bigger than MJ!
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: Arch you say anyone can be acquitted on a technicality. I agree , but this was far from a technicality. I mean the 12 mean and women said that the time line in which these events occured were erry and seemed like a set up. They did not just "not believe the mother" the whole 160 dockets were questionable. These people sat on national television and told america "This does not seem right, the mother is and azz, the son is not credible" " the evidence is not believable" "the time line in which this occured was scary". But yet and still you can get "technicality" from that UNBELIEVABLE, just admit it Arch you do not like him because he is weird and in your eyes that spells out pedophile. That is what it boils down to, and that is so unfair. I think you should really sit back and check yourself on that. You guys open your eyes, this case is not cut and try. Listen at Sneddon speak, turn the volume all the way down and watach that cracker.
Name: archcookies
Comment: >herbs I have been the one that said I was glad he didn't go to jail this is what I have said earlier and I will restate. MJ has a mental disorder, anytime you think you are Peter Pan and sit in a "magic tree" to write music. He is not twelve yrs old he is almost fifty. He continued before this trial to be in the intimate company of little boys. In spite of all of that or because of that I thought the most humane thing was to be him in a treatment facility. Yes I said I believe he is guilty but wanted the court to perscribe treatment. Now he and his stupid family (not all) are planning a Victory Tour, leaves me to believe that they are more interested in getting their own waning careers revived as opposed to helping a sick brother.
Name: archcookies
Comment: PRDC don't have any children to send to Neverland but if I did they wouldn't be going there.
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: But how can you determine he has a mental disorder if you are not a doctor or have come in close contact with him. That is crazy, "ok he should not go to jail" BUT even though he is innocent of charges I think that he is mentally disturbed. Operative word " I think". UNBELIEVABLE. Planning a TOUR,.. this man has a life arch, why should his life be ruined because of a trial that he was aquitted of. I mean dam, you just want him to SUFFER,. he has SUFFERED, look at his dam face girl, he look like somebody stole his dam bike.
Name: archcookies
Comment: >Free let me say this again I DO NOT DISLIKE MJ and even if I did that would be my perogative.
Name: PRDC
Comment: Archcookies....it's good to know that there is one person on this earth that is without sin....because you want to be so pure and usually you are the one that people should keep three eyes on....
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Arch..I can't say what MJ should or shouldn't do w/his career. IF he feels as if he should move on then fine. HOWEVER, although people say that MJ has reached the end of his career. I say wait and see. If MJ hooks up w/a hot producer...Kanye/Neptunes it's gonna be hot. If he wants to he can reinvent himself. His largely non-black fan base showed that they support him. As far as his career is concerned, that's what's important. And I'll say again I wouldn't have a problem w/my kids going to Neverland but I wouldn't let them sleep in bed w/ANY adult who's not a family member. That's just me. MJ has a perception of reality that I don't even know if he understands. He needs help. A whole lot of it.
Name: sultry
Comment: ShadowKnows- Don't ask me that stupid wuestion again. Now I got one for you will you go to HELL?
Name: archcookies
Comment: >Free I see your hackles raising but I am not going to engage with you in a cat fight. No I am not a MD or psychiatrist but you don't need to be one to see that this person has problems. Honey the main object of this website is to encourage an exchange of ideas. I can accept that you believe Michael is innocent and you have that right, now give me a little respect and let me beleive what I beleive. You evidently live your life vocariously through the lives of celebrities--I don't these discussions to be are mere entertainment. I am opinionated and will be the first one to tell you I am. I can't be shamed into accepting your beliefs and you should understand this discussion is not crucial to the survival of the world or civilization as we know it. Please lighten up I have been enjoying your responses even the ones that I don't agree with. I maynot be a certified psychiatrist but I have lived life long enough and seen enough to know when a person has a problem and Michael does. He carries the evidence around with him whereever he goes----his totally mutilated face.
Name: sultry
Comment: the militant- okay I respect what you are saying
Name: Gemami
Comment: FreeMswhite, let's not look at this logically. This man did not have a normal childhood, was forced to perform while still very young, was beaten when he didn't want to, created a fantasy world for himself, both figutively and literally, manipulated his image (and I'm not referring to the vertigo), etc. -- and he doesn't need a good shrink??? Jail wasn't never the answer, getting therapy is.
Name: sultry
Comment: archcookies- I respect what you say on the first posting
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Gem., did you mean to say he "mutilated" his image..lol
Name: archcookies
Comment: >Free they could not convict Mike because of the credibility of the accusers not because of his innocence. The law says to convict beyond a shadow of doubt, this was doubt as to the motives of the accuser's mother. I believe he molested that little boy, if this has been a "normal" or "untroubled" family MJ would be sitting in a jail cell this morning.
Name: Snicker
Comment: shadowknows.....i don't THINK michael molested that boy but since i don't KNOW for sure i wouldn't drop my child off at neverland......actually even if these charges had never been brought against him i wouldn't drop my child off with him because that's just not something i do, i don't give a damn if he is michael jackson my child would not get dropped off anywhere with him or any other grown man.
Name: ShadowKnows
Comment: My position is that where there's smoke, there's fire. Yes, he was acquitted or molesting this child. But let's not forget he paid off a few others to make their accusations go away. So, let's pretend the accused isn't a superstar. Let's pretend he's Leroy Jenkins down the street. You have watched over the years how a numbef of child molestation accusations have been filed. Leroy has some means so he paid off the first couple accusers. Let's say they settled out of court because Leroy is an important personality in the community (the local pastor, maybe?) and he needs to maintain his image. Now you just learned that another child is accusing Leroy. The family is the accuser has always been a niusance and you never wanted them in your neighborhood anyway. So they go to court and lose. Are you still going to send your child down to Leroy's house to hang out with him?? God helps us all when parents don't protect their children. Let's say Leroy's son has been accused or rape 3 times but has never been found guilty. Are you going to send your daughter to the prom with him? Come on, people. If we don't protect our children, who will?? I'm afraid for any child whose parent says, "Sure, I'll let little JoJo spend the night at Michael Jackson's house." And unless you're there spending the night too, you CANNOT control where he sleeps. You can tell him, "Make sure you don't sleep in Mr. Jackson's bed" but trust that Mr. Jackson has his own ways of getting little boys to take off their clothes and get in bed with him. "Shhh, it'll be our little secret."
