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Name: prettieyez

Comment: Ah Mess!

Name: Brandon

Comment: Wow, doesn't Reggie know that's the same argument that's been used for Sambo, Mammy, and N*gger Jim" for decades?! Focusing on negative stereotypes is never a good thing, because the message delivered is never the intended message. We realize that many of those people exist within our own communities (and in some instances family), but there are too many images like that already depicted on television. I will applaud Reggie on "Baldwin Hills". I watched that show last night (2 epsiodes). Boy am I glad that Tracy Edmonds didn't produce it, because all of her stuff wreaks of negative stereotypes... but "Baldwin Hills" shows another aspect of Black family life (a wealthier, more intelligent, and more progreesive side). That said... EUR, you didn't give the address of the online petition against "Hot Ghetto Mess".

Name: nightshift

Comment: Glad I missed it.

Name: FiveMore

Comment: You would think Reggie Hudlin and Debra Lee had sense enough to know that this show was "hot ghetto" trash.When the preview was first shown, I had a feeling there would be trouble,but I guess the bosses at BET did not feel the same way!I hope the show gets cancelled anyways.These are college educated people making the most uneducated and dangerous decisions on the planet.Oh,brother!shaking my throbbing head!!IMO,"BET we got to do better!"

Name: ChocolateBrownGal

Comment: Great job BET...take every opportunity to further advance the negative depiction/images of black folks that 25/20s have had of us for decades. Why don't you stick a broom up our azzes and sweep the floor with us while you're at it?

Name: leeneepoo

Comment: Whatever happen to the days of Donnie Simpson and his co-host(can not remember her name). Those were the days of good music and clean videos and they will never come back again. During their reign was when BET was at it's best..now BET is a hot ghetto mess...

Name: FiveMore

Comment: leeneepoo>Sherry Carter was Donnie's co-host!

Name: michaelollieclayton

Comment: Let's see now...there were those who thought The Cosby's weren't black enough. There were those who thought The Cosby's were the perfect depiction of "black." There are those who think Hot Ghetto Mess is "black." There are those who think Hot Ghetto Mess is buffoonery. Which clearly shows that we ARE NOT a monolithic bloc. (Are you listening, politicians?) No, this one has nothing to do with the people, the "little man/woman." The fact that this show got greenlighted lay in the purview of the gatekeepers at BET (Hudlin and Lee, among others). To make the story short, there are those who think they know what black folks, as a whole, want. Hot Ghetto Mess appeals to a certain demographic, not the whole demographic. In the end, all y'all did was pimp a low-hanging, "sagging" socioeconomic slice of black culture/life/society. Which means ya' got it wrong, again! But this time, y'all paid with GREEN blood, and deservedly so. Reach for the stars, not the worms (unless you're going fishing, ha-ha). YouTube.com/michaelclayton1

Name: YLawdY

Comment: " that show blacks in unflattering situations that typically illustrate the excesses of so-called hip-hop culture." Sorry guys. I've seen some of the offerings from the HGM website and lack of common sense and bad taste can't be laid at the feet of hip hop.

Name: McNasty

Comment: Lord help us all! I stopped watching bet a few years ago in protest of their unwillingness to step up their programming. I thought then that there was just too much of nothing and the black community only having two stations, tvone and bet, they should at least be representative of the majority of us that are intelligent, educated and hardworking - instead they continually choose to appeal and seek new ways to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

Name: Soulwriter

Comment: thank you, ChocolateBrownGal, well-said. Maybe when BET starts losing big dollars, they will realize that they can no longer pander to the lowest common demonimator of viewership and pass off minstrel shows as 'entertainment.' If there isn't a Top 25 or an awards show on, BET gets no play in my house, period. Its downward spiral in the last 10 years is heartbreaking.....

Name: B00TANEB00TUS

Comment: ...Yo, I've visited the site once or twice...It's a n-word paradise...I know, I know it's meant to show that we could do better as a people but c'mon who do they think they're fooling?...I'm glad the Home Depot and State Farm pulled out...I wanna see what sponsors remain...Malt Liquor, Pimp Juice, G-unit clothes, Sneakers, chicken and waffles joints, ect...If Black folks had their minds right...we'd boycott fuccing BET...That's right, we'd shut them muthafuccers down until they got their sh1t together...just because it's says Black Entertainment Television dosen't mean we have to support it...It's really a tragedy, BET coulda been soooooo valuble to us...While the NAACP was burying the fuccing N-word they shoulda tossed BET in there too...

Name: DrKnowItAll

Comment: I'm gonna go git me sum watermelon, a bucket of the best fried yardbird, take off my shoes and beat foots to the latest jig massa plays when this airs on BET. I can't wait. I want my 9 year old daughter to see black television programming at it's finest. Hot Ghetto Mess. What happened to Teen Summit? The evening news?? Where is Tavis Smiley when you need him. Ed Gordon? Every executive at BET needs to be re-assigned to the kitchen after even allowing this mess out of the boardroom. Every race has people within it that don't necessarily represent themselves well but we don't see it plastered all over the internet and tv like we do so often with blacks. It's embarassing for Debra Lee that something like this even makes news.

Name: bigchassie

Comment: BET-it's time to turn a new leaf! stop this maddness!

Name: Soulwriter

Comment: Dr.KnowItAll has earned the 'Killing Me Softly' Award for the morning.....ROTFLMBAO!!!!

Name: bigchassie

Comment: SOULWRITER>i know that's right but i'm with Boot on this one. BET needs to be boycotted!

