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soulmusic101
Comment: After listening to Des'ree and Beyonce's version....Des'ree should get all of her money plus all court fee's. Beyonce can afford it, now that her Contract with Sony is almost up, Sony will unlock the vault to keep Beyonce in their stable. BMG has all the artist's (The American Idol stable, Xtina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake, etc.) and Sony has fallen hard since the day's of Michael Jackson's "Thriller" and Bruce Springsteen "Born In The U.S.A. For those who don't know BMG/RCA and Sony/CBS merged as one not too long ago. Plus Jay-Z is looking to bring B to Def-Jam which will increse her bargining power. That still was shady and I'm not feeling that "Kitty Kat" video....lol...I think that I will skip the Beyonce "Live" CD that is coming out in the fall but the Shakira video is nice.
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Teigh
Comment: no wonder BMG wants out of the merger...Beyonce, poster girl for womanhood and not having an ego, and wanting to promote unity among women did the oldest trick in the book. This is a flimsy attempt to get a songwriting or arrangement credit by changing lyrics here & there and adding chords. Desiree added this song to the Romeo & Juliet soundtrack and Beyonce's video looks like outtakes from the Sports Illustrated photo shoot. (From the looks of this video I can believe she wanted her back-up dancers to pay their won fares to the gig). Now if someone did to Beyonce what she did to Desiree -- Mamma & Papa Knowles would be all over them. Was she that desperate to get that song on the re-release? The changes she made to the lyrics strongly suggest that she is targeting this song as the wedding song for this year. Sheet music sales, wedding CD compilations, shame shame shame!!! I bet Jay told her to do it and just pay Desiree after the fact. If I were Desiree I would make her cease & desist all sales and strip the song and video off any future relases. In publishing, it's very specific -- you either have permission or you don't.
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ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: I'm not sure how Bey thought this was gonna fly but her version might as well be Des'ree's version. Only 150K? Why so little? CO-sign Teigh, make her cease and desist, but also sue her for anything that she's made off the song/video so far, the potential revenue + the 150K & court/attorney fees. IMHO
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PgDn
Comment: Really dismayed by this obvious theft. Bey's packaging may be starting to fall apart and loose it's appeal.
True talent doesn't always win out but hopefully in this case it will and Des'ree will get what she deserves.
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MOTHERSHIP
Comment: Be and nem really ought know better than this.
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yelleyw
Comment: I remember Des'ree version from the movie Romeo and Juliet it was one of my favorite parts of the movie. I have had it on my ipod for the longest. I think Des'ree deserves more than what she is asking for. Bey's version is aight but it cant touch the original. Des'ree straight killed that ish her voice is amazing!
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Industrypro
Comment: I hope Desiree gets her money plus some. This is stealing. If Beyonce is doing stuff like this on the advice of Jay then I hope she reads our comments and realizes that listening to him may not always be such a good move. Also as an artist Beyonce needs to show more empathy.
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Grace
Comment: I think Beyonce is getting desperate. Po thang! She need to fire Pookie. Between these two versions. I don't know who's better. This is my third day feeling sleepy. Des'ree's version almost put me to sleep. She sounds like an opera singer. She also sounds soothing which didn't help me. Beyonce's version was ok. The melody was similar including the way she held her notes. The part where she's singing about her man makes love to her, I thought gross. TMI. But like another poster said it's all for a wedding song. Or just falling in love. I think she should sue for more money. I think her re-release did better than the original release date. By her suing (controversy), the song is probably gonna get very popular.
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McNasty
Comment: Just shows no matter how good you are there really is no originality in the music coming out now. So much so that one of america's favorites had to steal. I wonder if Desree could get bouncy for punitive damages too. I also agree that 150k is not enough for straight up jacking her music.
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khufu
Comment: okay,,this is either malicious thefy of intellectual property, gross incompetence or damn stupidity.....but she look(s) good!
