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prettieyez
Comment: Poor Angie she just can't get a freaking break. She adopts children she get criticized she play a freaking person in a movie she get criticized. What difference does it make???
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Taurusingr
Comment: I for one appreciate & respect Jolie for her aweareness & genorousity, Not enough PEOPLE WITH THE MEANS, Do what she & brad do for children abroad!!!... And i also understand PEARL herself "SIGNED OFF" on this.... But JOLIE is straight trippin when she tries to deflect the ISSUE, which is (IN my opinion)...HOW ARE BLACK PEOPLE USUALLY DEFINED!! It should havve gone ANY OTHER WAY except HER WAY!!! I mean when a person has 1 drop of black blood, THEY RE CONCIDERED BLACK!!! all day everyday!! they never take the time to BREAKDOWN THE PERCENTAGES!! This story is about a BLACK person PERIOD & there for should ve been play by a BLACK PERSON!!! Further, with the lack of GOOD ROLES for BLACK ACTRESSES to play....You d think a script like this would AUTOMATICALLY go to a SISTA!! Yet once again, CLEOPATRA IS WHITE!!!....I would ve loved to have seen this role gone to Thandee Newton or Halle for that matter!!! There are plenty more APPROPRIATE ACTRESSES in hollywood who could ve, SHOULD VE played this character but once again.....CLEOPATRA is WHITE!!! P.S. Why DOES hollywood go out of the way to portray OUR STORIES by casting OTHER PEOPLE!!!! hmmmmm? The difference it makes(if U wanna know is) Another,,TOO MANY SISTAS are IGNORED as it is for roles that aren t Specifically BLACK roles!!! You d think a role about a BLACK woman would DEFINITELY go to A BLACK WOMAN!!!! When is the deal big enough to address???
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NJBLKGUY
Comment: What does white people dressing up like pimps and hos have to do with ANgelina Jolie protraying this character, especially if she isn't dressed as a pimp or ho. Secondly, if Pearl herself gave her approval, why all the balk? If the approval hadn't been given, I would see more of an issue.
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NJBLKGUY
Comment: Taurus- why do you view this as solely a Black role and not a role of someone of mixed heritage? I would tend to agree more with choosing someone naturally of mixed heritage. But as I said above, if Pearl herself agreed with Angie, then so be it.
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Stuckinthe70s
Comment: Its called nepotism, folks! Had Angie not been with Brad, she would not have been cast in the role. But as she was, its not new. Black folks get cast in white roles all of the time. You know Hollywood don't write roles for us! I see no problem If Ms Pearl did not, neither do I.
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prettieyez
Comment: I totally agree, Ms Pearl approved the movie. So what's all the flack about, huh? If it had been a dark skinned sister, people would be complaining they should've gotten a light skinned sister to play her. IMO Angie does resemble her with the make up and hair.
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tightendsport
Comment: Really, though...who gives a shyt? There is so much more going on in the world...Truth, most "folks" don't even know who this woman is portraying and what the story was about. I do, but most don't.
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ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: TIGHTEND....Yep that's about the size of it. But seriously, (and excuse me for speaking out of ignorance), but who exactly IS Ms. Pearl?
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REDDOG
Comment: Excuse me as I actually like Angelina, lets be real, if this was going to be portrayed by a mixed ancestry black, then maybe that would have happened had a black director / producer thought to bring this story to the screen. I don't see any taking on stories like this because our people usually want to see the black comedy/ booty shaker movies. Brad Pitt is the producer and pulled this together. Why not use your own woman and keep the money in the family. On another note, I think Angelina's response could have been more succinct.
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Blaqnrican
Comment: I believe Angelina was cast in the part because she was the best actress for it. This situation is totally different from the way Hollywood dealt with casting white actresses to play Biracial or Light skin women of color (i.e. Show Boat, Imitation of Life, Pinkie.
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REDDOG
Comment: Oh, and Angelina is of mixed race as most of the people on the planet these days.
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REDDOG
Comment: To: Blaqnrican, very good point!!!
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One2Adore
Comment: This story is about Marianne Pearl's husband, Daniel Pearl, who was a journalist with the Wall Street Journal. He was doing a story on the shoe bomber which led him to Pakistan where he was kidnapped and killed. She was six months pregnant at the time.
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khufu
Comment: LOL prettieeys...the fcat that you have that name is indicative of your political leanings or the lack thereof........the issue os racism in Hollywood behind the camera and in front of the camera is too long to discuss here...However, the first question I would ask is whether they had any lighter skinner African American actors audition for the tole? Did they have any Hispanic or Caribbean actors read? They might have.
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Gurlfrand
Comment: Now if they cast Ange in the role of Pearl Bailey - then I have a real problem!
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NYCsoul
Comment: Why do blacks so ready to 'claim' people when they make it clear that they are mixed with other races? Ms. Pearl is from Europe, which has a different take on race. She said she feels more 'dutch' than other of her genetic makeup, so why are some of us pushing this issue? Ms. Pearl has made it clear as to how she chooses to identify herself so I don't know why Jolie is a target. I'm not a fan of Jolie's but I think some folks are way off the mark on this.
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khufu
Comment: second..the fact that Ms. Perarl married a YT is indicative of her consciousness and how she defines herself......so she signed off on it. Right. If asked she probably would say "Im not Black." SO I personally wouldnt expect any concern for "Black representation in Hollywood" to be a concern of hers.
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khufu
Comment: NYC SOUl when you look at her LOOK AT HER...she clearly is not pure white....a younger Lonette McKee could have played her......
