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Name: tightendsport
Comment: You know, I'm tired of our men degrading us for a laugh. Black men really need to embrace our beauty (especially since the rest of the world is dying to be like us--our full lips and butts). Yet Black men comedians are always talking about our weaves, and dressing up like fat, black women and shyt. I'm just toxic. Can we get some damn love up in here? He's sitting up there with locks in his hair (which I embrace) but yet he wants to spew vitriol about me and mine??!!
Name: Brandon
Comment: I agree with D.L. Hughley -- we're allowing ourselves to become too "super sensitive". We, Black folks, have become no better than George Bush publicly criticizing those whose opinions and views don't agree with ours. Even if we don't agree or support another person's views, they are allowed to express themselves without us starting an uproar. It's political correctness run amok!
Name: nightshift
Comment: Brandon I concur with the sensitivity. But the joke was funny - too bad it is at another's expense. Maybe that's what makes it funny-
Name: SoopDawwg
Comment: So this is what so-called black leaders are concerned with? These fools need to stop grandstanding. I'm waiting for the protest and outrage for Monique calling women %*$!(es...oh that's right it was just "jokes".
Name: ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: I don't agree with calling any body out of there names or degrading them. However, I don't know why these "leaders" are targeting D.L when several AA male AND female comedians have been doing this for years! Now let's get back to the issues at hand, affordable health care & insurance for all, equal lending, increasing home ownership, building wealth in the black home and community, strengthening our schools, increasing the number of black males attending college and universities.
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: Some of you do not realize the license you give others to denigrate Black women in particular. You have no idea nor do you care what we must suffer when you are not around because of your lack of community. It almost makes me despise some of you because of your abject ignorance. A day will come when you'll wish you at least "tried" to have a modicum of understanding for what we endure. DOWN with DL Hughley...I'll be sure to never support anything he's involved in. Stupid coon! It's like some of your are orgasmic when you sit in front of the white man debasing black women. None of it will be forgotten and you have no idea how it kills something inside of Black women to know our men aren't like other "real" men. It seems the goal is to place Black women in harm's way every chance they get. It's hard to even look at some of you at times.
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...Fucc DL, true that sh1t was funny but it was said in the wrong forum...As for me, I luvs some Black wimmen...Ya gets a whole lotta luv from me...I love those big, full lips, those butts and those hips...When I lay me down to pray I thank God for ya every day...I luvs ya hair natural or straight...I luv it when ya go in the kitchen and "fix" me a plate...I luv watching ya walk...Sometimes I'll tune ya out when ya do that sistah girl talk...I luvs the many different colors of you from paper bag brown to sweet honeydew all the way to dark chocolate cashew...
Name: McNasty
Comment: There is a time and a place for everything and DL missed his mark. I don't abide cooning for white folks but had it been in the comedy club - we would never have heard about it. Boot, thanks I think - see, I was thrown off by that 'fix' you a plate jazz.lol
Name: Selah
Comment: Please go to http://www.nbc5i.com/news/13516728/detail.html and see the grandstanding by the protestors. I think they have footage of some dope being kicked out of the show. To each his own, however I see someone with misguided efforts. They sound foolish to me.
Name: MDhornet
Comment: I mentioned this on one of the boards before. I saw him on Jay Leno and he was the first person who made me give a second thought to the Imus situation. Although I still agree that the Imus joke was in bad taste, I agree with him that it was a freedom of speech issue. Al Roker recently made a joke that was in very bad taste. Where is the uproar from the black community or is it only offensive if we deem it so. From the beginning, I felt like the Sharptons and others just used the Imus situation as a platform to get their face back in the public eye. Black folk need to calm down and deal with real problems instead of always jumping on the latest bandwagon. I am a person who is open-minded enough to listen to differing viewpoints and yet hold my own. If a viewpoint is presented which helps me to see things differently, I'm big enough to say I might have misjudged a situation. There are too many of y'all self-appointed keepers of the black flame out there who see black one way and one way only and y'all are the ones making us look like fools not people like DL Hughley.
Name: barnone
Comment: it's so interesting 2 c how clueless we can b often times. we as a people have fallen so low we can't even discern properly. we don't know how 2 recognize entertainment, comedy, political correctness and yes self-degradation. we have become so blind, deaf and dumb we don't even c that NO other ethnic group so openly and publicly denegrates themselves as we do. u've never heard seinfeld or any other mainstream yt male comedian come on an international forum and refer 2 their female counterparts n such degrading terms. brothas need 2 begin 2 ask themselves why? why is it the only joke they can tell is at the expense of their female counterparts. and lastly we need 2 learn the difference between being political correct and showing some damn decency.
Name: MDhornet
Comment: LOL at Boot. MelodyCool, what in the he11 are you talking about. Comments like yours are the reason I sometimes avoid these boards. Some of y'all spout the most annoying bull. What is it you suffer. I for one don't get called out of my name by anybody. I carry myself like a lady and I get treated like one. I've worked with women who allowed themselves to be called b1tch and h0 and didn't seem to mind. I've worked with women who allowed men to manhandle them in front of other people. I assume they didn't mind because they'd laugh and answer to the call. A man wouldn't dare do that to me because my demeanor makes it clear that while I enjoy a good laugh, there's a line that better not be crossed. So what suffering are you talking about. What do you mean by our men not being "real" men. What are you talking about? Help me understand.
Name: MDhornet
Comment: Here's what one of the ministers said: "This gentleman here [Hughley] is degrading our black women -- calling our black women the ugliest women he has ever seen," Tatum said to Sanders." When did he say that? See, folk up in arms and don't even know why.
Name: YLawdY
Comment: They should be protesting because DL is NOT funny at anytime.
Name: archcookies
Comment: I have never found DL Hughley funny, he reminds me of guys on the corner that verbally abused other guys to make themselves look good. Black comedians have this thing of going into the audience and trashing somebody, that to me is not entertainment. My distain for him is so great you couldn't give me a ticket to any of his concerts and I refuse to watch any show he is a part of. I've felt like that from day one with DL Ugly.
Name: NYCsoul
Comment: Black people can protest anything they want. Why do we have to protest ONLY so-called 'revelant' issues? If there are folks out there who feels there is something worth speaking out, whether we like it or not, let them. They are entitled to free speech just like DL Hughley's unfunny joke. It's interesting that he would joke that these women were 'nappyheaded' yet he has dreads! And the last time I checked his wife wasn't exactly a beauty queen. The bigger issue for me is why do go along and support medicrocity, especially when it's at black women's expense? As much as Richard Pryor cussed, he never deingrated black women. It seems like anything goes nowadays in the name of 'comedy'.
Name: sdedee
Comment: You gets your amen on dl not being funny. I dont understand how he got a break, but thats my opinion. How one carries themselves has a lot to do with how you are treated on an individual basis but as a community, the af am female is a joke or someone to pity for those outside looking in. Some of you may not want to admit this but it is the truth. Look at how we are portrayed most often: mammies, whores, loud and ghetto, pretty yet promiscious, successful-mad-manless, abused, taken advantage of. There are very few postive images of the af am women. And again, this is based on my observations and life experience!
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...Dayum, you Black women got it rough...first ya gotta deal with DL brothas now ya gotta deal with DL Hughley...
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: each morning when I arrive at work, one of the security staff (AA brother) greets me by saying "good morning, my queen" and the greeting resonates throughout my day . . . BOOT and ChocolateBrown speak to essential truths that encourage us as they encourage themselves . . . thank you very much
Name: DOne
Comment: Although I didn't jump on the Imus bang wagon, This is not nor never was a freedom of speech issue. The fact the people continue to bring up freedom of speech simply show that they were obviously not paying attention in their Social Studies classes. The constitution states that the GOVERNMENT does not have the right to limit freedom of speech. That right does not extend to the work place or any privately owned property. No one has an right to say what they want on the radio, comedy club, etc. The owners determine that and since the owners are interested in profit, they have the right to prohibit any thing that they feel will hurt their bottom line. Now, the only people who are exercising from of speech are the protesters because you have the right to march on the sidewalk and protest whatever you desire without the government hauling you away. I can respect that people have different views on the issue, but please stop hollaring about freedom of speech because no one freedom of speech is being taken away
Name: Grace
Comment: White people are nappy headed too. They don't call themselves nappy. They say they have coarse hair. Why do you think they come out with all those shampoos and conditioners giving their hair that shine? It's because they're nappy headed.
