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missgee
Comment: He's an ignorant Jackass, who's career is in the toilet.
I think the Black community should boycot every show he does.
And the guy in the audience was right when he told him he couldn't get a job and hasn't work since Seinfeld and from what I understand he waan't funny on that show either, I never watched it.
I think part of the problem is with some of the black comedians using the n-word so much in there routines it makes them think it's ok to use it.
As far as I'm concerned it's not ok for anybody to use the word because that's no what we are, never have been and never will be.
That word came from hate and it's used to degrade a race of people and as long as our own people use it, those ignorant %*$!(@!( will think it's ok to use.
He probably thought this would get his
career started again, remember all the publicity Mel Gibson got by hurling racial slurs at the cop.
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FiveMore
Comment: This tirade does not suprise me one bit.Jews have closeted feelings of hatred and angst towards the African American community.Although they appear to be your friends, they are setting you up while smiling in your face.Russell and Jay should come to their senses and realized that these people are active participants in the downfall of the African American COMMUNITY."Everything done in the dark is coming to the light!"How can this idiot make such studid comments about America's violence against innocent African American people? Nobody made a comment on Hitler's genocidal antics perpetuated against the Jews and other dessenters in Eastern Europe.Does he know why his hair is that curly?What an idiot!America is a racist and evil country.The posters were reared to believe this ignorant nonsense is o.k.!Jews were active participants in slavery, too!Oprah, Jay, and Russell better not speak up for him either!Seinfeld was an anti- black show any way!
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fanteeking
Comment: >MissGee & Fivemore: The only good thing that could come from this disgusting episode of rabid racism and bigotry is that it would show a lot of these 'rappers' tha hatred and rage from which this word came. The next time they think about using this word to sell a CD, they'd see a picture in their minds of this idiot yelling N****er on stage. SWOOOOSH!!! (The sound of his acting career going down the toilet) I, too, never watched Seinfeld. Their humor and our humor is miles apart. I didn't see nuthin' to laugh about!!!
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jboy
Comment: After Kramer's interview (via satellite) on Letterman, I believe that it's safe to say that the guy is a little unstable (mentally). He was rambling on & on about how bad race relations were in the U.S. since hurricane Katrina & so forth. All of a sudden I feel like Mad Max in The Thunderdome movie when he finally knocked the big brute (Blaster) to the ground and took off his helmet and realized that Blaster was a Downs Syndrome person. I no longer feel anger toward the guy, just pity. I just want to slowly walk away and try to forget what I've just seen.
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Lovely
Comment: I wonder if this gets the same media attention as Mel Gibson's Jewish tirade... DOUBT IT!! But I do know I won't be buying season 7 of Seinfeld on DVD this Christmas and I'm going to try to sell the other seasons on Ebay... I don't want this man to profit from one cent of my money.
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shakaz0117
Comment: I had heard that he was a racist years ago.
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Prubin40
Comment: I know this is a big deal but I think it's the real life situation that we need to be worried about. His career hasn't been that great since Seinfeld went off the air. Everybody else has done things but he hasn't. When I saw this on tv last night it reminded me of a situation that just happen to me. I was on the phone with a yt co-worker that I've know for 10 years and she was talking about a pot-luck dinner at work. She was told to get the chicken so it could be cook for the assiocates. Well, word got out that she didn't wash the raw chicken and the black folks weren't having that. Well, she was on the phone talking to me and called one of the managers a Black %*$!(. She might as well called her a N---er. I know she's prejudice since I've know her. It always kills me when yt doesn't think we know that they are prejudice. Mr. Richards can say he's sorry for saying it but if you saw the tape you can tell he meant every word. His problem now is that everybody knows how he feels but what can you do? I love Seinfeld and watch it every morning. I probably will keep watching it just like I still talk to the racist co-workers.
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Prubin40
Comment: That's Black B i t ch.
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MelodyCool
Comment: Plenty of whites are just like Kramer and must be fuming since he let the cat out of the bag. Those blacks who constantly use the N-word embolden whites and other minorities and they are using it too. I saw an article where a white teacher used it when speaking with black students. They are also aware of divisions in our community and will keep exploiting them. It's only gonna get worse.
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Selah
Comment: Mel Gibson spewed racial slurs and he caught hell for it. Michael Richards does something equally as horrible and he hasnt received the negative media as Mr. Gibson. EUR won't print foul language on our feedback comments, but allows them to appear on the main page? Inconsistent.
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Platinum
Comment: This garbage was all over the news, I have never ever seen any of Seinfeld shows, and as far as I'm concern Richards can keep his apology. Not that I care but Richards is a racist and a bold one at that. All the hell he’s catching from this he rightfully deserves, now who has the fork up their azz. LOL
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McNasty
Comment: This must be the year of the freudian slip for white men - they've spent more time this year apologizing for racial remarks than at any time in recent memory! When I saw his stand up on cnn the few jokes he was supposed to be telling weren't even close to funny, he was rambling and then the heckler said something and he let fly with nicca! During his apology I kept thinking any moment this fool is gonna slip into his kramer character - he has problems far beyong using nicca - man doesn't appear to be always grounded in reality and now I don't think he'll have much of a comedy career to hang on to - I would feel sorry for him, but I can't.
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fanteeking
Comment: Platinum: "Now who has de fork up de azz!" I'm gonna be laughing about yo post all day! That wuz so funny not Seinfeld funny but Uncle Willie C. and Aunt Gussie Mae funny!"
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jboy
Comment: MelodyCool: I wouldn't be too sure about those type being mad that he "let the cat out". If anything, I was surprised [read: SHOCKED]at how many 25/20's logged into blogs & such stating SUPPORT for what he did. those supporting him were saying things like if it's OK for Chris Rock & Chappellle to say Ni&&ER in their comedy acts what's wrong with Kramer doing it. The ones that were mad were the ones writing in telling them they were IDIOTS if they couldn't see the difference between something said in humor and something said in obvious rage.
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MDhornet
Comment: I could care less about the man's apology. His comments at the club were not made in jest and it would seem they came from his heart, so as far as I'm concerned he showed himself to the world that night. As for black folk, I don't know when we'll wake up and quit trying to humanize a word that has not humanity. I cringe whenever I hear that word used. I think it's such a slap in the face to all who died at the hands of people shouting that word at them. I don't care how many As you put on the end of the word. It's still hateful. Folk like to use Richard as an example of someone who used the word a lot, but Richard later erased it from his vocabulary once he became enlightened. More of us need to come to our senses. How can you take a word that was used with such hatred and try to turn it into a term of endearment. Makes absolutely no sense.
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ChakaTee
Comment: It's not his use of the word 'niccah' that got me %*$!ed off, because that's how they ALL feel about us anyway. But what %*$!ed me off was his saying "if it was 50 years ago, I could have you arrested. And 50 years ago you were hanging from the trees". What he was meaning was that 50 years ago, all a white person had to do was tell a lie on a Black person and that person was sent off to prison and/or hung from trees. And what he's saying is because he's white, he would have been able to get away with doing things like that BECAUSE he was White!
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MDhornet
Comment: ChakaTee, a lot of folk seem to be skipping over that part.
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archcookies
Comment: First of all although this was an unexpected incident it is not unusual with the climate of disrepect that is displayed in entertainment all the time. I for one don't like stand-up comics and let me go on record to say our black comedians are not excluded. I find it offensive that the comedian can't rely on their comedic abilities but results in objectifying someone in the audience and making them the brunt of their jokes, that is mean spirited and uncalled for. If our people would stop using the "N" word it might give other ethic groups pause before using it. Mr. Richards was funny on the Seinfeld show and I loved the character Kramer but I have lost all respect for this man and don't ever plan to support any of his endeavors. We have put ourselves in this box, we use "N" in our music it is part of the dialogue for major motion pictures, we use it in our comedy routines, so really, white people don't get it (why it is so offensive) and evidently we don't either. I am sick of all of this but let's not heap coals on the head of Michael Richards when we use the word so casually in our everyday discourse.
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ImJustAsking
Comment: I disagree that blacks who use the n-word embolden whites. That's something that white people WANT you to believe so they can do things like...ah...revive Michael Richards career. Or, say, restore Trent Lott to a leadership position in the House after the comments he made at Strom Thurmond's b-day party. It's like Chris Rock said, white people have 32948320984302 billion other words they can say, but some CHOOSE to say N!gger. Personally I'm glad if a white person slips and calls somebody a n!gger that way I know who I'm dealing with. It doesn't make me angry, it makes me thankful for acquiring another piece of useful information. The use of certain words does present an interesting discussion though. If you read books by southern white authors they always point out that in their households they were taught to never ever EVER say N!gger b/c it simply wasn't proper - yet they and their families were just as racist as ever. So on the one hand words are power but on the other hand what is unspoken is key.
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phillytay
Comment: stop reporting he was heckled. they were actually cheering for him and he flipped. even if he was heckled a GOOD comedian has a comeback i.e. "I don't interrupt you when yu're suckin d----". What a loser. But now you see how white people really feel.
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thechocolate10
Comment: chakatee>you are sooo right
a true comic could have brushed the hecklers off and come up with some good stuff but he obviously isnt a real comic just some one who can deliver scriped lines well
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ImJustAsking
Comment: While I'm thinking about this, for all the people who use words like "yt" or "pank" or "cracker" regularly or whatever your derogatory word of choice is for white people (whether you consider yourself to be racist/prejudiced or not), if you started your own business or were an entertainer would whites be justified in boycotting your show or not buying your product after finding that you used those words? Historical context aside, and all discussions about who can and cannot be a racist based on power aside, demeaning words are demeaning words...
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trini2dbone
Comment: I could care less about what Kramer said. I can't change the way he thinks no matter how much I try. I'm more worried about that Racist Trent Lott who just reclaimed in position in the Senate. He's capable of doing more damage to me than ol Kramer.
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archcookies
Comment: >IJA I am not trying to be argumentative but I do think our casual use of the word prompt other people to think it's okay to use it. We have dug this hole for ourselves (the use of the "N" word) and although I know there are millions of people that think like Mr. Richards, the use of the word in entertainment has made other people feel it's okay---we use it to identify ourselves, we call our enemies "%*$!(@" so why can't the whites use the word? Sorry we don't get off scott free and throw all the blame on the whites we every other word out of the mouths of countless blacks is "%*$!("
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Angel
Comment: ImJustAsking - There are 32948320984302 billion other words that African Americans can use, too, instead of saying the N-word, but for some strange reason some of us embrace it like it's our favorite uncle. Michael Richards is an idiot--no doubt. I'm more bothered by his other comments than the use of the N-word. However, I've heard worse on this board about practically everybody....white, black, hispanic, women, dogs......
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moodring100
Comment: TRINI2DBONE>>I just can't understand how he keeps winning //
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archcookies
Comment: There was a time when blacks would not use the word n!gger in the presence of non-blacks those days are long gone, it is a popular term use by use casually every single day, if we use it why can't they? That's the questions, and before anybody attacks me I don't for one minute think that what this man did was alright---but we have a double standard, we don't want anybody else to use the word but we use it all the time---I used public transportation for years and I got so sick of OUR young men and women using that word often and loudly---if we expect respect from others we have to show respect for ourselves which we aren't doing a very good job of.
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DCGG
Comment: Co-Sign Trini2dbone - mothafuvk Kramer - hell I didn't even know who the%*$!(@!( was till all this hoopla - quit fanning the flames and pay attention to Trent Lotts openly racist azz...
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Arch and Angel< It really doesn't bother me that black people have a word that we say amongst each other that white people shouldn't have a need or desire to say. Words develop different meanings over time and I am fully comfortable with N!gga been used among my family and friends. That is something that blacks will never agree on of course, and we dont have to agree b/c there are bigger things to worry about. My point is, lots of people saying a word doesn't necessarily tempt another person to use it. I'm on this board quite often and the words I said earlier (pank, yt etc) are FREQUENTLY used and NEVER ONCE have I been tempted to utter them myself. I find them demeaning. When I hear someone else debase another group it doesn't make me want to participate. And I don't think that white people are simple enough to participate in demeaning people based upon what they hear either.
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ImJustAsking
Comment: although, like I said, white people would have you believe that they are influenced by our vocabulary so that they are excused when they support or restore a racist to power.
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YLawdY
Comment: I co-sign with all that say that the deeper insult was his allusions to how his hecklers would have been treated 50 years ago. He said it with such relish that you could viscerally feel he meant it. As far as the N word...we don't need to use it, but if we must, put it back the way it was....only among us. We have to treat the yt/pank/clear/25/20 people like a toddler. If you don't want your baby to say certain words, you don't expose them to those words. Because as every parent knows, even if you say don't say "shyt", that 2 year old is going to say it, probably in the middle of church service. Trent Lott is just a larger, more powerful example of Kramer. I co-sign with IJA, I prefer to know who my would be hangman is.
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GHank
Comment: Hold up...was his audience all black? Black people going to see Kramer? I find that strange.
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Dovelyone
Comment: All I want to know is WHAT did Hurricane Katrina have to do with what he said at the Laugh Factory a YEAR LATER? That's part of the reason why his attempt to apologize does not feel sincere, or at least well thought out.
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Pamalicious
Comment: --- I've read the comments and I believe that most of you all have a point... I am an advit Seinfeld watcher...I love it, think its funny....someone commented that its not a black show... their humor is much different than ours... why is it that we expect the Jews, Caucausian and other races to 'cater' to us? How many white led shows, mainstream shows are for 'us'... I remember as a teenage, I believe it was on a Different World...they said what do you call a black doctor...response: a N.I.GGER, that's just the way it is. Allow me to be the devil's advocate: when he said "Shut up! Fifty years ago we'd have you upside down with a f***in’ fork up your a**!", ......Did he lie? .... Stand-up comedy is the most disgusting venue going.....most comedians are not funny, just vulgar.....Now how many rappers, black comedians, or Wayans movies do you think will stop using the word.... I'd say not many... on another note... I wish we could get all up in arms over the murders of our black men in our community, or over the drug dealers, unsupportive fathers....uneducated, disrespectful children in our community..... Racism is alive and well, however, I don't believe that just because the someone uses the N-word that he's a racist.... Just like I don't believe Isaiah Washington, is Homophobic because he used the word F.A.G.G.O.T......
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Pamalicious
Comment: that should read... *avid*
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Ho_Lee_Mackeral
Comment: So whats's da fuss? He (Richards) called two bruh men. A niqqa... SO WHAT!!! Art imitates life... THe blak race goes day to day addressing each other with that term as well as in the movies, music, art, etc. I don't want to hear NO MORE WHINING or Crocodile tears when a non-blak uses that term to address an african american! Face it, It's NEVER going away. Thanx in part to the hip-hop community who claim it's a term of endearment. So why can't other races share in this as well? Can you say double standard? Until blak america says NO MORE NIQQA's in casual conversation, jokes, endearment/s, movies, music. Then LIVE WITH IT!
I applaud Richards for "keeping it real"
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jboy
Comment: CHAKA: Someone that was in the audience said he also said "I'm RICH! I can have you arrested!" That goes wrong with EVERBODY coz everybody knows that especially in Hollywood rules are bent & broken for the rich and famous. It's gonna be hard for him to com eback from this. DOVELYONE: That's what made me think the guy has sort of lost touch with reality -- what the H377 does Katrina have to do with anything that happened??? It's like he was just rambling. I've been around enough people like that to know that they're usually not wrapped too tight.
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NueNue
Comment: the sad part is alot of white people on all the websites are saying the same thing. if you go to TMZ.Com they worst comments are there. They really believe its ok to be ignorant.
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mseffy
Comment: Childishness and ignorance are volatile mix! If the man's not funny and his career's in the toilet, why go to his show?....even if the tickets were comps (smiling).
My personal response to the name...I've been called worse by better people. The end.
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Angel
Comment: ImJustAsking - The point is...it's not being used just among family and friends. It's used regularly in songs, movies and comedy within mixed company and public airwaves.
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moodring100
Comment: HO_LEEMACKREAL>>You applaud him for keeping it real? Get the plcuk out of here with that!
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Tymiles
Comment: What in the heck are you talking about??? MyWebsite2006
First off lets get the facts straight!
1.When you go to a comedy club people heckle each other, that is the nature of a comedy club!
2.This joker is not a comic, he WAS an actor who is now trying to be a comic! So he doesn't know how to handle a crowd! You don't see others white comics doing that crap!
3.Also saying %*$!(@ is one thing! But to imply that if it was 50 years ago you would have been lynched is something totally different! Thats taking it to another level and would of caused me to whip his skinny as*!
