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huey
Comment: not acceptable, off with his mothereffin relic head! not tomorrow, not friday, not monday, NOW!
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soulmusic101
Comment: The following views made me think about this blow-up. Taken from the site: -----------------------------http://mirroronamerica.bl ogspot.com/
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PlanetRock
Comment: I was in tears cracking up when listening to The Howard Stern Radio Show on Sirius Satellite Radio yesterday. They played Imus' apology and had me rolling with their comments. As for Imus, the powers that be are just waiting for this "bump in the road" to die down and all will return back to "normal." If they were going to fire him, he would be gone already.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Sharpton has put this issue in the context of our Beautiful Black women should not be degraded and called “Ho’s” over the airwaves. O.k., fair enough, but in doing so, Mr. Sharpton and others have opened up a can of worms that they can’t put the lid back onto.
What I find strange in all this (and maybe I’m the only one) is that the so-called Black leadership seems to have selective amnesia on this issue. They want to scalp this man for saying “Nappy Headed Ho’s”? They want to do all of this organizing and protesting against this man??? When at the same time, within the so-called “Black Community” this kind of language, often from Black rappers, is par for the course. The use of the terms B*** and Ho’s, has become the standard for describing Black women. Not only that, but the rappers go even further and describe in graphic terms what they want these women to do (or what these women have done). And yes, this kind of sickness goes out over the airwaves via urban radio stations in Black Communities from Coast to Coast EVERYDAY!!!! EVERYDAY!!!! EVERYDAY!!!!
And even worse, the images that Black rapper thugs have perpetuated of Black women in rap videos is beyond deplorable. These images are 100 times worst than anything Imus did. His one offense doesn’t even come close to the severity or the frequency of offenses that Blacks perpetuate against other Blacks on a daily basis. No one has degraded people of color (particularly Black women) more effectively than other Black folks from the Rap/R&B/Entertainment world.
This is a very serious problem within the African American community.
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FiveMore
Comment: My 1st post mysteriously disappeared!But,CBS, NBC/MSNBC, and Imus sucks bad!White America rears his ugly head once again to destroy black people!Like the poster said keep the fire on the pot!Someone with magor clout should call them out!After all of the emails and phonecalls, Imus dumb, drunkazz still has a job!Wow!Only in America!
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fanteeking
Comment: Soul Music 101: Your post said it all and hit the nail right on the head. Nothing more can be said!!
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FiveMore
Comment: Oh!If he would have called Jewish women"a bunch of Matza Ball " eating hos," Imus in the Morning would have been ushered out of the building right then!Jewish men are racist and biased bigots, who pick and choose at will!What do you tell black children about this horrid situation?This is very troubling to me!
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McNasty
Comment: White men in the public are now showing what they really think and each time one opens his mouth we get in an uproar. This proves that we have to target the hip hop community who started slinging the words of degradation about black females. If we want to be upset (deservedly so) our anger should include them as well. When I heard what this rag tag mofo said I almost lost my mind. It wasn't just 'nappy head 'ho's' this fool said 'man, those rough looking girls are all tattooed' and then commenced to make his remarks. He finished by saying the tennessee team was 'cute'. I didn't get a good look at them but I'm assuming they were mostly white. Don Imus just like any other white man in his position should be taken off the air.
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shala
Comment: Bottomline, if we didn't use those phrases within our own community, others wouldn't feel it okay to use them either. Leave Imus alone. It was a joke. Get over it!
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McNasty
Comment: SoulMusic you couldn't be more right and I totally agree!
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cdub
Comment: Three days ago nobody cared about Don Imus now he is the lynch pen for a racist fool. The guy made a calculated error (trying to be funny with the slang) I believe two weeks is fair. Let the marketplace dictate what will happend next. I just want to see if all the passion we have to get him fired on changing our ways.
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YLawdY
Comment: With all that is wrong within the Black community, it is imperative that we take a stand against non Blacks making these types of disparaging remarks. We do it, it's not o.k. They do it, it's not o.k. Don Imus needs to be fired and we should be showing just how much pressure we can bring. E-mail, call, write the studios. E-mail, call, write the sponsors. I'm sure the authors that are part of the Simon and Schuster publishing house don't want to fall off the NY Times Bestseller list because Simon and Schuster is being boycotted. E-mail, write, call the authors. I've been reading the posts from yesterday and there was a pervasisve attitude that nothing can be done. It seems to me that only a few WANT to do anything about it other than "moan" about it not being right and just another day in AmeriKKKa. I agree that we need to clean up our own language within our own communities. I don't agree that if we don't use certain language, they won't. They were calling us N*ggers long before we used it as a "term of endearment". It was a joke, but the joke's on us...as usual. BTW here's the link for Simon & Schuster customer feedback. http://www.simonsays.com/content/consumer.cfm?sid=33&a pp=shop_customer_service
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YLawdY
Comment: BTW, that link is for book orders, but they don't provide a general mailbox. That form can still be used to get the point across.
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djwiz1
Comment: >> Soul Music 101... You are right on the money. Rev Al and all these other so-called "Black leaders" have no right to ask for Imus to be fired unless they are protesting the rappers and record company execs just as much.
My guess is that protesting rappers doesn't give them as much publicity so they don't bother. I heard Rev Al on CNN last night say that they have spoken out against rappers who sling the term Ho around, but I've never seen them do so with as much as fervor as they are using to go after Imus. Hypocrites. I'm not feeling them until I see them picketing down in front of the record labels. Don't let Rev Al gas you all up.
