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Tenacious
Comment: Ummm...Hopefully the performance will not be a "total" embarrassment...but considering I recently saw Three 6 Mafia on Jimmy Kimmel looking and sounding a H.A.M. ..........*I'm not holding my breath*
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: Lets face it. No matter how much we might say "it doesnt matter" how white people perceive us, realistically it does matter to us, at least sometimes. And this here is an embarrasment. Blacks dont often get to take center stage at the Oscar awards that often... but here we'll have a bunch of nigras on stage singing about b*tches and how its "hard out there for a pimp". That's just so wrong on so many levels, I cant help but laugh, althought, of course, it's not funny at all. If Dr. King was still with us, and could sit in the front row watching that performance, he'd be mortified. Is this what he and the other civil rights icons marched and fought for? We really dont need White Amerikkka to portray us as uncultured, ignorant nig-gahs any more. We have Three-6 Mafia and many other hip-hop "stars" who do a good job already. Thanks, guys! Love ya.
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OneShot
Comment: Doctor Smoove: I have to agree with you. While I am able to see the meaning behind the movie, I just do NOT think that song should have been nominated for an Oscar.
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Quietstorm
Comment: It's not about how white people perceive us. I have a son and I don't want him seeing that crap. To me, it's more about how we see ourselves and how we can protect our own image.
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Kaylasmama
Comment: Hey i havent even seen the movie.LOL. I saw clips of the movie and i knew i didnt want to see it. White people think what they want about us anyway. i do however agree with the Dr. I dont want to be betrayed as ignorant and ghetto.
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Monicia
Comment: Also, I agree with Drsmoth, and Quiet. Why this song was nominated is beyond me. It matters not that the lyrics were changed, as I am sure the Academy has heard the original.Just think for one moment. Are there any shows on TV, or any Movies currently running that invloves issue's currently surrounding our community? Madea is a wonderful film, but as long as white folk can get a laugh out of the black community, hell, they'll pay. SMH@ Hollywood loving the "Jigaboo" factor.
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Has anybody actually heard the lyrics to the song? They fit the movie and they are actually kind of sad. As far as profanity is concerned, that's how people in America talk. Half the time people won't even go see a movie unless it's R rated so I'm not sure why people are acting so sensitive. As far as kids are concerned, how many children are really watching the Oscars? In fact, how many adults are watching the Oscars?
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MistaO
Comment: I have to second comments made by Quietstorm. What other groups think about us matters very little (especially since they tend to believe the negative v. reality anyways). I'm just extremely thankful that Will Smith and other conscious Blacks jumped in on this one. We need more of this, efforts to control how we are depicted in the media and this needs to transcend this one award show. The same needs to happen when these folks are offered movie or tv roles where our depiction is less than honorable.
Big up's to the few conscious Black folk in hollywood.
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ericsgirl
Comment: I am surprised Bill Cosby have not came out and said anything about this.
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Renetta
Comment: I'm old school ok. When I was coming up black men knew how to romance women with songs - NOT call us bytches and hos and talk about how hard it is to PIMP US. This whole thing sickens me - the fact that some GARBAGE song like that is played ANYWHERE sickens me as a black woman. I don't listen to radio stations that play that kind of garbage.
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McNasty
Comment: I would still like a logical answer as to why black actors continue to be nominated for roles like this and halle in monsters ball and denzel in training day! It's not the only thing we do but it's when we are playing our lowest selves that hollywierd wants to give us recognition. That should pizz you off just as much. The fact is they are going to get a birds eye view of what has drawn their kids in too!
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bigchassie
Comment: what i want to know is what happened to the songwriters for these movies? ok, now we got black actors being nominated for movies, it's time for the songwriters to step up to the game and come with some nice music. because who in de heyel gonna be going around singing "It's so hard to be a pimp?" big ups to Sidney, Denzel, and Will Smith. the main statment from them is hey, we can come better than this. the acdemy has recongized we have talent in acting now we can represent in pulling out music for the moives we represent. it's been done before. Issac Hays for "Shaft" and Prince for "Purple Rain" so it's been done before.
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Winn30344
Comment: So when Hattie McDaniel won an oscar for saying "I don't know nothin' about birthin' no babies Ms. Scarlett" were Black folks embarassed? This is just another form of censorship.
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beboyz
Comment: Boomqueesha kiss my grits. I still dont believe this song is nominated. I'm a 3 6 Mafia fan but why this song of all songs. The academy is so conservative and I keep thinking this is a joke to mock us.
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Vanity
Comment: So... no one has a problem that the info supposedly came from Eva Longoria's over exposed azz. I wish she would disappear.
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Platinum
Comment: Exactly where do “we” draw the line when it comes to images? We shouldn’t be concern about it only on Oscar night. If what’s being reported is true that Denzel, Will Smith and others are concerned how the black community will be represented, then they need to start with some of the movie roles they have accepted in the past. Will Smith has publicly criticize other rappers who curses and glorify violence in their music yet Will Smith curses, shoots and kills in his some of his movies. I don’t take the Oscars seriously and they don’t take us seriously. The night Halle Berry and Denzel Washington won for best actress and actor was proof of that.
