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Name: stuckintheROK
Comment: I can't stand it when my people use the 'N' word. Why?? Why??? Why?? I don't understand. I am here in South Korea and when we go to the club I heard that word more from people that aren't even black. They assume that it's cool to say it because it's in the media. I wish it would just go away.....

Name: fanteeking
Comment: >StuckintheROK: Mark my words. There will be rappers and entertainers who are Black who will continue to use the "N" word just to get notoriety. Anything to get them a little ink. I would presume that if you don't have enough interesting lyrics or a good voice to sell your CDs then use of the 'N' word is a cowardly vehicle to use to boost your sales. I do hope and pray that we can bury this horrible word that evokes so many memories of brutality, rape, lynchings etc. Our African-Ancestors deserve much more respect than this!!!

Name: Pamalicious
Comment: First of all, the term "Black Leaders" is really starting to URK my last nerve..... now that is out of the way... let me say, although the word n*gga/n*gger carries its pain, I do not believe that the word will ever be swiped from our vocubulary.... and its too bad... next when are people going to realize that Seinfeld is what it is, and became as big as it is before Black people ever watched a single episode or purchased a 'Seinfeld' DVD, I for one thing the call to a boycott is ridiculous... let's boycott, diamonds from Africa, BET (its a travesty). I do not want to make light of this situation at all, but can our so called Leaders get involved in something meaningful.... Education, jobs, and programs that are beneficial to those in poverty... let's encourage more black men to be teachers, fathers and not try to relive Scarface fantasties..... Lets work on the men becoming Fathers, taking care of and raising there children.... education would teach the history, men would take their rightful place as leaders in the home and in the community.... I for one, will not BOYCOTT SEINFELD DVD... our problems are bigger than that

Name: fanteeking
Comment: Parmalicious: I may be naive but I don't think many Black folks watched Seinfeld. The humor, I suppose, is NYC white, dry, stale shyt that they like but we don't understand. Just like Woody Allen. I'd be in the movie theatre with a puzzled look on my face and all these white folks sitting around me were just laughing almost falling to the floor. Our experiences in America has given us a different kinda humor. What they laugh at we find just plain stupid.

Name: nightshift
Comment: I like the concept. But folks like Paul Mooney (whom I love)wouldn't be able to put two words together if they didn't say N*****. 'member Jesse with "Heimy" town? Oh to have been a fly on the wall for that conference! I know N's were flying all over the place!! I hope they clean up there act. That would be a great first start. Psych!! it ain't gonna happen!!

Name: McNasty
Comment: Each of our black leaders has attended the hip hop summit and had numerous conversations with russell simmons - that's where they should have started when they first started hearing that word in the music of their children's generation. Our black leaders should have been more concerned with the education, specifically black history, that was being taught in the inner city schools. Now - they have to go back to the beginning and come forward with more to deal with and more folk than you can shake a stick at justifying the use of the word - but every conversation begins with that one word!

Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Paul Mooney def. needs to stop using the word. Every third word out of his mouth is n!gger ugh! I don't like it when any word is overused, it could be the word "the" and I'd be like can't you say anything else? It's not funny. I think that Black leaders need to reevaluate the audience they are trying to motivate and ask for cooperation based on realistic requests and importance of the issue. You are not going to get all people to stop using any word they have chosen as part of their vocab and you are not going to get people to boycott based upon one thing that one person who was part of a cast said. When you make a big deal out of something and no one listens, it just makes you look silly, old, and out of touch with what regular black folk are thinking. Most black folk who aren't on the internet all day aren't really thinking about this situation. They have bigger things on their mind. I love Seinfeld and if I feel like buying the dvd, I will.

Name: MDhornet
Comment: Someone find us some leaders who know what they're doing, who can find truly important issues for us to focus our energies on. Ban the N word. That's their campaign?

Name: MDhornet
Comment: Oh and AMEN Pamalicious. Fanteeking, I and many other black friends watched and laughed at Seinfeld and Friends and a lot of the other so-called "white shows". Funny is funny and everybody's sense of humor is different. Seinfeld's brand of humor was very sarcastic and I got it.

Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Hornet< you made me think of a question I wanted to ask before. Maybe I should ask it on the free for all. I wonder if the idea of black leadership is out of date...in other words, should we have black leaders that are officially recognized as such? and if so, what should be their role?

Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Pamalicious< On Education, I would LOVE to see black leaders get involved in the politics of textbooks. The history of slavery, immigration, civil rights etc. in this country is skewed and mischaracterized in the books children get at school b/c white folk lobby to keep the truth out of the books. You don’t learn the truth until you go to college and then it’s like wow...but the people who really need to know this stuff often times do not get higher education. I think that if kids really knew the truth about our history in this country at an early age they might make better choices and then they could better pass the info down to their children.

Name: DCGG
Comment: Who in the fuvk named these useless mofos "Black Leaders"...Why is is that these Black Leaders sit around on they azzs idle waiting for some shyt to go down instead of being proactive and then plan a stoopid azz news conference to annouce this bullshyt (of course they'll all be lining their pockets)...you won't hear shyt else about this next week...

Name: EdnaMae
Comment: All I have to say is GOOD LUCK! These crazy black people aren't going to stop using it, so, how does he think the rest of the world will stop? As for the boycott of that DVD, where was he when the show was on and based in NYC, and you NEVER saw a black person? Like most things with Jesse Jackson, self appointed black "leader" too little, too late. And, Paul Mooney isn't going to use it anymore? What else can he do, since that is what his act is made up of, using that vile word.

Name: oldschoolbrother
Comment: I applaud Jesse Jackson for attempting to help people but he like many other "poverty pimps" only take care of their friends and families. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ ID=34622

Name: Shazza
Comment: Sadly, I think DCGG is right. While I understand where they're coming from, there are bigger things to band over. And a boycott of Seinfeld? I think some white folks will buy 2 and 3 dvds just to make a point! I was raised to see the N word as very nasty and the one time I used it against somebody, my Mom heard me and gave me a good whippin' when we got home! So that word definitely stayed out of my vocabulary!

Name: jazzfan
Comment: I don't watch that much tv to begin with and definitely not shows that don't at least reflect a little of my experience. So I've never seen Seinfeld, Friends or any of the other white shows where there are no main Black characters. I understand that some situations are just universally funny, but hell, I feel like if on almost every "Black show" there have to be white friends (look at Eve, how much hanging out together do you see like that in real life?), then I'm not watching the shows where I'm not represented. So I didn't really know how we were going to boycott Michael Richards when he wasn't getting a dime of mine or most people I know to begin with. That said, maybe we ought to come up with a "Ni**a Pleeze" boycott of our own. Here's how it would work - when an artist puts out a cd or dvd with liberal use of the n-word, take it to the counter of your local Best Buy, Circuit City, Wal-Mart, whatever, but when you get to the register, instead of purchasing it, hand the clerk the item along with a piece of paper with "Ni**a Pleeze" printed on it, and let them figure out how much they are losing in sales.

Name: Southernbelle
Comment: Shazza>Great point white folks will definitely over compensate for the one or two black folks that may buy this dvd. I enjoy the Seinfeld show but I would only invest in black sitcoms. Maybe Jesse's trying to make a more symbolic point than a financial one. I do agree with the Laugh Factory's approach. I think they should be applauded for their efforts in banning the use of the word in their venue and requesting that Michael make a charitable donation.

Name: star
Comment: Boycott Seinfield...whatever! Jerry Seinfield will never be hurt financially. It wasn't Jerry that used the word! I am totally for ending the N word, but fools still think it's a term of endearment, clearly not knowing what the word endearment means.

Name: Snicker
Comment: --->star you are so right, no matter how much you try to eliminate the word black people still will try to justify it as a term of endearment.....i'm not going to lie i do use the word but i don't use it in front of other races and i use it in describing all races and not in an endearing way, i'll say things like "look at this crazy n****" or "this n**** has lost his mind" or "n**** please"....not that i'm justifying me using it because i need to stop saying it too but i don't understand that "term of endearment" mess and i never will.

Name: Babygurl
Comment: Boycott the Seinfield DVD...They need to Boycott RAP Videos, Rap Artists, Def Comedy Jam and Comic View...%*$!(@ means ignorant and black people calling other black people by that name are certainly ignorant.

Name: Bertie
Comment: I agree with all those saying a boycott is a waste of time. I actually thought Sienfeld was funny and know plenty of other black folks who thought is was hilarious. But I don't know anyone who was planning to buy the DVD since the show is still in heavy rotation in syndication. What if any money does Kramer get from the dvd? How does boycotting the dvd hurt Kramer's pocket? More importantly, how does boycotting a dvd I wasn't buying anyway help out black folks?

