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kady
Comment: I agree with you 100%. He was sentenced to 4 yrs in jail and then received a pardon. I'm so tired of these celebrities getting off for their criminal acts. They need to start taking responisbility for their actions b/c if that was me or anybody else, we would STILL be in Dubai serving that 4 yr sentence....reminds me of that movie Midnight Express.
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Gemami
Comment: Dallas Cokehead (LMAO). Mo'K, I totally agree, this pardon is sending the wrong message not only to Dallas but to the world. Like Kady, I'm so tired of celebrities getting a slap on the wrist for crimes that Joe Smoe would have got the maximum for less. As someone said when this was first reported on EUR, all Dallas going to do is go back to ATL and "party". This is sad.
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ATLGirl
Comment: I posted this at the Dallas story, but I'll post it here. Does anyone think Dallas was somehow framed?
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Well let's look at this for a moment. To be 'framed' would at least elicit a public statement alleging such. He didn't say "I didn't know I had cocaine on me" he said "I didn't know I was breaking any laws."
That says it all.
He didn't say "I don't use cocaine." He said (in effect) I didn't know cocaine in an airport in Dubai was illegal."
Even HE has yet to allege anything of the sort.
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Thunny
Comment: So because Carlton O'Kelly has yet to meet a casual user of cocaine, we must then assume that the person in possession of cocaine is an addict? Wow, that's quite a leap. But then again, we all know what happens when one assumes...
And again Carlton O'Kelly assumes that Austin brought the coke so that he could use on the flight. Who knows? He may have been bringing it for someone else. That's just it - we don't know. We only know he had coke on him and he pleaded guilty to posession. Stop reaching, Carlton!
Is there not the possibility that Austin brought the drugs to enhance his experience at the 3 day party in the exotic locale of Dubai? Is that really so far-fetched and out of the question that we must automatically assume Austin is a cokehead, as the headline for this "column" reads?
Why is is that people's first inclination is always to send a man to jail instead of looking into the option of treatment? Carlton O'Kelly is once again ever-so-eager to see a black man go to jail.
Another thing - if we are really to believe that this series of events must mean that Austin is an addict, then what is he doing with just a small amount? He's a millionaire, why not bring more? Especially if you're an addict, right? Addicts never get enough, so why would he bring the equivalent of only an 8-ball for just 3 days of partying?
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ATLGirl
Comment: MorrisOKelly--> A few days ago, when this story broke out, a few people here at EUR, suggested Dallas may have be framed by "those people" over there who don't like Black folk, etc. etc. I'm just really curious to see how the discussion will unfold today, given how Dallas so carefully parsed his words. (I do agree, there's no such thing a casual coke user.)
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PHScott
Comment: Whatever the case, we will not know the effects of what happened until later on. What is needed to change the essence of man? Time... Perhaps this incident is enough to get him "scared straight". Most educated people get this (Dallas did attend college), so we'll have to wait and see if this second chance will be taken accordingly. If it was me, I'd be in church thanking God BIG TIME. He made a mistake and was lucky enough to only face public scorn, but now he is on the "watch list", so I hope if it was his "personal use" drugs he cleans himself up. If it wasn't his, I hope he's learned his lesson. Finally, Thunny- you need to chill out the name calling. You can make your points without lowering yourself. If you hate Mo'Kelly so much, why do you continue to read his columns?
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Thunny
Comment: PHScott, sorry you don't like what I wrote. Carlton understands what I'm saying. So maybe it is you who needs to chill out on telling who to write what on an internet platform that is open to anyone. Because what I wrote is filled with truth, not assumptions and speculation. Ciao.
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PHScott
Comment: BTW, addiction does not necessarily qualify as excess, but it does mean that you have a consistent need for something. Over time, that need grows and eventually you need more to satisfy that need. People addicted to nicotine didn't start out with 2 packs a day. Before I quit smoking I had cut my intake down to 3-4 cigarettes a day, thinking it would be simple from that point. And I was a "social smoker"- I never smoked in my house and when I was home I never had a pressing need to step outside to have a cigarette. I still went through a week of withdrawals because my body still needed even that small amount of nicotine.
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Thunny
Comment: So now we're comparing nicotine to cocaine?
I just want to know why Carlton O'Kelly salivates at every opportunity that a black man faces jail time. Why does he get so excited at the possibility of incarceration instead of considering the option of treatment? After all, if it is truly an addiction, then it must be treatable. It's not like this was a violent crime or anything, nor was he accused of distribution, so he was only "harming" himself. Why not advocate treatment? Why is jail the only choice?
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PHScott
Comment: Pay attention, Thun! I didn't disagree with what you thought and wrote, nor do I think your opinions should be silenced. I just think there should be a MODICUM OF RESPECT on the platform, that's all. I see you here EVERY DAY, so we are all part of the COMMUNITY, so to speak. I've noticed your DISDAIN for Mo'Kelly on the regular. There's no problem with disagreeing with what he writes. You have that right as a free-thinker. I was commenting on your consistent and persistent PERSONAL ATTACKS on him because of that dissent. It's not fair because we hide behind the anonymity of the internet while he is a "public figure", so to speak. I don't agree with Joseph C. Phillips, but I will not disrespect him just because we have differing viewpoints. In short, it just ain't cool... To paraphrase Martin Luther King, Jr, "we can disagree without becoming verbally disrespectful." Have a Blessed day!
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Thunny
Comment: PHScott, take off the striped shirt and put down the whistle. This is my method of expression, just like you have yours. It is not you who I want to engange in convo here. It is Carlton who I want answers from. He has disrespected me in the past and it was unprovoked, so that should be enough to explain why I have problems with him and his outlook. Every writer should face questions, and I have presented mine. Let's see if he can answer them without resorting to assumptions and speculation.
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PHScott
Comment: No, Thun, I am making a point about ADDICTION. Well, while we're on it, nicotine is a drug of sorts. You smoke it, your body develops a chemical dependency for it. You can be addicted to more than substances. You can be addicted to people or habits.
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PHScott
Comment: I hear u, Thun. Do ya thang...
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Thumpy...you are obviously FAR more concerned about me personally than I am about you on any level. The fact that you try to level personal insults everytime when I don't even address you specifically says volumes. As long as you're reading...that's cool.
Thanks for the support. We only spend our time doing those things which matter to us. I'm pleased to know you're an avid reader of my work.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Disrespected you? Unprovoked? You obviously are not dealing in reality. When you approach me with respect, then you will be engaged in conversation. I don't acquiese to 'demands.'
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Thunny
Comment: HA! So in other words you have no answers? How can you make such blatant assumptions and not be able to back them up with anything other than more assumptions? Hilarious!
Carlton, tell us why you immediately want black people to go to jail instead of considering treatment? Carlton stays living up to his name every chance he gets! I love it! I bet you and Najee Ali are thebest of friends huh? Holla!
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wiccar
Comment: >PHScott - Word! Well spoke. 1000% agree. Coke, nicotine, alcohol, people, tired azz excuses, name callin - helluva thing and helluva drug. MoK - do ya thang man, call 'em out! Thun, you a smart man, your stuff is mo interesting to read and engage without all the xtra. On the coke thang it ain't no joke and it ain't casual. Been there done that.