Name: archcookies
Comment: >PRDC what's up honey, I didn't say I was blameless or sinless you all better stop sniffing glue so early in the morning and read what is written here now if you and Ms. Free want to champion MJ then please do so but the rest of us that have our doubts we can coexist with you two and agree to disagree. It's just that easy. Look people I don't get on this board "on the rag" looking for someone to take my lumps out on---I am here to enjoy a spirited conversation and I don't think in any of the post I have given the impression that I was self-righteous, some of you that create these sketches of people that don't agree with you need to start writing fiction you should let an over imaginative mind like that go to waste, you could be making money.
Name: Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: Michael was tried and convicted in the media long before the jury verdict. I just wonder if the media is going to try to discredit the jury and claim some sort of incompitence like they did with the O.J. jury. Probably not, because jurors in Michael's case were white. I'm interested to see how this will pan out. I know one thing, Nancy Grace's face is really cracked. She gets on my last nerve.
Name: archcookies
Comment: thank you Gemami
Name: ShadowKnows
Comment: Sultry, why the harsh words? Why not just answer the question. Afraid to?
Name: RealGAPeach
Comment: I'm already over the Monday-Morning quarterbacking. they had the jury on GMA again this morning and now they claim to have been leaning toward a guilty verdict. Whateva. The entire world is focus on MiJac and he really doesn't concern us.. but the earthquake in Cali, the war in Iraq, the WMD that haven't been recovered and where the heck is Osama been Hidin .. things that have direct impact on us
Name: Gemami
Comment: musbdherbs, I had so many typos in that posts... but yes, that's what I meant.
Name: Gemami
Comment: ShadowKnows, I totally agree... it's not about MJ it's about what's best for the children. A lot of people are looking at the celebrity and not the situation. I also like your scenarios.
Name: Angel
Comment: Musb and FreeMsWhite - The jury found MJ not guilty of molesting this child, HOWEVER several of the jurors stated that there is a possibility that he may have molested in the past, so saying he was vindicated of being a pedophile is not totally true. He was only vindicated of not molesting this particular boy. Personally, I don't know if MJ did anything with other boys, however I think any parent that drops their kid off with someone who has been accused of molesting others should be arrested along with the pedophile if that person does something their child. JMO
Name: renay
Comment: Was it ever discussed that MJ sleeps with his own children? Just curious.
Name: ShadowKnows
Comment: Thanks, Gemami. I'm completely baffled (and quite frightened) at the lack of protective parenting. I guess a lot of people are starstruck enough to put their child in what could become a questionable situation.
Name: Secret
Comment: First of all there is no cure for Pedophilia, so Mike can get all the therapy in the world and it will not cure him of his attractions to little boys. If Mike was all about the kids he would have little boys and girls over to Neverland but we have never heard about him befriending little girls. That should be a red flag right there. Now I believe in the law Mike was acquitted (great for Mike) Do I support him Hell NO when in the hell has Mike ever been down for Blacks. Never!! Oh my bad only when he gets in a bind then he uses his blackness to his advantage. Mike’s a phony in ever way it is embarrassing to hear that he is comparing himself to Mandela or MLK. Get real Mike you sang a couple of damn songs. So what!! What’s so special about that?? The prosecution’s case sucked that’s why Mike is free today. Not because he’s innocent but because the prosecution failed at his job miserably.
Name: archcookies
Comment: >Secret You hit the nail on the head.
Name: Fragrance
Comment: I think this is great debate! Great banter. Black folks need a place to say how they really feel....Look at most of the white media, they use the cable and regular stations and splatter their venem and we are supposed to just take it, from their point of view. Well, no, we are decendents of Africa (and most likely after the slave ships arrived, some massa blood,)and Native American...We have a right to say how we feel. My father was a Baptist Minister and each year after the Baptist Conventions that's all we heard was the 'after talk'. That didn't mean that they would not all congregate the next year and Praise God together, but the problems, emotions and feelings that they had and love or hate for one another was voiced! So that is what we do as human beings....We express! Michael expresses! In his music, in his dancing...We all love to see it but that does not mean that we have to accept that he is a god. We all have some skeletons in our closet (R Kelly, you've gotta love him for his latest project, playing with words like that) but we do and it always feels good to get around a 'barbershop' or beautyshop' environment, in this case the 'people at the eur boards' and just express...it's healthy, I may learn something about myself, and remember it's fun......move on to the next subject because we know that successful black men are just a 'metaphor' to the white man.......NEXT!
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Angel...From every juror interview I've seen discussing the case, what they have said was the yes there is a possibility that he has molested kids in the past but there was no evidence to prove it in this case. The information that the jurors had on the past allegations were based on hearsay. Remember the accuser from the 93 case didn't testify, only his mother did and I don't know how often u were following the case but this is the mother who, after MJ came to her hotel room crying hysterically and was begging her to allow Jordan to sleep in his hotel room, she allowed it to happen. Now I should say, I'm no longer here to argue if he did/n't, I'm pointing out what doesn't make sense to me. IT's all about what we believe. If you believe the accuser, then you believe that MJ began to molest him after the Bashir documentary AND after the rebuttal. To me, that doesn't make sense. But that just to me. In order to believe he's guilty then you have to believe just that. He waited a couple of years, admitted that he thought it natural to sleep w/lil boyz, then after that, he began to sk on this lil boyz tallywhacker. SHADOW, be it MJ or Leroy, I would still find that hard to swallow.
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: Arch, WOW,.. I live my life( laughing intervenely) vicariously through celebrities, I see you are still thinking about Lil Kim. Dam she stay on the brain. Don't worry Lil Kim is Eye Candy Babbbby,. Lol. Seriously, where did you get that from because not once in anything I said about Michael Jo Jackson that was indi-CATIVE of me living through celebrities. You are like Wendy Williams, as much as she talks about Whitney Houston you know she is a closet fan because Whit is always on her brain. "just and observation". Anyway, I do respect your opinion, some days we argue because I may not be up for BS but it is nothign personal. But you have been really hard on MJ and your comments about him are wrong, wrong, wrong and I can no t believe you would continue to lash out at him after all of this. But it is your opinion. You say that this will not stop the end of civilization as we know it. Well, that is where you are wrong because your mentality is what has put blacks in the position we are in right now in this country. You are not going to catch white people talking dirty about Elvis no matter what he did. They stick together, all I am asking is to give the man the benefit of the doubt at least give him that. Be happy that it is over andpray that he stays away from predators, because that is what they were as testified by other celebrities that have come in contact with this family.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: swallow...lol...GULP!
