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Olivia
Comment: I have always thought people use the word "ghetto" (not in it's original meaning) as a derogatory adjective. Originally it was used to indicate a neglected, poor, economically deprived neighborhoods. Now it used to describe black people as poor, uncouth, ignorant people.
For me, it is associated with race because over the years I have watched people start to using examples about cultural black norms as "you ghetto". Using the term ghetto describe people is surely derogatory and classist mockery.
The website called Hot Ghetto Mess is basically a collection of photos of ) people with so called "Questionable" hairdos, questionable fashion, etc. Black folks are no different than others, yes we have sub-cultures (A subculture is a set of people with a set of behaviors and beliefs, which could be distinct or hidden, that differentiate them from the larger culture) black folks who like purple, green orange hair...black sub-cultures who are bikers..but this is not about sub-cultures within a group..it's about finding a way to show black folks as ignorant who are not apart of that subculture. I could see if it was Funniest home videos, but it's not...it specially uses the word Ghetto for a reason..
BET is currently soliciting videos as just another way to belittle po' black folks. A while back network TV was going to take some REAL Appalachian people and "recreate" the Beverly Hillbillies, but protest shut that down.
To me the use of the term ghetto intends to shame and humiliate black poor people, hell black folks in general. The whole thing that "anybody" can be Ghetto is false because whites and others are ONLY called non-black people ghetto when people think the are "acting" like poor blacks.
I swear people enjoy "laughing" at others until it's their turn.
You don't have to agree, it's just my opinion
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FiveMore
Comment: What is he the new Rev.Jim Jones telling us(those members of the People's Temple) to drink cyanide laced Kool-Aid?Uh,Uh!I'll pass on this one, dude!Reginald, you my brother, is a natural fool.Viacom is probaly trying to shut the channel down to save more money anyway.Explain away but I still aint buying it!
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andryce76
Comment: d-mn olivia write a novel why dontcha but i couldn't agree more. BET knows they are wrong and but look at the station has been wrong for awhile now the only way to protest is don't watch the show don't support BET that will show them you mean buisness and not just talking
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ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: Again, do images black/white folks "in outragioues and extreme situations deeemed low class" and "dysfunctional elements of our community" have to be defined as GHETTO? Pedophilia, incest, child/parent abuse/neglect, physical or mental abuse, children forced to raise their siblings & care for the household while parents are living it up is dysfunctional. Talking loud and using poor & vulgar grammar is sheer poor taste and, perhaps, indicative of a limited vocabulary and education. My grandmothers had nothing more than a 6th gr. ed. and could (LOL), but were never considered Ghetto. Living beyond your means and house poor is poor judgement and irresponsible financial management. And many in our communities (YTs too) are living WAY beyond our means...and I'm certain we would NEVER classify ourselves as GHETTO. We'd call it robbing Peter to pay Paul.
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pdub
Comment: I am not surprised that the head of programming at BET would encourage us to watch. That's his job!! However, I will not be watching HGM or anything else on BET anytime soon. I personally don't need to give this program a chance because I fail to see what value there is in airing this crap. BET management and the exec. producer/founder of the website can say all they want about this being a positive thing...I am not buying it.
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ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: *dang you EUR*...that should have read ..." My grandmothers had nothing more than a 6th gr. ed. and could never make a noun and a verb agree(LOL), but were never considered Ghetto.
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McNasty
Comment: Why would he bother to try to explain what hgm is? We all know and still I can't imagine watching the actual show. I don't even like the website - no where can I go to find some of the most misguided, mismatched, low rent, (have to be unemployed to have the time to put some of that shat together) individuals I've ever seen in my life! If you can go through that site and get to a certain point that you actually begin to feel bad then you know what I'm talking about - it's kinda like those that used to hide their children with disabilities - where this site brings out all that is wrong and I don't see the entertainment value let along the intellect.
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realuvbaby
Comment: Who needs the images. I see the sh** every day on MARTA. There's absolutely NO excuse for pandering to the lowest element of humanity. PERIOD. We must respect our history and how and why we are on these shores in the first place. I believe people watch these shows because of egos. When you see people acting out, it makes you feel better about yourselves. I was watching Roots this weekend and when Alex told his father he was writing this book about Malcolm and opression, etc., Alex's father said: He just believes that dirty laundry should be washed at home and not in public. And that's how I feel about this mess. So what it exists, who needs to see it? I'd rather honor the legacy of those who endured being TREATED like they were some mess, yet paved the way for us to be able to express ourselves. For years the black community was silenced and now that we have our voice, look what BLACK ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION chooses to broadcast. Not the rich history tht is Black Entertainment -- but the lowest aspect of our humanity as black folk and put it on so the whole world to see say don't judge. Sad thing is we've fallen for the okey doke ourselves: If it's not ghetto, if it doesn't have a h.o., a b.i.t.c.h., a n.i.g.g.a or a thug, it has no value. When in reality we are really doing the work for the supremacists. I don't care how they want to spin this. NO EXCUSE. NO VALUE. The only value can be found in the bottom line and that's what all those corporations are about anyway. BET shame on you for even trying to justify this bull!