Name: andryce76

Comment: that's excellent maybe they will try to get better programming. what happened to teen summit? i grew up watching that show it was informative and it helped out a lot of young people with important issues. what happened to the nightly news? that was important. and the video's i don't mind them i like to hear good music they only show one type and that's azz all in the camera music. show some real r&b music some funk some blues like they used to.viacom will always put bet last on the totem pole

Name: TGen

Comment: Hmmm. It's no secret I'm not a BET fan or watcher, tuned them out a while back. But on this subject I have to admit, my first instinct was not to jump on them for being the IGNANT folks we've come to know them as. My first instinct was that this would be an interesting show...somewhere along the lines of the type of programs MTV has. I don't watch MTV regularly either, but I know that some of their shows are just as IGNANT as this HotGhettoMess show. In both cases, the marginalized are showcased and spotlighted, just like in talk shows ala Jerry Springer and Maury Povich. On one hand, this HGM show can be seen as an ingenius marketing ploy, to take a popular website and turn it into what could be a profitable show. BUT, upon reading the comments here, my eyes are opened a little more and I'm thinking about the OTHER inevitable perspective: from the White guy in Anywhere, USA or the Asian person in HongKong, or even the African in Johannesburg...and how they will be unable to decipher "us" from "them" and how they will think even more that "Black folks have got to be the most IGNANT folk on the face of the earth." lol So with that, I say no to HGM and NO to BET.

Name: musbdherbs

Comment: And I'm sure none of you watch BET anyway so...Flava Life, I love NY, HGM..what's the difference?

Name: wordonthestreet

Comment: We have got to stop feeding into the destruction of our people with these types of shows. We need to stop making azzes of ourselves and begin to create more positive images for all to not only look up, simulate but be proud of. There is a ton of talented young writer who if given the chance could contribute viable show ideas for BET to invest in. Come on now, let's be better.

Name: FiveMore

Comment: Debra Lee is a Stepford(wife)Exec!She has to be on drugs or some type of mind altering narcotics.How can you sit back and watch "your people" be tossed out into the draught?I am so puzzled by this woman's inability to perserve,uplift and strengthen the community.Instead.. they treat us as if we are children or playthings, and give us any old thing!This make me sad/mad!*sighing again*

Name: gingerg

Comment: Hudlin is messing up big time here.

Name: arkansasgirl

Comment: When I first heard about this show, I voiced my concerns about it. Why BET Why?! This shat is ridic...We have a channel that caters to us but they air bullsh^t like this. And that show with Joe Clair and Tocarra is a crop of sh^t. I was flipping through the channels and decided to check it out. I wasted 20 minutes of my time. Tocarra has got to be the worst host ever. All she does is dance around the stage and is the hypeman for Joe Clair. But something I didn't understand. You text your answer in but somehow the "winner" is on the phone line. BET now they got their staff acting like the winners b/c I don't believe they are giving away any money.

Name: gingerg

Comment: You can find the link to the petition on www.atlantajournalconstitution.com

Name: arkansasgirl

Comment: musbdherbs, the difference is those shows are on other networks. BET is for us. Our own network is selling us short. BET needs to do better.

Name: ccognac

Comment: BET is the terrible. Stop watching it. Bob Johnson already told us it's was all about the money/dollars never about awareness. BET is blocked from every television in my home, my children will not watch it if I have anything to do with it. BET=Hot Ghetto Mess, it's garbage.

Name: gingerg

Comment: What happened to Lead Story and Bev Smith's program? They also had shows on fitness and literature. They didn't last.

Name: Angel

Comment: Was this show suppose to be the black version of "Web Junk" that comes on VH-1? That show is funny...but it is about people in general and no focus on one particular group.

Name: oshun

Comment: the only show missing from the bet line up now is "the adventures of man-tan and sleep-and-eat"!

Name: dport

Comment: What ever happened to the fair-skinned hottie from Teen Summit. He seemed to be an young, ambitious intern with BET but I haven't seen his face on anything in a while. I can't even remember his name. Tall, slim Brother....he may have had locks.

Name: indipindintthnkr

Comment: Once again Debra Lee has proven just how out of touch she is with the Black community. All State and Home Depo must of caught a clue (even if it took someone Black putting a bug in there ear) that this negates stereotypes, and all Blacks aren't into bafoonery.

Name: musbdherbs

Comment: Ark..I don't think it makes it any better that blacks, in large numbers, are more than likely the major viewers of Flava and ILNY on other networks. The ridiculousness of it knows no channel..lol I wonder is it worse only becuz this is being shown on TV. I've been receiving the photos from the site for years and I've yet to see an all-out campaign to have it taken down...horrible depictions and all. Did we petition to get BBB taken off-air when he was talking about pulling "dookie-bubble's" out of Whitney's butt...uhm..no cuz ya'll talked about it the next day. Where is PRICELESS When you need her *shrugging shoulders*..lol

Name: candygyrl

Comment: BLACK PEOPLE, WE CAN NOT LET THIS TYPE OF SHOW AIR OR SUPPORT IT!!!! WE SIMPLY CAN NOT DO THIS TO OURSELVES ESPECIALLY SINCE WE ARE TRYING TO RECOVER FROM DON IMUS'S COMMENTS. HOW CAN WE EXPLOIT ALL OF OUR NEGATIVITIES AND "US" DEGRADING OURSELVES WHE WE ARE TRYING TO CONDEMN OTHERS WHO DO THE SAME? BET, PLEASE THINK BEFORE AIRING THIS TYPE OF NEGATIVE SHOW HEN BLACK PEOPLE WILL ONLY BE FURTHER LAUGHED AT AND RIDICULED BY THE WHITE MAN......

Name: musbdherbs

Comment: She's just not in touch with ALL aspects of the black community but certainly w/some.

Name: bigfriend

Comment: I live in ATL and see hot ghetto mess everyday! I was at the airport and saw 2 200lb girls with the tiniest short skirts just showing all the cellulite and draws and little tiny tank tops that showed lassive boobs with big boulder holder grandma bras underneath. Just nasty and when thier friend came to pick them up they were all huggin and kissing and I say to the person i picked up like why doesn't thier friend say something!! It is just accepted I guess. I think this show may be an eye opener. But I also see a double standard here if this was on a regular network someone would be protesting. Because it is BET it is okay?