4.Yes slavery so called ended at the end of the civil war but Jim Crow was LIVE and active till the mid 60's and people like Doctor King DIED to bring it to an end. But still in America till this day a hand full of black people get lynched every year! So in my mothers and fathers life (Who are 51) they had to sit in the back of the bus and if they looked at white people wrong they could end up like Emmett Till who was lynched for whistling at a white woman! Or like James Byrd JR who was dragged to death by white men in 1998!
So get your facts straight, stop acting like because slavery its self is over that all is well for black people, like after 400 years of slavery and 100 years of oppression which still is not totally over, we are supposed to act like nothing ever happened! Get the f out of here!
Jewish people don't have to forget the holocaust which didn't happen in America and wasn't Americas fault, yet NO American can treat a Jewish person this way!
This joker should get a pass when Mel Gibson or George Allen in Virginia don't! Whatever. You may think it's ok but I am not fallin for it! When it comes to Mel Gibson lets see people tell Jewish people to just get over it!
http://www.jimcrowhistory.org/home.htm
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McNasty
Comment: Blacks have been using nicca in the context of frienship and kinship for a long time. Kramer using it along with that 50 year ago statement was in a totally different context - it was racial. I also don't agree that us using it gives them license to use it - they do understand the connotation they just want to be down with everything. They need to stop questioning us about it and they just need to stop using it, period!
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jboy
Comment: IJA: You're right. We should learn what my elders once told me: Never throw a rock at anybody that's bigger than the one you want them to pick up and throw back at you. I don't want to be called a n!gger so I never let words like honk!e come out of my mouth. And as for the RACIST/PREDJUDICED debate - The dictionary defines RACISM as being PREDJUDICED against a person due to their race. So if you are PREDJUDICED against a white/brown/yellow man simply because that's what he is then OBVIOULSY you are a RACIST! In spite of what all the Jesse's and Al's will try to tell you. They tried to disqualify the word for Blacks because for so many years they had swung it like a club to get what they wanted. But when folks started pointing out they had said a few racists things too they couldn't stand it. And there you have it...Don't throw a rock that's bigger...
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Tymiles
Comment: Man Nicca and %*$!(@ are two different things like say TO, TWO and TOO. They sound the same but we all know they have different meanings!
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musbdherbs
Comment: Does anyone know if yt folk, when referring to each other use "endearing" terms equivalent to n*gga behind closed doors? Just wondering if we are the only people who have floating definitions of words.
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Dovelyone
Comment: Jboy>>the dictionary definition of racism is incomplete in that it does not fully extend how racism is carried out. It's one thing to prejudge somebody due to their race/ethnicity. But how is that prejudice manifested? From a position of POWER. Forms of power are SOCIAL, POLITICAL, CULTURAL, and most significantly, ECONOMIC. Prejudice PLUS POWER = RACISM. That's why "Kramer" mentioned that he was rich, he had money, he could get you arrested. That's economic, political, and social power in play.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: Whats more disturbing to me is not just the comments he made, but the amount of white people I see supporting and defeding him on various message boards. As someone who deals with whites on a daily basis at work,etc, I cant help but think theres a certain percentage of the white people I deal with who proabbly feel the same way too... but when they deal with us as black people they keep it cordial and professional, smiling in our faces, etc. Like my grandfather used to say, you can see a mans face, but you cant see his heart.
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arkansasgirl
Comment: I was asked by a white person why there is a double standard when blacks make fun of whites but whites can't make fun of blacks. I've heard plenty of white comics sterotyping blacks in their comic acts and I've found them funny. Carlos Mecina who is Mexican makes fun of all races and I'm sure there are other non black comedians that make fun of other races. The only way it would make me upset would be if it was said out of anger in a way that I know that they were intentionally being racist like for instance the Michael Richards tirade. Those were his true feelings coming out. Plus ton of comedians get heckled. Any good comedian would have went toe to toe with the hecklers instead of getting angry and throwing out racial slurs. He's just mad b/c he can't tell an unscripted joke. He used a derogatory term that was used to put down black people for years. Then he used it along the lines of what would have happened 50 yrs ago. And he can save his apology saying "I'm not a racist". He might as well said "I have tons of black friends." Then 'Seinfeld' is trying to do damage control b/c the show's dvd comes out today.
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Stephanie
Comment: My question is this? Why is it such a big deal when black comedians and rappers do the same thing and sometimes worse? Is it because he's a jew and a white boy? If we didn't degrade our own using the "n" word, then others wouldn't be so quick to think, "well, they do it". We are so quick to run and scream racism when white people do this but we as black people set the stage for him to do this because he sees us doing it on a regular like its modern day english. Yeah, he was very much out of line but so are all the other black comedians and rappers that use the "n" word.
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NueNue
Comment: Ho Lee -
You sound just like those white people on all the other boards. Throw in an oh god and get over it and you get to say it and that’s just about a requirement for every racist post I have read.
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MDhornet
Comment: trini, I agree with you on Lott, but I lump Lott and all the other racists in the same category. I'm sure Lott has plenty of company up there. For me the issue is our continued denial about this word and our insistence that it's okay for us to use it, but not for anyone else. IJA, to me YT and PANK are not derogatory terms. They're work talk for saying white without them knowing you're talking aobut the. Now cracker is a different thing. I don't use that just like I don't use coolie or spic or any of those other racist terms whose intent is to demean. Also I agree that some words may develop a different meaning over time based on popular culture, but we have to set boundaries. No matter how you use it, this word still means the same thing. Want to know how out of control this is. Look at how Webster has changed it's definition of the word. This is proof that our constant use of this word has changed how white people define it. I've put some words in all caps for emphasis.
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MDhornet
Comment: Main Entry: nig·ger
Pronunciation: 'ni-g&r
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger
1 USUALLY offensive; see usage paragraph below : a black person
2 USUALLY offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark-skinned race
3 : a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons <it's time for somebody to lead all of America's niggers...all the people who feel left out of the political process -- Ron Dellums>
usage %*$!(@ in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past as Joseph Conrad, Mark Twain, and Charles Dickens, but it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Its use BY and AMONG BLACKS is NOT ALWAYS intended or taken as offensive, but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry.
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Musb< I’m not sure that whites identify themselves as a group the way blacks do. I think they see themselves as individuals. I think that’s why many are offended by affirmative action b/c they look at themselves and they don’t see the power of all of white America. The white people I have been around do use offensive terms as endearment but they are always individual and of the b!tch, c*cksucker, azzhole variety. I think if a white person got mad that a black person called them a cracker they would be mad on principle, not b/c they were actually offended. I don’t know…anybody sitting next to a white person right now? Dovelyone< the dictionary definition of racism is complete, b/c the dictionary’s job is to define a word without including the arbitrary context assigned to it by people with an agenda. The powerless argument doesn’t work anymore. Black people have PLENTY of power, as individuals and as a group, we just haven’t organized ourselves in such a way that the power can regularly be used effectively.
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Mimi
Comment: I still tripping that he used Afro-American in his apology
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jboy
Comment: DOVEY: We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I've read up on how the poverty pimps tried to change the meaning of the word when it started being used against them. And for us to blindly go along with it makes it seem as though the majority of us aren't smart enough to read a dictionary and understand what it's saying. You if discriminate due to race means YOU are a RACIST. Besides, some of the most vicious racist I've ever come across were dirt-poor white people. The uneducated, ignorant kind that even other white people look down on. They are coming from a position of power over NOBODY. By the poverty pimp's definition that means THEY can't be racist.
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Hornet< I find Webster's definition to be accurate. Can you point out which part you object to?
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NueNue
Comment: MIMI-
I thought I was the only one who caught that junk. Last I checked I’m not from Africa, I don’t have no afro and I am black! They whole house laughed for like 5 minutes of that comment he made. That’s probably the funniest thing he has ever said.
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jboy
Comment: MUSB: In Alabama they often refer to each other as REDNECKS in EXACTLY the same way that we throw around the word n!gga to each other. Do I ever call them that thinking I can joke right along with them??? H377 NO! For exactly the reason most of them know that 'our' word is off limits to them. That's just the way it is. And I don't whine about double standards to them over it. BTW, a white guy from up north tried using 'their' word once -- they a$$-chewing he got! It wasn't pretty!
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Dovelyone
Comment: jboy>>not sure if we're disagreeing per se. I'm saying that the racism has to manifest in some for that will negatively affect the target. We all can discriminate against somebody in our MINDS, but how does this come forth in ACTIONS? For example, what can a dirt poor white person do to me? Well, one thing they did OUT OF FEAR OF ME was to vote for the passage of Proposal 2 in Michigan.
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whatdat
Comment: The Laugh Factory had him perform again the next night. What does that tell you? Most of the post listed with the article shared his sentiment. Most probably weren't Black. What does that tell you about the attitude in this society? Rappers fault? How many of you use the word against your brothas & sistas? The footballer player, Chad Johnson, on the way to scoring a touchdown this Sunday was called a half beast/half man by the announcer. William Bennet suggested killing all Black babies. Some whites felt what was done to Blacks by the flood AFTER Katrina was a good thing. Yall might want to go back and read the last line of MelodyCool's first comment. We are headed for more than a night of 'breaking glass'. Read the sign of the time people.
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ImJustAsking
Comment: jboy< I FORGOT about redneck. LMAO My coworker is a self proclaimed redneck from W.VA. And she does find it offensive if black people or northern white people say it. I think b/c she thinks they associate redneck with racist.
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ImJustAsking
Comment: and uneducated...and she has her masters so that gets under her skin.
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kblackelegance
Comment: Morning All, I've always felt something was VERY wrong with all of those shows - (Friends, Steinfeld, Will & Grace)I can go on and on. So I never watched them. I noticed they were based in New York, yet they never attempted to present the reality of diversity in New York. The main characters were always White, even if they did a show or shot where they were in the coffee shop (Friends) or on a Job (Will & Grace) very rarely did you see people of color. So his remarks represented his true self and what's really going on in his heart. So its the truth. His apology means nothing to me, because its his truth, which is shared by many of his collegues, but just never spoken aloud. And that's the shame of it all. Its like black people have brought into the reality of a "Character" who is presented on TV as being funny loveable and such. But the reality is that he don't like black people. Case in point, and if this is a lie Oprah told it. Johnny Carson, who appeared to America to be a fun loveable guy, and in reality, he couldn't stand black people. Oprah was on his show, and when they cut to a commerical, she went to say something to him, and he stop her dead in mid-sentence and said I don't want to have coffe with you and I don't want to talk to you, and I don't want to be your friend, lets just sit here in silience til we come back from commerical. And when they came back from Commerical he was sure nuff acting like he didn't just disregard her like she was Dog Sh*(.
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lovelylibra
Comment: There is no excuse for his behavior period. However, for me it goes to show that is how he really felt and the response to the hecklers surfaced naturally and without remorse. The apology on Letterman came only after Seinfeld called him; otherwise I don't believe he would have issued the apology as insincere as it was. Now for the hecklers - if he were a true comedian (which he isn't) he could have handled that whole situation differently. Also, again not to excuse his behavior but people should not interrupt a show with loud and disruptive comments regardless of the comedian. I know it's what hecklers do, but most times their outburst are more disruptive than funny.
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archcookies
Comment: When the Day comes, or if the Day comes that we won't have to objectify anybody else for comedy sake, the world and everybody in it will be a better place. Kindness, forebearance, and tolerence should be what all of our comedy, media, and literature should be about. WE, blacks have a double standard---we need to sweep around our own doors before going over to the next man's yard.
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onyxeyes
Comment: well, I'm never "surprised" when white people make racist or offensive remarks because I thinks it's embedded in most of them anyway. it just takes the right situation to bring it out.
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MDhornet
Comment: IJA, the definition is accurate based on today's culture and that's what I find disturbing. That this word has become so commonly used by us that even Webster acknowledges it? You don't find that disturbing? It bothers me, but like I said I still cringe when I hear the word. I especially cringe when I hear people use it to call their children. Come here %*$!(@. I can't tell you how many times I wanted to say to them that calling their child like that was not appropriate. I didn't want to get my azz kicked though. This whole incident puts a spotlight on what we already know - there are racist white folk out there. We already know that. I'm just choosing to focus on us and what I consider to be stupidity on our part in using that word. It's just my opinion and like you said we'll probably never agree as a race on this issue. Then again, we'll probably never agree as a race on anything. 20 years from now our grandchildren will probably be having this same kind of round-and-round-get-nowehre discussion about something else. Hopeful ain't it?? I just wish we'd pause more and think before we adopt things. I just don't like what black folks definition of black has become but that's a whole other subject. Sighing.....
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bigfriend
Comment: I posted this comment on both stories about this, maybe someone can give me an answer. Maybe someone can enlighten me, seriously. Why is it that white people cannot say anything about blacks whether blatant or just perceived as racist, but the basis of many black comedians shows and on alot of Black movies and tv shows many of the jokes and story lines are talking about white people (mainly) or latinos? Isn't that racist too? or is it only racist when directed towards blacks? It always gets me when Chris Rock can base his whole comedy routine making jokes about white people and films can be made like White Chicks but if the same happened in the reverse there would be an outcry of "Racism!" I am being serious here and maybe someone has a serious (see: not ignorant and mad) answer to that. Because I figure if one race cannot make fun and call other races names why can another?
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whatdat
Comment: ImJustAsking, you are right. You don't use other's demeaning words just your own. I was massively shocked when you commented on Barack Obama's verbal %*$ault on some African leaders while in Africa and you said all Africans are dumb azzes. I was floored!
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Tymiles
Comment: I am shocked that people are even thinking this is OK? When Mel Gibson did it his whole world came to a screeching halt!
But when things are done to black people it's ok cause we don't have the power of Jewish people. It's ok cause we call each other the N word!
Before we called each other the N word that didn't stop other people from using it, now the excuse is "Well Katt Williams and 50 cent say it, it's ok now for me to say it also!"
What is most shocking to me is that black people think it's cool what he said. As if the rights that black people have now came through osmosis or that white people all of a sudden had a change of heart and put us on the same level as them! ??
Man brothers and sisters need to wake up and read a history book or two! Or shoot watch the darn evening news! Stop thinking cause YOU have not faced racism that it doesn't happen or it happens to select people!
Wait till you go to the bank with your 700 credit score and wind up with a 5 to %12 interest rate on your car loan or house note and then think back on what was said here!
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Dovelyone
Comment: Bigfriend: my quick response to your question about the "double standard" is simply this: the races are NOT EQUAL. Are we are willing to trade places with each other and accept the socialized vertical positioning of each race and that there is equal opportunity/access? No because there is an imbalance of power and access. The dominant culture already has social, political, cultural and economic power. What else do they want and need except for total oppression of all other races...it's like genocide, if they had their way...and so that begins with discrediting the race(s) through ridicule.
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jboy
Comment: IJA: For a poor Southern white Redneck is exactly to them what n!gga is to us. They know it's a negative term when used by others...meaning poor, ueducated, uncultured. But coming from one from the same background it's just a joking temr or a term of endearment. EXACTLY as 'our' word is for us. But the BIG word..one that's NOT used by them under anby circumstance is WHITE TRAHS. That's not their n!gga it is their N!GGER. An a$$-whuppin' is sure to follow if ANY body calls one of them that for ANY reason.
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Maverick
Comment: Surprised, but not shocked. We should thank him for revealing his true feelings, so we know exactly where he stands. There are millions more with the same attitudes and feelings. Intelligent and as civilised as I consider myself, I am not so sure I would have been as cultivated in my behavior if I was present. However, let me not give into the tempatation, a decision made in anger is always the wrong one. This to me is simply a reminder. No more is it a concern of mine of what white people think of me, I am more concerned with how we as black people feel and treat each other. It is clear the where our standing is in the world community and how we are regarded, simply compare the response of Mr. Richards behavior and Mr. Gibson's. Why because the jewish community is organized and empowered and we are not. That is the real issue.
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kady
Comment: The comments that he made were very offensive and it's not surprising to me that a lot of white people are defending him on other websites. In my opinion, white people are the most treacherous and fake azz people in the world. I see it everyday on my job (men and women)....They do dirty shyt to their own kind so just imagine what they think about us...and from reading the comments from other websites we don't have to use our imagination.
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Tymiles
Comment: bigfriend
First off we have NEVER oppressed white people.
White people did not go through 400 years of slavery and 100 years (And still counting) of oppression and Jim Crow.
And you mention the movie White Chicks. That is funny, cause the last time I looked the movie company that produced the movie wasn't owned by black people. White people made a BUNCH of loot off it. Much more then the black people in the movie!
It would be a lot different if black people were always on the same level as white people in America. But for the longest time we dealt with white people crappin on us! Doing black face, making fun of us in Oscar winning movies like Gone With the Wind etc. Just in the last 20 years have we gotten any verbal get back and it's weak at that.