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Thunny
Comment: And, Carlton, please share with us the hypothesis you used to determine that if one uses cocaine that makes thatperson an addict. Are there any medical studies you can cite that backs up that statement? Or is that just another loaded statement filled with embellishment and speculation, demonstrating your superior lack of knowledge on the subject?
Then you, Carlton, go on to continually call Austin a "cokehead" without having any knowledge of his past history of drug use, if any. This is my problem with your "column". It is nothing but pure speculation and you're trying to condemn this man even though you don't know all the circumstaces surrounding the series of events. You immediately rush to judgment and purport to be so omniscient but really you have no clue! So you back up your loaded statements with more loaded statements! Man oh man, you are a classic!
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: The moment you address me with respect is the moment I'll address your comments and questions...until then, you're simply in monologue.
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Thunny
Comment: Says the guy who called me Thumpy! Man oh man, Carlton, you continue to outdo yourself in the ignorance and lack of logic departments. I look forward to more of the same.
By the way, nice avoidance technique in regards to answering my questions. If you don't know just say so playa!
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Thunny
Comment: By the way, Carlton, how can a monologue involve two people? Like I said, more of the same...
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: How can a monologue involve two people? It DOESN'T. That's why they call it a MONOLOGUE...
So when you're ready to DIALOGUE...you'll come at me correctly.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: I'm not avoiding anything...if you know anything about me I address all questions, but I will not address those that openly disrespect me. Remember, you're in this forum discussing MY column, I'm not beholden to you.
If you want ME to respond to questions about MY column, you damn skippy it won't be on YOUR terms like that.
When you figure it out, get back to me. Otherwise keep on spinning your wheels.
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Angel
Comment: Thunny - Actually, I read an article a few years ago that stated that quitting smoking was one of the hardest addictions to beat. The article said it was tougher than quitting cocaine. I wish I could remember the magazine because that fact just seemed too hard to believe. However, I did have a family member who died of lung cancer...she quit smoking like 10 times, but never could stay off of them. She did drugs in the 70's, including coke, and quit cold turkey when she got pregnant.
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Thunny
Comment: Seems as though your responses to ME make this a dialogue. Poor Carlton wants to ignore me but he can't because he knows I have valid points and that this column in particular is based soley on a slanted, embellishing opinions that don't match up with facts. I know EUR pays you pennies so you don't put much effort into these pieces but I truly am alarmed at how quickly you want to send black men away to jail. That further demonstrates your hatred for black men, thus your hatred for yourself. You are not consistent in the least, except your obvious disdain for black men. Otherwise why wouldn't you recommend treatment for a man who you say is addicted to a serious drug? He has no record whatsoever and here you are ready to condemn him to hard labor in a foreign prison for his very first offense. That's very telling.
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Thunny
Comment: Thank you, Angel. By you stating that nicotine is harder to kick than cocaine only reinforces my argument that Austin carrying an 8-ball of coke doesn't necessarily make him a cociane addict off the bat. I'm still having trouble with Carlton's ridiculous assumption that there is no such thing as a casual cocaine user. Plenty of drug clinics will easily refute that claim.
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Kofi
Comment: >Thunny, you doin too much. Whatever Mo' did or said your response to it does not reflect positively on you. Conversely, Mo, I think you are being a bit harsh on my brotha Dallas. On the one hand we say addiction is a disease (much like diabetes or a psychological disorder) but yet we treat it as a moral failing and denigrate the people who have the disease (ie cokehead) Granted, transproting Cocaine to a middle eastern country is not a smart move. It is a manifestation of the disease. We can't have it both ways. If addiction is a moral failing, then treatment is useless. (we all have our moral failings and we would be grossly hypocritical to point out the failing in others) or we could treat addiction as a disease and treat people with the disease with compassion (not co-dependency) You are a smart man Mo' I think we are better humans when we choose the latter.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Ok...Let me start by saying that Morris is a journalist so he's able to make such ridiculously unfounded assumptions based on his feelings..not facts. I for FACT know at least 10 "casual" cocaine users...two of whom have been practicing law for about 10 years combined. All of whom have been using for years..and I mean years. Yeah u can say that they're addicts (although I would strongly disagree). BUT that "word" denotes such negative connotations and I don't think we have enough information to determine that. But, again you are a journalist and this is your column...and you're able to express your opinion. What's interesting is that people hold celebrities to such high standards but then we say "they're no different than we are." If that's the case why don't we hold each other to the same standard as we hold celebrities? For some reason I think that your whole argument would be different if the subject was Alonzo Mourning instead of Austin.
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JamerDelta
Comment: Thunny, I know you are trying to make a point, but are you seriously saying that cocaine is not addicting. Do you use cocaine recreationally? Is that your reason for claiming that you can be an occasional user. Ask yourself this question--would you do cocaine with your mother, child, woman, best friend--recreationally of course--without any thought that they would get addicted? If your answer is yes, then you may need to really do some research. It is one of the most addicting drugs out there. As for the %*$ertion about treatment--of course treatment should be the first option, but can you really tell me that someone would travel to a well known anti-drug country and carry drugs on them if they truly didn't need to (as in dependency) and then should that country not exercise its right to administer the laws of their land. The man was lucky plain and simple and from what I read from the article and completely agree with if he doesn't act himself to get help and or his friends push him to get help then its only going to get worse.
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TesticAl
Comment: LMAO at Thunny! You a fool homie. I see the team is in the house. Sup Herbs. Are we havin' any prollems up in here? I got the strap right here! Ya DIG.
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Thunny
Comment: Herbs, you already know what that reason is. Dude gave Zo a free pass for associating with known drug dealers, but he's ready to throw Austin under the jail for this.
Kofi, this isn't a presidential campaign. I don't care what reflects positively or negatively on me. This dude Carlton O'Kelly is wack and hates himself. That's my opinion, just like it is his opinion that there are no casual cocaine users at all, nor have any ever existed, and that if you use cocaine it is a logical assumption that you are an addict.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: If I'm so 'wack' why are you here...why do you keep reading? You contradict yourself. Try again.
NEXT!
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Kofi - Addiction is a disease? I still think there is considerable debate on that one. When we talk about a self-imposed condition, it's hard for me to look upon it with the same sympathy as the woman stricken with cervical cancer.
Also, to whoever said that they 'know' someone who has used cocaine 'recreationally' for ten years, then proof positive you're an addict. That does more to prove my point than disprove it.
As for having 'leniency' on Austin...it's all about how the person in question addresses the problem.
He has NOT in any way accepted responsibility for his actions. If he had AT LEAST done that...then we can go there. But for the person to take cocaine on an airplane, (likely not the first time) and get arrested and his only response is...I didn't know that was illegal...that's not begging for sympathy from anyone.
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Thunny
Comment: Jamer, nowhere did you see me write that cocaine is not addictive. Liquor is addictive. But because I drink a Jack and Coke everyday at happy hour doesn't make me a lush. Feel me? He's jumping to conclusions that are based on assumptions.
As far as if I'd do coke with my mother or child, etc., I'm not sure what that has to do with anything but MY answer is no. Someone else's answer may be yes. I don't do coke, nor have I ever. That doesn't mean I haven't been to some bachelor parties in Vegas where someone will cut up some lines and people will do them, recreationally. This is reality. Many many people use cocaine without getting addicted. That is a fact that Carlton should have thought about before spouting off this madness that is supposed to pass as journalism. But then again this is EUR...
