EURweb.com - Black Entertainment | Black News | Urban News | Hip Hop News | Black Entertainment
Mon, Nov 23, 2009

Newsletter Sign-up:

News on Michael Jackson, 50 Cent, Beyonce & More

EURweb
Back to the Article » Click Here
Click here to post your comments.
Name: Kulchaman
Comment: David Banner could of handled the respond to Sharton in a better fashion, lashing out will cause some hurt to your album production. I bet once time before relsease, he will do an apology. I mean what Sharton is saying to cleanup lyric is not doing any wrong to the community but to come off so hard on someone whose been putting forth an effort to fight for those who are less marginal. I wonder what his parents would say...
Name: BlkATLTop
Comment: The response from NAN wasn't much better. She didn't quite stoop to his level, but almost. Anyway these knuckleheads are getting nervous anytime someone starts messing with that chedda.
Name: leeneepoo
Comment: I agree with you Kulchaman about the apology stint, but he was speaking his mind and according to him - speaking his truth..why should he apologize for what he believe?in. He could have come off better "yes" IMO he said what he said and meant it. Maybe he was tired of hearing Al and the gang talk about how he makes his living? making it seem as though something is wrong with his self-sufficiency. I wonder if he actually said those words at all. Sure some folk deem what Al and his partners are doing is noble and overdue but it was just a matter of time before a different kind of rapper came forth and spoke his peace. If I am not mistaken was it not Banner who gave back to his community by taking children in his hometown to Six Flags a couple of months ago and he is founder of a community organization for children in his hometown. If this goes any further I would like to see how this turns out.
Name: TGen
Comment: Oh my, what a mess. If true, Banner was totally out of line. (I say "if true" because this seems to be totally out of character from the "positive" persona he's tried to put on in the past.) At any rate, that harsh language, including using the word "hate" for someone who has apparently done nothing to you personally, is just unacceptable and makes Banner sound like a fool who NEEDS his ish banned. BlkATLTop, you're probrbly on-point. Maybe this dued is being so harsh because he thinks Al and Jesse are "messing with that chedda" lol. On the NAN response, I think the first two lines are clever. The last part, from "And, despite Crump’s personal request," on should have been left off. It took the response from "edgy but appropriate" to just as silly as Banner's tirade. Basically, this is just a hot mess. SMH
Name: Trianna007
Comment: I agree with David Banner. Jesse and all are all over any topic that will get them airtime on Fox, Cnn and Msnbc. In the grand scheme of things I don't believe that the lyrics in some of today's rap music is all that important. There are more important issues that Jesse and Al could use their "names" for. As far as I'm concerned they've not commented on anything remotely relevant in years.
Name: BigBlackRod
Comment: David Banner said what he meant, and directed straight at who he meant it for. That's grown. All that finesse-based tongue-rasslin' demeans NAN, in my opinion. Al and Jesse have become caricatures of themselves, and need to re%*$ess their priorities...PEACE.
Name: HHCassius
Comment: I agree, the person from NAN, while humorous and biting with her response, went a little bit far.
Name: McNasty
Comment: Agree with him or not his response casts a negative shadow on the rap community and is an example of why so many are targeting it. Had he taken the high road - left his lyrics in his music - and come like a reasonably intelligent man he could have done a world of good. Besides that Banner is 30 something isn't he? You mean to tell me at his age that response was the best he could do? Damn y'all - the proof is all in your face!
Name: TampaC
Comment: I'm not feelin' Banner at all. His language really shows that he has no desire to elevate himself or his people; and the level of disrepect to his own elders. I'm curious to know if he really thinks this way, or is playing advocate for sales. If that's the only way he can make "Chedda", then I'm sad for him.
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: the most positive NAN response should have been to ignore the Banner rant
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: hmm a celebrity who actually says what they honestly feel...that's refreshing. David Banner actually has done a lot in terms of activism so he has a right to make his statement. All I know is I'd like to hit that.
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: I'm not harping on "the way" he said what he said. I have seen David Banner speak before, he knows how to deliver a message intellectually. But I think that this type of thing is close to his heart b/c being from Mississippi he was touched by Hurricane Katrina, gave thousands of his own dollars, his own clothes etc only to see Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson etc. abandon the issue as soon as something else came up. And that's a major issue I have with Jesse and Al. They never follow through. I thought they were spose to be helping OJ find Sean Bell's killer lol. And when Sharpton was asked what he felt about Imus possibly coming back on the air, he said that he felt it was a dispute between an employer and an employee...well months ago this issue was a top priority for him. They never see anything through until the end. Maybe David was trying to express that but it got lost in anger. That happens to all of us sometimes it's just that no one is typically standing there with the transcript.
Name: Teigh
Comment: "You mean to tell me at his age that response was the best he could do? Damn y'all - the proof is all in your face!" -- MCNASTY> I think you just said it all!
Name: dport
Comment: I'm just asking....I'm just saying...me too. But in David's statement did he really say 'because we not saying nothing'? That speaks for eveything Sharpton is saying. Not saying anything of relevance and yet all the profanity. No point being driven while using profanity to enhance our anger which is the basis of most rap tirades/lyrics.
Name: YLawdY
Comment: All the intellectual analysis is fine and good, but the bottom line is David Banner came across sounding like an ignorant, ghetto azz. THAT is what needs to be eradicated. Stop glorifying the right to be stupid! You have the RIGHT to be stupid, but you don't have to exercise it.