Cause even though we make fun its not on the hurtful level of talking about lynching white people or calling them rednecks etc.
Just remember BLACK people in America can not make a movie or do comedy in most places with out white people giving the OK. Most clubs are not black owned and NONE of the movie companies or companies that show movies are black owned (Yea Magic Johnson has movie theaters but they are a partnership with Lowes theaters which puts up the money)
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yasmine1
Comment: I agree with a lot of post here that the thorne was the 50yrs ago comment and also the way that he said it.. Richards will not be pressured for his comments like Mel Gibson was because Blacks do not hold the financial power that Jews have...if blacks owned major comedy clubs and venues throughout this country then there would be some real pressure and the apologize would be more real because his wallet would be feeling things...As blacks, we see prejudices all the time but it has been all long time that it has been so blatantly 'in your face'... BLINK!!
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MistaO
Comment: There have been a lot of insightful comments on this board however, I have one bone to pick with the Black people on this and other sites: In what pretend world have yawl been living in? What IS shocking to me as a Black man is the large amount of brothers and sisters acting all surprised and hurt by this. Come on now, wake the bunk up and look around you. We get called the "N" word every single day without it even being spoken. Look at our collective community not only here but worldwide. Black below the bottom and don't fool yourselves into thinking this happened by chance. At the end of the day kramers comments were unacceptable and I applaud the brothers and sisters in the audience that didn't react the way they probably should have, Lord knows we don't need any more brothers locked up for bs. Those folk handled themselves with dignity and class, which is more than I can say for those defending this blatant racist attack. (By the way, what he did has nothing to do witht the 1st amendment. What he did was tantamount to yelling "FIRE" in a theater and was a direct personal attack vs. someone using the words in a context). In closing one more thing, if Black folk melted together instead of pretending we could have our own economic solvency and end worldwide dependency on folks who clearly hold the same sentiments as kramer. Still the only group that refuses to support our own. That's more of an issue for US today verses crying about some racist who's words should come as no shock to us.
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jboy
Comment: yasmine1: You may be right about why Kramer's not gettin gthe Gibson treatment, but I'll bet it has more to do with the fact that he's really a nobody. Really, until yesterday I'll bet most us us didn't even know his name was Michael Whatever. That's because he hasn't done anything worth mentioning since Seinfeld (and if you saw the clip you'll notice that when that was thrown in his face it was enough to shock him back into reality enough to mumbled a thing or two before getting off the stage). I guarentee you if Gibson hadn't done anything since his last road Warrior movie, when his tirade made the news it would've been mentioned for a few days then gone.
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mocha
Comment: I saw Richards outside a comedy club in LA a few years ago. I complimented him on his work and he was cold as ice and his vibe was hateful. People like him and Johnny Carson live miserably and die miserable. There are a lot of people like that and racism is only one of their issues. Some people are just F'ed up and there are lots of them, not just famous. The difference between a comic making jokes about white people or doing movies like White Chicks is that they are not mean spirited or hate filled. When you start hearing Holocast jokes or movies called "White Men Have Small Dicks", then that's another issue. BTW the latter uually the core of YT's hatred toward our people. Especially jews. Truth hurts.
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Tymiles
Comment: MistaO
You are right about that. People should be listening to or reading Barack Obamas new book The Audacity Of Hope!
Talks alot about how we need to pick ourselves up and even though the government owes us a lot, not wait for or depend on that.
We need to work together and make things happen. But most black folk are too Americanized and Homogenized and don't believe in working together. :-(
Sad!
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Winn30344
Comment: As a Seinfeld junkie I was shocked and and hurt. I made the mistake of blending in characters/actors. Kramer was one of the more liberal and likable persons on Seinfeld so naturally I thought he'd be like that in real life..my mistake. The "n" word was bad enough but the remark about "50 years ago"..can't explain away that..his career is over.
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Iwannasay
Comment: I read comments here that the Michael Richards racist tirade hasn't received the media attention that Mel Gibson's did - are you SURE? I have seen it on NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, CW on every broadcast. He was also on Letterman last night apologizing (for what that's worth). How much more media attention do you want?
My advice about this sort of public nastiness is, don't give this guy more power than he has! He IS a has-been and if he wasn't he sure is now! Who cares what Michael Richards thinks? Do you think he can really influence others? Why not focus on the MAJORITY of people of all colors who are not going to tolerate this behavior? The media is playing it for the offensive act it is and it and Richards should be tossed out like a piece of crap that was dumped on the public. We don't have to have this in our lives so let it go! Plus that, take solace in knowing this jerk's career is OVER!!
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reflection
Comment: This is very sad but it just goes to show that racism is indeed still alive and well. For him to claim that he's not even racist but to spew such venom shows a serious level of denial. I was never a big fan of Seinfeld or Friends because I always found it curious that these shows are set in NY but had a such a lack of diversity. It's funny how black shows always feel the need to have a white character but on the flipside, there's no such compulsion, but I digress. It's troubling that someone would not only use the n-word repeatedly so clearly it was no slip of the tongue, but to also make the comment about hanging is just hateful and there is no excuse for it. And the apology that he made last night on Letterman show was far from sincere. I can understand people making mistakes but at least be honest about your actions and remorseful with sincerity not because of the public outcry.
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Hornet< I think Webster would be remiss not to include the word. Just b/c a word may be offensive doesn't mean that it shouldn't be included in the dictionary. I think that definition was suitable b/c anyone can look the word up and see it in all contexts. whatdat< I never ever said that about Barack Obama's comments when he spoke in Africa. You should go back and check archives so that you can attack the appropriate person.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: Actually, maybe we should send Mr. Richards a thank you card. In a perverse sort of way , he actually did every black person a favor... he reminded us that a lot still hasnt changed, and that a lot of white people who smile in our faces actually have a lot of animosity and prejudice against us. Maybe its good for us to remember that every now and then.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: I live in NY. NYC is about 45-50% black and hispanic, but u very rarely saw anybody of color on Seinfeld. That always struck me as strange. And besides that, I never thought Seinfeld was that funny anyway. Martin, Becker, King of Queens, and Everybody Loves Raymond are a lot funnier. I never understood the fascination with that show. To me it has always been way overrated.
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MrUnapologetic37
Comment: I don't know why I am bothering to comment because so many people have expressed my sentiments and then some... Yet, I couldn't exit this blog without reemphasizing that importance of US as a people using language that don't degrade us. I believe when we use the N-word it sends out a message to other races that "it can't be that bad of word." No one should EVER be comfortable using N-Word. Whatever reasoning you may choose to justify your use of it won't change the original intent which was to hurt us, degrade us, count us out and less than human/deem us unintelligent. We're none of that! Truth told, I'm glad this Seinfeld dude said what he said because the truth is "racial harmony" is a work in progress. We not there yet... contrary to what you may see your day to day lives or hear in our music. We are NOT there yet!
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Tymiles
Comment: Iwannasay
I can tell you one difference in news coverage that I noticed here in Washington DC.
Every company Fox, NBC, and CBS used the story to sell other crap!
CBS used the story to push the Seinfeld appearance on David Letterman. By just showing clips of the apology!
Fox has 1 hour news at 10 PM. They talked about it for 5 minutes at the beginning of the show (After a bunch of other stories) and then made you wait till near 11 PM to see the full story (So you would stay glued to the TV)
On top of that FOX went out into the "community" and asked people what they thought (Not a single black person) BUT they were able to find a black person to comment on being upset about the OJ book. LOL!
Shoot they grilled Gibson and would not let the story die for weeks. Soon as his new movie comes out it will be a big story again!
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ladybyrd
Comment: I loved the Seinfeld Show, but all I can say is "Kramer!... what an idiot. He's starting to unravel". They showed a snippet of his tirade. He was being heckled and he didn't know how to handle it.
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Tymiles
Comment: Iwannasay
Oops and I forgot that NBC used the issue to push the Today show this morning by not showing much about it last night and saying it would be brought up on the Today show. LOL! Slick, slick, slick!
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ladybyrd
Comment: musbdherbs > The younger white generations does use the word, because they are now part of the Hip Hop Generation, so does young Asian, mexicans etc. It's unfortunate...
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archcookies
Comment: The Show Sienfeld and friends were about a group of white friends, who hung out together, I don't see anything wrong with that. For those of you that say there were never any roles for black people you are wrong, both Friends and Sienfeld had recurring black characters. The show was written about their perspective on life, it was not written for us that does not mean that it was not family or had no merit, it only means that (white) comedy sometimes doesn't make black people laugh. I will never forget I went to the Second City Comedy Theatre in Chicago, I had heard so much about it and when I got there the comedy was funnier to the whites than it was to me, that doesn't make it bad it just wasn't entertaining to me. We can't play a major role in every television series. As you know that is not real life.
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archcookies
Comment: correction family=funny
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oldschoolbrother
Comment: The only thing that bothered me was the lynching comment. When we apply for jobs our skin color gets noticed and that is the reason for denial of services, jobs, mortgages and any other favors. Sure there are progressive individuals who will look beyond skin color but some exist who refuse to. Yes slavery is over, Jim Crow is over but laws are being written to give that back to companies and privately owned establishments. For example (and not to digress but this is a situation that I do volunteer work in) in Illinois if you are a ex-offender the State will bond you, now, that is just a option for companies and even though most of the larger corporation have received welfare from the state (tax breaks for infrastructure, assistance in moving downtown) they refuse to hire ex-offenders (most of whom are black or brown). Now there are situations where white men and women go to jail, do time and still can work. But guess what, if you are one of us, it wont happen. So in spite of laws written, racism exists. And just because some baggy pants rapper wearing negro clothes spits the N word around means it is okay to use it. I do not use that word, none of my friends do either. JMO.
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MelodyCool
Comment: To those asking why nonblacks aren't allowed to use then N-word when blacks use it casually even in their presence...I've heard nonblacks use their own slurs playfully amongst themselves too, but I'd never join in and I'm sure they'd feel insulted if I did. It's just more common for blacks to use slurs with each other and now they want nonblacks to hear them as well. It's so stupid and we're facing an uphill battle to eradicate this word. Latinos use it as much as blacks and I cringe every time anyone does it particularly for all to hear it. It's just so ignorant!
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phalcon7
Comment: it never stops. jews constantly telling Black people to get over the ignorances toss their way, and get over slavery minded thinking by white people. let someone tell the jews to get over the Holocaust and watch what happens. richards reflects a thinking that will never go away. you wonder why a people can be so hated throughout the entire world, and i'm not refering to Black people. the middle east is not thinking about us.
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archcookies
Comment: Let's not go on the attack against the Jews, if it had not been for a lot of them the civil rights movement would have been a harder and more arduous task. Remember in some parts of this country Jews and put on the same scale with Blacks and Hispanics. We tend to over generalize when we have been attacked and go on the attack ourselves to say all Jews hate blacks is not serving this discussion well because that is just not true. Remember this people and don't ever forget it, if we call white people YT, HONKEY, etc we are not better than the ones that use the "N" word fair is fair and some of us as just as racist towards others as white people are to us.
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ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: Richards, is a poor excuse for a comedian and is seriously unstable. He needs some counseling and anger management. Forget the Kum B Yah & We are the World Class cuz that ain't gonna work for him. But let's be real, it's not funny for ANY Comedian or Rapper to refer to anyone as a NUGGA! It's degrading and if we can't see the harm it does to each other then why be up in arms when the White Man/woman does it? What's really pathetic is that black comedians will eventually find away to bring this into a comic routine and think it will hurt Richards but will hurt us as a people inevitably...which is far worse. I love Chappelle but abhor when he uses the word NUGGA. Same for C. ROck. There's nothing amusing about the word and it just shows a very limited vocabulary and limited sense of humor. As for Big Ups to Laugh Factory for banning him from the club. Finally, the Letterman show was the WRONG Venue for him to make an a apology..what the FUZUCK!!!!
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Mimi
Comment: HE SAID...that's what you get for interrupting a white man...
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Iwannasay
Comment: It hasn't BEEN weeks yet since this happened so why compare to the Mel Gibson thing? You geting offended in advance? What is the point of THAT? So what do you want? It to take precedence on news programs over the latest deaths in Iraq or the poor kids who died in Alabama after their bus went off a bridge? You need to put this in perspective. For that, refer to my other comment - why get your blood pressure up over this jackass? Over what does he have control? I remember Richards on the show, "Fridays" - I thought he was such a cool, wacked-out white guy. Better he should reveal his true self NOW and then get the he!! outta our faces forever. Sad thing though is that they let him play the same club again a couple nights later. Must have been a tight contract....
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Renegade
Comment: >archcookies did not some folks run your dumb azz off the boards a long time ago? As Scar told Simba in the Lion King "Run away and never return".
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khufu
Comment: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v09/v09p243_Wikoff.html
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khufu
Comment: http://www.spearhead.com/9910-ba.html
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Papasmurf83
Comment: Maybe - JUST MAYBE - he did this on purpose to sabotage the DVD sales of the upcoming 7th season release of Seinfield. Who knows? Maybe he's getting ripped off on royalties and has been trying to get it changed for years. So he figures, "i ain't getting no more money than I'm already getting, so I'll mess it up for everyone else." Hmmmmm....Nahhhh...He just said what was festering deep inside...
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khufu
Comment: An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews Invented Hollywood (Paperback)
by Neal Gabler "THIS BOOK BEGINS, AS HOLLYwood itself did, with something of a paradox..."
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khufu
Comment: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm
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debbc
Comment: Perhaps it is because Mr. Richards was heckled as a comedian, not a white comedian… race was not initially brought into this situation until he dragged it in. This is the meaning from the dictionary. The word %*$!(@ is a highly controversial term still used in many countries to refer to people with dark skin, particularly those of African origin. It was once used freely in standard English.
It carries a strong connotation of personal worthlessness which makes it so highly pejorative that most people would no longer use it, particularly in public.
One theory of its origin (or etymology) is that it came into English via French from the Spanish negro (meaning "black"), and it is therefore related to, but not derived from, the English word Negro (ultimately from Latin niger, also meaning "black"). Besides Hatred of any kind is never funny!
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ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: FYI...Laugh Factory told him to return because it was their understanding that he was intending on aplogizing. When that didn't happen, they banned him from performing there ever again (who knows how long that will be though) and then offered a refund to the audience, I believe, who was there the night he went beserk. Just a point of clarification.
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khufu
Comment: http://www.thecode.net/welsinginstitute/%*$!(@_defined .htm...dr. frances cress-welsing on the N word....
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arkansasgirl
Comment: In the words of Malcolm X: "The common enemy is the white man." "There can be no black-white unity until there is first some black unity.... We cannot think of uniting with others, until after we have first united among ourselves. We cannot think of being acceptable to others until we have first proven acceptable to ourselves."
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khufu
Comment: Is The Word %*$!(@ A Bad Word?
From: http://www.%*$atashakur.org/forum/showthread.php?t=138 28
wikipedia:
%*$!(@ is a controversial term used in many English-speaking countries, including the United States, United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia (but also in other languages such as German as a loanword) to refer to people of African descent. During the chattel enslavement of Africans, it was once the standard, casual English term for black people. The word has been associated with a presumption of inherent inferiority, and in general with the stereotypical characteristics of the race that the word denotes, rendering it a potentially pejorative and abusive term.
The word "%*$!(@" originates from the French nègre (with a similar meaning) or perhaps from Dutch and German neger, all derived from the Portuguese and Spanish word negro, which comes directly from the Latin adjective nigrum, accusative of niger, meaning black. In English, neger became "negar" and finally "%*$!(@." "Neger" (sometimes spelled "neggar") prevailed in the North in New York under the Dutch and in Philadelphia in the Moravian and "Pennsylvania Dutch" [German] communities. For example, the New York City "African Burial Ground" was originally known as "Begraaf Plaats van de Neger."
The word %*$!(@ in the United States was not originally considered derogatory but merely denotative. In nineteenth century American literature there are many uses of the word %*$!(@ with no intended negative connotation. (See below.) The perception of the term %*$!(@ as derogatory is no doubt related to the fact that the negroid race itself is widely regarded as inferior. There is an observable pattern of words denoting the Black race coming to be regarded as derogatory: %*$!(@, darky, negro, and colored, all at various times acceptable, are all considered offensive now. "Black" was the preferred term from the late 1960s until the 1990s but has now been displaced in stilted usage by "African American," not to be confused with "Afro-American," a form in vogue in the early 1970s. African American is an awkward term (and imprecise, insofar as the population of Africa is not entirely negroid) that seems pretentious to many Whites, although not as awkward and pretentious as "person of color" which was proposed in the early 1990s. Consequently Black continues in widespread popular use as a racial designation.
The arbitrariness of regarding "%*$!(@" as derogatory is apparent in the fact that in Portuguese "negro" is today seen as a non-derogatory word, and "preto" (the most common word for the color "black") as the derogatory one.