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mayday
Comment: I will say it again, Don Imus does not deserve and will not be fired. Don Imus is a SAFE target for Al and Jesse because he is an old drunkard white man and the black community does not care if they go after Imus. Sadly, neither Al, Jesse (or any other radio host) will go after the rappers by name. They will call them rappers or the hip hop community but they never call them outn by their name. Until they call out Luda, Lil Jon, Busta, Jay Z, 50 cent and the rest of them by name and boycott them then the Don Imus's of the world will continue to do what they do and get away with it. Imus and Al Sharpton were on the today show this morning and Al thought that he was going to take Imus to task but it actually was the other way around. Imus told him where the term nappy head, and jiggaboo originated and that he (IMUS) is an old stupid, repugnant, repulsive white man that should have known better then saying the terrible things that he said about the Rutgers team because they can hear those type of demeaning and demoralizing remarks everyday from black men in their own community.
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musbdherbs
Comment: I have never heard a black on-air personality refer to any woman as bytch or a ho. In fact, I can't recall hearing hip-hop artists refer to 'black' women as bytches and ho's....Women in general yes..black women no. Of course the understood assumption is that because they're black then they must be talking about black women. It is much easier to attack an 'individual' like Imus than an entire industry which makes mad guap off of the degradation of 'women' Sex and misogyny sells and it's not just in hip-hop (see most print ads). Are we know gonna say "well I raped her bcz of the way some women dress?" As Sharpton said, if the FCC can decide that u can't go around exposing your breasts then surely they can decide to censor certain commentary from the public forum. I don't recall any of us suggesting that because hip-hop artists parade women around in videos looking like first class hookers (fine hookers tho') that JAnet should be able to show her breastises. After all, hip-hop does it. It is extremely unfair for blacks to suggest that AL and 'nem do nothing to curb the objectification of women in hip-hop because that is just not true. They protest, they call attention but how many of us follow lead? Apparently not enough.
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mclibra
Comment: to soulmusic101.
You must not be aware that both Al Sharpton and Rev Jesse Jackson, have taken issue with the rappers and the words and images that are used to portray Black women, so while your rant is valid, you also have to know that, they do and have said something and they have had meetings with rappers. etc. Of course, the "WHITE MEDIA" is not going to report that, so that they can continue to demonize blacks,and cause it seems as if there is a double standard of Black leaders being contrary. They are not perfect leaders, but they are leaders, none the same. WE do not see all of the efforts that are made on our behalf. We are supposed to uplift and encourage, but yet we have a field day finding faults, pointing fingers and placing blame. Try to be a little bit more positive and progressive and then you will see how your life and your mindset will change. :)
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khufu
Comment: wake up Black people...american cultural supremacy and racism reigns and grows
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khufu
Comment: while I agree SOULMUSIC wholeheartedly....that's another issue....Din Imus' racism and NBC's position on the matter is the issue here.....while both are on the agenda (or should be) each is a peparate item that needs addressing and resolving
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khufu
Comment: shala...enemy of the Black community and impediment to Black folks liberation.......
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khufu
Comment: so what does Don Imus feel about the YT hoes in Girls Gone Wild?
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musbdherbs
Comment: His comments came from somewhere and I doubt he listens to hip-hop or watch BET. So he didn't pick it up from the community..that's a cop out. He was not referring to an unamed group. He specifically targeted black women basketball players at a black school and of all the words he could've chosen..he preferred "nappy-head ho's" a phrase I doubt is even in his vocabulary so he meant it exactly as it was received. I can't excuse that. Just like I can't excuse people suggesting that slavery existed because black people...at some point...enslaved each other too. Just like I can't excuse my ancestors who suggested that "well if they stopped trying to escape, master would stop beating us." Sorry those just don't fly because everything wrong can't always be black.
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papajedi
Comment: MSNBC and CBS gave Imus a two-week vacation. That's all that's going to happen. We know this isn't the first, second or third time that Imus has done this so why would the companies change their ways now? It's like giving an armed robber a two-week sentence but MSNBC or CBS are not going to cut their throats to spite their faces. Imus is still has ratings power and they are going to milk him til he's dry. I would be more impressed with Sharpton and Jackson if they would have loudly protested the way black rappers have been disrespecting black women for the last decade and more. If they tell everyone to stop buying these rap thugs CDs and won't stop protesting until the CDs are out of the stores, then I'll appreciate their efforts more.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Oh yeah one more thing. Once again, there is a discussion about the "black community" and whose names are we hearing again...Al Sharpton. I guess this is Al's fault too.
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khufu
Comment: MUSBDHERBS brings up interesting point: when rappers refers to biatches and hoes-why do we assume they exclusively refer to Black women?
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Renetta
Comment: We are a joke to America. We insult ourselves then get mad when others use the same words on us. Our self esteem is so low that we've accepted the negative stereotypes of ourselves and as a matter of fact - we embrace it. We get all up in arms about this white man calling us hos yet there are no picket signs from Jesse or Al when black rappers call us bytches and hos repeatedly ad nauseum. White men get their cue of what is acceptable treatment of us from OUR MEN. And OUR MEN don't seem to care as a matter of fact, they lead the charge in degrading black women.
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khufu
Comment: one issue and problem: yt making racist, supremacist, degrading statements about Black people
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khufu
Comment: ANOTHER ISSUE AND PROBLEM: Blacks folks participating oin their own degradation by referring to one another with derogatory names, phrases, etc.......
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musbdherbs
Comment: And I guess the next time a yt man kills a black male..the defense could easily be..well black men kill each other all the time. I mean, black men do kill each other so why not.
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khufu
Comment: no MUSB...that's too damn simple...Black on Black crime is different than YT killing Black folks...LOL..damn boy...go back to school and study Sociology and Psychology....is Homicide different than Suicide or Infaticide/Infatricide? Of course they all deal with death but each are classified differently and studied differently.......