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McNasty
Comment: Olivia it's less about what that subculture has become to some and more about the fact that if you ask any of them if they are offended by being called ghetto you would hear a resounding no, they have embraced it! I believe because it has been embraced some of y'all are just gonna have to get over it - its here just like nicca!
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archcookies
Comment: No matter how you cut it nobody wants to be bombarded with images of fools. We need to keep the ghetto in the ghetto we already have white kids having ghetto parties and reenacting what they preceive black life is like, do all of us drink 40s? All of us are not hoochies, pimps, druggies etc. BET is just trying to defend the indefensible.
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TGen
Comment: Excellent post Olivia.
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sweetpea
Comment: I agree with all the above posts. I stopped watching BET a long time ago. As far as I'm concern, BET is a HOT GHETTO MESS.
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PBF_19
Comment: BET is ridiculous, where are all the QUALITY programming.
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Story2tell
Comment: >realuvbaby - you summed it up in those four words...NO EXCUSE. NO VALUE. That speaks volumes!!!
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jornar
Comment: Olivia and others...who posted above, I agree with you. I will not be watching this show.
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DOne
Comment: I don't watch BET anymore and have no interest in this show, but what I don't understand is why people are so critical of BET but no one is ever critical of VH1 with Flavor Fav and that New York show; what's the difference?
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archcookies
Comment: >DOne I don't support VH1 and those shows Flavor Fav and that New York. Again these are examples of the most ignorant self deluded segment of society.
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FiveMore
Comment: Where is the Drop Squad?We really need them right now!
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khufu
Comment: Bravo to Olivia...your comments need to go out to media and BET......
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khufu
Comment: Shame that such fine educated Blackmen such as Hudlin the the attorney who created the website are idiots...sellouts. Is this what it has become? Shame
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SpecialK
Comment: realuvbaby: Excellent post. BET has no shame and will do anything to make a dollar. Like the poster said earlier I see this ghetto mess in every day life so why do we need this to be aired on national tv? Uplift the race, not demean it. What's sad is that ghetto mess does not speak about most AA's.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: co-sign Olivia . . . hotghettomess = ewww
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khufu
Comment: One thing though Olivia, do we assume that only "poor [B]lacks" act foolishly? Methinks, again, that the behavior of Hudlin and the Attorney is "ghetto."
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khufu
Comment: SPecial K...are you SURE that the show does not reflect the sad reality of the majority of Black folks? Im not saying it does...Im just asking.
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khufu
Comment: whoever said (and this is a self-reflective inquiry, as well) that this Hudlin had any real progressive political, social or cultural consciousness anyway?
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FiveMore
Comment: DOne>Uhmmm,I think the reason we are so critical is that these shows are produced/given the green light by persons of color, who have no thought for the race as a unit and Maybe because BET was founded by an African American male from the state of Mississippi.When white folks depict us as ignorarant shuffling negroes,it hurts but when your own race sends this message out to America the wound leads to death.It's like a death blow of sorts!How are you going to make fun of your people like it is no problem? And then have the nerve to give the public at large a two-bit explanation.Reginald needs to go and sit down somewhere and take Debra Lee too)!
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mat212
Comment: I'll watch that if YOU'LL read this:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/200705 09-12.html
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khufu
Comment: was DONE serious with that question?
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gingerg
Comment: I hope more sponsors (in general) pull out. Debra Lee and Reginald Hudlin need to sit the azzes down right now.
I find both of them disgusting. Anything for the money, huh?
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: Dayum man, are we not worthy of quality programming...Dosen't our feelings account for anything?..BET needs to change those letters to UTET...Uncle Tom Entertainment Television...This whole idea is to make fun of Black folks...Isn't there enuff of that sh1t going on...Hudlin and that other cat can slice it anyway they wanna...It's all bullsh1t...The sad part about this is BET wouldn't air this sh1t if there wasn't a audience for it...
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cuteleggs
Comment: Preach Olivia!!! Their big mistake was calling it a Hot Ghetto Mess. They should have sneaked it on air under another name. Now we got a Snoop reality show. Oh boy. Get the petition ready. All that comes out of his mount is Blunts, %*$!(es and Hoes.
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oshun
Comment: hey mat212: i couldn't find the document from the link you posted. what was it? got a sista curious now!
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katgrrrl
Comment: Part of me wants to say of course we're gettin' upset at BET wanting to air this! It's holding a mirror up to ourselves. Not all of us personally, but let's be real, this IS a slice of our reality. I'd love for those of us who do carry on in that way to see Hot Ghetto Mess and say to themselves, "d*amn, is that me? Is that how I'm representing my people?" and turn themselves around. On the other hand, the people who are acting this way may NEVER see anything wrong with it and HGM ain't gonna change that, so I dunno... <> And why are we so worried about how THEY see us? I'm sure they ain't thinkin' about US their people are acting like idiots on Springer and on the show "Jack@$$".