Name: yunvme
Comment: I never liked him and was never a fan. That was until I started seeing him on Bill Mahres show. DL is smart, down to earth and really a funny dude. Whats the problem with what he said? Now you cant say the U word (ugly)?
Name: MOTHERSHIP
Comment: DL has the unmitigated gall to call somebody ugly. Does the same apply to his momma? His sister? His wife? Seems to me that niggahs go get two cents over their lunch money always want to be down with whatever is detremental to their own. I never could stand this sommmbytch. Neither Imus nor this ignan't niggah yeah, niggah, he's a perfect example of one, has the right to call these women out of their names when all they were trying to to is maintain and move forward. I hear ya DOne!
Name: oshun
Comment: Name: MelodyCool Comment: "Some of you do not realize the license you give others to denigrate Black women in particular. You have no idea nor do you care what we must suffer when you are not around because of your lack of community. It almost makes me despise some of you because of your abject ignorance. A day will come when you'll wish you at least "tried" to have a modicum of understanding for what we endure. DOWN with DL Hughley...I'll be sure to never support anything he's involved in. Stupid coon! It's like some of your are orgasmic when you sit in front of the white man debasing black women. None of it will be forgotten and you have no idea how it kills something inside of Black women to know our men aren't like other "real" men. It seems the goal is to place Black women in harm's way every chance they get. It's hard to even look at some of you at times." That's hard to take, but I have to admit it had to be said, Melody. No one but black women can understand how much and how deeply comments like that hurt. How many of us reverted back to elementary school upon hearing that comment, and remembered teasing by classmates over "african" features? One has to ask D.L.: what made the women ugly to him? and why? I am really disappointed in him.
Name: FiveMore
Comment: dl hugley is a clueless jerk that is only interested in making a dang dollar!Some of these fools(ChrisRock does this crap, too)will say little slick/sick crap, so the massa will laugh at them and pat their heads!You know the sad part about this situation is that DL doesn't really understand the soul's of black women.Why are we put out on the firing line each and everytime?The sadness of it all.....Boot>aww thanx!That was cute little poem about black sistas!You know I expect this from ignorant azz Amos,but I guess the "brothers" have to joke about it as well.***Triple*sigh***
Name: barnone
Comment: sdedee> co-sign...the prob is we as a whole don't think on a global scale. people w/ dl hughley's mentality don't overstand how derogatory comments he makes about blk women affect me a black woman living n israel, interacting w/ yt men who's only interaction or knowledge of a blk woman prior 2 me is what the c on the tel-I-vision. people like him don't realize the socio-political affects of their actions. case n point. israel is still very behind as it relates 2 blacks n the field of entertainment and basically everything else, corporate community, etc. anywho, we don't get AA films over here. so i'm driving down a main st. n tel aviv and what do i c advertised on a 20 ft billboard....eddie murphy's movie where he's dressed as a fat black woman. now i wouldn't have so much of a prob if pursuit of happiness, last king of scottland or even dreamgirls was also being shown n theatres, but this wasn't the case. so again the only image or perception that israelis get of us is negative and degrading. coincidence? i don't believe n them.
Name: Gurlfrand
Comment: I agree with you Y - I have never thought DL was funny - ever....
Name: mseffy
Comment: Totally agree w/MD Hornet and HarrisThomas. We must be cut from the same cloth. I like DL Hugley sometimes, thou as one poster said, I don't always think he's funny. I find myself wondering what he's working on that needs the attention his remark has garnered? Can you really take a man seriously when he wears that 'hair'? And before you guys e-jump me, I've got nothing against the hairstyle, but it does position him for being the target of a number of 'jokes' himself, no?
Name: Grace
Comment: to: barnone] 10 days ago I watched the Asian Awards. The jokes they did about themselves I found offensive. Even though your more concern about African Americans, I just wanted to inform you that other ethnic groups do it too. Also I cracked up laughing when D. L. Hughley said that Don Imus looked like a werewolf that didn't finish changing. I think the Jay Leno incident occured last month. And it's been on You Tube ever since.
Name: FiveMore
Comment: barnone>Those media images are powerful entities that carry alot of weight around the world!Y'all know Viacom is being broadcast way over in Asia now,and I've noticed that the most violent pictures are on BET,so the Asians can form a negative image of blacks!Image is evrything!
Name: beboyz
Comment: DL Is self admitted to not be smart. He needs to go sit his dyslexic azzz down somewhere.
Name: MDhornet
Comment: I gotta remember to call my momma today and thank her for instilling good self-esteem and pride in me because I'd hate to be like some of y'all and be hurt by every negative thing I hear said about black women. I've always believe that the best way to change folks opinions is to be a better example than what they're used to. I also believe that some folk will never change their minds about who we are so no use in bothering. I repeat. Black folk need to calm down. It's damned embarassing to see us go up in arms PUBLICLY about every little thing.
Name: barnone
Comment: grace> if i may point out the obvious...u wrote u watched the Asian Awards. key words Asian Awards. i'm sure those same jokes wouldn't b told at the golden globes or 2 a yt audience. sure u might have seeen it but it's not the same as jackie chen going on the daily show and saying he thinks asian women smell funny.
Name: bobbob30095
Comment: fucc DL Ugly he is a has been trying to get 15 more minutes of fame look at the time we are giving his punk azz he needs to sit down somewhere and be still. Blcak men kill me degrading our Black sister for a fuccin laugh.
Name: infofan1960
Comment: I agree with soop. Come to think of it, why doesn't anyone protest about Mo'Nique constantly calling skinny women *ithces? Is it because she comes across as a bully? Hughley isn't a sister, so he will never understand the pressure, the pain, the money spent and the disappointment we have felt, trying to get that straight hair. HE SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID THE JOKE. WITH FREEDOM OF SPEECH COMES ACCOUNTABILITY & RESPONSIBILITY.
Name: yunvme
Comment: why do black women think its always about them? You think the world does this and does that to you. Do you have any idea of what its like to be a man in todays world? Stop it please its getting tired.
Name: infofan1960
Comment: Sisters are the ones who have to endure the pressure of fitting into the European standard of beauty. How many times do you see sisters on any television show, especially when it's mainstream, with their hair in it's natural state? VERY SELDOM AND NEVER. Brothers aren't told they aren't beautiful because their hair is nappy. Sisters are. If they weren't, they wouldn't spend so much time giving their money to beauty shops buying weaves, and getting perms all the time.
Name: yunvme
Comment: when are you going to learn to love yourselves? Who cares about nappy headed hoes and b1tches. Especially if you aint one? Who cares about ignant comments from someone standing outside of a store when you walk in? Who cares about songs? Who cares about movies? It seems you care more about those things and what others "may" think than you spend time working on and thinking about yourself.
Name: FiveMore
Comment: At one point in history, the black man(some not all) used to come home and beat his frustrations out of his "long suffering" wife!I don't know if blackmen still behave this way,but some use too!yunvme<I understand that black guys have caught hell for centuries,but so have we!We are all suppose to be in this struggle together-at least I thought we were.I guess not because it is a dog eat dog world out here!**sigh again**
Name: DCGG
Comment: The fact that this bytch went on Jay Leno and said this shyt was pathetic mutha-fuvk DL Hughley...I ain't never liked his nappy headed azz anyway...why couldn't he talk about these trifaling azz men, oh yeah he's one of them...
Name: dcdouglass01
Comment: MelodCool said, "...It's hard to even look at some of you at times..." As a Black male, believe me, I know. That attitude has been pushed back in my face enough by total strangers to the point that I stopped asking myself a long time ago, "What the f*ck did I do to her?" And the results of that kind of back and forth has resulted in the state Black male/female relations are in now. As far as DL goes, he took the joke too far. If he wanted to make the "nappy headed" portion of the joke, cool. But given that the forum was national TV, he should have immediately followed it up with, "But so am I, and so are a lot of other beautiful people around the world." Calling them ugly on national TV went too far though.
