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fanteeking
Comment: Ching, ching, ching! Money being shaken from Richards' pocket and hitting the sidewalk. Go get him, Reverends Jackson & Sharpton!!!
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star
Comment: Richards is sorry because his comments have damaged his reputation. If I'm mad at someone I'm not going to call them racist names. This brings me back to the old debate about using the N word. It's ok for blacks to use it on each other, but when someone else says it we're calling Al Sharpton, Jessie, getting lawyers etc. I try to understand when people say it's different, we use the word as endearment, but when something like the Richards incident pops up we're mad! What do we stand for?
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CrazzeeGyrl
Comment: I really don't have any sympathy for Richards. I believe the apology, the PR expert and talking with Jesse & Al is merely for his benefit. I'm not convinced that there is real remorse. Comedians get heckled all the time but spewing racial slurs at the heckler is wrong.
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CoCoCaramel
Comment: Note to yt america: Jesse and Al are not the voices of black america, they do not speak for all of us...NOte to Michael Richards: Why should you apologize for something that you feel is true..all you did was expose your true self, YOU ARE A RACIST!!!...there should be no apology for being you...you need to just go away for awhile and %*$ess the damage that you have done to your career... but don't worry the NAACP will have you donating some money to a worthy black cause and put you on their awards show as a presenter to show everyone that you are not really a racist....In my opinion the damage has already been done and there is nothing that you could ever do to convince me that you are not A RACIST!!!
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yardi76
Comment: This is all foolish. I am tired of people running to Jesse Jackson like he is the voicebox of the community. He is far from that. The issue is that everyone is making light of his words, forget that he used the "N" word, this dude was talking about lynching and stuff, and that is off limits, we don't even talk about lynching with each other. Also I am ticked that Seinfeld is making light of the issue and thinking that everyone should just forget it, if the statements were negegative against Jews then there would be no discussion at all, the dudes career would be over.
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khufu
Comment: LOL Let me say it again...Richards is a 33rd degree mason...Brothers AL and Jesse are Masons and my brothers.....I kept telling ya'll that Richards is a 33rd and most of yall dont know what they eans...well, youll see when he comes throught his all unscathed.......
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yunvme
Comment: So much energy is put into "forgiving" because its the Christian thing to do. But do we always have to forgive white people when they offend us, or anyone for that matter? Their apologies are never really sincere, whats sincere is what they say/do. So if the apology is not sincere, why forgive?
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khufu
Comment: "Means"..."this unscathed"
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khufu
Comment: Black folks should not go back to that clubn but they are.....
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khufu
Comment: "CLUB" that is the comedy club
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khufu
Comment: Famous Black Freemasons
A look at who's who of Prince Hall
Masonry reads much like traditional
Masonry in the great men that have or
currently occupy the role of membership.
In the book, Great Black Men of
Masonry, by Joseph Mason Andrew Cox,
Ph.D, P.G.M. of the Most Worshipful
Prince Hall Grand Lodge of New York,
are listed 269 black men, of which the
vast majority are Prince Hall Masons.
The list includes statesmen, actors,
musicians, writers, athletes and more.
Some great men on the list include
Ralph Albernathy, 33ø; William "Count"
Basie; Alex Haley, 33ø; Thurgood
Marshall, 33ø; Edward "Duke" Ellington;
Reverend Adam Clayton Powell; Richard
Pryor; Sugar Ray Robinson; Booker T.
Washington; and Andrew Young. The
Reverend Jesse Jackson, 33ø, is also a
Shriner. Former Detroit Mayor Coleman
Young is a 33ø Mason, and current Detroit
Mayor Dennis Archer has been elected to
receive the 33ø.
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FiveMore
Comment: Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton do not speak for me!Krazy Kramer is suffering from a type of supremacist dementia.America needs to fess up, white people have a problem with blacks in this country!Unfortunately, racism is engrained in the fabric of Old Glory and the other flag, too!Racism is American as apple pie or turkey on Thanksgiving!The Native Americans can tell you about that.I don 't need paid consultants to tell me what to do!
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khufu
Comment: Bro. Michael A. Richards, 33°
Richards' conduct might ultimately stem from his association with Freemasonry. There's a controversy going on right now in the South, whether to officially recognize Prince Hall Masonry. In his convoluted apology on Letterman, Richards inserted a reference to the racial tension ("black/white conflict") in the wake of Katrina. Perhaps it's a Freudian slip, alluding to the Dixie Lodges' struggle to come to terms with its own racial divide. As a very active and high-ranking Mason, Richards is most likely privy to the ongoing discussions taking place behind the scenes.
The argument surrounds the fact that blacks wishing to join Freemasonry - having been rebuked because of race - have had to form their own Lodges. This situation has been going on for a long time. Adding insult to injury, the Prince Hall masons are looked upon as "clandestine" - meaning, they aren't officially recognized. Prince Hall Masonry represents a separate body of Lodges segregated from mainstream masonry. There are some whites in Prince Hall, and vice versa in the main Lodges, but the southern jurisdictions still refuse to officially recognize the black masonic organization.