At times, African Americans have appropriated the slur, subverting it to a self-referential term that is often suggestive of familiarity, endearment, or kinship. When spelled phonetically, the word often was represented as nigguh; however, currently, when used in this manner, the spelling is often changed to %*$!( or niggah.
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ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: Khufu...what are u asking the family to visit and why? U R just posting sites with no explanation?
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Tymiles
Comment: Iwannasay
Didn't take weeks to grill Gibson. It was the top story (Even over the Iraq war)
Actually the OJ mess was more important then this story, the Iraq war and the bus crash! Go figure.
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khufu
Comment: This is also from Asata Shakur's website.................................
THE ORIGINAL MEANING OF THE "N" WORD..........THE ORIGINAL MEANING OF THE "N" WORD HAD A CONNOTATION CONNECTED TO THE GODS......
The word "nig..." used to be the most revered and sacred word in the universe. It was the "devine epithet," and the people who began using the mother of all words that originated from this word which was sullied by the British, were the ancient Egyptians or better, the Khemites, who called their land, "Khemet" or "The Black Land," and also used the name, "Ta-merri" or "The Beloved Land.".........THE WORD "N-G-R" MEANS "GOD" IN ANCIENT EGYPTIAN.........The father of the "n" word was the word used by the ancient Egyptians for "God." That word was "N-g-r" and as one can see, there are no vowels in this word. In the ancient African and even the present African languages (the Afro-Asiatic linguistic family) vowels such as "a,e,i,o,u" are not found in many translations, particularly of ancient Hebrew and Egyptian languages..........In the translation of ancient Egyptian and Hebrew (which is heavily influenced by Egyptian), one will not always find vowels, therefore, very few people will realize that the word for God, which is "N-g-r" pronounced "en-ger" was the Egyptian word for God. In fact, the Egyptian word for "nature," is also the word used for God. That word is "ntyr," (pronounced net-jer." Now prounce the word "nigg.." and the word "net-jer," and one sees the clear connection.
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khufu
Comment: CONTINUED..........MANY AFRICAN WORDS DENOTING PEOPLE OR IMPORTANT PEOPLE STARTS WITH "N"......In many African languages particularly the Niger-Congo language family. Words that connects with people, Gods, and groups begin with "n" and that word is always the first word. For instance, the word "Nkosi" in Xhosa is "God." The word "Ndaba," in another South African language is "counsil" (or gathering of elders). Many common names also begin with "N".........WORDS OF AFRICAN ORIGINS THAT CAME FROM THE ORIGINAL WORD, "N-G-R" (PROUNOUNCED EN-JER)...
N-g-r (Egyptian;pronounced en-jer) = God N-t-y-r (Egypt; pronounced net-ger) = God, Devine Negash (Ethiopia; ne-gash) = King Negus (Ethiopia; ne-goos) = Emperor Nkosi (Xhosa; en-kosi) = God
Ndaba (Zulu; en-daba) = Counsil/Officials,
Naga (East Indian, Nubian = People
Nugarmarta (West African = People (See the writings of Ibn Buttata's journey to West Africa)..
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khufu
Comment: CONTINUED...........HOW THE N BECAME CORRUPTED..........
The Romans are probably the first Europeans to misrepresent the word for God, which was "N-g-r"
About the early part of the First Century, Romans tried to invade Ethiopia. (see BLACK HISTORY CHART http://community.webtv.net/nubianem/...ldnubianempire or go to http://community.webtv.net/paulnubiaempire for a list of Nubian Pharaohs and Queens...........The Romans who were speakers of Latin always knew of Blacks, there were Blacks in Rome, Italy had an ancient Black presence long before the Latins migrated from Central Asia and North Eastern Europe during the 'Aryan' migrations. In fact, the Latin ethnic groups is still in existance in the northern part of Italy even today. This part of Italy still grips about Hannibal's invasion which happened about two thousand two hundred years ago!!!!.......The Romans had a name for Blacks, it was "Niger" and it meant Black or people of African origins. Thus, Septimus Niger would have meant, Septimus the Negro. Yet, how did the Romans connect the word "Niger" to Black......In ancient times, Blacks were worshipped as Gods. The Gods of Greece came from Egypt. The worship of the Black Madonna is connected with the worship of Isis, the Egyptian Goddes. Moreover, Blacks in Egypt called their Pharaohs "En-ger" or "N-g-r" he was literally referred to as "THE GOD."
It is very possible that when the Romans tried to invade Nubia, they asked for the name of the God and the term "N-g-r" was probably used in place of "leader" or "king". In Angola, the same also happened during the 1600's when the word "N-gola" which means "King" (notice the "N" and the "g" in this word as well), came to be "Angola,' the name of a kingdom in south western Africa.
(Read more on Nubian, Egyptian, West African and ancient American trade and commercial connections in ancient times; see the book, "Susu Economics: The History of Pan-African Trade, Commerce, Money and Wealth," published by 1stBooks Library, www.1stbooks.com also see www.barnesandnoble.com
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huey
Comment: wonder what a rapper like jayz or a snoop would do if they were to take there wife or girlfriend to a nice restaurant for dinner and the white waiter said "awwww snap!! jayz or snoop!! whats uppppp my nicca!! could i get your autograph man!! u my number on fan my nicca!!" would they just sit there and look dumbfounded, or would they feel obligated to check homeboy for embarrassing them and their significant other, even though the waiter thought he was greeting them with a term of endearment? would the rappers get the message then? hummm
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khufu
Comment: too much more to print...who will read it anyway LOL for those who want to have an informed, intelligent, historcal conversation about the N word and Richards comments.......http://www.%*$atashakur.org/forum/showt hread.php?t=13828
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khufu
Comment: ne last thing...however...http://www.srmason-sj.org/council/jo urnal/sep00/marsellos.html...
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ShayLady
Comment: I couldn't have said it any better Jboy. I totally agree. "kramer" is clearly not in full control of his mental capacities.
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yasmine1
Comment: DoctorSmooth, Friends was also the same...set in New York city and no black people on that show.. well, I guess since Michael Richards wasn't all that.. the person that will feel some pinches is Seinfeld...if we want to show our muscle..contact cable networks and ask to drop the Seinfeld reruns... Michael Richards is getting paid from those reruns...if you really want a sincere apology...pinch his pockets...It would be interesting if the black community can have millionaires like Seinfeld invest in the urban. How? Keep him from earning his residuals from the reruns...
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khufu
Comment: The Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Man
are foundational teachings of Freemasonry....Kramer is a 33rd Degree Mason...ironic...racism is alive and well....wake up
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PlanetRock
Comment: Kramer is raked over the coals, but Eminem pretty much received a pass a few years ago. Neither should be tolerated, but perhaps it is time we back that giant mirror up to ourselves. Just look at the mess we, the hip-hop generation, have created. Pick up the average CD and you have it 100 to 200 times throughout the CD. Our comedians seem to not be able to do a routine without using it countless times. Since our entertainment is so huge - worldwide - just when do we wake up and smell the coffee. A smarty pants will always throw that double standard as a defense...but we never seem to have a real comeback for defending us using the word. This issue will never die until we simply stop using the word.
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khufu
Comment: Oh I wish Isaiah Washington or Naomi Campbell had been at his performance....
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MOTHERSHIP
Comment: To all those who think that cozyin' up to them crackas in the name of unity, there ain't none! You see how they feel about us and always have. Kramer also mentioned to those brothers "that fifty years ago their azzes would have been upside down on a fork." He was actually rejoicing in the fact that was a bygone situation and wished it still existed. A lot of them feel that way. That's one of the reasons why I don't have nothin' for 'em. I know their pedigree and our history. Now, if one of those brothers would have told him, that's why Hitler had an over for their azzes for over ten years then it wouldn't have been so cute wouldn't it? Dude was just upset that the brothers called it like they seen it.
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MOTHERSHIP
Comment: "oven"
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archcookies
Comment: >Renegade thanks for reminding me that there are still ignorant azzholes like you in the world enough said.
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khufu
Comment: MOSHIP....yep, yep...when Black folks gon' wake up? The Repubs just put TRent Lott back in who openly supprted Strom Thurmond and the 25/20 will not let OJ rest (yes yall---racism is part of that too)...now they saying Obama could never be seriously considered for the Presidency because he smokes LOL....when will Black folks wake up and return to THEIR God? when will they realize that living with yt is a futile notion? As long as he has been on the planet, he has created war, greed, destruction, genocide.....lol is it that Black folks love them THAT much or do they hate themselves more?
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Renegade
Comment: >archcookies you are welcome you FAT B*itch.
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archcookies
Comment: >Renegade you know why we can never have a fruitful (blacks) dialogue with each other, because we cannot disagree with each other without being ignorant, I am not offended and I thought the discussion was on Michael Richars---what really blows my mind about this board and others is how vicious and vitriolic we can be with people that don't agree with us. It's pitiful that we can never get anything hammered out or resolved because of people like you that get TOO emotional and too person with others. I can and will state me opinion here whenever I please and let me straighten this out noboby ran me off this board, when I find too much ignorance displayed I find better and more productive things to do.
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Renegade
Comment: >archcookies here is something productive for you to do...learn how to spell and proof read your comments. Jew lover.
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archcookies
Comment: >Renegade you seem to be the only one personalizing things, do you know me? If not then that shows how ignorant and stupid you are. I started to curse u out but I can use my intelligence to ward you off. You on the other hand have a small brain and limited vocabulary and nothing better to do. Did somebody neglect u this morning evidently so because you are so despartely trying to get some inap
propriate attention. What you need to do is grow up and learn something before you open your vacuous and ignorant mouth.
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khufu
Comment: HOLE...years ago, int he streets of NY, yo azz would have been jumped on for defnding his racist sheet as "keepin it real." And all whie you were getting YO azz whupped, they would have been saying "Wake up my brother/sister...wake up!"
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khufu
Comment: what is ARCHCOOKIES saying that warrants such renegade...fill me in.....
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Renegade
Comment: >archcookies I know your stupid posts. I must have gotten under your fat skin. You still cannot spell.
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ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: My goodness people... PLEASE stop using this board to sling personal attacks!!! It's uncalled for and completely negates the purpose of this board. Archcookies...U do U and ignore ignorance. I'm sure I'll b shot for my comments, but try to imagine how little I care.
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Renegade
Comment: >ChocolateBrownHoe I am happy that you do not care because you can suck a mean D*ick too.
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Renegade
Comment: Khufu I will play civil with you for a second. Check arch's first post defending Jewish racists.
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khufu
Comment: my people my people...yt puts your skin color to the side because your green keeps him in power...he doesnt love you....he tolerates you becasue he wants your money...he wants your culture...he wants the Black woman......because she is The Goddess...unbeknown to nost Black women...see YT knows that the Virgin Mary the Mother of God is the Black woman.....and then who is her child? Oh he despises her child and seeks to kill Him as He is the heir to the Eartly Throne.....Yt doesnt love you Black people..they want to be you so they steal yo music...bathe in the sun to look like you and tell you that Black skin is ugly and eveil and yet hYT wants it so bad they create the sun in salons risking their very existence to be like you for just a moments time...tanned......they want your azz fo they use collagen but then they tell you that anorexix is the epitome of beauty.....they take meat fro they azz to put in their lips so their men can see what it feels like to kiss the full soft lips of Isis/Auset, Mary, and Hathor.....they try to take your language while at the same time they deem it as less than a sub-language....less than a dialect....not worthy of inclusion in their school curriculum........
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D_E_A
Comment: First let me say this. Nothing under the sun is new. How long are we going to fight, argue or debate over the same issues like slavery or the word %*$!(@?? how long. I understand that our ancestors were slaves and some of our grandmothers and grandfathers are still alive today and remember what it was like to grow up in those times but come on people at some point in our lives we have to realize that we can never ever take that back. What is done is done so we must move on. I am a christian and believe in God, Jesus and the Holy spirit. That also means I believe in the Bible too. If any of you believe in the God, Jesus and the holy spirit, then you must believe that Adam and Eve were the first to exist on this earth, and with that being said then you should also believe that we are all no matter if were, Black, white hispanic, Chinese, Japanese and so on and so on, we are all from the same blood line of Adam and Eve. So that makes us all family. I know its hard to swallow but its true and we are fighting our brothers and sisters. Everyone need to think on that for just a couple of minutes.. Its not about white or black or chinese or whatever. Its about family and how we are all seperated by color and language and refuse to forgive and love one another like our Lord wants us to do..
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archcookies
Comment: >Renegade, I went back to check my first post not at any time did I defend Jews, but let me say this I for one am trying to be loving and tolerant of everybody and if it is wrong for whites, hispanics and jews to hate blacks what gives us a pass on this kind of behavior. You seriously need to reread the post because at no time did I defend the Jews, I am just not filled with hatred, bitterness and intolerance.
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MOTHERSHIP
Comment: Khufu, I was wondering when we were going to realize they snuck that baztard Trent Lott back in the #2 position in the Senate I believe. Unbelieveable! Another thing, there wouldn't be any racism if them crackas ain't perpetrated it first. Hell, they even slaughtered the Pequot Indians (700 unarmed members of the tribe) and had the audacity to celebrate it as Thanksgiving the next day, their victory over those Indians who befriended their azzes and taught them how to survive after landing on Tha Rock. Please.
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khufu
Comment: oh boy...here comes D E A.....
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Renegade
Comment: Okay Arch, but a few Jews marching with us during the Civil Rights movement does not negate all of the negative things that they have done to black people throughout history.
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ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: How sad that some feel the need to revert to abusive language toward the sistahs or anyone who may have an opinion different from their own on this board instead of contributing to an intelligent dialogue. Oh well, a waste is a terrible thing to mind.
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D_E_A
Comment: Khufu, Im just trying to shed light on the bigger picture.. We are all too caught up looking at the dots in the picture and not the whole thing. We are all Family
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Renegade
Comment: Mothership I agree and they have not changed one bit. They seem to be destructive and hateful by nature.
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khufu
Comment: ARCHCOOKIE....first of all, I understand your position but understand these FACTS.......Euroepan Jews are not the people of the book and the fact that they perpetuate that myth is a detriment to Black folks...Period. See, they kno that the people they CLAIM to be are us. So as they %*$ert their myth they negate and subjugate our identity and our heritage.
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D_E_A
Comment: If there is any of us on this board who have never said a racial thing in their lives, let us speak now. I believe we are all guilty of being racist one time or another so pls let none of us act more holy then Richard (Kramer).. Pls lets not.
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khufu
Comment: ARCHCOOKIE...two....a lot of those Jews, not all--but most--that were there i our struggle actually had political and economic agendas. After we de-segragated, they wound up owning most of the stores in our neighborhoods--did they not? DId not most of those store owners charge us a lil more interest on our credit accounts? So the economic benefits that Jews collectively garnered form their involvment in the Civil Rights struggle, far outweighs Black folks.....FACT
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archcookies
Comment: >Renegade Please list all the negative things Jews have done to us? Understand I am not defending anyone, but please enlighten us to the horrors of what the Jews have done to us as a people.
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Renegade
Comment: Uh Arch just check my homeboy khufu's comments.
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khufu
Comment: ARCHCOOKIE thirdly...wher is the Jewish outrage on Katrina and on this matter? I have not heard anything from the Anti-Defaation League, B'Nai Brith, etc.....
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archcookies
Comment: >Khufu Renegade couldn't tell you to save his/her life why I have %*$!ed him/her off. No reason other than I have an independent mind. Now Renegade is checking my spelling, where I come from we call that "nit-picking."
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Renegade
Comment: Okay Arch.
1. Check funding of the Atlantic slave trade.
2. Check who owns/started old/new Hollywood. remember black face?
3. Do a google of U.S. politician Judah Benjamin.
All these just for starters.
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khufu
Comment: ARCHCOOKIE....i posted the title of a book written by a white jew called How The Jews Invented Hollywood....the subjugation of Black folks in films as hired actors and the representation of Blacks for audience consumption has always been to subjugate, contain and oppress Black folks
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archcookies
Comment: >khufu I have never heard what the Jews as a whole have done for Katrina, I really can't and just because people don't go on television or to the newspaper to say what they have done doesn't mean they haven't done anything. I can't find it in my heart to hate these people and if we as blacks decide to hate them as a group how are we any better than them? There's a lot of blacks that did absolutely nothing to help the people affected by Katrina and they are blasting every other racial group. Let's be fair now, we look at a lot of news stories and we see thousands of whites from the north going down to help with the situation. How many of us can say we have done the same, I have given money but I couldn't go down there to help.
