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ChocolateBrownGa1
Comment: Condi Rice is well seasoned hearing and dealing with racist statements. Growing up during the Civil Rights era or just in America I'm sure that she has heard much worse from people in her own party.
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Brandon
Comment: Gimme a freakin' break!!! I can't believe Lee Bailey allowed this article to be published on a site that has his name attached to it. This article wreaks of bias. First of all, Condi Rice is in a foreign land pushing a doctrine that works in the United States; the idea that those folks should somehow welcome her with "open arms" is ridiculous. Second, what's politically correct in the U.S. has nothing to do with other countries. While their comments may be reprehensible to Americans, those same comments are apparently fine in their nation. Finally, Condi Rice has a job to do. While I disagree with quite a large number of her political views, she already knows "what she's up against." Besides, they've said much worse about other U.S. dignitaries.
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Ilikeplumprumps
Comment: Don't worry Condi, the lover of plump rumps has got your back. I mean I would like to get your back. Err...what I meant to say is from the waist down you are slamming, and that sexy hair style is driving me wild. What? You play the piano too? Well play on baby...sitting at that piano showing those pretty thighs...wheeeew! G-Dub, I envy ya!
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bigfriend
Comment: Okay, the point of this story? She is a "Black Woman" she actually is a "black spinster" as she has never been married and with no kids, I mean she is black . I guess they could be construed as trying to be degrading terms but if they are true I do not think they are racist- that term is used tooooo loosely these days. Now if they called her a big lipped n-word or something similar that is another thing. Story has no base to me.
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Story2tell
Comment: I aree with the overall sentiment of the board. I don't think calling her a "black spinster" was racist. However, I gotta wonder about the giving birth to a moneky cartoon...
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karamelky
Comment: THIS IS SCARY.
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McNasty
Comment: I too agree - where's the story here? How do they think people are going to react to the messengers of the rethuglicans? Par for the course and it hasn't said anything that isn't true. I think someone wants us to get up in arms over the racial disparities over there and rally behind condi - not gonna happen she's a bushwoman.
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FineBrown
Comment: which is exactly why Bush put her out there..why does she have to represent--where are the "big-whigs" when it comes down to taking the heat for this mess we are in? How come sisters are the strong ones, taking the heat, the slurs for the situation that others put this country in...oops...didn't mean to go that far....
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TJthemilitant
Comment: There's not too many derogatory terms they can use against Condi without describing themselves..there are just as "dark" as we are! And trust me, they know the deal about how people of color are treated here in AmeriKKKa!
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SpelmanRho
Comment: I don't give 2 d$#!s about how they've talked about Condi. What I DO care about is the fact that none of the Arab countries have publicly condemned the actions of the Sudanese government in Darfur. Until I hear that, neither the PLO nor the Lebanese get any sympathy from me or phone calls to my congress people about their situation.
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musbdherbs
Comment: I'm a little confused. Where is the bias in the argument? It leans towards what? I didn't think it was a matter of it "they" find it racist..it was that the US would find that racist. If those statements were made by a non-black person here in the US..I think they would be deemed such. Doesn't bother me tho..she has 2 sleep in her own bed at night...not me. From my understanding the "monkey business" refers to the idea that Condi wants to promote the "birth of the middle east." There is a belief in other parts of the world that jews are descendants of monkeys and pigs. Thus, the caricature.....
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musbdherbs
Comment: Spel...whew! Did u just use a vulgar term? Let me throw some EUR holywater on you woman!..lol
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YLawdY
Comment: Racism? I don't see it. I think somebody (who shall remain nameless) is trying to play the race card FOR us to promote hostility towards the Palestinians. Not buying into it.
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DCGG
Comment: Oh gimme a mofo break...why is this news? Is there anyone amongst us that didn't know Condi was a black bytch?? Personally I thought the Arabs were being far to kind to her pinky and the brain lookin azz...
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MER82
Comment: The terms are definitely racist as to their intent, they know what they are doing with the use of those terms--however, its nothing new under the sun to most of us because we truly cannot rally behind this "Thomasina." And we already know that because of white America, people the world over view blacks in a negative light to begin with. If Condi didn't know, she better ask somebody, she will always be black first and considered a N---a by most others--- no matter what her accomplishments.
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MistaO
Comment: SpelmanRho - How refreshing!!! I thought I was the only Black folk out here who finds it absolutely absurd that some black people out here all up in arms about the middle east, palestine and what not, but have no holler at all for what them arabs are doing to OUR people in the Sudan! Word, just love conscious sisters AND brothers and Lord knows there are far too few of us out here. Far as I'm concerned they can bomb the crap out of that whole region and turn that sand into glass, bring our boys and girls home, drop gas bacc to .89 a gallon and call it a day.