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yunvme
Comment: where tha hellz did my previous comment go? Anyway, all I said early on was that he should not call him an addict. I have know "casual" coke users in the past. You know the ones who do it on "special" occassions once, maybe twice a year IF THAT. They are not addicts. I am not in denial, or wearing rose colored glasses. In the other article about Dallas I asked the following: If you drink champagne every New Years Eve- are you an alcoholic?
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Thunny
Comment: Carlton, I would expect for you not to be able to recognize contradictions after reading this trash. By the way, you're continuing OUR dialogue. Thanks, Carlton!
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Thunny
Comment: Carlton, reading is fundamental, and if you can't read Herbs' post clearly, then it's no wonder you write this type of nonsense. Herbs did not say he knew someone who had used for 10 years. You're having a tough day today aren't you?
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: You can't read...I never mentioned Herbs' name. Try again. You're really struggling with this.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: To Yunvme: I think that's a very good point. But the difference is this...you're talking about behavior once a year. I don't know of anyone who does use cocaine, only uses it annually. Also, I don't know of anyone who does use cocaine who isn't seriously impaired in their judgement...i.e. trying to board airplanes with it and act as if they don't know the law.
I think it's a good question, but it underscores the point that the use of cocaine is anything but 'casual.'
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JamerDelta
Comment: I had posted something else too that didn't come through. my point was to musb. There are many high functioning addicts out there that don't run into problems unless if and when they run out of money. But the fact that they've been USING for years --isn't that what addicted means??
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Thunny
Comment: Well Herbs was the only person who made mention of something you thought you read, so your turn to try again. hanks in advance for continuing our dialougue, though. I could have sworn you said a while back this was my monologue... How old are you dude? You're resorting to my childish tactics, no?
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: In this instance, we're talking about Dallas Austin, not someone 'hypothetically.' THIS individual is acting like an addict. And since he just got arrested for coke in an airport...I'm more likely right than wrong.
You get arrested for coke in an airport of all places, you're an addict. You can't go without your addiction more than hours at a time. Otherwise he would've waited for the party in Dubai...which there probably would've been plenty coke.
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yunvme
Comment: JamerDelta you have alot to learn. Thats no dis.
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CrzyLdy16
Comment: Does using the term "chemical dependency" instead of "addicted" is easier...
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Name:
reflection
Comment: this situation once again validates the %*$ertion that there there are two justice systems;one for the haves and one for the "have nots". Surely if it was Jamal Jenkins carrying coke into Dubai, his sentencing would have proceeded quite differently. I don't know if Dallas is an addict or not,but hopefully, this will be a wake up call to him. Transporting cocaine to a foreign country that has harsh penalties for such behavior, was surely a misguided idea. and He should definetely be thanking God that he is on a plane back to ATL instead of being shown to his cell in a foreign jail
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Thunny
Comment: Jamer - I've been drinking since I was 15. Does that make me a functioning alcoholic?
Carlton, how did you know I was talking to you? I said Carlton. I thought your name wasn't Carlton... Well, now I guess we know what you answer to, Carlton, don't we?
Now, when you're addressing Yunvme, you say that "YOU" don't know of anyone who uses coke once a year, and "YOU" don;t know of anyone "who isn't seriously impaired in their judgement...i.e. trying to board airplanes with it and act as if they don't know the law." So are you trying to say you know all the people who use cocaine in the world? You know Dalas Austin now? You keep making these uninformed blanket statements based on nothing at all. You forget that cocaine was a key ingredient in Coca Cola back in the day. I don't remember reading anything about people gettign turned out from drinking Coke. You're reaching fella!
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CrzyLdy16
Comment: I mean "make it easier"
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: Well two things, I don't as-s-ume Dallas is a drug addict and I do feel that since there seemed to be no indication by his past actions he is an addict it is a stretch, that being said do we really want to watch and see who is right, I mean if dude is an addict, hopefully this is his wake up call and he'll get help so we will never see if this situations gets to a Whitney level. And Dallas could have been bringing it as a party favor. No doubt his resposne was simply a deer in the headlights moment, he probably felt so stupid he did know WHAT to say. Secondly I agree with one of Thunny's points, why would jail be the only way if dude is an addict. Getting him help would be the answer for him or any other person who is an addict. Unfortunately those without money are in jail for that very reason. Now as far as it sending wrong messages, I do believe at this point no one is shocked about the fact that Dallas was pardoned, unfortunately that's the way of the world OJ, Michael Jackson, Robert Blake, R. Kelly, Robert Wagner, Jack Nicholson etc. etc. we all know celebrity in most cases is your get out of jail without charges (not necessarily free) card so what's new. We all know we can not do the same thing---to quote F. Scott Fitzgerald in the GReat Gasby---"The Rich are Different"
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yunvme
Comment: MorrisOKelly but maybe he- at the request of some of the party goers wanted the good BRONX/ Washington Heights Coke and thats why he had it on the plane. Not necessarily to go into the bathroom for a couple of quick sniffs but to hook up his friends. I think his BIGGEST problem is stupidity rather than addiction.
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Kofi
Comment: >Mo, my point is either way we really need to show some compassion. Who are we in our self righteousness to call somebody on their moral failings when we all have our own. As for the disease, addiction is listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (the big book of psychological disorders) As a person who has walked that walk and all the others who have walked that path, addiction is a BYTCH!!!! Your life is slowly unraveling (as in the case of Dallas, Whitney, et al)and you are slowly killing yourself. Despite knowing this, there is little you can do about it. Berating someone or telling them how '%*$!ed' up they are does no good. People seem to think hell is some place in the nether world. No my brothas and sisters, hell is right here inside your own head and it is worse than you ever imagined. That is addiction.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: No one said jail was the ONLY way. You didn't read my article evidently. I clearly stated that in the ABSENCE of repercussions (i.e. jail) there isn't a deterrent or degree of leverage to rationalize to a user that treatment is needed.
Go back and re-read the column. It's there, complete with comparison to Whitney.
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Thunny
Comment: Carlton, are you saying that there couldn't have been a possibility of there being no cociane at all at this party? Maybe Dallas didn't know if there would be any so he brought his own. That's not the sign of an addict who "can't go without your addiction more than hours at a time." That's the sign of someone who took a risk and he got caught. Simple as that.
The fact of the matter is that 1) you're assuming that being arrested for coke in the airport makes you an addict, and 2) that there would have been plenty of coke at the party in Dubai. In both instances you have no clue as to what is correct and incorrect. You're just surmising at best. In other words everything you write isn't based on anything other than a paltry one-sided, closed-minded opinion.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Compassion implies that a person is enduring strife. There are no repercussions to the behavior, this we can agree and there are those trying to argue today he's NOT an addict...so Kofi, what is there to have compassion for?
Allegedly he's NOT an addict, definitely he's NOT going to jail and the world is unfair and beneficial to celebrities. That's the gist of those who disagree with me. So I'm supposed to have 'compassion' for what exactly?
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Thunny...didn't you say something?
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Thunny
Comment: Carlton, thanks for the DIAlogue! And thanks for answering to the name Carlton!
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Thunny
Comment: Carlton, if Austin is an addict as you claim he is, and addictions are one of the worst evils on this earth, you're telling me that doesn't merit compassion no mater how the addiction originated?
