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peaceone
Comment: Kim Green you are a ghostwriter hence the name Kim you are not suppose to get the glory,you were paid 45,000 for your job.On the last page of the book Fantasia thanked you for helping her tell her story what else do you want...Oh yeah i forgot you want more money.This was Fantasia's story why did Lifetime need to consult you?
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peaceone
Comment: Now Kim feels she suppose to get free tickets to Fantasia's concerts now, next do you want Fantasia to buy you a house or a car.
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StormyMonday
Comment: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the term "ghost writer" literally meant you were invisible. Basically your indentity is hidden, and you, the ghost writer is cool with that concept. Plus seems like you got paid a nice little sum! As far as burning bridges, well, I think after this article, let's just say not too many calls will come in for "ghost writing" gigs, 'cause you don't know how to stay invisible!
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McNasty
Comment: All of the above! The purpose of a ghostwriter is to get the story told to them down on paper. She wants credit for telling this child's story?! It's not like the story originated with her. It also occurs to me that there are quite a few singers and actors that have had ghostwriters and you have never heard a peep out of them. It's a damn shame that she would come out and tell that this child couldn't read but not tell that after her AI win she went to get help for it. Folk that do this kind of shat don't have very good luck in life.
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MsVanese
Comment: Notice how she keeps saying that Fantasia can't read. "I wonder if she will read her own book" Get over it. The woman is trying to drum up more business for herself. Did she think she should have had someone play her in the movie?
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: Yo...I gotta great idea, Kim Green can write an unauthorize bio of Fantasia ...She ain't gotta worry bout Fan reading it...She can git paid...'cause that's what it sounds like she's trying to do...
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poeticlyspkng
Comment: I have to agree. Her own words portray her as vindictive toward Fantasia. She seems to be mad at Lifetime but she obviously didn't write the screen play for the movie. She obviously didn't understand her role as ghostwriter AND now she sounds like sour grapes for something she signed up to do.
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khufu
Comment: Dang! If this story is true.....GHOSTWRITER BEECH.....whazz wrong wit' peoples?
however I dont think the strory is true....PUBLICITY...as was the story asout Fantasia's dad yesterday
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MOTHERSHIP
Comment: Peaceone and McNasty, I couldn't agree more. Mofo's make me sick. I don't know what more she wants.
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lovelylibra
Comment: Just in time to be added to the lawsuit. Smart move "Ghostwriter."
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thatbklyngirl
Comment: peaceone you hit right on the head. WTF is this chicks problem. she is grimely plain and simple. its a movie about Fantasia's life. WHY THE HELL Would they ask for your insite... God dont like ugly
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Industrypro
Comment: I have known Kim Green for way over a decade. I have not spoken with her in years but I do know that she is a sensible, intelligent black women in the business. I have to agree with her approach based on the fact that Fantasia admitted to the world that she was illiterate(meaning she couldn't read or write a proper sentence.) Therefore co-writer credit, should have been the least they could do. A lot of times in this business people only want to be treated fair. And in my opinion,for whatever its worth, Kim should've received the credit.
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kady
Comment: This chick keeps harping on the fact that Fantasia can't read...okay yeah that's true; however, she doesn't have to keep mentioning it to make herself look good. You didn't do Fantasia any favors...and you're not the only ghost writer out there ya dig.....so be glad that you got the opportunity to help write her story and received a nice pay check for it and keep on steppin'...
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McNasty
Comment: So Industrypro, you think Kim should get credit for simply putting pen to paper? Co writer to me means she's part of the story - you know, actually had something to add.
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Fran
Comment: Industrypro, it is clear that Kim Green is upset that the book is doing well and more money was pumped out through the movie and all she got was $45,000. In any event, I thought maybe she was white. But it is even more depressing and low down for another sister to emphasize the illiteracy of Fantasia. She is trying to get in a cheap shot for a buck that she is not worth clearly. Next time Kim should get a lawyer and READ and NEGOTIATE her own contract; so that she wont feel so stupid for writing a blockbuster and end up getting chump change for the profit. But I agree with everyone else, I hope she does not get another gig. She's a sell-out.
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SoopDawwg
Comment: Are you people even reading the article? Her problems isn't with the book it's with the Lifetime movie.