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khufu
Comment: theft
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MOTHERSHIP
Comment: Also, Desi, needs to brang her tail back to the studio, that sista can blow!
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MOTHERSHIP
Comment: McNasty, the originality thing is what irks me about the artists and the industry now. I mean WTF is it that hard to do you??
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thatlilboy
Comment: I HAVE TOLD YAWL ONCE BEFORE BEY CAN'T WRITE A SONG TO SAVE HER LIFE... WHAT HAPPENS IS DADDY KNOWELS PAYS THE SONG WRITER UP FRONT FOR THE SONG AND PUTS BEYONCE NAME ON IT FOR WRITING CREDITS. HE DID IT FOR IRREPLACEABLE...THAT SONG WAS WRITTEN BY NEYO.... BUT DADDY KNOWLES PAID NEYO FOR THE SONG AND HE PAID HIM TO TAKE HIS NAME OFF OF THE SONG AS THE SONG WRITER WHICH ALOUD HIM TO PUT BEY AS THE SONG WRITER... WHICH MEANS SHE GETS COPYWRITING CREDIT FOR THE SONG NOT NEYO... I FOUND THIS OUT RECENTLY WHEN I SAW NEYO IN CONCERT LAST DECEMBER AND HE ANNOUNCED AT THE CONCERT THAT HE WROTE IRREPLACEABLE FOR BEY AND THAT OTHER BIG HIT LAST YEAR FOR RIANNA THATS ON JAY-Z DEF JAM LABEL
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McNasty
Comment: 'Ship you know what it is. The lack of real musical talent, and by that I mean very few of these artists can play an instrument and none of them use live bands. Plus most do it for the money and not for the love of music. Canned beats will get you a repeat errytime!!lmbao
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mcctusk
Comment: ditto my sentiments industry....she prolly was listening to Jay-Z's biting arse..now HE can't write an original lyric to save his life...he does to lyrics what Diddy does to tracks.
Also, I am tired of seeing that wet, dripping nasty weave on my video screen..she looks like a rat dog about the head.
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golfebj
Comment: Dang B...
Pay up. SMH
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soulmusic101
Comment: I finally caught the "College Hill" episode where all h.e.l.l breaks loose...The Cali kid's look stupid for not wanting to do as the Roman's do. Came off as if they were more superior to the V.I. peep's. I personaly found it sexy how the V.I. woman had that cool accent. Reality show's are known for editing to cause drama and create a "story" but this came off as ghettoish. Made me glad to be from Northern Cali. Listening to "Didn't I Blow Your Mind" this time......didn't I by The Delfonic's. Why do Cali and New York folk's alway's think that their part of town is better than everyone else's? I have been guilty of this too and will try 2 check myself and enjoy where ever I lay my head, in the future.
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soulmusic101
Comment: My bad...post meant for the FFA page.
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Platinum
Comment: Uh-oh Beyonce you know that's not your song! Beyonce is cool with me but Des’ree is my girl too. If it's true Beyonce didn't have permission then she owes Des'ree so just pay the lady, no need to go to court and fight for something that wasn't yours to begin with.... what Beyonce did wasn't a coincidence it's stealing and she should know better.
