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MsBlake
Comment: The first thing that came to mind when I saw this column was ‘oh no here comes drama’. Then I got a little scared because if Wesley read Mo Kelly’s column he most likely read the comments and I believe I wasn’t exactly singing his praises.
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MsBlake
Comment: Wesley is powerful black man, he may be able to trace me and teach me a lesson. I’ve seen his film Blade, he can definitely take me and my crew on in a fight. I don’t think he’ll have any reservations about hitting women either, Halle Berry anyone? oops!!!! yeah I know I’m wrong for that but I didn’t say it Christopher Williams did. Just kidding Wesley, we cool right??? *timid voice *
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MsBlake
Comment: On a serious note, I was impressed with his response. I thought he was going to come across as aggressive n’ ghetto cos Mo’Kelly did not hold back, but Wes did what he set out to do i.e. to set the story straight. Hopefully there’ll be no jailtime, just a fine and a warning. Word to Wes, I’m still not buying the ‘its because I’m black’ defence though!! *logs off, closes the curtains and hides under desk*
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grayeyesliu
Comment: Thanks for such an insightful response Wesley. The government have and will continue to pick on certain individuals. Your tax problems are yours and maybe sensationsm reporting could maybe report of things like cops shooting unarmed men in America.
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ChaCha
Comment: Dr. Wesley Snipes?
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malenga
Comment: Well that answered a whole lotta nothin'. LOL Comparing himself to Malcolm, Martin and Marcus? Please!
What ever happened to personal responsibility?
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whatdat
Comment: Wesley Snipes, here is the matter to which you need to respond. Did you slap Halle Berry and damage her hearing? Man up and send Lee Bailey an email explaining that. Show some spine and admit it if you did it.
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Gurlfrand
Comment: Hope it gets resolved - didn't know Wesley had his doctorate. In any event, he wrote his response well -
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leeneepoo
Comment: Good morning FAM>>>I always admired Wesley and it would not surprise me if he does have a doctorate. His response was on point, well written and I just loved the ""frogs fattened for snakes statement." H.e.l.l. sometimes you got to let people know where you stand and what is representative of self. Although he stated that he usually would not respond to such a story his response needed to be heard. I was listening to Steve Harvey this morning on my way into work and he spoke about throwing the first stone. Apparently some female emailer who appeared to be "holier than thou" said that he needed to stop saying "quit tripping God ain't finish with me yet". Well needless to say Steve "took it to her" and that needed to be said and heard as well. I for one will not point a finger at anyone because there will be 4 more fingers pointing back at me...I said yesterday that people can make the biggest mistake in their lives and something good will come from it....well I believe also that a man/woman is innocent until proven guilty...Peace
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TGen
Comment: My impressions of the resposne: 1st, ChaCha, that's EXACTLY what stuck out to me, I searched the web before writing this and couldn't find anything about Wesley getting a PHD (even an honorary one) so hmmm. 2nd, I think the thing to take most from the article is that people (media, news, gossip sites, etc.) need to CHILL when trying to convict someone before knowing ALL the facts. There is always more than one side to stories. It's so tacky and (for journalists) unprofessional to deal in speculation and opinion. Give me FACT, not your damn opinion. Kay? kay. Now, all that said, while I'm still not a big fan of Mr. (Dr.? lol) Snipes, I hope he's treated fairly regarding this tax deal...
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My2Pennies
Comment: Wesley graduated from State University of New York-Purchase (SUNY), where he studied theatre and dramatic arts. He also earned an Honorary Doctorate from SUNY in Fine Arts...also said he was 5'11. Many years ago I stood next to him at a party and he was wayyyy shorter than me and I am 5'6. I'd put him at 5'7 at the most.
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whatdat
Comment: Did the columnist say of himself that he is "fair" or is that Lee Bailey's %*$essment? I think the Jackson (can't remember his first name) who played for the Pacers and his family disagrees with that. If the columnist did say that of himself, he might want to note this statement: "Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.--Proverbs 27:2.
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My2Pennies
Comment: Oh and another thing Wesley, watch out for Jon Divens (or John Divens as his name was spelled while in UCLA Law School). Word is he's a LAPD snitch and is not above wearing hidden microphones.
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Sexee
Comment: Whateva, Wesley. He wants to cite men whom were great civil right persona's and their struggles to justify why he called it racism. Using the "if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck then yes it must be a duck" conclusion.
Yet he buys into the manufactured perception of black women that the white media has sold to the masses as law; and that this portrayal continues to perpetuate division between black men and women. In a sense of oblivion as to what his past "words" and "actions" have contributed to the great divide in our society. He continues to live in the oblivion, not realizing that it was under the watchful eye of black women, that catapulted him into his success.
Black women it's a wake up call for all of us that continue to support these shiftless negros that court black but maintain non-black women and will do back flips to prove that they are worthy to spend their money on.
Wesley, they know you are disconnected from black women in general and could it be the fact that you give others special training that brought you under their microscope? Just food for thought.
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Sexee
Comment: Seriously people why are you quesitoning the fact that this man has a doctorate?
Wny are you falling in line giving accolades on his "well-written response"? Those are "conditioned" statements and sub-concious seflf hatred. He says he has a Doctorate "I BELIEVE HIM". I never underestimate anyone.
Yesterday, I spoke to an individual that I have known for years. He never knew the things that I have accomplished or my educational background, he only knew me as the girl who threw "nice parties". He said "You have shown humility in all that you do" and that brought a tear to my eye. So don't take shots with out understanding that "Yes, he may be, what he says he is".
He lives abroad and deals with people on a higher level so yes I EXPECT him to have education. We have to stop responding to the way the "white man" have trained his people to think of us.
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YLawdY
Comment: "Are you aware that, from a historical perspective, wealthy and influential blacks have been targeted and their reputations ruined in the course of tax prosecutions similar to mine? I suggest you look up the history surrounding Jack Johnson, Willie Mays, Jackie Robinson, Sammy Davis Jr., Paul Robeson, Marcus Mosiah Garvey, Muhammad Ali, Martin Luther King Jr. and James Brown." WOW I didn't know DR. Snipes enjoyed parity with such exalted company. Guess I've been sleeping on him.
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TGen
Comment: My2Pennies, thanks for the info. I just read his bio on wikipedia and indeed it says he has a doctorate. Sexee, not sure if your comment was directed towards me, but for the record, I NEVER stated that I didn't believe the man had a doctorate, just that I couldn't find any info to validate that. But that is minutae, bottom line, it's wrong to convict anyone without knowing all the facts. Speaking of which, Whatdat, I had similar confusion when I read the article. I was trying to figure out if MoKelly was the same person as Lee Bailey or what. It's written in a very confusing way. But I digress...
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archcookies
Comment: You that was a wonderful letter. He really best Mo Kelly and cursed him out without ever using one word of profanity. It will be interesting to see where this case goes. I for one will be watching. Wesley I am at odds with your statement about black women but I have to give you kudos on responding intelligently to a very scurrilous article.
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: Yo, Wes did finance A Long and Mighty walk, the story of Dr. Jon Hendrik Clark...He is also a friend of Dr. Ben..so maybe some of his statements aren't soooooo farfetched...
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Sexee
Comment: TGEN ~ After I made my initial post, I went back to read comments, not looking at the name just the comments and I was shocked and appalled by quite a few that underestimated a black man.
I attend several business functions and I get the black and youth tax (I look like I am 25, but I am 10 years older). So I hate when someone "perceives" me to be coasting when I can sail with the best of them.
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poeticlyspkng
Comment: Ummm... It's probably an honorary doctorate, like most celebrities.
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YLawdY
Comment: Oh please. He obviously needs publicity of some sort. While Mo's article was amusing, it didn't need or warrant a pseudo intellectual response of this magnitude. MOKelly...where are you? I think you need to write another article about pomposity and not just from Mr. Snipes. Yeah, I'll point a finger and if I deserve one back, I'll take a finger or two, but stupid is as stupid does!
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NYCsoul
Comment: I believe that Wesley has a doctorate degree. His response to Mo's article was very dignified. We will just have to wait and see how this case turns out. About Wesley's comments about black women, honestly, I was shocked when I did read his comments. Prior to that, Wesley was very pro-black woman and spoke about how much he loved being with them. I still have that Vibe and Ebony articles which he sang our praises. I think that's what make his later views about us quite sad. But that's neither here nor there. I hope he can prove his case to the US gov't because Uncle Sam is not kind to anyone who does not pay him.
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butterpecanrican
Comment: Dang. The IRS is looking for Wesley but he's too busy filming a movie to respond to them. Mo Kelly clowns him and beats the door down to respond.
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dport
Comment: I now 'call' all rights to the Celebrity Death Match ftg Wesley Snipes vs. Mo' Kelly to be featured one day on MTV8!
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...Just goes to show ya anybody could be reading your post...anybody?...anybody?...Yo Sanaa, Nia or Gabby my name is Bootane Bootus and I can be reached at......
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xavixavi
Comment: Interesting response, not sure how much I believe. I will have to mull it over too.
Not guilty does not equal innocent -- ask O.J.
The minute I saw "Dr." I was a little shocked, then I immediately mused that "honorary" probably came before it.
It was probably meant to impress -- a little bit of self aggrandizement can go a long way.
It should have been. Wesley Snipes, PHD. though:) look it up that's the correct way to acknowledge oneself.
just being nitpicky.
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FiveMore
Comment: I thought these people read blogs because I saw some things come up in writings by other people that looked pretty familiar!They really need to give credit where credit is due!lol
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FiveMore
Comment: When he refers to himself as "Dr.Wesley Snipes"is that to make blacks(MoKelly,and EurWeb's posters) back up off of him or bow down to him?Does anybody understand what I'm talking about?whatdat>Yes,I'm waiting on that too!DR.Snipes:Did you beat the hell out of Halle Berry?(She is living in a state of confusion right now)
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xavixavi
Comment: Five more that is soooo wrong.
I've always thought that the best way for these people to live there lives is to not give a Fcuk what we think.
C. Williams was thought to be the culprit for years till he said that. Halle hasn't named any names (doesn't anyone wonder why).
I like the Diana Ross way better. Let them talk, and say nothing.
People will think what they want. All these denials don't mean isht.
Even after Flo's sister and Mary Wilson told the truth people still hate her for that mess.
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teeokeefe
Comment: i think his response was dignified and well written. Celebrities, in general, have all their business put in the street and we, the common folk, get to stand on the sidelines and jeer and judge.
I have a close friend in the entertainment industry who right now has a $300K back tax bill from IRS because of bad work done by an accountant. He's not making Wesley Snipes kind of money, so to imagine that Wesley would find that his business has not been properly maintained doesn't surprise me. IRS don't play -- Al Capone didn't go to jail for murder, he went for Tax evasion.
People who earn lots of money have other people who take care of it for them. The entrust them with a LOT of responsibility, but at the end of the day you are responsibile for your own debt.
For one thing, I think that our culture is celebrity obsessed and we need to focus on things that actually impact our own lives -- live local government. We will never know all the facts leading to what got WS into this predicament, so it's impossible to make a judgement of his culpability in the matter and what he did wrong to cause it to get to the state that it did.
I wish him luck.
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iknowtheplans
Comment: Ohhh Pu-leaze W.Snipes. Un-Christian? Ancient ways? Professional counsel? Oh just shut up. You profess beliefs in Eastern religion and Eastern women, and you disparage Black people in America for points. NOW you are loving Africa and have been swindled by "someone you trusted." Man get out of here. Give DL Hugley a call because you're both basically in the same boat with Black women; we don't care if you rot in jail and your career tanks. Then call a tax preparer that you don't "know and trust" to secure his/her services. What a crock of crap you have turned out to be Dr. Snipes. We Black people are some forgiving folk, i.e. Michael Jackson, R. Kelly, but at some point we must let you lie in the bed that you made for yourself.
Sleep on Dr. Snipes
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mseffy
Comment: I'm just glad that WESLEY himself has finally spoken; and I also like that he addressed his response to Mo Kelley on this board. I told y'all people watch this board!
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: YLawdyY...I'm here...you know I am. I'm just laying in the weeds. I "responded" on my blog at www.mokellyreport.blogspot.com.