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ChakaTee
Comment: >>Win30344, I believe that was the actress "Butterfly McQueen" who said that line in Gone With The Wind, not Hattie McDaniels.
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MrsJBC
Comment: ChakaTee - you are correct. BTW when did Eva Longoria become the official spokesperson for what was discussed between Black folks?
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SpelmanRho
Comment: >MrsJBC: I was thinking the same thing ! How does Eva Longoria know ?
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yunvme
Comment: Hmmm.... Is there much of a difference between a "Pimp", a "Hoe" and "Darling Nicki"? I havent heard this song, but I already feel uncomfortable thinking about this Academy Award performance. Is this song the new milleniums "Shaft"? Those that have heard it, what do you think?
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oldschoolbrother
Comment: I rented the movie because my kids wanted to see it, screened it, and we all watched the movie together. It was brutal watching some of the scenes and the song was not something I would purchase. Having said that, why it was even nominated is beyond me. The character itself is a typical one that is up for a Oscar, several white women have won playing prostitutes or drug addicts. Nicholas Cage won for being a drunk. Now, in my opinion I would like to see (and this is 2006) a brother play the Michael Douglas and Harrison Ford roles (CEO type, banker, top lawyer or physician, family, nice home, etc.) and a sister get roles in the same vein. With the current technology available, it can be done. Look at what Tyler Perry did. It would take someone with energy and time to make it happen. We should not have to rely on Hollyweird to shove these images down our throats. I wish the brother well on Oscar day but this song is a disgrace and it is a coon moment for real.
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McNasty
Comment: Vanity you're not alone I wished her gone at the same moment she came on stage in that bathing suit! I totally glossed over the reporter on this one.
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TJthemilitant
Comment: To me, the performance is a mute point...Neither the song or Terrance has a snowflakes chance in he11 of winning..Those gay azz cowboyz got the joint on lock..as well as that rock and roll incestous movie with the funny faced white chick that was on Oprah the other day....And oh yeah, I ain't believing sh*t some skinny %*$ white chick is saying..Until Denzel and Will and 'em call me themselves....
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Winn30344
Comment: Thanks for the correction but the point was made.
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Thunny
Comment: Reghardless of what the song is, I think it's great that Crunchy Black will have a chance to perform at the Oscars.
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Bertie
Comment: I don't believe Eva--Will Smith has been fully supporting Terrance's Oscar bid. If he wasn't embarrased by the film why would he be embarrassed by the song? And sadly what white folks thing does impact us on some level because white folks have a level of control over many of us--whether its a white boss or a white banker (if you're an entrepenuer) or a white Prez sending your azz to Iraq. To a certain extent how we portray overselves is important--if you see someone who has no respect for themselves-its hard to respect them. To me singing this song is like showing the world you have no respect for our women or ourselves.
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giantsfan
Comment: when will blacks be allowed to have true artistic expression??? everyone doesn't want to be activists. why do we handcuff those that don't? Plus, who gets to decide what is positive or negative? When were they elected? I think I missed my chance to vote.........
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Thunny
Comment: Giants fan, black people have long been portrayed as pimps. Pimps live off of other people and put them in compromising situations and then pocket all the income generated from those situations. Now, wouldn't you call that negative? Do we really need someone regardless of race to tell us that is negative? I found the movie to be entertaining, since that's what movies are supposed to do, but I didn't find it to be a very flattering portrayal of black folks. It's not about being an activist, it's about being tired of the same old images of black folks presented to large audiences. Back in the day (and still now to some extent) white folks only "allowed" Black folks to be idiots on TV and in the movies. Now that we have some semblance of control in some aspects, decades later we have only taken baby steps in rectifying that situation. Think about it -- the Black movies that I can think of this year involve pimps, prostitutes, black men dressing up as women and acting stereotypically. Then we have movies like Soul Plane. I mean, would you consider these types of movies "true artistic expression"? This is one main reason why I rarely go to the movies anymore.
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iamda1
Comment: I agree with giantsfan, everything is not positive... and that will NEVER happen. There is a balance in everything. There are pimps and hoes in this world. There were back in biblical times so what makes people think it would suddenly end now. The movie was about person's story, this person happened to be a pimp. There are movies such as Coach Carter, Lean on Me etc... that tell a different story about a different type of black man. This wasn't a biography or a documentary... it was FICTION. A movie made to "entertain" not educate. Instead of being up in arms about how we are projected in a "movie" maybe people should be using this energy to attack the media that reports what is supposed to be FACTS and only depicts us in a negative light. It's a song... that's it. The temptations sang about their dad being a "player". Me and Mrs. Jones was about adultery. Music is about what the writer/singer decides to write about. The movie was about the life of a pimp, so the song is about how hard the life of a pimp is. The movie didn't even glorify pimping... it showed the less glamorous side of it. Lastly, there is a pimp constume party that wealthy white people attend every year. White people are not up in arms about that. They didn't care how the Beverly Hillbillies depicted "them" to the world. Balance people... everything isn't positive, hand holding and marching. If they did a REAL movie on Dr. King there'd be some negative aspects in that movie as well that wouldn't be fiction.