Name: KeepItReal
Comment: I truly believe MJ is a big phony child molestor. He might not have molested this one, but I definately believe he molested others. I don't believe in the soft spoken voice or that Neverland crap, even Lisa Marie says he doesn't act like that behind closed doors. MJ is a homo pedofile, since he's not going to jail, he needs medical attention and a dose of "soft peter". He wants people to believe that he's weird so he can do whatever he wants. I bet the same folks who think MJ isn't a child molestor believes R.Kelly is innocent
Name: Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: renay- I've never heard anything about that. I'd be interested in that information too. But, in my opinion, those aren't Michael's children. He paid off some white sperm donor. There is no way that those lily-white, straight-haired, thin-lipped, narrow-nosed kids contain any of his DNA.
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: actually, he does have little girls over a lot all sexes, the only thing they report is The BOYS because it is newsworthy. Don't be duped by the media. It is amazing how powerful and engine it is, it can influence a nation. It is all I ever hear qouted on here. Which is the MOST un reliable source.
Name: ChakaTee
Comment: You know, some people kill me when they make statements like "we Black folks need to stick together" when it comes down to some of these celebrities. Fyck that shyt!!! Michael damn near did everything in his power to erase his Blackness! He even went as far as to raise to white kids and turn himself into a white woman. No matter how much he tried to forget that he was Black, YT should woke him up to remind him. This type of shyt happens all of the time. And now that Michael's back was to the wall - we all are supposed to get up and shout "HOORAY". Or when he is having problems with the whiteman he wants to declare 'racism'. And we all are supposed to have his back! Give me a mickeyfickin break!!! Black folks are some of the most forgiving and forgetful folks there are. I for one am not one of those turn-my-cheek and let you kick me up my arse sistahs!
Name: archcookies
Comment: >Free just my observation doesn't have to be true but you do seem to champion these discussions for them as if you are their representatives. All I am saying is we can agree to disagree.
Name: renay
Comment: ClosetNerd, again, I was just curious. He wanted to be a daddy, sleep with your own kids.
Name: archcookies
Comment: >Free No body said he didn't have little girls at Neverland but he didn't have them in his bedroom as has been reported and he did not take them on tour with him around the world.
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: Oh yes he has had them in his bedroom, it was reported it just was not sensationalized. Girls were in the bedrooms at some point.
Name: LA2ATL
Comment: Monicia: No MJ need to bring his teen-i-chy azz to ATL and eat in the cafeteria at my job so he can add some weight to dat azz. . . He need to let shaniqua and tay-tay & 'nem cook for his Olsen twin lookin' azz. like my mama used to say "wit-cho narrow azz."
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: LA...you should've seen Nancy Grace last nite...she's still %*$!ed.
Name: archcookies
Comment: >Free that's cool but let's be real here he did not show as much passion for little girls as he does little boys. I just want him to get well again maybe find himself because I can't help but believe he is lost in some labyrinth in his mind and he needs a skilled professional to help him find his way back to himself.
Name: LA2ATL
Comment: OK I had to stop reading the post when I got to Musb. . . You're a voodoo priest? Ok I need some advice. . how do I get a man to take his rightful place in the household as a man. I refuse to submit to a brotha who I can't trust or don't trust his choices. I can't seem to find one. Ok so like what spell do we do. . ?Not clownin you either. I'm perplexed. We can take this up on another page if you want. . I'm really curious. . . fo real
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: so how does that make me live vicariously through them. Do you know what that means. It means, I can't be them so I live through them. That would mean that I relate to being called a pedophile and a whore who uses dirty words in rap songs to get my point across. WOW, chile i'm just gone choke that up to you not having time to come up with something more creative that describes why i am not a sell out. CHAKATEE< yes girl, I feel you on the forgiveness train. But you can't foster hate for something you know nothing about. That is my point, I dont know. I will never know, but I wont hate him because of it or ASSume anythign about what he plans to do in the future or how he is mentally affected. There is a difference between voicing your opinion and bashing people. This has gone far past opinion polling. You say he did everything to keep from being black. I am not in agreement but look what the black community has done to him, what er ahve done to each other since the gate. I honestly do not beleive MJ bleached his skin, ya'll say the same thing about KIM whom has stated she has never done that and remains chocolate, BUT,. popular opinion SHE bleached her skin/ he bleached his skin,. silliness chile, then it manifests and spreads like roaches then instinctly we believe what we know of the situation. I feel you, but never give up on your people sister, because I can guarantee you they are not giving up on theres. Nepotism still rund rapid in corporate america while the black man/woman have to work 3 times harder to even get entry level. marinate on that sister, and I LOVE YOU.
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: if that his true, arch, therapy wont change it. God is the answer.
Name: archcookies
Comment: >Free I hadn't read your whole reply to you, let me respond to this white people are no more loyal to each other than black people are, people will be people. Someone said that blacks are the most forgiving and forgetful race of people on the face of the earth and we are. Free we are no where near as cold as European are to each other and to those they don't like. Now when you said you argue with me because you are not in the mood for BS that day---you need to rethink that because at the end of the day even after have a knock down drag out discussion on this site I have to go to my real life and my real problems. This site is a welcomed diversion and I find it interesting when people don't agree with me. But a few weeks ago I got into an argument with you and I thought how very stupid that all was. Our people have many faults but I wouldn't want to be a part of any other ethnic group because with all of our flaws there is a great depth of mercy and kindness in us.
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: OH DEF, I AM WITH YOU SISTER. BUT LATELY WE HAVE NO BEEN DISPLAYING THAT. BLACK PEOPLE HAVE STARTED TO DO SOME OF THER SAME NASTY CAVE MAN LIKE SHYT WHITE PEOPLE DO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HATE, IT BOTHERS ME BECAUSE I AHVE CHILDREN AND IT IS GETTING HARDER AND HARDER.
Name: archcookies
Comment: >Ms Free I do not use words that I don't understand or know the definition of and the word was used correctly in what I was saying to you.