Michael Richards was initiated into Freemasonry on December 17, 1998, at the Riviera Lodge No. 780 in Pacific Palisades, California. In an interview ("Michael A. Richards, 33° Beyond the Symbols")[Internet Archive] with The Scottish Rite Journal of Freemasonry (Sept. 2003), Richards said his fascination with the Craft began in the early 60s. His mother had "had a friend who was a Mason … I didn't have a father, but he was like a father to me. He was very charitable with his time. On Friday nights he would take me to the American Legion Hall where some of the best vaudeville acts in the country were performed." After finding out his comedic idol Red Skelton was a mason, Richards decided to become one himself.
In a previous article (Renaissance Man, Not "Kramer") from the September 2000 issue of the same official magazine for Scottish Rite Freemasonry, Richards said he had already been somewhat of an armchair Masonic philosopher before being initiated. He became "interested in the Craft from reading Manly Palmer Hall's The Secret [Teachings] of All Ages, Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma, and Albert Mackey's Symbolism of Freemasonry. So, when I met Red and found out about his strong ties to Freemasonry, I was very impressed. Morals and Dogma certainly introduced me to Scottish Rite philosophy, but it was through Red's lovable nature, Masonic and all, that I really wanted to be a Mason." .from....http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Commentary/M ichael_Richards_Freemason.htm
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FiveMore
Comment: Khufu, I know what it means!
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khufu
Comment: fivemore....see the conspiracy...see the conspiracy......LOL...no seriously, I have exhausted MY discussion on Kramer...my point is now on the reasons why WHY they went to Jesse and Al FIRST....
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YLawdY
Comment: khufu...Please explain how being a Mason will help to mitigate his ignorance?
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FiveMore
Comment: I think the powers that be will give him a "pass." Oh, he is suffering from a mental disorder and he will donate the money to a worthy "inner city cause." Do not believe the hype!
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khufu
Comment: YLAWDY girlfriend...if I gotta explain, you dont understand...no disrespect intended
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khufu
Comment: 5more exactly....they will give him a pass and he will be redeemed in the process...he will not be ostracized, persecuted, prosecuted....as a amtter of fact, Jesse sayid: "In a strange way, Michael's staement might serve as a way for a national dialog to occur and some healing to occur." (Paraphrase)
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thechocolate10
Comment: I know all about the masons, my granddaddy was one and my grandmother an eastern star and I dont give a flyin leap what Jesse says.
Jesse doesnt speak for me and I dont have to nor do I want to forgive this animal!!
when has it become acceptable to talk about lynching but you notice how everyone is focusing -even some uniformed blk folks- on the word N&%^& instead of what he said about lynching us which is murder.
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khufu
Comment: so dont be surprised if Richards winds up being the spokesman for some noble cause and getting paid for it in the process
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lovinlife
Comment: What's the most disgusting thing about this whole mess is he's going to end up an even bigger star now. I'm pretty sure someone is pushing a project to him to capitalize off of his newfound notoriety. All this excessive apologizing is completely unnecessary he said what he meant at the comedy show.
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khufu
Comment: liste CHOCOLATE AND YLWADY.....the issue is power and influence....see beyond what's infront of you and consider the national and global perspective.....Krme will come out this unscathed UNFORTUNATELY and somewhat "redeemed"...see, he is protected.....Oh dont get me wrong....if you read any of my previous posts you know ow I feel about the situation......but the real penalty due to Kramer that should happen will not....
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Keverix
Comment: There are white producers, actors and directors right now in LA who are secretely patting him on the back and laughing about it, I lived there and he just said what they all think. There are so many brothers dating white women, actresses etc in LA that the white men there are bitterly jealous. He is not sorry, but he did have a nervous breakdown of some sort. His career is DONE. I agree Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are not the go-betweens for the entire Black community but they do speak out. Wonder if Oprah will have him on her show?
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khufu
Comment: LOVINLIFE..Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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yunvme
Comment: it seems that some people get some sort of satisfaction from saying his career is done. His career dont matter. He is set for life because of that Seinfeld show.
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khufu
Comment: KEV consider this last point and then Im finished...O is in Chicago...Jesse is too...Jerry Butler (remember him?) is in Chicago..Jerry Butler used to be Grandmaster of Prince Hall mASONS IN cHICAGO.....NOW SUPPOSE oPRAH'S FATHER IS A mASON AND EVEN IF NOT, jERRY AND jESSE CAN CALL oPRAH AND INFLUence her....trust me....oh interestingly enought Richard Pryor was a 32 Degreemason (comedian and Chicagoite)
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EdnaMae
Comment: *yawn* This has become old, boring news. This guy is a NOBODY and his rants have already finished off a dying career. Now, if these so called "leaders' would try and get black folks from spewing this vile word at the mall like crazy fools the other day, then something good can come out of it, until then, who cares what he said?
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katgrrrl
Comment: He said it cos he meant it. His comments came from the depths of his heart and soul. Of all the things he coulda said to the brothers, he chose to say THAT mess. I don't care who's show he goes on or how many times he apologizes, it ain't gonna change what happened as far as I'm concerned.
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YLawdY
Comment: khufu ...the point was he will be "forgiven" and welcomed back into the fold so to speak because he is white and well known with or without being a mason. History has proven that over and over again.