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khufu
Comment: the larger issue REALLY is Hollywood and it's continued racism...that's the larger issue but I dont expect that to be discussed in an informed and intelligent manner here LOL......
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regina
Comment: Although I like Angie, I have to admit, the wig, sprayed on darker skin, & not very well done accent(as per the clips I've seen)have turned me off from wanting to see the movie. I attempted to be open minded but I was just not feeling it.
That being said, I dont' think they auditioned other people. At least, not with any real intension of hiring them. Rumor has it that Brad's production company got the rights to this film back when he was still with Jennifer A. & that if they were still together, she would have gotten the role. Sources have said that she was really mad cause she felt that potraying Mrs. Pearl would be the role to give her Oscar cred & upstart her dramatic acting career.
Now, I know people couldn't deny their "odd" feelings if Blonde/blue aired J.A. donned that wig & sprayed her face. I think cause of Angie's causes for people of color, she is not getting more flack than she might otherwise have.
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NYCsoul
Comment: Khufu> I understand your point but the central issue is that Ms. Pearl herself had no problem having Jolie play her. I saw the interview with Ms. Pearl saying this. So why are we trying to claim a person as black when clearly they don't want to be. I'm tired of us running behind people, "forcing" them to say that they are black. Looking at her, it's clear she has black in her but she chooses to identify herself as something else.
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NYCsoul
Comment: Khufu> As for the issue of racism in Hollywood, I totally agree with you. There is a lack of decent roles for black actors/actresses which means that we will have to put up the money to create our own movie companies or shut up! We should do like our African brethren have done. They created their own companies and distribution centers to showcase their talent. Do you watch African movies? I love them to death! The accents are a little thick and sometimes they go overboard with the Christian themes, but they are very well acted. Plus, they put every type of person in their movies, regardless of age or body type.
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khufu
Comment: NYC SOUL i was a film major and am a filmmaker...yes I love AFrica cinema....
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khufu
Comment: NYCSOUL youre right she has that right however her decision in the Hollywood context has a larger social, political, cultural, historical and economic ramification and her decision exists within a larger context: RACISM AND WHITE CULTURAL SUPREMACY and HOLLYWOOD RACISM.....
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BlkATLTop
Comment: Gurlfrand wins for post of the day.
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khufu
Comment: NYCSOUL now what African cinema are you talking about?
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...When Tom Hanks plays Paul Robeson then I'll be upset...I'm not gonna get worked up ovah this... Halle or Thandie
coulda played the part but would they have brought in the crowds?...Will Smith woulda brought in the crowds but he woulda had to undergo an extreme makeover like Travolta does in Hairspray..C'mon, it's all 'bout da money...However, I am a bit perturbed by the use of a can of tan spray paint...WTF is that about?...Why couldn't they just toss her in a tanning bed?....This sounds a little like when they put some blue color on Forrest Whit when he played Idi Amin...They wanted him blue-black...Some folks were p!ssed off at that......
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khufu
Comment: BOOT who was %*$!ed off at Forest plaing Amin?
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khufu
Comment: and yes it all is about the maarketing and the box office..........so if one day it would be more financially viable for a yt to play Pearl Bailey than a Black actress....Amy Whitehouse will be Pearl Bailey! Bottom line: If Black folkswould support types of films at the box office, then they would have some clout in Hollywood
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star
Comment: This blogger is doing what he has to do to make his blog known. Actors and actresses, if they are good transform themselves into the person they are playing. I think Angie is perfect for the role.The thing is, we wait, we wait for that perfect script (well actors do), instead of writing and creating their own scripts and production companies. It must be really hard being a black thespian, but how about if you go to all of these acting schools only to have a rapper get the role. White supremacy and Hollywood compliment each other well, but that's when we have to use our creative and business minds to capitalize on our projects.
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...Yo as long as Meryl Streep ain't playing Harriet Tubman or Brad and Angelina cast themselves to play Ruby Dee and Ossie Davis or Jim Carrey signs on to play WEB Dubois or Robert Deniro plays Sindey Portier or Robin Williams plays GW Carver or Julia Roberts plays Madam Walker or...Kathy Bates plays Oprah....or.....
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PRDC
Comment: Ms. Pearle doesn't consider herself black so why are we so up in the air about this. Most races from other country, when they come here, they don't say they are black, everything but that, we as blacks can look at her and see the blackness but she doesn't see it, she sees herself more Dutch...so be it...Angie is a ver good actress and more power to her. Don't be mad at her...Ms. Pearl picked her to play her...so you do the math...stop tripping....
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: Khufu- Nobody was upset at Forrest playing Idi Amin...Some folks were upset about darkening his skin...C'mon, his performance was stellar....I'm just alluding to the spraying on of color issue....Pls, you know How I do up in here....
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Sexee
Comment: Put your money where your mouth is! Bottom line if you want viable roles, support the movies that hire black actors. Recycle your $$ in black communities 7x before it leaves out.
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SpecialK
Comment: PRDC: THANK YOU!!!
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gingerg
Comment: I don't care what they did with Forrest's skin in The Last King of Scotland. His performance was amazing.
I'm not sure about Kerry Washington's, though. It seems she was just in there to sleep with the white doctor and the price the character paid for that mistake was too much.
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katgrrrl
Comment: Brad Pitt was the producer of this film which may be one reason for Angelina being cast to play Marianne Pearl. I used to work in lower Manhattan a couple of blocks from where the Pearls lived and I'd hear about and see interviews with Marianne all the time as this story got a lot of local press. I always thought she looked like Troy Beyer. Anywho, I think Angelina's darn good at what she does. I haven't seen the movie, but it's Marianne's story and if it's cool with her...