Name: archcookies
Comment: HOW IN THE WORLD DID WE GET BACK ON LIL KIM FREE YOU ARE DOING IT AGAIN LMAO.
Name: ShadowKnows
Comment: Um, MsWhite, have you seen Lil Kim lately? Seriously, have you seen her? You must not have because she has bleached the heck out of her skin. Take a look. She's no longer chocolate as you say. On a separate note, the black community hasn't done anything to Michael Jackson, as you claim. He did it all to himself.
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: Listen ya'll these white people are having a discussion about MJ. I just heard, and this is not ajoke I am no tlying if I am lying I am flying. This white bytch said " Rich black people can do what ever they want NOW". That NOW word is what got me. This shyt is so real, if ya'll don't believe it you better get to believing.
Name: LA2ATL
Comment: Musb: I read your post about Nancy. . I had a skit for Dave Chappelle show: They start out with her hair done, etc talkin about the MJ case and with each commercial break, she comes back more and more tow up, hair f'd up on one side, she leanin on her hand or got one leg up on the desk, next, one eyelash done came off, she smokin a cigarette, next commercial break she come back with a basball cap on backwards talkin' slang like "so yo what up wid dat Mike thang." then next she got a 40 and a joint offering her guest a hit *while inhaling* "yo dat shyt waz wack, homeboy was trippin, but whateva, I'm out. . .PEACE" and she drops the mic and walks off the set. LMAO Phew that was a visual, at least it was funny a heck to me. . . I got a kick outta that. .
Name: archcookies
Comment: I do agree with Shadow, MJ has been the one who has been moving away from his blackness. I think most black people were just dumbfounded when he first started chaning himself but now I am completly flabagasted at how a molten self-hatred can cause you to destroy how you look. Please don't keep saying he has vitiligo because it doesn't spread that fast. He has gone to a dermatologist and has received injection to either slow down or halt the production of melanin. We did not desert him as some people purport but he has deserted his culture by ascribing to Europeans standards of beauty. There was nothing wrong with MJ's face of complexion it was beautiful now he looks like a puppet and his skin color is the color of the underside of a fishes belly.
Name: renay
Comment: Any true victim of vitiligo would knock MJs wig off for claiming this disease.
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: Well my husbands 1st cousin has vitaligo and she looks like she is and albino. I do not know how fast it spread, but she looks the same way if not worse. BUT, look at MJ face it is ghostly white,. like WHY would he do that intentionally. Even after his long time doctor go on television and stated " he has vitaligo a disease" The roaches spread and say,. it ainta disease he tried to bleach his skin, that is some ghetto shyt that can only derive fromn the hood, a dumb micky ficky. Let's do a little bit of research on vitaligo, let's put some facts out there,. one moment please.
Name: TJthemilitant
Comment: I don't recall it ever being reported that Mike had little girls sleeping over in HIS room, in HIS bed. Why, because he is not attracted to little girls, just little boys...I am pass feeling sorry for this old azz man with a childs mind. What I want is for him to get the help he needs, he is clearly a sick man! And his family is a bunch of enablers...FREE, you say look into his face it looks like someone stole his bike?...Naw girl, when I look into that face I see a regurgitation of what was once a beautiful face with features not unlike my own. I see hatred of ones self. I see denial of ones race. And I long for the "OLD" Mike!
Name: LA2ATL
Comment: Free: . . .look on his face like someone who stole a bike??? naw look like someone who got hit in the face with one. . .I don't give a damn about this situation either way, I's tired. . .Shoot I'm lookin for my answer from my post to Musb. . .I wish I had an 1/8th of an 1/8th of his money, but not his situation. . . I love my peace. . even my negroid-ness. . .
Name: ShadowKnows
Comment: Tell 'em, renay!
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: LA...AYE I AM NOT A VOODOO PRIEST..LMAO, I was using that as a reference point to what I was saying...BUT on your question though, if you are w/a man who refuses to take his rightful place as the man then do both of you a favor...LEAVE HIM. I know how sometimes women fall into the pattern of having to "teach" a man. In a relationship there should be a high level of reciprocity. BUT, don't depending on what it is, please don't listen to those who tell you..."you know how men are"..."men are this/that"....NOPE don't do it. You know what makes you happy. It's always important to weigh the elements of what you NEED in order to have a successful relationship, and what you WANT. They are very different. We know that it's all about sacrifice and you should sacrifice only those things you WANT not those you NEED. If you NEED a man to romance you, be responsible, and other things like that, then wait for that man to come and leave the current as an afterthought. OK I just thought about it, you may have been joking about the question....For that reason, I'll stop writing...BUT if you got some questions, BELIEVE ME, I got somne answers...lol
Name: TJthemilitant
Comment: Vitaligo happens in stages. You do not wake up one morning a white man! It normally starts with the hands and spreads. What was his doctor supposed to do after being paid millions?....Admit he bleached Mike's skin? Come on now....
Name: ShadowKnows
Comment: Free, so you've explained away the skin bleaching as vitiligo. How do you explain the hair and the nose? Is the black community doing that to Michael?
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: NO, u got back on Kim,..talking about,.. I am living vicariously through celibritie(s) plural. Every one knows the only other person I have defended was Lil Kim and Destiny's Child. You got back on it cuz she stay on your brain, I know u got all kim cd's at the house, closet FAN.
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: Okay, I aint say he wasnt a lil sweet now. He may be a lil sweet which explains the motley do. But if you had 3 billion dollars you would not change somethiing on you that you did no tlike. Patti Labelle had a Rhino Plasties know one said anything, MJ shy was just botched up.
Name: TJthemilitant
Comment: Shadow..good question.. I think I'll even wait around for that answer!!!
Name: ChakaTee
Comment: I'm sorry Free, but what is it that we Black people have been doing to Michael? He did that to himself. Let's assume for arguments sake that he does have vitalago(sp), but why fuuuck up the nose? Why must he always so closely identify with the Caucasion culture? I stood by Michael for years and years, but when he butchered his damn face, and did a whole bunch of other stuff - that's when I got off the train. And as far as his plastic surgery is concerned, there were bonafide accredited doctors on many television shows and credible news sites that went into expert detail concerning his plastic surgery. There was one special that I liked the best, I think that it was on the Discovery Channel. They detailed the way his face looked from age 23-24 up into the present.