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Platinum
Comment: I saw the Today show this morning and I don't believe any derogatory terms use by blk people were originated by blk people I just don't believe that!......some of us have taken these degrading terms and ran away with it but it didn't start with us.
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khufu
Comment: brillians azz point PLatinum......brilliant!!!!
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YLawdY
Comment: There are two distinct issues here: 1. Hip Hops portrayal of black life and 2. A white man on national t.v. & radio making racist, hurtful remarks about a specific group of women (a group that represents us well), women with names & faces. We should shut up because we haven't cleaned up rap music? Tell that to YOUR child, sister, mom, aunt when it's their turn to be disrespected like that.
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khufu
Comment: LAWDY sees it.......
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YLawdY
Comment: We're convuluting the issue with rap music, Jesse, Al, history of slavery, the weather. Can we agree that 1. What was said was wrong. 2. Where it was said was wrong. 3. An apology is not enough. I dare say if I stepped out my office door and proclaimed the AP group a bunch of trailer park trash crackers, I would be shown the door post haste. Professional responsibility dictates that I not do that. Imus should be held professional accountable for his "lapse" and drawn and quartered accordingly.
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YLawdY
Comment: that should have been "professionally".
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mseffy
Comment: Had to speak on this one. Some of these posts are saying rappers don't get ethnically-specific when they call women Ho's and Bytches; so....therefore, they may not be referring to black women? What kind of weak-azzed argument is that?? People who buy into something as weak as this also believe that only the narrow-minded thinking of Al and Jesse will 'help' us??? It hasn't so far!!! You can't MAKE people do the right thing when you're not doing it yourself. If WE want respect WE have to treat each other with respect...publicly, for ALL the world to see.
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PRDC
Comment: You all need to take the time out this week and watch "ROOTS", I think alot of you don't know one thing about where we came from and how we were treated just 60 years ago and some of todays. But we as blacks think that we have arrive, because we make a little money and love white people, they don't care about you, maybe one or two that marry and date opposite, but as a whole they don't care. I say take it back to the old days...when you make a statement we don't like..take care of it by any means necessary...they will stop..but because they apoloze and say this and that, we are suppose to let it roll off..but as a grown azz man you know exactly what you mean when you say something like this. I love my nappy head, born wih it... beautiful hair and I won't go putting on these long silky wigs or weaves like the sistas are doing now. What is that all about. To me you look very stupid and shows that you don't think your hair is beautiful. I wear braids and love them, have very long natural hair, but braids just keep me from cutting it and perming it too much. Love yourself with what you have and make the best of it. Every black sista on TV these days have this long unnatural hair, looking very stupid. Sure its you hair and you can do with it what you want, but take a few steps back and see what it really make you look like....a fool
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SpecialK
Comment: Until we (African Americans) clean up how we view women whether they are black or not will determine how long others will continue to do the same. It is sorta like calling the kettle black. Rappers do it all the time but nobody says anything and these fools are making money off of it. Don't get me wrong, Don Imus is a azzhole who opened his ignant mouth one too many times but lets get real, they will NOT fire him. Incidents like this and the Michael Richards incident should wake up everybody in this country to show them that racism in the USA is alive and kicking. This is America's greatest battle that it has yet to win. Very sad in the year 2007 that blacks, whites, hispanics, etc, have not accepted each other for what we are, God's children.
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YLawdY
Comment: Imus calls his suspension 'appropriate' By DAVID BAUDER, AP Television Writer
57 minutes ago
Radio host Don Imus, suspended for two weeks for calling the Rutgers female basketball players "nappy-headed hos," called the punishment appropriate Tuesday but stressed, "I am not a racist."
"What I did was make a stupid, idiotic mistake in a comedy context," Imus said on his show Tuesday morning, the final week before his suspension starts.
Asked by NBC "Today" host Matt Lauer if he could clean up his act as he promised on Monday, he said, "Well, perhaps I can't." But he added, "I have a history of keeping my word."
The radio host tried to shift some of the focus from himself, saying, "that phrase originated in the black community. ... I may be a white man, but I know that these young women and young black women all through that society are demeaned and degraded by their own black men and that they are called that name."
Imus said his staff had been trying to set up a meeting with the Rutgers players to apologize, but he said he didn't expect forgiveness. Of the two-week suspension by MSNBC and CBS Radio, he said: "I think it's appropriate, and I am going to try to serve it with some dignity."
Members of the Rutgers team and coach C. Vivian Stringer planned to speak publicly about the comments later Tuesday.
The Rev. Al Sharpton also appeared on "Today" and called the suspension "not nearly enough. I think it is too little, too late." He said presidential candidates and other politicians should refrain from going on Imus' show in the future.
Imus, who appeared on Sharpton's syndicated radio program for two hours Monday, accused the minister of lacking courage for refusing an invitation to appear on "Imus in the Morning." Sharpton said he couldn't tell people not to watch the show and then appear on it. "It's not about courage," he said.
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YLawdY
Comment: Imus could be in real danger if the outcry causes advertisers to shy away from him, said Tom Taylor, editor of the trade publication Inside Radio. The National Organization for Women is also seeking Imus' ouster.
Imus isn't the most popular radio talk-show host — the trade publication Talkers ranks him the 14th most influential — but his audience is heavy on the political and media elite that advertisers pay a premium to reach. Authors, journalists and politicians are frequent guests — and targets for insults.