Name: yunvme
Comment: Get yourselves together PLEASE and stop the b1tchin, complainin and moanin. Dayum. You want to wear your hair nappy then fine. You want to be fat fine. You want to be natural fine. Do YOU. Those that like it/you for it... good for them. Them that dont- shake them off. The world owes you nothing.
Name: browntwo
Comment: I read a few comments on here about DL "hair". Do some of you on here have a problem with "Dreads". Or are y'all just showing your ignorance by not knowing anything about them?
Name: infofan1960
Comment: Wow! DCGG & DCDouglass01 have made my day!
Name: amethyst
Comment: I have been a DL Hughley fan for years. My fanship is now cancelled because I am disgusted that he would dog out the Rutgers women to get a laugh. I felt the same way about Imus' comments: they were offensive because they were directed at a specific group who are not involved with him at all. It is a bit different to crack on groups in general, celebs, or high profile figures; it's not personal. To ridicule and disrespect a group of high-achieving women who have not done anything derogatory to these comedians or anyone else is not acceptable. Rather than receive attention for having an excellent basketball season, these women are in the public eye because some inconsiderate men have disrespected them. And the Tennessee women were short-changed and didn't get sufficient coverage of their victory because of all of the Imus outrage. To me, DL's stunt is similar to Michael Richards lashing out at the people in that club. Some of the posters' comments about comedy in general lead me to pay more attention to the comedians I listen to in the future.
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: People, people, people, I sense the love escaping from up in here...Why can't we live together?....Everybody has to live together why can't we live together?...No matter, no matter what hair style I love yo sistah style...Now can one of you beautiful fine azz Black women run in the kitchen and fix me a plate...I'm hongry....
Name: FiveMore
Comment: browntwo>You know the black community has some serious hair issues!Being reared in the South is no joke.The Good hair and Bad hair stupidity is growing strong here.Color complex issues are still felt here and maybe around the country as well.The DARK skin vs.LIGHT skin madness must stop.Blacks have some serious issues that need to be resolved quickly.
Name: FiveMore
Comment: ha!ha!ha!@Boot you's a fool,man!Ilove the comedy!
Name: dcdouglass01
Comment: Will somebody please fix Boot a hot plate? Let me guess...green beans, potatos and gravy, fried fish, chittlins...wait a minute, I done went too far now, cause Boot, I don't think you know nothin' 'bout no chittlins.
Name: whynotme
Comment: --->yunvme shut your dumb azz up! you just want somebody to go back and forth with you.....F*CK OFF AZZHOLE!!
Name: infofan1960
Comment: SO TRUE FiveMore! SO TRUE! Try growing up in Louisiana or living in Tennessee or Arkansas. I'm so glad I'm happy to be dark and nappy!
Name: yunvme
Comment: a perfect example of someone who's WHOLE life is about being a victim. You shut up.
Name: VeeCee
Comment: Oh please!!! With his brillo-pad head looking self, he's definitely the pot calling the kettle black!!! Shut up, DLH!!!
Name: Train
Comment: What the hell was D.L. thinking? Apparently he wasn't or he wouldn't have made that ignorant azz comment. I love my sisthas to death. I'm the product of one and I'm married to one so D.L. better take his no funny azz and go the barber to fix his nappy head. Look like Ray Charles cut his hair the last time I saw. Don't worry to all of you good sistahs out there I'm here to hold it down for you.
Name: yunvme
Comment: ....and those comments from someone called "whynotme". Do you have to ask why not you? Its kind of obvious. I guess thats why you had a problem with me asking folks to accept and love themselves. YOU CLEARLY DONT.
Name: infofan1960
Comment: Big up to you Train! Thanks for sticking up!
Name: Renetta
Comment: He’s a loser. Some people will do anything to pander to white folks. Just gives them more ammo ‘See, their own people call them UGLY and NAPPY HEADED.’ What the f was hugley thinking. Yes my brother you have freedom of speech, and I have freedom to NEVER PURCHASE ANYTHING YOU SELL.
Name: Mas90
Comment: Whatever! Some of you need to STFU! Cause Richard Pryor degrading all blacks by calling us ni99er. Remember.... "da da daaaaaa SUPER NI99ER!" from his 70's comedy recording. Supa Ni99er was Superman but black. There is a fine line between entertainment and realness I admit. DL was going for laughs. Imus was too but because he was white it cause an uproar.
Name: Train
Comment: D.L. should use the freedom to boycott his barber.
Name: whatdat
Comment: "I believe that freedom of speech is a zero-sum proposition." Okay mister tough arse, on your next tv appearance tell some hymie (kike) jokes about Jewish women. Remember punk "zero-sum".
Name: infofan1960
Comment: Oh snap That was a good point whatdat. I'd like to see ANYONE counterpoint THAT.
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...(Taking out my black-book)...blahzey, blahzey, blah, fucc DL...I love Black women of all flavors...fucc DL, Imma hold it down, blahzey, blahzey, blah...Now can a brotha get a few numbers up in heah...Oh yeah, the he11 with DL...
Name: Timolyn
Comment: I have not read but a couple of the comments thus far, but anybody knows D.L. Hughley, Steve Harvey, Chris Rock etc. they are going to say what's on their minds. Now all of you know if we were sitting at a one of the above show and they said was DL said in their acts everyone would have laughed and you know this. I was shock to see 62 hits at 11am.....y'all keep it up 200 hits by 1pm.......lol
Name: ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: WhatDat....Excellent point, as usual!
Name: dcdouglass01
Comment: Mas90, Richard Pryor didn't spend a lot of time degrading people. He pointed out the funny (on Leon Spinks: "I ain't got no driver's licence...I ain't got no teef-es..."), but he didn't degrade. He also created a lot of characters out of thin air (Mudbone, talking animals, etc.). But for a nationally known comedian to simply call someone or some group ugly doesn't show much depth or creativity as an artist (third graders make such comments all the time), nor much maturity as a person.
Name: barnone
Comment: whatdat> pls talk about it. c some wanna make like it's all comedy. but i gurantee u his punk a$$ wouldn't breathe a word against jewish women. since he wants 2 b so damn funny talk about paris hilton's ugly, toothpick, no talent having, classless, bird nose hoeing a$$. let's not discriminate.
Name: barnone
Comment: dc> valid point...furthermore people always like 2 reflect on pryor's beginning years. i guess they forget that the man evolved. they forget about his trip 2 africa and what he said when he returned.
Name: FiveMore
Comment: Whatdat>You know Negroes willnever cross the jewish/hymie/matzaballjoke.They would spit in their own mamma's face, before they double-cross Mr.Jewish"CHALIE"!That aint gonna happen!shakin'my head in disgust!
Name: MDhornet
Comment: cosign with yunvme. Folk spend way too much time worrying about what white folk think. Who cares. On the hair thing, that's a different subject. Black women are programmed to hate their hair and enough don't have the courage to step out and just do them. I went natural when it wasn't cute and it wasn't popular and I didn't give a damn what people thought. I won't spend half my paycheck getting somebody else's hair sewn into mine. If people would learn to look inside and learn to embrace who the are in spite of what other people may think, then maybe we might be able to focuse on more important issues instead of this petty nonsense. By the way, some of the most beautiful women to me are the ones who learn to embrace who they are as black women. They embrace their hair, their hips, their butts, their lips and they FLAUNT it as if to say "I don't give a f%ck if you don't like it. I KNOW I look good."