Name: bigchassie

Comment: I'M curious.....does anybody have on their listing, BET-J? what shows do they have on there? what is it like?

Name: bigchassie

Comment: BIGFRIEND>hey sweetie! *waving from the West End area of the ATL* where you at?

Name: arkansasgirl

Comment: musbd, I agree it's not any better. But I don't think any other network would have picked this show up. I've received some of the pics from the website also. And yes I think it's worse that it's being shown on TV b/c when we receive them in the email more than likely we are sending them to other blacks whereas now EVERYONE will be able to see this foolishness.

Name: allreal1

Comment: I signed the petition. Does BET really want Al Sharpton on their tail!!!! Come on get better programming!!!

Name: allreal1

Comment: I forgot to say.....BET stop trying to be MTV!!! Bring back the old school formula it will work!!!!!!

Name: bigfriend

Comment: After reading the comments I see that it is not okay, not even for BET and I think that is great. Maybe they will understand that they need to get some better programming in general, not just in relation to this show. Before reading the comments I thought the tone was going to be different than it turned out to be.

Name: HHCassius

Comment: BETJ is actually what BET should be. It used to be BET Jazz, which played various live performances by jazz artists, at concerts, festivals overseas, and jazz festivals. Now they do all that plus show old-school videos (THANK GOD!!!) and independent movie shorts helmed by black directors / producers. They also have something like the round table on News & Notes, an NPR (National Public Radio) program that appears to cater to a black demographic. They talk about different issues affecting the black community and our world at large. They also have really nice Caribbean music programming on Saturdays, called Island Lime. I'll restate it. BETJ is what BET should be.

Name: TAZBABY

Comment: This so called Show is unacceptable! BET needs to go away, just go away.

Name: ChocolateBrownGal

Comment: MUS>>>> Bufoonery is bufoonery. I refuse to watch Flav, Charm school, College hill, ILNY, because I see no redeeming qualities in the program or its characters, they are exploited to the highest degree and more importantly, they are exploiting themselves all for the mighty dollar and at what cost? To have 30 seconds of fame? Straight bananas! Well that's 30 secs of my life that I cannot get back nor can I afford to waste. It's mind waste and a waste is a terrible thing to mind. JMO

Name: SpecialK

Comment: BET should be boycotted and Debra Lee needs to be kicked in her azz for even allowing that garbage to air. BET is the worst station on the air. With ignant shows like this one, the one with Toccara (dumbest show since Homeboys from Outer Space)and repeatedly showing the same movies (Baby Boy, Gettin Played, awards shows, etc.) its only a matter of time before they lose a lot of faithful viewers. They definitely lost me. I said it once and I'll say it again, DEBRA LEE NEEDS TO BE KICKED IN HER AZZ!

Name: Renetta

Comment: FINALLY WE STAND. I’m going to check out the ‘What About Our Daughters’ organization. I’m supporting any organization that’s willing to do more than just talk about how bad things are. Thank you Lord. Finally! THIS IS POWER.

Name: Gioiello

Comment: We come from ancestors who were kings, queens, hunters, warriors, village providers and tribal leaders who survived the middle passage, striped of all their identity, enslaved, dealt with Jim Crow, beating, lynching, and worse. Through it all, still became scholars, Nobel Prize winners, inventors, a US Supreme Court Judge, politicians, doctors, and so on. And BET, Hot Ghetto Mess TV show and the website is how we say “thank you” and keep striving for better? If this HGM was going to be broadcasted on CBS, NBC, or ABC you know you wouldn’t be haven’t it. MY PEOPLE, MY PEOPLE WAKE UP AND SIGN THE PETITION!!!! COME ON!!!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!

Name: musbdherbs

Comment: Ark...you touched on the reality to why a lot of people will be turned off by this. That is, black people being concerned about how they're being viewed by non-blacks (not that we shouldn't be). Kinda like the crack-head Uncle who shows up at the family reunion but no one would, at any other time, allow him in their homes or bring them around non-family...lol. CBG...I will say I haven't noticed bufoonery w/college hill in the last two seasons.

Name: musbdherbs

Comment: And I won't be signing a petition...lol

Name: ChocolateBrownGal

Comment: I've posted this before and will do so again. I ABHOR the use of the word 'ghetto' to define trashy, unpleasant, illegal and rude behavior/people. It is a stereotype that doesn't need to perpetuated and surely does not describe all people who happen to reside in low-income housing developments. And the more we use it among ourselves, the more credence we give to others (non-blacks) to use it against us. Get angry about that as well as the word 'ho'. Shame on BET for even including ghetto in the show's title. ELEVATE BET, ELEVATE! UPLIFT the race.

Name: TGen

Comment: Michael Clayton, I loved this that you wrote: "Reach for the stars, not the worms..." When I read that, it just opened up so much clarity for me! Great philosophy!

Name: Stephanie

Comment: Wow! Its amazing how BET has resulted to this. Remember when they had Teen Summit which I thought was excellent, Tavis Smiley and that one show who had that real funny host, I can't remember his name but he would go around to college campus' and clown it was all in fun but he was hiliarious...when they took that show off, I pretty much stopped watching it and just think, it has come to this? I don't even watch BET and haven't for quite some time. This is really what they think of this and its unfortunate that we allow it...wow...wow...

Name: TGen

Comment: ChocolateBrownGal, you've made EXCELLENT comments on this subject. I agree with your early comment in that I too watch none of those shows, don't know how anyone can't feel their IQ slipping with watching each one, lol (don't know if College Hill fits though). And then your last comment about the "ghetto." I was thinking the SAME thing. A lot of our parents grew up in the so-called "ghetto" but went on to go to college and grad school and become professionals and the whole nine (at least was the case with my dad). At any rate, you're right, we should be careful not to equate "poor" with "trashy"--NOT the same thing.