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thechocolate10
Comment: khufu> i could care less about whether Karmer is redeemed or not
I said I could care less about what Jesse says cause he's no leader of me or what I think and I could even care less about the national or global perspective of Kramer
he's white man with money in america we know all know the outcome
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khufu
Comment: YLAWDY I agree but what I am trying to REVEAL is a systemic and systematic phenom...some of yall keep making it a personal/individual thing and when you look at things solely that way, you cant see the larger picture and that's why it happens over and over and over..so after Kramer another white person will do the same things and Black foks wil focus their attention on that...take for instance Katrina...notice that no one is talking about it? There is a real organized systematic oppression of Black folks that will not be resolved until Black folks SEE this as more than coffee table conversation....
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Teigh
Comment: Khufu, I am reading your comments and if I understand correctly on the one hand you noted all these prominent Blacks who are Masons. Then you disclose that apparently the Black masons aren't recognized as legitimate masons. If this is indeed the case -- then I'm not really getting how any of this is relevant. What will be interesting is whether you take the opportunity to explain this or simply state as I read in one of your comments above that "if I have to explain than you don't understand."
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khufu
Comment: chocolate....YOU may not but there are thousands maybe millions of Black folks who will follow Jesse's lead.....understand? Think about the collective..the community. Therefore, get a thousand of Black people to write and call Jesse to say that hhe should not have had Kramer onhis show because his presence was an endorsement of him.....tell Jesse that he should have had some of the Black folks in the audience that night oon his show...tell him that he should have had some Black folks radio like Molefi Asante, Michael Dyson, etc....
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thechocolate10
Comment: khufu in my personal life I have demonstrated and even managed to get a store in the village closed cause they served me bad mayo and would return my funds.
I am not going do anything in this situation cause IT REALLY DOESNT MATTER TO ME! I am more interested in my newphew who is going to do his second tour in Iraq. I have been coming to this board for years long before people had to sign up and I am not going there with you I said in my second post and on the free for all board. I could care less who jesse influences!! maybe on another day but not today let sleeping dogs lie!!!
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khufu
Comment: TEIGH I dont know what you mean about "legitimate?" Please clarify. Here is my pint: because of certain relationships Richards will not be hurt. We live in a society that is based on power relationships. In a society based on power relationships, "right" and "wrong" became very fluid. Almost non-existant. See,, it's about power. When you have power or access to power, you can ake a racist azz statement like that and be beyond punishment. It speaks to his power and Black folks powerlesness. See, if he had been Jeiwsh he would be fibnished! No talk shows--especially not on the talk show of a leader of/to the people that you offended. See, my point is there is something wrong that needs to be addressed that is beyond one person expressing what he really feels in his heart!
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FiveMore
Comment: Jessie is concerned about the $$dolla bill.Jessie and Al are profiteers of black people's pain and misery.I'm still upset about him paying child support at 60 something years old.We have to be independent thinkers in this country. I do not need Jessie's advice or subliminal messages!
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Stephanie
Comment: Why is it when white people screw up, they run to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to calm us down? Both of them are liars and cheats and since when did they become the official spokes persons for all of black America? When you really truly think about it, what is their occupations and why do they both have Rev in front of their names knowing they're liars and cheats? They're both just opportunists that lick the wounds of black America. They'll only come to rescue when its something high profile. Please don't get me started on either of those lying azz negras because neither of them could care less about black people unless its some type of political gain!!!
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khufu
Comment: TEIGH there is a very powerful systematic agenda to continue to subjugate Black folks...it is real it is powerful and it is organized.....Kra,er's "lil comment" is more than a "lil comment" the statement and how it is handled is indicative of a four hundred year system designed to colective denigrate and oppress Black folks......so power relationship in this case, allows a Kramer to to do what he did and then be protected by not only the white folks who are powerful but also the Black folks who are powerful who MIGHT participate in their own subjugationa nd the continued degradation of Black people--their own people....
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khufu
Comment: stephanie....exactly! well not that they are liars and cheaters but everything else....
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FiveMore
Comment: Khufu, They are liars and cheaters!I agree Stephanie.
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khufu
Comment: 5more ILOL they might be I caint say...LOL my point is ther relationship with the oprressor is precarious becasue of their affiliations....I would never sell out Black folks I dont care what organization I might have in common with an "enemy" of Black folks.....
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Babygurl
Comment: The hecklers definitely don't have a case for a lawsuit. That sounds like an absurb attempt to extort money and get popular. However, I think Richards should just admit that he has racist feelings. He might not know where it came from (probably his parents or something in his upbringing) but he needs to examine that for himself. The whole situation is messed up, but he's not the only one in America that is a racist.
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khufu
Comment: BABY I dont know about "extortion" and "get popular"...See, again, when a Black person tries to defend themselves--this is what another Black person says.
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thechocolate10
Comment: baby with a woman 30 years younger than you and she is not your wife whom you married = cheater
i lived in brooklyn thru that tawanna brawley bull young black women accusations of rape after that were looked at as fake = liar
Stephanie your right!!