Name: TGen
Comment: DCDouglas, your first comment was very well stated. Yunvme, you're right. I learned how intelligent DL was by seeing him on Bill Maher's show as well. And I'm confused at those who don't think he's funny. Years ago I saw him in a stand-up special and to this day I remember how hard I laughed, with him talking about the floor model tv and the small one on top of it growing up, lol. But I digress on that. One thing I never liked was his proclivity to pick out audience members and dog them. That never appealed to me, and neither do his VERY tasteless comments involving the Rutgers ladies.Personally I didn't see them with nappy hair, but I agree with one commenter who stated that if he had left his joke there, it would have been at least semi-okay, but to keep pushing to the "ugliness" part is just plain wrong, ill-timed (and placed, def. not in front of White folk who themselves were in shock), and just plain ignorant. I think it's tacky for anyone to call someone ugly, but ESPECIALLY if the person himself is no looker (DL). So I don't know about the protest thing, but I think if he had any class, an apology to the Rutgers ladies is in order. Poor ladies, so dogged out and all they ever did was just play basketball. Wow...
Name: jess
Comment: D.L. got exactly the reaction he was hoping for. He could give a damn who he degrades or insults as long as he gets his crumbs of publicity and a few bucks, which unfortunately is the mindset of many Blacks in the entertainment industry. Let's also remember that the majority of his stand-up routine is based on insulting the audience.
Name: FiveMore
Comment: MDHORNET>I loves me with my fine self,but I was reared in (the hostile to black women's nappy hair) Louisiana and my people were not very supportive of natural hair.I was deprogrammed in the early 90'S,so it may be difficult for those people,who still live by those "standards of beauty" to let the non-sense go!While getting my hair "straightened" as a nine year old child,my paternal Grandmother uttered these painful words to me,"That's the price we pay for being a N!GG@!" Now,, I understand what she meant by those words.The hair issues are run pretty deep,my people.
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: I used to love seein' D.L. on Comic View. Yeah, he used to rip into the audience and it cracked me up; like a Black Don Rickles. I still think he's funny n' I love seein' him on Bill Maher's show. I don't have as much of a problem with what he said as where he said it. Why'd he have to say it on The Tonight Show? Him callin' 'em ugly, hey, beauty's in the eye of the beholder, so I ain't mad at him. MELODYCOOL, ya lost me. "It's like some of ya'll are orgazmic when you sit in front of the white man debasing black women." You must know some bold white men, lol. I've never sat before a white man who said anything negative about black women or men for that matter. They usually save that mess for when we're not around.
Name: lurker23
Comment: Soooo, after wading through these posts, I haven't seen anyone say that the black women on the Rutgers basketball team are fine and should be walking down somebody's fasion runway. So is the problem that DL said they was ugly or that he said it on Jay Leno's show?? B/c I saw them on the court and after they were all cleaned up for their press conference, and fine they are not! Especially that sister named Essence!! LOL!!
Name: whatdat
Comment: MDhornet, you asked MelodyCool what the he11 she was talking about, but you should've asked that of yourself. I get the feeling you do not even know at whom you are casting dispersions. When you said you don't get called out your name because you carry yourself like a lady, the implication is that the Black women on Rutgers don't carry themselves as ladies, and, therefore, they have a least twice gotten called out because of it. Also you spewed, the best way to get people to change their opinion is to be a better example. Do you consider Senator Obama an upstanding example? Yet, several people disrisively refer to him as the "magic Negro". Matter of fact, you probably don't even realize that saying we need to be better puts the onus of racism on Black people. If being "better" was the problem, there would not be a plethora of high-achieving Black professionals that speak of the racism they still suffer. So what the he11 are you talking about.
Name: beegirl
Comment: I hope the Rutgers basketball team doesn't regret all of their success now. They are being judged by men on everything but their basketball skills. I really don't understand the point of bringing up what they look like. Just putting aside the global-scale or race arguments and looking at it more simply: These are young women with sensitivities who are being slammed from every which way for trying to bring glory to their school. They're just college kids. I wish everyone would leave them alone.
Name: ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: TGEN...The last line of your post should allow us to put all of this in its proper perspective ..."Poor ladies, so dogged out and all they ever did was just play basketball." Enuf said! Much respect to them for keeping their heads held high.
Name: yunvme
Comment: like I said. Now you cant say the U-word.
Name: FiveMore
Comment: lurker>that was a mean thing to say!!!
Name: beegirl
Comment: lurker23: This is how I see it. If someone wanted to judge a movie star or model on how they look, then fine. They are paid based on appearances. But a college student who plays basketball??? I really don't see the point. It just seems ridiculous and unnecessary. All the material the president gives comedians every day and DL still has to piggyback on somebody else's unfunny joke? Whatdat, you are so on point in your last post.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: DL has and will always be a DL Cornball
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: There are some ignorant African Americans and the worst kind is the ones the world can see.
Name: oldsoul
Comment: DL has made a career out of laughin' at his own sh*t to make it funny but it never quite seems to make it. Hey, I love my women, I love the way you look, your presence, your nappy/curly/straight/twisted hair, I love the way I can tell it's you when I listen, I love women - period. The woman is the essence of The Creator...ya'll are the consummate creators. I love creation. But this here is yet another example of DL talkin' out his a** and falling back on the freedom he has to say it, which he definitely has 100%. When does dude ever say anything of value? The answer doesn't matter but what matters to me is that we (most people, for that matter) don't understand the power of words. Speaking words forms realities when spoken often and intensive enough-- they wrote a whole book and made a movie off this simple truth and called it 'The Secret' [call it space-age pimpin, ask me]. But that's why "the pen is mightier than the sword", because it writes words. And another word that would serve us well to 'ban', remove from our vocabularies, is "ugly". Many may be un-attractive but no one is ugly...that's like the ultimate disrespect of The Unmanifested because we are the manifestations of It in every color, shape, height, weight and dimension. Anyway, I know on the surface it seems like I'm making a big deal out of nothing but watch your own words and see don't they translate directly to the way you feel.
Name: Dexbooty
Comment: LOL @ B00TANEB00TUS!!! youz CRAZAY!!! First, Sistas dealin' with DL brothas, now DL Hugley. You're right!!! ROTFLMBAO!!!
Name: FiveMore
Comment: oldsoul>loves it!!!!
Name: McNasty
Comment: Oldsoul, thank you! The fact is if we heard this more often we wouldn't hear what DL or anyone else says about black women. I'm not around black men that I'm willing to throw away or write off as I get the respect I deserve. Like MDHornet said, carry yourself in such a way as to make it impossible for them to think of you in any way other than QUEEN! Some shat just shouldn't rate all this attention.
Name: Fran
Comment: I would feel a little bit better about his comment, IF he had said, But look at my hair, its nappy! I mean some of us are nappy headed! Last I check that hair on his head is not curly locks of silk hair. And that is the problem, yunvme, he is talking as if he is not black, not nappy headed. He is talking as if he is white. And that is like "ole massa yuse right, dem negga sho nuff ugly!" says DL Hughley. Chill out on your own race. What Imus said was for racial purposes, duke and connecticut are white girl teams, why not say something about them.
Name: Fran
Comment: You have to be careful with white people. They look for blacks to validate their racial views. Realize when you are making a point or being a token stupid negga. DL, you are being a token stupid negga... and your shows still get cancelled for Seinfeld reruns. It does not pay to sell out.
Name: Dexbooty
Comment: LMAO @ BOOT...AGAIN!!! Now can one of you beautiful fine azz Black women run in the kitchen and fix me a plate...I'm hongry.... I'm laughin so hard, I'm cryin'!!! I'm a fine azz Black woman and I'd fix you a plate anytime!!!
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: Fran: What if D.L. DID say "But look at my hair..." and they edited it out?
Name: Train
Comment: What did those young ladies do to deserve such scorn??? What harm did D.L. get from them to have him badmouth them???
Name: Mas90
Comment: DL hughley won't call out hymie because the Jews run the entertainment business in LA. You either play the game to make big bucks or play your way and most likely struggle your way up or never achieve high status/cash. This business is full of play my way or the highway.
Name: Michele
Comment: Yes, Black women's hair (especially the hair) and features are constantly put down by others, but we also do it to ourselves. (i.e. "I need a touch up -- my roots are showing!"). I don't care what anybody says, I honestly don't find anything wrong with the hair God gave me, and nobody seems to have a problem with it either, at least not in my face. You can't tell me I'm not beautiful, because when I look in the mirror, I see a fine azz woman with some thick, kinky hair. If you leave it up to the outside world to make you feel better about yourself, you'll NEVER win. Ever. People get off on putting others down, so the love has to come from inside. Forget what people say. DL needs to shut up with his distracting birthmark anyway.