Name: Southernbelle
Comment: It is a sad day when a black man feels to need to verbally bash another in public. There's a way to challenge constructive criticism without being straight up vulgar. No one said any of them had to agree with Al or Jesse but it would be much more effective if they would counter intelligently. Set aside the personalities they portray when performing. The music industry is a business. There's a time to put on your performance face and a time to be professional and when making public interviews is that time. This is why no one takes their plight seriously. They're looked at like a bunch of ignorant Negroes who are only as good as their last album.
Name: butterpecanrican
Comment: David does have trashy lyrics and I don't respect that aspect, HOWEVER, David does good things and gives back to his community and for that I commend him. I think that Al would be better served targeting rappers getting arrested every other day and who could give a flip about the community they live in.
Name: khufu
Comment: David BAnner's mentality...this is why i tore up my Black Card
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: we have missed you, khufu, please accept a new Black Card
Name: oldschoolbrother
Comment: IJA>>>very good point.
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Dport< When he said ‘we’re not saying nothin’ I took that to mean that he feels rap lyrics in general are not destructive as people like Sharpton portray them. Whether or not you or I agree, there is an argument to made either way. My point is that I give interviews to the media all the time. And you have to be careful what you say because if you are passionate about an issue you can catch yourself getting off track. Especially since his SOHH interview was probably given by someone he was comfortable with. He probably got off on a tangent and couldn’t stop himself because he felt passionate about this subject. Am I the only one that saw him during Hurricane Katrina? If I’m not mistaken, this man gave away every single item he had in his closet to Katrina victims and asked for NO PUBLICITY. Can Sharpton say that? Most of us use profanity from time to time, but like I said, no one is recording it. This is one of those times where, once again, we are focused on ‘how’ someone said something rather than whether or not there is strength in their argument and the intentions of the person. We always get sidetracked by bullsh!t. YES!! I wish he would have expressed himself using the intelligence he has shown in the past, but also, again, this interview was given to SOHH, that needs to be contextualized. I visit that web site, I understood his intention. There are not many 50 year olds on that site. Those are casual, informal, interviews given by hip hop artists to the hip hop generation. I’m pretty sure the visitors to the site were able to read between the lines especially knowing how much Banner does for the children in his community. The man is HIGHLY regarded. So since y'all act like y'all don't understand what Banner was trying to say let me sum it up: Note to Sharpton: more action, less talking.
Name: Southernbelle
Comment: IJA> I feel you that David has a lot to be pizzed off about. His work in the community speakes for itself. I don't know much about his music so he may or may not be one of the artists targeted by this ban. But, what I do hear and see in regards to him is his humanitarian efforts. It in itself is a great counter arguement. Show the world the positive side of rap music and don't encourage the negative stereotypes. Just my 2 cents.
Name: YLawdY
Comment: There are drug dealers that build new playgrounds. Doesn't make them any less of a negative impact on the community at large.
Name: khufu
Comment: HARRIS nah....thanks though.....my Black card is gone to the Lost Causes File with my NAACP memmbership card and I am still contemplating my Masonic "Traveling Card"....hit me back channel sometimes tobe_new@yahoo.com
Name: infofan1960
Comment: I'm not a Jesse or Al fan. However, I do know the Lord says we're supposed to keep from using profane words. We are supposed to live holy through Jesus Christ. We will be judged by our words and actions when we stand before the Lord.I wonder if Banner would tell God the same thing he said about Al?
Name: TGen
Comment: "The way" you do anything matters. Image is everything, hate to break the news, lol Also, doing community service has absolutely nothing to do with the vulgar way he [supposedly] criticized Al and co. And Al did not "target" David Banner, he (and many, many, many other Black folks including many on this board) targeted the trashy lyrics and content. So I wonder does he "hate" all who chastise trash rap, does he want all of us to suck his_______? Hmmm...
Name: khufu
Comment: HARRIS Danner's mentality with those other 85 percent like IJA are toxic.......the majority of Blakc folks are lost.....read this carefully....."Name: ImJustAsking Comment: hmm a celebrity who actually says what they honestly feel...that's refreshing. David Banner actually has done a lot in terms of activism so he has a right to make his statement. All I know is I'd like to hit that."
Name: khufu
Comment: another comment indicative of a lost mentality and soemthing killing Black folks..this too represents 85 percent of the lost Black folks..."Name: infofan1960 Comment: I'm not a Jesse or Al fan. However, I do know the Lord says we're supposed to keep from using profane words. We are supposed to live holy through Jesus Christ. We will be judged by our words and actions when we stand before the Lord.I wonder if Banner would tell God the same thing he said about Al?"
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Let me help break it down...Banner said: "F*ck that about they're our elders and we gotta respect them. I'm tired of this. They're like the parents, but the parents are crucifying the kids." >>>> Typically when a person of negro decent says "f*ck that" or "I'm tired of this," it is a clear signal of their immense frustration with a matter or subject. lol Banner acknowledges that Jackson and Sharpton have accomplished things in the past and deserve respect due to their age, however, he is frustrated by the lack of results and the focus on things he considers inconsequential. *clears throat* Banner said: "Him and Jesse Jackson are out here charging people to do rallies with them. They're more worried about their investors than our kids. Tell him David Banner said it."" Banner feels that you have to pay in order to show your support for Sharpton and Jackson and that this creates inequity. He thinks that Jackson and Sharpton are motivated by monetary gain and this concerns him greatly and he wants them to know how he feels. LMAO! Also, deport, I reread the statement about how they are not saying anything, and the point he was making is that rappers are not fighting back and that's why they are being criticized.