But reading the posts, your %*$essment and others have already touched upon what came to my mind. In fact, yours were almost exactly in mine with mine. I will say this...he responded...to ME.
That's all that needs to be said.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: I meant "in line with mine."
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mcctusk
Comment: hmmm....where is mo kelly? on a day like today, i would expect him to be somewhere up in here referring to himself in the third person.
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barnone
Comment: what did he say about black women?
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barnone
Comment: oh btw, BOOT> he also used 2 b a part of the nation of islam.
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sophiasophiasophia
Comment: Ooooh,My2Pennies! I used to date 'Jonathan Divens' a million years ago. I know this is totally topic hopping, but he did mysteriously fall off the face of the LA Black power attys scene. Wouldn't return anyone's calls, said he didn't want to be bothered, which was SO strange because he was very ambitious and had relationships with all the key power people. Makes your comments about him seem even more plausible.
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amethyst
Comment: This was a dignified, intelligent response. I respect Wesley for not "going there"; he didn't make any accusations or attack Mo'Kelly personally. Mo, did you check the facts and read court documents before penning the column? Wesley and God know the whole truth. And he wouldn't be the first person to be screwed by financial managers. Bill Cosby once said that one should keep his/her eyes on his/her own money.
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dede0320
Comment: Wesley, still comes off as a pompus arrogant azzhole, I do not care about if someone stiffed him, he has a doctorate, so he should have been more careful in his business matters. If he got it as an honorary degree, it is not the same as those who have worked hard and studied hard to obtain a real Doctorate.It is what it is, an honor!!! The letter was well written , if he really wrote it, but he needs to really take all that up with the IRS, I do not care, when it comes to the IRS, they do not care what color, creed or sex that you are..if you owe them, you owe them. Black people need to pick their struggles and fights, Wesley please sit down, and take a hard look at yourself and search...
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: butterpecanrican
Comment: "Dang. The IRS is looking for Wesley but he's too busy filming a movie to respond to them. Mo Kelly clowns him and beats the door down to respond."
Hello?!!
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Amethyst...you specifically asked me a question, I will specifically answer.
Yes, here are some facts. He did NOT answer the question IN BOTH my pieces as to whether or not he filed from 1999-2004. And NO, "not guilty" as a plea is NOT the same as "proclaiming innocence." "Not guilty" is simply a court plea indicating that you feel the charges are not true IN FULL or can't be proven.
Yup...see OJ, Robert Blake et. al. He's right about one thing, the government has to PROVE it's case, but Snipes was quite careful to make THAT distinction instead of clinging to his innocence.
Yes, my facts are in place. Read the response very carefully and slowly.
It's not what he DID say, it's what he largely DIDN'T say...
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mseffy
Comment: On a more serious note, it is not impossible to image that the IRS targets blacks and other minorities as well as celebrities. It is also true that celebrities can afford to hire professionals to handle their taxes and other business matters. If these same celebs audited these professionals periodically, such issues as tax payments would surface quickly and not morph into the mess WS is dealing w/now. Audits are a basic component of Business Management, Dr. Snipes. I suspect celebs are just too important to pause and question or investigate the credentials and track record of the 'PROFESSIONALS' they use.
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Thickness
Comment: Oh now you want to evoke the names of great black individuals, when you are in trouble. Wesley I have very little respect for you. Maybe you should throw some other persuasions in your argument and left the color off and just used the argument in regards to wealthy or famous individuals. You get no respect coming from a racial standpoint after that stuff you spewed about black women. You need to redeem yourself to your community and beg your moma pardon.
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DCSummer
Comment: LOL. People sure are funny. Butterpecanrican and YLawdY but it best. Wesley is an arrogant jack*ss. He can't handle his business the proper way, he's too busy for that. But MoKell pulls his coattail and within days he puffs up his chest like a rooster and sits down and writes a seemingly intelligent letter and everyone acts like Wes is the man. C'mon puhleeze. I especially loved his "this letter can only be published in eurweb". Wow! Does he have a doctorate?? Maybe. Or maybe he has a damn staff who knows how to string a few sentences together. You should have handled your business in the first place.
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FiveMore
Comment: Thickness>He need to beg his momma's pardon!lolHe thinks black women are too what...bossy,outspoken etc.!What are we?Are we good enough to beat and f888, but not good enough to respect.Blade needs to give a rest right now!sheesh..!!!!
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yonkewi
Comment: That was very eloquently written, i'm on yo side brother Wesley.
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KMJW
Comment: Sexee - Your comments were on point. Every since Wesley's comments about black women, I haven't cared much for him. I don't know why, because everyone likes what they likes. For me, it doesn't get any better than a tall, dark, dark, dark man around 225lbs. My husband is tall and weighs around 225 but definitely not dark, dark, dark...I always tell him that I settled for him (just joking :-). Anyway, I digress. I thought Wesley's letter was well written and delivered. I really enjoy someone that can defend his/her position - written or orally. But Wesley, go ahead and tell the truth, you definitely missed a payment here and there to Uncle Sam...much love though.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Did Wesley say something else about black women or some'n? Or are some of the comments about his views 'bout black women still holdovers from the Wesley Snipes' World of Urban Legend?
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FiveMore
Comment: lol@Musbdherbs!
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Snipes' comments from Ebony Magazine 1997...
"On the personal level, Snipes, a divorced father of a "precocious" 8-year-old son, Jelani, says he enjoys spending time with "spirited" women. "Either the hot-headed ones or the ones who just think they're divas," he explains. "I like them because they have spice and creativity. I like a woman who reads. I think a number of my relationships [ended] because she didn't read and we didn't have anything to talk about.... But I'm not into the ones who want to jump up and fight and get loud. That's not my flavor."
The Asian model and restaurateur he introduces as "my lady, Donna [Wong]" has been Snipes' companion for the past year and a half When asked if he dates Black women, he says: "Primarily all of my life I've dated Black women.... Oh, most definitely. Oh, my God. Mostly. But it just so happens that now I'm dating an Asian woman. It's different. Different energy, different spirit, but a nice person." He says he is not ready for marriage; nor is Donna. "She's got to learn to deal with the love scenes in the movies first," says Snipes as he chuckles. "Got to get to a place where it's very comfortable."
Wesley says he realizes that there are Black women still who get an attitude about Black men with Asian, White or Hispanic women. "I know we've all been hurt, and we're all very wounded," he says, addressing Black women. "We have to acknowledge that, both male and female, in the Black experience. We're a wounded people. And we want to possess and we want to own. We don't want to compromise. We feel like we've compromised enough. But in any relationship you have to compromise. There's no way around it. And I say to Black women also, Brothers who are very, very successful, or who have become somewhat successful, usually it's been at a great expense, unseen by the camera's eye....
"He doesn't want to come home to someone who's going to be mean and aggravating and unkind and who is going to be `please me, please me.' He doesn't want to come home to that. He doesn't want to come home to have a fight with someone who is supposed to be his helpmate. So it's very natural that he's going to turn to some place that's more compassionate.... You've worked hard and you deserve to come home to comforting. And usually a man who has that will appreciate it. Because I've never known one cat, all those cats I've hung out with and still hang out with, who found something that they really, really like and didn't go back to it. They all go back. It's very simple."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1077/is_n1_v53/ ai_20013891
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yunvme
Comment: OMG...how dare that fvker say that. (WTF- is that what all the controversy has been about?) Yall fools..
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archcookies
Comment: >Mo Kelly you are a master at satire. But you have to give the man credit he did respond and I am sure his attorney advised him what and what not to say and I think that in itself shows some intelligence. You know you hit a nerve when he responded--I think his subdued, restrained response was appropriate. Now where the hell did the Dr. come from? He could have ended the letter by not adding his honorary degree, that I have to say was a bit of self-promotion.
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amethyst
Comment: Mo, thanks for responding to the questions. It didn't slip by me that Wesley did not proclaim innocence; he just says he pled not guilty. This is the legal route to take. If I didn't do something, had no parts of it, I would be screaming "I'm innocent" instead of "Not guilty". Even if the tax preparers or accountants messed him up, he is still liable for paying his taxes. Wesley probably knows he at least shares some of the fault.
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uhv2luvme
Comment: LOL...i guess he told you "mo"
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mocha
Comment: I was just saying to my friends yesterday that we as a people (white and black) are so quick to judge others based upon what we read and see in the media.The media is a tool used to control minds and influence the masses. It can be used for good and evil. Imagine if your personal and family issues were broadcast. Even the small things would look nasty on tv. Your finances might not look so great in the newspaper. Give WS a break. I have met him on more than one occasion, before and after he was hugely famous. He was gracious and humble. He invited my husband and myself out one night to a club with him and he was just real cool. He even invited my husband to his beach house to hang out with the fellas. Again he was just a very cool dude. My client is friendly with him and his mom. She has nothing but good things to say about them. I wonder how many people on this board have ever spent any time with Wesley. Leave him alone and let him handle his business. I for one will pray that this all works out for the best. Does anybody on this board wish anyone well? Haters never win and Winners never hate. Judge not, til you make some millions and have to live your life under public scrutiny. Do you, Wesley. I am proud of you Black Man.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: archcookies...
I appreciate the compliment and his response is an even greater "compliment"...truth be told. You're right, his legal team was all over his "response"...but the fact he responded at all says all that needs to be said.
As for the Dr. title, it has caught all of us off guard. Since he's never been referred to as such in a public forum prior to this moment, it's put in the "odd" column for me. That and all the specious references and comparisons to great Black social revolutionaries. That went into the "odd" column too.
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amethyst
Comment: I was waiting to see Wesley's words from that magazine article again; I couldn't recall the details. I was offended then and am still offended that he stereotyped Black women as "someone who's going to be mean and aggravating and unkind and who is going to be `please me, please me.'" There are women like that in all ethnicities. And there are those who are "compassionate and comforting" in every race. I know Black men who use this view to justify not dating sisters. I tell them, "You just selected the wrong ones. The common denominator in all those experiences is YOU, so perhaps you need to check your decision-making process."
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Mocha..."leave HIM alone"????
This was HIS response in a public forum. The continuation of this conversation is a decision made by HIM.
Let's keep this discussion factual in nature. HIS people reached out to me with the following phrase...
"Wesley wants his say"
HE requested for this piece to be run in this space...
But we should "leave him alone?"
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yunvme
Comment: Willie Mays, Jackie Robinson, Sammy Davis Jr., Paul Robeson, Muhammad Ali, and James Brown- aint nuthin but athletes and entertainers. Why is such a big deal made out of him speaking of them and his situation as being similar? Is it because he also mentioned the names MLK and Marcus Garvey?
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KMJW
Comment: Just for the record - odd is not a good thing or bad thing...just different than what YOU have been exposed to or accept as "normal".
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archcookies
Comment: >MoKelly I guess it's like in a lot of black churches, the ministers call themselves, Rev. Dr. when even have them going so far as to dub themselves Arch Bishop.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Amethyst and those women who think like her represents the black women who are unfortunately consistently helpful in the ongoing breakdown of love 'tween brothas and sistas. When there is no love/order..you have chaos. I really hate that black women continue to perpetuate it.
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yunvme
Comment: I guess he feels that if Mo can call himself a "journalist" then why cant Wesley call himself a Doctor?
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YLawdY
Comment: What was the phrase you used on your blog Mo? "Let's not overstate reality." That says it all, Mr. Snipes. On the other hand it also applies to the Essence article. Maybe I'm being naive in stating that I didn't feel like he was calling out all black women or stereotyping them. What he said is true no matter what ethnic group you belong to. I read it as him speaking to those women those words applied to. Now on the third hand, I do have a problem that his love interests in movies since he "made it" (and presumably has some creative input) are not women of his color. I mean if he is on par with the litany of names he threw out in his response, he ought to be able to say "I want Halle, Gabbie, Vanessa, Nia, Regina, substitute a black actress' name, etc." and have it done. What's up with that?
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YLawdY
Comment: yuwhatever...GREAT atheletes and entertainers. All door openeners and trailblazers up against...wait for it...Nino the vampire? He can't valet for the names he put out there.