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Kofi...the 'failings' I bemoaned were societal moreso than Austin's. I'm more concerned at the fact that regardless of whether he ever gets treatment, he should be in jail. That's not a fact that anyone can or should argue.
That's a societal failing.
I'm disappointed at the indifference of my people at such ridiculous behavior. There are people on this board who were ok with Snoop acting a fool at Heathrow and other 'celebrity' foolishness.
The behavior is unacceptable. Compassion is connected to culpability. Austin thinks the only thing he did wrong was get caught? That's not contrition. Contrition is the road to compassion. Otherwise it's indifference on his part and he'll get the same indifference from me in return.
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yunvme
Comment: I dont think EVERYONE is saying that you should have compassion. However, I think that most find fault in you "thinking" that "If you use cocaine, we can assume you are a drug addict…no ifs, ands, or buts". I do understand that yours is an Opinion column and as such you are entitled to give just that- no matter how misguided you may be. But you know what. Its ok. You learn something new everyday. Hopefully now you will think before rushing to judgement.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: yunvme - To risk jail for four years in the Middle East all for the sake of 'convenience' is more than unbelievable. That's more indicative of addiction, the irrational and dangerous behavior always associated with it.
That's not arrogance on his part, or even stupidity...that's an impairment in judgment that smacks of addiction. Addiction is wreckless abandon in common sense terms...you know, stealing from your family to facilitate a habit. Outlandish decision-making.
Getting on a plane with cocaine, just so you won't be 'inconvenienced' is definitely that. It fits the phrase 'No one in their RIGHT mind...'
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TesticAl
Comment: LMAO! Niggaz is wild in here!
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Name:
Thunny
Comment: Yunvme - he is not going to start thinking before rushing to judgment anytime soon. That's evident. Logic 101 at his local community college would serve Carlton a great bebefit.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: I never said that everyone who 'uses' cocaine...IS an addict, but I did say that cocaine use ONLY has one end destination.
If I use cocaine tomorrow and next week, I'm not an addict...yet.
It has to do with the amount of exposures to the substance. And again, there are addicts with high functionality...we can not ignore this fact. NOt all addicts look like Gator from Jungle Fever.
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Thunny
Comment: So you didn't say this, Carlton: "If you use cocaine, we can assume you are a drug addict... no ifs, ands, or buts."
Carlton really thinks we're stupid here! You said it in your own words and now you're trying to say you didn't say that? Wow. Stick to your guns, Carlton. Don't give up so easily!
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Mind you, all this you guys are saying...is EXACTLY what other folks said after my Whitney piece...
And then she ended up back in rehab...AGAIN, AFTER the time mentioned in my column.
Just remember all of this you're saying here. You want me to have 'compassion' (same discussion in the Whitney comments) I want your apologies after being proven right.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: This is the actual quote:
"If you use cocaine, we can assume you are a drug addict…no ifs, ands, or buts. I’ve yet to meet any ‘casual’ user of cocaine who was not already addicted or on the short track to addiction. Using cocaine has only one inevitable destination and it’s never far away. It’s like the man who jumps off the building with no parachute…it may be “all good” as he passes floors 110 – 23; but guaranteed, the asphalt is approaching."
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: If you quote me, quote me correctly. It is clear what I said and what I meant. If you use cocaine...you are an addict...just don't know it yet...hence the analogy.
It's inevitable.
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Thunny
Comment: Carlton, you're doing more backtracking than a little. Time for you to log off playa.
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yunvme
Comment: we all know about the word ASSUME? Right?
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musbdherbs
Comment: Morris..and you're still wrong. Where did I say that I knew someone who used for 10 years? You're now a journalist who can't read. Thun made my point. Jamer/Morris, If you drink liquor (which def has addictive qualities)regularly, does that make you an addict? That's my whole point about assuming that when someone is caught red-handed w/an addictive substance, that he/she MUST be an addict. That's just irrational. Unless there are other reported incidents this situation can in NO way be compared to Whitney...othan than their celeb status. More ridiculous assumptions. If you for the FIRST time snorted coke and yo were so zooted that ya dumb azz walked out on the block w/powder on your nose and a gram in your pocket, is it safe to assume you're an addict? For the record, my posts on this subject in NO way mirrors nething I would've said about Whitney.
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Thunny
Comment: Carlton is copping pleas like a mob turncoat!
Carlton just said "I never said that everyone who 'uses' cocaine...IS an addict."
The he turns around and says "If you use cocaine...you are an addict."
LAWDY!
I think Carlton is the one who's sniffing!
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: And if you get on an airplane with coke either because you just can wait that long or "WORRIED" about the absence of it at a party (which would last three days)
Thank you...you've proven my point.
You're an addict. You can't go without. By definition, you are an addict.
Definition of addiction:
"A chronic pattern of behavior that continues and is perceived to be hard or impossible to quit at any time. It is quite common for an addict to express the desire to stop the behavior, but find himself or herself unable to cease."
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: I never attributed the comment to you Herbs...get your facts straight. Your friend said it.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: I said "whoever"...
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Herbs...if you drink regularly AND it is affecting your behavior in regards to it (i.e. unable to avoid criminal activity in regards to it...then yes, you're an addict)
I've answered your question.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Herbs, do you know anyone who used cocaine once and stopped? Honestly.
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yunvme
Comment: I think we can all agree that that has to be one of the stupidest (is that a word?) things a person can do. Not just getting caught at the airport with "something" you shouldnt have. But to get caught over there. Wheew. He must not have seen Midnight Express.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Herbs...it's about irrational behavior...NOT being caught. If you caught me drunk on the job or trying to sneak liquor here or there or doing things that would risk my freedom, then yes, I'm an addict for sure.
We're talking about the impaired judgment...which LED to him being caught. THAT is the key here. THAT smacks of addiction.
No one in their RIGHT mind would...
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yunvme
Comment: I do (know someone who tried it once).
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: To Yunvme: To that Midnight Express point...which is true, I think it's beyond 'stupidity' it's impaired judgment.
If he were in his right mind like most folk, he wouldn't have done it...not here and definitely not there.
That's an addiction.
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Gemami
Comment: I personally think debating if Dallas is an addict is beside the point. I’m with Reflection, my frustration comes from him and other celebrities for that matter getting a tap on the hand for crimes the average man would get the maximum sentence for. Why is anyone crying the blues for this man… tonight he’s going to be ‘partying’ and making hits like nothing happened. Thunny, I truly understand your point and for American I’m totally agree and have my own issues with drugs laws, but we really can’t debate the law of foreign lands, so again I think the whole rehabilitation debate is fruitless when it comes to this particular issue.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: I'm enjoying this...but I have to step away for a moment.
If you get caught with cocaine, I am rightfully entitled to call you a cokehead. That's a fact and not up to discussion, and not a 'subjective' %*$ertion.
If you get caught with cocaine at an airport because you just couldn't wait to use it again...you're an addict.
If you're willing to risk jail in the Middle East, all for the sake of snorting some blow...you're an addict. Ask any doctor and then come back and tell me I'm right.
See you in a bit.