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: khufu, you know that we are not monolithic in thought or actions . . . I take heart from this observation: YLawdY Comment: There are drug dealers that build new playgrounds. Doesn't make them any less of a negative impact on the community at large.
Name: gingerg
Comment: David Banner is stupid and the person who wrote Sharpton's response should be fired. This is a nasty, petty argument and just wait until the gay community weighs in on it.
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: Sharpton and Jackson are our elders and should be shown respect that is due to elders even when we disagree with them . . . Banner may have had a moment of melt down but his words still needed to be more measured and respectful of the elders that he criticized . . . we are charged to make a difference and while we are engaged in the process, we need to be correct because we function as role models . . . Banner has a following who will emulate whatever he does including dissing elders
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: When I first heard Banner's comments on the radio this morning, I thought he's just saying what a lot of people are thinking. I ain't mad at Al for goin' after rap lyrics, but there are bigger problems in our communities. And yes, Banner could've made an effort to sound more mature. Then again, that could've been raw emotion. I really don't know what's going on in his head and I couldn't name one of his songs if ya paid me. I know nothing about this brother, so I don't know if he could or couldn't have said it better. There have been times when I'm pizzed and all intellect goes out the window and I'll use all kinds of colorful language. So, I'm just gonna chuck this up as a pizzed off brother acting on emotions without the benefit of intellect (yes, that's from "Passenger 57," but it applies!)
Name: butterpecanrican
Comment: They say reading is fundamental so I guess it would have helped if I read the article first. David Banner, was all that really necessary? You could have made your point without all the expletives. Completely unnecessary.
Name: shell72
Comment: YLawdY, you are so right. Why do these rappers think they by doing community service they should get some kind of reward. There are lot people who do good in the community and don't broadcast or brag about it. My brother in law coaches a little league football team for inner city young black males and he takes them to Six Flag, White Water, and rollerskating the whole summer to keep him off the street. He does this without making millions off of juvenile raps songs about black women. He has a regular a job and a family. Heck, even Hitler feed all the hungry white people in Germany, all while killing Jews.
Name: drkbrb
Comment: I for one want to know who made Al and Jesse the spokespersons for Black America? This from a man who was cheating on his wife and fathered a child and wants to talk about morality or Al who only shows up when the camera are there? If you want to make an impact Mr. Sharpton or Rev. Jackson, stand up for those kids who are being charged with attempted murder for a school fight, or what about the innocent kids brutally murdered in NJ. We as parents have to raise our kids and STOP depending on these artist to do it for us. I have a son and he doesnt listen to that crap in my house, yeah I play it as a form of entertainment but it is my responsibility to train up my child. I am sure that there are more pressing issue other than responding to Mr. Banner than this.... and further more the only reason Al had something to say is b/c the media circus was a large with the Imus comment. Those words were spoken long before Imus became an idiot-did the media coverage draw your attention or have you been deaf until 2007.
Name: OSUN
Comment: Kirsten John Foy although funny and witty in her response, should have been a professional and not stoop to David Banner's level with her response. That was a childish response. I expect more from a civil rights organization. If you take away all the expletives David Banner uses he has a point, but it can be lost in his tirade.
Name: khufu
Comment: HARRIS of course not and neither are Chinese people or European jews but they do have a level of unity that serves the best interest of the entire group.....they can at least rally around a social or political cause and ack like they have some collective sense and collective concern.....you would be hard pressed to find Jews saying things about other Jews in Public (Internet included) that Black folks say about other Black folks here on this site as well as other...for example
Name: infofan1960
Comment: <-----NOT lost, saved, thank God, by Jesus. Not passing judgement on anyone. Everyone have a peaceful and blessing filled day!
Name: khufu
Comment: IJA would be considered a hoe right? right? Well now......at some point everyday of her constantly equating most things to wanting to screw a brother is sad...where is the honest criticism? Instead, other sisters encourage that madness. Okay, once in awhile for fun, such conversations might be fun but everyday? SHow me a Jewish website, a Chinese website with an IJA on it?
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: You know, the subject of ‘respect’ always interests me. Like, you all are saying they deserve respect b/c they are old…but what if you feel that Sharpton and Jackson are destructive? Why speak respectfully about someone you feel is harming your community? It’s just like on the political talk shows where people are always saying, don’t talk this way about the President b/c he deserves respect due to his position, meanwhile he is killing people. Same thing when Senators refer to their ‘friends’ across the aisle meanwhile they hate the person! It’s so disingenuous!! I don’t understand why you have to super polite in what you say when you are speaking to or about someone you truly believe in your heart is damaging something you care deeply about i.e. your community or your country. In this day in age, with our community being in the state it’s in, the time for political correctness is over. I don’t mind Banner or anyone else being impolite when lives are at stake. Maybe if the Democrats would have been like “f*ck that, I’m tired of this” to the Republicans we wouldn’t be in Iraq right now. And I don’t care about YlawdY’s comment about drug dealers and playgrounds. Banner is not selling drugs at this point in time and if you are equating the effect drug dealing has on a community to the effect rap music has on the community than I would like to hear that argument expounded upon otherwise it’s a false comparison. The bottom line is y’all knew what the N!gga was trying to say, play dumb if you want to. Lmao! He made good point and y’all just can’t stand it. And really, there is no need for him to try to make the point intellectually, as you can see form this board, the most intellectual posts are often the most ignored. People don’t respond/read them. But as soon as somebody posts something off the wall EVERYBODY comments.