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FiveMore
Comment: What are you talking about, Musbdherbs?We must be totally honest,herbs!There are problems between the sexes and "black women" are not the only culprits in the equations!Hey, now!!We both (equally)share the blame to this growing divide in our culture.
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YLawdY
Comment: yunvme...once again you prove something you yourself said, you're not that smart. Journalist vs. doctor. Never mind, it's too tiresome.
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yunvme
Comment: I'm not diminishing the accomplishments of those men. I am simply trying to get some of you to perhaps understand where Wesley was coming from. He was naming high profile black men who have found themselves in "situations" he was not equating himself to anything other than that aspect of it.
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yunvme
Comment: YLawd- explain it to me please, or are YOU not that smart? Apparently not, if you didnt see the sarcasim in my post.
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yunvme
Comment: the funny and I must say ironic thing about the whole Wesley/Black women controversy is that the mere mention of his name brings out the exact same qualities in yall that he speaks of. ME ME ME, complain, b1tch, complain, b1tch, etc. You really dont get it. Its almost laughable. But the joke is really on you cause you dont see it.
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Zumbagirl
Comment: Mo: The first thing I noticed about Mr. Snipes' the response is that he NEVER addressed the missing tax returns and the impact that no doubt had on the subsequent IRS "attack" against him. In my view, that omission undermined the entire response.
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yunvme
Comment: Has anyone actually read the motion as Wesley suggested? If someone could post it here that would be great.
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YLawdY
Comment: yunvme...It's way long. You can go here to read it: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/060807 1snipes1.html
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cinnamonqueen
Comment: Sighing..........
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Two simple questions...
Did you or did you not file from 1999-2004.
And if you hired the tax preparers (who he alleges filed fraudulent returns when he DID file)...isn't the law explicit, you're culpable when you SIGN on the dotted line as using someone else as a tax preparer?
Two simple questions, all rhetoric and jokes aside.
We can debate "Dr." and "Journalist" all day...but in the final analysis, "Dr." Snipes found my work worthy enough of a response.
The IRS didn't even get that from 199-2004. Mo'Kelly wins.
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: >yunvme, The great Paul Robeson was a helluva lot more than an actor/athlete...The man was a dayum "Superman"...He ranks up there with Garvey, MLK, Malcolm, WEB, and whoever else...
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barnone
Comment: MO> thank u 4 answering my question. i had never heard he said anything negative about blk women prior 2 now. after reading the excerpt i still don't c why sistas feel as though he is belittling them. that wasn't my take on it at all. and i didn't view his comment on not wanting 2 come home 2 someone whose xyz as saying sistas r xyz. honestly the only person i ever knew him being involved w/ was halle berry.
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streetdancer
Comment: Well I see why some Black women are still bytchin about Wesley's comment about Black women, it's because a lot of Black women fail to realize that some not all sistahs are pain in the A.zzes, mean, aggravating, unkind, silly, imature, greedy and unthankful. The brother was only speaking facts that most of the on this site know women that fit these descriptions to a tee.
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...What's wrong with liking a quiet woman?...A woman who carries herself like Miss Universe...A woman who won't argue 'bout fixing her man a plate and do so quietly...A woman who'll bring her man his slippers, fix him a drink also quietly? Who wouldn't want a woman like that...a,a,a, nice, quiet woman who smells nice and one that won't try to control the remote control...a,a,a, woman who'll run to the store and get the paper after she's fixed Sunday breakfast...(I'm gonna run outta this room now before ya'll loud women start cussing me out and start throwing sh1t at me)....LMBAO!!!!!!!
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katgrrrl
Comment: Okay, you go Wes. Doctor or honorary doctor, whatever, that letter was pretty tight. Ya know, the more I think about it, the less I care about Wes's comments about dating Black women. To each his or her own. I don't want to be with him, so... Now let that have been Denzel who made those comments!
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YLawdY
Comment: Doesn't matter to me. I just look at someone making those kind of comments like you would look at dude in front of Wal-Mart in a wheelchair, wearing one glove and an army hat (you know the one with the drawstring under the chin), holding a slurpy cup of change on his one good stump. Sorry for him, glad it aint me.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: The criticism of Snipes and Black women is largely tied to the aforementioned article and the fact that even in his movies, for the most part he is loathe to co-star with African-American women.
So the combination of the two seems to make a larger statement, than just the Ebony article alone. The article by itself could be perceived as innocuous in nature, but juxtaposed with his cinematic history and it's easily looked upon with a greater degree of skepticism.
I don't care who he dates, I just took umbrage at the dovetail of the legacies of Black social revolutionaries.
The only "common thread" is they all were indicted on tax issues. THAT'S IT. That's where the comparison ends in regards to Snipes.
All squares are rhombii, but not all rhombii are squares.
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KMJW
Comment: B00TANEB00TUS - Your post was on point; You brought me into remembrance of something my husband told me a while back...in the end, it's the small things that count and really hits home with most men. Sort of like the things you mentioned in your post. While this degree, that degree, nice body, nice face, or whatever "on-the-surface" feature can get a relationship going with a guy, it's the small things like listening to him tell how his day was, getting him something to drink without asking "didn't you just come out of the kitchen", and etc. Thanks for reminding me to do better than what I'm doing.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: so, BOOT, you want a Stepford-wife-type, huh? It's OK - but . . . that ain't real (laughing uproarously) want a blow-up doll? Wes is OK with me, tax hassles and all 'cause ain't nobody perfect - I would much rather see a man with the woman of his dreams than beating up the one he settled for
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KMJW
Comment: Streetdancer - Please clarify whether or not you believe this attitude and behavior is exclusive to African-American women.
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Name:
Calidee
Comment: >>>>> You crazy man.
The first thing that came to my mind when I read your post about a man wanting a woman to "bring her man slippers" and "run to the store to get the paper" is Why not buy a dog?
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Name:
B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: Yo...wait-a-minute, I was just joking with that last post...Ok, who just threw that pot at me?
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Five..my comments shouldn't be seen as an indictment of black women nor that they should shoulder the blame for our lack of "love" Considering that whenever there's a story about Wes the majority of black women say the same thing: He dizzed black women and I ain't liked him since. It's just a common myth that has unfortunately been perpetuated by---black women. Instead of reading what he actually said many black women just read what they wanted to see. So, since 19** that cycle has unfortunately repeated itself and women do bear a lot of that blame. The damage has been done and it's up to black women (at least regarding this) to get real.
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katgrrrl
Comment: BOOT, you're funny as hell! LMAOO!!!
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KMJW
Comment: Why is it up to black women to get real? Also to Calidee, Musbdherbs, what's wrong with bringing your man the paper (for me...it would be SOURCE or XXL magazine ;-) or getting him something to drink without complaining? I'm definitely not the one for doing these things which is my SINCERE thanks to BOOT for the post. What's so bad about pleasing your man as long as you don't have to lose your self-identity and integrity in the process? Why? Why is it a "challenge" per se for African-American women to take on this role? WHY? WHY? WHY?
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Timolyn
Comment: WOW....Dr. Wesley Snipes. Interesting, I did not know he had a Ph.D in something. Hmmmmm, I wonder what? I have not read any of the 91 comments yet. I bet this article will hit 200 by 2pm......lol
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khufu
Comment: WHATDAT is ignorant.....
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Name:
barnone
Comment: boot> sorry, i didn't cause an abrasion did i? i'm just a little frustrated. i just finished cooking this 4 course meal and my husband just called and said he's going 2 b home late...again. JJ lol boot u r sooooooo crazy!!! but here's a rag to wipe that spaghetti sauce off your forehead. next time duck.
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khufu
Comment: Oh boy...here goes the bitter Black women making this an issue about Black men and women relationships...this is about Wesley and whether he is guilty of Tax Evasion...get past the hurt and bitterness Black women and the molestation you might have suffered as a child.......
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Name:
barnone
Comment: khufu> where u been, missed u.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Okay he made references to historical figures not to compare himself in mission, purpose, intellect, etc but as prove that the US government has a proven track record of attacking and discrediting Black men........it is not beyond US agencies to discredit Black people who have influence ESPECIALLY those who are actively engaged in establishing positive relationships with African nations, companies and peoples.....
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khufu
Comment: BAR thanks and I missed you as well...but we are always connected in history, consciousness, spirit and LOVE.....
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Name:
yunvme
Comment: I've only really seen two movies with Wesley. One was "Waiting to exhale" and the other was with Saana Lathan (sorry cant spell her name or remember the movie name). Both are black women. I'm curious, in how many movies did Sidny Poiter have a black love interest?
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khufu
Comment: interesting that both Wesly and the brother from the hospital show (ER?) who was attacked for his "anti-homo_ remark are both brothers actively involved in Africa......
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Name:
yunvme
Comment: khufu- "hey dude". Yeah, thats what I was trying to explain. He wasn't comparing himself to them in that way. Some people dont read for comprehension.
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Name:
katgrrrl
Comment: I'd rather see Wes compare himself to those folks than R. Kelly. As if peein' on those girls wasn't bad enough... R. needs his head examined.
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khufu
Comment: Now has MORRIS O been this aggressive with attacking or investigating issues such as CONTINUED RACISM IN HOLLYWOOD? Has he attacked, investigated or criticized BET? His story was anti-Wesly and painted a picture that Wesley was guilty simply because there were allegations. DId he seek out Wesley's side BEFORE he wrote his Op-Ed piece about Wesley and the alleged tax invasion?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MORRIS....have you ever written a scathing indictment against R Kelly?
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: No, he was COMPARING himself to them. To equate his plight with theirs in terms of government targeting elevates his status to a level undeserved.
THOSE individuals are in a different stratosphere. No comparison and to bring them into the conversation was inappropriate. There's no worthy comparison other than tax "troubles"
Hell, Peabo Bryson has had tax troubles too...can't he make the same argument?
What about Ron Isley...isn't he allowed the same comparison then...?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: YUNV hey whazz up? Been good and well? I know youre prospering and loving life......
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Name:
yunvme
Comment: You know it..
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MOKELLY...Peabo was not involved in AFrican affairs in anyway. Peabo was not involved with what the government would term (white people rather): radical organizations. See, Wesly has a pro-Black position = international influence = money...white folks and the US government dont like that.......that is where the comparison is warranted
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Wes..if you are reading PLEASE don't respond again to this. KMJW..uhm..I'm not sure if we don't already agree.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Khufu...
This is a blog reprint of an article that ran here on EURWEB.com
http://mokellyreport.blogspot.com/2007/05/mokellys-gre atest-hits-r-ruhs-step.html
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MOKELLY your political and social consciousness is lacking...Wesly is a Black nationalist....certainly Peabo and Mr Big arent.......
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Name:
katgrrrl
Comment: Just for the record: I know that Wes ain't comparing himself to Jackie Robinson, Sammy Davis Jr., Robeson, Garvey, Ali, King, et al to say he's great like they are. From what I get of his comment, he's only speaking in terms of tax prosecutions.
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Name:
YLawdY
Comment: Sidney Poitier?
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Name:
tightendsport
Comment: I will post a visceral response:
I never forgot that ignorant azz magazine article where he meticulously dissected the flaws of Black women and celebrated what was so great about his asian tackhead girlfriend.
As a physician, the "Dr." salutation was a big pompous. Maybe Wes went to med school or got a PhD at University of Phoenix or some computer program or something.
The other folks you mention are icons (Ali, Roberson, etc). You were just at the right time (i.e. when women started paying attention to dark skinned brothers back when everything was about The Sylvers, DeBarge and big afros (yeah I'm dating myself) and your black azz was humping under the covers in Jungle Fever and was noticed. The vitriol cometh, Snipes... Whatever. Can't stand ya.
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Name:
yunvme
Comment: ...oh and I did see "White men cant jump" (one of my all time faves). He had a black wife in that one also.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MOKELLY and I am reading it again---why?
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Wesley Snipes "Black Nationalist"? You're reaching.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: You asked whether I've ever done a "scathing" piece on R. Kelly.