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yunvme
Comment: Are americans the only ones that trip off of the racial makeup/ racial identity, and "blackness" of a person?
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Babygurl
Comment: With lips that big Angelina is probably one of those people who's ancestors did a little mingling with the slaves. True enough a bi-racial actress could have took on the role ...Rae Dawn Chong looks a lot like the real Pearl anyway. But if someone white had to do it, I'm glad it was Jolie. She's not the average white girl...she has flavor.
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thatbklyngirl
Comment: PRDC >>><<< enough already. Its the womans life story so be it. who the hell am I to tell her how she sound identify herself. Don't we have bigger fish to fry like this damn war, and national healthcare.
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khufu
Comment: Hollywood's Racism a Mirror on Society
A time line of films on video reveals slow change
Edward Guthmann, Chronicle Staff Writer
Sunday, January 31, 1999
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khufu
Comment: ah hell..I aint gon' post a bunch or references for folks to read...most wont read them....most aint serious about informed and intelligent conversation.......the larger issue again is HOW HOLLYWOOD DEFINES AND REPRESNTS NON-WHITE PEOPLE ESPECIALLY BLACK PEOPLE ON THE SCREEN AND AS PART OF THE FILMMAKING PROCESS...Hollywood which controls the global psyche is racist and the major instrument for the perpetuation of white cultural supremacy.....
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khufu
Comment: if you look at the trend now in media (film, tv, advertising, etc)...is the non-Black, Black person..the mulatto..person..where da hell are the Black people? The brown people? wioth big lips and wide azz hips? It's a form of image genocide......or genocide by mon-representation..but that's too deep for 80 percent of the foks here LOL
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DCGG
Comment: Who gives a fuvk? That Oreo Cookie, White man loving, white wanna be bytch specifically asked for Jolie to play her in the movie...so fuvk her self hating azz, she could have easily asked Halle Berry or any number of half breeds to play her azz but she choose a white woman...I ain't mad at Jolie, I'm mad at that Black bytch...
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MelodyCool
Comment: As dark as Celia Cruz was...you notice latinos did not want Whoopi Goldberg playing that role, remember? Mixed people don't have a problem with Angelina Jolie but would have busted a gut if the actress was Black. We as Blacks folks must forget about the one-drop rule and focus "solely" on our OWN.
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yunvme
Comment: Thats what I'm asking, are americans the only ones that believe in that "one drop" rule? Is that a slavery mentality thing passed down?
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yunvme
Comment: Melody- what do you mean mixed people dont have a problem with Angelina in this role? It seems the only ones I hear talking about it are black folks.
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Renetta
Comment: Black women are so invisible in this culture that we can’t even play ourselves in movies? Give me a break. It’s total disrespect. Why aren’t there more black actresses in hollywood getting roles? Are we that invisible? I will NOT be paying my dollars to see this movie.
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khufu
Comment: MELODYCOOL yes..white cultural supremacy and racism....darker skinned peole still aspire to be white and accepted as white..."Pretty eyes" "good hair" and why? because hollywood perpetuates it...Black folks like most here dont see it and have no problem with it and pay their dollars to support it and the beat goes on and on...I caint wait til God sets this shet right
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yunvme
Comment: sistas should be doin it for themselves.
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khufu
Comment: RENETTA right and Black folks period! ANgela B%*$ett has to resort to playing against Tyler Perry in his films...wTF? Angela is one of the best actresses in the world and she caint get quality work
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oldschoolbrother
Comment: Just lurking but I have to make a couple of comments, especially when it comes to "supporting" movies. I just do not see the numbers there to really make that remark. My taste in movies are wide ranging but this type of film does not interest me, subject matter is too dark, also the casting turned me off, so unless it was done for Oscar, that is the only reason I can see that purpose of that. Also, speaking of color, there is a guy here in our office from Egypt, but if you were to put him in a lineup, it reminds me of that old Richard Pryor skit when he is in Africa and can see people from his area in the motherland. This cat looks like a regular black man, BUT when asked he would flat out tell you, I am not black. So if this woman does not want to claim that, let it die. More power to her for saying so. She has enough to deal with as it is. Plus she gave the approval for the casting, but this is not my type of movie. I saw the beheading on the internet and know the full background of the story.
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yunvme
Comment: khufu so are you saying that because its a black director/film (Perry/B@%*$et) that is not quality? Isn't that the same kind of internal racism you accuse others of feeding into?
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khufu
Comment: BABYGURL where you been? She got collagen injections in those lips.....dont folk read!!?
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khufu
Comment: YUN..as an artist, an ARTIST Tyler Perry's work is not the quality of Spike, Euzhan Palcy, The Hudlins, Melvan Van Peebles, Tim Story......i use artistic criteria.....
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khufu
Comment: and what the hell is "internal racism?" LOL youre joking right?
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khufu
Comment: Tyler Perry's work is not the quality of Carl Frankling, Thomas Carter, Julie Dash, The Hughes Brothers, Kasi Lemmons,
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khufu
Comment: Carl Franklin, Michael Schultz, John Singleton,
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queeniebunz
Comment: I'm gonna represent the mixed folk here since y'all are getting real ignorant on here - calling her a b*tch! WTF???!!!
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khufu
Comment: and based on the cultural criteria I use, Tp's films and TV show's are inferior....money and "success" are not the only criteria to determine validity, power, relevance, meaningfulness and significance.....