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giantsfan
Comment: thunny- art isn't supposed to make you feel comfortable or bring you some thing you haven't seen before. its supposed to be an expression of what the artist feels. it 3 six mafia feels that way, fine. I'm tired of hearing r&b artists talk about love 24/7, but that is their feelings and ideas and I defend their right to express them. we move down a dangerous road when we start to censor things.
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Gurlfrand
Comment: me too, Thunny. I rarely go to the movies anymore - it's all crap. I went to see a movie recently and left after 30 minutes and got my money back. The movies that have been produced over the past 10 years are trash. You may find a few good ones in there, but they are far and very few.
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Debonair
Comment: If certain types of people want to think of us in a certain way, then let 'em...if you know anything about the Art of War or chess, you have to think in terms of strategy.While they expect you to be or react in one manner do the unexpected.Ultimately, you can only be accountable for you. I do feel sorry for those within our race who succumb to the negative images that others try to enforce on us...For the disenfrancised, uninformed,oever materialistic types who'll disrespect the other gender of our race and kiss up to others b/c they are different from us are the ones who hold us back more than anything...not a movie about a pimp.The forces who made that movie and force that image on us are the real pimps.The group that made that song and are going to perform it is the pimped...b/c they can do something other than that and provide a different message.
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lionqueen0728
Comment: he still is nominated for portraying a pimp?? didnt Hallie win for being naked and Denzel for being crooked ???
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MelodyCool
Comment: I have no idea why that song was nominated either. It's not like it's even something catchy...just some dumb lyrics.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: What can I say. The Oscar Awards is supposed to be the epitome of class and style... and in the middle of all that we'll have a bunch of nig-gaz hollering "Whoop that trick!! Whoop that trick!!" Yeah, that's classy. Fits right in with the program. Boy, I'm really looking forward to seeing this. (not!)
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karamelky
Comment: HOW CAN YOU ACCEPT THE B WORD BUT NOT THE N,F, OR S? WHERE IS THE JUSTIFICATION PERIOD. AND HOW ARE YOU TELL THAT MAN HE CAN'T SING IT AT THE AWARDS WHEN HE IS ACCEPTING AN AWARD FOR SINGING IT ON SCREEN IN FRONT OF MORE VIEWERS THAN THE ACADEMY SHOW WILL SEE? IT'S ALL MALARCKEY.
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onyxeyes
Comment: The issue is not whether everything should be positive because that's not reality. It's the lack of balance in black films that's the problem. Most of our films and roles tend to fall too much in the negative images. White people have a wider range of images from silly movies, to comedies, dramas, historical, romances, spy thillers, etc. We don't. But a lot of this is our fault, when someone does something different we don't always support like we should.
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Harriet
Comment: What the fock does Eva Longoria have to do with this? Does she think that because Tony is dycking her and Jamie Foxx is swooning over her in videos that she now gets to speak on Black issues? Isn't there a Latina issue somewhere for her to address?
So, they won't be able to say nicca's but they can say byatches? What the fock?! This is appalling! I have asked this question three times here and I never get an answer but will someone please explain to me what is "hard" out here on a pimp?
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SilentJay
Comment: Thank U onexyes that's what needs to said about this issue. Balance, if there more positive images of black men and women in movies and television to balance out the negative ones, H&F wouldn't be such a big issue. Whites have all kinds of images of them in the media so the negative ones don't stand out as much.
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Thunny
Comment: Of course you can't let other people's opinions limit you, but when you go to a job interview and the prospective employer already has preconceived notions because of negative imagery of us (Black folks) produced by us, isn't it up to us to try to combat those negative images with positive ones? I'm sorry to break this to some of you but white folks run this world, and many of them have those preconceived negative notions about us. They're not going to make any effort to change their minds on their own. So regardless if pimps and hoes really do exist, why give the public yet another dose of negative imagery at the expense of telling a story that is not new? Hollywood turns out scores of movies annually that paint white folks in the purest of all lights. Then you look at Black Hollywood and we put out movies like Big Mama's House that perpetuate negative stereotypes while presenting it in a comedic fashion, allowing other cultures to laugh at our culture. F*ck going to the movies, I'll stick with HBO original programming. Those are some white boys in charge of HBO but at least they bring parity to the types of movies they produce.
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TMan
Comment: NO COMMENT! LOL! IT WOULD TAKE TOO LONG AND TOO MUCH SPACE! LOL! All I can say is 3 things - Duh! and Thank God! LOL!
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asize12
Comment: First of all, why the hell would be so 'embarrassed' to be a pimp on the Oscars? He was one in the movie! His a*ss wasn't embarrassed to be a pimp in the movie and he sho nuf AIN'T embarrassed to accept an award for playing a pimp!
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TesticAl
Comment: Why that song. It would have been MUCH BETTER if he "WHOOP THAT TRICK".