Name: khufu
Comment: HARRIS...as to INFOFAN'S comment...she uses Christianity to condemn two brothers who are Christian ministers...two brothers who are actively living the social aspect of Christ's gospel.....here's what she/he says: "Name: infofan1960 Comment: I'm not a Jesse or Al fan. However, I do know the Lord says we're supposed to keep from using profane words. We are supposed to live holy through Jesus Christ. We will be judged by our words and actions when we stand before the Lord.I wonder if Banner would tell God the same thing he said about Al?"
Name: khufu
Comment: See IJA is ignorant as hell....and is she ever really challenged on her ignorance? Naw...HARRIS I know we are not monolithic but damn ignorance and stupidity that hurts Black people should be challenged, negated and crushed......the majority of Black folks has come to be accepting and perpetrators of ignorance, stupidity, etc.......
Name: drkbrb
Comment: 1 more point. David is a college educated man who can very well speak in a tone that is pleasing to all America, but sense Al is so distain with the content of rap lyrics (must listen to them to know what is said) he felt he needed to come at him in a way that would get his point across. I would have left out the suck ...... but definently kept the F Al! Tell me 1 thing this man (our self appointed spokesman) has done without a camera being there. Katrina victims are still hurting, Al have you address Congress to find out where all that money that was set aside from the victims went? OR what about the FEMA trailers which I pass every day in Alabama unoccupied?? I mean really we can go back and forth about the delivery method but the big issue is the message. Is rap content the top priority of your list? Sure is not mine. I hope that everyone here has heard about the 6 black kids in jail for attempted murder b/c the media is not covering this case.
Name: khufu
Comment: HARRIS what Farrakahn said on BEt is true..watch...Black folks are about to be seriously chastised...Katrina was a warning.....
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Way to go D Banner! That's representing the 'Sip fo yo AZZ! Most of these interviews on SOHH are so informal and off the cuff that I'm not surprised he said that. As an artist whose genre is being attacked at every turn I think he and everyone else has a right to fight back and not be so PC about it. Nobody is PC when calling Nelly, Akon, 50 and 'em all sorts of coons, clowns, minstrels and all that other shyt. IJA is absolutely right on his efforts including Katrina. This picture being painted that these because these lyrics are "questionable" that somehow they aren't involved and unconcerned about what goes on in their communities should be corrected. Go David Banner!
Name: khufu
Comment: Ignorance...."Name: drkbrb Comment: 1 more point. David is a college educated man who can very well speak in a tone that is pleasing to all America, but sense Al is so distain with the content of rap lyrics (must listen to them to know what is said) he felt he needed to come at him in a way that would get his point across."
Name: infofan1960
Comment: wow, I'm sorry that you misunderstood my saying that I'm not a Jesse or Al fan, as the same as me condemning them. I don't condemn anyone. In fact, I respect Jesse and Al. I just don't FOLLOW them as some people do. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with those who do follow them. I'll try to be more clear next time. I still wonder though, would Banner say to the Lord when we're giving an account for our lives during the judgement, the same thing he said about Al. As far as what I said about profanity, I was speaking of Banner. I don't condemnn him either. I do pray though, that God will soften his heart to see that he could be using his talent to glorify the Lord. That's all I'm saying.
Name: TGen
Comment: ImJustAsking, surely you jest, lol. Surely you realize there is A LOT of space between "super polite" and vulgar as Banner was. Surely you understand you can criticize someone as dark and dirty as George W. Bush in a way that does not demean you too. I'm just going to hope you're joking...
Name: katee
Comment: Levell Crump!!! lol!!!! Levell Crump! Go head, Rev.! You got Crumpy good! David Banner, my a**! Who????
Name: drkbrb
Comment: Khufu: I have set back and read your comments and I must say for you to say the young lady is ignorant as hell speaks alot about you. Maybe you were just as passionate as David. SMH at people throwing rocks and living in a glass house. Boy you are all over Al and crew but you threw away your black card? So your point of being on this site would be.......... oh to show us "black card holders" how intelligent you are and look down on those that have not followed your lead. I cant turn in my black card (too dark for that) black is beautiful and I love each and every one of my black people. I may not agree or even like some or most of them or what they do but never will I turn away for I know where I came from and where I am going. Peace and Love my once brother.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: I'm from the school of thought that just because you old don't mean you can say whatever you want..whenever you want. Old age is not a blanket check. I don't allow my grandmother to say shyt that ain't right and so I gives a damn about "respecting" the Sharpton's and 'em. Why respect someone if they don't respect you. If ya'll are expecting these young, successful black men to concede to being called a coon and expect them to "naturally" respect some old head then YOU...MUST...HAVE..LOST...YO..MIND. You must've just lost you mind!
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: And what about the pure vile that comes out of the fingers of some posters on this board? Banner should be above it...and we shouldn't? YOU..MUST...HAVE..LOST YO MIND!
