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Name: jazzfan

Comment: Tracy Chapman addressed the same subject 20 years ago in the song "Behind the Wall". You can't help people that don't want help. I remember getting a call from my sister-in-law hysterical because her roommate's man was in their house whoopin' her azz. I ran over there, not knowing if he was armed or what, had a physical confrontation with him and kept hi from beating her until the police came and locked him up. How the hell did I feel when the very next week I saw them hand in hand?

Name: McNasty

Comment: I'm always talking about us policing us, had that continued from way back we wouldn't be hearing music like we hear now and brothers would be more apt to step to each other about their propensity towards hitting and disrespecting women. It used to be that way of course there were cases like Jazzfan describes where you just have to leave them alone in their sickness. Before busta buss' cd came out with that on it one of the elder brothers of hip hop should have told him that he's too old for that shat and that's not the direction he should want to head in at this stage of the game. In the larger picture had we continued to maintain the border there would be no eminem, no paul wall and no such thing as a wigger! Nor would there be an overwhelming need for the presence of po po in the black community cause we be kickin' our own azzes.

Name: Gemami

Comment: McNasty, this isn't the direction Busta needs to go. He should be on a different level like LL -- and not moving backwards to try to be and sound like the 'masses'. In today's rap disrespect (on all levels) is what sells.

Name: MER82

Comment: That is so true McNasty, and I certainly appreciate a Brother like Minister Paul Scott for telling the truth. At this point though-will we be able to get back?

Name: McNasty

Comment: Gemami even LL could grow a little in his music but at least he's not calling women out of their names.

Name: McNasty

Comment: MER I pray so.

Name: Snicker

Comment: --->MER82 i still try to hope and pray that we're able to get back but it doesn't seem like we're headed in that direction.

Name: MER82

Comment: I feel you Snicker. There are simply not enough men willing to take a stand and not enough of us women willing to make them do it...

Name: Gemami

Comment: McNasty, I meant to say I agree with you... my bad. I'm not a 'fan' of LL and some of his songs are tired but like you said he doesn't call women out their names... that's all I meant.

Name: Gemami

Comment: McNasty, I'm sorry I meant to say I agree with you.

Name: fanteeking

Comment: My high school girl friend's sister used to be beaten weekly by her boyfriend. She'd call her brother to come help her every time. He'd go, break it up and go back home. One night the boy friend got tired of being disciplined so he KILLED the faithful brother. The sister cried so SADLY and REMORSEFULLy at the funeral but her brother never got up out of that casket. After he served time, guess who was walking down the Avenue hand in hand?

Name: Train

Comment: >fanteeking, now let me get this straight. Homeboy killed her brother and she stayed with the m.f. after he got out of prison???? If homegirl is going out like that then she'll be laying six feet under with her brother as soon as she %*$!es her man off.

Name: SweetieDarlin

Comment: Fanteeking, sad but very, very true. That's why it's so difficult to deal with Domestic Violence, you never know what to do. Back in my 20s I had a friend who's man called me talking shat after she left him(she did this on the regular) he got nasty with me about her whereabouts got my dad involved because he did now allow disrespect and even though my dad threatened to whoop his butt on sight, ole girl got back with dude and wondered why my dad was still angry. This chick allowed her man to beat up her dad, break out her parents windows several times, when she left him he destroyed any man's property she was with, he whooped her regularly too, they've now been married 15 years, been together since 1976. As far as Busta, dang I liked my man but is he going through a mid-life crisis or what. He used to be an innovator, now he thinks it's cool to join the bandwagon of the idiots who degrade black women---just SAD.

Name: SweetieDarlin

Comment: I meant to say my father did NOT allow disrespect to his family (dude was threatening me with bodily harm unless I told him where she was)

Name: McNasty

Comment: It's chill Gemami.

Name: EdnaMae

Comment: "busta" is a good guy? I guess if one forgets his strange "fear" of gays. And, as for calling any woman a "b", sorry REAL men don't do that, only chumps who wouldn't fight a real man. Rap is just the worst thing to come into the black community since crack.

Name: fanteeking

Comment: >Train and Sweetie Darling: Yeah, that's true. Also, one of my classmates from South Africa gravitated toward "no-good" men. She came to me in tears one day asking me what does it mean when a "black" man beats you with a hangar? I told her silly-azz pimps beat their prostitutes with hangars and she should leave the relationship. Me and my stupid, young self stayed in her apt. for hours with a 2 by 4 waiting for this dude to return. This S. African lady was a great friend and I wanted revenge. To make a long story short, years later after returning from the Million Man March, I met a S. African brother at a meeting and said "Hey Man, I got a great buddy named ......who was well known because of her family's long fight against apartheid. For S. Africans her initials were T. M. Anyway, he sadly told me that she'd returned to US for PHD. met another no-good man and he beat her to death. I guess she just thought abuse equaled love?

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