The Rutgers comment struck a chord, in part, because it was aimed at a group of young women at the pinnacle of athletic success. It also came in a different public atmosphere following the Michael Richards and Mel Gibson incidents, said Eric Deggans, columnist for the St. Petersburg Times and chairman of the media monitoring committee of the National Association of Black Journalists. The NABJ's governing board, which doesn't include Deggans, wants Imus canned.
Baseball star Cal Ripken Jr., who was to appear on Imus' show later this week, canceled the appearance, according to the Washington Times.
The "Today" show's Al Roker said Tuesday on his show's official blog that it was time for Imus to go. "I, for one, am really tired of the diatribes, the 'humor' at others' expense, the cruelty that passes for 'funny,'" Roker said.
Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), whose presidential candidacy has been backed by Imus on the air, said he would still appear on Imus' program.
"He has apologized," McCain said. "He said that he is deeply sorry. I'm a great believer in redemption."
Imus' fate could ultimately rest with two of the nation's most prominent media executives: CBS Corp. chief Leslie Moonves and Jeff Zucker, head of NBC Universal.
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YLawdY
Comment: MSNBC.com has a live vote going on what should happen to Imus. Results are interesting.
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mayday
Comment: The rappers may not come right out of their mouth and say black women are ho's, bytches, wh@res but usually when these words are being spoken/sang there is a black women shaking her azz in the video or getting a credit card slid down the crack of her butt, so some may AZZume that they are talking about black women.
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bigheadbull2
Comment: This bastard looks worse than the Geico Caveman
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musbdherbs
Comment: Effy..not "some" posts..."I" said that they aren't 'specifically' referring to black women. Therefore, comparing the comments made by Imus (when there is no question about the "who" in his comments) to those made by rappers (which are derogatory towards all women especially those who appear in the videos, [black, latina, south american etc]) in their "lyrics" is, IMO, a weak azzed arguement. You can't go into a court and argue "because they did it" for a reason. If you kill somebody u can be charged w/1st degree murder. But, if you kill AND use racially charged slurs u can also be charged w/a hate crime and it doesn't matter how many black people may kill each other using the same slurs. That's not weak..it's a fact. In fact, y don't u shoot up a school and use as your defense "well yt people do it" and see how up under the jail u'll really be.
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sigmascribe
Comment: musbdherbs}I can roll with you on this one.
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ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: Here's what really disturbs me...that all this energy given to Don Imus, takes away from the success and talents of the Lady Knights, the phenomenal leadership of Coach Vivian Stringer and the history of hard work and perserverance of this team. This team of remarkable African-American women has been able to remain honorable, demonstrate true sportsmanship, stand with dignity and continue their quest for excellence, academically and athletically, in the face of adversity. That makes me proud...it should make us all proud.
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barnone
Comment: HERBS> 4 once u and i r on the same side of the fence. interesting points, particularly re: rappers and a$$umption of hos, etc. being sistas. and i must reiterate that while we as a community have not held up the banner of self-respect, the degradation of AA's began 400+ yrs. ago when our ancestors were stolen from the shores of Mother Afrika. what we see on MTV Base, BET, etc. is only symptomatic of white supremacy.
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2ndChance
Comment: In defense of Al he has spoken out against the current state of black music for a while now. I also recall him chastising Chris Rock years ago as a guest on his show. He told Chris to stop saying nig ger. Chris of course laughed it off..........As far as Imus is concerned I prefer to have an ignorant azz show their true colors. To hell with hidden racism. Let a sista know how you really feel.
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2ndChance
Comment: lol bigbullhead, he is a little archaic looking thing.
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ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: Link for letter from the President of Rutgers of University: http://www.president.rutgers.edu/letter_040907.shtml
I'd also like to add that I don't give a ratz hairy azz about whether rappers are specifically referring to black,white, asian, disabled, or the elderly as ho's bytches or skanks/skillets...such utter disregard for women is disgusting and it needs to stop. This goes for men and women, even in jest. It's just not funny and the constant use of these words in daily conversation only demonstrates a very limited vocabulary.
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jess
Comment: The only way that people like Imus get away with spewing racist the crap they do is by our permission. They hear and see the disgraceful way Black women are treated by rappers in lyrics and how we ALLOW ourselves to be portrayed in videos, tv and movies and they think it's ok for them to degrade us. After all, we make millionaire out of these rappers so it must be ok, right? I know, everyone is getting paid so what's the problem right? We can't have it both ways folks. We can't scream outrage every time something like this happens and disregard our contribution to this s--t. I'm sorry but I agree with Rev. Al. It's not enough to be upset for 3 days and forget about it. You want to hit them where it hurts, in the pocket, well it takes a movement to do so, a SUSTAINED MOVEMENT like BACK IN THE DAY to get the message across and nothing does it IN THIS DAY
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Musb< rappers are talking about black women NO QUESTION. I'm sorry, they just are. And even if they weren't, they still are b/c they are black and they are us and we are them. I still shake my azz to it and have no intention of stopping but they are talking about us. I listened to Imus this morning, and I agree with what Bill Maher said, the joke was lame, but a lot of what Sharpton and Jackson are promoting is fake outrage. If black people were really so outraged about this they would be willing to do more than what is possible from the comfort of their own home. In other words, they would be willing to do more than just write in and email friends to write in. When Latinos thought they were in danger of being rounded up as a result of changing immigration laws, they boycotted in every city. That's real outrage. This posting on the internet writing in bullsh!t is lukewarm at best.