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yunvme
Comment: Are Afican Americans the only people that identify themselves with a color? What does the Egyptian dude consider himself to be? Egyptian? Why would he call himself BLACK? Do chinese people call themselves yellow? Do white people call themselves white? or do they refer to themselves as Italian/Polish/English, etc? I think most people (outside of the good ole USA) consider themselves to be from where ever they were born ie: Dominican, Puerto Rican, Dutch, whatever. Is there a problem with that? If the answer is that the person is in denial and doesnt accept their origins, then couldnt that be said of virtually every person on earth since as far as we know, all life started on the continent of Africa?
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khufu
Comment: what is this notion of "mixed?" Sheet My great great granddaddy from wht I have heard was white.....most of us are "mixed" that is irrelevant.....when you look at me I am clearly African....and besides that, Malcom was clearly mixed but his POLITICAL AND CULTURAL CONSCIOUSNESS determined his true identity
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khufu
Comment: YUN are you basing that on opinion or researched or experiential fact?
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queeniebunz
Comment: It is not Mariane Pearl's fault that she has a mixed heritage any more than it is Tiger's fault or my fault. As far as I am concerned NONE OF YOU have any right to define me or anyone else. NONE OF YOU. It is very hard to be of mixed heritage because other people are constantly trying to tell you what you are. Me - I consider myself to be black. I just do. It's easier and I look black so that works for me. BUT I have people around me constantly who want to try and separate me from being black. They want to consider me "biracial" and therefore "not all black" and then treat me like I think I'm different/better than them when I have never thought that! Personally, it has always been black people who gave me the hardest time growing up. And, what y'all don't get is that in Europe, race mixing ain't that big of a deal like it is here. They do it all the time and have for decades, even as far back as the 1800s. So y'all need to stop getting all in Mariane's sh*t about who she thinks she is. She can think she is whatever she wants. It is really none of your business what she defines herself as! Y'all are the types that made my life a living hell growing up and you need to have some sensitivity. She didn't ask for her parents to mix but she has to live w/ig'nant black people trying to tell her who and what she should define herself as. Y'all need to stop!
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gingerg
Comment: Kfufu, that may be the case, but do we support the work of Julie Dash, Carl Franklin and Kasi Lemmons like we should? He111! No!
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khufu
Comment: there is a film called AVA and GABRIEL you must see...not because it's a great film but because...Director: Felix de Rooy
From: Holland/Curacao
Year: 1990 Minutes: 100
Language: Dutch and Papamientu w/ English subtitles
Genre: drama
The story takes place on the island of Curacao in the late Forties.Upon request of Father Fidelius, parish priest of St. Anna's, the Surinam painter Gabriel Goedbloed arrives from Holland to paint a mural of the Virgin Mary in St. Anna's Church. The drama unfolds from different angles. First the clergy and locals are confused by the fact that the painter is black, originating from Surinam, but resettled in The Hague, where he received a Fine Art education.
The close knit Antillian society did not welcome strangers who would not conform to their colonial way of life in those days. Contributing factors arise when he chooses a young teacher, Miss Ava Recordina, who is from mixed origin, to be his model for the painting of the Virgin Mary. Ava is engaged to the white police major Carlos Zarius who is not too happy with his fiancé posing for the painter.
The fact that the Dutch Governor's wife, Louise van Hansschot, is interested in Gabriel also fuels the tension. In the end, Gabriel Goedbloed falls victim to the controversies, hypocrisies and intrigues that have arisen around his person and his paintings.
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DOne
Comment: >khufu, I agree with you. We all are mixed. The question becomes what is your Cultural identity. >yunvme, you make a good point. Most of the world tend to identify with their ethnicity more so than the color of their skin, however, we are someone unique in this country in that skin color equates ethnicity.
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khufu
Comment: GINGER I already covered that.....NO the majority of Black folks dont...they go in droves, like sheep to the slaughter, to Tyler Perry and Soul Plane
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khufu
Comment: DONE agreed.......a global perspective is very important to have in order to %*$ess matters such as these but most Black folks dont and YT in this country either...check out.....http://www.africanfilm.com/ava_gabriel.htm
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khufu
Comment: check out the films of Felix De Rooy...
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khufu
Comment: and GINGER that is the bottom line: what do Black folks support with their dolars? Foolishness, partying, Good Times, and the continued anestitizing of their minds and psyches
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DOne
Comment: khufu,
Thx for the link.
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khufu
Comment: DONE cool no prob?
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yunvme
Comment: if a person is black/dutch/chinese why would we make this person BLACK?
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khufu
Comment: LOL YUn...why? I dunno...ask God...cause when they are mixed, nine times outta ten they sure as hell look Black...accrding to the anthro-socilogical definition and classification.....
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khufu
Comment: sociological...and historically the nine-drop rule set a standard that had impact on the definition of "race"....blame it on racism......
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khufu
Comment: one drop rule
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katgrrrl
Comment: DCGG: "half breeds"? C'mon now. Are you talking about a dog or a person? I hate that expression. If you wanna get technical, then we're all mixed cos very few, if any of us are pure. QUEENIEBUNS: I'm sorry you have to deal with all of that. I can only imagine, but I'm just sorry. And anyone who would treat you like you think you're different/better, that's just a display of their own insecurities and inferiority complex's.
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whynotme
Comment: --->queeniebunz i'm assuming you grew up around black people because if you had grown up around white people you would have seen that they don't treat "mixed" people that well either so don't act like black people are the only ones who are against race mixing......white people started it but yet most of them hate when a child is born of mixed heritage well the white people in america.
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yunvme
Comment: black people want to both claim a mixed person and exclude them from the "black" race at the same time.