Just answering your question.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Meticulously dissected the flaws of black women vs. asian "tackhead" girlfriend. I guess the later racially motivated insult is appropriate? *shruggin shoulders*
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Name:
khufu
Comment: WHen one receives an honary doctorate, they can use it....i dont think he should have but i think he was making a point.....one) what does it matter what sanction white folks give you? SUNY at Purchase gave him an Honary degree---a white institution and still he is a hated Black man by white folks and Black folks.......bottom line is: yall Blackk folks gon hate a brother no matter what LOL Black folks gon take another Black person down no matter what---no matter how entertaining he is or how dedicated he is to helping Black folks...yall will participate in your own oppression...and the sistahs who are hurt, bleeding, bruised? Wesly could get on a damn UFO and his innocence procalimed by God...YALL will still stay: yeah "but did you hit her?" or "Yeah, but you like white girls"
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YLawdY
Comment: Trivia: "Despite the fact that he does not often acknowledge it, he did attend the State University of New York at Purchase. As the most famous alumni of this school, he joins the other notables SUNY Purchase graduates who include: Parker Posey, Sherry Stringfield, Melissa Leo, Stanley Tucci, directors Hal Hartley & Nick Gomez, and producers Todd Baker and Bob Gosse. He left Purchase and transferred to a school in Florida, where he graduated with a BFA in 1985."
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MOKELLY---was R Kelly guilty according to you now and according to your piece?
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Yeah, give "Dr. Blade" a break. We're being too hard on him.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MOKELLY and if Wesly is found "Not guilty"" what will your position be?
Are you aware of his "para-military activities" alleged by folks in Georgia several years ago?
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: I never equated him to be guilty...I said in the piece that R. Kelly will never be "accused of having good judgment...just accused of being a pedophile" or something to that fact. Didn't take a side per se.
In my pieces on Dr. Blade I specifically asked him to address 1999 - 2004 and other missing pieces of information. The absence of that information is not a rush to judgment on my part. He's responded and still not acknowledged the absence. I'm free to form any opinion at this point as all of us will. I've spoken, he's spoken, now let's compare our notes. If you visit my blog I've posted links to the original indictment, his motion and this response by him...that's about as fair as anyone can get.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: If he's found "not guilty" I will look at the fullness of the case.
"Not guilty" doesn't mean "innocent."
The Truth of OJ Simpson doesn't reside in the verdict. A different jury could have found a different verdict, but the truth doesn't change.
If he's found "not guilty" then wonderful for him, this isn't personal.
The piece was satire, he chose to respond.
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khufu
Comment: MOKELLY Wesley had several acres of land down in Georgia in the vicinity of land formerly owned by Imam Isa/Dr. York.....when Wesly was making the film ART OF WAR, they were attacking him because of his "para-military group" that was on his land...they were practicing martial arts.....I say he is a Black nationalist because he is a person committed to certain Black "causes"...again......why do you think he was in Africa?
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Name:
B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: What's up khufu?...I thought you left the fold...Welcome back...Thanks for the towel barnone...mmmm, that sauce is pretty dayum good...C'mon KMJW, you're about to get me run outta here...Now an Asian woman wouldn't be throwing sh1t at me...(I better stop)...later ya'll
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Name:
khufu
Comment: See MOKELY that's part of the problem...in your mind then and now you believe the brother was guilty and you just implied it..."Not Guilty doesn't mean innocent" YT said it so it must be true.....LOL...sad..and then you used OJ..so you obviously believe OJ was guilty? Why?
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KMJW
Comment: khufu that went off and struck a nerve with some and I'm loving it. Why is it that the African-American race consistently takes pleasure in the unfortunate happenings of other African-Americans? Guilty or innocence - it hurts to be criticized from within despite whatever front a person can muster up?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: BOOT peace and love brother
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: No, I believe that a verdict either way doesn't connote truth.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MOKELLY was Marcus Garvey guilty?
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: struck a nerve? With whom? Just answering questions.
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Name:
KMJW
Comment: khufu - stop the madness...you know dang well that OJ killed them people...
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MOKELLY In your mind, is Wesly guilty? In your heart--is he guilty?
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: I'd have to look at the "charges" but probably "guilty" in terms of the law, but not righteousness. King was "guilty" in terms of violating segregation law...but "truth" says otherwise.
Like I said, a verdict doesn't mean guilt or innocence, only speaks to whether ALL charges levied have been proven within the guidelines set forth.
That's why OJ was found "not guilty" in a criminal trial and "guilty" in civil proceedings. The truth didn't change but the standard of proof did.
Your logic is lacking.
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Name:
yunvme
Comment: KMJW- just curious, but why are you so certain that OJ "did it"? Was it the evidence that was submitted by the racist LAPD?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: KMJ no I dont. I heard from folks who live and work out there that MAFIA did it and it was drug related as she was involved in the drug market.....
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: I "believe" Wesley has/had some knowledge that his IRS "dealings" weren't above board. As to what extent, who knows. But by "law" he's responsible for what his preparer submits on his behalf...of that I'm sure. Any tax professional will echo that fact.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MO you mentioned OJ in relationship to Wesly...not I....I was found Not Guilty and you made mention that Not guilty didnt necessarily mean innocence..therefore I deducted that you meant (in answer to my question): If Wesly were found not guilty or innocent it didnt mean he did not commit the crime...I dont see illogic on my behalf......
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Name:
khufu
Comment: wMO why did you write the Wesly story? DO you feel that your story indicted him? Was it an OP-Ed or investigative journalism or a feature?
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Name:
Timolyn
Comment: KHUFU....he's back. I've been out of the loop. I love to read KHUFU, DCGC and BOOTS comments. I love you guys.....(sniffing...reaching for a tissue)
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Name:
KMJW
Comment: yunvme - No, it wasn't the evidence submitted by Mark Furhman and yes I did see on live television that the glove didn't fit therefore they had to acquit. But I still get this feeling that OJ did it...maybe it's because of how he acts now and the things he does.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MO why do you "believe" that he did? a gut feeling? or do you have some "facts" to substantiate your believe? Or was it from the "self-hatred, tear another Black man down when a white men is on his azz syndrome?"
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: To be succinct, I don't believe the "outcome" of any case...equates to truth.
Genarlow Wilson was found "guilty"...but it was an unrighteous law and sentence. I can't mix court decisions with truth. There's the truth and what you can prove, not necessarily overlapping ideas.
If the government doesn't prove its case adequately, Snipes wins...but that doesn't change my feeling that there was genuine knowledge of wrongdoing PRIOR to the IRS indictment.
Snipes wasn't proactive in addressing the issue, they had to go get him. That says alot too.
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Name:
yunvme
Comment: Morris- OJ was found guilty in the civil trial not because the standard of proof is different. Its because white people were NOT going to let that n1ggER get away with anything (in most of their minds they think he did it) To believe otherwise is naive.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: why do Black folks believe what bad sheet white people say about other Black folks?
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: I "believe" irrespective of race that you don't run a business for 10 years and have no idea that such misdoings in a TAX related sense are going on without your knowledge. That's what I believe.
That doesn't have to do with race, the government, etc. it has to do with reason and common sense.
This is not something where someone can REASONABLY claim ignorance.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: As for "facts" read the indictment, the motion and such...make your own determination from there. I did. I asked why he didn't file, I got no answer.
That's not reasonable to me.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MOKELLY WHY WHY WHY do you "genuinely" believe that Wesley was guilty (even in his awareness)?
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: THIS is not a race issue, it's a facts issue.
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: Totally off the subject, if you are looking for a good read this summer, pick up Casanegra by Blair Underwood
(is the brother working different angles and looking good in the process or what - oops, I digress), Tanarive Due and Steven Barnes. It is a sexy murder mystery and true page turner.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MOKELLY I hear you but has there ever been a time in your life when reason and logic didnt necessarily equate to truth?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: see you did it again MOKELLY...."it's not a race issue..." proves the point......
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MOKELLY do you really actually take historuy into account when you write and/or analyze a situation?
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Name:
yunvme
Comment: Morris- but who knows the facts at this point? All we have to go on are the motion and accusations.
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Name:
Fantastic49
Comment: "Who wouldn't want a woman like that...a,a,a, nice, quiet woman who smells nice and one that won't try to control the remote control...a,a,a, woman who'll run to the store and get the paper after she's fixed Sunday breakfast" -- BOOT, you are craaaaazy!!!! that was hilarious, i could hear you. not worth writing much on wesley, he's sad. good 4 you 4 getting a response, Mo! Every black woman is not bitter, but a lot of us are hurt and i think it comes out as bitterness. if we really heal ourselves and always take care of ourselves FIRST, everything else will fall divinely into place.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MOKELLY...can you write something about how HOUSE OF PAYNE does harm to Black folks by perpetuation negative buffoonish sterotypes...and how is sets back standards on entertainment criteria for Black artists? Will you look into that?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MOKELLY can you write about how in 2007 most of Black entertainer's wealth is still managed, maintained, etc by white Jews....can you write about that?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MOKELLY did you write about the great Ousmane Sembene when he died?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: YUN no he doesnt know the facts...he knows what white people have told him and trained him to "believe."
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: I'm not sure about Wesley, but I
do believe that Marcus Garvey was railroaded by the government and betrayed by his own people. He had too much influence/power and they had to discredit/destroy him.
Wesley comparing himself to Garvey, King and Malcolm is a bit of a stretch, but he's trying to establish a pattern and raise a potentially legitimate question when all things are considered. That is the way the legal system is supposed to work. Would you have him throw up his hands and give up all that he has worked for?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: great point GINGER and within that context MOKELLY might be in the betrayal classification whether intentional or not....
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Khufu...I've done so many articles on negative imagery in media, it's not funny. I have a weekly column not a daily. My subjects and articles are limited in a time-sense. Your questions are best answered by better researching me. My editorial record is available for everyone to see on this site and on my blog.
www.mokellyreport.blogspot.com
I gotta get back to work, but will be on here later in the afternoon.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Lastly...yunvme...
The response for Dr. Blade was the opportunity to provide some of these "facts"...for whatever reasons, he did not.
Either you filed or you didn't. That's a pretty easy fact to deduce.
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Name:
yunvme
Comment: Why cant/dont you address him by his name?
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Name:
Grace
Comment: to: Boot] There's nothing wrong with that as long as the man isn't verbally, mentally, and physically abusive.
to the person who provided the link] I didn't see it as him dissing Black Women. All this time, Black women made it sound like he specifcally said "Black Women". The Black women chose to read between the lines and assumed he was talking about them. In every race you have women described in that link. White men calls it nagging. Alot of white couples are getting divorce too. It just that some white men choose to kill their wives like Tara Grant.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Peace Mo Kelly.....and to the sistahs who cant let it go regarding Wesley and women.....as zealously as you keep condemning Wesly.....
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Name:
khufu
Comment: condemn the sistahs who participate in their own subjugation and exploitation in strip clubs and music videos and porno.....condemn white men who have historically and systematically raped Black women literally and figuratively.......condemn the religious organizations that are sexist and oppressive of women.......raise your daughters like women and not soon to be sex objects........
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Name:
archcookies
Comment: I Declare Morris Kelly! Are you insighting a riot up in this thread?
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Name:
My2Pennies
Comment: sophiasophiasophia, JD didn't fall off the face of the earth (altho I wish he had) lol. I brought his name up because he was involved with Snipes in co-producing his Blade Trilogy. I believe he's still involved in movies. I just know the LAPD either strong-armed him into snitching on a former associate by wearing a wire or had something on his flat azz to cause him to do it....hence the warning to Snipes to watch his back if he's still involved with JD.
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Name:
Train
Comment: Dr. Snipes. What school did he earn his doctorate at????
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Name:
My2Pennies
Comment: Wesley graduated from State University of New York-Purchase (SUNY), where he studied theatre and dramatic arts. He also earned an Honorary Doctorate from SUNY in Fine Arts.
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Name:
archcookies
Comment: The owner of an honorary doctorate is given the legal right to use "Doctor" before his or her name, it carries the same title "Doctor" that’s used for a regular degree. Now here's the thing I got this from a website where you can buy your honorary degree. That to me is empty and vain. That's where Dr. Blade got full of himself..he used a title that he did not put any work towards achieving and who knows he could have paid them.