Name: najab

Comment: People still watch BET?

Name: realuvbaby

Comment: Good Morning, EUR INTELLIGENCIA : ) I've not yet read all the posts, but I'd like to also weigh in and add that though we've been beaten and still continue to "struggle" on some levels, but much of our wounds at this point in time are self-inflicted. Exhibit A: "Asked whether the series has been screened for BET's parent company, Viacom, Hudlin told The Hollywood Reporter: 'BET is very autonomous. We don't run ideas past Viacom. It's me having a conversation with my boss, (BET chairman and CEO) Debra Lee." How can we expect others to do for us what we REFUSE to do for ourselves. Respect on all levels must be EARNED.

Name: ChocolateBrownGal

Comment: TGEN and MUS....when I see clips of the black women fightin,cursing and beating each other up over nonsense, I don't see any value in that. That is what I'm referring to re: College Hill. If that is not the case, I stand corrected. TGEN thanks for the compliment. :-D

Name: Mas90

Comment: I was happy to see Viacom add some new programming to BET but I missed this hotghettomess thang. VH-1 airs from time to time a show of peoples Youtube videos, personal videos, etc. Of course VH-1 is owned by Viacom. I did watch Baldwin Hills last night but it was too setup. Especially, the girl just so happenly was in the coffee shop as her friend arrived with her friends. Then all of sudden they were sitting together. Plz. The other setup when Willie (female) was walking down the street talking to another girl trying to set Willie (photographer) with the wanna-be music artist muscleboy (can't think of his name). That was way too setup too. I don't understand why Baldwin Hills is labeled the Hollywood Black Hills cause it is surrounded by OIL Fields, low rent projects, state park, freeway and northwest side of Inglewood. Yeah, I saw watcha name from "What's Love Got To Do WIth It" and SHar Jackson lives in the area but if I had Hollywood money I would not live in Baldwin surrounded by all I've stated. There are no oil pumping machines located in the real Hollywood Hills. So plz, about Baldwin Hills being the black Hywd Hills cause it sounds very low. We can do better.

Name: ChakaTee

Comment: What madness has BET stooped to now?! Unbelievable that they would want to market this. We are the most hated people on this planet! And yet, we have our own perpetuated this madness for a buck! SMH!

Name: musbdherbs

Comment: CBG..yeah you should be corrected..lol The clip was about 2 minutes that was surely not indicative of the entire season or current show for that matter. That was just the juicy part.

Name: gingerg

Comment: Speak on it, Special K.

Name: TGen

Comment: Yall, if you ever wondered why programming of this ilk is so damaging, please check out the comments on the AJC website about this at this url: http://www.accessatlanta.com/blogs/content/shared-blog s/accessatlanta/radiotalk/entries/2007/07/10/710_bet_s how_sp.html.

Name: Platinum

Comment: Kudos to those advertisers who have decided to pull their adds. ChocolateBrownGal you're on a roll today and I agree with all of your comments. I do question the "supposedly intelligent minds" behind the scenes at BET. I can't understand how the black race continue to pick up so many labels that degrades us on so many levels and we find a way to turn it in to entertainment and that's all this Hotghettomess is entertainment no lessons will be learned here. BET use to be about something with a very nice format even Bob Johnson himself said and I quote..... "The "E" in B-E-T stands for entertainment NOT education".... go figure!

Name: BlackThought

Comment: BET aint' nothin' but a black version of MTV. College Hill=Real World, Baldwin Hills=The Hills, Hot Ghetto Mess=Jackass, SOB(DL Hughley)=Punk'd, 106th & Park=TRL. I remember BET when I was a kid and I loved Video Soul, Rap City to name a few. BET used to be it's own entity. Now Viacom steps in and does the classic YT move: pitting us against one another. My point is WE need to stop letting them tell us who we are and stop letting them be the reason we examine ourselves. Michael Richards, Imus now this. If it ain't white, it ain't right. As soon as YT says we got a problem, then we want to get up in arms. We are so brainwashed, it's ridiculous. For all we know, YT could have started HotGhettoMess.com! It starts at home people. Let's stop focusing on what THEY think of US and focus on who we really are, where we are going and what WE need to bring to the table to stregthen us as a people.

Name: BlackThought

Comment: I meant "strengthen".

Name: B00TANEB00TUS

Comment: Yo, anybody remember reading the classic book "The spook who sat by the door"?....Well, Dan Freeman needs to be sitting by the door of the BET offices...What about the movie Drop Squad?...Well, those cats need to drop in on the BET offices...Last, but not least "Bamboozled"...BET has definately bamoozled us...

Name: chryshelisonline

Comment: DPORT...you're most likely talking about Adimu. He was the best host Teen Summit had over the years, although the first host wasn't so bad. I cna't remember her name, but she was married to a basketball player. Adimu was a DJ for a while out here in LA, but got in trouble for revealing the surprise artist that would perform at a much-hyped secret concert heavily promoted on the air. Ironically, the artist was Busta Rhymes in his prime.

Name: bigchassie

Comment: SOUL HAS BEEN PUT...ON ICE...AT BET.

Name: khufu

Comment: pimps.....hudlin and lee are freaking pimps...sold they souls and now are selling the souls of Black folks......may the ancestors kick dey azzez

Name: khufu

Comment: so is AL planning on showing up at BET offices with picket signs and soldiers?