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Exmun
Comment: "new generation of Hollywood in blackface"... oh please get over yourself. It's a freaking MOVIE... and she's ACTING. This has nothing to do with any college Pimps and Hos party. What a ridiculous comparison.
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queeniebunz
Comment: >whynotme - Actually, I grew up in Maryland, on the edge of DC in a mixed neighborhood of black and white people and the black girls were the meanest - believe that - mad cuz I had some hair and they didn't. Ridiculous. And yeah, other light-skinned girls had the same problem but they didn't get "zebra" thrown at them at least every other day at school.
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queeniebunz
Comment: >yunvme - that is the most succinct description of my experience. "You'd better call yourself black but we're still not going to let you in"...Yup. That's it.
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MelodyCool
Comment: yunvme, it just want I said. Mixed race folks are extremely enamored of their white half (but show signs of despising the black side)and have no problem with Angelina in this role. They would have screamed bloody murder had the lead actress been a light skinned Black woman which you know already. Blacks shouldn't give a dayumm about what this role as we do not have dog in this fight. Folks do not support this movie.
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jess
Comment: Chew on this for awhile people...a bit off the current subject, but I read that Brad Pitt bought the rights to this movie for his then wife...Jennifer Aniston! What the hell was he thinking? She's a comedic actress who couldn't have handle a heavy role like this. At least Angie has the chops. But that's beside the point. Jennifer Aniston people!
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MelodyCool
Comment: yunvme, why is it that people like "you" always try to control and direct topics and conversations "between" Blacks folks?
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queeniebunz
Comment: >MelodyCool - you don't know what you are talking about. You really don't. Most "mixed" people I know - and I know quite a few - define themselves as black people. In talking to them, they have had the same experiences as me where it was black people who ASSUMED they felt better about themselves for being part white/Asian/latino and it isn't the case. You need to stop making assumptions about people!
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SpecialK
Comment: khufu: What do you mean my God is going to set the stuff straight?
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: Generally, folks want light entertainment or action that is not too taxing. After all, for many, everyday life is enough drama.
That said, we can definitely do better.
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yunvme
Comment: MelodyCool what the fvck are you talking about? You almost got a "b1tch you dont know me" for your stupid comment.
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yunvme
Comment: What is this "enamored with the white side"? There are probally more mixed people of other origins than the black/white mix. If your black/latin are you enamored with white? If your black/asian are you enamored with white?
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archcookies
Comment: Hey Ya'll Don't wake up Al Sharpton or that Ali guy in LA, they'll try to boycott the movie.
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khufu
Comment: Okay time for me to leave it's transgressing in here...SPECIALK...that's not what I said.....anyway, talk about the topic at hand please....see yall...peace
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whynotme
Comment: --->queeniebunz what do you mean they teased you because you had hair and they didn't? were only the bald black girls mean or are you saying that black girls with two black parents don't have hair? just curious.....but whether you experienced it or not alot of white people are very cruel to biracial kids mixed with black and white.
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SpecialK
Comment: khufu: I'll quote you: "I caint wait til God set this shet right." What do you mean by that? Just answer the question since you made the statement. You normally quick to run off at the mouth so here's a good chance to do so. No need to get all "black" about it either.
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gingerg
Comment: Arch, there's no need to boycott the movie. It came in #10 and only earned $4 million. I think people are getting tired of Angelina - her personal life is overshadowing her personal one. She'll probably take some time off and have another biological child after this.
Also, the movie is too far removed from the passage of Danny Pearl and some may feel this is an attempt to profit from his death as opposed to an effort to educate people.
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TMan
Comment: OK, folks. My opinion on this is this. Angelina Jolie has what may be considered by many to have an "ethnic" look. As far as white actresses are concerned that are out here, I think she is one of the more ethnic looking white ladies. As a matter of fact, there have been many times I have looked at Angelina Jolie and had to do a double take or turn up the volume to try and see or find out what her ethnicity is beyond her mom and dad. Not saying necessarily black, but almost swore she could have somehting else in her racial mix other then just white. OK, with all that said, she does look like Mrs. Pearl to me with all this hair and makeup they did. Whoever did her I think did a reasonable job without going too far. My problem with this situation is this: Hollywood continues to look to white actresses first and foremost even when choosing an actress to play a Black woman who is mixed. My problem is even though she is mixed with all those othere things, to me, when I see Mrs. Pearl, I see a woman of color with definite African ancestry. So Hollywood being Hollywood ,I wonder if they ever even had a black actress in mind to play her. That is my problem. That they probably didn't even consider a black actress to portray her. Even a mixed black actress of her same complexion. That is what I would like to know. Did they even at least search for a black or mixed black actress to portray her in the first place? BTW, I have not seen this movie but I read her performance is Oscar worthy already.
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TesticAl
Comment: I agree with one poster, I forgot their name. A lot of black people identify themselves with their ethnicity/culture. We can take a Dominican for example (David Ortiz). Dude is black as hell. Does he call himself African American? No, he calls himself Dominican, that goes for other ethnicites too. That is just an example. I don't see why people are so riled up over this. Everyone's ancestors are not from Africa...unless you want to get technical and start from the beginning of time.
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Name:
Marlin
Comment: Black women oversees (i.e europe, paris..etc) whether they are of mixed heritage or not, date white men. Thandi Newton, Sade. Color does not matter (as much) as it does here. Homechick probably associates herself as white. That's just the way it is there....now how she actually looks? BLACK. And Angelina Jolie knows good and gotdang well she should have turned this part down. Troy Beyer, Tracie Ellis Ross, Quincy's daughter could have played her as well. Angelina's lips are waaay bigger than this chicks too. She just knew the locations they were shooting at had some prime kids she could swoop up right quick. be on the look out for an afro-cubancaliblanese baby to pop up real soon.