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bigfriend
Comment: This is the point I was making to a co-worker. I think this show in addition to being funny with Charlie Murphy and all, would be enlightening. Obviously, some people do not know the difference between being stylish and being a hot mess. Maybe some people with see this show and then look at themselves and realize that they need to change their look... then I do not have to see them on the street and laugh or shake my head.
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Renetta
Comment: Yeah, and I’m Hallie Berry. Hudlin is trying to pimp us. Save the wrap for some other dumb $%! I ain’t buyin it. BET had the opportunity to present what’s best in us as a people but they opted to continually project what’s worst in us. That’s why most blacks have turned away from them. What a shame. To have (once had before the idiot sold it) an all black station that could have shown classic black films, intelligent talk shows, intelligent comedians, etc but they choose instead to do coon shows reruns and have women’s azzes all over the screen. Fck BET for the chance they wasted anf FCK FCK FCK Hudlin with his lian azz pimp azz bullshyt.
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FiveMore
Comment: Khufu>The attorney is a black female.
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musbdherbs
Comment: So there's a consensus that you guys won't be watching it. I know think that I will. It seems as if this show is similar to the very, very, negative and degrading remarks made by BLACKS about OTHER blacks. These same people are the ones who are so offended by the show. But it has yet to stop them from saying it. We can talk about it..just don't show it on TV. Oh ok, well I guess that'll make sense. I'll be tuning in.
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NueNue
Comment: The Jena Six: New Lynching
http://www.whileseated.org/photo/003244.shtml
Petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/aZ51CqmR/petition.html
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jess
Comment: Oh, so it's just the name of the show that's F'ed up. I'm sick lying azzed negro sellouts, exploiting the very worst in our community. He needs his azz kicked for comparing what Cosby is doing to this mess.
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barnone
Comment: when i read things like this, reflect on what we've come from as a people and how low we've fallen it's truly disheartening. our people truly do parish 4 the lack of knowledge. my people never cease 2 amaze me. i revere the day 4 the Omnipotent One 2 just wash it all away. damn i understand why God grieved the day he made man. we r wise 2 do evil, but 2 do good in His sight, we know not.
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LazySusan
Comment: I have watched FOL, New York's show and Charmed School and have thoroughly enjoyed them. I'm not saying the content was right or that it didn't make people look bad(there were plenty of White fools on those shows too). But I almost expect to see that sort of foolishness on VH-1. And the shows were so obviously scripted that I didn't see anything 'real' about them. Reginald Hudlin came in to this thing giving the impression that he was going to use some common sense. My problem now with him is this: one has to wonder...HOW HARD IS IT TO PROGRAM A NETWORK???? I mean look at the Spanish channel. All they have done is copied what you see on the regular White networks. So all Reginald Hudlin has to do is come up with a Black version of the 'Today Show' or 'Good Morning America'. Then come up with maybe a Black Rachel Ray(I'm thinking B. Smith). I'm sure there are more than enough Black women or maybe even men, that know something about cooking and home decorating. Put on a game show daymit! Give us some Black soaps....Black talk shows...Black newscasts....black nighttime dramas or reality shows(that Baldwin Hills is half azzed but a good start). Maybe a Black Jay Leno or Lettermen....then after that show those tired repeats of 'The Wayans Brothers' or 'Jamie Foxx'. If Hudlin still wants to show those ridiculous videos late at night do that. But you couldn't tell me Hudlin couldn't draw in more viewers if at the very least, he did one or two of those things I listed.
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jess
Comment: LazySusan> Excellent post.
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Exmun
Comment: The last EUR article states that State Farm Ins. and Home Depot pulled their sponsorship and that AT&T, Target, and DaimlerChrsler appeared to be current sponsors. I would encourage you to send complaint letters to the three known sponsors, AT&T, Target, and DaimlerChrysler. I did.
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McNasty
Comment: Bigfriend you are usually on the opposite side of articles like this, the fact that you think hgm would be funny in and of itself speaks volumes.
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DOne
Comment: Yes I was serious about my question. 1. BET doesn't really target anyone over 25 so they don't really care what most of us commentors on this site thinks. 2. We could march all day around BET headquarters demanding quality programming, but if we then run home and watch FOL, New York, and Charm School then what are we really saying. Its not what we say that counts, its what we do that matters. FOL was one of the most watched tv show in blk households, not Lincoln Heights. We are telling tv executes what we want everytime everytime we turn the deal and we are not saying that we want quality; we are saying that we want silliness.
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soulmusic101
Comment: MusB...LOL...I love your role on this board, it always makes me think.
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khufu
Comment: KATGURL are you representing your people that way? Most folks who do represent Black folks in negative, derogatory, self-destructive ways, dont think they are doing anything wrong. They believe that dysfunctionalism is okay and acceptable. WHy? Part of the reason is Media making it seem likes it's okay by glorifying it....
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khufu
Comment: 5more..thanks and SHE is fooked up!
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khufu
Comment: It;s not hard to positively program a media outlet at all. Thing is: THEY dont want positive programming? Who are "they?" Hmmmmm..that's the question...I was watching re-run of Oprah's show with her Exec Producers..all female and white...well, most of them....interesting.......