Name: khufu

Comment: AL Sharpton

Name: khufu

Comment: NAACP..how about burying these 3 letters: B E T...man, isnt the national office of NAACP right around the corner from BET? The NAACP should be symbolically out in front of BET's offices burning Debra Lee effigies

Name: khufu

Name: khufu

Comment: MONEY, MONEY, MONEY....This is what drives Hudlin, Lee and BET.....sold out their brothers, mothers, sisters, children, grandparents and ancestors

Name: khufu

Comment: No comment.....Name: dport Comment: What ever happened to the fair-skinned hottie from Teen Summit. He seemed to be an young, ambitious intern with BET but I haven't seen his face on anything in a while. I can't even remember his name. Tall, slim Brother....he may have had locks.

Name: B00TANEB00TUS

Comment: ...Yo, what's that saying?...You don't have to show a slave the back door, He'll automatically find it and go there...

Name: mydchomegirl

Comment: Let's just say anybody that co-wrote "Norbit" can't equate to anything uplifting the black community. Charlie Murphy is a modern day "Stepin Fetchit". BET is the premier African American Entertainment station and this is what they're offering! I must commend Kathy Hughes and TV One for airing "Roots" and "Throwback Theatre" and other classic African American TV Shows. One would think that with all of the resources that BET has that they will offer better programming than 20 hours of "106 & Park." We can't blame Imus and Michael Richards for this one! I too commend State Farm and Home Depot for pulling out before it even gets started. Lets shut this Sambo Show down before it even get's started. We have to be more proactive in our community before the Imus & Richards incidents occur, even if it's in our own backyard!

Name: michaelollieclayton

Comment: You know, some of us, perhaps even most of us, kinda feed the notion that all blacks identify with HGM type stuff because a lot of folks know that on some level out in public we ebonicize, we use slang, we act the caricature. Yes, most of us get "street" in order to reinforce to other blacks around us that we are "black," uh, "down." I know when I was younger, more naive, and misinformed, I would fall into character without fail anytime I was around black males. For some reason, I never felt I had to fly my street cred flag for sistas. But tied all in one neat little bundle, we all have ourselves to blame for some of the misperceptions of us, ya' think? I'd be a liar, dishonest, and self-deceptive not to admit my part in the "mess" we're in. YouTube.com/michaelclayton1

Name: TesticAl

Comment: The show will be on that coon-nig-ger tip for real. The website is even terrible. What trips me out the prom attire. The kids and their parents need their muhfuckkin' azzes whipped for leaving the house looking like that. Damn shame. LMAO!

Name: queeniebunz

Comment: I am glad to see so many people as offended by BET's depictions of us as I am. I really don't care what whitey thinks of us. I care what we think of us. I was talking to a friend yesterday about DC and the gentrification process and how black folk are being priced out of DC. He tried to blame it on white folk. I don’t blame them for it. I blame us, if blame is to be assigned. I have lived in the DC area most of my life and I watched my people destroy my childhood neighborhood w/drugs. I watched the drug wars of the late 80s-90s and the Rayful Edmonds types and the other drug king pins and the violence and the club stabbings and shootings. I watched DC become the murder capital and it was black folk killing black folk. I see the raggety triflin’ kids in my neighborhood having babies too young and acting like fools in the condo parking lot and generally bringing down the value of the condo I bought. I see them littering 2 feet away from a trashcan and it infuriates me. Now I see this HGM and it just makes me shake my head. We cannot blame white folk for mess like this. We cannot blame Viacom or whoever for mess like this anymore than we can “blame” Jerry Springer or Maury Povich or whoever else for our people going on their shows and blasting to the world that our people sometimes act like idiots and don’t know who they slept with or who they baby daddy is. I am tired of my people acting like such idiots. Especially when I suffer the consequences and can’t do a dang thing about it. I am so tired of my people embarrassing me!!!

Name: soulmusic101

Comment: MUSB...LOL...You are in rare form today...I am kicking back with a glass of water and enjoying the uproar. I am on the verge of canceling Cable anyway...all I need is the Net for my Info. I don't even watch CNN any longer and TV is now just a time bandit. Working out, reading, talking to Family, Loved ones, and friends, the Job, and may go back to School to upgrade that Mind...LOL... oh and listening to good music. Cable is over 30 bucks a month anyway, not worth it...HaHa

Name: queeniebunz

Comment: Yet on the flip side I am tired of so-called intellectuals like Cosby embarrassing me, too. I am also tired of bourgie blacks looking down on each other because of skin color or because most of us don't come from old black money and can't pass a paper bag test. And, I'm tired of pretentious groups like Jack-n-Jill and the Links, etc. that divide us even more. The worst thing for me is to see a so-called, self-proclaimed bourgie person act more "ghetto" than a so-called ghetto person. Example - not tipping is TRIFLIN'!!! And, berating a waiter/waitress and acting all sididee and demanding in a restaurant is low-class too and does not make you a high-class person. It makes you look ignorant, demanding and b*tchy, ladies! I know - I've sat down to eat with you and as a waitress I've waited on your uppity azzes. You look ridiculous!!! So, I figure that if I'm going to criticize the "ghetto folk", I'm gonna come at the triflin' bourgie folk too cuz I really can't stand your antics any more than I can stand Tiquisha on Maury Povich saying this time she's sure she knows who the daddy is! A money management class is not effective if the only thing you talk about is how to get a BMW or a Benz used so you can have one! You are supposed to talk about mutual funds, money market accounts, saving money, buying property and reducing your credit! Get with me people!!!!

Name: gingerg

Comment: I hear you, Queenie. I struggled with the decision of whether or not to continue living in the community. As the crime rate, blight, etc. has continued, I chose another diverse community. I would love to be completely surrounded by black people on all sides, but I, too, have seen the failure to cut the grass, hanging out at all hours wearing clothes that are 10 sizes too big and baby mamas with one kid on the hip, one in the stroller and one in the belly. I can't stand it. We are so much better than that. Our forefathers didn't struggle and die so that we could live like that.