Come on guys. WHOOP THAT TRICK! WHOOP THAT TRICK! WHOOP THAT TRICK! *Does that arm thing*
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Debonair
Comment: LionQueen touched on what i'm referring to....who is the pimp?Hallie being naked, Denzel being crooked, Terrance being a pimp(ed)...If our most respected representatives are doing these movies, then what does that say?And keep in mind, they, as performers are SUPPOSED to challenge their abilities...As an actress or an actoer the goal is to portray different characters within different scenerios..But the system that recognizes them in the most negative context and gives them their most prestigious awards under those conditions is the pimp.If i was a script writer with a good story and i presented that story to Hollywood and all of my characters are Asiatic,then of course the characters would be changed along with the story to make it more mainstream(in other words profitable).Or if i am allowed to keep the story or charcters then my budget would be low and the production terrible(the first Trois is a good example of this...the movie was good but the production horrible).What is sad is that the Oprahs,Will Smiths and Bill Cosbys could contribute more to changing this but don't seemed to be interested.I know Op did her Beloved project and it didn't pan out but still...
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Harriet
Comment: Okay, since no one else knows I am left to my own devices in answering "what is hard out here on a pimp." Maybe it is hard "WHOOPING THAT TRICK." Or, maybe it is hard "slapping that byatch." And just maybe, it is hard "controlling your ho's." Remember Snoops song "Ya Gots to Control Your Ho's?" I am sure that is hard. Perhaps it is hard carrying a pimp cup around all day. Even better, maybe it is hard getting your hair bumped and your ear burned. I know! When time comes for the Pimp Ball, it is difficult to figure out which one of your white ho's you're taking! What in the fock is supposed to be so hard out here for a pimp? Has anyone seen the Atlantic City prostitutes on HBO? I would venture to say that it is much harder being a whore than a pimp, but you don't see women running around here singing about "it's hard out here on a whore!" They realize that thier decision to prostitute is a personal one and they aren't out there trying to garner sympathy for sucking dyck in alley's. The pimps, on the other hand ain't sucking no dyck, but getting half the bread talking about it's hard! One whore in the HBO special said that she moved from somewhere to Atlantic City to whore because wherever there is gambling there is money and whoring and these women don't need no pimps as long as they can work the casinos. One whore said she ain't giving half of her money to no pimp if he ain't sucking half of that dyck and I know dhat's right!
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MrsJBC
Comment: LMAO @ Harriet! I completely agree and asked the same question in my earlier post. As far as your last question... I am thinking that perhaps it's very stressful to not know if your bills will be paid each day/month since that depends on some hooka's cooch. LOL. Personally that would stress ME out!
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: As far as Eva Longoria is concerned, right is right and wrong is wrong. So I dont have an issue with her speaking on this issue. Lets not forget it was a private conversation;it's not like she was addressing the NAACP on this. She's entitled to her opinion and to express herself on it, no matter what her race. And to me, she's on the right side of this issue, so I'm cool with it.
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goodwitch
Comment: Eva Longoria!!??? I'm with everyone that asked this question. Before I can even comment on the song or Terrence, I need to know what does SHE have to do with it? Did she just change her race cause she with a brother in the NBA?? We have enough spokes people, honestly we don't need her two cents.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: Is anyone else here bothered by the fact that this movie was written and directed by a white man? When he chose to write a movie about black life, he didnt come up write about a well adjusted black family, or even a black family/black characters that has its fair share of drama or whatever No. That stuff doesn't sell in Hollywood. Instead, this cracker scrapes the bottom of the barrel and drags out that same stereotypical junk that glorifies ghetto culture. And of course (white) hollywood eats it all up. So, some people on this board are offended that Eva Longoria (a non-black) was concerned about how the song might reflect on black people... but they're not bothered by the fact that its a white man who put out this garbage in the first place??
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DCGG
Comment: I totally disagree - I think Terrence Howard should get up there and sang the song exactly as he did in the movie - how is it an embarrasment to sing at the Oscars but not an embarrasment on the big screen and why isn't Will Smith and Sidney Poiter telling 3 6 mafia not to perform the song - is it not an embarrasment just the same?
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MER82
Comment: That's exactly why the whole subject doesn't make sense-he is nominated for portraying a pimp on film-what difference does it then make to perform a pimp song on stage? Furthermore why would he be the one singing the song when he doesn't sing on the soundtrack (unless he does?)
This subject is played out-NEXT.
Black folk do movies like "Something New" and get slammed, they do "Madea Family Reunion" and get slammed, they do serious dramas like "Beloved" or a movie like the one Denzel directed about the Black soldier and no one supports them-WTF? N@#!@s ain't neva satisfied. Demand more with your dollar, money talks, not silent protesting behind the computer boards.
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giantsfan
Comment: I just can't imagine Al Pacino, Bruce Willis, and Tom Cruise going up to Paul Wall and saying, " You shouldn't perform at the soul train awards, you'll make us all look bad!" LOL!
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blackman
Comment: >Doc....I am more bothered by the fact that this movie was financed and produced by a black man. (John Singleton)
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thinker
Comment: Thus another reason why all this dayum race mixing debauchery is trouble for society. The whole mess. From Longoria opening her %*$!(-loving fat azz (non-Black) mouth to Howard with his sorry azz showing up EVERYWHERE with a Becky on his arm. The whole dayum city is Sodom and Gomorrah! Where are the B-L-A-C-K folk? You know, those of us with 4 Black grandparents?