Name: drkbrb
Comment: The problem is you pick and choose what part of a conversation you want to disect. People were all up in arms with Tupac's "that why the call you b" but did anyone really listen to his message? Khufu-you took a small peace of my comment and ran with it. Do you have a problem reading and comprehending? I challenge you to be as vocal about something that really matters......stop jumping on the bandwagon of what is hot and stand for something that really counts.
Name: DOne
Comment: People always point to the fact that there are bigger/more important issues to worry about. Well, sometimes its easier to fix the small quality of life issues before moving on the the bigger issues. Furthermore, there is a war going on in our communities and there are battles to be fought on many different fronts; everyone doesn't have to focus on the same issues. Your thing may be mentoring young kids, another person's thing may be trying to keep another liquor store from opening down the street; my thing might be teaching art to kids in my spare time, the woman down the street might be fighting to clean up the radio aireways. There are many battles to be fought. Its the kids having kids, its the liquor stores on every corner, its the drugs, its the lack of home training, its the degradation of women, its the explicit music, the education system. The lists goes on and on. So where do you start? You and I may decide to start in different places but need to understand that the ultimate goal is the same. I think the biggest problem of all in the black community is that we all want change but no one really want to change themselves. We all want someone else to change while we do what we want as we want. No wants to sacifice anything that they love for the betterment of the community. A lot of times charity is really just a way of dealing with guilt because deepdown we know we are all part of the problem. However, charity really means nothing if we are not addressing the political, social, and economic conditions that creates the need for the charity in the first place.
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Tgen< I don’t have a problem with profanity. I was raised in a house with a momma who cussed like there was no tomorrow and she is one of the most astute women you have ever met. And under no circumstances did her use of ‘vulgarity’ as you call it, prevent me from understanding what she was saying or hinder the delivery of her message. If she said “yo’ little narrow azz needs to put yo’ damn clothes on” I knew what she really meant was “IJA, my darling, we are running a tad bit late, please expedite your efforts to get dressed.” What one finds distasteful another finds ordinary. *yawns* I can understand both methods of delivery. Drkbrb< You must be fairly new. Khufu has a complex over me and cannot leave me alone. I ignore it the same way I ignore any other undesirable man’s advances. Musb< my darling. *muah* The people on this board do not see the way they express their comments as ignorant..I don’t know how…but they don’t. I guess b/c they don’t use profanity?? *scrunches face*
Name: infofan1960
Comment: DOne, I see your point. I did a lot of changing myself (after asking God to help me of course). I used to curse like you wouldn't believe. But one day I heard another young lady using those same words and it showed me how awful I sounded using that kind of language. My spirit was convicted. I asked God to help me stop. I didn't stop overnight, but over time I saw how damaging using profanity and other bad habits I had were to me and others. It's not always wise to speak your mind, especially if you can't do it without being disrespectful or profane. I'm not better or holier than anyone else, I just see that I need to be better on a daily basis, and that's how I can help my community and loved ones. I hope Banner will start to use his words in a Godly way. He doesn't have to become a preacher, but I'm sure he could reach a lot of people whose souls are lost should he decide to glorify God with his talent. Thanks for that bit of widsom DOne.
Name: TGen
Comment: Musdherbs, honestly your position surprises me. Maybe I just have not been paying attention enough since I've been on this board. I know you're pro-rap and all, but to defend the way Banner came at Sharpton who (to my knowledge) has never called him a "coon" or the like) is a little unbelievable. If he wanted to come at anybody sideways like that, it seems Jason Whitlock or Stanley Crouch would be much more appropriate targets...though there is really no way his response can be considered "approrpriate." Oh well...
Name: TGen
Comment: Sorry, IJA, no dice. Hell, I use a little "profane" word here or there, but telling someone who again, has not even PERSONALLY addressed you, to "suck your d*ck" goes beyond using a few choice words. It's inexcusable, period.
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: TGen< If I had seen the destruction of everything around me and was doing my best to help repair the situation while others were just out there TALKING about it and getting media attention and photo-ops I would say a lot worse than suck my d*ck. We can agree to disagree b/c IMO you are caught up on the wrong thing. Here's an excpert from an interview Banner gave after Katrina...BV: Have you been overwhelmed by the numbers of people, especially your peers, who've wanted to step-up and help? DB: That's why I say it's a blessing in disguise. It's brought so many people together that have never worked together before. I was just really touched by the fact that people trust me the way that they do and threw this responsibility in my lap with the Heal the Hood situation. I had so many rappers say, 'We don't trust our leaders. In times past, they have let us down. They have not done the things that they suppose to do. We gon' send you the clothes.' T.I. said, 'When we raise this money, we gon' send it to you Banner.' When I came up with the idea for the concert, it was initially a one-time thing and I was going to disburse the money, but people was like 'Naw, you got to take this responsibility because we trust you,' and it's a big responsibility. I thank God for believing in me enough to make it happen, but what I want to tell people is I need help. I need ideas. I need people to constantly stay in contact. I'm pretty sure EurWeb didn't pick up that particular Banner interview...