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Angel
Comment: Most of the comments here have covered everything, except.....why is Gloria Allred involved?!? I am so sick of this woman looking for media coverage and a pay day. She's on tv trying to find a way to squeeze money out of Richards so she can get her 40%. She doesn't give a dayum about those men.
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khufu
Comment: chocolate..LOL do you lie? Now God is listening......
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Stephanie
Comment: Khufu, what relevance is this to us? Who the hell cares about him being a Mason or whatever??? What's the point and the logic? I agree with the poster, why should he apologize for how he feels??? He's no more racist then Eminem. He just ended his career and his career didn't really matter to black folks anyway. This country was founded and developed by hate, bigotry, criminal behavior and what has really changed other than the hate, bigotry and criminal behavior has become more modernized. You think slavery doesn't exist? Look at the 3 Strikes Law...you think hate doesn't exist, look at affirmative action, you think criminal behavior doesn't exist, look at the president...we can never expect anything from something was was developed by the devil and you know what Min Farrakhan says about who's the devil...LOL
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RMP7772000
Comment: That's right, get him JESSEE AND SHARPTON!!!!!
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khufu
Comment: stephnaie...I am, for the last time, trying to share something a lil deeper and maybe even a lil more sinister than Kramer......
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khufu
Comment: steph see....read RMP and get my point....this person apparently believe that AL and Jesse are there to "attack" Kramer but they are not...they are there to protect thim.....not what other language do I have to say it in for you to FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY understand?
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khufu
Comment: STEPH okay so 7yopu wont by his CD or DVD? and Black foks dont care about him....and you think it IT IT stops there?
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Stephanie
Comment: Khufu, OK!
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thechocolate10
Comment: see khufu you startin but NO I HAVE NEVER LIED ABOUT RAPE NOR DID I CHEAT ON MY EX HUSBAND and bring humilation to my family by having a baby by an affair.
yes i will lie if my man asked me how much those shoes cost and I say $25 knowing they cost 75.
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khufu
Comment: okay so you wont
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khufu
Comment: so chocolate are you a LIAR?
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Stephanie
Comment: Angel, Gloria Allred is nothing more than a media whore, big time!!! Why does Paul Mooney have to put his two cents in when he gives away the "Dumb Ni@@a awards"?? We are our own worst enemy. We're worried about what this guy just made public how he feels but what's a even bigger issue is the brotha that was slaughtered by NYPD. That's way more important then Michael Richards whinning about his career!!!
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musbdherbs
Comment: I could be wrong, BUT a possible reason that each time something happens in our community people call on AL/Jessie is that they are the only ones who'll answer. Dude and his wedding crew just got shot up in NYC this weekend and I don't recall seeing any other black national figure address it other than Al. In fact, I never see any other black figure (other than the usual brand of folk) speak out against wrongs committed against other blacks but Al and 'nem. Maybe that's all their worth now...publicizing what their counterparts won't/don't address. Oh well, at least we have them.
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Angel
Comment: Khufu - I agree with much of your comments, but I think you give Richards credit for far more power than he actually has. Since Seinfeld ended, he has failed miserably in his attempts to get his own show on a network (and not cancelled). If he has so much power, why has he not been able to capitalize on it in his career? Or are you saying that now that he's shown himself to be a racist, Hollyweird will now embrace him?!?
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khufu
Comment: MUSNB..IN THIS CASE, they are reaching out to AL and Jessie because they have a fraternal bond that most just dont and cant understand.....
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khufu
Comment: ANGEL no what I am saying is as for his racist tirade, it will all be brushed over and forgotten about and made okay by the powers that be...the powers that be behind closed doors that YOU caint enter unless you know the right way, you have the right words, the proper handshake......
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musbdherbs
Comment: Khufu..I'm not sure if that's the reason at all. I'm Azzuming that you're saying that the "bond" is that all of them are F.& A.M so therefore they are more likely to "forgive" him. If that's the case, I don't buy that at all. The "bond" may not be as tight as u would have us to believe.
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Teigh
Comment: Khufu> I understand your point (and i am referring to your post specifically to me)...what I'd like you to expand upon now is to tie that in to the earlier post you raised about Black mason being allegedly not recognized (I used legitimate). Are you saying that perhaps Jessie is brokering here to get 33 degree black masons recognized beyond their own sect? (sect is about the best word I can come up with right now)
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khufu
Comment: TEIGH Oh isee..no I cut and poaste that..that's a whole other conversation.....I see... I shared that as info about Kramer's masonic affiliation.....What is called "mutual recognition" is a whole other conversation.....not relevant here...however FYI however, even if there wasnt mutual recognition between the white jurisdiction that Kramer belongs to tne the Black jurisdiction belongs, the fact is that if one REALLY needs the assistance of the other, a fraternal brother will respond accordingly.....so AGAIN that's a whole other conversation.....
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khufu
Comment: TEIGHH FYI.......http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenq uirer/news/local/15816910.htm
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Angel
Comment: khufu - My point is that the "powers that be" that you refer to didn't help him progress his career BEFORE this incident happened, so I just don't see how, all of a sudden, they are going to do much now. And yes, it will all be brushed over and forgotten BECAUSE he's not a power broker in Hollywood and before this incident he wasn't doing jack. Nobody cared about him before this and they won't care afterwards. Right now, they are just trying to prevent his azz from getting jumped, but I just don't see some big movie or tv deal in his future.