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Harriet
Comment: DoctorSmooth- That is not true. This movie has been reported on many times and many of us have expressed our disdain at a white man writing a pimp movie. I remember when John Singleton and Michael Eric Dyson were crying and riding the dyck of the movie. We have already talked about this. But now this is the first time I have been made aware that Eva Longoria has anything to say about it. Eva wasn't in the movie and she isn't Black so she ain't got a dayumned thing to say about it private or not.
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thinker
Comment: Singleton sold his soul to the devil to make a film-finally. He hadn't made a film in a long time and apparently fot desperate.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: Harriet, we might have to agree to disagree on this one. My larger point is that Eva Longoria is just a bit player in this whole thing. The larger issue is that too many movies which negatively portray blacks are written by white people. In that sense, white hollywood pimps black america by getting rich off us while perpetuating the same ghetto stereotypes of us. That to me is more important than what Eva Longoria has to say, public or private.
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oldsoulindaSouth
Comment: I just saw the movie the other nite. It was par but Howard's performance definitely took talent to pull it off. Was it so-called "Oscar" material? In my mind, no. But, let's remember folk, everything first starts with a plan. Then to carry out the plan on a consistent basis you need a system. We all know why Howard is nominated for his portrayal - be honest - because he portrayed a character that was more negative than positive. Now, there was positivity sprinkled here and there but it was so subtle that it wouldn't even register with most. The Oscar's is their sh*t, their system and will not change until the minds that created the system (behind the scenes) change and guess what, it won't happen. The system WILL be destroyed but never changed. I'm glad for 3-6 because they'll probably sell more records but let's face it, it won't help our cause which should be unity, economic maturity and most of all self-respect. Harriet, I wanna answer question about it being hard on a pimp...
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MzTee
Comment: ======giantsfan, iamda1 and MER82. I agree with you guys 100%. Onyxeyes also makes a good point about the responsibility being ours and how we've undermined ourselves -- If folks are going to go out and watch H&F, SoulPlane, etc., go on out and support the so-called good or positive movies, which will then lead to better balance. Most of us are too concerned about how white folks perceive us...FCUK that. They are going to think whatever the hell they want about us no matter how many positive images we promote. Those YTs who are bigoted/racist/prejudiced are still are going to think this way. Hell, look at how up in arms YT was over Randall Pinkett winning The Apprentice. Dr. Pinkett is the poster child of what a positive and successful black person is and they crucified him when he didn't 'choose' to hire his lilly white competition and rightfully declared there is only one Apprentice. And let's not forget about the taped conversations that occured at the Texaco Board of Directors meeting. Point being, no matter how talented, educated, or successful we are/become some white folks think we're N****s plain and simple. So we need to get over it real quick and keep it moving.
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Michele
Comment: LOL@ TJthaMilitant. I'm not sweating the performance of that song. With all of the embarassing and irritating songs and videos plastered all over MTV and BET, this is nothing new to anyone. I'll bet the 3-6 come rolling out with the full grillz and pants hanging to their knees too. Oh well. I'm sure all of those 'macho' white cowboys out there are not exactly thrilled with Brokeback Mountain either.
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Harriet
Comment: DoctorSmooth- Eva Longoria is unimportant PERIOD which is why she should just shut the fock up. There aren't many people on this board who haven't paid to go and see this movie. The biggest form of protest is to pull away your dollars. These kinds of movies will always be popular because they have an audience. There are a lot of people who don't think I should have an input at all because I didn't pay to go and see the movie and have not seen it. My brother has it on DVD and after fifteen minutes I couldn't take any more. I mean, after you've seen one pimp movie you've seen them all. Someone said that they viewed this with their children. That is a shame.
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thinker
Comment: Winn30344 > FYI Butterfly McQueen said "I don't know nothin' 'bout burthing no babies", in Gone With the Wind, not Hattie McDaniel.
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khufu
Comment: Winn30344 Comment: Interesting and valid comment...however, at some point we have got to ask ourselves, regardless of HISTORICAL PRECEDENCE what actions are degrading and what actions are empowering? Just becuase I caan say whatever I want to SHOULD I? Well, if I place my own indiviudal rights over the best interests of the community--then yes. But that makes me individualistic and selfish---such qualities are antithesis to my AFricaness, my consciousness, my aspirations for Black people......such selfishness is antithesis to what is best and natural for AFrican peoples
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Harriet
Comment: Can no one tell me what is so hard out here on a pimp or am I just being ignored? Is that not a relevant question or something to actually want to know what is so hard on a pimp? I guess it is hard to find those fuzzy dice to hang in your car.
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Angel
Comment: Harriet - Broke pimps have some of the same issues as other businesses. His car was broke down and he wore a press and curl(image issues), one of his tricks was pregnant, so his money was short (payroll issues). One trick kept cussing him out because he wouldn't watch her baby while she was trickin (childcare/benefits). There was never a steady flow of customers because errybody else was broke in his area (marketing to wrong demographic). So.....it's hard out there for a broke azz Memphis pimp.LOL
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khufu
Comment: TO: McNasty Comment: I would still like a logical answer..