Name: TJthemilitant
Comment: Patti had ONE RHINOPLASTY and guess what?...She stopped!!
Name: ShadowKnows
Comment: MJ found the only plastic surgeon in Hollywood who couldn't make a black nose slimmer?! Everyone else got what they wanted (Patti included) but MJ's was botched? Repeatedly? Um, okay.
Name: ChakaTee
Comment: Patti still looks human! When Michael gets on TV my youngest child just says "there's that man/woman".
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: Michael tell those damn kids that NEVERLAND/Peter Pan Land is "CLOSED"! Now, get the hell off your lawn, before you call the cops. You will no longer make large donations to kids charities, burnwards at the hospital etc. You will make small donations through CARE.
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: TJthemilitant > No, they did not focus on the fact that there was girls, boys and entire families sleeping in MJ's room. I think they succeed in what they wanted to do. Which was show that he's a freak and they thought because they had evidence to show that he is different that he would lay down and pay more money. But he fooled them this time...MJ said "I'm going to fight".
Name: archcookies
Comment: and if MJ will lie about his surgeries which he said he only had 2 more like 200 he'd lie about anything. he is also trying to legitimize the fact that his kids are white by saying Joseph has blue eyes, why would you lie like that, everybody knows that gorilla azz Joe Jackson does not have blue eyes. his life for the last 15 to 20 yrs has been one fantasy after another.
Name: Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: >ChakaTee, girrrrl, that is funny! And sad ... My mother says he looks like a piece of chalk. I remember back in the day when I had a crush on Michael Jackson. I cut his pictures out of "Right On" magazine and had them up on my bedroom wall. He was a beautiful young black man. Now look at him. It makes me want to cry...
Name: ChakaTee
Comment: Closet - not just one wall for me. All of my walls were covered with Michael Jackson from the Right On magazine. Arch - that was some funny shyt! gorilla-azzed Joe Jackson! Funny.
Name: renay
Comment: ChakaTee- Dr. Jan Adams!
Name: TJthemilitant
Comment: Joe's eyes are light in color. They look hazel sometimes and gray the next. Jackie and Marlon have similiar eyes. Also, speaking of Mike's kids why did he put peroxide in the boys hair to bleach it blond?....The kid is running around with black roots and severly damaged bleached blond hair!
Name: renay
Comment: ChakaTee, I think I know how you feel. I loved that fool too. I "got off the train" when he installed the booty chin. I couldn't handle the booty chin.
Name: ChakaTee
Comment: I'm sorry, I can always spot a Black person. I don't care how light they are! There is always some minor detail that gives them away. It could be the fabric of their voice. One little tiny strand of hair. An extra curve in their butt. The shape of their head or cheekbones. No matter what, you cannot fool me. Those kids do not look like they have any Negroid blood cursing through their veins. I don't care how light Joe Jackson's eyes may have been. He still has the negroid features. There's a dude on my job trying to pass. When I know that I'm going to bring in leftovers for lunch, like collard-greens or baked macaroni and cheese, I make sure that I walk pass the kitchen nearest to him so that he can get a whiff of some soul-food every now and then.
Name: archcookies
Comment: I will say this one thing I don't know of any family or artist more beloved than the Jackson family. There is no one on here that will dispute that. We hung on every song they sang "Never Can Say Goodbye" always did and always will tug at my heart. I thought MJ was the finest black man (pre-thriller days) I loved his mahogany color and just thought he had a dayum cute face. We are are faced with now is a robot, he moves like a Geisha all that foreign bowing and sybolizing. Where did all of his lovely blackness go. That should have been the first clue that something was wrong, but no we will let the "cash cow" do what he wants. Now he is the laughing stock of the world and nobody did that to him but him. For anyone to defend all of the shyt he's done to himself you have to be as crazy as he.
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: Dang, why does this have to be an issue of black people tearing other black people down. The people who keep making these comments act as if Michael did not have kids in his bed, did not have prior allegations of molestation yet still continued the exact same thing that got him in trouble in the first place AND at one tme said he would not stop. Plus Michael rarely is around any black people, doesn't have black children, has never married black (and another time that would be a major no-no) or even artifically inseminated a black women now we're supposed to feel for him as a black man in America?? Just because he is a great entertainer why is he getting a pass, no one has yet to say why. There are other great entertainers many of the same people who love Michael talk about like a dog (except FreeMsWhite who usually doesn't have negative comments about entetainers) and would not give a pass to if there was a question of inappropriate dealings with a child. How about Fifty, same evidence---persecution of a black man or the dirty dog did it? How about Puffy same evidence, How about Taye Diggs? Michael is childlike my foot, he isn't retarded, just arrogant and dependant on that image to allow him to do whatever he wants and we just smile and say he lost his childhood. And for those who feel I am hating, okay I'll be that, because right is right and inappropriate behavior is exactly that inappropriate.
Name: archcookies
Comment: >What the fukk is that "loosing your childhood mean anyway? I lost mine I had to assume adult responsibility as a child had to help keep my family together I am not parading around looking like a clown and acting like I am a twelve year old girl out on the streets for the first time. So we can't keep backing him up with that shyt. His mother knew he was troubled and all of the rest of the family did too. They were suppose to stick by him because they love him--but I think to say that this man doesn't have mental problems is to make the stupid statement Jermaine made on CNN he said: Michael is not eccentric---well he may have a point there he's not eccentric he is just pfucking crazy.
Name: renay
Comment: Do any of you remember arguing with your friends about who was cuter, MJ or Foster Sylvers?
Name: LA2ATL
Comment: Musb: what chu talkin' 'bout!!! Hell I was serious. Your post was convincing. I had you a voodoo priest with a 16 yr old wife or "wives". Quit playin. (lol) But your advice is well taken. . . My situation is so deep it's more to that than what I said, but it seems to be the "black man syndrome" and I hate to generalize like that bec it's not fair to the ones who are doing their spirit-assigned job. I feel like I'm ALWAYS having the most experience and gotta teach a brotha. . .errythang and I know I ain't the only one listening to ther women. It always starts out cool in the beginning up to and including the 1st year or so, then BAM reality check and the defects come flyin' out. . .oh damyum I'm sharing like I'm in an AA meeting. . .(I'm sorry I'm off the Mijac conversation but as I said I's tired of his issues.)