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Angel
Comment: Personally, I don't know anything about coke. Was the amount he had enough to party with for 3 days?!? It sounded so small. Anyway, if his rationale for carrying the coke on the plane was for the fact that he didn't want to get the shakes (due to withdrawal) while on a long azz flight, then I would say he's definitely an addict. Other than that, we can only assume. He could be a casual user with bad judgment--it's possible. It's possible he went to a party the night before and totally forgot the coke was in his pocket. It's possible that he wore a pair of pants that on the previous time he wore them, he was partying with Whitney and totally forgot it was in his pants. Hell, I found $100 in a coat pocket once and couldn't remember leaving it there, so, like I said--anything's possible.
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GoldenLady
Comment: I feel you Gemani. Whether he is an addict or not is besides the point. He broke the law, and would have done so, not just in Dubai, but in America too. The big picture is that celebrities are treated differently when it comes to the justice system and people are standing behind him and defending him, why? Probably no other reason than his celebrity status.
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reflection
Comment: it's obvious from this discussion, that we all have different definitions of "addiction" and what behaviors manifest from addiction. I don't think that any of us can definitively state whether the man is an addict or not- although he certainly showed poor judgement in this situation. Again, I would just hope that we are all this benevolent and willing to show this much understanding to the possible addict down the street that breaks in our house,snatches our purses, nods off on the job etc. I think that in general we tend to either love or hate celebrities and when we love them, they can almost do no wrong.whereas I dont see the same compassion exhibited with people we come into contact with everyday
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Thunny
Comment: I guess then a teenager attending his prom is also an addict/alcoholic for sneaking in bottles of liquor, since with Carlton's logic, the teen is risking being expelled all for the sake of having some drinks at prom because he couldn't wait until after the prom to drink. Using Carlton's logic, that teen is an addict/alcoholic. Hmmmmm......
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asimplegoddess
Comment: While I agree Thunny jail is not always a good deterent and rehab can do wonders, when you travel outside of your own country, you have to realize you are not going to be punished according to the laws of your own land. It is possible to be a casual user, though not common and it is possible he was carrying it for someone else, however he was carrying it none the less and just because he has money does not mean he should not be held responsible. 4 years was not harsh considering it could have been up to 15 years, their drug laws are harsh and you can be convicted for just being under the influence, nevermind actually posessing it. Sad to see them bend.
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GoldenLady
Comment: Again, the focus really should be on the illegal behavior. It is illegal for a teen to drink at any point...Same for Dallas to be in possession of coccaine, a little or a lot of it. I agree we cannot possibly know for sure if he is an addict, but his illegal actions shouldn't deserve a pardon just b/c he is famous. If it were any of us on this board, we wouldn't have received the same treatment.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Morris..you r a journalist and a grown journalist at that. Let's not play that game. I am the only person who said anything about knowing someone who used coke. So, it's obvious what u were referring to. Give me a break! If you use PCP for the 1st time and run ya dumb azz outside, drive to the store and crash into a light pole, that doesn't make u an addict...it's makes u high and stupid. Did u read what u just wrote? you said "A chronic pattern of behavior that continues..." Now answer this. What information do YOU have that would indicate Austin's 'chronic pattern of behavior' The problem is that you don't have any information to suggest a "pattern" This is unless you're going to lie and say that you're holding on to information just to further the debate..like u did the other week. To answer your question, yes I know of three people. And one who tried meth..and 1 who tried pcp...both of whom quit after the 1st try.
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Thunny
Comment: Simplegoddess, I was responding to Carlton O'Kelly saying that jail is the only answer for Austin. On the contrary, there are way more answers and solutions than just one.
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Angel
Comment: Or maybe he dropped off a friend at rehab and took the coke from his friend to help him out. That was Michael Irving's excuse. LOL
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: I just checked back in...
In all honesty Herbs...it's a known FACT that Austin has been a user/addict for years.
In my working around his artists, his projects and the like (as with Whitney) I've witnessed the abuse firsthand.
When I spoke about Whitney I can tell you about when she was high at the Playboy Mansion while I was there and high at the Grammy rehearsals and they told all of us not to take pictures of her, she looked so bad.
Trust me, I can step out on Dallas too. Those who work in the industry know. I just can't 'write' anything about it until issues like these become public.
As for running into a light pole after one drug use...that's not what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about foregoing rational thought. Under the influence anything is possible in a momentary sense.
This wasn't momentary. His statement afterwards was momentary either. That's the difference.
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yunvme
Comment: oooh now dats what we talking about. What is the T? LoL.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Herbs...here is something else for you. He was CHARGED with the 1.26 grams of cocaine, but these were the CONTENTS of his pocket. Now take the name Dallas Austin out of the scenario and put POOKIE
"1.26 grammes of cocaine and five-and-a-half capsules of cocaine and an MDM drug for personal use in his pocket when searched."
That's an addict.
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Thunny
Comment: Carlton is a funny funny dude! First he says it's a "known fact" that Austin has been a user/addict for years. Then he says he can't write anything about it until it becomes public! LOL You are out of control my man! STOP SNITCHING!
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yunvme
Comment: not that it really matters, but 1.26 grams of coke aint really nothing. Can barely fill up a dolla bill.
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Thunny
Comment: Carlton, what's he addicted to - the coke or the E? Or did he just bring both to have a good time at a big party? I'm inclined to believe the latter. If he was truly an addict what the hell is 1.26 grams of coke and 5 and a half capsules of coke and an E tab going to do for him for 3 long days? If he's an addict, that's not harldy enough to tide him over. You've got to come better than that, Carlton.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: 1.26 grams will get you through an international flight. We're talking about someone who just couldn't wait...
Nobody accused him of being a dealer.
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Gemami
Comment: Come on guys... why are ya'll still debating if Dallas is an addict or not... is that really the issue???
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asimplegoddess
Comment: 1.26 grams seems like an odd number thinking of it, it probably started out as more lol
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yunvme
Comment: I'm sure it started out as 1.5 possibly 2 grams.
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Name:
Thunny
Comment: Carlton, you must have played quarterback in high school, because you're doing more back peddling than Brett Favre against the Steelers defense!
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Good point Gemani...
In the Middle East, he could have received the death penalty for his actions...period.
And y'all want ME to show compassion? Uh, he's received PLENTY already.
He should at the minimum be in jail. The law is the law and the UAE law was clear. The only reason he's free is because of a pardon, not because he did anything to deserve the pardon.
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yunvme
Comment: Sh*t man, I aint hatin. How can I? Dont hate the playa- hate the game. If I could get a pardon for something, I would be sooooo greatful. If I were rich and my having money got me "off the hook" for something- I would be ever so greatful. This is the world we live in. We of all people know the injustice in this world. I am not gonna hate on someone rich cause their "justice" may be different from mine.
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wiccar
Comment: Agree yunvme. He's lucky. More than that coulda been carrying wit intent to traffick. Having that shat in his pocket kept him from issue of obvious concealment. Bruh has a problem.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: I don't believe that's 'hating' on him. It's simply unacceptable behavior. I would've felt the same way if Scott Peterson got a 'pardon' for killing his wife and unborn son.
It's the behavior that should be addressed. He got off, good for him, but that doesn't make me any less inclined to call it for what it is...a failing of society.
Murder is a part of life (unfortunately), but still unacceptable.
Just because something is prevalent doesn't make it appropriate or something we shouldn't take to task. Graffiti is prevalent, sex in junior high is prevalent. I'm not going to roll over and chalk it up to 'hating'
I disagree.