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khufu
Comment: MUSB......i could be wrong...let's SEE....depends upon the length of their cable tow(s).....
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khufu
Comment: ANGEL I hear you however I dont k now if he got his first big break from a fellow Mason or not...I know a lot work in the business...I dont know if he was able to get an audition with Seinfeld because his Grandmaster called someone who knew Seinfeld or not......all I am saying is this: their are power relationships that exist that are utilized for sdifferent reasons...so in this case, I dont just see an iundividual who called us NIGGAH..I se a larger pixture...
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Angel
Comment: Khufu - I think the damage control of this incident is moreso for the people affiliated with him (i.e. Seinfeld, Laugh Factory, etc.) so they won't be tainted by his dumbazz rant.
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YLawdY
Comment: khufu....Are you a new Mason?
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khufu
Comment: ANGEL Oh i agree with that as well....however wonder why hey didnt call a Black PR firm or Publicist?
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khufu
Comment: YLAWDY No
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Angel
Comment: Khufu - I definitely agree with your last point. Because of his rant, they now have to "act extra nice" in public for a few days, but I have no doubt that Richards' statements are not off the mark of what is said when they privately discuss "us". They are just pizzed that he put them in the position to have to do the typical song and dance about not being racist. It reminds me of when a child says something in public that he/she heard at the house and the parents try to act like they are shocked and surprised when everybody who heard the child's comments knows where the child learned it.
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ImJustAsking
Comment: I'm not understanding the venom thrown the way of Jesse and Al Sharpton...I know that Jesse has a baby out of wedlock but nobody seems to mind Bill Cosby's trangressions when he's out badmouthing an undetermined amount of black people...at least Jesse is on our side. As far as Al is concerned, he did what a lot of black people do when they think our people have been wronged, he spoke out prematurely on the Tawanna Brawley case, and possibly a few others as well. Oh well, he thought she and others were telling the truth. If that's his worst offense then I can live with that. And I'm hoping that those guys involved in the NY shooting won't further sully his reputation by lying about the events that took place that night in the interest of saving their own azzes. But being mislead or knocking somebody up doesn't take away the fact that Jesse and Al have been two of the most consistently articulate and fearless defenders of black people that we have. They are leaders in the community and that's why Richards and others reached out to them after they f*cked up. If you watched Sharpton in the presidential debates there is NO WAY that you can question this man's intelligence. I think alot of black people are just regurgitating what they have heard about these men. I saw Jesse give an interview concerning his conversations with Richards and he was very well spoken and did not take Richards side at all. He simply said that Richards explained to him that he has had a rage against blacks inside of him and that he suggested that he get therapy to find out its origin. Over the weekend more accounts surfaced that Richards made disparaging remarks about Jewish people as well.
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khufu
Comment: CHOCOLATE..Im waiting...Are YOU a liar?
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khufu
Comment: IJA this is irrelevant..."Over the weekend more accounts surfaced that Richards made disparaging remarks about Jewish people as well."
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Oh and I also wish that blacks would stop making reference to if his statements were about Jews he'd be done. That is so ridiculous. Mo Kelly and Daryl James tried to make that point about Mel Gibson. And If I'm not mistaken, Gibson has a HUGE new blockbuster called Apocalypto that's coming out. Primetime dedicated an entire hour to it on Friday night and it's getting major promotion on all channels.
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khufu
Comment: IJA such statements are iofties used to minize or distract from his remarks made to and about Black foks....his anti-Jewishness is irrelevant at this point....however, watch this strategy as well yall...if he did make anti-Jewish remarks and he is not Jewish, watch it get tunred into a anti-Jewish thing and the focus will no longer be onBlakc foks but Jewish folk...and they will have their organizations like ADL and B'nai Brith PAID from him in compensation...
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khufu
Comment: IJA such statements are oftimes used to minimize or distract from his remarks made to and about Black folks
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khufu
Comment: Bentonville, AR - Wal-Mart Executive Resigns Amid Racist Remarks
Bentonville, AR - Civil rights leader Andrew Young, who was hired by Wal-Mart Stores Inc. as Chairman at to improve its public image, resigned from that post after telling an African-American newspaper that Jewish, Arab and Korean shop owners had "ripped off" urban communities for years, "selling us stale bread, and bad meat and wilted vegetables."
In an interview Young said Wal-Mart "should" displace mom-and-pop stores in urban neighborhoods. "You see those are the people who have been overcharging us," Young was quoted as saying of the small stores, "and they sold out and moved to Florida. I think they've ripped off our communities enough. First it was Jews, then it was Koreans and now it's Arabs."
Young, a former Atlanta mayor and U.S. amb%*$ador to the U.N., apologized for the remarks and retracted them in an interview. Within an hour of the first interview, he resigned as chairman of Working Families for Wal-Mart, a group created and financed by the company to trumpet its accomplishments. He had been in the post for six months.
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khufu
Comment: who remembers the Andy Young story?