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jess
Comment: Sorry friends, computer glitch. I was saying nothing does it better in this day like a major hit to the pocketbook. I do believe Imus should be dealt with for his comments. He was wrong, period. His ego was out of control and he needs a big reality check. We can give it to him if we boycott his sponsors and sustain the pressure.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: SoulMusic>> thank you for sharing the URL information . . . from that site the following phrase wounds me deeply as an African-American woman: "And even worse, the images that Black rapper thugs have perpetuated of Black women in rap videos is beyond deplorable. No one has degraded people of color (particularly Black women) more effectively than other Black folks from the Rap/R&B/Entertainment world." To that, I add the Rap/R&B/Entertainment videos tend to show Black women in all variety of positions and undress which is why much of the world diss Black women as beyatches and ho's. Even worse, when queried, too many young, Black women say the lyrics and videos are not about them(??!!!). . . We did not get to wander in the wilderness for 40 years in order to have the slave mentality die out of our perspectives. How can we stand on the shoulders of our ancestors when we permit the level of rot that we have chosen to live with regardless of whether it's from blacks or whites? This is not about Imus. It's about us: what do we do to police this craziness ourselves because we are raising sons and daughters who should not repeat these mistakes.
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YLawdY
Comment: Rutgers coach %*$ails Imus' comments By REBECCA SANTANA, Associated Press Writer
8 minutes ago
Rutgers women's basketball coach C. Vivian Stringer on Tuesday called comments made by radio host Don Imus "racist and sexists remarks that are deplorable, despicable and unconscionable."
"These young ladies are the best this nation has to offer, and we are so very fortunate to have them at Rutgers University," Stringer said of her players. "They are young ladies of class, distinction. They are articulate, they are gifted. They are God's representatives in every sense of the word."
Imus was suspended for two weeks for calling the Rutgers female basketball players "nappy-headed hos."
"It's not about them (players) as black or nappy headed. It's about us as a people," Stringer said. "When there is not equality for all, or when there has been denied equality for one, there has been denied equality for all."
She further said: "While they worked hard in the classroom and accomplished so much and used their gifts and talents, you know, to bring the smiles and the pride within this state in so many people, we had to experience racist and sexist remarks that are deplorable, despicable, and abominable and unconscionable. It hurts me."
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Shortey71
Comment: Very interesting comments today folks.
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YLawdY
Comment: PISCATAWAY, N.J - Rutgers women’s basketball team will meet with embattled radio host Don Imus, and their coach on Tuesday called his comments “racist and sexists remarks that are deplorable, despicable and unconscionable.”
Players stopped short of saying whether they thought Imus should be fired.
But forward Essence Carson said: “We have agreed to have a meeting with Mr. Don Imus.”
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musbdherbs
Comment: The major problem I have w/the opposing points is the azzertion that "black people are responsible for the actions of yt people." In essence, that's what's being said here and I just can't agree w/that. Are the comments by Imus less racist/offensive because he's saying things similar to what rappers sing in their lyrics? If we are to believe all of the stats of the "hip-hop" consumer, it is not blacks but non-blacks who are mostly responsible for rappers being millionaires. The question is how far are we willing to go w/this argument? If blacks stop crying racism..will people stop being racists? If blacks stopped killing each other..will people stop being racists? Considering the thought process of some of you..is that not the logical conclusion..if black people [insert] then yt people will [insert]. Does that really make sense? IJA...I didn't say that "I" don't believe they are talking about black women. I simply pointed out the ill-comparison w/rappers spewing sexist lyrics about "women" and Imus specifically targeting the Rutgers players. I would see the comparison "if" rappers were talking about "them nappy-head ho's at Spelman" but they aren't. You as well I know that "we" are always talking about how "ridiculous" boycotts are so I'm not sure why people are suggesting that Al and 'nem should do something that we constantly object to. Apparently we don't believe in boycotts cuz we've voiced that time and time again. Last week he was calling out Yayo and people said he should be spending his time on more important things. This week, he's calling out Imus and now we're saying.."how dare he when he doesn't call out rappers" Can we really have it all ways? On another note, who exactly was Rick James referring to w/his song "Superfreak?" C. Delores and Tipper tried to start a campaign against gangsta rap...many of us "young" folk were toddlers. Are we to blame for their lack of success? I mean..let some people tell it..we came out the womb w/a glock in our hands and made up words that didn't exist. Let's be serious.
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lilmocc
Comment: We do need to tackle this thang from ALL sides - Black and White. It appears that the ytes and other groups feel as if it is ok to come right out and say whatever negativity they need to say about us without hiding it anymore. The mentality seems to be - If Blacks can call their women ho's, then why can't Ytes. If Blacks can call one another N I G G A, then why can't ytes. I know hip-hop has influence and all of that but I dont' care what no one says, hip hop will NEVER be as powerful as the WHITE media - whether that be on TV, print or radio. So the exposure is quite different. What is most disturbing is the number of young people who don't think there is anything wrong with this situation AT ALL. Those who are so clueless they don't realize what has occurred not too long ago and what is occurring in a more subtle fashion now. If this generation doesn't stand up, we can't possibly expect the next one to continue the fight.
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musbdherbs
Comment: And I know none of our more "conscious" black brothas and sistas would dare dance to songs like Superfreak! IJA..in an effort to have full disclosure here...can u answer why u supported Isiah Washington being fired for saying "faggot" but do not support Imus being fired for referring to black women as "nappy-head ho's?" I thought about it on y'day but forgot to ask. Just wondering.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: musb and lilmocc>> we have to operate simultaneously on several levels as we always have had to do - certainly, we want to and will deal with institutionalized issues of disparate treatment - we also have to look at HOW WE function as a communities without monolithic points of view or leadership as only we can fix what ails us - we don't need other people to tell us that we have broken, self-related issues to resolve. The question is whether we have the fortitude to stick out the generational 20 years or more that is needed to fix us.