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MistaO
Comment: Oh and Condi? What eva man. Aint like she considers herself Black anyways, now tell me I'm lying. I give Laura Bush more props any day cause see, she understands the power of a traditional woman and trust and believe, she yeilds more power than the single, "I don't need no man" Condi. Think about it.
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QueenNefertina
Comment: These comments are 'mild' in my opinion to what they could be given what she represents in that country. Also, Arabs were the first invaders into Africa enslaving Africans and are still doing so in places like the Sudan, so really as far as their racism toward 'Blacks' that is 'old news' and should only surprise the 'uninformed'.
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LAWW
Comment: I'm sure Miz Condi is well aware that if she is to carry her mastahs water, she will also have to take the blows intended for him. One thing about politics outside of America, there are no punches pulled, they say what they mean, and mean what they say. Unlike here in the US, they don't say what they mean, at least not out loud, and they don't follow through on what they promise. Finally, Miz Condi has been called worse things from people walking up and down the halls of the White House.
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JHD3rd
Comment: Wow. I knew this site was the bastion of Democrats, but the previous comments just solidified that theory. I wonder if the comments would have been the same if she were a Democrat?
I know all of you would probably be singing a different tune if it was Trent Lott that made the "Black spinster" statement or if the New York Times ran the caricature of her giving birth to a monkey. I am sure I will be on the receiving end of many insults after this post, but whether you agree with the Arab press article being racist or not, it is evident that certain elements of the Middle East region have no love for anything or anyone that is from the "West".
One more thing, I voted for Clinton both times, but doesn't anyone find it odd that he NEVER appointed any African Americans to any high profile posts? You can make all the Uncle Tom comments you want about Secretary Rice (as she should be referred to at all times) and Colin Powell, but the Secretary of State is the most important and vital role in dire situations such as the one in the Middle East right now. The fact that she is Black and a Woman is actually a phenomenal event. She may not solve all the problems in that region that go back for centuries, but to have someone like her as the point person should at the very least be respected even if you don't agree with her idealogies. As a note to those who will undoubtedly insult my post because of an extremely sensitive disposition (Mr. Herbs), please make your insults original and sprinkled with a tad bit of intelligence, if possible.
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JHD3rd
Comment: To all readers of my post. Please excuse the typos.
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EdnaMae
Comment: LMBAO! good for them, whatever they want to call her they should, i only draw the line at the "n-word" and since she does not hink of herself as black, and nor does she care about the plight of blacks here or in africa, she is as bad as the gop that she so proudly represents and needs to be reminded that outside of the oval office she ain't nothing but a black woman, and one who really needs a good hairdresser, those white salons just can't do a thing with that hair.
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Victornator
Comment: EdnaMae, how do you know Condi does not consider herself black? There are a lot of "blacks" here who do not care about the plight of blacks (like the ones who shot those three women at that Jermaine Dupree shindig.
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musbdherbs
Comment: ATTENTION EURLAND: Please re-read my 1st post. Afterwards, ask urself "what is different in my position on the use of the terms (directed towards condi) as opposed to JHD3rd (whoever that is by the way). Then wonder..what was his/her post about, y is he/she orgasmically challenging people to challenge him/her, and WHY single me out! There's something amiss here!
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Ho_Lee_Mackeral
Comment: Duhhh, Yes she's black... & a spinster.... What else is new?
Could they be hatin' on her Corretta Scott hairdo?
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Alhaq
Comment: I wonder if SpelmanRho and MistaO know what color the Janjaweed raiders of the settled peoples of Darfur are? I'll tell you: they're as black as the people they're attacking. You're making a big mistake by confusing "racial" politics and identity with social and economic. And, for your information, there have been protests against the Sudanese government's despicable policies in Darfur in Beirut and Ramallah, and activism deploring these policies among Arab-American organizations in the United States and Europe.
As for your acceptance of Israeli crimes against Paletinians and Lebanese, let me remind you of a couple of things: First Israel is a blatantly racist society that actively discriminates against its dark-skinned, Jewish, population. Whether of Middle Eastern or African descent, these peoples have been shoved into the most isolated settlements and given the worst housing, education, and job opportunities. So why the airlifts of so called "Falashas" from Ethiopia so many years ago? Some of it was humanitarian - though it would have been more humane if they decided to help all Ethiopian and Eritrean brothers and sisters regardless of religion. But, a lot of it was to increase the Jewish population in the historical land of Palestine and to provide more soldiers to oppress Palestinians. Ironically, the orthodox establishment in Israel did not recognize most of these Ethiopians as "Jews" forcing a people who have practiced their religion in the most ancient traditions to "convert" to the European way of Judaism. Two, who was apartheid South Africa, Rhodesia, and occupied-Namibia's greatest ally? ISRAEL. Who did Nelson Mandela thank for all the assistance they provided to the South African liberation stuggle over the decades: the PLO. Learn some history.