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khufu
Comment: LOS ANGELES (AP) - Angry over some things the civil rights leader said about them, a group of Korean grocers is suing former UN Amb%*$ador Andrew Young.
Young was quoted as saying that Jews, then Koreans and now Arabs had "ripped off" blacks at their stores.
Young told a black-oriented Los Angeles paper that the stores had been "overcharging" blacks and selling "stale bread and bad meat and wilted vegetables."
His comments came while Young was heading up a group that advocates for Wal-Mart. He later quit. Now, he's named in a suit in which a Korean American grocers' group seeks at least $7.5 million in damages.
Young -- who was once a close associate of Martin Luther King -- didn't return a call for comment.
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thechocolate10
Comment: khufu ignorance is bliss on your part
you're starting to sound lik a fool and I dont even think an educated one at that you
sound like somebody who just got out the pen,. I dont play game with children ok
i will see if my grandfathers peeps can hook you up since you wanna be a mason so bad
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khufu
Comment: Now, what Andy said wah historically, economically and culturally true.......yet his was sued, had to re-sign...and he was sued by Koreans who werent directly accused by him!!!!!! Interesting....was this extortion?
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khufu
Comment: LOL CHOCOLATE see when people say sheet..you condemned AL for being a LIAR and I said I dont know if he is....He like you lied about an incident and yet HE is a liar and you are not? Dont get mad at me for your hypocrisy and it being caled out....LOL...I dont know if AL is a Liar or whether he lied about an incident........it's irrelevant to this issue for me.....all i know is if he is a liar for that one incident than OU my dear are the teapot taling about the kettle calling it WHITE and youre as white...
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khufu
Comment: CHOCOLATE LOL you sound ignant girl...wasnt that "me coming out the pen" a comment made the oeht day by some ignoramus whose argument also fell apart......advice: if you put sheet out here, be prepared to defend it...my position on AL and Jesse has to do with factual data...Is he a liar? Could be...I dont know.....You say he is based on mistruths, right? Then are you a liar for your mistruths? And if you are, should you be condemned for your entire life because you fall short in one area? It's called, "Judge ye not unless you be judged..."
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thechocolate10
Comment: khufu> okayyyyyyyyyy you win
I am far from white hence the name the chocolate10
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yunvme
Comment: sorta off topic, but regarding the lack of respect some of you have for Cosby and Jackson for lying about personal affairs- how many of you feel the same way towards Bill Clinton?
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khufu
Comment: CHOCOLATE....good now bring that booty over her eand let me spank it lol you made it personal.....
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Name:
khufu
Comment: CHOCOLATE I am a mason....raised, exalted and knighted...Im just not one who selld African people out......READ THE POSTS
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khufu
Comment: "sells"
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MOTHERSHIP
Comment: What da hell goin' on up in herre?!
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yunvme
Comment: I looked up these Masons online, started to read it then lost all interest. I dont believe in "clubs". Can you explain to me how one becomes a Mason?
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khufu
Comment: Black folks forgave Clinton of his hypocrisy and crowned him "Black President" of Harlem and he lived happily ever ever...We always forgive them for sheet and that's what they have come to expect even when their offenses are directly against us and our skin...Jesse forgave George Wallace---what kind of sheet was that?
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thechocolate10
Comment: hey mothership!! whats crack a lackin uptown
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khufu
Comment: LOL YUN....well youre a woman, you cant be. As a Man, you express interest your interest to one (2B1ask1) and then the man would go from there....FYI "clubs" rule the world and rule your life......Masons, Elks, Moose, Odd Fellows, Rotary, Lions, Kiwanis, etc.....
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YLawdY
Comment: yunvme ....I don't feel as strongly about Bill Clinton's indiscretions. It's sorta like it was expected of him, but "our" people have a higher standard they live by. Hypocritical? Perhaps. Unrealistic? Probably. But it ties in with how we feel when we hear about a certain crime and say "I hope they were white."
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khufu
Comment: What did Bush say, "God may have pity on you but I wont...."
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yunvme
Comment: I'll excuse your mistake in calling me a woman. I refuse to go on about what the hell I am. I post in here often enough for EVERYONE to know dammit. NOW with that said, why do you feel the need to be a MASON? I am really curious. You seem like an independent thinker, so why the need for this group?
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YLawdY
Comment: khufu...yunvme is a MAN! BTW none of the "clubs" you mention rule our lives. IMO I know you subscribe to a theory of world domination by secret society, but what's in our face on a daily basis isn't a secret.
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khufu
Comment: YLWASY Black folks used to have a higher standard but it has become "tainted"..that standard started to decline after "de-segration." Stripping was not an honorable profession 30 yeard ago.....and other lifestyle choices that are commonly accepted and promoted in the Black community now once wasnt....oh our standards they have gotten lower...and around the same time the Clinton Head scandal happened....they was Henry Lyons---remember him?
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MOTHERSHIP
Comment: Chocolate, not a damned thang. Going to the Apollo to see the Tempations xmas show and see my boy Maurice Watts get the Internet Radio Station of the Year award. He's on 90.3 FM on Friday nights - 8pm - 12 midnight.