Name: TGen
Comment: IJA, just an example of what would have been highly appropriate, still put Sharpton "in his place" and had Banner looking like a class act: "I wholeheartedly disagree with Al Sharpton. In fact, I'm no fan of his or Jesse Jackson's or anyone who unfairly targets rap music, blaming it for the ills in the Black community. I have no respect for him and think he should find better and more sincere causes to fight in the name of Black folks." Now mind you, I totally disagree with what I just wrote, lol, but do you see how much more classy and "appropriate" that would have been coming from Banner, someone who somebody said has a Master's degree for goodness sake? Do you see the light now? lol
Name: dwpersonal
Comment: Levelle Crump's current behavior is the very reason that the "N" word and others needs banning. The people using such language are displaying their lack of intelligence as male representatives of the Black Race & our Community. Despite what Crump think Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are doing to promote their agendas, I have not heard either of those leaders using profanity toward others in our race, nor toward anyone for that matter. There is just a certain amount of "self-respect" that we all need to display first; then, we can attempt (no matter how difficult it may seem) to display respect toward others. I am against the use of profanity in music that our youngsters are listening to because those composing, and performing it are viewed as leaders to our youth; and, our youth are being destroyed by such disgusting behavior from those who they are thinking they are looking up to and aspiring to be like. Banner need to become a "banner" of profanity (by washing his lyrics), then serve as a pioneer of change and improvement for anyone willing to listen to his cleansed versions of musical lyrics. This comes from a "Sista" who's not trying to hear crap further talked about our leaders. If we won't respect ourselves, and our own race, who else is going to. The dollar is not everything. Let's gain some balance in our lives, please. Dear DJ
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: TGEN..no I'm not pro-rap. I'm just not anti-hip-hop. Banner's response (at least I believe) was a clear "kiss my azz" directed at all those who are disrespectfully vocal about their positions on hip-hop. Sharpton has never referred to Banner (himself) in such a way but he has pointed to the poisonous, destructive effects of hip-hop lyrics which Banner is a part of. There are elements in hip-hop which are that way but there is no line of demarcation--hip-hop is just bad news across the board. So while it may seem that I am excusing what Banner said, I am not. I understand where he is coming from. Personally, I would've just said Al Sharpton can just kiss my azz. But, the equivalent of that for a lot of men is to "sk my dk." Yeah, yeah, yeah not the greatest choice of words but my goodness I have seen worse interaction and worse words used by the same people on this board who are so horrified by what he said. Are we serious?..lol
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: TGen< But this goes to the point that Musb and I both made...this interview was given to SOHH!! The majority of Banner's efforts have NOT been covered by EurWeb or anyone else...how in the hell was he spose to know the ONE TIME he said something in a way people would find inappropriate that the media would pick it up and spread it like this? You know why? b/c once again, THIS is the type of thing we get caught up on d*ck sucking and whatnot, the use of 'language'. If you peruse all the hip hop web sites (baller status, allhiphop, hiphopdx etc.) they have covered his efforts via intelligent interviews with David on this subject that NO ONE outside of my generation has read. Fact remains that profanity is what caused this particular interview to gain attention from others. To me, that says more about the rest of us than him. And maybeeeee this is why they curse in their lyrics...it sure gets people to listen. And it all goes to his point that people are hung up on WORDS instead of the situation on the ground.
Name: oshun
Comment: ouch! levell walked right into that one! lol
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Also, I'm not anti-Sharpton or Jackson in every case. They are good in some instances and HORRIFIC in others...but to me, that's what we should be talking about.
Name: oshun
Comment: >>Name: khufu Comment: another comment indicative of a lost mentality and soemthing killing Black folks..this too represents 85 percent of the lost Black folks..."Name: infofan1960 SO RIGHT, KHUFU, SO RIGHT! LOL
Name: YLawdY
Comment: Ignorant discourse is ignorant whether you're college educated or not. I personally wasn't validating or invalidating what David Banner was trying to say, merely commenting on his perpetuating the same NEGATIVE verbalizations we hear on the street, in stores, on public transportation every day. It's not necessary or cute. BTW IMO it is ignorant to cuss at a child. It breeds adults that find the same kind of language accpetable.....
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: TGen: Have you EVER said anything out of anger, passion or whatever and moments later, when you've calmed down said to yourself that you could've addressed that situation more appropriately? Educated or not, we're human. We're not perfect all the time. As a matter of fact, we're not perfect at all; only perfect one I know of is Jesus. We're not "classy and appropriate" all the time. We slip up. Who knows? In a couple of days, Banner/Crump may apologize for his verbiage. I agree with what Banner said. I would've said it differently, but if people can stop harping on the foul language and recognize the message, what he's saying isn't bad at all.
Name: TGen
Comment: IJA, I feel you, but you're incorrect to say Banner gets no play outside of being vulgar. This very website posted a story on his taking some Missisippi kids on summer vacation and I believe most know about his extensive community work and vigilant efforts post-Katrina. The fact that salacity is highlighted is something Banner should have thought about before going on his tirade. I see I can't get you to see what I'm saying so I'm going to fall back now...
Name: fuzzygoss
Comment: Here we go again. Black on black hate. David Banner is a poor example for the city kids he sponsored the amusement park trip for back in early summer. His rant is pure ignorance. Anytime you have to use vile language to %*$ert your opinion it loses the validity and weight of words. I have even less respect for David Banner and NOW ever more for Al Sharpton. >>>>Show me one other black person, male, politician, non-politician advocating for the State of Black America!!!!!!!!!!!>>>>All we are good for is sitting on our black as..ses and complaining and belittling each other. >>>Al Sharpton puts himself on the frontline and risks his life so that we can be respected, and get equality in AmeriKKKa, and all we can do is post on message boards about issues and celebrities. >>>>>Puhlease, black folks wake up. >>>The white man doesn't have to annihilate (sp?) or demean us, we do a darn good job at tearing one another down every single day. >>>Our voices would be of greater use ACTIVELY in the community mentoring to these wayward youth>>>ENOUGH WITH THE BEHIND THE SCREEN LIP SERVICE>>> go make a difference otherwise we are no better than flies on a pile of.....>>>>Hurrah, Hurrah for Al Sharpton. The ONLY BLACK MAN POKING OUT HIS CHEST IN 2007>>>>WHAT ARE THE REST OF US DOING>>>>>COMPLAINING, OSTRACIZING, RIDICULING....YEAH, RIGHT WE'VE COME A LONG WAY MY AS....S!