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soulmusic101
Comment: My former roomie knew that I was a big Jay Z head (also liked the beat's that Swizz Beat's, Kanye, Pharrell, Timbaland, and Just Blaze fed J) and played a track that proved J loved to bite Biggie's verse's and pretend that it came off the dome. Now he may be teaching B to rip off something that she is not willing to pay for. Although "Independent Woman" was a good message...it actually sucked. The 2nt Destiny's Child CD was cool because Rodney Jerkin's and the lady from Xscape helped shape the sound. Once B found out how much money was involved she beame like the late 90's Michael Jackson and made sure his name was on every track ("Earth Song", remember that classic ditty...lol). In other word's became greedy instead of letting everyone share in the wealth and looking for the best track's. I hope that peep's weren't suckered into buying the deluxe package of B'Day. ***sarcasm on If you were Plan C from Poppa Knowles is to get you to buy the much needed "Live" version of B'Day and "Independent Woman"***sarcasm off
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Angel
Comment: This heffa is a thief! I'm outraged!!! MUSB, where you at! I have lost all respect for your girl. LOL. OK, not really. Anyway, I love me some Des'ree *singing* "Listen as your day unfolds, challenge what the future holds,
try and keep your head up to the sky-yy-yyy. Lovers, they may cause you tears, go ahead release your fears,
stand up and be counted and don't be ashamed to cry. You gotta be, you gotta be bad, you gotta be bold, you gotta be wiser, you gotta be hard, you gotta be tough, you gotta be stronger. You gotta be cool, you gotta be calm, you gotta stay together. All I know, all I know, love will save the day!!!!"
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DCGG
Comment: Big surprise here, this talentless whore constantly copies and repackages erybodies shyt azz her own...but Desiree a damn fool for only suing her azz for 150K!?!?!
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Angel
Comment: Des'ree help me through some tough times in the '90s. Very positive sista!!!
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MOTHERSHIP
Comment: Ne-Yo did indeed write "Irreplaceable."
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soulmusic101
Comment: Angel that was a cool song...now Des'ree can pay some bill's or pay off that mortage. What was rich as hell Beyonce thinking? I didn't know that Ne-Yo didn't get paid for writing Irreplaceable...if this is true take B to court for 1 million, court fee's, and a percentage of all CD's, ringtone's, radio, and single's sale.
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McNasty
Comment: On an interview right at the time irreplaceable was being released the vejay said ne-yo wrote it. The fact that there wasn't anything written or signed that keeps him from telling it makes the knowles clan look greedy.
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Stuckinthe70s
Comment: What a total rip-off!! Des'ree, you are selling yourself short!! I would definitely ask for more that 150K!!
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musbdherbs
Comment: lol...Angel..you know I've read this story already..lolol If this is as it seems, she should just pay the 150k and be done w/it. But damn, 150k is all she's asking for? That's uhm..interesting. Maybe there's more to the story....TBC
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musbdherbs
Comment: BTW...never really been a Des'ree fan. Was she an opera singer at some point? ugh
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khufu
Comment: who is heck is managing/agenting/couneling/advising these people?
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soulmusic101
Comment: The only other thing to this story is B ripped off another Sister point blank...is this the 1st time? Well she wanted to be Diana Ross..didn't she. "For The Love Of Money" by The O'Jay's is an approiate (sic) track.
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AquaBoogie
Comment: I'm gonna need Des'ree version for my iTunes, with the quickness. And DCGG, as I scrolled down the page, I worried that you wouldn't show up and offer your usual eloquent commentary -- but you didn't disappoint! LOL
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nycGYRL888
Comment: As much of a fan of Bey's as I am...wrong is wrong! If she did in fact take without permission, she should pay her what she is asking for plus all her court and attourney fees. Again, wrong is wrong no matter how you dress it up.
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detroitgee
Comment: Wow sounds like Bey is loosing her fan base.
I was never a fan. She's a good song stylist not a singer. I hate to hear her yoddel through a song.
Those wet dripping - I need to be sexy -- videos are getting tired.
Where is her crew to tell her to ease up? This business of music will turn on you in the quickness. Not to mention fans.
Her appeal was her orginality - no one was doing what she did. She took the girl group to a different level. Seems like she got to the level and stepped off the platform.
Get a grip girl. Time to move on.
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detroitgee
Comment: One more thing. This scandalous behavior will never touch Bey or Mommy and Daddy. Some underling - maybe the makeup guy -- will get blamed and fired.
I bet the family will fake ignorance and try to move on.
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Mas90
Comment: First of all, I think it was a publicity stunt on Bey. They went through with it to get more word out on the album which re-debut at #1 on the R&B charts. Controversy stirs monetray, funds. In the music business you know you have to get rights to do others work. The 150K is low most likely cause Desree hopes the punative damages will equal out the balance. All you have to do is watch Peoples Court. The video sucks by the way.