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khufu
Comment: LOL YUN I have always thought you were a sistah LOL I am so sorry.......LOL
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yunvme
Comment: Khufu- so to "go off" man. LoL. Anyway- what are the advantages in being a Mason?
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khufu
Comment: LOL CHocolate.....you....are.......a......woman.....right? I mean,....I just told you.........to bring that..........booty.........over here......you are a woman, right?
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yunvme
Comment: you seem to be having a problem with the "sexes" today, you better hope that choclate10 means SHE is a dime piece and not some "brutha" with 10 Inches. LMAO.
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yunvme
Comment: that should have read "SORRY to go off".
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khufu
Comment: YUN I dont feel a need...I am not real active....I first became interested as a child because My Dad was one and my momma a Star (My father is my brother and my mother my sister)....so I was curious and have always been about the quest for deeper tings....you know the soul quest.....Most cultures have secret socieities for different reasons Men Houses, for instance)...it's really all about being initiated into verious stages of one's journy...advantages? it depends upon what one looks for....For me, none. I am love with the Black fraternal history where the organizations served as focal points for Black folks survival in this country where they housed, sheltered, fed, etc Black folks and did great things for the people.......not interested in the good ole boys club to hang out and conform.....
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yunvme
Comment: Is if possible to briefly explain how a black person and a white person can belong to this club? Is it not about Race?
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thechocolate10
Comment: yunvme> i am a woman
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khufu
Comment: YUN One advantage is this..wherever I go, I am home....I can find some brothers and sisters.....
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yunvme
Comment: good. cause we dont need khufu sweating over his cyber flirt with you.
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khufu
Comment: oh organizations and networks do run things....I call it "tranfromed tribalism." Cultural anthropology is another interest of mine.....A more pervasive club in the Black community is "the church.."....Yall know this question: "What church you belong to?"....that's the same as wearing a Masonic pin and being recognized by another Mason....favor will usually be expressed......we are all tribal animals...so you best believe clubs rule our lives
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khufu
Comment: whew on the Chocolate scandal
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khufu
Comment: what does all that have to do with the Kramer thing? Again, there are power relationships out there that hurt Black folks because we are not aware of them...it's not paranoia..it's real...in this case, Al and Jesse should be told by Black folks.....do not in any way support a person who clearly has no respect for us as a peop;e...no white-washing, spinning....if anything have him donate a million to a worthy cause here and in Africa and that's it...there's no forgiveness as our forgiveness cant be purchased...his financial payemtnTOWARD THE PEOPLE AND OT INTO THE POCKET OF AN INDIVIDUAL would be an olive branch on his behalf...
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thechocolate10
Comment: leave me alone khufu lol
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khufu
Comment: his financial payment TOWARD THE PEOPLE AND NOT INTO THE POCKET OF AN INDIVIDUAL his payment would be an extended olive branch on his behalf...
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khufu
Comment: I had to xlear that up CHOCOLATE cause if i were to have dark, gooey, stick chocolate all over me I want to make sure that....it's the right kind of chocolate........LOL..im so crazy!! LOL
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khufu
Comment: so some good may come outta this....such as a national dialogue on the hypocrisy of the Black community regarding the %*$!(@ "word"....how can we be so outraged when a white person does it but it's okay for us to use it? Double standard...hypocrisy. However, that should not let Michael Richards off the hook. Sorry, Kramer...it's like the sorry of Judas......someone had to do it. Someone had to be the villianin order for a greater good to occur.
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yasmine1
Comment: Jerry Sienfeld is releasing the DVD of the Sienfeld show on DVD..so he got on the horns and said...you better gravel to the black community and do it now!
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khufu
Comment: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6 533679.....Commentary
Kramer Goes Wild
by Jimmy Izrael
News & Notes, November 24, 2006 · Michael Richards, who played Kramer on the NBC hit Seinfeld, apologized on the Late Show with David Letterman this week, after screaming a racial slur at two black hecklers while performing in Los Angeles. Commentator Jimmy Izrael says Richards learned the hard way: Stand-up comedy isn't for everyone. Izrael is a columnist for the Web site, "AOL Black Voices."
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Kofi
Comment: It is quite clear that Kramer fuckked up. The issue now is how can he make some amends for his behavior? Being shook down by Jesse and Al is no solution. The brothas in the audience do deserve something for being subjected to the bullshyt. For black folks to hold a grudge aint healthy for us either. Forgiveness, is more for the person forgiving. If we as black folks can do that we take stress off of us. We should not forget but, we really are beating a dead horse.
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bigskinny
Comment: thank u musbdherbs and imjusaskin. im so sik of blak folk goin out of there way to sound politically correct by stating how much Jesse and Al dont speak for them and dont have a REAL job. The fact that they put there %$# and name on the line everyday to push inequality to the front of the newspapers and TV is one hell of a job, especially given the ignorant deeds we give OTHERS the opportunity to use against us. The media has us hating our own at a disheartening rate. Look this was about Kramer and to many of u made it your biz to take a stab at Jesse and Al. Wake the hell up and start talkin about the SOLUTIONS, Al and Jesse sure do
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Grace
Comment: to: khufu] I knew something was wrong with your head when you mentioned Richard Pryor. He was a cocaine addict. Dennis Archer is no longer the mayor of Detroit. Kwame Kilpatrick is the current mayor of Detroit. Hopefully, you pulled an EURWEB with the cut and paste.