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khufu
Comment: http://www.cps.ca/English/statements/PP/pp03-01.pdf... .Impact of Media on Children and Youth
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khufu
Comment: http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/issues/stereotyp ing/ethnics_and_minorities/index.cfm....Media Portrayals of Ethnic and Visible Minorities: Introduction
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timmdogg
Comment: Can you all say "minstrel show" for white folks to laugh and clown us!
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mat212
Comment: My bad Oshun,
Try once more: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/200705 09-12.html If that doesn't work type in National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive. Hollatchaboy.
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Pammy
Comment: I won't be watching HGM but I have tried to give BET a chance in the last few weeks. Meet the Faith with Ian Smith is actually a decent show. At least the one I saw on Black Masculinity was. I also watched the Black Carpet with Toure and some lady that wasn't Toccara and that show was halfway decent too. I won't watch Baldwin Hills cuz I just don't care to and BET does have a Game Show called Take The Cake. I haven't seen that one yet. All in all I am saying that Hudlin is TRYING. He just hasn't hit one out the park.
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katgrrrl
Comment: KHUFU: I'd hope that some folks would see it and have something inside of them be so disturbed by it, that they'd want to change. Unfortunately, you'll have the folks who'll see themselves in these HGM's and not get the message at all and see it as BET actually glorifying that behavior. OH LORD! God forbid... You might even have more fools out there trying to emulate that behavior just to get some airtime. D*mn. I don't know what to make of this concept. I'd like to hope that there'll be some positivity in it. But, as I weight the pros and cons, I'm getting more cons than pros. <> Who should we really be mad at? BET, Hudlin et al or the folks who give them the material. The actual "hot ghetto messes?" like these two women I saw one day on Fordham Road in the Bronx. Both of 'em weighed about 300 pounds each. What were they wearing and why? Well, poom-poom shorts with the bottoms of their a$$es stickin' out, one had on a flimsy tube top, one had on a flimsy tank top and they both had the rooster hairdo's. So, who's more responsible? BET or the folks who leave the house like that? <> And NO. I am NOT representing my people that way. NEVER. Not me, not my child, not my child's child... NO!
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FiveMore
Comment: mat212>That was scary!What will they think of next?
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Name:
huey
Comment: Olivia; i just contact your immediate supervisor and requested that you get a raise and a promotion.....
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michaelollieclayton
Comment: I am a former speechwriter for the Mayor of New Orleans. I am kept on retainer by several lecturers currently. The following is a speech that was burned into black ears this weekend past. BET gets mentioned, for sure. I think it appropriate that inject it into this conversation. (Please forgive the length, and please, haters, no need to comment about "writing a novel," either read it or leave it.) I'm going to break it into two parts:
Greetings, all! Welcome, welcome, welcome. It is indeed a blessing from God above to be able to gather together for such an auspicious occasion. We are truly blessed to be able to do this for some of us won't be able to do this again at some point down the road....because we do not know the road in front of us. Still in all, it is good to see so many familiar faces. I am warmed by the energy in this room. Yes, warmed. Warmed by treasured memories I have for our alma mater, a warmth that I am sure you all share with me. Again, warmed! Warmed by the theme of this gathering, "Keeping The Legacy Alive." Now, don't any of you get this wrong, and please don't take offense. I ask only that you keep an open mind. Why? Well, as I said, 'I am warmed.' Yes, warmed! Warmed to the point of being hot! Very hot! And why so hot? Well, some of y'all ain't gonna like what I'm about to say, but given the dire straits our streets, the dire straits of our neighborhoods, and the dire straits of our communities, I--no, make that WE--have every reason to be hot. Hot with ourselves! You may be wondering where I'm going with this. Well, I'll tell you where I'm going! I'm pointing a finger! I'm pointing one at me, and I'm pointing one at you (point in a general direction, but do not look anybody directly in the eyes)...and you...and you...and you! I'm pointing a finger at all of us. Because, let's face it, we haven't really kept the legacy alive. We've let it die on the vine. All you have to do is look outside your front door at about four o'clock in the evening and you'll see all manner of human tumbleweed blowing down your block, blowing down my block. Aimless tumbleweed. Apathetic tumbleweed. Addicted tumbleweed. Latch-key tumbleweed. Alcoholic tumbleweed. Pre-marital sex tumbleweed. Infected tumbleweed. Under-educated tumbleweed. Unemployed tumbleweed. Impudent tumbleweed.
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MsVanese
Comment: Pammy, don't do into the light (stay away from the game show. *laughing* It is awful. They need different hosts, it is just plain azz embarrassing. They at least need folks who can speak CORRECTLY!!! Toccara needs to find something else to do with herself & Joe Clair IS NOT FUNNY!!!