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Name:
SweetieDarlin
Comment: This horse is kinda of out of the barn and actually this would be more of a controversy if Ms. Pearl had this objection as well. I understand the concern we feel when a potential role for a black woman is lost but in this case I don't think it's an issue. I am tired of the term self hate bandied about, just because you embrace your another ancestory doesn't mean you dislike being black. Actually at this point, in American we are all bi-racial, some show it more than others. For those who don't like being teased, please think about that the next time you make a nasty comment about someone else.
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: Marlin, you know damn well Tracie Ellis Ross could not have played Mariane.
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: I'll tell you who can act, though. Zoe Zaldana. I saw her in Constellation recently. It also featured that talented, fine Hill Harper.
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Name:
queeniebunz
Comment: >whynotme - I mean I could sit on my hair and they couldn't. I mean that when my ma cornrowed my hair, (she was a cosmotologist) she didn't use fake hair and they had me in the woods trying to cut the hair off to prove it was really fake when it wasn't and my ma had to rescue me from those nasty mean little girls. And no, I wasn't a mean stuck up type. I was painfully shy and just wanted them to like me. And by the way, my cousin had hair down to her butt when she was little too and could sit on her hair too but she's "all black" so I don't mean that just because of my mom I had long hair. But you like them made a big deal out of it. I was gonna have a lot of hair regardless because my dad's family has thick long hair on their women (my aunt and cousins). Does that clear it up for you? But the funny thing about all of it is that the other girls w/long hair didn't get the abuse I got.
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Name:
beegirl
Comment: So I guess they should have found a big girl to star in "Norbit" or an actual ogre to do the voice of Shrek. It's called acting. The Rock just played the lead role in the life story of a W man ("Gridiron Gang"), and nobody gave him a hard time about that. I am sick and tired of people making biracial people choose. They should be happy claiming both sides of themselves or whatever side they identify most with without having to worry about being Bk enough. If this woman feels Dutch with a tan, that's her business. And she can let whomever play her in her life story that she so chooses. If I choose Halle Berry to play me (ha!), will everybody be up in arms because I am not biracial?
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Name:
jess
Comment: Let's not forget that box office draw has a lot to do with the casting of these films. I remember a lot of people were upset with the choice of Diana Ross playing Billie Holiday because she didn't look like her and had no acting experience. But she had a name and the power to draw people to see the movie. Fortunately, she did an excellent job. There are lots of actress of color that can act, but they don't have BIG NAMES and can't put the butts in the seats. Making money is the bottom line here.
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Name:
barnone
Comment: i am an african-american woman living n israel. YUN> your question is interesting b-cuz the "color issue" exists everywhere b-cuz racism is a global issue. and 2 briefly answer your question, yes here n israel the color line is very much an issue, but funny thing is people here who look like ms. pearle refer 2 themselves as black w/out all of the historical ethnic breakdown. not b-cuz they're from africa but b-cuz of the color of their skin. they consider themselves black israelis.
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katgrrrl
Comment: BEEGIRL: You got some good points there! I too get sick of some people making bi/multi racial people feel like that have to choose one. You are what you are. If that's more than once race, so be it. And what exactly is "Black enough". I used to catch hell in H.S. for listening to rock music (as well as RnB, rap & classical). I remember goin' to a Black Student's Union meeting and having someone say in my direction "I thought this was for Black people". Back in my vegetarian days (before I got pregnant with my first child and started eating meat again) a not-so-close cousin of mine made this comment: "doesn't eat chicken? That's so non-Black" WTF does eating some chicken have to do with being Black? Everything, according to the STEREOTYPE I suppose. But, if you do something non-stereotypically Black, how does that make you less Black or not "Black enough"?
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Taurusingr
Comment: I can t believe the attitude IT DOESN T MATTER!! NO!... Hollywood has never cast a BLACK person to play A KNNOWN WHITE PERSON!! (Probably because THEY RESPECT EVERY OTHER RACE MORE than BLACKS!! (especially THEIR OWN!!)) Further, ITS IGNORANT to think BLACK producers try to get GREEN LIGHTS on, or BLACK PEOPLE don t want to see GOOG QUAULITY films RATHER than the BOOTY SHAKIN BULLS..T they give us to TRY to keep us unprogressive & also TO KEEP THE NEGATIVE STERIOTYPES IN PLACE!!! And, if you were PEARL & either needed money or wanted THE STORY TOLD! Do UU think U WON T SIGN OFF ON IT!! I haven t seeen one interview with HER!! Who knows WHAT/HOW Pearl REALLY feels!! What is she suppose to say or do... Be picky about who portrays her in a project NO ONE ELSE is interested in making!!!No I don t think so!!! Back to hollywood, The shade of a person isn t the issue..ANY shade of BLACK would ve been better than WHITE! Why is it an OVER reaction!! Do we, Have they WILL THEY EVER, put on a production of a prominent/popular White person s story & cast a Black person as the LEAD!!! HEEEEEYYYYYYAAAALLLLL NO!!! If we don t take issue with this BLATANT disrepect, What will/should we take issue with??? Again,, The HYPOCROCY is THEY(white people) don t consider ANY HALFBREED WHITE ENOUGH to play, be counted as, Or excepted as WHITE!! But NOW when the MOOD IS RIGHT, The producer is WHITE, The producer is BRAD,, The actress is a favorite... ITS ALL RIGHT, CAUSE ITS ALL WHITE!!! Ask NATIVE AMERICAN, LATINO, ASIAN, or ANY OTHER group how THEY feel when somebody WHITE is cast in a role about THEM??!! Finally, The legacy of it all is .... The only 2 films to produce OSCAR WINNING performances WEREN T the only works THOSE 2 actors could ve/should ve won for!! But they just happen to be STERIOTYPICAL roles!! coincidence?? HELL NAAAAA!!! So we can be considered for POSITIVE roles/images EVEN IF ITS A BLACK PERSONS STORY???? Pearl is not African American...But She s AFRICAN somethin!!, And as far as II know...There are MANY other people IN HOLLYWOOD who are AFRICAN SOMETHIN & Jolie IS NOT!!!! P.S. IGNORANT people (White or otherwise) always say race doesn t matter when its Not ADVANTAGES for THEMSELVES!!!!!! But in the REAL WORLD, IN AMERICA, Its one IF NOT A MAJOR FACTOR for many people in EVERYDAY life!!!