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khufu
Comment: grace...what does that fact that Pryor being a coke head have to do with anything? I simply stated that he was a 32nd Degree Mason from Chicago....Sheet Marion Barry is a Mason and he's a drug head and his being a Mason might be why he is constantly "out" of trouble he gets in...Archer is one too...
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khufu
Comment: GRACE you miss the point entirely...what are you one of those who reads the most recent posts and looks for something to argue about? Read the dan previous posts
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khufu
Comment: that's "damn" previous posts
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khufu
Comment: LOL some of yall are real naieve...
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leeneepoo
Comment: Hey bigskinny I agree with you as well. Personally I begun wondering "why" when something like this takes place they run to A&J,.. well they are all we have right now and they will speak out regardless of their past discretions, lies, children, etc. I still say it cuts "like a two edge sword" because no one else is willing to step up to bat and play how they play and then they come out playing with "flaws and all" (two edge sword that cuts deep). "It is what it is" folks...racism is alive and well and no matter how we prosper, educate ourselves, matriculate and build careers for self...racism will rear its ugly head and we will/always know where "they" stand/feel/think...they never wanted us, liked us and can care less about us. Although he does not speak for all of "them" in his statements he does still speak for some of "them"...and that deeprooted mind set will never change within him, it was cultivated innately....MR will not change his "spots" they will just appear different" and that will still be a sad commentary within itself....It is what it is....
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HerbT
Comment: I am amazed when insults and sins are hurled at the African American community whites will always seek Jesse Jackson. Why not apologize and have dialogue with Minister Louis Farrakhan if you're truly sorry. It reminds me of what my mother always said when we got in trouble: Are you sorry you did it, or are you sorry you got caught? He's seeking out the Black Community so he can understand why he said what he said. Come on people... you only say what at one time you were thinking. It just didn't happen it's been festering inside of him for awhile now.
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DCNupe
Comment: Go Ahead Khufu, you opened alot of doors today my man! This talk has been so enlightning, there's no need for me to comment.
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jazzfan
Comment: Please help me to understand - were the men in NY coming from the bachelor party when the groom was killed when the police fired 50 rounds into a car of unarmed men - were they ni**ers or ni**as?
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mizzym
Comment: hey! Stephanie should write a book! The two imposters as "revs", should just be still. nobody has called me 'that' name publically and I still don't want either of those two media hand-picked negras speaking on my behalf. Ever notice how all of jackson's kids landed great positions at the expense of the rest of us? 'ole dad is a black mobster...
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bigskinny
Comment: maybe i missed sumthn mizzym, but who the hell iz Stephanie. Anyway, Jackson iz a crime boss? and u r mad cuz his WELL educated BLACK children got good jobs cuz daddy new some people. If u aint the strongest crab in this bucket then we r in trouble.Those two negras been marchin longer than u been hatin and if in the process they made a mint its because they deserve it. Some folks give bak MONEY sum give TIME sum give GUIDANCE and sum just give LIP SERVICE, guess which those NEGRAS give and im sure u have no idea which u give. Please get a degree, take a stand, form a coalition and battle this oligarchy for us so we can get rid of those "hand picked negras" and until then.......
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barnone
Comment: FIRST TO KHUFU: 2 whom much is given much is required...this inlcudes knowledge. u have been blessed with understanding and discernment uncommon amongst our people and when one seeks 2 overstand u r obligated 2 enlighten them. our people r covered n gross darkness. so on that note pls explain 2 the sister.
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barnone
Comment: i don't think richards should have apologized. he merely said what was n his heart. this entire concept of celebrities or people n positions of prominence apologizing 4 making racial slurs is so insulting. racism is woven n the very fabric of amerikkkan society. this is who they r. it is what amerikkka was founded on. the only thing that still infuriates me is why my people don't believe white folks when they tell/show them who they r. King said it b-4 he died but everyone missed it, including his own family, and decided to pimp the brother's dream 4 the amerikkan scheme. "i'm beginning to believe we're integrating into a burning house". this is why the officer in NY felt comfortable in murdering the brother outside the strip club. he knows white amerikkka does not value the life of a black man and therefore he will never see the nside of a prison cell. and then there's always those opportunist so called Black leaders Jackson and Sharpton to fall back on. so when it's all said and done....it is what it is.
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Name:
Chica
Comment: The bottom line is that we don't know who these people are once the script is down and they leave the set. They are who they are. We love the "characters" that they play on tv shows, and tend to forget that these are "real" people with real issues and feelings. He obviously said what he's probably said before, except he wasn't in the privacy of his own home or with just his friends in the audience. Apology is unnecessary because he's apologizing for who he really is...so let it go. I'm sure a lot of "TV" personalities that we adore because of the "character" that they play are so far from who they portray and probably feel the same way Michael Richards does. He didn't even stutter which showed that it's not the first time he's said it. So let's move on people. Next..........................
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