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Thunny
Comment: *PA system at a football game*
"And Carlton O'Kelly is sacked for a loss of 20 yeards on the play."
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musbdherbs
Comment: Gem..for me it is because that's the main part of the article that I found issue w/...the very beginning. To base an entire column about somebody's "addiction" when the only information we are privy to is ONE incident in which some coke was in a pocket of someone who we have NEVER heard of being involved w/drugs is ridiculous. Sure it was wrong, sure it was stupid, illegal..blah..blah..blah.. but based on the information we've been provided, I don't think that makes u an addict. Of course, Morris feels otherwise. I'm sure Morris can get into places that we can't...have access to info that we dont'...all because of his celebrity *cough* But then to turn around and say "we should all be treated the same" when he benefits from his celebrity *snicker*. WTF? Why get brand new.... he knows wassup and if he doesn't like it..don't be a part of it!
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Name:
Thunny
Comment: *PA system at a football game*
"Carlton O'Kelly has to be helped off the field after the sack by Herbs."
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Name:
TesticAl
Comment: *Testic Al drives the medic cart with a booty booty BICH sitting by his side on the field to help Carlton*
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: lolol...Both of ya'll wild...
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Name:
yunvme
Comment: you dayam right herbs. This brotha talkin bout the Playboy mansion an shi*t.
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Name:
Thunny
Comment: This nasty nig was probably up in ther Playgirl mansion for real.
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Name:
nylaconnect
Comment: to morris,you said he the law is the law.were you in the armed services or something because you see everything as black or white.we all know the law is depending on who broke the law
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Name:
CrzyLdy16
Comment: y'all are funny
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Name:
nylaconnect
Comment: should be you said the law is the law.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: No, the law is the law. It is illegal what he did, punishable by death. There's nothing that can be argued there.
The law is the law.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Herbs and crew...
I love it...don't care what you say or think about me...because you'll be reading and responding next week.
Mission accomplished. Should I care more if you dislike me or are indifferent to my work?
Ponder that.
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yunvme
Comment: just for the record Morris. I aint hatin on you. Healthy debate is good.
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Name:
Thunny
Comment: Carlton, you should care why you're so eager to see black men incarcerated. You hate yourself and it's clear as day. Funny thing is I'd hate myself if I were you too, you poor confused soul.
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Name:
yunvme
Comment: but fo real though. Can you "hook me up" next time you go to the Playboy Mansion?
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Name:
Thunny
Comment: yunvme, I think Carlton might have more "pull" at the Playgirl Mansion.
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Name:
TesticAl
Comment: Yo Morris! U madd doggy? You have to be saying that. Just don't be mad at Testic, I was only drivin' da medic cart. Ya DIG. LOL!
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: Raising hand---Well I don't know about Musbe knowing people who tried coke 1 time and quit but I know several people who used coke once and stopped. BTW I am confused, earlier you said Dallas was an addict, when people asked why you said he was an addict with no proof, from what I'm reading in your comment you're saying that know whats up with Dallas, it REALLY is and addict but you won't give examples as proof because it wasn't public knowlege---well by you calling him an addict it is putting that phrase out there for public consumption. When it's all said and done most people are not going to distiguish he's an addict the opinion from he's an addict and I have proof. Anyway all this brouhaha, heck Dallas isn't the first Mick Jagger, Keith Richards one of the Beatles etc have gotten caught with drugs in other countries and almost were jailed, of course that makes the case for your addict opinion since they were addicts at the time (LOL). I know it sounds foolish but a lot of celebs are used to the cushion of their celebrity, regardless of where they go they expect preference so it simply doesn't occur to them that the things they get away with in the states is serious business elsewhere. No excuses as I said, just Dallas is about as dumb as most celebs. And if we are going for treating celebs like regular folks that means either you will now write a column about the goings on of Thunny, Musbe, Testic AL, Osun, etc. since we are regular folks or every columnist/reporter will stop photographing and writing about celebs so they can be regular folks (smile)
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Oh, I know you're not yunvme...it's all good. That's why I always come to the forum section. The debate is important.
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yunvme
Comment: I think instead of making personal statements- "some" should take a deep breath and realize that this reaction is exactly what he was hoping for. Dialoge was the goal. Its his job to bring these things out of us. For that I say job well done. But on the real, I'm glad we could ed-u-ma-cate you on addiction.
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nylaconnect
Comment: so morris ,the law is the law punishable by death.do you think this is a good law one or do you think its outrageous.why is man so intent on killing another for a mis-step.you sound like the people in the bible who wanted to stone the lady because she committed adultry(spelling) until Jesus put the stoolies in their place
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: To Sweetie...I would take ANYONE to task for certain behavior, irrespective of star status, as I said word for word in the piece. It's the behavior that's the problem.
The only 'difference' is how we as a community make allowances for it when a celebrity name is attached.
Right is right, wrong is wrong. He should be in jail at the minimum.
We can debate whether he's officially an addict until we turn blue in the face, but nobody should argue whether he should be in jail right now.
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musbdherbs
Comment: OK Morris..that confirms it..You are 12 yrd old. You can't validate the point of your article so now you've allowed yourself to be subjected to a *werkin neck w/a lisp* "I don't care wut u thay or think about me..cuz u'll be reading and rethpondin nexth week..Mithin accomplithed. Thuld I care more if you dithlike me or are indifferent to my work? WOW! WTF is that... For the record, I doubt that none of the people you are disagreeing w/are in such awe of your journalism that it keeps them coming back. Ith because u thay thuch ridiculouth thingth and path it off ath fact. Now pleathe, ponder that! Then as you said last week...you are FABULOUTH!
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yunvme
Comment: dude you crack me up. I typed a whole notha post alluding to that previous post of his, then decided not to "make it personal" and erased it.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Herbs...
We've already agreed that you know nothing about journalism, so stop trying to get 'even' with me.
You're still just mad that I wrecked you on this board. Don't get mad.
And you can throw all the veiled homosexual insults you want. Seeing as how I'm clear and confident in my heterosexual lifestyle, I'm not trippin.
That's usually someone's last resort. Can't beat me intellectually, resort to namecalling and homophobia.
Well done.
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yunvme
Comment: "rethpondin"--now that is some funny sh*t.
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Name:
Thunny
Comment: *Herbs is accepting the game MVP trophy*
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Name:
nylaconnect
Comment: Also mo,a while back you said you had an article coming out regarding the billy preston family vs the preston manager situation.did i miss it?
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TesticAl
Comment: Herbs, "Mithin accomplithed." You a muthafuckkin' fool! LOL!
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Name:
SweetieDarlin
Comment: Well Morris, I can agree right is right, unfortunately that isn't the way of the world.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Yes, you missed it...I'll try to find the Preston link.
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Name:
Thunny
Comment: Carlton, didn't you call me a name much earlier? Does that mean that too was your last resort? You are not consistent at all except in your hatred for black people and your poorly thought out "columns".
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Name:
yunvme
Comment: herbs got wrecked.. herbs got wrecked. nah nah nah nah nah. LoL. Tell us herbs will you be able to finish the game out? Can you take this one home for the gipper?
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: A lot of things weren't 'the way of the world' even 10 years ago, but are now. That means things change, albeit slowly. Certain things like I said earlier, may be prevalent are still unacceptable. Drug use and abuse ESPECIALLY in our communities is unacceptable.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: What's right is right is understanding that even though 'right' may not be 'popular' it still is right...all by itself.