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AquaBoogie
Comment: Normally I don't react when Black folks act a fool, b/c their foolishness is no reflection on me. But this is ridiculous -- first her father is trippin', now this!
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Industrypro
Comment: McNasty, putting pen to paper is only a small part of it. Do you think that Fantasia talked and Kim wrote what Fantasia said. If only it was so simple.
Fran, Kim is not trying to "get in a cheap shot for a buck." It appears to me that Kim wants something that is normal and fair in these situations. Look at this way with songwriting, a lot of songs have more than one writer and whats wrong with sharing credits when the work is done by various parties. In this situation it looks like Kim wrote the book and was only asking for co-writing credit when Fantasia made her illiteracy public because then it becomes ridiculous that a woman who has admitted that she can't read has written a book.
The one point that a lot of y'all are missing is that Kims credit was being renegotiated after Fantasia made her illiteracy public knowledge.....
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gingerg
Comment: She doesn't deserve anything other than a courtesy mention from Lifetime unless she wrote the screenplay. Any way, sister does not have to worry about anyone asking her to ghost write anything else.
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thisisme
Comment: This woman is trying to get another check. Plain and Simple. Did she say Lifetime didn't consult her? Consult her for what, she doesn't even know Fantasia. Fantasia said they sat together for 4 days and she told Kim the story, does Kim think that in those 4 days she became a part of the Barrino family?
This woman is not a co-author, she is a ghostwriter. What part of the story did she add? Could she have written the book without Fantasia? No. She needs to be happy with the $45,000 she was paid. Since she feels like she went above and beyond, maybe Fantasia's daddy should add her name to that $10 million lawsuit. I bet you she would get somewhere and sit down then.
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chocdiva
Comment: This lady sounds crazy. She was a ghostwriter, not the author. And her trying to insult Fantasia with all the remarks about her illiteracy is just foul. I can read and write, but does that mean I can author a book? Even if it's about my life, it takes a certain skill to be able to contruct a book. I hope she doesn't get a thin dime. She got her $45K, and she should have kept it moving. Now she wants to throw shade on a situation she got herself involved in. Industrypro, you need to talk to your girl cause she's on the ledge. LOL Stupid is as stupid does. And that's all I have to say about that.
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Gurlfrand
Comment: >AB - that's because the papers is flowing and people want to get paid - whether they deserve a piece of the pie or not. Let some big paper start rolling to you and see don't everybody in your family, friends, relatives, inlaws, outlaws, and people you ain't seen in 40 years come crawling out of the woodwork wanting some of it cause, "when you were 4 or 5 years old, they took you to the dentist and paid the bill." People are people, and the worst in human nature always surface when shyt starts happening.
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ShadowKnows
Comment: As long as the publisher honored the contract, Kim got was she negotiated. If she didn't want to be a ghost writer, she shouldn't have signed the contract. If the situation changed mid-contract(i.e. she found out Fantasia was illiterate) she should have renegotiated the contract, if she wanted different terms. Sounds like sour grapes to me.
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Exmun
Comment: @ Industrypro. The problem with Ms. Green's argument is that she didn't WRITE the screenplay for the TV Movie. So her beef with not being consulted is totally irrelevant and stupid. She isn't a part of the story. She WROTE the BOOK. Some other writers wrote the screenplay for the TV Movie. She didn't and should have no claim to any of that story. Maybe she's miffed because she didn't get a shot to write the screenplay. But either way, that Lifetime TV's call. Her breach of confidences after the fact is more than sour grapes... it's spoiled milk.
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queeniebunz
Comment: I think this woman is making a grave mistake. She has basically committed professional suicide. What she SHOULD have done was remain quiet and use the success of this project to get more work and negotiate a better deal the next time. Knowing she can write a bestseller will make people take notice of her and pay her more for the next project. It is the same with actors. They don't get paid much for their first gigs but once they have proven themselves, their stock goes up and so does their salary. She got greedy and didn't think. To whom it may concern, I'm available to write your story and I'll keep my mouth shut! LOL!
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Insider2
Comment: A ghostwriter's purpose is to agree to stay invisible and in the background. Obviously, this one wants fame and recognition. I don't agree with her gripes but I DO AGREE WITH ONE GHOSTWRITER. The girl Tracy who wrote the COLDEST WINTER EVER for Sister Souljah. Jada bought the rights from Sista for nearly a million and Souljah would not break the ghostwriter off. Don't blame Tracy for not writing the sequel. That's why in nearly seven years, readers have yet to read a sequel to the COLDEST WINTER EVER. Known writers even use ghostwriter, with the exception of Tracy, they get paid and stay invisible.