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archcookies
Comment: If u want a Dr. before your name here's the web address: http://www.cosmoedu.net/hcproject.html
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My2Pennies
Comment: While honorary degrees may be empty and vain, tons of people receive them every year especially celebrities. Even Oprah received one last year. So while Snipes has the right to use the title Dr., he probably should of been more humble.
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archcookies
Comment: >2Pennies, I do think it is an honor when a university chooses you for an honorary degree. I agree that he was being a little crass in using the title in reference to himself. I think he wanted to show some legitimacy to his letter it just left this reader a little cold.
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leeneepoo
Comment: Hey FAM>>someone clarify something for me. I just finished reading the article on the web (1997)..a while back we had another discussion about Wesley and alot of the posters on the board was saying that he said he would not date black women. Was this the article everyone was speaking of? or maybe not?...What I gathered from the article I just read was: I don't blame him about his attitude at that time or in the right here right now...who wants to come home to agruments and s.h.i.t.....I would enjoy getting my man a glass of water even though he may have just left out of the kitchen..those things does not bother me one bit. Because you could rest assured that he would be deserving of all the attention that I will give to him because there will be receprocity in the committment...I would not have it any other way.
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TheBrownOne
Comment: Khufu, yunvme, and other like minds....thanks for challenging the misguided conventional wisdoms and emotional whims of people like Mo Kelly....good comes from them too, because just like Imus, at least Mo Kelly sparked this healthy dialogue. I just don't understand why Kelly and the likes are so hell bent on Wesley proving whether he filed or not in this EUR forum("Kelly wins cause Snipes is guilty"). That idiotic (not slanderous, but in the literal meaning of idiotic) statement says it all. Speaking of pompous! What on earth is the judge to do if we do all the work here. Furthermore, what in the world is the supreme judge to do if we all continue the barage of moral indictments that we keep leveling on our brothers and sisters. Where's the compassion? The government has plenty of misspent dollars without missing Snipe's lil bit. If he did break he law, there's a penalty he will pay...he's not killing people, or stealing, or raping the youth...it's personal situation with our rogue government....MO, maybe you should call all criminals, cheats, and non-perfect people to task like a witch hunt headed by you and the rest of the self-righteous committee....Would the one of you writing all this hate that has a credit score over 800, that has never gotten a parking or speeding ticket, never owed anyone, never broken any law, nor mispoken, and have faithfully tithed according to your respect beliefs since 94, Stand up Continue to Write, while the rest of you "MO" fos Stand the hell down....and pray that we all learn to do better by having compassion for our fellow man.....Wesley Snipes, you are great beyond your flaws...thanks for having the courage to stand up....good luck
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musbdherbs
Comment: I have no probs w/any person using the honorary title given to them. It's theirs and I see no issue w/being "humble" if you decide to use it. Leeneee..the article O'Kelly posted is the exact article that has followed him since 1997. Whenever you hear of his dislike of black women..it is referring to this one.
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xavixavi
Comment: I said it and Mo gave examples, but let's be clear
Guilty verdict means that the prosecutor gave enough evidence to make the jury believe that someone committed a crime.
Not guilty means the prosecutor didn't prove anything.
There are enough cases on both sides of this to show that Guilt doesn't necessarily mean the person did the crime, and not guilty doesn't mean that they are innocent.
Look at all the DNA exonerations.
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xavixavi
Comment: mo.
Your reference to rhombuses sounds like how I write.... talk about left field:)
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deedeeVon
Comment: Interesting. My brother has been married to a White woman for 5 years now. The first few months were "bliss", (his words). Suddenly, she became a bit fatigued, then she was dignosed as having chronic fatigue syndrome. Now she suffers depression and cannot cook, clean or have sex because she also has endometriosis (at least that's what she tells him). Look, all I'm saying is that the grass in not always greener, as a matter of fact, my cousin and my brothers (closest friend) just told me that my brother is trying to get back in touch with his old girlfriend (black) to see "what's she's up to". There house is a disaster and she has done a complete 180.
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: Leeneepoo, yes this is the article that women claim Wesley so disparaged black women. When I first heard about it back in 1997, I read and re-read it and still did see the big whoop! I think some women projected mroe into the article than what was said and as Mo Kelly brought up the roles he played in movies with black women. You know Jungle Fever, Mo Better Blues, Disappearing acts etc. kinda served to indicate he may have had a problem with women, of course I just thought it was acting. If you really what to see some negative ish about black women from a black man go read the 1972 article from Wilt Chamberlin---he said that black women were uneducated, knew nothing about art and he wanted a woman who had been exposed to the finer things in the world, black women had not. NOW that's negative talk about black women.
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deedeeVon
Comment: I grew up around white people and white women are the worst drama queens. White men know that but black men seem to put them on a pedestal for some reason. Maybe self-hatred?
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Name:
katgrrrl
Comment: Khufu: I can honestly say that I have missed your bean pie flavored posts! Good to have ya back! And you are one hell of a debater! DAYUM!
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: deedeeVon, I don't think it's self hatred, simply the media at large and white men put white women on pedastals in front of black people for hundreds of years. They made everyone believe that white women were special. Even now there is a constant campaign of white women is better, white looks are better, it is marketed to all people of color, luckily more and more people have examined at bit of propaganda and found it the bullshyt that it is.
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FiveMore
Comment: SweetieDarlin>That is so very true!I hope that black guy didn't do nothing to that woman in Canton,Ohio BECAUSE I'm already tired of the news coverage!OJAY 2007!!!Damn a missing black woman or girl lost in America/abroad!Pitiful!
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TheBrownOne
Comment: Just food for thought...bigotry is when we say that an entire group of peope by race or culture all act one way....this isn't true for any group....Muslims, Black Men, White women, catholics, methodist, buddhist,southerners, new yorkers, entertainers, athletes, etc....there individuals that differ withing each group obviously,however, there are similarities bred by cultural and social environments that link certain groups together and if we rated all the women of the world and gave an award to the least likely to serve, cook, and bring the beer me from he fridge without any lip of the following...which would you pick in an informal poll.....Latin women, asian women, european woman, african women of the carribean, arabic women, african women, or african-american women......huh? just asking...and for the record, i'm 36 and have never been with anything but a black woman and plan to keep that way...so don't go there.....just humor me with a answer....
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Maqueen
Comment: I'D LIKE TO SEND A "SHOUT-OUT" TO ALL THE BLACK PEOPLE WHO LOVE AND ACCEPT THEMSELVES! And sistas, don't trip if certain black men don't like us. If someone is offering up negativity, how can they possibly uplift? ALL WHO LEFT COULDN'T STAY....ALL WHO STAYED, COULDN'T LEAVE.
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Cecelia
Comment: U got a black belt Mo'K, just whoop Wesley's a$$ and call it a day. LOL!!!
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musbdherbs
Comment: lol@TBO..well we already know the answer to that question. Afro-American women!..lololol deedee..There probably is a small segment of black men who suffer from some sort of self-hatred which results in them always seeking non-black women. But, I doubt that it's anywhere close to the majority. I believe that it is the insecurity of black women which makes them believe that black men 'put them on pedestals.' I would hope that all black men put their girlfriends/wives etc. on pedestals irrespective of race.
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Angel
Comment: Although you have every right to, I think it's tacky to call yourself Dr. based on an honorary degree...but that's just me.
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Name:
HoyaQue
Comment: interesting response by Wesley. Articulate and clearly written by his PR people. but people are demanding information about certain details that would damage his case in court. why would he do that? that's just counterintuitive. to me, the point of the article was to say i'll have my day in court when all the facts will come out, until then don't pass judgement. then again, i may be oversimplyfing things...
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: It's considered "questionable" to actively take the title of "Dr." if you only have an honorary degree.
In fact, it's "inappropriate" to refer to yourself as "Dr." even though all lawyers have a law doctorate..."Juris Doctorate" and by "title" they are "doctors" as well. But you don't see lawyers using it. It's not smiled upon.
It's not "incorrect" but it's not smiled upon either.
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yunvme
Comment: I always thought that honoray degrees were just not given to anyone. If you have extensive life experience or work related experious/hands on- then you could be given one. Anyone know the deal on those degrees?
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: I meant "juris doctor"
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Kewlazzbro
Comment: My Brothers & Sisters;
First off…I’d like to applaud Brother Snipes for having the courage to respond in public to allegations regarding HIS private affairs. While his affairs have been brought before the public because of his celebrity status, they are still very much a private affair to which he should be entitled the privacy to handle without fear of public prosecution. Have we all forgotten a man is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by his peers?
We all can respect the right to freedom of speech, and press, but we know that in today’s society journalist do not always report FACTS. Their judgment is often cloudy in order to capitalize on another person short-falls, to create news worthy story for publication.
Brother Snipes articulated his response to these allegations with class and dignity, and courage. We all have skeletons in our closet, and things we would not like to have people speculating their opinions about in private or public. Let us be not forgetful of the old biblical proverb “He who is without sin cast the first stone”. Are we as a society throwing stones?
In conclusion Brother Snipes…continue to fight a good fight, and remember they prosecuted Jesus Christ, and he was the Savior of the World. Be of good courage and know not everyone share the opinion of Brother Kelly.
Respectfully,
Tony Shorter
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Uh Mike Tyson has an honorary doctorate...I rest my case.
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Name:
yunvme
Comment: honorary
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: Well spoken, HoyaQue, well spoken....and to the doctor thing....why would all of these illustrious universities bestow honorary doctorates on folk if they didn't want them to ever mentioned the titles out loud, on a letter or in an EUR forum....huhhhh....just a thought....i thought it was a nice punctuation to a well written response...as if to say back at ya idiot.....hell, Mo Kelly called the man studid without even having the facts straight (all you have is one side, MO)...FACT....why should Snipes needed to be humble to Mr. Kelly in this case.....many people through titles, and letters, and their organizations around with pride.....to use Dr. in front my name as a title given to me because a university felt i deserved it as a punctuation to a response letter to someone who unapologetically called me stupid is hardly pompous....
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Name:
cookyd
Comment: Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah-
Signed Dr. Wesley Snipes.Negro Please!!! it's only an opinion.
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Name:
justafu
Comment: First & foremost BIG PROPS TO MO FOR BEING FAIR MINDED & PUBLISHING THE LETTER! That's what real men & real black folks do! Second, I thought his respsonse was very well written & brought out some good points but still the white folks wouldn't be after him if something SHADY hadn't gone down... but we'll see!
And finally: MO PLEASE TELL "YOUR FOLKS" THAT WESLEY WAS NOT THE ONE THAT WENT UP SIDE HALLE'S BIG AZZ HEAD BACK IN THE DAY. WORD IS IT WAS PRETTY BOY CHRISTOPHER WILLIAMS WHO WAS MAD AT HER FOR SUPPOSEDLY STEPPING OUT ON HIM WITH WESLEY OR WHOMEVER!!! PEACE.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: The ONE point missed through ALL of this...is that if "Dr. Snipes" wanted the "facts" to come out, then you offer facts in return. If he wanted to offer his side , then that's his prerogative.
My column was an editorial satire. If anyone wants to have a "factual" conversation, the jumping off point probably needed to be something other than a satire.
To respond to a satire makes a statement that only a few people have picked up on.
If you want me to make an informed analysis of his statement(s) and offer an editorial accordingly, that's fine.
But that wasn't the point of a satire. Those unfamiliar with the definition might want to refresh themselves.
Nevertheless, within the satire, there were fundamental questions that were not and still not answered, regardless of whether you think I don't/didn't have my facts straight.
Where are the returns of 1999-2004 and isn't it true that by law you're responsible for what your tax preparer submits (and that answer is yes).
Those are two fundamental questions at the heart of this discussion.
Either he filed or he didn't. I asked the question, no answer was given, satire or not...and THAT is a fact. We can debate the aesthetic and esoteric merits of a satire versus a lawyer-proofread soliloquy, but the FACT is that the questions still remain unanswered.
Mo'Kelly
www.mokellyreport.blogspot.com
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Name:
katgrrrl
Comment: How'd Mike Tyson get an honorary doctorate!? Must be in phys ed.