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MsVanese
Comment: oops, should have said, don't GO into the light
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mat212
Comment: Well Fivemore, did you REALLY read it? Becaise it's LAW. And to address your other question....http://www.examiner.com/a-790871~Military_ reviews_placing_special_ops_on_U_S__soil.html
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michaelollieclayton
Comment: Let's face it, we haven't really kept the legacy alive because had we, BET would have never taken over our children's minds. BET wouldn't guide them. They'd be in longer dresses, looser jeans, pants wouldn't hang off of boys' rumps, the church would be fuller, the colleges would be fuller, the jails would be emptier, and South America would have long ago given up shipping that trash to our neighborhoods because they would have realized that there was no market for it...if we'd truly kept the legacy alive. Oh, yeah, I AM HOT. I'M STEAMING! Seems to me that the legacy is alive on our lips, and probably in our hearts, but when the rubber meets the road, the feet are far, far away...resting on a Lazy Susan, resting on a recliner, just plain resting. You know, I once heard a man say, 'If you wanna know anything about the parents, just look at the children.' So that's what I did. I looked at the children, our children as a collective, as a whole, and what I saw left me hot. Don't get me wrong though...this isn't a wholesale indictment. Because not every one of our children has fallen through the cracks. But, if the legacy were truly alive, falling through the cracks would be the exception, not the rule. So twisted is our children's take on life that falling through the cracks is now a hallowed badge of honor. Who ever thought that a black child would find content in being a malcontent? If the legacy were alive OUR boys WOULDN'T BE ashamed of carrying books, and OUR girls WOULD BE ashamed of carrying babies when they are merely babies themselves. Far more of our children fall through the cracks now than they did a generation ago--well, let's be honest about this--far more of our children fall through the cracks now than they did TWO generations ago! Somewhere along the way we got tired. We got selfish. We joined the "me" crowd, the "I" crowd. And, well, things just haven't been the same. I know it! You know it! We know it! And "they" know it too! "They" know it so well they've built monuments to OUR apathy called "jails." Indeed I say to you, had we truly kept the legacy alive many, many, many of our young men and young women wouldn't be housed in zoos across this nation. If the legacy were alive, we WOULD NOT have forsaken the old landmark, we WOULD NOT have spared the rod, we WOULD NOT have spoiled the children.
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michaelollieclayton
Comment: Make no mistake, the larger society is at fault in part. The national mood across the country contends that we soothe a child when they're in the wrong. Unfortunately, that thinking has given us a wagonload of disrespectful, selfish children who WILL call the law on their parents no matter how much in the wrong that child might be. Further, you could, in the year of our Lord 2007, find yourself on the receiving end of the legal rod by way of YOUR child. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that this IS NOT our legacy. (emotional, impassioned) Question is, how do we revitalize the legacy? How do we reel our children in given so much information, so much misinformation, so much disinformation, given so much hedonistic technological prowess, given so much off-kilter ideology that pervades this nation like an inoperable cancerous lesion? How do we bush-hog these thickets, this bramble, these thorns, this rancorous undergrowth? Back in the day, we'd say, 'whup 'em!' We'd say, 'put a child in a child's place.' Unfortunately, as I stated earlier, this is not how things are done nowadays. Today we are prompted to 'talk' to the child. And since we've been charged to 'talk' to the children, here's what you say: You tell them, beloved son, beloved daughter...just look at your friends in jail, just look at the girl who has to sideline her dreams because she's busy struggling to raise a baby, just smell your buddy who's been out all night long chasing the South American scourge, just look at your friends standing on the corner until wee hours of the night with nothing better to do, just look in your friends' eyes that have turned brown from drinking and smoking, just look at the texture of the skin on their face from running themselves ragged day after day after day. Yes, take a look at them and ask yourself, 'what's so grand about a negative, out-of-control lifestyle?' Tell them to ask themselves, 'what's so cute about having no future?' Tell them that for every Lebron James, there's bag full of Left-Behind Jerks. For every Beyonce, there's a barrel full of Be-Nothing-To-Says...nothing to say because you're unable to vote, nothing to say because the baby's crying so loud. Tell them to quit looking for love in all the wrong places. Tell them that boy trying to rush that girl into sexual activity can't do nothing but fill her head with a bunch of self-serving wishful thinking, then break her heart and ruin her reputation. Tell those boys that that girl giving you her body DOES NOT make you a man.