Name: SpecialK
Comment: khufu: I have a question for you. What do you do to uplift all these so-called "ignant black folks" you speak about? I've read you calling someone a ho, ignant, stupid (by your account) and countless other names. By the way, I thought you turned in your black card.
Name: TGen
Comment: Katgrrrl, yes I have said things before and later regretted (duh, I AM human, lol). But I gotta believe I would always think twice b4 going on the record were I a public figure, no matter the magnitude of my celebrity. But you're dreaming to wish people would "ignore" the foul language. Heck, he used the foul language on purpose, for effect I guess. Right or wrong, image is everything, it matters in this day and age of microscopic media. "The way" you say or do anything, not just in entertainment, but in real life matters. I'm sure you've learned that in your own life...
Name: YLawdY
Comment: katgrrrl ...that's the point. The message can get lost in the delivery!!!! A whole lot of people might be of the same mindset as Banner, but are turned off by the delivery. IJA...I don't think anyone's disputing what he is doing or has done in the community. Telling an elder, that hasn't addressed any negativity to YOU peronally, in a public forum to suck your d*ck is ignorant and shows no class. Like it or not, that kind madness will take center stage everytime.
Name: SpecialK
Comment: fuzzy: Well said!
Name: YLawdY
Comment: khufu...Can you be a ho if you just talk about, but don't do it? ????
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: YLawdY: Exactly! I don't agree with that "sk my..." bit as well as some other stuff Banner threw in. As I've said, I would have delivered the message differently. And you're right, it's the madness, not the message, that will take center stage...unfortunately.
Name: SilentJay
Comment: Davin Banner is like the angry Oil Excecutive tired having his product being blamed for global warming. He feels he has to defend Oil. David can't look at things objectively because he immersed in it. You'll be hard pressed to get David and other rappers in the game at the moment to see a different point of view(except Chameleonair). David's response proves my point(and McNasty's point as well). Some people whether its rappers, politicians, radio stations that carried Don Imus, or Oil Exces, only seem to understand MONEY. So I propose we simply stop buying his music.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: So I assume the issue is that Banner had the audacity to say what he felt? Ok got it. I just want each and every one of you blasting him to check yourself the next time you even "think" to utter the words, ghetto, ho, coon, minstrel, bytch, etc. Smart, intelligent, respectful black folk would never use such words as that right?
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: TGen: Yes, I try to be careful with what I say and do. Not to say that I'm perfect or even trying to be. I just try to be careful. I'm sure I'd try harder if I were a public figure. Now, if you don't mind, can you please, please, please, please, please PLEASE tell me exactly where I said that we should "ignore" the foul lauguage?
Name: DCGG
Comment: David Banner is a loser, he has an album coming out and figured he'd garner some media attention...his albume will flop just like the others...just face it Banner, ain't nobody feelin you...
Name: TGen
Comment: Okay, I'm confused, lol. Katgrrl, you just called me out, but agreed with YLawdY, but YLawdY agreed with me. Wow, lol, interesting...
Name: TGen
Comment: Katgrrl, I paraphrased, you didn't say "ignore" specifically, but you did say this: "but if people can stop harping on the foul language and recognize the message, what he's saying isn't bad at all." Uuum, not that much of a difference than "ignore the foul language," huh? You're reaching missy...big time...
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: SilentJay, in addition to what you said, you'll be hard pressed to get people outside of the rap game to see a different point of view. If people want to be heard...many times you have to listen. So that sword cuts both ways.
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Tgen< it’s not that I don’t understand what you’re saying. I do. It’s just that everybody does not have the same opinion about what is vulgar/profane and what is not therefore, why waste time on it? There was a time when damn and%*$!(@!( was taboo now you hear it all the time. Sh!t and c*ck have slowly crept their way into primetime cable TV, f*ck is probably next. In a few years, there will be no cuss words left and then maybe people can focus on the merit of someone’s argument instead of how they expressed themselves at any given time. I’m just so sick of black people acting like everything offends their sophisticated sensibilities and prevents a greater understanding of what a person is trying to convey. It’s total bullsh!t. And profanity does NOT reduce intellect. Almost every Professor I had in college was a cusser. It has a place esp. when emphasis and attenion are sought. YlawdY< We just disagree on this one. Ignorance depends on a variety of factors, profanity is not at the top of the list for me. And my momma cussin around me did not prevent me from giving two successful profanity free 20 minute interviews with the LA Times and USA Today this week…well it was profanity free untl I hung up the phone and said sh!t, damn, muthaf*cker…But messages get lost in the profanity b/c people like you allow it to. I got the message, not sure why you and others feel the need to pretend you didn’t.