Wen I was in film school, I read in a book on the history of Hollywood , dont remember which....in the book one of the studio founders (Jewish) said: "BLacks will only be portrayed as servants, butlers and maids..."
the white cultural supremacy and racism are ingrained in the Hollywood culture...
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clydeb11
Comment: best actor award for his role as djay? hollywood is the most racist industry in america.
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khufu
Comment: rIGHT ON pLATINUM!!!!! You said:
Exactly where do “we” draw the line when it comes to images
That's right....Denzel should not have done training day...see, WE.."WE" need to take one position and old it..how can Denzel say that about him when he won an oscar for TRAINING DAY which was a good film...however, we need some "Black Characters in Hollywood Films" poliice apparently to enforce one consistent criteria....was a rouge cop okay but not a rappin' pimp?
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SpelmanRho
Comment: LOL @ Angel !
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Name:
khufu
Comment: TO OLDSCHOOLBROTHER..first I must commend you that you watched it together with your children.....admirable..next...question: you applauded Tyler Perry...is his stuff really that different that the exploitative pimp image?
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Harriet
Comment: Angel- thank you girl!
khugu, I humbly inquire what is admirable about watching a film about pimping with your children?
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Name:
Harriet
Comment: I am sorry. I meant "khufu."
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Name:
oldsoulindaSouth
Comment: Harriet> Angel (how you doin', Angel?) beat me to it and couldn't have said it better - the song was for DJay. At the same time...anyway, yeah, that's what's up.
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Vee8babe
Comment: Don't get it twisted folks. As someone who has worked publicity on Oscar campaigns for films, I know that the guild that nominated the song, which deals with songwriters and composers for film thought they were being liberal and hip and appreicating the artistic factor. But trust me, this will be such a night of embarassment on so many damn levels. The Oscars is televised around the world to an audience in the billions. People already have impressions of us from music videos and the like and now Three Six Mafia is putting the final nail in the coffin by taking center stage at an international broadcast singing about pimps and hoes? Trust me, I doubt the song will win but it will be a very awkward moment. Watch as they perform....I guarantee you the camera will pan the crowd for the reactions of the Black attendees in the audience. Mark my words.
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Name:
jago
Comment: We have breeded a monster and it is devouring our culture. Shame on us!
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Name:
khufu
Comment: HARRIET..IOLDSCOOL could be in his 60s with children in their 20s or 30s...I dont know him...however, let's assume he is not and they arent....watching the film WITH his children proices open communication about social phenom that they more than likely are exposed to or will be...would you prefer that he shield them from it and not have open and honest dislog with them about it? we come from a culture of denials and avoidance...we should be willing to enage our children as long as we have some positice information to bring to the experience it's good...
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asize12
Comment: ==>khufu So, should you watch a porn or an explicit movie with your children since they're gonna learn about it anyway? Some movies are just not appropriate for children, thus the rating system. I don't think watching "Hustle & Flow" with your kids is a admirable. In my opinion, if you want to teach them about pimps & ho's, I think you should either go to the library or do research on the internet, not watch Rated R movies with them.
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Winn30344
Comment: THANKS AGAIN FOR POINTING OUT I GOT THE NAME WRONG.
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Name:
Harriet
Comment: You didn't know the age of his children or him before you commended him and you still didn't answer my question. What is admirable about watching this film with your children?
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Name:
212121
Comment: social phenom
I did not know pimping was a social phenom. Let's hope nobody's child will be exposed to this in real life.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: harriet: aGAIN...depending UPON THE AGE OF THE CHILDREN, i ASSUME THAT IF THEY are teenagers..i assume that he would not watch the film with his children less than teenagers....so when you say "children" you might be envisioning young kids...i see teenagers...that being the case, if they are teenagers then you think they wont see it on their own somewhere? My father took me to the films during the 70s when I was 12 years old..now I work in media and I am a filmmaker as well..with a healthi sense of my AFRICANESS.....so again I ask YOU the wuestion: do you think its better to try and hide this film..The poster referring to porno is off-cue...THIS FILM...why hide it when their world is permeated with the film and the song and other films and sogs just like it...sit and watch and TEACH..I give OLDSCHOOL the benfit of the doubt and assume thats what he did and if he did..where is the problem? Again....stop practicing self-denial ad avoidance....there are some things that need to be filtered and censored.....
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asize12
Comment: ==> khufu, I'm the "off que" poster. I made that comment to make a point and I'll make it again...some movies are not appropriate for children. Oldschoolbrotha didn't even say how old his kids where, so lets "assume" that they're NOT teenagers? Would it still be admirable then?
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khufu
Comment: asize12...no did i say that? LOL there are some social and political films that one should watch with their children...not porn...whats explicit to you? You may let your children watch Tyler Perry's films while other Black folks may think youre letting your child watch social buffoonery....