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Angel
Comment: Industrypro - If Kim Green was uncomfortable being a ghostwriter after finding out that Fantasia was illiterate, then, at that point, she should've walked away from the project if they refused to give her a co-writer credit. She signed an agreement that probably said that Fantasia would tell her the story and she would write it, if not she should pursue breach of contract. As for the movie, it's about Fantasia's life, so Fantasia probably sat down with someone, just like she did with her, and that writer wrote the screen plan. Why would they need Ms. Green's incite?!? Anecdotes?!? WTF?!? You don't think they could ask Fantasia? It was her life. I think she's the best person to give incite and anectdotes. Ms. Green would just be second hand information. Fantasia is not dead. They can ask her all of those questions. Next time, instead of clowning somebody about their ability to read, she might want to spend more time reading her own contract and understanding that.
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AlwaysaDem
Comment: Kim Green, please get over yourself and look up the word "ghostwriter." What a bunch of caca.
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goodnplenty1957
Comment: let me see: i write a song.. someone pays me this much money for the song. end of story. now this song makes BIG money. now should i go back to the person i sold the song to and go, "wait you gave me this much, and the song made THIS much, you should give me more money?"...sounds like someone needs to do a better job in negoitations.
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Gemami
Comment: All I can say if she wants to be recognized Fannie's father need to recognize her in his lawsuit. Sue her silly azz. Sometimes it *pays* to 'get ghost'.
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Grace
Comment: Kim Green is a donkey!
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musbdherbs
Comment: Well at least people aren't condemning Fantasia for her illiteracy, baby momma'n, and singing as they too often have on EUR. *whew*
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NYC1
Comment: One question: Did Kim Green know that Fantansia was illiterate before she accepted the ghostwriting job? If so, then she has nothing to complain about. Kim Green didn't handle her business right. She should have negotiated a co-writer credit BEFORE she signed on to ghostwrite the book.
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whateveman
Comment: Good day people I just had to comment on this. Let me just say that being illiterate means one can not read or write but in Fantasia's case I believe she said she was a functional illiterate meaning she can read and write but just not where she should be reading since she dropped out of school. And from what I gather if old girl was the ghost writer then she got her check now move on. She is just mad because she had a book doing great then a movie and she probably wants a piece of the movie credit as well. Boy when you are doing good the devil has a way of getting involved.
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naulaj
Comment: i thought a "ghost writer" knows that no one will know they wrote the book. hence the term ghost writer. first Daddy now this woman. por Fantasia,looks like they're coming out of the woodworks. geesh
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khufu
Comment: INDUSTRYPRO...if a person signs a contract that says "Ghostwriter" they cant come back later ans redefine contract for a "Co-writer" credit
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khufu
Comment: goodnplenty..it aint really that simple......i can write a song and you can license the rights to reproduce the song but I still own the song...
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khufu
Comment: here are some terms folks should know...licensing...copyright.......derivative rights...ancillary rights.....option.....let's start there
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Name:
khufu
Comment: here...if she entered into the agreement as a Ghost Writer....and started the writing as a Ghost Writer...it didnt matter if the girl was illerate or not....
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Name:
khufu
Comment: here is another term "work for hire"
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Name:
khufu
Comment: LOL illiterate
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Name:
khufu
Comment: damn I cant wait to get into law school so I can become representative for these folks...okay Miss Green doesnt have an agent? Unless her contract stated that she would be used as an advisor, why would she expect Lifetime to consult her? IT'S ALL IN THE CONTRACT PEOPLE!!!!! and IF IT AINT IN THE CONTRACT IT DONT EXIST
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Exmun
Comment: By definition a hired "ghost writer" is producing a "work for hire" and has no copyright interest in the underlying work regardless of the extent of their participation in creating the work. Once they are paid, that's it. Frankly, I'm surprised that Simon & Schuster didn't have a longer period of confidentiality. If her period of silence ended recently, that would essentially mean that the nondisclosure period was like 2 years. One would presume that that period should be a bit longer than that.