Name: khufu

Comment: I know Hudlin has read this, not sure D Lee has: "Toms, Coons, Mulattoes, Mammies & Bucks: An Interpretive History of Blacks in American Films by Donald Bogle"

Name: khufu

Comment: SO WHAT WE GON' DO!!? IM READY TO ROLL.....

Name: khufu

Comment: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1 1515784......What Makes the TV Industry Tick?....Talk of the Nation, June 28, 2007 · Writer Lee Siegel has watched years worth of dramas, sitcoms, reality shows and news as the television critic for The New Republic. In a collection of essays, Siegel discusses the evolving television landscape. Lee Siegel, author, Not Remotely Controlled: Notes on Television; television critic, The New Republic

Name: SilentJay

Comment: There is something ironic about a network that for the last several years has been breaking down black pride and our collective esteem now trying to put a show on the air that attempts to point out the things we dislike about certain apects of poppular culture that orginates from SOME members of our so called community. BET has been in a downward spiral of degragding entertainment for some time now and now they wan't hit us wit a show that will supposedly exposes the negative aspects of black culture. Notice I said black and not HIP-HOP culture because the crass materialism and the celebration of igance didn't begin with HIP-HOP and frankly I'm getting a littel tired HIP-HOP taking all the heat for it. I guess the question is how do we discuss the things we find disgusting without gving further amunition to people like Bill O'Reilly or even Stanley Crouch(he was on Oprah for that lopsided forum). To be fair I tried to check out the website before I wrote this but the links to the content weren't working correctly. Rule #1, if your going to have a website that critisizes all things ghetto make sure websites works when people click on it. Just a little tip from me to whom ever is managing the site. I dont' thinks this show is really going to be the best forum for talking about these things either but I submit that we hold our collective indignation for the premier and render our final judgement by paying attention to the few remaining products that will be advertised during the show and boycott the he!! out those products. While we're at it Lets send emails and letters to BET and let them that we agree Allreal 1 and stop trying to copy what MTV doees with lame reality shows and and Punked knock offs. Let's get back to balance of music vids and information. Bring back Ourvoices and BET news, bring back some real original content Oh and by the the way, NO I dont think Uncle Jeff and Meet the Faith are enough to make up for what we lost so you all (BET) could compete with MTV and VH1. Bring back some pride back to the network please!

Name: musbdherbs

Comment: We should clear our heads of the notions that our lone actions are what dictates how non-black people respond to/view us. If that were the case, then everyone would love us thanks to the many efforts most blacks put into living fruitful, law-abiding lives. We were raped, tar, feathered, and put in the back of the bus not because of hotghettomess but because of that "thing" innate in those persecutors which made them do it. Of course we have made strides but until we, across the board, stop expecting the media to do the jobs that parents/community should do, then we'll make progress. At that point we can have a unified voice to attack the institution.

Name: Closet_Nerd_Girl

Comment: Well, well, well..... Looks like BET has gotten itself caught up in a "hot ghetto mess!!!!" Anywho, Home Depot and State Farm have upped their cool points quotient with me exponentially.

Name: Rahwaykid1

Comment: Thank you, queeniebunz, for such heartfelt and important words. The people who should be educated about this type of programming on BET do not post on these boards. And a good amount don't even read mags or books. They're all on myspace. But we grownups have the power. And I'm glad that this minstrel show is done. If our images and how they're portrayed matter to us, and I know they do, than for the sake of generations behind us, we have to use our power to raise the bar. BET ain't goin' nowhere. It was said earlier, cash rules everything around 'em. The only way they, and others, get the message is to cut off the flow.

Name: musbdherbs

Comment: QUEENIE, the first step is to "try" to stop being embarassed by what other blacks do. What exactly does that do for you? I understand it being a concern but we can't continue to champion ourselves to change our mindset when things like "embarassment" does nothing to advance any sort of progression. I do sense that you are more MAD than embarassed tho'...lol Black/Black crime, drugs, and teenage pregnancy is not to blame for gentrification. Black people, irrespective of socio-economic standing are to blame. I also live in DC..SE to be exact and have decided I'm moving to Atlanta. I'll be damned if I pay 380K to live in a small azz townhome in the hood where there were three killings in the past 6 mo's...one directly in front of the lot where the townhomes are. DC (crime and all) is just too mfkng expensive for me to have the quality of living my salary dictates. Fk outta here!

Name: ChocolateBrownGal

Comment: SILENT JAY>> Mus...love the line "but until we, across the board, stop expecting the media to do the jobs that parents/community should do, then we'll make progress. At that point we can have a unified voice to attack the institution".....Well said even if you did try to put me on blast earlier^ LOL

Name: khufu

Comment: MUSB..imagine that..."unity in the community' imagine that.......

Name: mseffy

Comment: I don't recall hearing that there was a show called HOT TRAILER TRASH. Or HOT RED-NECK MESS; or ONE-SIDED-MEDIA COVERAGE MESS! But here comes BET with their new slate of managers, drawn from some of the largest and best known corporate outlets in America, authorizing a new slate of programming to address the needs of BET's core audience. Oh.

Name: ChocolateBrownGal

Comment: Oops...I meant to add SILENT JAY, true so true! MUS...you took the words right out my head on your last post. We've been down this road before on this board.

Name: FiveMore

Comment: **Giving dap to SilentJay and QueenieB*Khufu>Since you ignored my questions from earlier in the week,Do you understand the signifigance of being sober minded/clear thinking.You do not have to respond to this,though!It's cool!!!

Name: lovebites

Comment: B00TANEB00TUS i love you. will you marry me. you always come on time.

Name: SilentJay

Comment: This is my first post in awhile, so to CB Gal, when did I put you on blast? As for Five more what does that question mean?