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michaelollieclayton
Comment: Tell them all that if they want to spend one-third of their life on a corner, one third of their life in jail, and nine-tenths of their life BROKE...then follow the crowd. Follow 'em straight off a cliff. Tell them that street credibility is a hollow hoax, and that in the end, all they'll be is a fool who followed a BIG FOOL...who followed an even BIGGER FOOL! Tell them that their allegiance to the so-called "game" is nothing more than a self-destructive trap. A big trap that they set for themselves, with no one else to blame but themselves once the trap snaps clap, shuts on their ankles, and their wrists, and on their lives. Yes, tell them! Tell all of them! ALL OF THEM!!! Tell them what they DON'T want to hear. Burn their ears! Put it on their minds and put it in their hearts. Keeping the legacy alive means speaking against the pervading westerlies that blow through our childrens' minds. And when you're doing this, please, by all means, no matter what the look on their faces, no matter how much they get bent out of shape, remind yourself that just because the medicine tastes bad doesn't mean that the cure feels all so good. Do this! Do it now! Do it today! Do it tonight! Do it now and straight on, lest the legacy remain in a coma. Do this for me. Do this for you. Do this for the children, and for the children's children. Do this for all those soldiers behind us who bore up through hell and brimstone, through hate and bullwhips. We owe it to our foreparents! We owe those soldiers!! As the great poet Maya Angelou said, "It's already paid for." IT'S ALREADY PAID FOR! IT'S ALREADY PAID FOR!!!!!! (emotional, impassioned) Did you hear me? IT'S ALREADY PAID FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Pammy
Comment: MsVanese, Don't even give it a chance? Will my brain start to sizzle as soon as I start watching? *giggling* I'll give it 5 minutes....if I can get that far....
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SpecialK
Comment: katgrrrl: I hear you. When we see our people looking a HGM, that's their personal decision to look like that. A lot of us see that in our every day lives but that does not represent me in any shape, form or fashion and I don't think airing that nonsense on tv is gonna help one bit.
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SpecialK
Comment: Pammy: Don't even give it five minutes. LOL!! Toccara will make you turn the channel immediately with her over-the-top acting and trying to dress like she's a size two. She needs to tone it down.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: and nooooooww the negroes have become producers and spectators of the minstrel show.......................
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Name:
khufu
Comment: good question: who is to blame?
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Name:
MsVanese
Comment: LOL @ SpecialK. Tell her again. Maybe if they replaced Toccara with somebody who can at least FAKE intelligence, *shaking head* Nahhh, just cancel the dang show, or make it BETTER!!
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: lol@Soul..well thanks homie..I do what I can..lol I don't get it tho'. I know more than half the people on here have passed around e-mails about the "ghetto prom w/security guards" the "ghetto wedding in the backyard w/a keg" etc. Yet, we hold BET to a higher standard than that which we hold ourselves. Is a network more responsible than an individual commitment to do better? Everything "ghetto" has always been funny and we have had no problem laughing. Now we are miraculously "aware" and w/o doubt opposed to BET providing us the same humor we laugh about on the daily? What if the show showcased Boomqueesha (EUR) you know the computer tech who never has the server up and running. EUR'ians find that funny I thought.
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Name:
Pammy
Comment: Thanks SpecialK and MsVanese. I guess that's it for me and BET. I never thought DL Hughley was talented so his show will get none of my time either. I would be nice if we could get a black version of "The View" with credible Journalists like Vicky Mabry, Deborah Roberts and actress Sheryl Lee Ralph. Throw in a witty black comedian like Sherri Shepard or even Aisha Tyler and we'd be in business! Not like that horrifying "Oh Drama" they tried to pass off on us.
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archcookies
Comment: > katgrrrl Girl the message would be lost on these ghetto types, anytime you put rainbow colored weave in your head, wear a ring on every finger and the thumbs, wear clothes with suggestive slogans on it and think that your big fat cheesy belly looks cute in a middrift blouse there is not much hope for you. These ghettophiles are sleep at the switch and really feel validated by these halloween costumes they wear every day.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: And arch you just proved my point.
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Name:
katgrrrl
Comment: ARCH: Thank you. That's exactly what saddens me about this. <> MUSB: Excellent point. And as much as I hate to admit it, I have received the prom & wedding e-mails and have forwarded them also. So, that WOULD make me part of the problem. It's an ugly image, but I thank you for holdin' that mirror up to my face. <> MICHAELOLLIECLAYTON: Thank you for typing all of that. That was just amazing. Wonderful speech! I wish more people would have an opportunity to read/hear that.
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Name:
MomaKnowz
Comment: HotGhettoMessTV = More Black On Black crime. Hudlin, like Damon Wayans is screaming to us that they no longer are sensitive to the ills of Blacks. In fact, they choose to compound these ills by trying to profit off of our decided malfunctioning few. Wayans with his bid to patent the term N***A to place on baseball hats, T-shirts etc. for sale in his "boo-teek" is just as insane as Hudlin's HGM debacle. I disagree that we have to accept it. We must at all costs nip it in the bud. Thank you to all the advertisers who are bailing out of this horrible project. Thank you to all of us who are writing to the advertisers expressing our unwillingness to buy their products if they support this type of programming.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: hmmmm ARCH what you just said is the same contemptuous attitude that the folks at BET have.....
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Name:
khufu
Comment: ARCH not attacking you byt just pointing out that that's what they BET execs, the so-called middle/upper class; etc) feel about the masses...they see them as nothing more than mass consumers and, well, inhuman......good for nothing but to be who and what you describe....and be consumers.........well you kind of implied that...