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CandyCane
Comment: That's messed up, Beyonce always takes credit for something she didn't do. She claimed she wrote Listen, but she didn't. She claimed she wrote Irreplacable, but Neyo did. That's one flaw she has got to get rid, because she can't be putting her name on everything
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nightshift
Comment: DesRee: Caaaaaching !!
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Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: >Angel- Dang girl!! You gonna make me dig through my stacks of old CDs until I find Des-ree!!! I LOVED her back in the day. She fell off though. Does anyone know if she's done any thing recently? By the way, I can't believe she is only asking for 150K. She deserves so much more. She should ask for a MINIMUM of seven figures.
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Shortey71
Comment: I can't stand Hip Hop music. What happpened to the R&B / Soul? I'm sorry but I'm from the 70's and that was real music. I"ll take Chaka, Gladys the late Ms. Rippleton any day over Beyonce, Ciara or even Fantasia. Now don't get me wrong, I do like some of the other artist like India, Jill and Eryka, they know about Classic Soul music and are not trying to be all hip hop. I especially like my girl Alicia, she has it going on, but Beyonce??? she is sooooooooooo over rated.
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Teigh
Comment: thatlilboy>as I'm sure you know the term is called ghost writing, Nas does a lot of ghost writing (Pop rap) doesn't want his hame on it -- would diminish his street cred) and Puffy's last album was mostly ghost written by Pharoah Moanch (didn't get that last name right). Nee-yo was probably so desperate to get into the game that he took the short money -- if Beyonce took full writing credit after paying him then she got the long money. Telling folks after the fact doesn't mean much other than you got ripped off by the very people who are so called promoting you. I liked Kanye the producer, but notice after he signed with Def Jam and did all that production work for Jay -- soon after he neogitated a deal for himself at Sony. Jay didn't want to sign Kanye, and in fact he didn't. Damon Dash signed Kanye, and I am no fan of Damon but Damon was the "business" head in that partnership.
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Teigh
Comment: And that video does suck but as somneone said "she looks good" -- seems like Beyonce is capitalizing on her body not her talent, or is that her talent? (I think it's becoming a valid question). Beyonce has shown us that she too can be a "video vixen" -- this video is more of the same.
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MOTHERSHIP
Comment: Nas, Kanye and KRS-One have a tight song out to commemorate the 25th anniversary of air force ones. It's called "I'm Classic" or something to that effect. Tight song.
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MOTHERSHIP
Comment: I too was hoping that B would stop crawling on the floor and change her game. This came to mind when she did the video for "Freakum Dress." I saw her crawlin' thorough those legs and I said lawd, not again! Get up off the floor already!!
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indipindintthnkr
Comment: Speaking of unoriginality.....I finally heard Neyo new song featuring JHud yesterday. I like it but at the beginning of the song, to me JHud sounds a lot like Beyonce. And....the beat is a throwback of one of Smokey Robinson and the Miricles (sp) 60 circa songs. Who they foolin?
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nycmckoy
Comment: This comes as no surprise. Most of the performers these days steal and change things here and there. Has anyone really given us anything new lately. Just about every song has a sample or a melody similar to a back in the day jam. In this case she just took the song. I think desiree should get more money, but by suing for less I take her as a person who is upset by the artistic part, not someone trying to get paid. I think that is refreshing. I hope the judge sticks it to Bey Bey and gives desiree a lot more than she is asking for.
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nycGYRL888
Comment: The article actually does say she is seeking AT LEAST $150,000 in damages. Doesn't mean she is not suing for more.
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MzTee
Comment: I wasn't a big fan of Des'ree's and certainly ain't a fan of Bey's; but wrong is wrong. If Bey stole old girl's song, Des'ree should get paid. And 150K ain't nothing, but I'm sure more will be tacked on later when this is all settled.