Name: JGGIRL
Comment: Did any of you closely follow the trial? Did you read the transcripts? Watch the re-enactments? Read the grand jury testimony? Because if you only relied on the media reports, you didn't get the truth. There was plenty of evidence in this trial that MJ didn't molest this boy or any other boy. None of the corrobarating witnesses put up by the prosecution were credible. They either were shown to be lying under cross examination or not rememberging correctly. Like the maid who said she saw MJ showering with Wade Robson but under cross and in her grand jury testimony that she only saw a SHADOW of ONE person - an adult. This is the same maid who was fired from Neverland for stealing, sold her story to Hard Copy and Diane Dimond for $20,000 and later after talking to the DA, had her son charge MJ with molestation because he "tickled" him. How can you believe someone like that? There was no witness in this trial other than the family that said MJ actually slept in the bed with this boy. Even he said in the Bashir Documentary that MJ slept on the floor and he slept in the bed. On Larry King last night, Messereau said that the "sleeping with little boys" phrase was coined by the prosecution to demonize MJ. He never said he sleeps with little boys, he said he "shares his bed" with children. Messereu said he shares his two story bedroom suite with families. Mothers sleep there, fathers sleep there, brothers sleep there, sisters sleep there. And there was testimony in the trial that girls slept in his bed. The boy's sister who went on the tour for the year (which by the way was TWO tours that lasted 2 or 3 months, NOT 365 days) testified that she and the WHOLE FAMILY were on the tour and slept in his room. Messereau said that MJ feels sorry for these families, takes them in, tries to help them and heal them as much as he can and they turn on him for money. He will be careful from now on as to who he trusts and lets into his life and his home. He will never put himself in this vulnerable a situation again. He said the prosecution should never have brought this case. He was never unsure of the verdict because when he first read the case he knew the family had problems. The prosecution was in such a hurry to get MJ that they didn't even check into these people's backgrounds. It was the defense that hired investigators and found out about the JC Penney case, the divorce case, the welfare fraud, the tummy tuck, the bogus claims of no insurance, the fundraisers where no money was supposedly raised. Reasonble doubt? You tell me. BTW, Messereau said if he had been MJ's attorney back in 1993, never would have let him settle. He would have fought til the bitter end. And there may even be a lawsuit coming for Sneddon for maliceous prosecution.
Name: LA2ATL
Comment: Arch: LOL Why Joe Jackson gotta be "gorilla azz?" That's was fuuuuun-nnnnnyyyy. . .
Name: ebonetyee
Comment: Nancy Grace needs to go straight to He11! JMO
Name: ShadowKnows
Comment: "He will be careful from now on as to who he trusts and lets into his life and his home. He will never put himself in this vulnerable a situation again." Well, let's certainly hope so.
Name: LA2ATL
Comment: CLoset: No I was a bigger fan of his. I would take an album cover and hold it in front of me and move it veeerrrryyy slowly from sde to side and swear his eyes were following me and that he liked-eded me. (O.K. I am NOT having a nervous breakdown and I KNOW I ain't the only dayum one that did that. . .)
Name: LA2ATL
Comment: REnay: Not the "booty chin"! you stoopid!
Name: LA2ATL
Comment: Renay: I'mma duck when I say this. . but Foster & 'nem was way later. . .I was feelin' Donnie Osmond. *duck and run*
Name: TJthemilitant
Comment: I was feelin' Ricky Sylvers(RIP) , not Foster. Foster was a tweener then. Ricky(RIP) was around Mike's age. Damn his 'fro was sweet!!!!
Name: boogie1
Comment: >JGGIRL I agree with you! Like I said before only God, Michael and Gavin know the truth! We can sit on this site all damn day & bash eachother's comments but what good is it going to do. We weren't there!
Name: LA2ATL
Comment: TJ didn'he die from AIDS. Anybody got website of pic of Ricky? They used to live around the corner from me in LA. It seemed like there was 2.5 ka-zillion of them outside and they all looked alike. . .
Name: boogie1
Comment: >renay, I forgot about the Sylvers..haaa! Jackson's, Sylvers and the Debarges had some sexy brothas!
Name: archcookies
Comment: >boogie, it's a way to pass the time, we can get our view out there for others to examine, you can tell the articles that really hit they get all of this board activity and that's what makes it fun. at he end of the day we must return to our own lives and families but for a moment we get to clash and disagree and laugh because it is a lot of fun talking with all of you all especially you Ms. Free
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: JGIRL, I have been trying to tell our lovely brothers and sisters this. But it was just too much typing and proof reading so I summed it up by stating that the 160 dockets of evidence proved nothing about MJ which is sad when you have 14 counts. They did that so somethign could stick, but chile our people would have defended MJ if it were not for his appearance and weirdness. MJ even said once that Tommy Mottola paid the DA office to investigate MJ, yea the same kat who tried to ruin Mariah career. He is the devil, he is behind a lof shyt and he does have major bank.
Name: boogie1
Comment: >Archcookies you're absolutely right..peace!
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: So it is okay to haev one surgery, but if some oen %*$! up ur nose u cant go back and have it re done to fix it,.So he should be bashed and called a cracker wanna be because his nose got fkd up. The plastic usrgery to me, is personal. Very,and if a person wants to do that I do not see anything taboo about it.
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: Thank you,........
Name: Angel
Comment: Musb - I think we are saying the same thing. I think this family was a bunch of crooks taking advantage of MJ's past allegations, BUT I'm not willing to bet $5 that MJ never any boy. I'm not saying he did. I don't know, but he is just too weird for me to have his back. Just think about it....if your child came to you and said "Dad I want to go stay at this dude's house. He looks like a white woman, lives at an amusement park and thinks he's Peter Pan. Is that ok with you?" You'd be like...WTF?!? Hell naw you can't stay. Matter of fact, I'm gon' call the Popo on this fool. LOL
Name: Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: LA2ATL- Guurrrrl, whatchu talkin' bout? I was planning me and Michael's wedding! LOL!!! Renay- I had Foster Sylvers' pictures on my other bedroom wall. Michael was cuter, but Foster had the best 'fro by far!