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Name:
yunvme
Comment: satire is a weird thing. In your mind while writing it you may have thought it was "satire". To the person who you are addressing/who you write about very rarely will they find the humor.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Dr. (as she is often referred) C. Delores used the title and I believe that her "doctoral degree" was honorary as well. IMO, the proper use of the title or it being inappropriate is irrelevant. It falls along the same lines as what is considered having class or not. Both are subjective.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Wrong Yunvme. Satire is...it just is.
Whether the recipient finds it funny is a subjective determination, but satire is not open for debate.
That's not even open to discussion. Once again, the definition of satire is inarguable. Of course, "humor" is often at somebody's expense.
But there's no misunderstanding to be had between "satire" an a serios Op/Ed piece. That argument doesn't hold water.
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yunvme
Comment: Argument dont hold water? huh? I'm just saying he prolly didnt find your piece funny.
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Name:
Angel
Comment: Musb - Agreed. That I why I said "I" think it's tacky. I only know of a few people who have honorary doctorate degrees. Most of them hang a plaque on the wall and giggle when someone calls them Dr. Except one woman. She had new business cards made and changed everything else to refer to herself as doctor BEFORE the ceremony. LOL She has always been tacky, so that's really where my opinion truly stems from.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Y - I agree he didn't find it funny. But if your or anyone's point was that I didn't have my "facts" straight, a "satire" is not built upon factual analysis, satire is farcical in nature. It just so happens he took umbrage and responded with a factual argument.
If the conversation requires it, I will gladly do the same and really pick apart the motion and his response. I had my say, he's had his, in whatever form we chose to have it. But a distinction should be made that comparing a "satire" to Dr. Snipes' rebuttal is truly apples and oranges.
The satire was only "seriously" trying to make two points, which I've referenced. If anyone was taking that to be a "well-reasoned argument" as to how/why Snipes is guilty has completely missed the point.
In all honestly, don't really care about guilt or innocence, that's why I find all this talk about "rushing to judge" so hilarious. There are glaring gaps and omissions, I made light of them (in an information and satirical way). That was it. It's not deeper than that. Snipes' response made it deeper than that.
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Kewlazzbro
Comment: My people…Where does it end? How relevant is it that Brother Snipes used the salutation of Dr? (Earned or Honorary). Brother Snipes made his point crystal clear that Brother Kelly did not have all his FACTS together, when reporting his story, and if you are going to express your opinion… keep your FACTS straight. That clearly was his point!
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Name:
CrazzeeGyrl
Comment: BOOT - isn't your post part of the lyrics to"Float On" by the Floaters?
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: LMAO@Angel. Well I don't know of anyone who has one..lol I think I'll give Wes a pass on this one considering that none of us even knew he had one and apparently hasn't referred to himself as such. I think it was more "back at ya" than self-aggrandizing. BTW, what's the big deal about him responding to an article someone wrote? It wasn't off-putting or incoherant but reasoned. If more celebs did that maybe we would think twice before passing judgments. At least you have that person's words and not what was reported by mediatakeout and tmz and some of those other silly sites.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Dear Kewlazzbro...
Feel free to look up satire in the dictionary.
Afterwards, please come back and explain where Snipes indicated he filed from 1999-2004.
You obviously didn't read my piece. It's a fact, still no response to that.
That fact is surely straight. Maybe you can answer where the missing returns are?
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Kewlazzbro
Comment: My Brother Kelly…I can not speak for another man, nor do I wish to engage in answering questions to which I clearly do not have the correct answer. Ask yourself…Is the piece you wrote true journalism, or is it a stab at attacking another brother? I can appreciate good journalism, and have read your story in its entirety…I am neither impressed nor pleased with what appears to be an attack of a good brother, based on one man’s opinion.
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TheBrownOne
Comment: well put musdbdherbs and mr. Mo Kelly you are a great forum instigator of conversation, but at least be consistent in your arguments...first you wrote the article using facts and called the man stupid, then you throw stones because the allegations to you are true as far you can tell, then you debate back and forth with bloggers on you're position and being right about everything without yielding once, then you say he just didn't answer the allegations to judge mo kelly so that must mean something, then you come at the end and give the satire versus OP/ED journalism argument as an alibi for your illogical and inconsistent comments throughout at the expense of making this brother's private look even worse to us than it really us (Kinda like Bill O'Reilly ish satire huh?).....Come on brother, you are better than that man......i hope
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Name:
Kewlazzbro
Comment: My Brother, The Brown One…Thank you for turning on the light of truth. One can not call themselves a journalist…sit on the fence of facts verse fiction.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Brown...I really don't follow your post. I read it a few times. I'm answering a lot of contentions from a lot of people in this forum whereas you are only answering one person. So not all things are specifically in relation to what you may have said...
I'm not sure I see how I'm contradicting myself.
There are some indisputable "facts" at play here. There has been no explanation as to the missing returns from 1999-2004. That is the overwhelming point of both my pieces..."either you filed or you didn't."
That hasn't been addressed on any level. Snipes said I oversimplified the racism contention...well yeah, it's a satire. I wasn't trying to dissect the whole 15-page motion.
The fundamental issue is very simple. Either he filed or he didn't. We can debate the subtle nuances of the 12 million in question, but the fact is...he DIDN'T proclaim his innocence, he plead "not guilty"...the legalese we've already debated on this forum as to what the distinction is.
As for the missing tax forms...until information is provided otherwise, those forms are still missing and worthy of being questioned as to their existence.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Kewlazzbro. I never called myself a journalist. So right there...your "facts" are flimsy. I made the distinction between an expose and a satirical op/ed.
But until you realize the difference, you are ill-prepared to categorize anyone as a journalist or otherwise.
The FACTS aren't on your side. Look up the definitions.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Kewl...
I've never written an expose for The Mo'Kelly Report. It isn't an Associated Press release, it's not written in Mervyn Block style. So right there, you're proving my point.
If I did an expose on the Snipes "scandal" then you can levy that criticism.
The Snipes satire was no different than my pieces on Brandy, Usher, or Bill Maher's various political "bits."
You must learn the definition of "journalist" before you can attempt to define what a "journalist" does.
Co-signing with Brown doesn't make you right. It only makes both of you wrong...in tandem.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Since when did anyone try to factually analyize Saturday Night Live or "The Jon Stewart Show"...exactly.
But if you want a factual discussion...
Feel free to unearth the tax returns from 1999-2004. Until then, y'all are proving my point.
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Name:
Kewlazzbro
Comment: My Brother Kelly…You just made my point! I am as ill-prepared as you where when you wrote you story…facts being you are not a journalist or otherwise. Just a man with a one-sided opinion standing in false judgment of his brother.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: I didn't judge him...I said without tax returns of 1999-2004...his A$$ is going to jail. Not making a value judgment...statement of fact.
If you shoot somebody tonight, your a$$ is going to jail too.
You could be a nice guy, but the crime in question demands jail.
And as far as a "one-sided opinion"...I made sure he had the front page of EUR.
I DID...so don't tell me this is one-sided.
Get YOUR facts in order.
He reached out to me, I wasn't required to give equal time or space. In fact, he had more space as my piece didn't set on the front page.
The facts aren't on your side.
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Name:
recognizelife
Comment: First of all, "Please Stop Trippin"...the fact the Snipes has an honorary Doctorate degree is not without merit. For example, Queen Elizabeth, who is in a position of honor, has bestowed the title of "Sir" and "Knight" to others like Paul MCartney and of course, once that title was given him he immediately started to use it. People started to recognize it. The institution that gave his this honor has the right to bestow such an honor on anyone they feel deserves it. There should be no lack of respect because he did not earn it academically.
These are titles given by men, so men can use them at their disposal.
Secondly, there is such a thing as a serious satire. Satires have been used for centuries in literary work to attack through irony, derision or wit (caustic in some cases) to expose a vice, folly or stupidity of others. Just because something is written in the form of a satire does not mean that it does not deserve to analyzed literally or pragmatically. Has anyone ever heard of Johnathan Swift or George Orwell?
The fact that Snipes, did not speak to the specifics of his case show that while he may or not have filed his taxes he is not stupid enough to say so on a national forum to which the prosecution has access. I don't blame him!
One of you made the point that his lack of affection for black women may have some how accelerated him being singled out. I hate to agree, but it could possibly be a mitigating circumstance.....Even though you see more and more of on tv, we are far from most white, asian or other groups accepting Black men with other than Black women......
Is he an Ojay? I can't say, but sometimes the choices we make do draw us unwanted attention....the kind that we wish we never had....
Snipes, u better have a good lawyer! Cause when the man comes for u, he's gonna empty both barrels.
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Name:
Exmun
Comment: MO Kelly, If you aren't a journalist (in any sense of the word) what EXACTLY do you do? I can totally accept your argument that your most recent piece was satirical. I will not debate the meaning of the word. I will accept your position as to it's satire versus fact approach. However, not all of your articles/musings on Wesley Snipes have been "satirical." I recall your first one being more of a fact-based article than the recent satire-based article. NOW, if you aren't a journalist.... and we can't (as you seem to imply) hold your feet to the candle and question whether you were aware of Wes' plea denying the charges... then I think you're now trying to have it both ways. And THAT is a bit unfair. You can't hide behind the cloak of satire (now) and yet still want factual answers (whether he filed the 1999-2004 returns). Sit on one side of the fence and be more consistent. FYI... I mostly agree with you on the question of the tax returns. But I am not as turned off as you in Wesley's silence on the issue (I'm an attorney). The matter is in active litigation, and it would be inappropriate to comment.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: And by the way...all "opinions" are "one-sided"...that's why they are called 'opinions.'
The fact that you have two opposing opinions to even consider on this occasion is a reflection of fairness on my part...
That's a fact. Going further, his statement ran without a competing rebuttal alongside it.
You'd be surprised at how many "journalists" said I shouldn't either give such space without response or stage in which for him to play to Black folks emotions.
I said my say, he said his...your conclusion is yours, but the platform was more than fair.
Find another media outlet who has given equal time in a similar situation or setting.
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Name:
recognizelife
Comment: Here! Here! Exum!
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Name:
Kewlazzbro
Comment: The facts about him going to jail may not be necessarily true either. It is my understanding that there are several contributing factors that will lead to a conviction.
You are not his judge or jury, so making the allegations just further proves my point. I can also tell that your arrogance may be a major factor in why your truth is distorted.
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Name:
giantsfan
Comment: Did Bill Cosby earn his doctorate????
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Name:
Exmun
Comment: Yes. Bill Cosby earned his doctorate in Education through formal schooling.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Exmun...I'm a writer. Plain and simple. I write columns to entertain, sometimes inform but "journalism" speaks to a specific form of writing which is devoid of opinion. It is about presenting the where, when, why, who and how (i.e. Mervyn Block style).
The Mo'Kelly Report is an op/ed piece. Nothing more. If it were accompanied by balanced exposes highlighting this or that with empirical data and interviews, THEN you're in the realm of journalism.
My work that has appeared in the L.A. Sentinel, Los Angeles Times, et. al are not "journalistic" works, they are works of a writer.
Not all writers are "journalists" but all journalists are writers.
Journalist/ism speaks to a specific and distinct from of writing.
The work I did for Hoopshype.com was indicative of journalism. That can be found online.
Think of it this way...Michael Moore makes films, not documentaries. Documentaries require specific unbiased accounts. Different criteria for each.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: I didn't make any allegations Kool, the IRS said he didn't file from 1999-2004.
Either he did or he didn't, but I didn't "create" those allegations.
Please refer to the indictment. That's available to the public.
Either he filed or he didn't.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: It is a FACT...the allegations INCLUDE "failure to file" from the years 1999-2004. Might I point you to my blog, it has a link of the indictment.
And you're saying I don't have my facts straight? C'mon...READ the indictment first before you get caught out there like that.
www.mokellyreport.blogspot.com
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Name:
Exmun
Comment: MO, given your statement of being a "writer"... don't you think it's a fair question to ask whether you were aware of Wesley's not guilty plea? Even if you aren't a journalist in the formal sense (your argument... I still disagree) aren't you still disseminating facts through your Op/Ed pieces? And should we still expect you to opine on the full body of facts that are out there on any given issue? Direct question. Did you know that Wesley Snipes filed a written plea of not guilty before you wrote you Op/Ed pieces on him? Either piece. When were you first made aware of Wesley Snipes' not guilty plea?