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Southernbelle
Comment: Foul move Bey. Music writers had better wise up to her antics and have their business in order up front. This chick is really selling herself short by suing for this amount. This cd made a lot of money. You sue marginal artists for this amount. This is pocket change for Beyonce.
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Teigh
Comment: It's not a blantant theft, in most cases you do not need permission to "cover" someone's song. Acceptable changes would be to substitute "he" for "her" or "I" for "we". Now when you start changing lyrics that's a completely different game. (c) laws in the UK are very different from the US but when you sign a publishing deal, the songwriter has the option to indicate if/when you need to seek permission to expolit their song. This is why I personally don't bootleg -- it's their lifework especially a songwriter. Imagine if you worked all week and then didn't get paid beacuse Pookie bootlegged your check.
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jlove
Comment: All I have to say is WOW!
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Name:
WordUp
Comment: Something tells me that Beyonce and crew is gonna be shocked as hell when the verdict comes in. Whoever influenced Beyonce to go that far made a big mistake, at the expense of Beyonce. This will probably cause her and Jay to fall out because it will not be his pocket outta millions!
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MOTHERSHIP
Comment: CTFU @ Teigh. I don't bootleg either. Too much work went into the product, especially with regard to our brothers and sisters. They ought be paid for their efforts.
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Shortey71
Comment: Obviously there aren't any lawyers involved yet. Beyonce better hurry up and pay the $150K before the lawyers get wind of this. It can very well jump from $150K to $15M if they were to get involved.
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adifferentpath
Comment: Teigh, that's a good point! Oh! lemme take this cd out the burner and put another one in, hold on...
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Name:
LAKat
Comment: "TRI-FI-LIN...Good for nothin' type of sista"...OOps! Did I just make a new song too?...LOL
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BigBlackRod
Comment: You must don't know bout B, you must not know bout B...PEACE.
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Name:
BigBlackRod
Comment: "I can't stand Hip Hop music. What happpened to the R&B / Soul? I'm sorry but I'm from the 70's and that was real music. I"ll take Chaka, Gladys the late Ms. Rippleton any day over Beyonce, Ciara or even Fantasia...."
Dawg, check out Amy Winehouse; she has a great voice, and the production is kickin'! If she manages to shake her demons, she could be the Next Big Thang...PEACE.
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MOTHERSHIP
Comment: And besides, them rotten azzed bootleg CD's don't do nothin' but fucck up your laser inside your CD player.
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Name:
Shortey71
Comment: BigBlackRod, what's up with the mocking??? Are you starting something with me??? I don't think that you want too do that..........PEACE to you to brah....
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fairydust777
Comment: This was blatant stealing. I have never heard of Des'ree until I read it here on EURweb. But after listening to both the original and Beyonce's, it's clear Beyonce stole that song. She didn't change much as far as the melody goes and my ears cringed when Beyonce got to the point about them making love, etc.. just awful.
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Angel
Comment: Shortey - Calm down. I think BBR repeated your comment so you'd know exactly what he meant by saying "Dawg, check out Amy Winehouse; she has a great voice, and the production is kickin'! If she manages to shake her demons, she could be the Next Big Thang...PEACE". Anyway, MUSB don't be talking bad about Des'ree or it's really gonna be on!LOL
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Shortey71
Comment: My bad BigBlackRod, I am just havin' a negative day going from meeting to meeting. Sorry....but I will check out Any Winehouse. I don't think I've heard her yet. Peace out Peeps!
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Teigh
Comment: Amy Winehouse is ALL that, and I don't know about shaking her demons...old girl is 22 years old. She drinks, who doesn't drink at that age. She made her first record Frank, which was really jazzy (fyi, she sounds like Etta James to me -- not Billie Holliday as many have said) and her man dumped her between releasing "Frank" and her new release. I've seen her perform three times in NYC and girlfriend drinks Jack Daniels & lemonade throughout her set. Her band is easily 8+ members, live instruments and I have to say Salaam Remi (Producer) & Mark Ronson made some serious noise with this one. Oh yeah, she's British and white but SO WHAT! She has spunk and can sing Beyonce under the floor. She has a myspace page myspace.com/AmyWinehouse and a website www.amywinehouse.com. She sells out in 5 minutes but it's a must see show if she comes to your town.