Name: MyThoughts
Comment: The man was tried but NOT convicted. Let him be. If he really did molest this boy (or any other) God will handle him. No matter what we may get away with in this fallen world we can not escape the wrath of The Father.
Name: Angel
Comment: Oops! I mean't "MJ never touched ANY boy"
Name: archcookies
Comment: >Free Mike is psychotic and Tommy Mottola may have tried to kept Mariah down but baby the Emancipation of Mimi is here Declaration of Independence if you like Mariah at all this album is a must her voice is clearer and more beautiful than ever. I don't put a lot of stock in the rantings of crazy people (MJ) then he enlist the help of that fool Al Sharpton, now if you really want to look illegitimate call either Al or Jesse to speak in your behalf and you will be the laughing stock of most of Amerikka.
Name: archcookies
Comment: >Free his surgeries are his business. but just like anything else if it's strange we are going to talk about it (1st Amendment) but when you start lying and say you only had one or two surgeries when in fact you have had almost one hundred that's when people start laughing at you. Factoid: Did you know that when they were making the Jackson Story for TV, Micheal actually wanted them to cast a young white boy as himself when he was growing up now if that isnt' a disconnection with reality I don't know what is that is why I keep stressing put the child in the hospital. He already has illusion of grandeur and a host of other mental ailments.
Name: archcookies
Comment: Got to Jet Peace to all on the board. Love ya
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: You are really tripping, I do not know anything about him wanting to cast a white boy to play himself, that is HILARIOUS. where did you hear that , i am going to have to remember to ask you that tomorrow or when ever you come back. Someone please remind me to ask Arch where the hell she get that from and It needs to be researched, cause that is hilarious.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: ANGEL YOU NAILED IT...MJ is too weird for ne1 to believe that he's innocent. Come on now, isn't that what this is about his weirdness. Can't we agree that what makes him weird also makes him seem guilty. Then again maybe we won't agree on that. Also, people keep talking about this him wanting to be yt thing but is that really what it is? I think he didn't want to be MJ, he was unhappy w/the way he looked. From a rational point of view, why can't THAT be the reason he looks like a caricature. Is there ne1 else in the WORLD who has disfigured their faces as MJ has. Y does he have to want to be yt. How many of ya'll posting in here got or has had weave in your hair? Are/were you tryin to be yt? LA...if you keep meeting these type of men, then do some soul searching so that it won't happen again. At some point, it's on you. The next time you meet a brotha who exhibits these "unattractive qualities" be like forest and RUNNNNNNNNNNNN
Name: Angel
Comment: Musb - I thought the same thing about MJ too. I thought he just wanted to look like Peter Pan UNTIL he started dying his baby's hair blond. How do you explain that one?
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: HE dyed their hair blonde so that the media could not recognize them when they were away from him.
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: I will say this for the 2nd time, until you have experienced a random mofo in your bushes on your property snapping pic's trying to get that Money shot following you around every where, exploiting your family and friends, you cant began to understand how any celebrity feels about protecting their child. It is rumored that Janet has a 18 year old daughter from renee that she does not want the public to know about and I dont blame her,...they willeat her alive
Name: Jackson
Comment: what does this mean for R. Kelly? " R. Kelly, calling Mr. R. Kelly to the courtroom" and what is public opinion of him???
Name: Angel
Comment: MsFree - What's the point of dying their hair blond to hide them then turn around and show the kids with the blonde hair?!? Come on now! You are really reaching today. Do you really think that MJ is normal or are you just trying to keep the discussion interesting?!?
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Angel I have no explanation for the son thing..I didn't even know it was true. MJ lives in a world that we can't understand. I try not to..lol. Have u seen ne sistas w/blond/auburn/red streaks in their hair? What's their excuse.
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: Ya'll please log on to this site if you have speakers and listen to these comedy remixes it is so freaking hilarious,...http://www.ryanavery.com/musick/
Name: JGGIRL
Comment: Free, there are all kinds of rumors out there about Sony wanting their hands on that Beatles catalogue. They own 50% and MJ owns the other. So I would not be surprised if they are in bed with Tom Sneddon. As for MJ's skin color, I have two friends who have vitiligo. It is a slow process of the skin losing it's pigment. It's a horrible looking disease when it gets into your face. I believe that Michael did something to speed up the process since he is in the entertainment field. One of my friends has become a recluse because of the way she looks.
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: Uh uh baby, Im just repeating what he said. He said he dyes there hair so that themedia can never know who they really are, tha tis what he said hey,. jazz hands,.,...
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: JGIRL, that is sad, imagine if she was the most famous person in the world who happened to have had a nose job and chin job,...sad...
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: Musbedherbs,. OKAY, tell it,. beyonce made all these whoes go blonde,..LOL,..If you work around white people or have white friends lik eme, I know a lot of white people because it is req'd. Their defense to getting tans is that "Blacks have there thing staying in the salon all day and we have ours so dont fuss". I heard this white chik say that to another black chick. I turned around like,. oooh.
Name: Angel
Comment: Musb - Some things are just not appropriate at that age. Dyeing can be painful, especially bleaching. Why would anyone put a child through that. Adults do a lot of things that sound ridiculous for a child to do. Next he'll have them bungie jumping at 5, tattoos at 6 and permanent eye makeup at 7.
Name: ShadowKnows
Comment: Angel, you're cracking me up!
Name: Gemami
Comment: To FreeMsWhite -- if Mike dyed his children hair blond did he have their skin bleached as well or do they suffer from his same disease. Sweetie, you made some excellent points -- but don't be totally blind in your adoration for Mike (shaking my head).
Name: ChakaTee
Comment: Musb, I have a weave in my hair and I damn sure don't wanna be no YT. Let's understand something here. People wear weaves for all different reasons. Because of a bad perm and medication that I took, one of the side effects were hair loss. I have bald spots in various parts of my head and I damn sure aint walking outside looking like that. I use the hair attachments to fill in the blanks, but that's just about it. And if you saw me, you wouldn't even know I had a weave.