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Kewl...come back AFTER you've read the indictment and his motion in full.
THAT way, when you accuse someone of not having their facts straight, you'd at least have an informed opinion.
But until you read all of the ancilliary information, you're making your point seem pretty ill-informed.
Kinda hard to call someone ignorant of the 'facts' if you yourself haven't taken time out to review the material in question.
And um gone...
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Name:
justafu
Comment: Hey Mo in all fairness & correct me if I'm wrong but aren't they still investigating him so I'm sure his lawyers advised him to only say so much...right?
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Exmun...we covered the distinction between "not guilty" and actually being innocent.
You'll have to scroll up near the beginning.
As a lawyer you already know one is a plea, which speaks to the ability of a case to be proven, not actual guilt or innocence.
The case is adjudicated on the premise of the prosecution proving its case on the merits, not whether Snipes is "innocent".
Snipes has said not guilty...(intimation of "all charges). He could be guilty of some of the charges and still plead not guilty...it's an all or nothing proposition. You're a lawyer, you know the distinction.
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TheBrownOne
Comment: Mokelly, since you didn't get my post or understand why I mentioned your contradictions and inconsistencies, I would be happy to "simplify" one of my points and mention a couple more. You said "I don't really care if he's guilty or innocent", and referred to the forum's "well-argued" analysis of the legal perspective as funny and irrelevant. Yet you keep saying the point is "did he break the law by not filing" which warrants a well-argued legal comment even to make your "satire" seem logical. Breaking the law (which you now say is the issue) is a question of guilt or innocence in this country decided by a court system so how can make your point with no reference to guilt or innocence. How dumb would it be for him to make his case regarding his freedom in this forum before his court date....HELLO.... Furthermore, how would you feel if a non-journalist called you stupid and without knowing the facts of why you did or did not do something, people publicly attacked your credibility about skeletons in your closet (we all have them) or something you did wrong. How satirical would that be to any of us. I think it would be big of you to offer some sort of apology to the guy perosnally, since he did take to time to politely offer his response, unlike many other celebs that seem to be cussing out and drop kicking journalists. Maybe the fact that us intelligent bloggers don't get the studio journalist aspect of your satire any more than kids understand that rap lyrics like"beat that trick with a bat" don't actually mean to beat her. Maybe the guy did think you were funny and was very hurt by the that some black folk will kick you hard when you're down whether it's your fault or not. Peace to all brothers who have been locked up or have done wrong, there's is room for redemption and change. So, in the spirit of change and peace over confusion, Can you spare an ounce of compassion Mr. Mo and yield to some of the great opposing points in this forum, empathize with the brother's situation, or even just apologize your slanderous satirical attacks before the "CASE was HEARD" or was one of your exes a big "Blade" fan and you haven't gotten over it. (satire)
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Kewlazzbro
Comment: My brother…I say to you in fairness let Brother Snipes have his day in court, free from public prosecution and ridicule. He deserves a fair unbiased trail. Your attacks and impartial opinion helps to contaminate prospective jurors.
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khufu
Comment: MOKELLY are you gay?
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Uh, can't say I am. But you're free to assume as you wish.
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Name:
Exmun
Comment: Well said TheBrownOne. I respect (in the Mo' Kelly blog sense) your position Kewlazzbro. Musbdherbs has been on point most of the day.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: There's that "compassion" word again. It's an old debate and discussion in regards to my work. Musbdherbs will bring you up to date on that one. We're going in circles now.
His eventual court proceedings will be affected little by these discussions here...assuming his lawyers do their collective jobs. I would hate to think that MO'KELLY has THAT much juice and can sway the balance in a high profile federal trial.
Sorry, Mo'Kelly's not THAT arrogant. That's a fact.
'later y'all. Hit me anytime, you know I'll respond. We can pick this up again after the verdict...or settlement , if there is one.
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Name:
Fragrance
Comment: Dr. Smipes, meet Fragrance, the female character in my book. I think you'd like her and she's black. Peace out...but on the real, y'all up here, this is an interesting commenting board today!!! Lee Bailey, can we do a 'special' and have these folks in the audience, and do it up town hall style? Let us know how you can hook up the satellites...I for one want to 'see' who my fellow peeps are. MOKELLY, can you please be on that panel? Dr. Snipes, can you too? Babe, find out more about my book at www.princene.blogspot.com
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LAKat
Comment: My comment to ALL on this one: SHUDDUP!!
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onetruthseeker
Comment: First of all, it's amazing to see that a brotha like Mo (who's not even globally recognized like brotha Wes, trying everything he could to justify and disguise his cheap-attack on brotha Wes (who's recognized throughout the world). It's only pathetic to see brotha Mo vigorosly writing back to the comments made against him, being overly defensive in this forum...lol...Mo obviously proved it to us that he can't even take a small criticism on his "hands-down subjective"(he declares it himself) writing piece. In my opinion, Mo is a male version of W**** Williams. Don't feed us garbage, man~~ As a BLACK "writer", what are your contribution to our community and the young ones? Are you even aware of your own ?????? work and influence before you attack any one's dignity? At least, brotha Wes had a dignity to present himself in an appropriate manner. How many celebrity do we know who has spoken out for themselves in that way? As much as we all feel that we have right to say anything about other people's situation without the clear knowledge, brotha Wes has all the right to call himself with whatever title he has. Only the ones who are without doctrine(whether it's earned or honorary), or the ones without a "degree of attitude" would have a problem with it..lol... Even the honorary degrees are earned after certain amount of accomplishments and only the ones who feel confident and secure enough about their own accomplishment would call themselves with that title. I hope brotha Wes wouldn't be 2 wasted over this kind of a degrading piece of writing. Isn't that a known FACT that this society don't encourage brothas and sistas to speak out with an intellectual voice but encourage a sell-out brothas and sistas who front themselves to be intelligent representatives of the public voice in our black community who's doing nothing at all but carping and eating their own people's flash and bones. For what? They don't help at all to nourish our community to grow in light but to degrade as far as it could... It's a shame, brotha... You call THAT a fame for yourself???? Time to live out the true self in us. That's where the real power lies!!!
You are the courageous one, brotha Wes!
I'm living outside of the country at the moment, but people out here have mad love and appreciation for him and his work. You know what I'm sayin'?
Go on, brotha Wes! I'm with you, brotha.
One Respect in Peace~
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Uh, "Onetruthseeker"
You don't know anything about me, because if you did, I'm in EVERY forum in which I write something. So that lack of knowledge on your part is inexcusable...because as they say "you just didn't know any better."
And Snipes was accordingly acknowledged for speaking out...I guess you missed that part too. As they say, "reading is fundamental."
As a black writer, you asked what my contributions are? How about you actually read up on me...then you wouldn't even have to ask.
As they say..."ignorance is bliss."
So I'm going to help you out today. www.mokellyreport.blogspot.com
Or even google "Morris O'Kelly" and pay close attention, you might get all the answers you seek...that is assuming your moniker is accurate.
One Respect in Peace to you too.
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MelodyCool
Comment: Sexee, you said it all! We as Black women have no business giving a flying fcuk about Wesley Snipes. Tell him to go an appeal to his own people. Black women are on their own and the sooner we grasp this concept the better off we'll be.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: Evidently my words mean something. You responded and so did Wesley Snipes. Can't be too "pathetic" :)
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: I hear ya, iknowtheplans. He needs to scamper over to an Asian sight and leave this one alone. He's looking for sympathy in the wrong place here! Let his arse rot!
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reflection
Comment: I think that the letter was well written and thought provoking especially because he didn't name call, threaten etc. which is how some folks react when they are "called out" . Also, the more that I have read the Essence article over the years, I think that it may be open to interpretation whether Wesley was signifying that just black women had the negative traits that he mentioned in the article. However, that is a separate issue. The issue here is whether he willfully did not file taxes for years. Although it is curious that the situation could have occurred withouth his knowledge for several years, I will leave it up to a court of law to decide his guilt or innocence. I think that as others have stated, we a people can be very quick to rush to judgement and assume the worst about one another and that mindset is helping to sustain the divide between us.
peace and blessings
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MelodyCool
Comment: khufu, Wes was in an African country that didn't have extradition agreements with the US. He has "nothing" for Africa if you really want to know the truth. You're clearly proud of his distaste for Black women so don't get you panties in a bunch when we return the favor. Let those nonblack women shoulder his burdens. I'm glad Black women are truly waking up...I really am ;-)
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MelodyCool
Comment: khufu, stop trying to make up excuses because Wes got caught trying to be slick!!! Why do we suddenly have to buddy up cause we're all Black now...but you understand him never pairing with a Black woman. You're a damn hypocrite! The he11 with you and Wes ;-(
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TheBrownOne
Comment: Down Ms. Melody, maybe dating hasn't been that friendly to you, but newsflash, interracial dating happens for black men and black women. A lot of sisters out there are switching over because of some false lack of good men. To each his own if they love who they are with. Why are you so bttter at Wes when that's his perogative. There're plenty of us brothers out here that love real black women only. But holding the mirror up to you and checking out the tone of your notes indicates that you are the type of bitter butt that me, them, and Wesley are hoping not to have waiting at home after a long day, black, white or other......Wake up to that Ms. Melody.
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TheBrownOne
Comment: Plus, of all the movies I remember with Wesley Snipes, I only remember him with Black women.....which ones are you referring too......plus Snipes hadn't directed or cast any of these movies...but again Ms. Melody....One thing i can assure you of by the tone of your messages and not even knowing you is that, there definitely IS NOT a "happy" black man coming home to you everyday......hmmmmmm...you ever wonder why?
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MelodyCool
Comment: @khufu--->YUN no he doesnt know the facts...he knows what white people have told him and trained him to "believe.<--- They also trained Black men to love their dirty drawers but you don't have a problem with that. You're nothing but another hypocritical, fake azz down brotha. You don't fool me one bit!
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: deedeeVon, I hope that Black ex-girlfriend does not entertain the idea of getting back with your brother. Did he rub it in her face when he chose Becky? They NEVER accord the same treatment and respect to Black women as they do nonblacks. You can bank of that. I hope she's smart enough to know all this.
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TheBrownOne
Comment: In response to your comment on smart enough......ms. melody....are you smart enough to know that you can't isolate the problem of self hate for blackness as a gender issue......we need to "unlearn this poisonous thinking"....black people are collectively affected if women or men are mistreated, disrespected, or mis informed.....Your mindset is the problem not part of the solution.........
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: TheBrownOne, I could care less and have nothing to lose when it comes to your particular type. So I let it all hang out! Got it?
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: TheBrownOne, you got it all wrong. Once Black women come to grips with how most Black men feel about us...it's actually quite relieving. It's very painful for some of us to acknowledge the situation but once we do it's gonna be a whole new ballgame. De-natured Black men are teaching us plenty.
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TheBrownOne
Comment: to melody....My type....well ugh....I've never dated a white woman......(I'm handsome, built, intelligent and brown) and had ample opportunity.......so what would you mean by "your type", you mean one who struck a nerve in you, but telling you that you are the type of bitter butt that all guys black and white run from and that I guarantee by your words that black man is happily running home to you.....wow...the truth hurts huh......so stop infecting other sisters with your hate.........do yourself a favor and go out and show a black man some love today......even further, put one on the same high pedestal that you think you deserve be on....and while he's there call him "KING", even thought the web of deception has caught of few of us...call him "KING" none the less, because it's in him.......black man plus black woman =black family.......the problems of either affects the outcome.....period...
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: TheBrownOne, you and I both know Black men aren't remotely interested in promoting the Black family or community. In fact, they don't place the same value on Black/Black relationships as they do those where nonblacks are part of the equation. I merely ACCEPT the hand we've been dealt. It's only going to get worse because the men in our community "can not" love or cherish Black women or our offspring. Black women have to move past this and forgive Black men for this awful betrayal, but we no longer have to submit to your convenient "usage" when the chips are down either.
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Name:
TRock
Comment: MelodyCool>Do you own this site?????