Name: Fran
Comment: Then I would feel better about him. He then would have remembered that he is the same as them. His comments as is implies that he does not realize that his hair is nappy too. He is making it sound bad to have nappy hair, does he not realize their hair looks like his. It looks like for a minute he thought he was a white boy.
Name: Mas90
Comment: Fran when did DL's show get cancelled for Seinfeld reruns? Seinfled was on NBC and DL's was on ABC and UPN.
Name: MDhornet
Comment: whatdat, I wasn't addressing the Rutgers women and anyone with a fig of intelligence would have know that. Melody went on and on about the suffering of black women and since I'm a black woman and I'm not suffering, I just wanted to understand where she's coming from.
Name: yunvme
Comment: whats going to happen is that comedians will be run off of TV's and have to go underground. You cant make fun of fags, black people, ugly people, fat people, jews, arabs. I mean dayum. Its gonna be like when I was little and you had to sneak to hear that kind of stuff.
Name: Fran
Comment: Mas90, I was cracking a joke about Seinfeld reruns. Merely I was picking the whitest show in the world as symbolism, that his shows get cancel for to me poor white quality shows.
Name: Fran
Comment: yunvme, I think you can make jokes. But not everything can be made a joke of. I think that is the whole point of Imus. Real Comedians should know that line and not cross it.
Name: Peekiebear
Comment: Let's see- Mr. Hugley recently lost his show- right? He lost his other "comedy" show- right? He has always been a sub par Don Rickles clone- insult, insult, insult. Of course, I realize that Mr. Hugley is filled with self-hate because he is just like Don Imus- neither of them "get" it. But they both defend the right to say it- because they don't want to say anything else. Well, I can say the same thing- I can find ugly Black (or any other race) people (men and women) any time I turn on the TV or go outside. I've always considered Mr. Hugley to be ugly- and he is- inside and out. Do you know of any White comedian who does nothing but savage people? Very few- but it is a constant in our community. He is a very ugly, self-hating man who only knows how to spew his hatred everywhere because it is within himself. Of course, he defends it. Of course he sucks up to White people. And you know how racist Jay Leno is- he loved it. And I guess Mr.Hugley has never seen another race of "ugly" women, right? Two fingers pointing, three fingers are coming back to you. I have friends in other countries and it always embarasses me to hear how they know that "Black men don't like their own women." That is sad- but I also know that all of this hatred is really projection. No matter how sick anyone else is- I'm not going to define myself by someone else's sickness.
Name: Fran
Comment: For those that think that DL was not in poor taste, check this out. If your parent died, do you think it will be funny if a Comedian joked about your parent and how terrible they looked in the casket. "Look at so and so moma, she was dead in the casket and swollen like a balloon!!" ...Not funny, somethings are not to be joked about. Somethings I dont care how you turn it, is only funny to sick minded people, which thank God is not the majority.
Name: Mas90
Comment: Hmmm...okay...... [insert recorded laugh here].
Name: yunvme
Comment: Nothing happens by chance. First that Kramer guy, then Issaih, and Imus. Its all going to lead up to saying such things like "%*$!(/er, faggat, hoe will be a "hate" crimes and it will be one more reason to lock us up. Our forefathers would be ashames of us educated negroes picking fights over words and hairstyles. Stop being so fvcking weak. Now if someone called you a %*$!( and then proceeded to whip you slave style thats another story. But comedians, come on now....dats what they do. Make us laugh at ourselves and society.
Name: Peekiebear
Comment: I remember visitng North Carolina sas a child and an old, extremely dark Black man walked up to me and said, "I don't see how you can live and be so dark. Maybe you should go back home (he knew I was from out of town)" Mind you, I was only a child and he was far darker than me. I didn't understand it but it was deeply hurtful. I remember in grade school that the "light skinned" girls would demand a nickel from the darker skinned girls to touch and brush their hair on the schoolyard. I was one of the "darker skinned" girls but my hair was longer than any of them. I refused to touch their damned hair and I was six year old. One day I asked these girls why they didn't ask to brush my hair, and I was told, "That's because your hair is nappy." As I recall- I don't ever remember a Black boy being specifically put down in the same way- not to say it never happens. Strange- I am an extremely beautiful Black woman- beautiful in ANY race- but I have rarely heard this from a Black person- although White, Asian, etc folks tell me this all the time. And they specifically tell me that they wish that they had my skin color because they always find it to be so beautiful. They haven't a clue why color is so damned important, or why the texture of hair makes you "ugly." However, my non-Black friends from around the world all know that Black men "prefer White women" and that they know that "Black men think that "we" are ugly." You can't say that about any other race. Wonder where they got that information. Oh, btw- I watch Asian TV a lot and they still put on Afro wigs on their comedy shows and even Black face. They "mimic" Black men and they jump around like monkeys and everybody in the audience laughs and laughs. I have seen them showing their underwear with their pants hanging low and it is a huge joke. They still do this- in 2007.
Name: BigDog
Comment: For whatever reason, society seems to have forced MY women to buy into what I call "Western ideas of beauty." Your hair is naturally curly and coarse. Why not embrace it? That's not to say that I have a problem with Sisters who get perms, but I won't lie...when I see a Sister who wears her hair naturally, it DEFINITELY grasps my attention. In the end, though, I call you MY women because you are mine. I cherish you and everything about you...those supple lips, those child-bearing hips, that thick, round booty, and, yes, your hair, whether curly or straight. All hail you, my beautiful Queens.
Name: yunvme
Comment: why do people who embrace the natural make it seem like if you like anything "western" your wrong/sellout/confused? I bet, for all those natural sistas out there a very SMALL SMALL percentage use natural things on their face, to wash their clothes, to brush their teeth. But they brag about being natural. So what. From the things I read here, the ones that wear naturals think they are "better" than those that have chemicals in their hair, weaves, etc. I'm all about being aware of ones heritage, but just because your people may have done this or that going back a thousand years dont make it right or the only way. I have yet to see a sista with a big azz plate in her lip. Come on keep it real. Embrace your blackness. Do it for the people.
Name: MsFresno
Comment: Its a bunch of overly sensitive people running around these days. I think the only problem with what DL Said was he said it on Leno if he was at your local comedy club folks would have been tickled to death.
Name: Southernbelle
Comment: Screw DL, sellout mofo.
Name: GHank
Comment: Out of curiosity, what did the Tennessee womens basketball look like?
Name: Train
Comment: >Peekiebear, I went through the same thing growing up in Compton. I was called darkie, midnight, count darkula and the like but it never phased me any 'cause I know who I'am and that's what my Mama told me I was dark and handsome. I went to high school in the early 1980's when De Barge came out so you know most of the sistahs wanted someone like them so I didn't get as much attention as most cats. Now when I went to college in Baton Rouge that all changed. The black women in Lousiana love them some dark brown brothas and I was given more attention that I thought I was Sidney Portier. My folks instilled in me a strong sense of self esteem so when I was made fun of when I was younger I either ignored them or hit them upside the head. What happened to the girls from my neighborhood who wouldn't give me the time of day??? Most of them either got knocked up by deadbeat cats or strung up on that drug that came during high school called crack. My folks are the reason why I never been ashamed about being my complexion because black is beautiful and I married a beautiful sistah who appreciated me for who I was and who I think the world of. Our ppl are kicking ourselves in the azz with this "color struck" thing which is totally self inflicted.
Name: joyandpain
Comment: No longer down with DL - he's thrown to the wolves now. I don't care what happens to his career. He took the so-called "joke" a step further after he said "nappy headed"...he said those were the ugliest women he's ever seen...that's some very bad commentary...Right here and right now - Black women, hold your heads up whatever color, hue, texture you are and have. We are beautiful and the world knows it. When we know it in our psyches, and respect ourselves, the world will also respect us. By the way, the video vixen women that earn $1,000 a day...your record label is earning millions...respect yourself... educate yourself...Don't be used. You're too beautiful! We are too beautiful!