Now, your child, depending upon thier gae, might be walking around dressing like a thug, using all the words used in this film and listening to all the same music...this film is a "social and cultural indicator" of this generation...now understand I am not defending the film...i am saying that depending upon the age of the child...a responsible, knowledgable, conscious parent should watch it with their child for analysis and critique
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Name:
asize12
Comment: As a matter of fact, lets put an end to all of this assuming now. OLDSCHOOLBROTHA-how old are your kids?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: asize....if they were young..of course not..I assume the positive...you assumed the negative...y? I I could be wrong and only oldschool can determine that...
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Name:
khufu
Comment: LOL yeah oldschool...how old? and if they are 7 and 8 you 'bout to get yo %*$ kicked!!!
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Name:
Frank
Comment: I agree - a lack of balance is the problem in Hollywood, and will always be. Oscar will never recognize us blacks for progressive roles on a consistent basis. We need to support our own. On that vein, I'm challenging all of you to support my independent film, "Love Trap." It is simply the kind of movie we all talk about when we say we want more great black films. It's better than Hustle and Flow - better than most Hollywood films for that matter. If you don't want to take my word for it, go to the site - www.lovetrapmovie.com - and read all of the feedback and info on the movie. It's a four-time best feature film winner at the major black film festivals, and worthy of your support. I'm on a mission to make entertaining yet respectful black films about real issues, but I can't do it without your support. Order the film from the site, right now, if you really care about supporting positive black films. Thank you. Frank Goodin - MFA Film-making, FSU
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: OK >>>>Harriet, since you keep asking, I'm going to answer you, all right? Its hard out there on a pimp for several reasons: 1) you keep bruising your knuckles all the time from beating your hoes 2) You gotta spend so much of your paper on bailing out your hoes all the time 3) Your hoes keep trying to escape, so you gotta keep an eye on them all the time (and that's very stressful on a brotha) 4) Your hoes keep asking u to increase their weeekly allowance. (Dag.. I already give them $80/week to get their hair done, etc. I think that’s generous enough. What these b**ches want from a nig-gah??) 5) These hoes make me get violent sometimes, which I just hate. Like, last week, I had to break a b**tch's jaw cuz she stole $20 from me. That was so wrong that she made me have to do that to her. So, because people don’t realize that it's hard out there for a pimp, I'm announcing a new support group I've just formed for fellow oppressed pimps like myself. Its called Happily Overcoming Every Situation. (Also known as the H.O.E.S. Foundation). I mean if us pimps dont look out for each other, who will?
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asize12
Comment: ==> khufu, I feel you and I agree, to each his own. Obviously, porn is explicit, I just said that to prove a point. My point was basically to educate the younger children if they have any questions regarding that topic. For instance, my daughter is 15 and if she wanted to watch it, I would watch it with her and answer any questions that she may have. On the other hand, my son is 9 and he would not be allowed to watch it. Do you get my point?
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Harriet
Comment: khufu- So you commmended someone based on a perhaps erroneous assumption.
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: WELL, I'M GONNA CHECK THIS OUT SUNDAY NIGHT.
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Name:
Harriet
Comment: DoctorSmooth- Thanks. I am now filled with compassion and understanding.
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Name:
asize12
Comment: LMAO @ DoctorSmooth!
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Name:
khufu
Comment: yes Asize I do...and I thnk we agree..HARRIET: whats your point? Yes, I assumed positively and said, humbly, "I could be worng and I am open for correction." so whats the problem?
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Name:
letmein
Comment: Really really CTFU @ Doctor Smooth!!
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Name:
Harriet
Comment: khufu- Your original post said nothing about potentially being wrong. Your initial post said that you found watching this with kids "admirable." What do you mean "what is my point?" I want to know what is admirable about watching this with your seed. That is my point.
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McNasty
Comment: DoctorSmooth I'm right behind you on that one. I believe had it been written and directed by Spike or John Singleton we wouldn't be having this discussion cause it would never have made it out the hood! I don't care too much for the messenger but that's not something I'm gonna get up in arms about. We have allowed ourselves to be watered down and degraded and I guess it's too late to complain about it. The fact that hollywierd is still willing to make pimp/ho movies is proof of that.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: HARRIET I answered. epending upon the age of your children, media viewing and analysis is important...
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Name:
McNasty
Comment: Michele I like your post cause you know them boyz are gonna come in full regalia but I will not be sitting there to see it. The balance with this awards show is that Brokeback Mountain is right up there too - it certainly dispels the stereotype that cowboys are manly men who are rough and touch as alligator bags. Now we all know what they were doing on the trail. I hope Willie Nelson gets the opportunity to do his brokeback song!
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Name:
m_moise76
Comment: CTFU@ Doctor Smooth
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Name:
beboyz
Comment: I havent ever in my life even met a PIMP. If I did I didn't know that was his occupation. YT tries to insinuate that pimpin is so ingrained into the AA experience. I just don't get it???
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Name:
StopBeingIgnant
Comment: Get off oldschoolbrother's case. He did say he screened the movie beforehand before watching with his kids and apparently felt it was ok for his kids to see. Plus it ain't like after watching the movie, he piled the kids in his caddy and let them off on the stroll....... I swear most of you regular posters are the most judgmental and forever assuming'est people always telling folks what to do.