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Iwannasay
Comment: DEA - you are a good soul. I'm glad someone is living in peace. When one gets all agitated over their enemies, is that not the enemies' desired reaction? To cause you endless misery? The best "revenge" is to live well and be happy DESPITE poor ignorant fools like Michael Richards.
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Renegade
Comment: Arch you teed me off because you come in here trying to show love for people who do not love you or your people.
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archcookies
Comment: >Renegade can you give me something to read supporting your claims.
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khufu
Comment: ARCHCOOKIES...independent minds arent always right...our free wills and independnet minds got us in this mess according to Biblical accounts (Genesis: the tree)
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YLawdY
Comment: We don't like it when the first person they interview at a crime scene is the most ignorant, crack head looking, no teeth having person they can find. Why? Because it promotes an image of AA that we know isn't the majority. We don't like "those" people being thought of as representative of AA's as a whole. That's how I'm reading some of the comments on Jews. Is it fair to tar all of them with same brush cause we sure don't like it when someone does it to us. Hey, D.E.A. where you been?
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khufu
Comment: i am not espousing hatred...why is that when someone tells the truth about how other people feel about Black folks they are deemed hate-motivated? LOL sad..ARCHCOOKIES///READ...READ...READ
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archcookies
Comment: >Renegade hatred is destructive and corrosive. It does more harm to the hater than to the one hated. I pick my battles and protect myself against who I perceive to be my enemies. But just because I am not on the hatred wagon and screaming for the death and destruction of the Jewish people does not make me a Jew-lover but a People-lover. We want the world to see us without our color or ethnicity but we refuse to do that for people of other groups, that is callled intolerance. Wrong is wrong and I fault OUR BLACK comedians for leading the way for other misguided comedians who think that they can parlay that word around and get a laugh off of it. If you are smoking and drinking and cursing in front of your children and they pick up on these vices, don't beat the kids, because you the adult set the example for them to follow. I do not hate Jews, I don't hate white people--I hate ignorance anywhere it is displayed and one more thing, It isn't the white man or the Jews that are slaughtering our young people, it is US doing it to ourselves.
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khufu
Comment: DEA...okay now you....did you see the color of the cross?
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Renegade
Comment: Arch Check the "Destruction of Black Civilization" by Chancellor Williams and google those things that I stated.
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khufu
Comment: ARCHCOOKIES i agree that it is hypocritical for Black folks to use the word and then get %*$!ed when others use it......i agree with you that we should become outraged at the rappers as we are with Kramer.....what's good for the goose is good for the gander.....
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Renegade
Comment: Arch it does not seem that we are that far off. It's just that I believe as Khufu has stated we have to READ. The path to hell is paved with "good" intentions.
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archcookies
Comment: >Khufu just to set the record straight I have been an avid reader all my life, please respect me if I don't accept your point of view. I am not ignorant nor uninformed but let us all realize that books are written by people that have their own predjuices and biases and we must have an independent mind to accept what is good and wholesome and reject that which is destructive and harmful to us. That is the choice we are all give, if you bring the Bible into the discussion, some one hit on it earlier, the Scriptures say we are all "from the same blood."
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Marlin
Comment: he is an a$$. jews think they are white at times, then jewish at others. especially if its holocaust recognition time. then they start singing 'we shall overcome'. i asked an attorney i worked with if he considered herself a part of a race, or a religion? she did not know how to answer....she eventually said, both. i said 'that's convenient'. see, jews have gotten their 'reparations' the holocaust was televised and documented....our is ongoing.
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khufu
Comment: ARCHCOOKIE what renegade says is true.....do your research however I cant say all Jews are bad....not all white folks participated in slavery....John Brown dispels the myth that all white poeple were and are evil....however overall the majority are..sorry to say......and the majority have and do benefit from the opresion of Black folks especially economically and socially and we know culturally
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archcookies
Comment: >Renegade thank you for reading what I said earlier. I know how heated this kind of discussion can create but we won't ever be able to come to a conclusion if in the process of discussion we veer from the subject matter and began to attack each other. don't you think that is self-defeating behavior. As for me I want so much for us blacks to stop hating each other and killing each other, my heart bleeds evertime I see on the news where some black young person's life has been cut short because of stupidity and ignorance. The rappers fuel this hatred amongst us and we can't see it. I know I am opening myself up for other attacks from people that don't believe like I do but if you sit and listen to some of this music it will help you to better understand how empty and idle minds can be filled with the propoganda of hatred and intolerance.
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khufu
Comment: archcookies....if you really read, research and analyze you'd have a clear perspective based on historical truth.....it's not about MY or renegade's "opinion"....I read extensively...I read Japanese, Chienese, European, African, etc...so it's not about opinion but informed perspective based on research and analysis....for instance, most of the folks espousing things like you did about it seeing we are all one blood as Biblical statement isnt biblically true...yest you will insist you read the Bible.....well I do to and can show you in several places where differences between seeds and peoples and nations and tribes are clearly stated....how is it that we can both read the same book and have differing perspectives? I KNOW I READ THE BIBLE
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Iwannasay
Comment: It is also just as hypocritical to make blanket statements of all white people being "the enemy", and evil and out to get us as it is for white people to say all black people are inferior and ugly cause of their skin color or whatever. Maybe they think it's just as asinine to see all the straightened, blond hair on blacks as it is to see them tanning themselves all dark. You don't wanna hear racist remarks yet you spout them as casually as anything. You don't want to be stereotyped yet you stereotype others. You so blind you just can't see!
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khufu
Comment: NO answer from DEA...ideological coward? LOL...see, DEA probably disnt go see THE COLOR OF THE CROSS but did go see THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST...will go see a lie version of Jesus but not the truth version.......this is the peace they refer to...the slef-hatred lifestyle that denies that Black folks should support anything that speaks to their independence....their freedom...their humaness..their divineness...their right to defend themselves.........
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sgrantla
Comment: Someone keep saying that there were no blacks on Seinfeld. You need to watch the series before making your statement because a recurring character name Jackie Chiles (Johnny Cohran spoof) played by Phil Morris on 7 epsiodes. Please do your research. You can find Phil Morris under the Internet Movie Database.
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khufu
Comment: DEA.....doesnt understand white cultural supremacy....the church you go to..are there any physical depotctions of Jesus? Surely if there are they are Black--as he really is/was....sadly DEA willl say "SKin color doesnt matter"..and yet all over white Jesus bombard us so surely race matters to white folks...that's why they can continue to practice Racism and misguided folks like DEA say, "suffer peacefully"...see, I ama peaceful person too but I am not a coward....DEA was Christ a coward or did He speak and confront folks?
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YLawdY
Comment: khufu ....why are you attacking DEA? Maybe he didn't see either movie. What in what he said espouses self-hatred and makes him an ideological coward?
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khufu
Comment: ooo Seinfeld had a token Black person....LOL how typically sterotypically......LOL
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khufu
Comment: YLWADY her post states that...did you read her post? his post?
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khufu
Comment: one cowardice statement:......made by DEA:....If there is any of us on this board who have never said a racial thing in their lives, let us speak now. I believe we are all guilty of being racist one time or another so pls let none of us act more holy then Richard (Kramer).. Pls lets not..
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HHCassius
Comment: I enjoy Seinfeld. However, citing the Johnnie Cochran caricature as a black on Seinfeld misses the point and shows your ignorance. Johnnie Cochran is a celebrated black lawyer that unfortunately came to the forefront of American minds because of the O.J. Simpson trial. And while imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I can't imagine that there's no ill intent on this spoofing of a black figure...
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khufu
Comment: here is the other cowardice statement made dy DEA....they are cowardice becasue they make excuses........and relinquishes one from DOING SOMETHING......"First let me say this. Nothing under the sun is new. How long are we going to fight, argue or debate over the same issues like slavery or the word %*$!(@?? how long. I understand that our ancestors were slaves and some of our grandmothers and grandfathers are still alive today and remember what it was like to grow up in those times but come on people at some point in our lives we have to realize that we can never ever take that back. What is done is done so we must move on. I am a christian and believe in God, Jesus and the Holy spirit. That also means I believe in the Bible too. If any of you believe in the God, Jesus and the holy spirit, then you must believe that Adam and Eve were the first to exist on this earth, and with that being said then you should also believe that we are all no matter if were, Black, white hispanic, Chinese, Japanese and so on and so on, we are all from the same blood line of Adam and Eve. So that makes us all family. I know its hard to swallow but its true and we are fighting our brothers and sisters. Everyone need to think on that for just a couple of minutes.. Its not about white or black or chinese or whatever. Its about family and how we are all seperated by color and language and refuse to forgive and love one another like our Lord wants us to do...."
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Renegade
Comment: I feel ya Arch and hear you clearly :)
Khufu DEA's statement was DOA. Dead On Arrival with that ignorance. That white image of Christ matters dearly to white folks.
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jerjorju
Comment: To all of those who made posting discussing the appropriateness of whites or Blacks using the N-word in comedy acts, please note Richards did not use the word in his act. He used the word, repeatedly, to address a heckler. The heckler's race was not the issue. A comic should be able to ignore the heckler or respond with humor.
PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO (TMZ.COM) BEFORE MAKING COMMENTS.
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khufu
Comment: these statements are delusionally, ill-informed and cowradice
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archcookies
Comment: >Khufu and Renegade please read this statement if you need to title of the book I will give it to yoFrom Publishers Weekly
In response to the outrageous accusations leveled against Jews by Nation of Islam preachers and some other black nationalists, this scrupulously researched book details the actual role Jews played in the Atlantic slave trade. Faber, a professor of history at the City University of New York, has pored over tax records shipping manifests, Royal Naval Office records, and contemporary accounts of Jewish life to discover the unsurprising truth: the majority of Jews in England's Caribbean and North American colonies were merchants and tradesmen, lived in towns rather than on farms or plantations and owned approximately the same number of slaves as their non-Jewish town-dwelling neighbors. The Sephardic Jews' knowledge of languages and their family and religious connections to communities all over the world gave them advantages as traders, but they preferred to import fabrics and silver rather than slaves. While some Jews did engage in the slave trade, and a large number of Jewish households in Jamaica and Barbados owned a few slaves, the tiny number of Jews living in the English colonies at the time made their involvement minimal. The slave trade was run by and for the benefit of non-Jews, and was finally brought to an end by the same people. Packed with statistics (one-half of the book is appendices and footnotes), this isn't easy reading, but Faber's scholarship is stunning. One of the most interesting aspects of the book is the insight it gives into historical research. If those claiming the Jews enslaved millions of Africans can't discover the truth, it's because they don't want to.
Copyright 1998 Reed Business Information, Inc.
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khufu
Comment: jerjorju LOL are you insane? Im sorry insane poeple dont actually know they are insane....so him addressing the heckler was out of his act? LOL please before you answer that think about it.......because stupid is as stupid does
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khufu
Comment: okay archcokkies is white..Im convinced of that or stupid as hell or a paid spy to be on hear as part of the government's counter-intelligence program..Im through...
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FreeMswhite
Comment: I am so shocked at this. I have watched Seinfeild all of my life.
I really liked Kramer, never knew he was a racist. I find this to
be a turning point in american television. What is done is done.
He can't take it back. He is oon CNN now with jerry Seinfield trying
to explain and I can't think of one reason outside of racism to
justify this. It was horrible. Horrible. And what is said is that
we as black people we do not take things to the next level. We let it
ride because we are so content with out backs being walked on.
We are puppets, a lot of the things they say are true and that is the
most embarassing part. Jesus, help us...
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khufu
Comment: im sorry "here"
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MOTHERSHIP
Comment: FreeMsWhite, hey girl! Where ya been?
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khufu
Comment: The real Jesus keeps trying to help Black folks but Black folks prefer another "God"...they prfer the gods of white folks..Thor, Odin,
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Renegade
Comment: Oh yaeh Arch I am very familiar with Faber. He is an active member of the ADL Anti-Defamation League. Also, he is staunchly against affirmative action.
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khufu
Comment: these are the Gods that people like Archcookies and DEA prefer THINKING they are worshipping the TRUE GOD.....Monday is the second day of the week, day of moon goddess, Selene, Luna and Mani.
Derived from Lunae Dies, day of the moon, the name reflects the ancient observance of feast days dedicated to moon goddess or planet.
The metal silver, dedicated to the moon, is associated with Monday.
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khufu
Comment: Tuesday is the third day of the week. In the Roman calendar the corresponding day was dies Martis, the day of Mars, associated with Ares. Tiw's day is derived from Tyr or Tir, the god of honorable war, the wrestler and the son of Odin and, or Woden, the Norse god of war and Frigga, the earth mother. His emblem is the sword, and in olden days the people paid him great homage. Tuesday was named in his honor.
The metal iron, dedicated to Mars and interpreted as his spear and shield, is an attribute of Tuesday.
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khufu
Comment: Wednesday, the fourth day of the week, corresponds to the Roman Dies Mercurii. The name derives from the Scandinavian Woden (Odin), chief god of Norse mythology, who was often called the All Father.
Quicksilver, a liquid mercury that contains amounts of the platinum group metals, has been interpreted as the caduceus of the Greek Hermes (Mercury in Roman myth), and is therefore an attribute of Wednesday.
Silver coin
Hermes
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archcookies
Comment: >khufu I am not white, I think I will leave the discussion now, it has deteriorated to name calling and accusations, we commonly use these tactics when people don't agree with us. I am sorry for those of you that can take the big brush and paint a whole group of people. The whites have been doing it for years and we blacks are no less guilty. It's sad, this is how we end up like the crabs in the buckets refusing to listen to each other and going on the attack. Peace brother and sisters my time here is over.
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khufu
Comment: Thursday is the fifth day of the week. It derives its name from the Middle English Thoresday, or Thursdaye, corresponding to the Roman dies Jovis.
Thor, the god of strength and thunder, defender and help in war, son of Odin, is the counterpart of Jupiter or Jove. Thor is one of the twelve great gods of northern mythology. He is the only god who cannot cross from earth to heaven upon the rainbow, for he is so heavy and powerful that the gods fear it will break under his weight. It was said that whenever Thor threw his hammer, the noise of thunder is heard through the heavens. Thursday was sacred to Thor.
The metal tin is associated with the thunderbolt of Jupiter (Zeus in Greek myth) and is an attribute of Thursday.
I am the Thunderer!
Here in my Northland,
My fastness and fortress,
Reign I forever!
--Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
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khufu
Comment: Sunday is the first day of the week.
From prehistoric times to the close of the fifth century of the Christian era, the worship of the sun was dominant.
Sunday celebrates the sun god, Ra, Helios, Apollo, Ogmios, Mithrias, the sun goddess, Phoebe.
The metal gold, as dedicated in the symbols of alchemy, is associated with the sun god and Sunday.
In the year 321, Constantine the Great ruled that the first day of the week, 'the venerable day of the sun', should be a day of rest. The sun's old association with the first day is responsible for the fact that the Lord's Day of Christianity bears the pagan name of Sunday.
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khufu
Comment: yall keep worhsippin those white gods and their white versions of Black gods (FOR INSTANCE RA) and see where you end up.....LOL...what doe sthis have to do with anything....no matter what YT does to Black folks the hypnotized minds of people like DEEA and Archcookies rule the majority of Black folks and they just cant seek to wake up.........
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ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: Thanks to Renegade & Arch for an interesting dialogue. Lords know the name calling is useless...we all still family...and please no arrows/daggers my way. Thx
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khufu
Comment: ARCHCOOKIE no go!..but know that your analysis is way the fook off...you really need to broaden WHAT you read..you are an agent for white cultural supremacy and you dont even know it.....that's sad......
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duckapoo
Comment: The greenist comedian could have handled those hecklers without attacking an entire minority group. Richards just proved that he is not a comedian, that he is not intelligent, and that he lacks the ability to think on his feet. If he was angry at anyone, it should be at himself for being so pathetic.
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khufu
Comment: DEA or YLAWDY when you bring Jesus next time please bring the REAL Jesus......in His entirety.....and for those who REALLY believe we are all the same...go back and REALLY READ YOUR BIBLE.........if youre SERIOUS about knowing where it states difference I will share.....
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archcookies
Comment: >Khufu I really was agreeing with some of the things you have said. But brother, brother you are no better than the Grand Wizard of the KKK. You spout all of this garbage and because of the volumne of it you think that legitimizes (sp) what you say. You don't know if I am Muslim, Christian, Agnostic or Aetheist, you know nothing about my belief system or who I am and yet you go on a tirade against everyone that has an opinion that is contrary to yours. Put this in you pipe and smoke it, God is Colorless, Without Racial affliation you know why because he is the creater. You have been reading a lot of Nation of Islam bullshyt and books by people with twisted ideology, you accept their thoughts and ideas and facts and resist those that did no agree with you, that make you intolerant and most of all a bigot and that is what you are saying Michael Richards is. I will never be defined by someone that doesn't know me and has some a narrow prospective of the world, everything to you is Black, Black, Black what in the he11 are you doing for your people other than being a smart azz wise cracker who goes off on people that don't agree with them. Have your trantrums if you must but because you don't know me nothing you can say about me is valid.