Right doesn't need company...just truth.
Right is right and the law is the law.
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musbdherbs
Comment: I'm sorry...you wrecked me? I'm unfamiliar w/that. I know u can't even remotely be suggesting that you "won" in a debate w/me. You can't be. You just can't? YOU of all people CAN'T be saying that..and if you are..stop playin. That's almost impossible. There is no intellectual fight that you've won today..because there was no intellectual article written. Anyone reading this board can clearly see that. *scratching head* Now if you want to have one of those...write an intellectual article. Thankth!
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Name:
nylaconnect
Comment: dude you keep saying the law is the law.have you ever heard about laws being repealed because they were bad laws ie slavery
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Name:
Thunny
Comment: So Carlton, if the law still said that black men were 3/5 of a man, you would still be pratling about "the law is the law" huh? This nicca has the consistency of water!
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Uh...this wasn't a sit in...this was the importation of drugs, don't get it twisted.
And here is your link.
http://www.eurweb.com/story/eur26881.cfm
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Name:
Thunny
Comment: I can't believe Carlton thinks his "column" on EUR is intellectual in the slightest. Dude is really gassed he writes for EUR. Wow! LOL LOL LOL!!!!
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: And even with the sit-ins...the people were willing to RESPECT the fact that it WAS the law and willingly went to jail and tried to change it through the courts.
This wasn't an act of moral objection, it was simply an addict doing his thang.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: And L.A. Times
And USAToday
And L.A. Sentinel
And Vibe.
Check your Facts.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Hey Thunny...
We agree you don't like me or my work?
And you do what exactly? And you're here reading my work every week why?
Exactly. Can't get enough of it it seems.
I don't remember searching you out, you're looking for me. THAT is very suspect, especially if you're a dude...
Hmmm...and you want to question me? Wow.
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nylaconnect
Comment: thanks for the link.this may not be a sit in,but your views need to be challenged.especially your law is the law stance,because it seems like now you're not willing to be so, one size fits all,even though that what your statement the law is the law expresses
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Thunny
Comment: Anybody can write letters to the editor, Carlton. You are not impressive, and we are not impressed.
And you still didn't answer my question (though I appreciate the "dialogue") about the law. You say the law is the law. Was "the law the law" when blacks were called 3/5 of a man? You're playing yourself homie. The one thing you're good at...
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Uh, 3/5 of a man was the constitutional stipulation, not a law.
You don't even know what you're talking about.
Read and get back to me.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: And the law in question is Dubai's law, not U.S.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: This has been GREAT fun...and it's good to see you guys and ladies read every week.
See you later...
And if you'd like copies of the ARTICLES Thun, I'll be happy to send them to you.
You don't have to be impressed, you just have to justify why you read my work every week.
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Name:
Thunny
Comment: So that would be a yes...? Damn man, you are so mad today! LOL Stop your crying! You're breaking down semantics when you know exactly what I'm talking about, conveniently not answering my question. You are transparent, which is fitting of a man who hates black people.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: I surely don't read yours (other than in MY feedback section.) When you post your first article EVER in life, then we'll talk about writing skill.
Until then...
I'm sure I will have a Pulitzer before you even get an ONLINE article.
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Name:
Thunny
Comment: Damn, get off your own dick, you're not dope. You're not breaking important news. In fact, you're not breaking any news. You get paid probably next to nothing to write this garbage that we have all shredded to pieces today. You've done more backpeddling than a unicyclist. All you've done is contradict yourself and go back against what you previously said and then you've done that some more. You are an unsure and shaky journalist at best.
By the way, Carlton, I too am a journalist, formerly of The Washington Post and now at The New York Times. And I'm still young! You're old and writing for this trash site! I will be in Indianapolis for NABJ August 16. That's where the real journalists of color converge to network on real topics. So bring your little resume there and maybe you can land yourself a real job with benefits and direct deposit and the whole nine. If you're there I promise to come up and introduce myself - before I spit in your face and expose you for the self-hating black man that you are! See you in Nap Town.
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Name:
Thunny
Comment: See Carlton, there you go, assuming again. I have plenty of online and print articles. And I bet I get paid more than you. And I still have my youth on my side. Keep on playing yourself. See you in Indy! That is, if you can afford the registration!
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Great Jayson Blair reads my work.
You are sure worked up for someone who doesn't appreciate my work.
Strange.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Do you have any idea what my day job is? If you did, you would know you're really clowning yourself in the worst way right now.
I mean REALLY clowning yourself.
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Name:
SweetieDarlin
Comment: Morris I truly realize that we accept too much, that was just comment about the current state of affairs period. I truly do not expect anyone not to protest what they find offensive, but you will get a headache expecting the rich to have the same rules as regular folks, that has gone on through history. When I say the way of the world, This would include people voting George Bush in, although he started an illegal war, it's the same reason why people still like R. Kelly in spite the fact he is a pedophile, why Robert Blake didn't go to jail but Scott Peterson did, Why Will Kennedy didn't go to jail for rape but a regular guy understand the same circumstance would, why Ted Kennedy could drive drug, get in an accident that killed a woman and still be a senator, this could go on and on. Basically this is why people are so cynical because we all know the law really isn't the law.
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Thunny
Comment: Herbs, Al, holla atcha boy! Job well done today, gentlemen. Angel also had some very good posts. Sadly, Carlton, I did a Google search on your name and the first thing that came up was my man Jay Smooth at hiphopmusic.com clowning you. You're a joke dude. An online joke. You're nothing more than a freelance journalist who starts sweating when Lee Bailey's check bounces and you don't know what you're going to do to keep the lights in your paroject apartment on.
I encourage everybody here to do a Google search of this fraud's name and see what you come up with. You hot dog niccas get Nathan!
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Name:
Thunny
Comment: Jayson no longer works here, you poor excuse for a journalist. But even people have heard of him. Outside of EUR, NO ONE'S HEARD OF YOU! So "I don't believe you, you need more people".
I'm guessing you won't be at NABJ... HA HA HA!
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: SweetieDarlin...
You are absolutely correct (I wanted to respond to you, but I'm late to get out of here).
In a nutshell, life ain't fair but sometimes fair shouldn't be the determination of what we accept.
I was always told, some fights are not worth fighting, even if you win and some fights you must fight, even if you lose.
The state of our communities is such we must fight for the riddance of drugs and lawlessness.
We're not talking civil rights like 'some' are trying to equate this with. We're talking common sense.
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Name:
Thunny
Comment: Carlton, I know you don't work for The Times or The Post so there is no way possible I could be clowning myself.
And you're so ready to put Dallas Austin in jail and throw away the key but what would have happened if that was the case for Nathan McCall, a former TWP-er and former felony convict? Thank goodness he was afforded second chances for offenses far worse than possession of cocaine in a foreign land. But using your logic McCall didn't deserve any compassion at all, huh?
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: No one's heard of me...and you're too afraid to reveal your name? You're laughable. I can't stop laughing at you. You're this great young writer who supposedly formerly worked with the Post and Times (can't keep a job) and can't verify anything supposedly in regards to this great career. And you wrap the idea of a 'great journalist' around the NABJ convention?