Name: khufu
Comment: Okay so let's make it illegal to say the word, Jesse and look up everybody caught using it LOL

Name: khufu
Comment: im sorry that's "lock up" as in "incarcerate.....also, so it STILL takes a white man in order to do something huh? so if Kramer didnt say the N word would these so called "blac leaders" have stepped forward in this organized political way?

Name: khufu
Comment: okay I promise not to harp on it today but I keep saying it and as it unfolds, yall just dont see it....Richards is a 33rd Degree Mason, Jesse is as well and gues what? Maxine Waters is an Eastern Star....told you Richards will be "protected" and redemmed...his racism will no longer be the issue at the day--Black folks and their usage of the word will be....watch!

Name: khufu
Comment: and Richards also mad derogatory comments about "hangin from a tree"...

Name: Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: Babygurl- I know that's right! We need to start at home first. I'm also a fan of the Seinfeld show. It's funny to me. But like someone else said, I wasn't going to buy the DVD anyway. Jesse an 'em's efforts are good, but in the wrong place. They need to redirect them as Babygurl suggested.

Name: McNasty
Comment: Khufu his Masonic connections will not protect him from the backlash or the punishment mostly because of the hanging tree remark. There are too many ranking black members in the Shriner's organization to even think they would entertain this. I do agree that our use of nicca will almost overtake any and all discussions but at some point we are going to have to focus on the fact that he made several other racially charged statements that put him another realm altogether.

Name: McNasty
Comment: JazzFan that's a good idea - but since most of us download music or have friends burn cds (mostly 70s and 80s music) those with kids are going to have to begin having real conversations with their kids about our real blackness, sans nicca!

Name: Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: One more thing, as much as I like the Seinfeld show and watched it back in the day, I cannot bring myself to watch the reruns anymore. Everytime I saw Kramer I'd shake my head in disgust, wishing I could reach through the tube and pimp slap him.

Name: Renegade
Comment: Khufu you are absolutely correct. People need to understand secret/power/rights of passage organizations in order to understand exactly what you are saying. Richards will be protected. The use of the N word will trump his potential exile.

Name: GHank
Comment: DCGG>>>>White Media usually gives the name, "black leader" and they also tend to "pick" the leader they want to promote. I'm sure there are leaders in the community trenches, but they go unreckgonized. Part of the reason why you have "black leaders" is that a lot of us (black people) aren't doing anything, so when one person does something, we tend to rally around that one person. I like Rev Al Sharpton, but a lot of people can be an Al Sharpton or a Jesse Jackson. But a lot of us aren't as socially/politically conscience as we need to be, and that makes us re-active instead of pro-active.

Name: khufu
Comment: MCnasty..his connections are already protecting him by virtue of the fact that the issue of the day is no longer him and the racism that he represents institutionally but instead is on the "victom" i.e. Black folks and our usage of the word...of course we shouldnt use it...but is Jesse sayig that Richrads should not do anything to reconcile HIS RACISM? Where is the action, according to Jesse, from Richards that "sets things right?" I bet Richards invested some money in some organization or indivudal that Jesse decided he should..hmmmmmmmmm....

Name: oldschoolbrother
Comment: Jesse Jackson, Maxine Walters and Al Sharpton are all poverty pimps, crooks and thieves. We all should just take care of ourselves, no one speaks for me, especially someone who just looks out for their own families. Jesse boycotted Busch and now his sons own one of the largest distributorships. It is bad enough that on every corner you see liquor stores but now we have Jesse and his sons benefitting from this. Maxine Walters, what has she actually accomplished in LA? And don't get me started on Al (I never saw a expense report where I had to tell the truth) Sharpton. As a kid I would go to Operation Push meetings, and it would just amaze me to see all the powerful sharp dressed black people there, as I got older it kicked in. They were all family members benefitting from injustices. The greater whole is never served. JMO.

Name: khufu
Comment: MCNSATY all those Shriners youre talking about...well, what do you think they will do? LOL get paid is about it.....see, what Jesse should demand ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE is that Richards create a 10 year scholarship at 1 mil per year at Howard Law School for students interested in majoring in International Relations, Africana Studies and Media Law.....or something like that..instead he is asking us to boycott the last Seinfeld that was released? Man you gotta be joikng...how about boycotting all the previously related seasons of the show and boycotting the sponsors who still advertise on the Seinfeild shows in syndication....how about that?