Name: yunvme
Comment: ....and I also have never seen anyone build a mudd hut and raise their family in it. NO of course not, they want to "keep it real" with their dashikis' and afros but live in a western ideal of a nice home. Many of our sisters and brothers in Africa live like they do because they have no choice. If given the opportunity, they would have "western clothes", have the latest electronic gadgets (remember the oprah school story?) and enjoy an air conditioner. So who are we keeping it real for, and what exactly is "real"?
Name: BigDog
Comment: -->GHank...I can't speak for all of the Sisters on Tennessee's basketball team, but Candace Parker is FOINE!!! But, let's face it...for the most part, the way women look when they're playing/practicing their respective sport IS NOT the way they look every day. I know I went to college with some BEAUTIFUL female athletes.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Color conciousness was bred out of the era of slavery. Do ya'll mean to tell me that we are still dealing w/things from our past? That our subconcious minds still hold on to something that happened to us aeons ago? Fk outta here! Fah real? I can't believe it! I sho hope that women don't have to come onto this site for some all hail to the queen-type of affirmation. If so, then ya'll really in bad shape.
Name: GHank
Comment: I don't know of too many men that would not get with a woman because of her hair. I'm sure if the azz is slamin and has nice ta-tas, who gives a rats azz what her hair looks like. I'm sure Angela Davis, Pam Grier, and many, many others had many days where their hair was lookin messed up. I just think that society looks at black women with nappy hair as something ugly. Why is that? It can only mean that we as black people have fallen into white europeans' standards on what is beautiful.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: LMAO@Yunv..Well damn homey
Name: Mas90
Comment: All I have to say is don't hate DL hate the game.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Ghank...and I don't know of any brothas like that either. It just goes to show that it's black women who push these ridiculous insecurities out and make it someone else's issue and not theirs.
Name: GHank
Comment: BigDog>>>>See...that's my point. I happen to live in New Brunswick, NJ, the home of Rutgers Univ. The women head coach and myself attend the same church, so I have seen the Rutgers womens team in person. I didn't see ANY ugliness in them. And their hair was together. As a matter of fact, the star running back on the RU football team is dating one of the female basketball players.
Name: jess
Comment: musb & Ghank> I've heard the term "good hair", tossed around by men just as often as women. It galls me that in this day and age we are still speaking this way. I applaud you both and your friends for not buying into that.
Name: yunvme
Comment: shiit....good hur is good hur. Dont act like yall dont know trying to be all politically correct.
Name: MDhornet
Comment: When women speak of being natural, their referrring to wearing their hair in as natural a state as possible. It doesn't mean they're all natural, hair-under-the-armpit, no deodorant wearing women. LOL. Though those do exist.
Name: BigDog
Comment: Word, GHank. To take it to another level...let's take the time to think about an athlete's body, all the strengthening and conditioning they endure to play their respective sport. Now, translate that into the bedroom and imagine the things she can do with all of that athleticism. Hell, my homeboy slept with one of our women's basketball players when we were in college and he swears to this day that that's the best sex he's had in his life! And, trust me, that brother has been around! My suggestion...don't let these superficial perceptions of "beauty" force you to miss out on some magical experiences.
Name: yunvme
Comment: are white people with stringy thin hair defined by their hair? Do white women with long luxurious thick hair put themselves on a pedastal because of their hair? I'm not a white female so I really dont know, but somehow I doubt it. Why are we obsessed with hair?
Name: yunvme
Comment: Listen to India Irie. I AM NOT MY HAIR...and you shouldnt be either.
Name: MDhornet
Comment: LOL I shoulda known somebody would take it to the bedroom at some point.
Name: shortstack74
Comment: The one think I love about our culture is the versatility (don't know if I spelled it correctly). I love how we come in different shades, the different textures of hair, etc. I love everything about us. What I hate is how we allow our differences to separate us. This shyt started in slavery and is still going on to day. It's funny because we all have a story to tell regarding this matter. I can tell you countless stories about how I was told repeatedly that I was cute to be dark. Or my light skinned girl friend can tell you many stories of being teased because she was "light bright damn near white" with "good" hair. Or my co-worker who said dark skinned black folk were dirty. there is not a culture in this world who is so diverse, yet it's the biggest thing we fight about instead of celebrating it.
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: DL Hughley has made funky comments about everyone period. He has made negative remarks about dark skinned people, people who wear thick glasses etc. He has BEEN making these comments in National forums (what you thought HBO was broadcast in your town only and only black people were allowed to watch?) so what is the difference now? Negative comments at the expense of others should have never been funny, yet people laugh. If we were soooo appalled why is Comicview still on, why did Def Comedy Jam exist in the 90s and had the nerve to come back? Now we act is if we just found out that the comedy routines are degrading to women, had DL Hughley is HNIC, heck they have been degrading to men too, and women in comedy made it known that men are stupid and only good for sex and money. I do not equate stupid comments from comedians with self esteem issues of black women, it is just comedy and if someone is ignorant enough to take that to heart and feel that black women should be degraded, more than likely felt that way well before a comedian, singer, rapper or anyone else said so. Again negative comments at someone else's expense has never been my idea of comedy but I'm not going to make it more than what it is. I guess I have been blessed enough that my parents instilled confidence in me and I have not been brought down or concerned about negative comments, I have been blessed that I have not known any men who feel it necessary to degrade women and however I've worn my hair has not been an issue, cause I don't let it be, whatever you think, think it but it does not define me 'cause your thoughts are not effecting me, my money, home, friends or family and those are my concerns.
Name: shortstack74
Comment: One last thing. I'm not mad at DL. Because if we all got off our high horses, I'm sure that in the comfort of your family, friend, etc, you've made a joke at some elses expense. Let he without sin cast the first stone. I'm sure you joked about your fat aunt ruby, your retarded cousin lester, your ghetto cousin Shawanda and her six kids, your bougie (sp) aunt Theresa, once removed from the hood. Your old azz aunt Lucy who leaves her teeth in the water glass. Your drunk uncle Leroy who %*$!es on himself in the corner. The crackhead on the street corner. So please stop acting like you all are hollier than thou.
Name: southernsista
Comment: I think this whole "nappy headed" thing is blown out of proportion. I live in Tennessee. With all of the racism that I and my family have endured during the years, this seems so petty. Try being called nappy headed and being spit on trying to walk to school to get an education! That was back when my mother was a child. Black people have been called nappy headed from way back and it's a term that we use to describe our own hair--but we get upset when someone else says it. I am "nappy headed" and proud of it. I will proudly walk my black %*$ up in any store and purchase a relaxer for my nappy-%*$ hair and don't think twice about it. I do not wear any kind of weave, no long straight blonde hair for me! I work with what the good lord gave me and I'm not ashamed. As far as everyone getting upset about DL calling them ugly--that's just crazy too! True beauty is within. You can be as ugly as homeade shyt and still be one of the most beautiful people ever. Beauty is only skin deep. It's what on the inside that counts. It doesn't matter what other people say, it how we value ourselves that counts.
Name: GHank
Comment: BigDog>>>>>Now you sound like my older brother. My older brother ran track in high school and college, so he has been with many beautiful sistas who had straight, nappy, and bald....YES, BALD HEAD. He thought they were all beautiful.
Name: TMan
Comment: DL Hughley is another fool and another tool. I am not surprised in the least he said this. Black people like that will always be allowed on shows like that and more including what Cedric the Entertainer said about Rosa Parks. DL H. is a fool who only speaks for himself. He is an idiot.
Name: whatdat
Comment: MDhornet, when you said you are a Black woman and 'you are not suffering', you told the whole story right there. The back of your dress is bunched up in your panties.
Name: MDhornet
Comment: That's the best you could come up with? Yawn.
Name: McNasty
Comment: Good Damn Grief! All this cause one tired as.s comedian clowned himself on national tv! I hope you all realize he made himself look much worse than he can make ANY black woman look! For the posters who keep saying black women have it hard cause we have to conform, yadda yadda yadda. I don't know who y'all are talking about but I didn't conform to a damn thing! I do my thing and let other's do theirs and wonder where in the hell y'all got that from! Who ever told you that you had to conform is a fool and, well you're lacking if you bought into that shat! Southernsista - amen sistah!