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FreeMswhite
Comment: Hey, Mother; I am good. I have been here reading and waiting for
a descent subject. I am good, wsup with you. Khufu I would like to discuss
this subj with you in more detail. email me epicjones@hotmail.com
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ladybyrd
Comment: Black People!!! What's going on in here that has this board over 250 Posts??? That damn Kramer... His whole life is a fantasy camp!
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Dammit Arch!! I was over here applauding you for not going off on him and before I can click back you bent down to his level. LOL Come back up here with me girl! I don't always agree with you but I will say you do try to lend a level of respect to your comments which is more than a lot of people are capable of in this anonymous forum. That's why I left earlier once the comments began to deteriorate.
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khufu
Comment: archcookies....the fact that you cite the NOI indicates your liited consciousness......what Isay transcends the NOI, Islam, or any other ideology you might think...LOL..where is your ideological argument? In addition to attacking you personally (which I admit) I offer ideology and proof...where is yours?
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Ho_Lee_Mackeral
Comment: Nue Nue, Mood Ring, MistaO, Khufu... Yall talking loud and saying nothing... Denial is a river in Egypt. I just can't get with the "excuses" you make to justify blak folk being mad about Richards use of the N word. You know that it's ingrained in blak culture (nowadays). And everyone wants to be down or identify with a brother when they see one. (speaking of other nationalities). During a recent trip to Egypt I made the mistake of hanging out with a few blak women walking the shopping district. Every time they heard a beat or a boom they had to stop and shake they azzes. We walked past a bar that was playing music and the sista's commenced to shaking they azzes like crazy.. next thing we know there was a mob and a traffic jam looking at these fools. I looked around and wondered why YT women or even the Egyptian women were'nt doing the same. it all boils down to perception.. Peeps around the world think USA blak women are hores & sluts from seeing MTV & BET video hoes. & these sistas played right into their beliefs. So don't get made when a non-blak addresses you with this so-called derogertory word. BLAME YOURSELVES. & Quit Cha B*tching
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Arch< Well now that I reread your post it wasn't really disrespectful. So I will still applaud you. lol
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phalcon7
Comment: the last time i posted this on a message board the board and the site was closed down: http://www.aztlan.net/protocols.htm. it was a jewish guy who told me to read it so i could understand his thinking: THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION.
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khufu
Comment: IJA it's not about respect but content neither you nor her have any sound well back and researched argument and when that is exposed you hide behide personal sheet..oh yeah I admit I GET PERSONAL but I back my personal sheet up with fact and truth...where is yours? you have none........i say people like you Black skinned know very lil about your own cuture let alone global culture therefore you bring superfcial opinions to discussions and throw them out as gossip and coffee table conversation expecting not to have them challenged...and when you cany ideologically meet the challenge you run and hide by name calling or behind some white versioh of religion...AGAIN I ATTACK PERSONALLY but I ALSO BRING IDEOLOGY AND FACT AND TRUTH
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Ho_lee< your comments are also colored by perception. When black women dance, we are shakin our azz. When other people dance they are dancing. Those women had every right to enjoy the music. You were embarrassed b/c YOU subconsciously felt inferior and judged. When I read your comment I immediately thought of how whites tried to associate African dancing with promiscuity and the opinions of black women have been shaped by that ever since. Sometimes dancing is just dancing.
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khufu
Comment: IJA AND ARCHCOOKIE you come on here looing for acceptance and validation and a dikk while ideological, psychic, cultural and spiritual warfare is being waged against Black folks...well not everyone on here always wants to bathe in the nectars of bullsheet and medicority...I do sometimes but there are times when some serous discussion needs to be had..maybe it's those times you need to leave gron folks alone and leave...and if you do decide to get involved bring some substantial sheet...go read Fanon, Karenga, Sun Tzu, Cameau, Dr. Ben, Jung, The Bible, The Gita, The Quran, DuBois, Freud, Frances Cress-Welsing, Akan Cosmology, The Tao Te Ching, Chancellor Williams, The Metu Netre, The Husia...then come back an talk to me........please.....when you do that then you can understand the length and breadth of what appears to be a smale insignificant comment made by a Kramer...but in reality is an attack on the minds and souls of Black folks
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khufu
Comment: phalcon..yeah i posted Protocols earlier.....
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sgrantla
Comment: o:HHCassius....... No, it shows your ignorant because you missed the point. I've proved my point. Despite it is one, two or three blacks on the show is whole another issue. Get educated and learn to comprehend a statement.
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archcookies
Comment: >khufu A word to the wise is sufficient, when you think that your point of view is the only one to be accepted--you are dangerous. Why do u assume that I think Jesus for that matter is black or white? T^o be perfectly honest it doesn't make any difference to me. You are the one hung up on race, I am not an agent of the White Supremist, (sp) my God why would you formulate that idea? I have to work on my own race issues everyday, because at the end of the day I am still a black person trying to make it in a racist world. I don't have all the answers but brother you are so filled with hatred that your message will never be receieved by right-thinking people. You have put yourself on a pedestal and condemned all of us and you don't ever know us, that's what the Klan used to do to our people, and you doing it to your own people makes it no better.
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khufu
Comment: ARCHCOOKIES not tantrums if you truly understand your africaness..youd understand moments when spirit has you...sometimes we can be like Oracles...but then again, youd know nothing about that now would you?
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archcookies
Comment: >Khufu I have to get graphic here now, you are out of your pfucking mind, let's get real here, I don't know you and don't give a shyt about what you think about me, you sound like a pfucking insane person, check yourself brother before you end up in a padded cell preaching to the dayum roaches, you are way, way off base and the sad thing is there's nobody in the world that can help you cause you know every dayum thing there is to know. What is your occupation if you don't mind you asking and please don't lie.
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YLawdY
Comment: khufu? I don't recall mentioning Jesus.
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Ho_Lee_Mackeral
Comment: >>>>ImJustAsking... In no way shape form or fashion did I feel inferior or judged.. Just embarrassed that our people don't have much fortitude about self respect and value.
How many times have you heard Arab people refer to one another with a racial slur? or ANY DAMNED RACE for that matter? As far as the dancin'...Your attitude of acceptance is akin to that of the prison jailbirds who engage in same sex relations and say "Oh it's not GAY, It's just sex" Duh, Ya wanna buy a bridge in Brooklyn?
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Khufu< since you keep addressing me, I will remind you one last time that you, a long time ago, made my "Annual EurWeb beneath-me list." There are certain people I do not respond to b/c I feel they are beneath my keystrokes. You are one of them.
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2ndChance
Comment: aww archcookies and freemswhite are in the house. i miss the not-so-friendly disagreements you to had back in the day. whatever happened to la2atl. she was funny. i emailed the laugh factory yesterday and they sent me a can reply saying.........
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archcookies
Comment: >khufu AS ONE OF THE AFRICAN ORACLES LET ME SPEAK THIS WORD TO YOU, YOU ARE A DAYUM FOOL.
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2ndChance
Comment: For 28 years the Laugh Factory has prided itself on being the only club that guaranteed laughter. On Friday night the club exercised that pledge and refunded money to its patrons for the first time. We are truly sorry for what happened. This is a comedy club and while we have always supported the comics¹ first amendment rights, we have done so with the understanding that they were exercising that right in an effort to be funny.
We do not support or condone the inappropriate, hurtful and offensive comments that Mr. Richards made on Friday night at the Laugh Factory.
Mr. Richards was scheduled to appear on Saturday night and had informed management of his intention to apologize for his hurtful and unprofessional outburst from the previous night. He failed to do so and disappointed us.
We have made it clear that Mr. Richards is no longer welcomed here. The Laugh Factory is a comedy club not a forum for personal attacks.
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HHCassius
Comment: sgrantla -- my bad, I'm working right now and I guess I fell victim to mob mentality -- I needed someone to bash...sarcasm and irony are wasted on me when I'm working and posting at the same time. Seriously, my bad -- apologies...
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HHCassius
Comment: Lord knows, my wife always says men can't multi-task!
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Ho_lee< Your gay analogy is flawed. And we've already discussed racial slurs used between whites against each other. I don't know about people of other cultures so I can't speak on that plus I'm not one of those people that compares blacks to people of other cultures b/c our circumstancees are unique. Blacks can and should find validation in their actions without looking to the behaviors of other cultures.
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khufu
Comment: archcookies...lol how would I formulate that opinion? read what you say and what you offer as sources......listenit's not whether you agree with me....if a person says something that's off the wall...the sheet is off the wall......ideologically when you speak on something make sure you have ALL the sources to cite....what you offered up as a source to disprove Jewish participation in the slave trade was some pro-zionist propaganda.....if you studied HISTORY... you'd know that European Jews were majot financial investors and backers of the salve trade....now who would arge that fact that can be substantied by doinh simle econmoic and political hstory? Not all Jews but there was Jeiwsh presence...who would argue that in most Black neighborhoods in America, Jews ran the economies? Who would argue that? and who would say that just because a person points those facts out that they hate jews?....a person who is an apologist for the continued subjugation of Black folks by Jews or a person ill-informed---which are you? It has nothing to do with my opininon but with fact........no, truth
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khufu
Comment: IJA but if youhad the dikk youd change your mind as you seem to be more driven by sexual exploits and sexual pursuits than anythig else......
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khufu
Comment: no ARCHCOOKIES not a fool...not mentally dead...not delusional...not mis-lead...not stupid...not overweight....not ignorant....not suffering from lack of acceptance...none of those things...I am free in deed.......
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D_E_A
Comment: Hey Ylawdy I've been chillin. How you been. I see you still here doing your thing. Thats good I hope you have a wonderful hoiday. Now khufu.. I see your head is full of garbage that dont matter.. Tell me something do you believe in God and his son or do you just wanna argue what color jesus was because the bible said he had hair like wool and skin the color of bronze.. First of all when I close my eyes and I vision Jesus all I see is light. I dont get involve with the photos or the movies like you do because it dont matter what color he was or what the movies say about Jews or Gentiles because the only thing that matters is what the lord say in the hly bible. So you can argue about Slavery or what color the cross was or what color he was or what picture look more like him all you like but in the end when we are all judged their will be no excuses for any our wrong doings or sayings..
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archcookies
Comment: >2ND Chance really I am not on here to fight anyone especially FreeMsWhite, and wasn't sparring with anyone but khufu has shown such blatant ignorance that I had to respond to it. I was addressing how I was feeling about situation and Mr. Delusional has gone on about me being white, an agent for white people or the government, he is showing real signs of paranoid Schizophrenia and like he said earlier to another poster he doesn't know he's insane.
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khufu
Comment: YLAWD..come on...any reference here by most and by you...to religion or Bible or God.....is akin to mentioning Jesus.....
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khufu
Comment: last point to people like IJA and Archcookies...you would have more courage challenging a Black person than a white person who dissed you...cowards....you make excuses for the continued disrespct and subjugation of Black folks at the hnads of white folks.......the fervor that you exhibit here defending yourselves against me..show some of that chutzpah (a Yiddish word--not Hebrew) in attacking some white folks who run your lives and your minds.......
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khufu
Comment: DEA..ignorannce.....watch this: when Jesus walkeds the planet, what did he look like? WHen he comes back in the flesh as the Bible says, what will he look like? Let's start there.....
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khufu
Comment: ARCHCOOKIE do you know they said that allthe truly enlightened men of the Most High God were insane?
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archcookies
Comment: >khufu I am glad to be numbered with the likes of IJA. You haven't answered my question what is your occupation, or better yet you sound like a jail house intellectual, you have been so empty that any garbage that supports your own self-hatred and lack of esteem has been ingested by you. Are u Muslim? what is your relgious affliation and your educational background, again you sound like an ex-con that had too much time on his hands and nothing in his head.
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khufu
Comment: DEA...the church you go to: is there a dpection of Jesus there? If so, what does he look like? Im waiting...is there any depiction og him in your house, office or around your neck? if so, what does he look like? Now--dont lie----
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archcookies
Comment: .khufu Now I know you have a screw loose. Don't compare yourself to any of the religious sages your venemous attacks and lack of tolerance puts you right in the category of White Supremist. Think about it brother.
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D_E_A
Comment: khufu: Do you know what bothers me the most is how black brothers and sisters can come up here and write intellgently but still be ignorant. Now thats sad.. You are mentally suppressed by all of the worlds history and you dont even know it. Q. What are you doing to make things better besides running your mouth about history. Will you be feeding any of the poor and homeless black folk this holiday season. Will you be handing out toys to the less unfortunate kids this christmas or will you be home blaming poverty of black folk all on history..
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Arch< khufu is having a meltdown worse than Michael Richards. Now he just throwing out names and whatnot. LMAO Stop heckling him for God sakes.
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khufu
Comment: DEA.....answer my questions....see, here comes the deflections..again we can get personal but i get personal and deal with the issues...intellectual or mental cowards dont....so now I got personal but i still want my questions answered or consider yourself punked!
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goodnplenty1957
Comment: ITS TOO MANY COMMENTS TO READ..BUT THIS IS FACT...i am sure Jerry Seinfeld wouldnt have put up with it had he known this. GEORGE KIRBY is Jerry's best friend and was his best man at his wedding. He wouldnt put and end to the b.s.
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khufu
Comment: ARCHCOOKIEs..i wish I could tell you who I am..i have a bunch of credits on the net..I work in media...having worked in NY and other places...youve seen me in a film or two....i hav epublished...all irrelevant but most importantly I am a free, heterosexual African centered child of the True and Living God who doesnt need validation of this world or white folks to know I AM....now..do you work for a yt? are you in debt to yt? can you define you outside of a white context?
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phalcon7
Comment: none of this is accident. i had a white person point me to a show because she thought is was so real life. i think it's called "The Wire". who do you think green lighted this show. it wasn't the Black people in it. i pointed out to this person who was so unknowledged that the camera never seemed to point at Morgan State, or scan up the road to Howard University. the show is about Black people being low-life, and every other word was MF'er. who do you think green light this crap? it's not Black people that's for sure. understand folks michael richards statements were no accident. he flew into the only rage he knew he could get away with, and jerry seinfeld is just a small minded racist jew, defending a small minded racist jew for doing so. i don't have a problem seeing the world the way it really is, and i don't feel the need to excuse myself or apologize if anyone is offended by this reality. these fools and that club need to be checked. Black people, keep your friends close... you know the rest.
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khufu
Comment: nothing substantial from IJA...no substance...she thinks the lil personal snide remarks have power...not with me....again IJA say yes or no.....you seem to be the type of person more concerned with dikk than anything wlse.......is that true or not? now, that was personal intended to define you...I would rather be defined as an ultra, proud, loud mouth, psuedo-intellectual than a woman who is well-disguisedho......who constantly speaks words about sex and men's dikks.....come back
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khufu
Comment: still nothing from DEA whose Christianity has disappeared.......
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D_E_A
Comment: We dont have pictures in my church. I go to a non-dinomination church.. We dont get into what Jesus looks like or what the world wants him to look like. We try to live our lives according to his word and thats it.. When and why do we get involved or caught up with what he looks like? Why? for what? What wil that do for you? Will it make you happy or proud if Jeasus is black? What do you care? All you should care about is what he did for you and what you should be doing for him in return. That is all he talks about. He dont mention anything about the color of his skin or the texture of his hair but for some reason people skip over everything that he preached about and go straight to ( What color was he?) (Wasnt the Garden of Eden in Africa?) Wa Wa Wa Wa Wa.. Stop Whining...
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khufu
Comment: ignorance from ARCHCOOKIE...why do I have to be a muslim? dont you have any other references (ideological or otherwise)? You are so ignorant........
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khufu
Comment: now we can tal DEA..I agree with most of what you said in the last post...however...when he walked the planet what did he look like?
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Renegade
Comment: Well DEA, I know for a fact that he was/is not WHITE!
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D_E_A
Comment: But tell me even if he was black what do it matter.. ?
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khufu
Comment: also DEA..you ask if Eden was in Africa...im sorry you SHOULD know this..youre the one who brought it all up...that's my point...but I wont reprimand you on that...I am changing my tone as what you said cannt be disputed...listen, in Genesis is the evidence of Jesus ethnicity and he was African....as were the descnedants of Ham's children and Shem's........it is imporatnt to know for many reasons......one the peole of the book were tracable to SHem....European Jews are taracable to Ashkenaz and therefore not Semitic and not the "people of the promise" or the "people of the book." That is Biblical research it......now as He will return physically as well as Spiritually, is it not logical that he will look the same? If you believe he is coming back physically......