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Name:
leeneepoo
Comment: Angel,
YOU GOT DOWN ON THAT ONE....she does need to take the time to READ AND UNDERSTAND her own contracts instead of....like someone said throwing SHADE...WTF
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Name:
STELLABABY
Comment: while i agree with most of you as far as ms.green being a ghostwriter.but i
also think that your all missing the point that she made was that this book
is being advertised as if fantasia wrote it and she did not.THE POINT IS
THAT FANTASIA BARRINO CANNOT READ OR
WRITE .AND FOR ME I THINK THAT IS SO IMPORTANT TODAY,SO I WONDER WHO READ HER CONTRACTS FOR HER AND HELPED HER TO COMPREHEND WHAT THEY SAY AND MEAN.I'M
NOT MAD AT MS.GREEN,AND I HOPE YOU FOLKS WON'T BE MAD.THESE DAYS IT'S ONLY
THE IMMIGRANTS WHO CANNOT READ,WRITE OR
SPEAK ENGLISH.BUT IT IS GOOD THAT FANTASIA IS BEING TUTORED,BUT SHE HAS A
LONG WAY TO GO.PEACE AND BLESSINGS
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McNasty
Comment: Angel, love your post girl!
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McNasty
Comment: StellaBaby Fantasia told the world she was a functional illiterate but that she has since taken the steps necessary to rectify her situation. Functional illiterates find ways to do what the rest of us learned to do early on. Now she may have needed assistance in writing this book but Ms. Green is way off base and totally out of order and we need to pay closer attention to what others are saying cause half these posts continue to insist that that child just scraight cannot read - not so!
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khufu
Comment: EXMUN that's why I think it was publicity stunt
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MRSDENNIS2B
Comment: I agree w/NYC!...Kim Green should have negotiated any future earnings, (movie, tv deals, etc)long before the book or movie even came out. If she's been writing for years, you think she would already no this!!!! Next time, handle yo bi-niss girl!
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MRSDENNIS2B
Comment: Oh, I forgot.....As far as her even mentioning Fantasia's illiteracy, SO F**KN WHAT! She's literate enough to get as far as she's gotten by surrounding herself with positive friends & family to assist her with her reading! Move on to your next "victim" Ms. Green, and live Fantasia alone....she got some more money to make!!!!!!!!
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Exmun
Comment: @ khufu. It could possibly be a publicity stunt, but revealing herself is practically shooting oneself in the foot as far as future ghostwriting jobs. If it is a stunt, it's a foolish stunt. And like some folks said above it will subject Ms. Green to potential liability in the lawsuit that was filed by 'Tasia's father. Any reasonable work for hire contract should have a provision where S&S indemnified Ms. Green from potential liability, but ... contracts are broken every day, especially when said ghostwriter goes off and blabs about her role in the book.
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FreeMswhite
Comment: that pic of usher at the top is sooooo cute... Really,.not to get off subject but look at that face....he ugly now though
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KayKay
Comment: No comment regarding Ms. Green, because everyone else has said everything that needs to be said about it. Sister Souljah DIDN'T write "The Coldest Winter Ever " ????? I had no idea. I'm very surprised she didn't pay the ghostwriter ! THAT'S the story I want to hear about ! I don't think i'll be viewing SS the same way after this.
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PositiveBlack
Comment: I don't have a problem with Ms. Green. She kept quiet during the period of nondisclosure, and held up her end of the deal. Now...hey, all bets are off.
The reality is that if that book wasn't a well written intriguing story, then there would be no Lifetime movie. I don't think she wants money...she wants the credit she deserves. When you're the creative force behind something, you just want your contribution to be recognized and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
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kingme
Comment: they are coming out like cockroaches now that she is going places that they didn't think she was going. it's a shame how people do when they can't make it on their own!!! shame on you Kim. you need to repent and ask for forgiveness. Fantasia needs to invest in some hater-ade and leech repellant fast.
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legendary1
Comment: I understand that Fantasia can't read. It's a shame and probably embarassing to her. But she can TALK! Why would she need a ghostwriter to tell her story if she can TELL it to Lifetime herself. Plus, they read the book. Your services were appreciated, Kim Green, but you are no longer need. Stop trying to pat yourself on the back. Go spend that money and find a job because no one else is going to want you as a ghostwriter after the controversy you have caused with this one.
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