Thank the Lord, ma' girlfriend ain't like you at all and by the way, we both are as brown as chocolate. I don't know which part of black community you came from, but you are far from where I was brought up. So don't you try to mis-represent the whole community? Drawing your own conclusion, reading inbetween the lines is on you but when it comes to projecting it on others, you gotta be careful. What I'm saying is...I'm so thankful that my girlfriend ain't like you(whether you are a black or white). You sure got some serious issue and I wonder why...just as TheBrownOne said.
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Name:
TRock
Comment: By the way, if you got a little time, look into yourself before spending time on faulting others. Whether he filed or not filed got nothing to do with us. That's his private business. To me, the verbal attack on others in public is more of a crime than not filing(that's if he didn't even). There ain't no bro I know who would just walk on by when another bro cursing at him to go to jail, out on the street? Ain't no way!!!! Bro Wes did the right thing. You gotta put the snakes in check. While I'm nobody to comment on your private affair, I love your work, man! One love!
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PHScott
Comment: All these people Wesley mentioned weren't "great" when the government was going after them. Johnson, Mays, Robinson and Ali were just athletes. Sammy, James and Paul were just entertainers. Garvey and Martin were leaders that they wanted to try and silence, and thus the only real great men on this list. The others were just affluent Black men who were targeted by the government because that's what they do. Don't forget to add Michael Jackson to that list... In Wesley's defense, we will not know until much later in life if he shall also become great. His current body of work may lead to future greatness. You never know...
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Name:
PHScott
Comment: I wish I would've written this on Thursday (it's now Friday). After reading through the myriad of comments on this subject, I must say that we as Black people in America are f*cked. Totally. You idiots have no idea what it takes to build and maintain wealth. You're too busy trying to make money to get some 22s for your car, or get the latest Sean John gear. You constantly criticize people for their mistakes like your isht don't stank. I believe the term for you is "hater". You all are too busy consuming and giving away your money- and power- to know what is really going on in the world. Buy property, invest in tangible %*$ets, and make your money work for you. Let your money buy the frivolities that you want in life. In short- STOP BEING STUPID!
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Name:
spookywhite
Comment: For those of you posting on some article written 10 years ago about Black Women-GET THE F*** OVER IT AND GET A LIFE!!!! IF YOUR %*$ IS FAT, OR DADDY WAS THERE OR ABUSED YOU, THEN GET SOME SELF LOVE AND THERAPY AND FIND A PURPOSE TO LIVE YOUR LIFE. THIS WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT WESLEY'S DUMB %*$ NOT HANDLING HIS BUSINESS AND HIS BULLS+++ DOCTOR TITLE. ALL THE BEST IN GETTING HIS MESS CLEARED UP BUT DANG, YOU WOMEN ON THIS SITE, WHO CAN ONLY GOSSIP ABOUT SOME DUMD S*** 10 years ago-get a life-if you so unhappy cause you "can't" find a black man-then ask Jesus to give you the courage to find somebody who might not be tall, dark and handsome-and you all wanna act like your christian and righteous. Get a life I tell you-life is short. Spend a tour in Iraq and you'll see what is F*** important. No wonder our people cant get it together. Willie Lynch was right about us.
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JD717
Comment: Pls be patient people b/c I have a lot of responding to do to all of the hatred and backstabbing. I've learned in this industry that when there is no news, people retract back to old news. Believe it or not I had never heard of Mo Kelly until an ex-colleague told me about this blog. Right off the cuff I concluded that Mo was a legend in HIS OWN MIND! I say that not because of what he is saying about Wesley Snipes but because there is enough hating out there and Mo is simply exacerbating every situation he discusses and thinks he's right about it all. Mo, pls explain to me why you originally wrote the story about WS? Why? Do you honestly believe you know all of the facts? Have you read the indictment in its entirety? Really done your research? If you had, the fact that he signed Dr. Wesley Snipes should never have been odd to you. As for you Archcookies, he didn’t pay for the doctorate, the school granted it to him legitimately. Call them and get your facts! Sighting some bogus website was just plain ignorant. And My2Pennies, why be humble when you are being attacked by individuals for no reason?!?!? When Howard University gave Oprah an honorary doctorate, did you say the same thing? As for everyone's comments about WS' 1997... I will repeat 1997 article in Ebony, if you read and re-read the article, he says nothing derogatory about black women. Read it again. There is not enough space to comment on each individual comment that I KNOW to be false so I will make a blanket statement to all of you who seem to have the time to be here but don't have the FACTS correct. I worked at Amen Ra Films for over 5 years. All of you who have done your research should know what ARF is. While there I worked with WS every single day and as an African-American woman I can give you the TRUE lowdown on the real Wesley Snipes. A lot of you are so offbase when it comes to him... especially you Mo. You said WS loathes to co-star with African-American women. Whenever he had creative INPUT, he was the first one to make sure African-American women (or women of color for that matter) were executives, directors and at times co-stars. Having creative INPUT does not mean having the final word. The problem is that the action genre does not make it easy for an African-American woman in Hollywood. It was not Wesley saying he did not want an African-American actress to co-star next to him, it was Hollywood… the director, the Exec Producer saying no. Is there an African-American actress out there who is known as an action star? He starred with Sanaa Lathan, N'Bushe Wright, Alfre Woodard, Vanessa Williams, Tyra Ferrell, Michael Michelle, Tracy Camille Johns. I could go on. This is laughable. Amen Ra Films was over 85% African-American women and women of color... all of whom he tried to elevate to levels that many Hollywood companies have never and will never even think about or even hire. He was constantly trying to push us up the "Hollywood" ladder to break that glass ceiling.
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Name:
JD717
Comment: At Amen Ra Films, Wesley fought for us… really fought for us. He turned down projects where women of color were not included but you haven’t read that, have you? Understand this, the tabloids print what they want. Negative press is the best kind of press! Oprah’s daddy writing a book she doesn’t know about, Dave Chappelle is crazy and paranoid, Chris Rock cheated on his wife, Kimora Lee Simmons is gay, so is Russell! You guys believe everything the tabloid writes! It’s NUTS! Sometimes you have to reserve your negativity and just watch the outcome. The funny part is that someone asked Mo, “what happens if he is NOT GUILTY?” Mo still can’t say anything positive. Nothing. Why? Have you and Wes had problems in the past Mo? I ask that sincerely because to me, you are attacking him like you have not attacked anyone before. There is no need to get defensive because I am merely trying to get to the point and move on. I really have been there during these times Mo and you are wrong about him. Truly. Did you read the blogs about Blade 2? He walked off of the set because there were no people of color. He walked off because the one woman of color was going to be portrayed in a negative light and he wasn’t having it. Do the research Mo! Why are you so adamant in crucifying someone you don’t know? Did your woman wanna leave you for “Dr. Blade?” We called him an X File… he is an incredibly intelligent brother who has done nothing but try and build us up as a people. No one has taken the time to learn about him. You read the tabloids and draw conclusions. Though fairness is never a part of it, try and look at things objectively. Stop listening to people like Mo Kelly who promote hate and negativity for no reason. Mo, have you worked with him? Do you truly know what he stands for? HELL NO YOU DON’T! Mo, did you make comments when Wesley was accused of impregnating a crack addict prostitute… the one in which he was found innocent?
Why is it so hard to believe that there are people out there who trust people who intentionally mislead those who trust them? Have you read about Ben Vereen and his tax problems? His manager who scammed him? What about Joe Louis? It happens people. It happens. Do the research! He did not elaborate on the facts Mo because he doesn’t OWE that to you. It will come out when necessary. It is not necessary for him to answer your questions as you are neither a judge or jury. You are such a researcher, so intelligent on every matter, did you ever stop to think that he CANNOT tell you everything!?!?! I cannot imagine feeling the arrogance you feel Mo. You honestly don’t listen to any other opinions because you feel as though what you think is correct. You are not a journalist or anything close to one. You are a brotha who started a blog that caught on. Your claim to fame. You answer the folks who agree with you and get extremely defensive with the ones who disagree with you. You overwhelm us with rhetoric…
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Name:
JD717
Comment: MelodyCool, I’m sorry but you obviously have been wronged by brothas or maybe men in general! You are nasty and bitter… and why? You’ve found a blog to attach yourself to and you think people want to listen to your complaining. We don’t! As I said before, you should do the research… TRock and PHScott are right… read their comments again. If you don’t want to do that, take it from someone who worked with the man for over 5 years. He’s down for our people. He’s down for the woman of color. He’s a good brotha. A damn good brotha. I know that first hand and until you’ve been there and walked in my shoes, don’t comment on stuff you don’t know! Please.
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Name:
onetruthseeker
Comment: Mo,
It's one thing to express your opinion...it's another matter to abuse your power to attack someone using your opinion in ONE WAYED AMBUSH. And when your targeted subject responses to your attack, you proclaim as if it was such a deal, or sign of winning a war of some sort.
The bottom line is that this is still a pending case...which has yet to go on trial. What are you to already draw your own conclusion and announce your verdict on a public board such as this one as if you know everything? Haven't you heard that one is presumed innocent until PROVEN GUILTY?
You stated "Either you filed or you didn’t. Either way…Wesley Snipes…yo’ a$$ is going to jail." It appears as if you hope he goes to jail whether he was guilty or not. Why would he go to jail if he filed? Why would he go to jail EITHER WAY?
Also you labeled the movie Blade series as mediocre vampire movies. What kind of professional acheivements do you have under your belt to label his movies as mediocre? How many people in the world would recognize your name? Have you produced something that would contribute a few hundred million dollars to your industry?
I'm writing this only because you're wrong and it's right thing to do...not because I think you are great and I feel I need to respond to you.
You proclaim youself to be a journalist...but it is hard to take you seriously. Do you really see yourself as a respectable journalist?
Did you know that you used word "A$$" over five times throughout the entire article attacking Mr. Snipes?
Your article was not entertaining nor informative. You simply used it to show your readers that you have power to attack Mr. Snipes on cyberspace behind your computer (when he is apprantly not in his best shape) thus giving you and your readers (you wish) FALSE sense of empowerment.
Mo, if you were even just mildly talented journalist, you could have expressed your opinion and made your points well taken...without using the followings...which was unnecessary, unprofessional, and UGLY.
Mo wrote:
...Guess not…because he knows…his a$$ is going to jail...Either you filed or you didn’t...Either way…Wesley Snipes…yo’ a$$ is going to jail...And in the end it’s a moot point…Wesley Snipes, yo’ a$$ is going to jail... Wesley Snipes…yo’ a$$ is going to jail...Thoughts and prayers to Blade, because…yo’ a$$ is going to jail.
What made you so bitter?
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: Thanks One and JD, because even though MO is just a symbol of the misquided insensitive media abuse that unfairly ruins the peace of mind of many brothers and sisters "in the news". To me, many of you articulating your intolerance for this type of crap and having the courage to stand on the side a brother of color in fairness and in the spirit of humanity whether he's right or wrong is very inspiring. WE need to vigilantly respond with the same fervor to all media outlets that unscrupulously manipulate the truth or peoples minds at the expense of our people. I pray that this has been a learning experience for Mr. Mo Kelly because I'm sure he read all of this. Hopefully he will find the courage (since he doesn't like the word compassion) to step up and do right by Brother Snipes considering I've never read anything about Mo having a badge, a judges robe, nor an all seeing eye. Plus, Mo keep in mind that your not that big to change his case as you said, but the point of the matter is that even our SMALL voices collectively make all the difference in the world......SPEAK WISELY......
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Name:
FiveMore
Comment: Okay,I really liked Wesley in the Blade series-they show Blade almost everyday on movieplex! And,this is from a non-bitter black woman!lolPeace!
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: JD717, I think you're Wes and I'm glad to know you can finally see what we really think of you. Go back!
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Name:
JD717
Comment: Well MelodyCool, if I'm Wes then you must be Mo's bitter girlfriend... makes sense because you swear you run this site! Stop speaking for everyone else and speak for yourself!
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Name:
JD717
Comment: Melody-Oh-So-Uncool, now that I am thinking about it, why would you think Wesley would pretend to be someone other than himself when he wrote a letter to Mo and signed his REAL name? I hardly think he would find it necessary to do so. Again oh bitter one, you are incorrect!
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: JD717 aka Wes...don't worry about what being said here. Certainly there are plenty of Asians and whites that will ride to your rescue. You're done!
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