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Renegade
Comment: DEA it is obvious that it matters in this highly racist society.
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2ndChance
Comment: goodnplenty I'm with you. There are way too many posts to read. LOL The sad thing about this is most of our top comedians are in no position to speak on this subject. They throw out the N word like it's nothing. Someone did tell me Sinbad appeared on CNN last night. From what they gathered he had been at the club that night as well.
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MOTHERSHIP
Comment: MSWHITE, you have mail!
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khufu
Comment: Now DEA now all the other stuf is out the way let's talk and reason....my apologies If I offended you.....LOL...now, the fundamental question one who believes in HIm has to ask is this (and I believe in Him): Is he coming back? and if so is he coming back physically..if so I one has to be clear on what he will really look like. SOme say their spirit will confess but the Bible speaks of many being deceived does it not?
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archcookies
Comment: >khufu send me to your website I want to see what you've done cause frankly I don't believe any of this, and again I ask you what is your occupation and what are your educational crediential, (Oh I forgot) you don't ascribe to whitey's schools do you?
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khufu
Comment: NOW DEA...if Jesus is African and he is not the person in the pix and on the crosses then who are so many Black folks worshipping? Surely not the TRue Messiah but an impostor.....a substitute...well, sure ly you know who the God of lies is according to the Bible? ANd as we are bombarded with this white Jesus, many when they close their eyes see this imposter---who are they praying to? Who are they entrusting to save their souls, set them free and come back to rapture them? Jim Jones?
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khufu
Comment: ARCHCOOKIES...we are all here incognito..cant do...and why do I have to be substantiated by yt and by the world? girl you keep proving my point.....
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khufu
Comment: DEA..Im almost finished 'cause I know yall tired of me...but time is of the essence...LOL.....you believe color doesnt matter? then why did more peole BLACK AND WHITE support Mel Gibson's film and not The Color of The Cross? Hmmmm...you believe colour of Jesus doesnt matter...then ask some folks if Jesus was Black and see the problems it will cause.......you have children? COnduct this expereiment...take your child and give thema a white god and a Black one to choose from and see what they do? this wouldnt bother you?
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D_E_A
Comment: Khufu: I didnt ask where the Garden of Eden was I asked why do people wanna know where it was. Wa wa wa stop whining that is what I said.. you should read just a lil more careful before responding. That we you dont get reprimanded... And so you know I am working Im not running from any of your questions but I have to tell you that the black power boat trip your on is sinking and your going down with it.. Get with the program. Do you know why racism will never ever die.. Because people like you hold on to it.. I told you that we are all from the blood line of Adam and Eve so that means we are all family.. I dont know about you but I love my people no-matter the color but just like I got ignorant immediate family I have to deal with, I also have to deal with some of my distant family's ignorance also..
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FreeMswhite
Comment: Arch, I know that we do not agree that about anything.
But I had to comment on your opinion of the use of the N word in
the black community. Before I accuse u, I want to make sure
that you in fact can not distinguish the usage of it with blacks/whites.
And did you "see" the video. Comics; That has been going on since the
beginning of time; Kings and Queens of mother Africa used clowns to
entertain them it was a great profession then and now. It does not negate
social responsibilty, but what Richard did wasa heart felt attack.
I think that you and this is just from observing what you type and how
you respond you have some insecurities with the way you look. Because I know
Fat people who enjoy the fat jokes at a comedy club and toothless people
who enjoy a good laugh at their expense. It is comdey. Outside of that ( * SHAKING MY HEAD* )
The points Khufu were making are valid points. I know and from a credible source that
Christianity was spoon fed to slaves to "calm them down". I dont see kufu comments
as negative or anything like that. In fact, it is a blessing that he is knolegeable
and can spread the word which would not be so in another time. Black people
we are in fact the lost people. Take the time to be found; There are so
many resources out there that will put you in the know. I dont have the time
thank God Kufu is a great typist because I am not. But I am definitely in the know
not that what you know is not a good thing. But unfortunately what we "know"
is just what the doctor ordered. Good Day,..
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archcookies
Comment: To the Board at large Khufu (what does that mean, brains full of shyt?) has challenged everyone that doesn't believe in him--You have asked others questions and answer none yourself, if you are so educated and have been posted on the web please give me your info and I'll and check you out, if not shut the pfuck up because we all know that the internet is "Disneyland for the twisted and deranged." You my ULTRA BLACK BROTHER fit that description to a tee. SHOW ME WHERE YOUR CREDENTIALS ARE AND WHO YOU ARE AND I'LL SHUT IF---IF YOU CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING ELSE GET OFF THE SOAP BOX BEFORE YOU SLIP AND FALL ON THE BULLSHYT THAT YOU KEEP SPOUTING.
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khufu
Comment: last thing DEA to consider..that's all...Proverbs says: "Study to show thyself approved".....the notion that we are all the "same:.....1) in the Bible, Cain slew Abel and is cursed right? Then Cain has children, right? They are all cursed right? Look at the names of Cain's chiuldren..........then look to Seth...their other son that had to be born as Jesus could not come frm Cain right as Cain's seed was cursed right? read it it's all there...now Seth's seed...they all have sil=milar names to those of Cain........interesting...well who are the seed of Cain if the Bible follows Seth's seeds in oder to chart the course of the coming of the Messiah.......we are all not the same...that's one story there, you want another?
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archcookies
Comment: >FreeMsWhite You are so pitiful.
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khufu
Comment: In Genesis it sas that the SOns of God had sex with the daughters of men and had childen....who are they? where did they go? and if they were the SOns of God---what does that mean? SOme say that this race of "men" were killed during the flood.....are you sure? Were Cain's children also killed during the flood?
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katgrrrl
Comment: Yup, now we know the real reason there were hardly any Blacks on "Seinfeld". But, I really can't say I'm surprised. In a perfect world, there would be no racism or animosity of any kind, expecially amongst OURSELVES. But, it's always in the back of my mind when I meet a YT person. Brief story about the ignorance of some racist jews... Shortly after I started working at my current job, I was talking to a co-worker of mine (happens to be jewish) about a snow storm that had past. I said I didn't really mind the snow. Anywho, she then says to me "well, I live in a HOUSE. I have to shovel when it snows". (Yes, emphasis on the word "house") With those few words, she told me all I neede to know about her. BTW, I live in a house too, but after she made that comment, I didn't feel the need to carry on a conversation with her. Just recently, she asked a Spanish (from Spain, college educated, works in I.T.) co-worker of ours to carry a box for her. When he walked away, she said to another co-worker "it's good to have Puerto-Ricans around". Honey, I don't know if I can bite my tongue much longer with this chick!
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kblackelegance
Comment: archcookies>> What recurring black characters were on Steinfeld??? The only character that was on Friends, was on towards the end of the show. (I forget her name). Will and Grace had Gregory Hines right before he died. I know these shows are white shows that are written for white people about their lives. But as I pointed out earlier These shows are supposedly based in New York and you rarely ever see black people as fillers or passing by in a scene.
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khufu
Comment: LOL DEA your lost...I bring you clear Bibliocal proof and you still dont get it....you go to church becasue it's the thing to do...becasue yo momma did it...lost......
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D_E_A
Comment: Cain is still the son of adam no matter if the bible followed Seth.. We are all from adam.. it doesnt matter about cain. Adam was the first. Whether the bible followed cain and not seth or seth and not cain my point is we are all from adam..
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khufu
Comment: hey lost DEA maybe folks want to know becsue they want to know who they really are and not who yt keeps telling them they are the N word..you are contect with being the person Kramer described
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archcookies
Comment: kblackelegance---Someone mentioned the Morris fellow that played a lawyer and then there was the guy that played a part (reurring) of someone in the Yankee organization, I think he was George's boss, there may have been others but those two appeared more than one time. I am not trying to defend Seinfeld but let's be fair blacks did work on the show.
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khufu
Comment: DEA...dea you ever actually read the Bible? if lineage werent important do you think the Bible would deal with it so much? Christ, could not have come from Cain's seed for a reason, injit. LOL He had to come from the seed of Seth. You keep saying WE ALL THE SAME when the Bible is filled with stories saying that's not true.......ever hear of a demon seed? Cain's seed was cursed.......so maybe there is a cursed race? I dunno. Seems to me that some are more destructive than others.
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ImJustAsking
Comment: kattgyrl< I LMAO at your story about your racist coworker. When people say stuff like that I really do find it hilarious until I realize that they could one day be in a position of power. But dang, mad@puerto ricans being the box carriers.
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archcookies
Comment: >kuhufu I am still waiting on some proof of your occupation since you are listed on the web what shows did you appear in? Are you an ex-con I have heard this religious jargon from a lot of ex cons who convert to muslim or some variation of it.
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khufu
Comment: archcookies....i dont have to prove anything to you...seems to me you have to prove you have some intelligence...and you seem to think that a job or profession deems one intelligent? or informed? what you have to prove i that oyou know something other than your opinion
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kblackelegance
Comment: archcookies>> Ok I'll take your word for it. I must admit I didn't watch the show, because it did nothing for me. But I've always notice the lack of cultural flavor and representation that is truly New York City, which would've given these shows balance. Blacks may have worked the show, but I don't think it was on a consistent basis. But then again I didn't watch Steinfeld like that and I wasn't a fan of the show.
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D_E_A
Comment: Sorry Im Not Content Im just humble. I dont care what any one says because I know who I am and who the lord tells me I am so therefore if you being ignorant, I dont have to respond. Listen I dont go to church because its the thing to do. I've read many books and as a youth I followed Dr Malechi Z. york. So I know what your talking about. But What I am trying to say is the bible says that we are all God's Children no matter if he is black or white.. It says we are all his kids and that makes us all family. Im not trying to convince any one to understand. We were all given choices and in the end we will all be judged by the choices we make in this world. If you believe in God whether he's black in you mind or white, you must know that he does not tolerate ignorance or bad talking your friends or foes. So if we are to see each other on the mothership (lol) or in heaven where the angels sit, We all need to be on our best behavior... Peace and good night I love you all.
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archcookies
Comment: >kuhufu you been doing that all afternoon trying to prove how right you are and how wrong ALL the rest of us are. Really if you are this expert, on theology and racial matters please refer to a book that you have written (not read) you are on point to ask others to answer your queries but you softshoe away from answering anything sustiative. You are just one more internet genius trying to impress everyone on line with your line BS. I am out of here. Ya'll can let this bully/fool imtimidate you if you want to he is just as vapid and trivial as that other well known expert FreeMsWhite--girl you another one that knows every dayum thing in the world too. Chao.
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khufu
Comment: archcookies...youre sad LOL you "heard" what do you know..I know that Malcom was an intelligent Black man b4 and after prison...I know DuBois was an intelligent Black man before and after university..I know George Washington Carver was an oracle.......what do you know? nothing....what does occupatoin have to do with intelligence or enlightenment or truth? Nothing except to those who have lead their lives based on what other have TOLD THEM...or based on gossip as true knowledge and information....back down...you dont stand a chance.......see, regardless to you deflecting from the turth that you know nothing of substance TRUTH REMAINS.....you have yet to intelleigently or occupationally present a sound argument to support yourself or defend yourself againt my tirardes....so If I were a jail house philosopher you just were shown intellectually inferior to one...what would that say about you, your schooling or your occupation......?
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khufu
Comment: ARCHCOOKIES...my mission this afternoon is to show how ignant you and IJA and DEA are......not all "All of us" nice ploy to garner support and sympathy..read The Art of War
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D_E_A
Comment: ok smarty where did seth come from..? and jesus didnt have any children so why do you keep mentioning jesus as if I said we come from him.. You know what I think. I dont think you know anything.. Hear yourself. I say we all came from adam and you say we couldnt have came from cain because the bible follows seth but,,,,, who did seth come from....
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khufu
Comment: ARCHCOOKIES check your spelling on the Italian word for "later."
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archcookies
Comment: .KUHUFU TELL ME YOUR CREDENTIAL LET US KNOW WHO YOU ARE SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO FOLLOW YOUR INTELLECTUAL PERSUITS, I DON'T NEED THE BOARD'S ATTENTION CAUSE I GOT A LIFE YOU PSUEDO-INTELLECTUAL YOU LEARN THAT SHYT IN JAIL AND YOU KNOW IT, HEARD IT ALL BEFORE FROM EX-CONS.
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khufu
Comment: ARCH mine are typos not mispellings of words I am misusing becasue I dont know how to spell them
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khufu
Comment: DEA I keep answering your questions but you dont answer mine...what does that say? LOL im having fun with you guys..listen...In order for the Most High to fulfill the promise of A messiah it could not be done through CAin as Cain had committed a big sin: read the Bible. Seth is child of ADam and Eve...but he was different than CAin...READ YOUR BIBLE.......LOL dont you go to church? ob but the church aint in you yet? LOL
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D_E_A
Comment: khufu answer my question since you think we are all different.. wo did seth come from? Who's blood line charlie browns.
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khufu
Comment: DEA: Seth means: "The appointed one"; Cain was the first murderer...the promise of the coming of the Messiah....who could it come through--which one? Girl you need to stop arguing that which you know not.....back down
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DCGG
Comment: This pank azz bytch got ya'll... over 200 mofo post on this bytch but let something relevent come up and it won't even make it to 20...again muthafuvk KKKramer and stop letting the media dictate what's important...
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khufu
Comment: EA LO that charlie brown comment was funny I like you based on that one...LOL I did answer guhl...."Beware how you entertain strangers, for some have entertained Angels unaware".
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khufu
Comment: im piut peace....archcookies.....stop eating those cookies so much...the sugar is clouding yo brain......IJA....the perfect screw is coming if that's what you desire...DEA.....nothin but love 4 ya
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D_E_A
Comment: ok so what your saying that we are not of the blood line of cain's and since we are not we are not related to anyone who came from cane .. Wow ok.. But help me to understand how we are not related when cain came from adam.. Even though the promise could not come to pass through cain does not mean there are no people on this planet from his blood line.. What are you saying.. PEOPLE DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TRY TO DISECT THE BIBLE>> YOU END UP A BABBLING FOOL>> Khufu you need to go home you sound like a real clown but I guess thats all you have to do,..
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khufu
Comment: dea: so i guess your minister's dissection of the Bible is not the ranting of a fool? Or the white folks you watch on TV? Becasue you donr agree or understand, why is it foolish? Offer me something bette then--save my misguided soul......
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D_E_A
Comment: The bible is written well enough for us all to understand. My pastor dont disect.. he tells you word for word what it says in the bible and he breaks it down. He dont try to say god meant this when he did this or jesus says this when he said this.. No God meant exactly what is written already and Jesus saqid and did Exactly what is written already.. Not what you say he did or not what you or anyone say he meant when he said this.. So you know I am a man not a female..
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khufu
Comment: DEA you will say that YOUR minsiter is truly guided right? says who? You know what--youre right. I am foolish. Tell me then....what does that mean? WHat does it mean thet Cain's children as listed in Gen 4:17 have the same namess as Seths in Gen 4:25,26 and Gen 5......explain to this fool or you have proven yourself the bigger fool...I offer Biblical proof
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khufu
Comment: okay so break it don..I gave you scriptures where it clearly states that Cain's seed is one lineage and that later, after Cain, Adam and Eve had seth and that the Geneaology of the Patriarchs follows Seth's and not Cain's.....oh enlighted church goer save the soul of this fool....you YIU SAID WERE ALL THE SAME AND THE BIBLE CLEARLY INDICATES two lineages......
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NYCsoul
Comment: I am not down with the personal attacks but this time, I agree with Khufu. Just because we have personal issues within our community including the constant use of the 'n' word, does NOT excuse somebody else's incorrect behavior. Richards was WRONG AND RACIST as the day is long. And I wish we'd leave God and jesus out of it. What does that have to do with the cost of tea in China? It is highly manipulative and disingeninue to invoke the name of God for a faulty argument. It is also HIGHLY arrogant to make the assumption that everyone is christian or any other religion. Where does it say in religion that you have sit back and allow folks to disrespect you? Violence, hatred, greed and every other human fraility has been played out in the bible (a book which has been altered by MAN). So why do black people ALWAYS have to kiss up and turn the other cheek when our %*$es get kicked? I swear, we'll us be behind because of this kind of mentality. We seemed to scared to fight for anything.
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D_E_A
Comment: lol.. do you not know of anyone in your generation with the same name as an ancestor of yours.. I cant believe you would use that to back your claim.. Ok we all have common sense right.. Even if the promise could not be through cain, it does not mean we are all still not related my dear. Cain was cursed so for sure God would not allow his son to have any part of him. But cain was still the son of Adam cursed or not and cain still had children for generations to come and to come so are they not related to the same descendants of seth.?