You obviously are sick in the head...anybody who writes consistently for the Post or Times isn't checking for the NABJ convention as a litmus test of their authenticity.
Grow up little boy. I'll see you (your rants) in my feedback forum next week.
I obviously own you because you can't help but read my work.
I thank you for my support.
When you verify ONE column you've written, then you can claim journalism. What am I supposed to do...take your word for it?
Whatever child. Keep reading my work.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: I'm dying over here. I never even thought to do a google search. OMG...now publishing an article means you have "writing skills?" WOW! On da real, if you're an accomplished journalist..wouldn't a simple good search turn up something? I mean just something? Morris..do us all a favor, send us the link to where you've published an article...a serious one..not an EUR. Then let us critique your journalism skills. Hopefully, no one reading EUR believes that serious journalists write articles here. In fact, I think the serious one's would conisder it beneath them. Come on stop playin w/yo fabuluth thelf!
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Seriously, I will give you a link to one of my portfolio which has the majority of my published work...dates and publish dates.
Will that suffice?
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Name:
MrsPhoenix
Comment: Thunny, I would like to read some of your work, sir. Would you please reveal your first and last name?
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Herbs, give me an email address and I'll email you the articles.
Unless you want to pay to read through archives that aren't available for free online.
I have the proof, would you like to see mine. And I'm sure you're asking for proof from Thunny too...right?
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Thanks..that'll be great! Uhm..Phoenix..why on earth would someone reveal their identity online in such an open forum? Read your question again and consider if you really meant to ask that.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: No, Mrs. Phoenix is right.
Thunny is claiming he's a writer, he should have ZERO problem revealing he is. If he wants to castigate someone's writing and try to back it up with his 'writing credentials' then he needs to actually VALIDATE those credentials.
Even YOU have to see that this is suspect.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: musbdherbz@yahoo.com. No I haven't because I don't question his ability as a journalist. I've yet to see nething published by him nor has he (prior to today) given any indication of the extent of his work. You have..so that's why i'm interested.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Well since you didn't give me an email addy or anything, here's where you can do your research on your own for starters...You can search the L.A. Times and find these articles.
"Soul Plane, Seriously Misguided"
L.A. Times June 7th 2004
"Why Was BET Left Out of UPN Equation?"
L.A. Times August 28th, 2000
"More Important Issues in Shakur's Death Than Music Label's Success:"
L.A. Times Sept. 23rd 1996
Use those for starters.
Oh, there's also
Duke: Let's Wait and See
L.A. Sentinel April 20, 2006
Now when Thunny comes up with four of his...we can continue this discussion.
These are verifiable with either newspaper or online search through their archives...or I can send hard copies to you.
Next?
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Well then by that argument...thunny should keep quiet until he verifies his credentials.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: So does that mean that anyone telling us about their career, has to validate it through EUR. That has never been the case and I question how that should be standard now. Same response: Morris read your question again and really consider if that makes sense. I don't think any person would want to be "outed" on a message board. It's like telling your boss, yeah this is what I do all day. Come on stop playin..for real. R u 10 now?... GEEZ!
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Name:
CrzyLdy16
Comment: Whew- it is tense in here! FYI- the constitution is the "law of the land."- I'm gonna check out the LA times. Have a good evening.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: No, I'm saying, if someone wants to challenge whether I'm a real journalist and CITES the fact that he/she TOO is a journalist and doesn't substantiate any credentials that he/she put out there, then that means the opinion shouldn't have any weight.
Anybody can CLAIM to be a journalist...but if you're going to check someone and use THAT as a basis for your check...then back it up.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Herbs...
You can't have it both ways. You (a person) can't talk ish and try to deam someone and then allege to be a journalist and cite supposed work history as 'proof' to support their opinion and then hide behind the internet.
Can't have it both ways.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Herbs...
Check your email.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: To Crazy Lady 16
No, the designation of the 'Negro' was not the 'law' of the land, it was the designation HOW the law would be attributed to Negroes. The distinction is relevant here.
The reason being, if that designation were the LAW of the land, then an amendment would be needed for the Bill of Rights. There is an amendment to outlaw SLAVERY which was a law. There was an amendment as to VOTING RIGHTS which was a law.
But there's no LAW as to 3/5 of a man. You are in fact incorrect.
It was a statement included in the constitution as to'non-freed' persons (as 'Negroes) and other non-whites were considered) in TERMS of adjudicating constitutional principles, APPLYING law. It is not a law and was not the LAW of the land. Period.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: The 3/5 Compromise - in order to gerrymander the national election...
"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."
It was about %*$essing taxes and Negroes as "property" not a law THAT Negroes WERE 3/5 by law.
The outlawing of slavery de facto made this portion of the constitution irrelevant as Africans and AFrican-Americans could no longer be deemed as "property."
See the difference? It was never "law."
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Name:
CrzyLdy16
Comment: 3/5 for tax purposes as slaves were property. Correct. Amendment to abolish slavery made the tax call obsolete. Correct. Can't separate the 3/5 and the property designation- interpretation: 3/5 of a man.
Do you have a background in constitutional law?
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Not formally (background)...but I'm not arguing WHETHER Africans/African-Americans were considered 3/5 of a man, that's indisputable.
I only wanted to make the point that law is a 'behavior' never a state of being. To 'break' any law, you must 'do' something or not do. That was all.
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Name:
CrzyLdy16
Comment: Agreed
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Name:
BlackScribe
Comment: I can appreciate the passion of Mo's comments but I have to disagree with him. Drug addiction is a sickness and should be treated as such. THAT"S the problem, especially
here in this country, where drug addicts are treated as criminals. That's the failure of our system, in other industrialized countries, addicts are treated like the sick people they are and are not locked up. Like a lot of other offenders, they are locked up, let out, only to repeat again and again. There is a better way of handling this I think, and it's effective and successful, just do it.
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Name:
JamerDelta
Comment: I really wanted to continue posting on this topic, but when it denigrated into a pissing contest I quit. My advice, boys grow up--that was so silly. Who gives a sh*t if you are young, who makes more money, what conference you're attending etc. This could have been a great discourse about drugs, our attitudes about it, and how our community can handle situations like this and maybe learn something. This is an opinion piece--ours and the writer's. Why make it so personal? Next thing you know, one of y'all will be talking out the side of your neck about how we can't get together as a people. Frankly, I thought it was downright embarrassing for all involved. What's so hard about agreeing to disagree and state your points as adults. Jesus people WAKE UP!!!!
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Name:
wiccar
Comment: JamerDelta. Thank u. Not jus embarrassing but disgusting. Boys need to man up. BlackScribe, agreed, drug addiction of any kind is a disease needing treatment. Jail should stay an option too tho. IMO.
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Name:
HoyaQue
Comment: Bruh, the haters are thick up in this piece. keep standing on that first card and wreck as needed.
good article, it brought to the surface some interesting points of view. my take - you violate the laws of a country, pay the price. there should be no reward for feigning ignorance.
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Name:
cassie811
Comment: WOW! This forum was hot! Morris I agree with many of the comments in your article. It is interesting how the first few days of the incident his PR team were adamant about his innocence. His public statement was nothing more that a senseless blurb of words. He's an adult and knows what consequences are involved where drugs are concerned.
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Name:
cookyd
Comment: AMEN AMEN AMEN!!! Once again you have knocked it out of the park.
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