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ladyt
Comment: Musbdherbs... I have to agree with all your comments totally. You are right on the money.
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ladybyrd
Comment: I think IMUS should be FIRED as I thought STAR should have been FIRED. I know those who thought Star should have kept his job because of freedom of speech but feels that IMUS should be fired. Sharpton backs rappers who call African American women B*tches & Ho's but feels that IMUS should be FIRED. Get the hell out of here. IMUS, STAR and all hip hop artist or whomever making money off cd's referring to women as b*tches & ho's should be LET GO! Period...
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ladybyrd
Comment: ...and I love me some hip hop, but I'm on the old stuff from the beginning to late nineties.
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FiveMore
Comment: *taking temperature*lol!@ladyt-I agree with Musbdherbs too!He has made some excellent points today!As a mother of two daughters and a son,I am offended by rappers(anybody) making such vile remarks,as well a popular radio/news host trying to degrade young African American women in this manner.We must not allow fortune Wallstreet or fortune 500 companaies dictate our worth in America.If the water becomes any hotter,(re:soulmusic101 post from yesterday)Imus may be forced into early retirement!The Revolution will Be Televised,Gill!Don't let Bernard off the hook!He is the one that started the ball rolling!
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Stephanie
Comment: SoulMusic, that's a wrap and no more needs to be said. Straight forward to the point. So Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, save it!
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Musb< whoa whoa. Go back to archives. I did NOT say Isiah SHOULD be fired, I said I understood WHY gay people would call for him to be fired and that if I was hit with a racial/sexual slur at work I would want THAT person to be fired from a job where they worked with ME.
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Also, Musb, I agree with all of your comments today EXCEPT for that I think rappers are specifically talking about black women in their lyrics. Otherwise you are point...I just don't support Imus being fired, and I don't think we should make noise about things UNLESS we will see our demands to fruition!
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bigchassie
Comment: imus better watch his back. and ROOTS is on TV again.
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Name:
sweetpea
Comment: I agree with several of the post comments about us taking reponsibility for the negative images that are shown around the world. Most people in the world feel like if we call each other niggar's, whores and bithces etc. why can't they. African-Americans need to wake up!
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tester70
Comment: As Tavis reiterated this morning, and Bond said,Imus has been making these comments for years. It's not as hard and divisive as WE are making it. The man has been in this business for 40 years. He is an ALLEGED professional, therefore even in jest he KNEW what type of firestorm this would cause. But, youtube put him on blast! Because I'd have never known because I watch what I put into mine. Therefore I don't subjugate my mentality to foolishness that he and his collegues spout. Bottom line he was wrong, and it took CBS/MSNBC too long to react cause its all about the money, honey.
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Name:
Grace
Comment: All Imus gotta do is go on Sattelite(sp?) Radio like Howard Stern did.
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MsFresno
Comment: MUSB-- you are always on point with your comments.
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jess
Comment: musbdherbs> I agree with many of your comments, however I don't think any of us feels that we are responsible for the actions of yt people. We are however responsible for our own actions. We are responsible for helping to make these rappers millionaires if we spend one dime on their product. Now I ask, if we don't want to boycott, what do we want to do about these types of things? P-ssing and moaning on the internet is nothing but a release. How do we fight this? Yes a racist is going to be a racist, but that shouldn't stop us from demanding respect. Lilmocc is right, we have to attack it from all sides, all of us taking responsibility.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: if all the rappers stopped their degrading language tommorrow, yt would continue....
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Name:
khufu
Comment: yt is one whole separate issue.....
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YLawdY
Comment: I have to agree with khufu. IJA...shut up! I just felt like saying that cause it's been a while. *smooches*
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ImJustAsking
Comment: YlawdY< what are you talking about?
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ImJustAsking
Comment: YlawdY< if you're talking about the point khufu made about what rappers say not having anything to do with what white people say i was the FIRST person on this board to make that point when the Kramer issue came out MONTHS ago. Most people disagreed with me but Musb remembered that I said it and gave me credit for that yesterday. Otherwise, what are you talking about?
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khufu
Comment: all credit due to the honorable IJA...all credit due to the honorable IJA...give her patent and copyright protection LOL
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MUS why do you equate Black folks with white folks considering the historical and cultural differences?
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khufu
Comment: surely as educated as you are that the reasons (historical and cultural) why Black folks (or any people) participate in their own degradation is diferent than those reasons why the dominant culture use degrading language of the historically, economically, politically and socially opppressed people? Surely you know that.....
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moodring100
Comment: Well, i am still waiting on Jessie and AL , to MAKE a statment about what happened in MEMPHIS , TN.MICKEY WRIGHT, was killed ,burned, and cut up,and his killer(yt man) only received 15 years.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Let me try to clear this up: My comments about hip-hop mysogyny having "no face" is ONLY in response to those who suggest that what Imus said was no different. There was an identifiable "face" to what Imus said. He targeted black female college students. As I said up dere, as bad as some of the lyrics are, I have never heard any rapper (in song or otherwise) say "nappy-head ho's at Spelman." So, I don't agree w/the Imus/hip-hop comparison. That was/is my 'only' point in bringing that up.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Jess..I agree w/what u said. I think people assume that because I take an "unpopular" side that I must somehow be in support of [insert cause] when I'm not. As 'simple' as it sounds, it's hard to stop an industry which profits off of sexism. I would guess that a lot of people who listen to music in general are more into it because of the sound/beat than the words - the production. Are we to believe that these rappers refer to their wives, girlfriends, mothers, daughters and aunts as bytches and ho's? I'm sure that their loved ones realize that they aren't talking about "them." So, everyone (myself included) does not feel as if we are "condoning" the negativity just by listening/purchasing music. I've been to a many operas and can't tell you what the hell is being sung about in Madame Butterfly. For all I know the entire opera could be about canibalism but the production is stellar. I apply the same principle when listening to hip-hop. When I'm out at a club and Nelly's "flap your wings" come on...I don't think many women (as they get 'they' eagle on) feel as if they're being "objectified" So this 1+1=2 thing is really just tooo complex to be so simple.