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khufu
Comment: come on DEA as the Bible is so clearly written explain to us who are foolish.....explai and Biblically support your notion that we are all the same...and as youre doing that PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY CAIN'S SEED NA D OFF SPRING ARE DIFFEREN THAN SETHS AND WHY GOD CHOSE TO FOLLOW SETH'S AND NOT CAIN'S.......Im waiting for nothing more than an explantion...not a diversion or deflection
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khufu
Comment: of course they are related....but I want you to tell me what you believe or know to be true as told to you by your minister...as Cain's seed is the cursed seed...what did that mean? and could it be that we are all not the same as some like to idelaisitically put forth?
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FreeMswhite
Comment: I am pitiful right. Okay, then I take your pity it's the most honest
non self serving comment you have made today. I want to say something
and it is not just for Arch. But as a black woman ( if u are) how much of
your own history do you know., Because you beat the bible like you wrote
it. It is all laid out for you and ready for you to discover if you uncover
it. You keep pressing this man to give you facts and he has numerous times.
I'll be pitiful,but at least I am knowledgeable about many things outside
of what was taught or forced down my throat. This conversation can go on
and on because a lot of people do now ant to accept the fact that their mothers
mothers could be wrong. I can respect that so I will not get on you. But
be receptive to other things or you will never have anything to weigh
the truth against. Thank You,..and That is Mrs. Pitiful..I am taken...
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khufu
Comment: see I am defending my thesis that it is possible BIBLICALY that we really arent all the same........disprove, Biblically, my thesis...and if you look at the history of man...there are collective ethnic/biological/behavioural differences.......you say Black folks and whites are THE SAME...I say MAYBE NOT.....oh we are related as they came from us........but maybe the differences are deeper than what you might think.......so tell me of Cain's children....didnt God curse him and/or his seed?
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khufu
Comment: DEA...do you know that the original Hebrews Jews were African? and I can prove this Biblically...does that make me a good Hebrew, a knowledgable Christian or just plain militant?
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D_E_A
Comment: Thank you miss Freemswhite and goodnite to khufu.. I see that you have been reading the same books Ive read as a youth. I am 33 years old now and I am very happy that I've come out of the darkness.. I hope the same for you too. You have a lovely night. and to NYC Soul, When Jesus was whooped and beat and hung on the cross what did he say? (Father Pls forgive them for thet do not Know)He did nto snap his fingers and make then break in half or God his father did not shoot lightning from heaven. So with that being said, the bible did not have to tell you beaice Jesus Showed you what to do...
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jboy
Comment: TOO MANY D@MNED POSTS TO READ. But of the ones I have read so far, I have come to this conclusion: archcookies & D.E.A. are like the kids from the 'good' family whose parents taught them to play well with others and to be respectful of others. KHUFOOL on the other hand comes across as the playground bully. Probably been kicked around and made to feel small by other bullies, so he seeks out those he thinks are weaker and subjects them to pushes, shoves, sneers, and LOTS of name-calling until they bow down and agrees with whatever he says. NOTE TO ARCH & D.E.A. : Walk away from jerks like this. Sparring with them is like wrestling with a pig -- It'll only get you dirty and the pig will never give in because he LIKES it.
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FreeMswhite
Comment: just a tid bid for ya'll . We are all aware that the bible also
stated that blacks were from apes and with out salvation. But all of those
copies have been re written. ( re- Written)...Lol. Khufu. you can not
enlighten people who dont want to hear it. It tares down the fabric of their
whole lives and I can respect that because I was once that way. Until, I found
out. Ever wonder why black people have so much rhythm, it's because we belong
here adn we move to the beat of the earth. We are in tune with this planet.
Go figure-.. fill in the blanks for the rhythmless, but yall are not ready
for that. Nothing more sad then the state of Black America we are so
Americanized that we will fight our own people to prove a point that relates
to them.
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D_E_A
Comment: Jboy great advise..
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Name:
GHank
Comment: Nothing will change unless we start to become a community. Chants and slogans alone won't do it. Hopefully, this will be the plattform to do something.
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FreeMswhite
Comment: JBOY; Wait a minute. This is what lyndon B Johnson said about black people.
I will have those niccas voting democrat for the next 200 hundred years.
I have read all of the posts and how so; is it bullying. It is fact, the only
facts that the other posters post are from what they read in the bible and
for all of us who have researched outside of that and uncovered what the deal
really is. If anything, Arch played devils advocate the whole day with wanting him
to uncover who her is as a person. which is so not relative and her
comments about hearing it from ex cons is alarming. I mean how many do you
know and better yet. Knowledge is key, you can not be all knowing if you
only have opinions based off of one source. I mean my god, am I on the
same website as you guys are does all one see is Khufu disputiing the bible.
What do you think the reason for the middle eastern war that is going on.
We are the ONLY people that are not aware. Every one else is because they have
history dated,a dn written and available that surpass this version of the bible..
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NYCsoul
Comment: DEA- I've heard it all before but it all this religious talk is not going to liberate us from our chains. Spirituality is important but I don't get bogged down in dogma and repeating scriptures. Alot of people know the bible inside out but don't walk the walk. None of that phases me. And I stated before, it's mighty arrogant to think that everyone subscribes to one religion. That shows a lack of tolerance, IMO. The same thing we are discussing in terms of Richards' comments. I also want to know why are black people FORCED to subscribe to this mentality by other blacks that we should allow folks to treat us like dirt. I want to know why only this kind of religious doctrine is only directed towards blacks when this kind of nonsense is spewed and if anyone disagrees with it, they have be of some other domination(sp?). This is what I want to know.....
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NYCsoul
Comment: How can you 'bully' someone through the internet? That sounds crazy!
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FreeMswhite
Comment: MY,. .great comment
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kblackelegance
Comment: Hello Freemswhite Am I misunderstanding you? Where is it written in the Bible that blacks are from apes and without Salvation??? I'm gagging! ! ! ! !
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khufu
Comment: jboy youre right LOL and if i ever saw you id make you kiss my dikk LOL oh that was really ghetto wasnt it.......
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Name:
khufu
Comment: seriously though JBOY and what do you have to add to any of the content as opposed to process? How can one be bullied? Seems to me you have the issues not me..I am merely expressing my posiiton and attacking others.....where is the bullying? You sound insecure and a victim of being bullied at some point in your life.......I attacked ARCHCOOKIES yes and DEA yes...and they could not defend their arguments.....the problem is not with me my dear boy...jboy....and youre a coward for not coming into defent them or there positions...same thing you would have done at Kramer's performace...ideological punk
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NYCsoul
Comment: Msfreewhite: We disagree about Lil Kim but we are >here< on this topic. As far as I'm concerned, some of christians who preach all this love and peace jargon are also the most hypocritical and hateful bunch. These are the same ones who want to deny a woman's right to chose, hates gay people, against sex education and everything else. Yet, say anything that goes against the status quo and they accuse you of being a bigot. Go figure!
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FreeMswhite
Comment: It was in the bible before they re wrote it. Ask a older white person or black person. That is how they justified raping and beating us.. I can not believe yall dont know that
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NYCsoul
Comment: Msfreewhite: Don't hurt your head. The fact is the bible has been watered down and altered that the real story has been obsured. If you want to real story, go the Vatican. The truth books of what happened BC is there. The Catholic church and The Pope knows this. That's why they are fighting so hard to stay in power and relevant to their followers.
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FreeMswhite
Comment: Ny; It is sad. very.. I think about this all the time. Because I am black and it hurts me to a degree...Because we
have 100 black million churches preaching the same stuff re organized to look better..
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TesticAl
Comment: Y'all know me and you know what I do.LOL! Y'all NIGGAZ are crayzee!
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kbig
Comment: I get so tired of people saying, 'Well, Black folks call each other ni**ers all the time, what's the big deal if white people say it?' Well, women call each other bitc*es and who*es, too, in jest and playing, but would it make it right if a man called a woman a whoooore? No it wouldn't. I live in L.A., as many people on this board do, and the Comedy Store wasn't full of Black people that night. Screaming 'He's a ni**er'! repeatedly at the guy was meant to demean and turn the crown on the guy. Period. FuKK that Eraserhead Jewish bastard. Jerry Seinfeld just had Michael Richards on Letterman so people will keep buying the 'Seinfeld' DVDs that are still coming out. Yaaawn.
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Sexee
Comment: Wake up call did you get it? It's time for black to redirect their funds in black oriented businesses and entertainment. $$ is the only thing people understand. Black men honor your women, people don't respect you because you do not honor your own. Black women honor thyself. We are not b*tches or whores.
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FreeMswhite
Comment: Hey Testic- I will accept that from you.
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RealityCheck
Comment: Surprised? Not me.. I am not fooled by the world. I know that he is not alone. There are many others just like them that have racism rooted in their blood. This is how it is. It is easy to be tricked in Hollywood and even in corporate when you get a few duckets, trinkets and an office with a view. America is not as far along as Martin Luther King Dreamed in my view. They have just done a good makeup job making it look like it and feel like it. But Racism is Alive and Well.
Did you hear that lady in the end ask the question "Is everyone leaving?". She wasn't even appalled enough to leave. Some people laughed at the fork statement.
Dude will be back in TV shows soon too. But, put that in reverse (Janet Jackson) You would be banned for life and record sales would plummet. Her offense wasn't even close to his or Mel Gibson's. Noe Mel has a movie out.
Something to think about......
Checkman OUT
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KappaMan69
Comment: The owner of that Comedy Club has some explaining to do for they allowed Richards to perform the very next day, not reognizing that his tirade was enough to be cancelled
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KappaMan69
Comment: The David Letterman show was the wrong venue for Richards to be airing an apology to Black people. Jerry Seinfeld used Richards to help promote the sale of the Seinfeld CD's.
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curliegirl
Comment: this was a wake up call! like Spike Lee said in the film "Do The Right Thing" it's time to WAKE UP!!! We are still thought of that way by whitey, it's just that most of them have enough sense not to say it in front of us. I also believe that Michael Richards didn't know that he was "busted" If no one was taping this, he would have gotten away with it. To white folks who walked out and who find what was said, thanks.
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DDQueen
Comment: I think that some of the comments made on this page, particuarly the racist sounding ones are a joke, because this is a website about Black entertainment, why would someone come here just to provoke people to be upset? Who knows? Because the word %*$!( won't seem to die, honestly him calling the black man a %*$!( didn't get to me as much as what he said about having a fork in his %*$ years ago and referring to himself as the man, although he thought that was a joke, I feel he really thinks he is superior to us and the guy who made the comment way below about forget slavery, how can we, when they keep reminding us that even though you drive a Benz, you still a %*$!( (as in inferior to them)? Racism is alive and well, this didn't have to happen to tell us.
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TesticAl
Comment: FreeMswhite, you are off the hook! LMAO!
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oldsoul
Comment: I'm glad that he said it. He meant to say it. We need think about the energy we release when we say it. Let me say it (again): It will be some bullsh*t like this or worse that stirs up first just so we can act right. Damm.
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oldsoul
Comment: I'm glad that he said it. He meant to say it. We need think about the energy we release when we say it. Let me say it (again): It will be some bullsh*t like this or worse that stirs us up first just so we can act right. Damm.
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ZeeMee4U
Comment: Everyone seems to be missing the even bigger picture. Folks are going crazy that Richards used the n-word when in fact he said something even more serious. Richards said that "If it were 50 years ago they would have been hanging us up and sticking a fork up our behinds". This shows the malice in which he truly felt. All nations of people are now calling themselves the n-word but not many would tolerate someone talking about sticking a fork up their butts.
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StardeGiel
Comment: Its amazing how much ignorance and racist views Michael Richards brought to the surface. Not only his own hidden or unconcious racism, but the racist responses by some of the ignorant listed below the article. Especially, the one that says slavery is over and continues to use the "n" word. He clearly has never suffered under the rigors of slavery, Jim Crow, Apartheid or just plain everyday racism that people of color suffer under on a daily basis. He says get over it -- well, Black folks would love to get over it if only white folks wouldnt keep racism institutionalized and be the proponents and executors of racism.
If people of color are racists, they are reactionary racists. Reacting to the racism that they suffer under the white reign that goes all over the world. Whites love to tell the people of color to get over it, to blame the victim. They do this because who has the greatest numbers of death on their souls, if not them. Is it Black people, Hispanic People, Asian People dropping bombs, building weapons of mass destruction to kill people throughout the world? Is it people of color creating viruses in laboratories? Is it coloured greed that is stealing the natural resources from the lands of the people of color, while behaving as if they have some kind of entitlement to it? Is it the industry of peoples of color that is poisioning the waters and land and the food we eat? Is it people of color controlling the economy and creating poor throughout the world? Is it? No, it is the white race with oceans of blood on their heads from the millions and millions and millons of murders they have done since they crawled out of their caves and shown their arrogance and hypocracy to this planet. Yet to tell them this would be to risk being labeled a racist, when in fact its merely telling them the truth. A truth EVERYONE knows but the White man, because he refuses to look in the mirror. He cant for to admit the cruelty and heinousness of his crimes would be to face himself and what he is. I think the answer to that scares the white man to death.
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TRIPLETHREAT
Comment: Even tho I didn't read post comments and whats his name comments but I did read the later and as I said knowing the word and growing up in the 60's and whether they was black or white they said it the same to cause harm and degrade you and as some said if it takes the hurt of how and when you say it some blacks whether educated to the word or not takes it in stride and as I said on the other article growing up with several different race they knew what was in my heart when I said what I said but as far as Jews and Arabs cowdillians muslims if you say it and we where not former freinds the wars you having now ain't %*$! and if Cornell Powell was still in service this Draft the new man is talking about for the war would only concern whites cause the brothers who fought for this country told their kins %*$! America if you're black THINK of AGENT ORANGE and of course no medical benefits and no medals of recognition which some whites who's loved 1's are dead can agree with that but if you're still saying my child died dowing what he or she loved then yaw some redneck chicken %*$! mutha fu but I have to say my GOD HAVE PEACE ON EARTH AND IN AMERICA IF THERES A DRAFT BLACK PEOPLE AIN'T FIGHTING A WHITE WAR UNLES YOU START IT WITH US AND THATS MY WORD
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Name:
KappaMan69
Comment: Naji Ali needs to contact Mark S. Allen in Chicago as people are saying that the next generation of Black Leadership is silent on this issue.
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njack731
Comment: For the life of me I can't fathom why a Black man would even be at his show. The guy is simply not funny. Also, Richards should be very grateful that no real n*g*e*rs were in the audience. Had there been, he would have had his behind handed to him, or as we say her in Georgia: "We would have torn him a new one"
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KappaMan69
Comment: Why are spinsters trying to limit this to the N-Word? He went allthe way back to a Black man has no right that a Whiteman respects., and the tragedies of Emmit Till and other where whites could use any reason to inflict pain on Black people.
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bleeding_heart_liberal
Comment: I take issue with this author comparing Abbie Michael Richards (Kramer) to David Duke. David Duke would never say any of the atrocious things Richards said. The media is filled with lies and BS and I have learned long ago to double check what is said in the media. Among the millions of lies in the media are those about David Duke--and mind you, I am a LIBERAL writing these words. I strongly urge people to start reading and watching these lying writers with a more critical eye.
If you don't believe me about David Duke, then do what you should have been doing all along and check everything out for yourself--including what he has to say. Go to his website at davidduke dot com, look for November 24, and you will see a transcript of his commentary on "David Duke on Kramer, the “N Word”, Racism, Violence, Israel and Palestinians"
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Name:
whatdat
Comment: Last week i accused you of calling Africans dumb azz. You said it wasn't you and that i should check my facts. I did check and you are right. Someone else made that comment. It definitely is an egregious mistake on my part to have trusted my memory. My deepest apology for attributing to you a comment someone else made. Please forgive my indiscretion.
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Name:
whatdat
Comment: That's addressed to ImJustAsking.
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Name:
Peekiebear
Comment: I thought that this was at least ONE place where a Black person could air their views without Whites who have a "bone to pick" have to come in and "infect" this arena. I have been to PLENTY of websites where the "N" word is used frequently and lustily- even when it has NOTHING to do with Black people. Using the pathetic excuse that "Well, he used the word why can't I?" shows your true intentions. And let's not kid yourselves- your hatred of Black people is simply your own projected anger and revulsion toward yourselves.
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RMP7772000
Comment: OK,I just made copies of the nasty comments complementing michael on his
racial insults. And plan to show them to someof our young people and let them know it's not ok to call each other the "N" word as joke or for anyother reason. And explain our ancesters struggles! A lot of the rest of you need to maake copies to kepp you
reminded of this updated (2006) racial act!
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