Name: Secret
Comment: Mike has married two white women, he has three white children, he's white. That’s why people think he wants to be white. Come on stop making excuses for Mike. What makes him so special? Just wondering MSFREE why is it alright to TRASH 50 and call him an Ape (he’s black) but it’s wrong to talk about MJ. Please realize that you are being hypocrite right now. You trash 50 on a regular basis but now you’re perplexed about blacks not sticking together and supporting MJ.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: ANGEL...now I didn't say that it was right now. Heck I don't even think that lil boys should have their ears pierced, but their parents do. AGAIN, I don't think then ne1 can explain MJ's behavior..even himself. He's in a lost world. CHAKA...I don't think it's nething wrong w/doing ne type of modifications w/ur body as long as it for reasons that you can live w/. That's how I look at it. My point earlier was that people keep talking about how mj wants to be yt so I asked whether wearing weave makes someone want to be yt. You know how people say stuff like that. Kinda like women wearing colored contacts...why? I think it has more to do w/being unhappy w/self. ANGEL..he'll probably have the lil boy wearing "floods" and sequined socks too....
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: Secret< Girl no u did not comapre MJ to Curtis Jackson,. oooh they both last name is Jackson. Girl, I am mad at you for that even with the eccentric behavior and plastic surgery girl please, not 50 cent, dam say elvis, somebody. Did anyone log on to that site, I listed if so please let me know so I can laugh with you.
Name: Secret
Comment: Come on MSFree, I'm mad at you for defending this fool like you have been doing. I understand you like him in all but damn!!! Everybody is not lying on Mike.
Name: JGGIRL
Comment: Secret, who do you think is not lying?
Name: Secret
Comment: The first boy who made accusations against MJ.
Name: Secret
Comment: JGGirl, Oh I didn't realize I was talking to a FAN-atic. I won't waste my time chile you already wrote a dissertation on the subject at hand so there is no point discussing this with you. This is my opinion and I’m quite sure you don't agree with it, so end of discussion. I'm not changing how I feel and I'm not going to waste time trying to change how you feel.
Name: sultry
Comment: ShadowKnows- the answer is Yes and I will go too if i am invited and so will the rest of you all if you be honest with yourselves.
Name: Secret
Comment: Sure the people on the panel might go but the question was "would you let your child go"? HELL NO
Name: Angel
Comment: Umm sultry. Folks might go, BUT anyone that leaves there kids there alone needs their head examined.
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: Secret, its not about being a fanatic or takign up for him. You just dont know what it is to have a lot of money and everyone wants it. Yes he is weird, yes he gae $20 to settle a case, that TO me does not make him guilty. I say to these crackers PROVE IT. That's just how I feel, this is america. Not the old america where they accused us of somethign then hung us no trial or jury. I say prove it godamnit, and HELL naww noen of my childrena re going to MJ house, FOR WHAT,.. they have been to disney worlds and all three of the six flags form Cali, TX, GA so WHY, NO,..
Name: Angel
Comment: FreeMswhite - I think most people are not sure whether he is guilty or not, BUT I am sure that he is placing himself in situations to be taken advantage of over and over again. How many times do you have to be accused of something before you say "Maybe having kids in my bedroom is not a good idea". I just have a hard time having MJ's back because he seems to lack common sense. Hopefully, this case has truly opened up his eyes and the sleepovers will be shut down for good.
Name: alexillytom
Comment: Secret - Even if my kids hadn't already been to Disney, Six Flags, and numerous amusement parks at the shore, there is no way on God's great earth that I would allow my kids to go anywhere near Neverland, let alone spend the night there, with or without me. To me it's just like that family member your parents would never allow you to be left alone in a room with or to sit on his lap. You just know something bad might happen.
Name: Secret
Comment: MsFree I'm a mother of one child I take my responsibility very serious. Some mom's have it others don't (Intuition) mine tells me MJ is not to be trusted around children. I don't need proof of that I just go with my gut instinct. My child only gets one life I'm not willing to take a chance with it waiting for someone else to prove something I already know.
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: Well, if you think about it. It has only happened once. Three strikes he out, I feel you on that. But we also dont know the circumstances. Just like in this case. The jurors said that the whole case and the timeline of the events seemed planned. BUT, back to your point and everyone elses. He should not have the kids around him to even be in that perdicament. So I feel ya'l,but then again, look who he is. His whole alma mater was to rejoice all the human kind, all the children, black or white. If he swayed from that it would make him a hypocrite. But I understand, it is a delicate situation and we should take it easy on Mike for real.
Name: FreeMswhite
Comment: Oh secret,.. Im wit u on that BELIEVE IT, mine aitn going either. I just think we shoule be a little easier on Mike considering his circumstances and obstacles.
Name: Secret
Comment: @alexillytom thank you. That is exactly my point.
Name: Angel
Comment: And another thing, yeah folks should have to prove it, but look at the toll it took on him and his family to be found not guilty?!? That's not healthy either. He needs to just avoid some things-period.
Name: Secret
Comment: MSFRee Mike has had an easy life if you ask me. Everything that has happen to Mike, he brought on himself. I don't feel sorry for Mike I feel sorry that it had to come to this.
Name: JGGIRL
Comment: Not trying to change your mind Secret. I'm not a MJ fanatic. I just got interested in the trial and really followed it closely and did a lot of research on the 1993 cases. I just think it's all about money and I hate to see anybody get over on someone else regardless of color or weirdness.
Name: mickipoo
Comment: People, people . . . stop the madness. In our legal system a verdict of "not guilty" or being acquitted of a charge does not equal "innocent." The state was just unable to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that those charges occurred. Just 'cause they couldn't prove it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Hopefully the outcome of this whole ordeal will be that Michael gets the therapy he needs to deal with his demons. God bless him in that endeavor.
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: Sultry, being honest with myself---Hecky no Michael is talented but he's pretty freaking weird, neither me or any children I knew would ever go to Michael Jackson's house, near his house, in his neighborhood or heck even around his friends. For what?? An amusement park? (there are other amusement parks, Heck Six Flaggs is only 45 minutes away and it's bigger) To meet Michael (everyone I know has friends and no child needs a 46 year old new friend) A conversation---Uh-UH! Michael is fine where he his in my life on television, in videos and on records---he's safer that way LOL!
Name: ShadowKnows
Comment: Sultry, I hope you're not a parent. If you are, I will keep the safety of your children in my prayers.
Name: sultry
Comment: ShadowKnows- For your information I am a parent and for the record my children nor myself need you to keep us in your prayer. You need to pray for your own damn self. I do not need nor want your prayers or anything for that matter.
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