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YLawdY
Comment: Muds has a point. When I'm listening to Luda an 'nem, I know the females they're rapping about aren't me, so I'm not feeling the negativity. There are bytches and there are ho's, just not the Rutgers basketball team as a whole, black women as a whole or me. IJA...I was just agreeing with what khufu said at the moment. I don't doubt for a minute that you said it previously. It it something that bears repeating repeatedly. The shut up was just cause I haven't said it in a while.
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YLawdY
Comment: moodring100 ...maybe they're not aware of the sentencing.
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YLawdY
Comment: that should have been "bares". I am too semi literate. Shut up, IJA.
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dlaylo216
Comment: The problem i have when discussing rappers and the language they use is we don't look at the music industry as a whole. While the rappers who seem to have success nowadys are those who uses diaparaging remarks of their women and themselves. why is this. Is the attitude of the rap community as a whole or are there other forces at work. Ask yourself, how many positive rappers have has success in the last 20 years as oppose to rparres who use these remarks? We need to stop being a ignorant as we wanna be and begin at the top. The people who ulimately decide what we listen to, are not of the african american community. We need to stop the ignorant conversation like rappers are going to change when the powers that be wont allow that change. They contiue to profit off of our labor much like what was done some 400 years ago. We are just to narrowminded to see. I don't blame Imus for his remarks, nor do i think he should be fired. How does a quick fix like firing someone make lasting change. How about the show become forced to show alternate perspectives on a regular basis, like having someone who has studied race relations, not just as a product of thereof) as a integral part of the discussion. I am tired of seeing Rev al or Rev jesse being paraded around the circut like they are the pulse of the Black Community. There are plenty other leaders whose qualifications, education and overall experience in the subject is in far greater need.
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moodring100
Comment: That story has been on CNN,Inside Edition,Fox News.I wish someone would tell them
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FiveMore
Comment: (taken from ybf)You all know the rap community is not kind to black women in their music.Snoop, Ludacris and others spout out the words %*$!( and whore like it aint even funny on a constant basis.Snoop THE SELF self professed ex-pimp, (a jerk) and the HIPHop community must be held accountable also.Where is Russel Simmons when you really need him?He pretends that the music is harmless, and friendly all the while this guy has made millions from the destruction of black women/community.They crap on us all day and no one is affended by this backwards mindset;I am tired of the music culture doing this mess .We are more than big bootied hos, shakin azz for dollars in slimy videos with "semi-straight" acting rappers.It is time for the real men to stand up and speak out against this mindless nonsense!Snoop, Ludacris, and etc. are fathers to daughters, so what will their futures hold when their own dad call women all types of filthy words.Let us stop saying "they aint talking to me", when ugly words(b-i-1th/ho) are spewed in these horrible songs.Imus is a jerk and MSNBC does not cater to the black community-where are the African American anchors and reporters?(1or 2 correspondants)Ludacris' "I got Hos IN EVERY AREA CODE" Sorry for the diatribe, but we have to clean around our own front doors!
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ImJustAsking
Comment: YlawdY< I have to ask this because I always wonder when women say that...how do you know they are not talking about you? You may not be a ho in your own personal definition but how do you know you're not one in THEIR definition? And, once the term is used so often, doesn't it cease to denote the old definition of "whorish" and begin to become synonomous with a derogatory term for all women? That's basically what Eugene Robinson said in his op-ed today and I agree. I think that in hip hop culture ho and b!tch is all women and in many of my interactions with young black men they don't know the difference anymore and they treat us all the same and use ho and b!tch to refer to women whom they love/hate/respect/despise etc. But maybe that's just my experience. Like I said, I admit to dancing to it, buying it, listening to it, but I admit to my hypocrisy without trying to use the "oh they're not talking about me" line. And if we can extend the courtesy to black men that when they are derogatory they are not talking specifically to us on a personal level... then why can't I lend the same courtesy to the big homey Imus? After all, my hair isn't nappy, it's curly, and I can count my sexual partners on one hand so I'm not a ho, PLUS those girls on the Rutgers team do look like they could play for the Raptors...
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papajedi
Comment: These ladies will meet with Imus and show him the err of his ways. As a matter of fact, they probably will teach him a thing or two about race relations if he opens himself up enough to them. They will show him the class and maturity that he sadly lacks when you believe in bigoted ideas about others different from you. If Imus is truly repentful, he'll allow himself to see the beauty of these women, inside and out, and know that he has been in a foolish mindset for a very long time.
But it's never too late to change your attitude and start anew if you are truly remorseful!
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YLawdY
Comment: As I said up there *pointing up*, there is are faces and names associated with the hate that came out of Imus' mouth. These girls, their families, friends, classmates, etc. all know exactly WHO "big homey Imus" was talking about. Even if they do look like Raptors, I mean like they could play for the Raptors, they don't deserve to be clowned like that.
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YLawdY
Comment: IJA...how many times you counting those same fingers?
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Name:
timmdogg
Comment: Soulmusic101 - I totally 150 percent agree with you. We as black people need to quit making disparaging remarks amongst ourselves. Only then can others follow suit and prevent this deplorable choice of wording! Things will not change in the black community until we as a collective group of people take a stand and go against others in the black community that perpetuate this problem! Once again we are sometimes our own worst enemy! Nuff said!