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Name:
TesticAl
Comment: DoctorSmooth, your last post was the BEST POST IN THIS THREAD! LMAO! That's some shyt I would say.
You're alright with me homie.
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Name:
reflection
Comment: It is quite sad that out of all of the quality black films that have been released in recent history, the most outstanding choice the academy could find to nominate was this song. I am feeling conflicted about watching on sunday in that I am offended that this song is being nominated let alone,performed, but at the same time, I know that this will be memorable event. Obviously Hollywood is still content to reward stereotypes and it proves that as much as things change, they stay the same
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Name:
ladybyrd
Comment: Everyone considers the OSCARS as the most PRESTIGOUS Award, so why would they ask him to do that damn song for the award show, how embarrassing (A pimp turned rapper).
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Name:
TMan
Comment: Oscar Announcer: "...And now ladies and gentleman, The 3-6 Mafia with a musical tribute to Hustle and Flow star and academy nominated actor, Terrence Howard." (houe lights dim, 'It's Hard Out There For A Pimp' music starts, 3-6 Mafia comes out on stage, pant's hanging down over their butts, baseball lid caps turned backwards and sideways, grilled teeth justa blinging, PimpMobile rolls out on stage complete with smoke and flashing lights, female dancers dressed like hookers and strippers come bouncing out) "...I got a snow bunny and a black girl too, You pay the right price and they'll both do you!" (Camera pans to audience - expressions range from smiles, to frowns, to mixed reactions, some people laugh, Terrence Howard in audience looks nervous)...Lord.
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Name:
Blackstar97
Comment: Question..when was the last time you saw an oscar winner play a pimp? Why is it Denzel could only win an Oscar for playing into the exact stereotype of how white people see us? How many other Oscar worthy performances has Denzel given without getting any recognition? We are being manipulated into thinking that this is all we can be. Our children are being brainwashed by this system into thinking that all they can be is either a Pimp or A gangsta rapper. Wake up people. This is not an honor but a disgrace to us all.
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Name:
chris1
Comment: My people,
The point is not Eva Longoria. The point is we are in a war for the minds and souls of our youth and the "%*$!(@" are winning. Ms. Henson should perform barefoot and pregnant while chasing a stage full of kids and Three 6 Mafia should tap dance in black face while eating chicken and watermelon. That would really reinforce these stereotypes. Another proud moment in Black America!!
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Name:
missutwo
Comment: At first I did not want to see this movie. Once I looked at it I saw something different. Yes he was a pimp (not a very good by the looks of his home and car) He did what he did to make it. We all do the same thing. How many women you know will date a man just to get the light bill paid. What do we call them? Our children pimp us every day. We go out and make that money to buy them shoes, clothes and food. This movie did not glorify the life of a pimp. It did not fall into white peoples thinking of what a pimp is. They think pimps are like Bishop Jaun and others. We want to be equals but we can't handle when anybody shows us in a negative light. Where are the message boards complaining about movies like Goodfallas, Scarface or all the movies showing white men raping and killing children or white women who murder there children. Are white people complaining about their negatives lives. The other movie up for a award is Brokeback Mountain. About two gay cowboys. This is just a movie about somebody who did not like the life he was living and wanted to change. Make something better than being a broke azz pimp.
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Name:
pnkldy
Comment: Why do we as black folks not support each other? Denzel won for Training Day because he was a monster in that film, and he was believable... It was completely different than all the other Denzel movies out there. Same for Halle with Monsters Ball, acting is about taking a role and making it your own, so that when people see the movie, play, TV show etc, the see the character, not the actor playing the role.
If your children are being brainwashed, it is because you are allowing them to be, you should be your children's role models, not actors, actresses, rappers, & singers that they do not know, and more than likely will never know!!! I could care less how white people perceive me, and to be honest the same goes for black people. You know why, because you same blacks that berate 3-6 Mafia for being too “niggerish” will berate me for sounding too white!!! We are always on that how white folks perceive us crap, but we are our own worst enemies!!! I teach my sons that if a person isn’t making moves to make your life better, then what they think or feel about you is irrelevant!!!
Why was the song nominated? I guess now ya’ll want to know why it won? The song tells the story of the movie perfectly. Who cares if you don’t condone the language or the topic, it was nominated! Where is your nomination? Or better yet, what have you done to better the lives of black folks? Rap is art. Rap like all music tells a story. If you have a problem with the stories that our young black men and women have to tell, then get off of your tail and do something about it!!! Go down to the hood and take a look at what our people go through, and until you have had to endure some of the things they have, shut up!!! And I have to say, the whole “bitches” and “hoes” argument is so OLD!!!!! Get over it, if you don’t have %*$!( or hoe tendencies, then the song isn’t about you.
DoctorSmooth, the Oscars are not about class and style, that is the way you are supposed to dress, the Oscar are about being the Best of the Best, as determined by the Academy. And sir, 3-6 Mafia now has a golden statue!!!!!
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