And, to QueenNefertina: Arab peoples need to come to terms with past participation in the African slave trade. And, by the way, "Arab" is an ethnic not a "racial" identity. Millions of Arabs are of African blood, and, no, not only the descendants of formerly enslaved peoples. No doubt, however the first enslavers of Africans were Africans, just as the first enslavers of Arabs were other Arabs. Hebrew peoples were in on that ancient racket, too, but that's another story.
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justafu
Comment: It seems like everyone uses the same tactics (violence & racism) to achieve their goals and especially when shyt is going bad for them! I have problems with alot of what they said about Condi and this comes from someone that does have a certain amount of sympathy for Palestine & it's people. What also really bothers me is that black folks on this board dayum near agree with some of that crap as far as their descriptions of her as a black woman! So I would say to you to have the courage to take your BLACK AZZ over their and see won't you get sent back in box even BLACKER!!!
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justafu
Comment: Correction: please insert the word "there" in place of "their"! But hopefully you get the point. Peace.
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KayKay
Comment: Alhaq has made some deep comments, especially along the lines of South Africa's apartheid system being condoned by Israel. The PLO and some of the communist nations actually helped OUR cause. and i agree with quite a few of them. While i am not happy with the 'giving birth to a monkey business', for the most part, i can't even be too mad about this. It saddens me that people of color all around the world can't seem to come together. I hope they understand that Condi does NOT represent most of the Black folk in this country. I know i don't claim her as my Sista. JHD sounds a lot like a Republican (read: a confused n****r). Wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't that guy who made me stop watching "Cosby Show" reruns after Denise got married until after they were written out of the show.
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Victornator
Comment: KayKay, I am not a Republican or a Democrat (do not beleive in "group thinking" mentality). Are you saying that if a black person is a Republican, they are confused and a sellout?
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LAWW
Comment: >Vic.. Black Republicans are confused and sellouts if they adopt the thinking of majority Republicans that "all black folks have to do is stop whining and pleading for handouts and go out and get a job" Which in my humble opinion is like telling a person to pull himself up by his bootstraps, when he has no boots.
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LAWW
Comment: >Vic... I might add also, that Black Republicans are confused and sellouts if they also think that the reason black men out number white men in the prison system despite being less than 13% of the over all population (#'s may be a little off)is because they commit more crime, instead of the reality that is, black men are convicted of more crimes. Their white male counterparts commit just as much if not more crime, yet their conviction rate is far less that that of black men. ther are many more examples of why black republicans may be confused and sellouts, but that would take up more space than this board allows.
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Reds
Comment: We all know the Republicans are white supremacist and therefore hate blacks, so why did they appoint blacks to the most important foreign policy position.
It was a strategic and racist move to use blacks as shields for the anger that should be directed at whites. Collin Powell and Condi were used as a buffer for the anger that should be directed at the Republicans for their white supremacist views. Thus Colin Powel was used to spin the lies for the unjustified attack on Iraq and now they have Condi justifying their supervised ethnic cleansing of Lebanese and Palestinians.
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SpelmanRho
Comment: >Alhaq: If I'm not mistaken, when the UN proposed a resolution condemning the genocide in Darfur, none of the Arab nations signed it, even fought against the resolution. Secondly, reports that I've seen on The News Hours about the genocide in Darfur have EXPLICITLY mentioned that race (as far as those being targeted being non-Arab Sudanese) being a motivating factor. I'm not giving Israel a pass. I’m aware of the history of its existence and its aggression toward the Palestinians. And I am aware that during his term as President Nelson Mandela did not cut off diplomatic ties with Libya because of Libya’s past support of the ANC.. If the citizens in neighboring nations have made noise, it's not reaching their leaders. There has not been any PUBLIC pressure placed the government in Khartoum from the government of its Arab neighbors to quell the violence against its Non-Arab (black African) citizens. I WILL NOT ignore that.
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Ilikeplumprumps
Comment: Hey JHDIII-Stop talking politricks for a second and answer this question: Have you or have you not been checking out Condi's rump, thighs, and legs? C'mon bruh, be honest. Next thing you'll be telling me is that you have a skinny white girl waiting for you at home.