Name: B00TANEB00TUS

Comment: Imma take us to 100 posts here we go...Fucc BET

Name: B00TANEB00TUS

Comment: ...fucc BET!

Name: B00TANEB00TUS

Comment: FUCC BET... are we at 100 yet?

Name: FiveMore

Comment: SilentJay>I do not want to open up a can of worms today,so please go and read Friday/Monday's Free4all board.Khufu and I had a small exchange about a few things!It's okay, though!

Name: FiveMore

Comment: lol@Boots!Yeah,Forget about BET!!!Debra Lee is stoned out of mind!Reginald Hudlin runs all kind of crap by her and she do not say nothing!

Name: SilentJay

Comment: Under which topic Fivemore?

Name: ChocolateBrownGal

Comment: Silent Jay...that wasn't meant for you...it was in error. I corrected in my next post.

Name: SilentJay

Comment: I just wanted to make sure I had't said to offend you CB Gal, thanks for cleariing that up

Name: mydchomegirl

Comment: >Queen,musddherbs,khufu,and all of my dc area folks... Look out for the upcoming[Congressional Black Caucus] CBC Issue Forum during the Annual Legislative Conference, September 26 - 29, 2007 at the Washington Convention Center entitled "Black Love IV - Lovin the Skin I"m In: A Conversation on Imagery and the Color Complex in the 21st Century." It will address alot of the issues discussed today. For futher information you can check the following website - www.cbcfinc.org

Name: FiveMore

Comment: Silent>Have you ever visited the Free 4 All page?"talk about things we have not covered etc..."Scroll down and click on the free4allpage.Monday's free4all page.

Name: JGGIRL

Comment: So the Hip hop culture is not responsible for our young boys walking around with pants falling off their behinds, hats crooked to the side, silver and gold "grills" in their mouths, being proud of being pimps with "ho's" and "%*$!(es" to spare, being to be baby daddy's and baby mamma? Then who is? BTW, TI sold almost 500,000 cd's last week? How many gospel cd's sold?

Name: ChocolateBrownGal

Comment: At the end of the day, I DO NOT CARE what 25/20 thinks about me. They are going to form their own negative opinions because they CHOOSE to do so. I know I come from royalty! I know I am talented, bright, capable exceptional. I look at what my parents, my ancestors, my race has achieved and believe in our success. I DO CARE about how and what my son and all of OUR children think and how they view themselves as they contribute to the future of our race. Our efforts should be placed in making sure that OUR children KNOW they the offspring of great ability and brillant minds and thus can be equally as or better than great. So again, I say shame on BET for not taking a higher road and instead, choosing to sell our children/people at below market value.

Name: SweetieDarlin

Comment: Unfortunately,and forgive me if this was already pointed out---To coin the phrase from the 70s song: Every Brother ain't a Brother and Every Sister ain't a Sister. We keep expecting the programmers at BET to have the community's best interest at heart simply because they are black. As long as they get paid, it doesn't matter and no doubt their thought would be if no one acted like this there would be no depiction of it (hmm remember many posters on this very site said that it isn't a stereotype if someone acts in that manner.) They are banking on the same crowd tht watches other Train Wreck Reality shows to watch this as well but even they have standards, (this includes me so I'm not talking about anyone for wathcing what they watch) this was a total miscalculation on how low we are willing to go in the name of entertainment. Unfortunately when BET took off their good programming they claimed that no one watched it and no one really protested so they were free to pursue the ratings as opposed to getting smaller rating but better quality. With all that said, however, we can not depend on TV to uplift a race of people, only we as a community can do that.

Name: MzTee

Comment: I swear we can be our own worst enemy sometimes. BET needs to change its name from Black Entertainment Television to Black Minstrel Television. BET is just adding fuel to the fire and making it easier for closeted racists to continue to make stupid remarks about black folks by showing us exhibiting stereotypical behavior. As Ms. Celie in the Color Purple said, "What us gone do?"

Name: TesticAl

Comment: *Does The Bird like Morris Day* Oh wee Oh wee oh!

Name: realuvbaby

Comment: Next Target: DL Hughley's show about offensive behavior. I hope they pull the plug on that one.

Name: musbdherbs

Comment: lolol@AL. I'm sitting here doing that stupid dance while I type..lol CBG..wut u talk'n bout Willis..I was just saying..... DChome..preciate the look out. We got the info a couple of months ago and I was interested in seeing what it woul dbe like. JGGirl, don't confuse "influence" with "responsibility" Hip-hop influences that sort of culture but it does not "make" anyone do anything. As much as my sister like dancing to "Me So Horny," my mother would've slapt the shyt out of her if she chose to dress like the women on those videos or do any of those dances where the public could see it. Hell my mother knocked my azz out for tripp'n bout not get'n the right kinda of parachute pants! So it has to go back to the "home" BTW, most genres outsell Gospel..lol

Name: JGGIRL

Comment: Musb, there aren't a whole lot of mothers out there like yours. So if the media did not glorify this type of behavior and bombard our children with it, I think a lot of it would just go away. But we know that is not about to happen because money is involved. And yes I know that most genres outsell gospel. But right now rap and hip hop are practically outselling everything and it is a shame.

Name: musbdherbs

Comment: JG..most mothers I know are like my mom to an extent. So I disagree that they're aren't a whole lot of responsible parents out there. Again, popular culture influences a lot of things. But, if the concern is what our kids are emulating, then why exactly would parents allow their kids to watch BET? These rogue kids don't pay the cable bills. These kids aren't purchasing these clothes with their own money. Hip-hop does not put the clothes in the closet..the parents do. I'm not speaking from fact but I believe that both pop and country outsell Hip-hop by a longshot....