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ImJustAsking
Comment: YlawdY< I count each of the 4 ONCE. I agree that those girls don't deserve to be embarrassed on a national level esp, with regard to their ethnicity and sexuality but as black women we don't deserve to be collectively %*$aulted in music either. Those girls are scrutinized on a daily basis througout the season, they can handle this. Esp. since they rode off after that press conference listening to I love my B!tch by Busta Rhymes or whatever else was on the radio.
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ImJustAsking
Comment: LOL YlawdY< I haven't seen the girls on the Rutgers team so for all I know they could all be supermodels. I was just playing devil's advocate. Although, I did notice that one girl's name was Epiphanny and I don't feel that's right.
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musbdherbs
Comment: IJA..just to..well be me. Eugene did conclude that the hip-hop community is being responsible for the "mainstreaming" of ho but I disagree w/his premise. Bytch is no longer a term that means female dog and hasn't for some time now. Hip-hop is not to blame for that. Many terms (n1ggah, dawg[sic], boy, kat[sic]) just don't refer to the words original meaning. When I listen to either of those terms in music I don't think that they're calling "me" a n1ggah. So, that's why I think it's reasonable for people to say the "oh they're not talking about me line." When I hear stories or songs about trifling black men...I don't azzume that I'm being talked about. It can't be different just because it's black women. Personally, "I" don't know of any black man who has EVER, when talking to a woman they love/respect, as a bytch or a ho. In conversation w/their boyz..yeah. So it's not exactly the same.
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Name:
2ndChance
Comment: all i want to know is what tha hell do yall do for a living? up in this mug typing essays and what not. dc folks let me know when they have new positions open. lol
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: And there really is something to be said about the way in which words are used. I really don't think I'm a dog when my boyz say "aye dawg..waddup
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Name:
ImJustAsking
Comment: Musb< I don't agree with Eugene's entire article just his point that those names have become synonomous with woman and that they carry a heavy negative connotation and are reflected in the way too many of our men interact with women. And I didn't say that men use those terms in front of those women (although MANY of them do...helloo I love my b!tch, me and my b!tch etc. maybe it's just a Northern thing) what I said was men use them to REFER to women in all facts of their lives thereby making a negative term (ho/b!tch) synonomous with a neutral term (woman). A man cannot take a derogatory term for a woman and make it positive! Same way a white person can't use n!gga to address a black person in an endearing manner. You have to be in the circle. Maybe from your male POV b!tch and ho when uttered by a man doesn't carry a negative connotation...but I find that hard to believe. I notice that everytime these subjects come up you personally don't happen to know anyone who participates in whatever negative behavior that happens to be up for discussion.
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Did this N!gga just compare being called dawg by his homeboys to a man calling a woman a ho?? I thought we were cool. You know what, I got a speech to work on. I'm out.
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musbdherbs
Comment: My pov as a male is the only perspective I can speak from. If I said "man them bytches were at the club deeper than a mkfr" my boyz would know exactly what my intent is. Would I ever say that to a woman? Absolutely not. Using the term in that way does not make it right but there's a collective understanding of what it means. Since no one (including him) really can pinpoint "why" (other than hip-hop uses it 2) Imus "chose" to use "nappy-head ho's", we can reasonably assume he "meant" it in a racially insensitive way. My not knowing ne1 who participates in such behavior has more to do w/who I choose to hang w/than it does being "oblivious" to what's out there. My crew is my crew for a reason. I don't 'hang' around people who can't articulate well or have an intellectually stimulating conversation. I don't hang w/people who cheat on their wives. I don't hang w/people who use coke/aine or any of that other stuff. I don't hang w/people who abuse their spouses. IU don't hang w/those who (when talking to women) call them bytches and ho's. There are people who do...I'm just not one of them. Doesn't make me any better than ne1 else..that's just not my thing.
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Name:
mcctusk
Comment: musb...been checking out your posts today and seriously, I think some of your comments today have been waaay off base. Whilst you and your homies who don't cheat on their wives do drugs (or whatever) can differentiate the real from the entertainment 'value' of hip-hop music, it is neither written for nor marketed toward your demographic. Regardless as to who Snoop et. al. are THINKING of when they use those terms, the truth of the matter is, young girls internalize the message, they emulate the video dancers in dress, form and body image. So, though I understand you were using the example as an illustration as to the culpability of Imus and his remarks, it is of no consuquence as to WHO rappers intend to refer to when they use boitch and h0, the damage is done to our girls. Also, I ain't gonna be no mo nappy headed Spelman h0s up in this piece!! :0)
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ladybyrd
Comment: HarrisThomas > "Say It Loud"!... You are absolutely correct. We are so confused and brainwashed by our own ignorance. Someone just said "How many positive rappers has made it" I say "Maybe because we are allowing the negative one's to thrive. We are selling the soles of our ancestors. Our people have been treated badly and spoken about even worse. Now we need to put of with this?? We don't need to take what today's rap see as creativity (see Russell Simmons) and we see it has negativity! How creative must you be to say B*tch, Ho, Chrysler, Rolls Royce, Dubs, Spinners, Crystal Champagne, Grillz...NOT VERY!Crystal has turned their backs not it's time for BLACKS to turn a DEAF EAR. How talented do you need to be... NOT VERY! Talent has all but died in the BLACK community and it's taking the Black Youths with them.
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cornbread
Comment: FUKK ALL YOU STRINGY HAIRED WET DOG SMELLIN SNOW BUNNY WHITE %*$!(EZZ. HOW YOU LIKE ME KNOW?
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