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whynotme
Comment: --->queeniebunz actually i wasn't making a big deal out of your hair i was just asking you a question. i don't tease nor hate on anyone because their hair is longer than mine and i never did it when i was younger either because even though i couldn't sit on my hair it was always long.....i'm not really that obsessed with someone else's hair and never have been even when i was younger because my mother always taught me and my sisters that we were beautiful so i didn't have to tease anyone because they were lighter or had longer hair than mine.....you are misinterpreting me asking you a question with old stuff that went on in your life.....i was just trying to tell you that a lot of white people treat biracial people like sh*t even though you haven't experienced doesn't mean they don't do it.
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MelodyCool
Comment: queeniebunz, I guess it comes natural believing Black folks should kiss your arse at every turn because of your admixture. There's a flip side to your comments and many of you DO "expect" special treatment from Blacks only. When we treat you as "equals" it's never good enough. Sorry but it happens and I'll be glad when you receive a "separate" status in 2010. Black folks look bad trying to cling to biracials when it clear how most of you feel. Listen to this from a racist biracial male: -->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbCDfh2i45Y<--
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khufu
Comment: SPECIALK..first...the first time you misquoted me...go back and read what YOU said..I never said "MY GOD".....secondly it is self-explanatory....you want to have a religious discussion? Instead comment on the topic at hand.....I run off with the mouth and have somethig to say...you run off at that mouth when there is nothing but air coming from it
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Name:
khufu
Comment: :--)
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Name:
1st2worst
Comment: White people have been defining themselves by nationality for years. They can get away with it, we can't. Let's not get caught up in this. Race and nationality are two different things. We should know that better than anyone else. Black people don't get the luxury of defining themselves by nationality or religion. When they see us, they know what we are. When we look at them there is some guess work involved. Cuba, China, and France are all countries, not races.
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Name:
barnone
Comment: does anyone remember when the movie about serena (was that her name) the hispanic singer came out and the mexican-american community was voicing their displeasure with jennifer lopez, a peurto rican, playing the role of serena?
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Name:
BigSexy
Comment: First, I don't have a problem with Angie playing the part. She's a great actress and will do fine - I'm sure. Second, Queenie baby, my heart goes out to you for what you have to go thru. I guess it depends on where you live, your experience will be different. I live in New Mexico and the people that have a Black parent and a non Black parent are not treated this way. I have always been around people of mixed races and it just was not a big deal. If anything we wished we had their hair (no relaxers!) and they did not act stuck up about it either. We all just got along. I'm part Native American but I look Black. Full Natives here always approach me and my family because they can tell thier blood runs thru our veins. But not once have I or anyone who definitely looks part Black been treated badly. Now I'm only talking about those I know. We just didn't have to go thru that kind of treatment. But like I said, people here have been dating out of their race for decades here. We hardly have full Black people in New Mexico anymore.
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Name:
whynotme
Comment: --->bigsexy "If anything we wished we had their hair (no relaxers!)"....please tell me you're joking.
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Name:
BigSexy
Comment: Barnone - I do remember that. Mexican americans were very upset that Jennifer got that part. She did a good job and I guess they eventually just let it be.
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Name:
katgrrrl
Comment: BARNONE: Yes. The movie about Selena Quintanilla. I remember the uproar. I also remember Jen playin' the heck outta that role and silencing her critics!
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Name:
dbshawn
Comment: I actually heard the controversy about this while they were filming which is why I'm a little surprised that it's coming up again. Mariane Pearl looks black to me but I'm not surprised that she associates with being Danish (which is not really an ethnicity) or anything else.
I have nothing against so called "multi-race" people (the fact that they deny that we're ALL multi-race is another story). However, I truly think that people don't have the courage to admit that they want to downplay their blackness as much as possible because they know that blackness doesn't hold as much weight or economic opportunity, in the case of the entertainment industry. Having said that, it Angelina Jolie can play a partially black woman, then black actresses should be able to portray different races as well, right? We ALL know this will never happen en masse because people have been PROGRAMMED to view dark skin in a certain way.
Also, it's interesting to me that multi-racial people just want "everyone" to get along and be treated and judged on their merit and individual character. Isn't that what African Americans have been fighting for all along? I say, if you can still turn your nose down at blackness and hold other ethnicities at higher rank, then you have a lot of serious growing to do!
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Name:
BigSexy
Comment: Yes that is a joke, we would always compare the things we had to do with each others hair. Their hair was so curly and they wanted it straight and we wanted to be able to wash and go like they could - without a relaxer. It was all fun and games. But no one was really serious about it.