Name: JGGIRL

Comment: Country and pop are not selling to our black kids and you are making my point - there are not a lot of responsible parents out there because our kids ARE watching this trash on BET and emulating this behavior. If they didn't see so much of it why would they want it and why would their parents feel compelled to buy it?

Name: JGGIRL

Comment: ps - I live in Atlanta right near a black high school and I see it every single day!

Name: soulmusic101

Comment: People are buying Country and Pop, Hip Hop/Ran is ona decline. You have your occasional T.I. but the day's of OutKast, Tupac, Nelly, and others are over...back to lurking...lol

Name: soulmusic101

Comment: Oh yeah...Hip Hop is a strong seller in Ringtones...

Name: musbdherbs

Comment: JG..even the best parents raise kids that are influenced by hip-hop culture. I know because I work with them every weekend. It's almost impossible to escape. I think you are confusing the influence with what is acceptable in the home. Do not think that my sister didn't put on her tight jeans and skirts when she went to school. The only thing even the best parent can do is provide at home where high values are promoted throughout. They can not dictate what that child does once they are out of their reach. Influence..yes..dictate..no. There is a direct economic benefit that the industry does not want to end. I don't care how compelled a parent may feel, buying a begging child pants that don't fit is not a "because of hip-hop" thing because they don't have to buy it.

Name: queeniebunz

Comment: >musb - Um, I used to live in Atlanta. You will get more house for your buck but you will also get country ghetto folk, a lot of DC transplants, NYC transplants, Philly transplants, etc. In addition to that, you will get country transplants from Alabama, Florida, Tennessee, etc. And you will see a plethura of confederate flags (that frankly infuriate me). So have at "Hot-lanta" but I gave that mess back and came back home to DC. The folk down there are too complacent w/BS...even more than people here. As long as they are getting paid, they let white folk treat them any ole kinda way and I'm too militant for that mess! And the kids - I taught school down there for 2 year - well, um, have fun! LOL!

Name: michaelollieclayton

Comment: ...and so, the day ends, the sun sets, and nothing at all really, truly gets done on these message boards, except the spewing of hot, hot air in the form of print, just the same way nothing really gets done in the city...which is why i left the city and took over the mantle of my family's 197 acre farm...far, far away from the so-called ghetto...but, ya' know, once or so a week, i am overtaken by fever and take my %*$ to the club once, twice and walk away somehow connected, connected, connected...i can't explain it...i am college-educated, i am not rich, but i am financially independent, but still, i just can't seem to walk away from my nikkas...no matter what, no matter how dysfunctional...i can't...i can't!!!...maybe i need twelve steps

Name: SoBayish

Comment: I'd like to thank EUR for bringing this to our attention. I don't watch BET and although I miss, "My Model is Better than Your Model", I will not support BETJ either. It's sad because BETJ is a great channel but just because BET provided an alternative to bootyshakin' videos and ignorance, there is still so much more that needs to be done. Why are we being ignored? I am scared for the generations coming after us. As a person born in 78, I have to ask, "Are we the ones responsible for this?" Leeneepoo, her name is Sherry Carter...lol...

Name: SoBayish

Comment: Have you guys noticed that "The Last Days of Left Eye" never airs on VH1? I've been trying to catch it several times and it seems to come on like once a month. Why don't they show that more? And show Charm School less...

Name: musbdherbs

Comment: Queenie..you better be glad I think you mean well..lol BUT, I am a southern-bred, country, ghetto azz negro from way down in the dirty deep who would vehemently object to your misrepresentation of where I call home. DC is THE melting pot and absolutely NOTHING can get worse than the native DC culture you find here. I don't have a problem w/country "ghetto" folk. That's fam for me. Growing up down there I can say that I didn't grow up or in neighborhoods with confed flags nor did any of my yt friends have them. What I can say is that I don't have to live out in the boondocks nor pay astronomical prices to live in non-ghetto azz neighborhoods like here in dc. Sure, there are regional differences but it all depends on your perspective. Of all my family who have visited DC, none of them like it as a place to live and neither do I. *Let me smoke a newport on this one cuz u bout to "rise my temperature"..lol

Name: musbdherbs

Comment: Wait a minute..my black azz don't even smoke dem cancer sticks...

Name: Angel

Comment: Musb - I'm FROM Atlanta and have lived in DC, too. Don't listen to Queeniebunz. Both places have their faults...I guess electing a crackhead as mayor in DC is not seen as being complacent with BS, but that's just me. LOL

Name: Angel

Comment: Musb - I posted before I saw yours. My blood pressure was rising when I read that ish. LOL

Name: OSUN

Comment: Angel- rotflmbao. Anything coming from DC is suspect when you re-elect a crackhead. All credibility is lost.

Name: musbdherbs

Comment: Angel..it amazes me how often I hear people from DC (of all places) say the same thing as queenie. I won't cybersmack her but I swear...DC should be last in line to talk about any city..especially Atlanta.

Name: TesticAl

Comment: *sips Pimp juice while making some "RED" Kool-Aid, with a watermelon on the table and a Final Call in one hand* So what time are we all meeting at Herb's house to watch this shyt?

Name: Angel

Comment: Musb - Do folks in DC even have a vote in Congress yet? Talk about being complacent with BS. Poor Eleanor Holmes working her azz off and her votes (the last I checked) don't even count. LOL

Name: realuvbaby

Comment: Hey bigchassie and BIGFRIEND <waving to y'all from Forest Park>. I LOVE the West End. Feels a lot like home -- BROOKLYN.

Name: Beezyuu

Comment: I wish BET would disappear off the face of the earth. It's just getting worst and worst and Barbara Lee act as though she's blind to the whole situation. BET please go away.

Name: RMP7772000

Comment: I knew when Mr. Johnson retired and turned it over to that female, she would not do well. She's a dollar chaser. And Tracey Edmond should have stayed married and in the back ground of Baby Face! Just my opinion!

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