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Name:
Gurlfrand
Comment: >DOne - you are correct, because BET is only targeting a certain demographic of viewers - people who have empty time on their hands to sit around watching that stuff that they view, and that's not just BET, but all of the other bafoon networks like MTV, Eonline, etc. Most sensible minded adults value their time and wouldn't waste their time watching garbage t.v. shows.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: One issue is representation. The depictions of Black folks and Black lifestyles.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: another issue: Black audience and spectatorship...why do Black audiences continue to watch these programs? If the viewer ratings justify this bullsheet...then good ole supply and demand is at work and the problem is with the mentality/consciousness of the Black audience
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Name:
khufu
Comment: third issue: BET as Producer and distributor of images and programmes that negatively depict Black people
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Name:
arkansasgirl
Comment: I haven't read any posts yet and wasn't going to post until I read this comment: The show builds on the Web site's effort to take "a hard look at some dysfunctional elements of our community," Hudlin said. "The intent of the show is no different than what Bill Cosby is doing as he's going across the country and lecturing as he talks about the problems of the (black) community that we need to address." It's no different? I see a difference. Cosby isn't make fun of "black folks in outrageous and extreme situations deemed low class". Where's the message? Behind the laughter. You taking away the message if THERE EVER WERE a message you were trying to get out. All of yall can go play in traffic.
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Name:
archcookies
Comment: >MUS Although BET is suppose to be geared to blacks a lot of whites watch it. I don't send memo to white people anything marked ghetto or portrays blacks in a negative light. That's my way of keeping our dirty laundry in the family. We who have lived among blacks all our lives aren't surprise by anything black people do, just don't put it out there giving white people more ammunition to hurl at us.
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Name:
archcookies
Comment: >khufu Please don't think that I think I am better than anyone because I don't. If something is ridiculous it just is, I have a rule of thumb about how I communicate with people about race, if you are a black person you can say anything to me about our people and I think I would understand what you are talking about. I don't use the same candor with white people, if it's something negative I won't send them emails that portray us in a bad light. I grew up in the ghetto and was just blessed to do better in life. As ridiculous as some of can be some of it is amusing and some just plan pathetic.
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Name:
FiveMore
Comment: Some of the main people visiting the website are white people!They find the crap humorous,but at our expense.Reginald Hudlin take the crackpipe out of your mouth and grow a backbone,brother(?)!IMO Viacom is waiting for the destruction of this channel.(they are just too quiet)
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Name:
McNasty
Comment: . . . and this falls into the just plain pathetic category! You can argue for or against it or throw out other reality shows but bet being a 'black' tv station should know better after all is said and done than to put themselves out there like that. Where are the programs that help them compete with mainstream? That's what I thought the original mission was for this network and with all the posturing debra lee did and then bringing on one of the hudlin brothers after they wiped out any decent programming! We don't need more programs that appeal to the lowest common denominator and it's time for bet to take a good look around - get out in the neighborhood and see how they add to the denigration of black folk and how un encouraging they are to black youth. No point in continuing down that road, this program shows just how low some of us are, bet adds to that and those that will end up watching it will still find a way to justify it as entertainment.
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Name:
SweetieDarlin
Comment: Come on Reggie, people watching this show will be pleasantly surprised? Surprised at what? The fact that the funky smell of this show didn't linger in one's home as long as one thought? I like reality shows but even I have standards. The HotGhettoMess website is bad enough and I feel it is there not to make us do better but to laugh at some of us who don't know better, so what else could the show do? BET should simply say they will exploit anything for money and call it a day instead of pretending. Also BET was a funky mess long before Viacom, we can not blame this on the white man, we can blame it on the money, man...
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Name:
cornbread
Comment: FUKK YOU REGINALD. HOW IS THIS SHOWING HELPING BLACK PEOPLE YOU IGNORANT AZZ WIPE? IT'S MAKING A SPECTICAL OF US AND PEOPLE WILL THINK THAT ALL OF US ACT LIKE THIS. YOU MUTHA FUKKAZ AT BET SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES. YOUR NETWORK IS A PIECE OF %*$! AND THIS IS WHY OUR COMMUNITY IS GOING TO POTS. BOTTOM LINE, THIS SHIITY AZZ SHOW IS GOING TO MAKE MONEY FOR YOU AND THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE IT ON YOUR NETWORK. PERIOD. JUST ADMIT IT. STOP THE BULLSHIIT AND LIES.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Arch..that's an interesting thought. So it seems as if you are saying that it was ok for Cosby to air our dirty laundry publicly because we needed the wakeup call. He was actually championed for doing it. I think we don't like it when the intent is seemingly for selfish, monetary gain.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: ARCHCOOKIES...agreed...agreed.....I expect so much from Black folks but have grown in my acceptance of the truth that: SOME FOLKS LOVE BEING IN THE MUD..they love being ghetto...i am still growing in this regard
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Reggie will laugh and say: "Im gettin' paid!"
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Name:
mat212
Comment: Oh Khufu,
Always about the money!! You act like the bottom line and ultimate goal in life is to stack "paper". It's not like we're for sale....oh. Hey!! Look over there!!