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Name:
Angel
Comment: whynotme - I guess the millions of dollars black folks have spent on straightening their hair must not be true if you don't think that there is a EXTREMELY LARGE percentage of black women who would prefer to have a different textured hair that didn't require a relaxer....Let's not act like all black folks walk around with naturals except for a handful of "lost ones".
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Name:
whynotme
Comment: --->angel white women get perms to make their hair curly, are they trying to be black or hispanic? i never said that black women don't get relaxers i was just hoping bigsexy didn't really wish she had someone else's hair.....just because someone puts a relaxer in their hair doesn't mean they wish they had someone else's hair and since i don't walk around asking someone why they do it i can't say they do it because they want to be white....to be honest with you people can do what they want to their hair and for whatever reason and it really doesn't move me one way or another.
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Name:
Angel
Comment: Whynotme - There is nothing wrong with wishing you had a feature that someone else has. Hell, I wish I had Janet's abs and Serena's butt. LOL
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Name:
barnone
Comment: i damn sho wish i had just about anyone else's breasts! good night 2 all
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Name:
SpecialK
Comment: khufu: It's apparent that you don't read to well because I never said that you said YOUR GOD. Why are you always so quick to give a sarcastic answer instead of just answering the question? That's cuz you be talking out the side of your neck a lot. Clown!
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Name:
SpecialK
Comment: I was not trying to have a discussion about religion. It was just a question. Stop being so damn sensitive before I give you a dress to put on. LOL!!!
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Name:
ITSMYOPINION
Comment: Jolie looks and sound ridiculous in the movie! She talk about the Pearl's racial make up all she wants but Jolie knows damn well she doesn't fit the part. People are so impressed with her adopting all these children but I'm not. All it proves is if you have enough money and fame you can buy children like a poor person shopping for shoes at Payless. She can adopt ALL the Black people in the world, including myself, and I still wouldn't like her!!
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Name:
butterpecanrican
Comment: Queeniebunz, I am sorry that I got to this board so late today but let me just say that I can understand 100% what you went through. I am biracial also and your experience mirrors mine exactly.
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Name:
BigSexy
Comment: Thank you Angel for your comment. Yeah Janets abs would be so lovely right now. I know my comment took some people by surprise but that was what we did when I was little. I'm not going to lie about it or be ashamed of it. Biracial people were just part of our community, they weren't different, they were are friends and family. But like I said earlier, we were friends having fun. I do remember asking my mom to buy me a Cher wig because I liked the way she thru her hair around on stage (remember Sony & Cher). But that doesn't mean I don't like my hair. I can do bad a.s.s. styles with my hair. Most yts can't (don't know how) and they are always wishing they could wear the styles I wear. Most of them could but I'm not giving away my hair secrets especially to them.
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Name:
Angel
Comment: BigSexy - I feel you. I don't know anybody, especially as a child, that's never said, "I wish I had x like so and so". It's human nature. Your comment shouldn't take anybody by surprise because everybody does it. And it doesn't mean you don't love yourself because I love me. I think God didn't give me Serena's butt and Janet's abs to keep me humble. LOL
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Name:
4mybabygirl
Comment: I do think that the movie would have done alot better if they would have cast someone like Halle Berry. She appeals to both races. With Angelina Jolie in this movie, I don't know how many black people are really going to watch it. I like Angie, but the movie didn't appeal to me. Besides, that I heard months ago about blacks complaining about her casting. After, I saw that I had a made up mind not to see the movie at the theatres. Non-causians are often short changed in the television industry. But, of course it is not Angie's fault. If they would have offered it to me and I was white, I would take it too. Money don't have a color. I will catch it on cable television.
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Name:
BigSexy
Comment: Angel - I know that's right. Ooo, I would be a mess if I had Janets abs, Serena butt, Vanessa's eyes. Lordly Lord, I would be a hot, stuck up, don't care about no body mess. So yes, thank you Lord, you know what you're doing.
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Name:
blakman
Comment: black folk spend too much time thinks about the wrong things. For this issue to have over 100 posted comments is ridiculous. How may of you "intellectuals" have an opinion about Darfar??
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Name:
cedent
Comment: I think this is a waste of time. She is an actress that will bring more people to the theater. She's qualified. Ms. Pearl didn't have an issue with it, why does anyone else. Let's try to find something else that is 'important' to rally around.
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Name:
ebowles603
Comment: Again, much ado about nothing. Mariane Pearl has a lot of white and a drop of African, Asian, etc. She is a real mongrel - which make some of the best dogs and people. If black people spent as much time worrying about the education of their children and the murder rate of their children as they do about who plays what role in a confused DNA like this, we might be getting somewhere as an ethnic group. BE REAL!
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: I agree that there are other pressing issues out there. But just because we re recognizing THIS ONE, Doesn t mean we are NOT recognizing the REST!!! One shouldn t be the limit!! or reason to NOT acknowledge the OTHERS!! The intelligent,objective,progressive & AWARE Black people can discuss both or ALL!!!
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Name:
ShelE
Comment: Since this woman is not an American, maybe experiences and perspective on certain issues are coming from a different place.
Also, when she was going through the trauma of her husband being missing and his eventual murder, I do not remember a great outpouring of support from black politicians, celebrities or for that matter the black community. Now a white is playing her in a movie and suddenly she is one of us. Interesting.
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: Thank you, Taurusingr! People like ebowles make me sick trying to censor what we discuss.
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: ShelE, she is NOT one of us and never will be. Hopefully Blacks won't support this movie in droves, and it's not doing well at the box office anyway.
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