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Name:
jazzfan
Comment: "You gotta be, you gotta be, you gotta be HONEST..."
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Name:
fuzzygoss
Comment: ByawnSay is over and done with and her camp knows they probably stole their last song. ByawnSay has always been overrated and too much hype for my taste. The video is a pathetic attempt to advertise that House of Done Wrong crap clothing line. >>>I wouldn't be surprised if this is YET ANOTHER ploy to sell records b/c her sales are lagging.>>>She's over. Time for Alicia, JHud to come out and Deborah Cox and blow ByawnSay's weave off!
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Name:
Stophatin129
Comment: OK....This is what I honestly think. Beyonce has been in this business TOOOO LOOONNNGGG!Trust and believe artist do not deal with each other ONE on ONE. Their attorneys, met, attemtped to negociate and guess what Beyonce's attorneys pretty much told her to move forward and mis-guided their client. The industry does not work like that as far as the artist hitting u up on your cell to discuss major stuff like that. As far as the law suit...If she even negocitaed anything to do with Bee regarding that song or video....TRUST ME Sony's attorneys will find a loop hole. As far as Irreplacable.....Neyo is Jay-z's artist and trust me he got paid for co-writting the song...and NEYO has stated in the press and on every TV show he goes to that Beyonce CO-WROTE THE SONG....I mean do you people listen or you just look for crap to shi* start! Neyo pretty much writes for every one. In the industry even if you write one little OOHH- AAAH-Lala...you can get credit as a c-writter and NEYO AND BEE both know that. Beyonce does write the majority or co-write the majority of her songs...No one else has battled her over that ever in the 10 years she has been out. So for folks to take away her 10 year success is so stupid. I am sure if it was that serious Deseree' would ask for 20 million not 150k keep that shi* real!!!! Their must be another side to this story...But again the press knows what sells and it ain't that Beyonce is a successfull black female artist doin the dam* thing...why? Cause no one would be on this site! Y'all have too much self hatred...I need more evidence before i judge. The attack on Bee is so silly..Mary, Ciara EVERONE does a REMAKE REMIX ETC....but when it is Beyonce the rules change STOP HATIN! The girls version was HOTTT....Deseree should be happy that some on e is even re-listening to her OPERA VERSION! Bee did it justice.....KEEP IT REAL!
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Name:
SoBayish
Comment: It's like when Dre did Addictive for Truth Hurts and it turned out to be a sample of a song made by "The INDIAN version of Whitney Houston." Why do they think that the ARTIST won't find out?? It just amazes me that they could be so ignorant. AND what's up w/ Des'ree not suing for more money??? Does she have self worth issues???
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Name:
ForrestGump
Comment: Stophatin129:
Music Publishing 101... Writing credits are negotiated and divvied up according to contribution. Usually, the "ooh ahh" writers ONLY get credit when they're a star and want/need lazy people to believe they can really write. It doesn't take six people to write a damn song. By far, the majority of TRUE collaborations have one musician and one writer/singer. Of course, there are true songwriting pairs (Lennon/McCartney, Ashford/Simpson), but given Ne-Yo's other writing credits, does anybody really think he needed Bey to help him on that song. It doesn't sound like anything else on the album and was the ONLY absolute smash. The Academy Awards knew better than to go for the okeydoke (same as they did with Babyface on Prince of Egypt BTW).
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Name:
moonbeams
Comment: Des'ree didn't catch on as big in the USA after You Gotta Be, but she has done quite well for herself in Europe. She's had several albums and succesful singles.
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