Name: barnone
Comment: HERBS> wow, u surprise me....black folks still affected by what happened 2 their ancestors during slavery? perhaps u should re-read willie lynch's letter 2 slaveholders telling them how 2 alleviate their problem w/ uprising slaves. but i'm going 2 give u the benefit of the doubt and a$$ume u were being facetious. as 4 blk women and our lack of self-esteem...for those of us who do suffer from it for the most part i don't feel it's self inflicted. i can only imagine how a dark complexion sista growing up down south felt. just reading some of these posts r disheartening. and i can personally attest to brothas preferring lighter sistas or sistas w/ what they call "good hair". that doesn't mean all are like that but i know every time i c a black male actor, entertainer, athlete, with a lot of money if he's with a sister she does seem 2 pass the brown paper bag test. brothas w/ wives like denzel and isiah washington r an oddity.
Name: McNasty
Comment: MD you showing your lace undies?lmao
Name: duckapoo
Comment: I am also a former DL fan. I was actually lookinng forward to seeing him on Leno that night. But when he said what he did, my jaw dropped in disbelief. I disagree that Chris Rock or Steve Harvey would have disrespected those young women. He even shocked Jay Leno. This happened quite a few weeks ago and I was wondering if everyone was just going to let DL get away with this. I am happy for the boycott and nothing would make me happier than to see his career go down the tubes. But, oh yea, he will always have a spot on Bill Mahr because he is a loser as well. I thank BOOT for his beautiful comments and for the way he keeps me laughing every day. Now, if BOOT ever goes on the road, I will definitely buy a ticket.
Name: barnone
Comment: mcnasty> i don't think ur being honest w/ us or u must now b honest w/ yourself. look at all of the black actresses/entertainers who have really made it big or mainstream...lena horne, dorothy dandrige, vanessa williams, halle berry, beyonce when u c one of us on the cover of a mag what do we usu look like. how many sistas do we c on primetime tv that even closely resemble jill scott, india airie or eryka badu. i'm not implying natural sistas r better than sistas w/ perms. what i'm saying is sistas n their natural state as god created them r by and large not accepted by the mainstream.
Name: MDhornet
Comment: McNasty, maybe I'm not wearing any.
Name: MiamiSteve
Comment: Al "The Race Baiter" Roker launched an appalling attack on epileptics recently. Especially on epileptic children and children with disabilities. What will happen to him? Nothing. Will you see a bunch of disabled or epileptic children flying around the country crying about it? No, because they refuse to play the victims. They have dignity and self respect, even in the light of attacks by people like Al Roker. Will Oprah Winfrey start whining again? No. Because she can't get these sick epileptic children to come on her show and go "boo hoo" and booster her ratings, unlike some shameless, self seeking “women” did. D. L. is right. Go help a kid learn to read. Raise some money for starving Americans. These race baiters are all alike.
Name: rre1239
Comment: he got some nerve referring to them as some of the ugliest women he has ever seen. he need to rollover in the morning and look at his girl...WOOF!
Name: yunvme
Comment: oh come on with dat. There have been many brown skinned women that have been on magazines, in movies, on TV. Why are you looking for confirmation from movie stars? I've seen India Irie on TV more times than I can remember. Oprah remember her? She black, she on TV. I may be wrong here but I think brown/dark skinned sisters are so consumed and obsessed with light skinned black people and white women that they cant even see straight. I can name several dark skinned (oh yeah what about Nat King cole) people who have succeeded well "in hollywood" but many of you are so blinded by jealousy that you dont even see them.
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: I have NEVER thought DL was funny. I always thought he was bitter because he had not overcome the hardships/poverty of his youth. So many people hide their pain with laughter and lash out at others. DL Hughley is Exhibit A. If DL wants to refer to ugly, all he got to do is start with that man in his mirror-- the one staring back at him. He could never be funny unless it at someone else's expense. Seems he was hurt and lashes out at others it the name of comedy. I have never found him to be funny -- EVER. If I were any member of the Rutgers team [with my nappy-headed self], I would tell DL: YO MAMA!!
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: Another question is: WHY IS IT OK FOR EVERY OTHER ETHNIC GROUP (OR GROUP PERIOD FOR THAT MATTER) TO BE NATURAL, BUT WHEN AN AFRICAN IS BEING NATURAL, DEROGATORIES FLY OUT. When a white woman wears her hair straight, who calls her Straw Head. But when a person of African descent wears a natural, they are nappy or some other derogatory name? DREAD-locks because the slaves on the ship were deemed to look "dreadful". I am a sista who is ALL LOCKED UP AND FINALLY FREE. When I embrace my pride in being a black person, I embrace it all, nappy heads, big lips, big hips and all. All that I am is a gift from God. My nappy hair and the melanin in my skin and my large nose and lips enables me to live ANYWHERE on the planet with protection from the elements. Can't say that for the more fair skinned. To any person of African descent wear your African-ness with pride and CALL ME WHAT YOU WANT BUT LATE FOR DINNER.
Name: lovinlife
Comment: Since the subject of hair has come up I want to say that I get tickled when people assume that women who get perms hate themselves. Why can't it be as simple as that's how that particular woman cares to wear her hair? We each have to do what makes ourselves feel good about ourselves. I get my hair permed and it's not because I hate myself, my blackness or anything so dramatic. I just like my hair a certain way. Dang! I don't think you're anymore 'down' than the next person because you wear your hair natural. It's really funny because that's some superficial nonsense right there. I think that yunvme is right, we have to learn to love ourselves first, if we do that then anybody who doesn't appreciate you can kick rocks.
Name: MDhornet
Comment: I was hoping to irritate whatnot with my last comment. Guess he went home. Real, there is a HUGE difference between locs and dreads. Locs - cute, stylish. Dreads - uncombed, matted, stinky and nasty.
Name: oldsoul
Comment: Ya know, when I read these comments I see love and I see hate. I would give anything to be able to put into words how much (self) Love can literally erase all our problems because (the angle of) our perspective becomes so wide that both sides touch...we become super-obtuse-we really "get it"-then we are connected with All that Is. Now that doesn't mean sh*t ceases to happen to us but it does mean that our focus is concentrated so much on the things to love, that the things to hate don't get enough attention to live and so they die. Our uniforms are beautiful in all the different shades and sizes they come in but we shouldn't get caught-up on that - that's part of the hoax, the stuff that doesn't matter - the soul is what makes us appealing (or not) because it's the only thing that's real-- it will never die~ever. Oh yeah, nobody on this board should suffer, unless they want to, because it's not in our nature to do that. I ain't preaching 'cause I ain't a pimp but I will say that the hourglass is empty and it's time-out for all of this victim sh*t, We Are Victors. It would help to stop listening (buying-into) to all the lies on the outside (TV, paper, so-called friends and family and our minds(egos)) and tune-in to that One voice...not the one in our heads (that's the lie) but the one that's in our hearts (that's the truth). Peace to the board! OnelOve...
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: Fran: I'll definitely give you that! I'd feel better too if he made the "look at my hair" comment. We make fun of ourselves all the time. As I said in my previous post, it's just where he it that bothers me. You had another good point, he said it "as if he is not Black". Damn.
Name: MDhornet
Comment: GHank, CBG is looking for you on the F4All.
Name: lovinlife
Comment: I forgot to say that whoever said that folk in Africa live that way because they have no other choice is 1000 percent correct. I'm sure they would love to have as many 'western' conveniences as they could get...we need to stop playin' like we want to be so African. Having your hair natural and your house full of African art does not equate to the suffering going on in Africa. How many of us want to be down with extreme poverty with little to no hope????