Name: khufu
Comment: SO MAC..Im hoping youre right but I am cynical (as if you havent noticed)....

Name: khufu
Comment: im curious...who do YOU consider to be a LIVING Black leader?

Name: McNasty
Comment: Khufu before I posted I called my husband and he confirmed what I thought. They are obligated to stand with him, but they won't and he's been discouraged from using any connection to them. It's not his connection to the Shriner's that's protecting him and throwing the victim's under the bus - that's us and the media.

Name: McNasty
Comment: I like oldschoolbrother don't see al or jesse or maxine as anything more than what they are. None of them have asked any of us what we think, they are conveying their own thoughts without benefit of discussion with various other members of the black community, black leader?! - no such animal anymore, we just have folk that the media doesn't mind quoting.

Name: khufu
Comment: McNasty let's see what happens....yeah by oath and obligation they (we--not me) are supposed to come to a "brother's" aid...sheet my Africaness/Blackness supersedes/supercedes white folks......

Name: McNasty
Comment: . . . my point exactly and I got it straight from the Worshipful Master.

Name: MOTHERSHIP
Comment: GHank, you said a mouthful. And that's exactly the problem.

Name: YLawdY
Comment: Shouldn't the broader issue of how we denigrate ourselves and each other take the largest share of contemplation? After all "Kramer" is only one man that expressed his politically incorrect feelings in public. What exactly is it that he could possibly do that would make him o.k. again? In my book, nothing. He's just not important enough to waste the energy on, but his rant has us talking yet again about the use of the N word. Maybe we'll come to an universal agreement someday about where this word belongs as it pertains to our community.

Name: oldsoul
Comment: It's a lot of Truth on this board>Pamalicious, fanteeking, oldschoolbrother, McNasty, khufu and others. I tell ya'll, it just ain't right. Not them but US! I'm tired of racism but more tired of crying racism but not taking any personal responsibility to combat it. These people are just in the spotlight and happen to be called leaders. Very few "true" leaders ever get the public attention deserved and that's across the board. I don't know who to trust, seriously. Yet another mistake: calling a press conference with "others" involved. You want to stop the use of the word? Get together with the Hip-Hop nation, the artists, the comedians (or is comic?), the actors, the athletes, etc. and have a closed door meeting of the minds. And Be about real change not appearance(s). This is what we can't seem to understand - keep our sh*t in-house then come out united on ONE position and course of action. We do it backwerdsazz almost every time. The leadership from now on needs to be Us, the people. How do we get this done?

Name: khufu
Comment: YLADY what does that mean exactly..."politically incorrect?"

Name: khufu
Comment: Question: If a sister say a fine sister like YLawdy was wearing some tight azz pants would I be justified in "cat-calling" her and calling her out her name? Even though it might be said that she "brought it on herself" by wearing some tight azz pants/shorts?

Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Of all the comments today...GHANK...you hit it head on. The media has ALWAYS decided who are our "leaders" were. If we are to believe the media, then we would think that Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton are the only black people in the world who are doing anything. I beg to differ. Has anyone ever heard of Barak always being referred to as a black leader? Oprah? Michael Jordan? Thurgood Marshall? Condi? Colin? Franklin Raines? Kenneth Chenault? and the list goes on. No, usually it's those people who are considered "radical." There's a reason for it and Maxine, Al, and Jessie didn't do it. The "poverty pimp" attachment is just as antiquated as the argument that all yt people racists. IF they are pimping anybody it must be those w/money because I don't see many of my people in the hood rallying or giving these "pimps" the time of day. That is UNTIL something happens. So, for all of you who have problems w/the term "black leader" or w/Al/Jessie..then write the media and tell them to stop referring to them as such. If you ask 5 of your friends to ask 5 of their friends...their thoughts on these "poverty pimps," the majority of them would probably feel the same as Oldschool..et. al. So, "who" are these pimps "leading" if none of us consider them our leaders? Sounds like media soundbytes to me and as smart as we are...we still can't figure that one out.

Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Musb< I think you said it though when you brought up the fact that Al and Jesse are considered radical which for me means they speak out about black issues in a direct, fearless, and sometimes provocative manner. The majority of people you mentioned in your post would never think of being bold enough to say the things that Jesse and Al say b/c they are scared of what it would do to their careers, and that INCLUDES my beloved Oprah. There is a self preservation aspect that prevents a lot of prominent black people from embracing being part of a national voice for black folk. I can’t say I blame them but I think it plays into why the media considers Jesse and Al to be the leaders. They are the most outspoken and for the most part have dedicated their lives to civil justice, whether they have done/are doing a good job or not is up for debate, but they have made no bones about this being their livelihood and passion. It may be that their methods are out of date. I think we should embrace leadership that is more careful with their comments and actions b/c God knows Jesse and Al have been burned and made a fool of quite a few times. From a PR standpoint you CANNOT holler racism as soon as an event happens. I don’t care if it’s clear that something was amiss. It doesn’t look good when Jesse and Al are out there the first day on something. Also, I think our leadership should be a part of our political system as opposed to us always fighting from the outside. That’s why I’m interested to see how Obama’s career pans out. I think he has a lot to say about race relations in this country but he’s waiting until he has more seniority so that he isn’t put out on his azz. But again, a lot of times it’s not what you say, it’s the policies you support. You may not have white people specifically referring to McCain, Brownback, Lugar, Feingold etc as ‘white leadership’ but it’s clear that they are!

Name: GHank
Comment: I could at least call Maxine Waters a leader because she at least holds an office. So people had to vote her in. Rangel and Conyers can be leaders because they were voted in by the people in their district. I always felt that Sharpton and Jackson should have ran for a congressional seat then running for president. They can be much more effective in those positions. Some people actually called me a leader because I go in and speak to high school students around New Jersey. Now, I would never consider myself a leader per se, but I do understand that the "leader" is in all of us. The media made Martin Luther King "the leader", but we ALL know that there were a lot...I mean a lot of people in those trenches. The media build him up...the establishment killed him. But things did get done. As I always say, until we really committ ourselves to being a community, things won't really change.

Name: oldschoolbrother
Comment: mshudberbs>>> my comment means this: Jesse only cares for Jesse and his family. He gets millions of dollars a year that go toward various programs and not one cent really helps anyone. He and his family own a home across the street from a neighborhood YMCA which was shut down due to budget constraints, I was part of the membership that wrote, called and asked for money from him specifically and his son, our local congressman. Not a word got back to us in time. Kids were basically put out on the street when the funding was taken away. His Wall Street program gets millions, guess where that goes, to his buddies. His sons own part of a liquor company due to him boycotting Busch. To me that is a travesty to take money and then give it to friends and familes while you protest in the streets proclaiming injustice. The same reason I dont mess around with Urban League when years ago I was told "we dont help people like you" meaning if you dont show up nasty stank drunk and out of prison you dont look good for the cameras. Sorry that I am not some sheep who takes everything for granted. Maybe Jesse Jackson meant something years ago but now it is all about the dollars to me. I cant stand the man.

Name: musbdherbs
Comment: IJA/GHANK..ABSOLUTELY..there is just nothing I can add to that. Ghank...yes..you are a leader in what you do. We have plenty of such leaders in our communities but they don't bring the cameras.

Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Oldschool...I don't know a whole lot but I can assure you of this..IF Jessie was taking millions of dollars a year from people and not helping anyone...he would be out of business. So, that's an overreaching azzumption on your part. If I was heading a company/corp/non-profit..believe that I would make sure that "if" I could create business opportunities for my friends/family..I would. I don't know anything about your personal experiences w/his family nor your letter writing campaign. But, I wouldn't use him not donating money to the YMCA as a gauge of his likeability because he's not the only black person in the world who could've prevented them from being on the street. He is NOT responsible for the actions of his sons so I dont' see a point there either. Hell Kweisi Mfume's son publicly supported Michael Steele while Mfume Sr. supported Cardin. So while I can respect "your" reasons for not supporting Jessie none of that translates into anything of significance to ME. It's a personal thing for you and dat's kewl. But, Cronyism and nepotism is the name of the game. You may not like it but it is what it is.

Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD *jumping up and down* Did Musb agree with me AFTER I agreed with him? I knew this day would come. *grabs Musb and kisses both cheeks*

Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Oldschool...if you continue to harbor ill-will towards an organization whose overall mission far supercedes your bad experience, then maybe you need to resolve that w/yourself because that's not the attitude of "community" that will get us anywhere...anytime soon. Imagine if the majority of blacks decided NOT to vote because they didn't agree w/political policy that affects them. Hmmmmm..imagine that.

Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Ghank< of course you are a leader. And without people doing stuff like what you do the community would really be lost. But we do have to pay our leaders who have a national stage lots of attention b/c in some cases they truly are misrepresenting us. I was HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY offended when black leadership went a met PRIVATELY with Pres. Bush after Hurricane Katrina. These people included pastors, the head of the Urban League and some others I'm about to look up right now. They kept the contents of that meeting a SECRET. I thought it was bullsh!t you can't heal the black community without engaging all of us. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Name: musbdherbs
Comment: *sliding tongue across IJA's lipz*

Name: musbdherbs
Comment: IJA...u know that was a press op for them AND for Bush. Deny as they might, everybody is thrilled to meet w/the president..just 2 say they did...lol

Name: DOne
Comment: I've been reading the various comments, many of which I agree. We can talk all day about the "N Word" "Black Leaders" or what we as a community should be doing to fix our problems, however, I have one question, WHAT ARE WE (and that includes myself) WILLING TO SACRIFICE IN ORDER TO BRING ABOUT CHANGE. Being a successful community leader often means spending a great deal of time away from your own family, how many of us are willing to give up not being there all the time for our kids for the sake of the community? I think that we want change and deep inside; we also know how to make it happen, but deep inside we really aren't willing to sacrifice anything to make it happen. We argue over the N word simply because some of us don’t want to make the effort. We argue over what's a leader because most of we aren't willing to spend great amounts of time away from our families while holding down a full-time job in order to become leaders ourselves. That is what really differentiates us from some of those who came before. There were people who were willing to not only put their lives, but the lives of their families on the line for their principles and most of us today simply aren't ready to do that. I know I am rambling on, but change takes sacrifice and until we figure out what we are willing to sacrifice to bring about change, all we will ever do is discuss it.

Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Musb< you couldn't wait until OSB and Ghank left to tongue me down! You know I don't like Cyber PDA. You're exactly right about them being excited to meet the President. If I ever meet Bush at the white house I'm wearing flip flops just like those white girls on that vollyball team LMAO.

Name: TesticAl
Comment: *Puts on N.W.A. t-shirt*

Name: oldschoolbrother
Comment: mshudberbs>>>I am not the one to take any of this cyber bs personally. As a matter of fact due to what goes on in my life I teach me and mine to go for yours and stop even looking for any type of social and government programs. So it is nothing personal with anyone I take care of my own business. In the meantime I tutor kids in math and reading, and also teach basic computer skills. So believe me, I take care of my own business. Have a good day.

Name: musbdherbs
Comment: lol...u know u wild. Funny u mention that cuz just last week some people were in the office talkin about that same thing. One of the interns said (as I was walking past) "I didn't c nething wrong w/them wearing flip-flops. I mean, they had cute lil skirts so they were stylish." I didn't even realize until later that the lil girl feelings were hurt because my colleague had said that when I walked past their lil water cooler convo..I said "umph" and had a lil *snicker* behind it. Now I didn't know that I had done that but once told, it did sound like some'n I would do. But, I'm ALWAYZ tactful so it was a rare moment for me. *hate them damn flip-flops*

Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Musb< white people have twisted views of what's appropriate dress. Black people think that they invented jeans and button ups. No way. White boys do that when they have to dress up and they don't want to. They throw on a dress shirt some dingy jeans and sneakers. Sometimes they'll even throw in a tie! The white girls will wear dresses and skirts but with the flip flops...ah no no. I hate the President but if I met his dumb, war crime committing, torture supporting, not caring about black people, can't form a sentence azz, I would still dress up in case someone takes a picture.

Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Old...uhm...I'm not exactly sure who suggested that you took cyber stuff personally, that you aren't involved in community-based activities nor that you don't take care of your business. You've lost me on all of those. I apologize that I mistook you saying "I can't stand that man," and the preceding Jackson, YMCA, and Urban League comments as evidence of a "personal" issue you have w/any of those mentioned. I will say this, most people will consider the "tutoring" you do as "social programs" so while you may teach you and yours not to look for those programs, some people (like those you teach) do. In my experiences...those are exaclty "some" of the things that organizations like the League focus on.

Name: oldsoul
Comment: DOne> You probably will not get a response but what you said/wrote put an entire curriculum into a paragraph...simple as that. Great question. I know my answer and no doubt you have yours. I guess we'll just keep it in the Now - for now. Peace...

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