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Name:
TesticAl
Comment: *Nappy Roots* ALL MY LIFE I BEEN PO', BUT IT REALLY DON'T MATTER NO MO, AND THEY WONDER WHY WE AK DIS WAY, NAPPY BOYS GON' BE OKAY! OKAY!*Nappy Roots*
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Name:
oldschoolbrother
Comment: One of the main reasons why I cancelled cable in my home. BET should be ashamed for even suggesting a show such as this. It is a d*mn shame that with the history BET has to choose from, a show such as this gets priority.
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Name:
oshun
Comment: thanks for taking the time to post that speech, michaelollieclayton. it was worth the time it took to read. curious: did u write it, and may i ask for whom?
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Let's go this route. In an effort to show the world that black people find such depictions abhorrent, let us agree to NEVER visit hotghetto or any sites like it. NEVER pass along the e-mails. NEVER discuss the type of behavior exhibited UNLESS (as w/Cosby) your intent is to uplift and NOT ridicule. NEVER pass along yellow rumors about other blacks. Hmmm, let's see, NEVER watch Charmed School, NEVER watch Flava Love, NEVER mimic "ghetto" behavior. All of the above are detrimental to our survival. The power is within us to show society at large that we blacks do not approve. I'll continue to post this so that we are constantly reminded of what our small efforts can do. Thanks
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Name:
TesticAl
Comment: Herbs, I hear you loud and clear. You know that is not going to happen. You know the same nigguhs on here that are bashing this show, are the first to watch the BET awards (WHICH THEY ALWAYS CLAIM THEY HATE), watch whatever coon nigg-er reality show eg. Being Bobby Brown, Flava, Charm, New York, etc. They just pick and choose what they want to bash. You know how shyt goes down here in EUR land my nig.
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Name:
oshun
Comment: well put, musbdherbs. i'd take it a step further and ask that we start supporting music outlets that reflect a broader spectrum of black music. i.e. what i'm listening to now: online indie radio station www.swanksociety.com. i am hooked!
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: MUSB>i know that's right mus, TESTICAL>*batting eyes and girliegrin* Hi Testical....gee, you so tallll...*more batting eyes and girliegiggle* lol!
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Name:
TesticAl
Comment: bigchassie, what up! Don't be batting your eyes at me like that. This young man wants to conquer an older woman. Ya DIG. LMAO!
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: TESTIC>well baby come on and conquer Mt Chassie! the victory is yours! LOL!
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Name:
TesticAl
Comment: Do you have a myspace? I could hit you up on there.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: It comes down to this...not everything that is passed around on the internet is fit, appropriate or lends itself to radio and/or TV.
There's plenty on the internet that I as an adult pass to another adult that would be inappropriate if not foul for a TV show.
Yes, I hold TV and radio to a higher standard because they are often the image standard for African-Americans. They are held to a higher standard because they hold a higher level of responsibility.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: The internet is unedited, without a conscience or consternation. That is why we have advertisers who are cognizant of who their products are perceived in conjunction with specific programs and are careful where they are placed. That is why we have an FCC for TV and radio and not the internet.
Hotghettomess.com...fine with me.
The TV Show, no f%ckin' way.
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Name:
MorrisOKelly
Comment: The goes true for any White supremacist website. What you do on the web is your business, but you ain't bringin' that shat to TV.
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Name:
DoctorSmooth
Comment: Excellent comments. Just wanted to add my 2 cents to it.
I'm reminded of the phrase "don't pee on my leg and tell me its raining!" Thats exactly whats happening here. These BET reps must think we're idiots. The show is not to expose elements of the black underclass so we can "discuss", "examine" or "reflect on" it in any positive way. Its all about entertainment. The E in BET of course, stands for Entertainment - did they think we forgot that? This show is simply scraping the bottom of the barrel of black culture so we can chuckle and be amused by it. This is disgraceful.
The only thing worse than them them putting this minstrel show on tv is them trying to insult our intelligence by making it seem like they're doing it "to be positive" and to somehow uplift the race. Nowadays we dont need white folks to make denigrate black people any more; we have BET and an army of these ignorant, semi-literate, ,hip-hop "artists" doing such a good job of it.
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Name:
musicdepo1
Comment: Boy I am sooo sick of my sensitve a** People. For starters 98% of you posted a comment admitted that you don't watch BET anymore anyway. Earth to bloggers. "Its AIN'T for you!" Let it go. Go change the channel that you already are not watching. There are several of you bloggers that watch the ramblings and opinions of the View, Oprah, Dr. Phil etc. each day. Can you relate to ALL of whats on those programs. NO. Is it that you are afraid you might be exposed. Will someone pull off your mask in your corporate office and reveal that your cousin NeNe was just on the show. Go to website, watch the show BEFORE you formulate an oppinion. If you don't like it then, don't watch. That's why BET is suscriber based. You don't have to watch the programming. It is what it is. Call a spade a spade! If its a Hot Ghetto Or Geto Mess then D@mi#t that's what it is. I'm sure we can all look back in our past or our family's and see some embarrassin of questionable things that was done. Hot Ghetto mess has been on for years and you've watched it. But the name was America's Funniest Home Videos!
Holla!
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