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: Realuvbaby> You had me until you made the comments about fair-skinned people if you are talking about light skinned people you just did the same thing that you accused others of doing, making a deragotory comment about someone to make yourself feel better. BTW uh-fair skinned that terminology also was used to create a view of light skinned superiority, there is no fair skin, unless you think there is unfair skin, any more that there is good hair unless your hair washes itself, designs itself in what ever style you think of without you having to touch it, and hair that looked perfect no matter the weather or activity THAT would be good hair so I guess no one has good hair or better yet, whatever hair comes out of your head, however you chose to style it, it's all good hair. LOVINLIFE> I sometimes have permed hair, sometimes I wear a natural kinky curly wig. Am I confused and only hating myself sometimes---or is it that hair ain't a thing, long as it looks nice to me LOL!
Name: barnone
Comment: lovinlife> u perpetuate the stereotype when u equate all things comfortable and nice to "western" and poverty and huts 2 african. africa/african culture is very diverse and rich. the house i lived n n africa could stand up to any suburban upscale home.
Name: TesticAl
Comment: Nappy hair is not poppin'.
Name: asize12
Comment: >lovin, I agree with you...everyone has their own tastes, likes & dislikes. My hair is thinning in the front and it's heriditary and altho I'd like to rock the natural fro sometimes, I can't. So, I wear weave and it looks good TO ME. I don't give a hell who doesn't like it, as long as *I* like it because I'm the one that's gotta wear it on my head...People need to stop trippin' off what other folks think about them (especially yt folks). Why does anybody care what they think??? Why does anybody care what ANYBODY thinks about them? That just puzzles me...when my 16 y/o get's dressed and says "momma, how do I look" I ask her "how do YOU think you look?" I say that to try to get her in the habit of NOT waiting for someone to validate or compliment you because if you feel that you are beautiful, then that's all that matters. She carries herself like a young lady and as long as I approve of what she's wearing and she ain't lookin' like a hoochie, then it's all good.
Name: FiveMore
Comment: This is truly a complicated mess we find ourselves boggled down in!
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: Size12> Keep on teaching your daughter, that ploy does work, my mom used to do that to me---when I was 16 it used to make me mad because I saw so many people on the street who seemingly didn't have a mirror at all, but anyway when I got older I saw exactly what she was trying to do.
Name: shortstack74
Comment: I don't understand why this is still an issue. I don't know may be it's just me but I happen to think locks (on some people) are beautiful. I think natural hair is beautiful when it's styled. I prefer my hair straightened but I don't put down others who don't. I just love that we are that versitle and can do those things. What seems to be a blessing to me, so many are making it out to be a curse. This is not to lesson the fact that their are people out there with "issues" regarding color, hair etc. But that's their problem. I say do whateva works for you. Me, I'm taking my nappy headed behind to the salon to get a relaxer Friday cause this DC heat has got my edges BEADY! LOL.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Barnone..I'm azzuming that post people got the joke. *scratching head* As w/Imus, things like the nut DL always make us "aware" but only for a minute. Next week, we'll back right back to where we were. DL is CORNY and not in a good way. I've never been able to stomach him. Everything about him seems contrived. I agree w/the poster who said he should get on Leno and talk about hymies and see how far his free speech takes him. LOL@AL...see there u go..ain't u belidomindoranspanic or some'n..lol jfwu.
Name: lovinlife
Comment: barnone > I was speaking in very general terms based on what I've seen on tv because I've never been to Africa. It appears that for the most part it's a pretty poor continent with either extreme wealth or extreme poverty. *shrugging shoulders* LOL @ SweetieDarlin...you're a confused soul. Asize12 > I like that comment to your daughter...I'ma have to bite that line.
Name: McNasty
Comment: Barnone I look at tv for entertainment purposes not a place to get my cues from nor for women to emulate. My mother did her job so when I look at all the women you mentioned - it's their talent I look at cause for damn sure none of them resemble me in any way shape form or fashion. When I was a child watching tv I used to ask my mother 'momma is that real' it finally sunk in that it wasn't and I know my mother got tired of that question. It's not one I have to deal with now and neither should any other strong black sister. Musb I agree with what I think is your first post. I'm not sure cause I skimmed through so many from women I thought were past caring what anyone thought. The fact is we should have never begun the discussion about what slavery did to us - WE didn't live through it our ancestors did and we are too far from the vestiges of slavery to keep disrespecting the elders by slangin' it around all willy nilly!!
Name: FiveMore
Comment: Off Topic>Chrisette Michele is the Bomb Diggity!
Name: oldsoul
Comment: lovinlife> Unfortunately, I haven't made it to Africa yet but I do know people who have gone (and sent back post cards) and came back here to report that they only show you the f*cked up parts of the continent on TV and in magazines. It's called propaganda and it would be parallel to Africa being a "superpower" and broadcasting only the projects, the trailer parks, the so-called hillbillies (talk about being poor) and all the killings, flash floods, hurricane/tornado disasters and other suffering going on in America to the world. Until you travel abroad you really don't know. Hell, America would have us believe that we are the only people on Earth with some sense, truth be told.
Name: yunvme
Comment: you know what?? It dont matter how civilized and modern most of that continent may be, when there are millions hungry and millions dying from AIDS THATS the concern, or are we suppose to forget the faces of those children because they have highrises?
Name: TesticAl
Comment: LOL at my nigguh Herbs! You stupid man.
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: We may be black and proud, but when it comes to accepting all of our African-ness, it's sad to see that some have a problem with it. We can take no credit for the race we were born into, but no matter what, straight or nappy, it's all black. Now some blacks prefer the Euro-centric lifestyle, and that's ok. But being naturally black and proud with no straighteners, fillers or extras should be preached and practiced. We don't choose our heritage. God did that.
Name: FiveMore
Comment: realuvbaby>Say it,gurl!The Lord did not make a mistake... when he created black people!Although blacks can be a hand full @ times,I still have love for my people!I just wish there was more unity in the community!**hmmmm and sigh**
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: Thanks FiveMoe . . .As I did on the Tyler board, I give my last word on the subject: Sometimes I'm right and I can be wrong My own beliefs are in my song The butcher, the banker, the drummer and then Makes no difference what group I'm in I am everyday people, yeah yeah There is a blue one who can't accept the green one For living with a fat one trying to be a skinny one And different strokes for different folks And so on and so on and scooby dooby doo-bee Oh sha sha - we got to live together I am no better and neither are you We are the same whatever we do You love me you hate me you know me and then You can't figure out the bag l'm in I am everyday people, yeah yeah There is a long hair that doesn't like the short hair For bein' such a rich one that will not help the poor one And different strokes for different folks And so on and so on and scooby dooby doo-bee Oh sha sha-we got to live together There is a yellow one that won't accept the black one That won't accept the red one that won't accept the white one And different strokes for different folks
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: WHOOPS. Please forgive me F I V E M O R E !! No disrespect. . .
Name: FiveMore
Comment: Awww,that is alright,Real!TYPOS are my foes!!!ha!ha!!It's cool though!
Name: PastorTatum
Comment: To those who may question our motives. For the record, I attended the funeral of James Byrd Jr., the man who was dragged behind the truck by 3 white men and walked the two miles where his head and other body parts were dismembered. I confronted the KKK over the confederate flag in Texas public schools. I fought to establish the first hate crime law in Texas and I have been involved in a debate with white supremacy lover David Duke. You have the right to question me, but please do not question my motives but never question my love for my people and our black sisters. His speech is self-hate speech, not free speech. When you talk about black sisters you are talking about yourself. We all came from them. I have put my life on the line for my people more times than you can count. DL Hughley call us clowns, well, I would rather be a Clown 4 Christ than to Degrade 4 Dollar$. The number one issue facing us as a young people is low self-esteem. Words hurt, especially when they come from one of your own black brothers. Email me if you want the “whole story, email me at: pastorkyevtatum@yahoo.com The struggle continues. PKT
Name: McNasty
Comment: MDHornet then I guess whatdat got an eyefull.lol
Name: PHScott
Comment: People, it was a joke, on a late-night comedy show. Please get over yourselves... I didn't take it too serious when Don Imus said it, especially since I didn't find out until almost a week later. By then, it was too late to be really mad about it. And I see the good Pastor has the time to peruse the message boards of the EUR. What's up with that?
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