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QueenNefertina
Comment: Alhaq, if you are half as educated on these issues as you try to come off, then you know full well that servitude among Africans was entirely different from the type of Slavery instituted against Africans by non-africans. There have been countless historical records where Africans enslaved in the Amerikkkan and Arab systems and in Africa, expressed that 'themselves', so I don't know why you would try to 'muddy the waters' with that crap about Africans enslaving Africans as if it were the same thing when back then it wasn't. And before you bring up Africans selling Africans into slavery, that's not what this topic is about either. This topic is about Arab and Black peoples relationship and should stay focused on that alone. Although I feel for the palenstinian plight, it does not make me oblivious to Arab racism toward Blacks, something you can witness in any inner city neighborhood where they operate businesses. You seem to be suffering from the same issues that the 'Nation of Islam' does when it comes to criticizing racist actions by Arabs merely because of loyalty to Islam. I take issue with anyone who is racist toward my people regardless of ideology or religion. Arabs need to come to terms with their 'current' racist actions against black people, here and abroad point blank!
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Alhaq
Comment: You're right QueenNefertina, Arabs do need to come to terms with and reject the racisms within their own societies - both in the Middle East, in Africa (some of the Syrian/Lebanese expatriots in west and east Africa are despicable), and here in the United States (we all know of the Arab shop keeper within African-American communities who treats his/her customers like they were barbarians. We also know of people from other communtities, including, I'm afraid, African, who do the same). And, yes, I recognize that the nature of slavery in most African societies was of a different nature than that in the Americas. But, two things to add: the notion of chattel slavery in "Arab" lands is a very modern one - from the 19th century. Its biggest appearances were the Muhammed Ali's newly developing, industrial-based cotton plantations in upper Egypt (Egypt was part of the Ottoman empire at the time and there is scant evidence that Egyptians thought of themselves as Arabs back then) and along the Swahili coast of east Africa, especially the clove plantations of Omani-ruled Zanzibar and Kanu. This does not in anyway excuse chattel-slavery in Arab ruled lands on the continent of Africa - which is where it overwhelmingly took place, just to say that it does not have a long history. Slavery has existed in parts of the Arab world for millennia, but it wasn't racialized, and it was of a different nature from that of slavery in the 19th century. (If anyone wants to further educate me about pre-19th century slavery in Arab lands, please do. Seriously). That said, it would be ignorant to claim that Arab raiders did not participate in the enslavement of black Africans destined for the Americas, just as it would ignorant to claim that black Africans did not also participate in this shameful trade. The reasons for various people's corruptions and cruelties are varied. Greed, self-preservation, chaotic domestic political situations, etc. What I object to is the cavalier categorization of Arab societies being inherently racist, and, by implication, returning to SpelmanRho's point, that the horrors being visited upon Lebanon and Palestine can be ignored. No, they should not be ignored, just like the atrocities in Darfur, Congo, Rwanda/Burundi, Uganda, Polasario, etc. should not be ignored.
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Alhaq
Comment: Continued...
Back to SpelmanRho: are you seriously lumping together the Arab peoples with their corrupt, oppressive, totally unrepresentative governments. That Hosni Mubarak or King Abdullah didn't endorse UN resolutions condemning the Darfur genocide? Hell, they've barely, barely opened their filthy mouths in objection to the current Israeli %*$ault on Lebanon and Palestine. What makes you think they'd say anything about Darfur (which, to repeat, has been protested in different Arab cities and by Arab activists the world over) when they can't say almost anything about an issue that is (for better or worse) much closer to the hearts and minds of their own populations? As soon as one of them objects to Israeli behavior, he's slapped down by the US government and better watch his front and back lest Uncle Sam find an Uncle Tamer to stick a dagger into one of them. Regardless of whatever opportunisms of Col. Qaddafi, the Palestinian people were sincere in their support for anti-Apartheid struggle, recognizing it as analagous to their own. And, they understood the connection between the racist ideology of Zionism and Euro-supremist apartheid on the African continent.
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SpelmanRho
Comment: >Alhaq: I'm not saying that the the violence against the Palestinians should be ignored. I'm saying that I want reciprocity for those who are suffering in Darfur. I empathize with the oppression of the Palestinians under Israel and the United States, but events in Darfur have plainly shown me that this global call to action against those who come against the disciples of Mohammed DOES NOT extend to Black African Muslims (I know that there are violent conflicts between different Muslim sects but again, I contend that Black Africans Muslims are not regarded with the same concern/care in the Arab MusIim world.) I will concede, however that my view with respect to influence of citizens in other Arab countries on the foreign policy decisions of their governments may be skewed because it’s grounded in western methods/ideologies of social protest and governance. I agree with Queen N. Don't call me (or my brethren) a n.i.g.g.e.r and expect my support.
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