Name: shell72
Comment: I always wonder why these rappers can not take criticism well. It's your product and you have to put out what your product does to society. It's very immature to always point out what good you're doing, without justifying all the bad you're doing. David Banner and the rest of the rappers should just be honest, they making CDs to get paid. They could care less about what's going in the black community. Rappers are quick to say we should raise own kids, but they want our kids to buy their CD's. Just like the situation with Mattel, yeah the parents bought the kids the toys, but they are being responsible for damage their products caused. It's called responsibility. Again, you can make all the stupid foul rap songs you want, but just be mature enough to say you know what you're doing is wrong, but this is the best you know how to get rich.
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: TGen: See, it's all about how stuff is said! You misquoted me and in the same sentence, tried to throw in a little jab ("But, you're dreaming to wish people would 'ignore'...") Ya see, just as you think Banner could've delivered his message better, I think you could've addressed me better (without misquoting or trying to belittle me, lol). And I thought YlawdY was agreeing with/responding to MY comment ("if people can stop harping on the foul language and recognize the message, what he's saying isn't bad at all.)
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Musb< that's what it is. That he had the audacity to say what he felt! It's shocking to people that one of these rappers is confident enough to speak up in a way that people don't find PC. And I agree that if Banner should have to use the standard taboo-free King's version of the English language to express his thoughts than so should we. I hereby implement an official EurWeb ban on the usage of all the words you just listed... in addition to any other ones I happen to find offensive. I will inform you all of what those other offensive words are in the order in which they are used...and I'm SURE they will be used.
Name: TGen
Comment: Katgrrl, I didn't misquote you, I paraphrased what you said as I was writing from memory and did not see what you wrote exactly. I also did not "throw in a jab," lol. I was making a point. But whatever. P.S. Re-read YLawdY's comment, the one you co-signed later. He/she was not agreeing with you, sorry. But I digress...
Name: yellatex1
Comment: I'm right there with you, DB. And it just bothers the hell out of me that people think Sharpton and Jackson speaks for all of us. They don't speak for ME.
Name: TGen
Comment: IJA, I'm really surprised that you think the "message was lost" on "people like me" lol. Uuum, no. Just the fact that this could be considered a top story on entertanment websites/radio shows today proves the ultimate point--THE WAY you do what you do MATTERS. People might get what you're saying, your point might not be "lost on them," but how something is done speaks volume. Again, I have to believe you're either joking or just playing devil's advocate for the hell of it...
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: lolol@IJA. See this is EXACTLY why I have been pressing for months about the use of "offensive language" and who gets to decide 'what' should be considered 'offensive.' Just how in-offensive is coon? Yet, people will use coon but object to using n1gga. Hunh? I just don't get it.
Name: TGen
Comment: P.S. IJA, there is a brother who just lost his job for comparing dogfighting with rape. Now all the execs and everyone with an ouce of brain cell knew what he was intimating, but it didn't matter. Right or wrong, the way he said it cost him is gig. *Shrug*
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: is inoffensive a word? let me check cuz that dont' sound right
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: TGen: Noooo, not reaching; don't have to. Simply put, what I said is that if people can look past the foul language and see the message, what Banner's saying isn't that bad. YLawdY got it! I'm sure others got it too. I didn't throw a bunch of $5 words up in it, lol. I'm not ignoring the foul language, nor am I asking others to. I'm just sayin', take a look beneath that surface.
Name: YLawdY
Comment: IJA...your momma cussing around you didn't prevent you from doing your job today, but it obviously has lowered the standard as to what is acceptable and what isn't. "People like me" have no problem receiving the message, but do have a problem with how's it's delivered. Let me say it slowly this time..It's not what he said, but how he said it. This is not a hard concept to absorb. If he were talking to his boys and not a publication, fine. He, in saying what he felt how he felt like saying it, just further solidifies the stereotypes about rappers. Is this the message he was trying to get across because that's what's coming through loud and clear. People like you need to think about this: The culture we allow is the culture we get.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: TGEN..ok he should have used more politically correct words. Got it. What's next? The people who agree w/him will champion what he said..those who don't will not. From what I have been reading, people do not look to hip-hop artists for intellectual discourse. So in the scheme of things, Banner saying this has a negative impact in what arena?
Name: McNasty
Comment: . . . so david banner gets a pass because he does a lot in his community? I give him props but there is more than just handing over things and money. He has a voice and with all the violence in our community his response basically just co signed some knucklehead cussing out another elder. His behavior condones that of his following if their choice is to clown like he did. At what point will he be the kind of example we need.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Many believed that we were "supposed" to look past Cosby calling black children "dirty laundry" because his message was on point. I guess namecalling is ok as long as you agree w/the message. Oprah didnt' correct Stanley Crouch for calling hip-hop artists clowns. In fact, the audience applauded. I guess that was appropriate and in/unoffensive too..LMAO...ya'll oughta quit.
Name: SpecialK
Comment: No matter how David Banner feels about Al Sharpton, he proved Al right by using that offensive, disgusting, child-like language that no grown man should use trying to state a point. To me je just sounded like an angry black man trying to make sure his "chedda" keeps rolling in. Press on Rev. Al.
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Tgen< Let me try for the last time lol. I am a writer and a spokeperson for my employer. I know well the industry standard for how to communicate with an audience, well enough to train others to do so. So there is no question DB’s delivery did not fit any communications guides or suggestions and certainly wouldn’t allow him to pass the media training I give my program people. LOL That’s not up for debate. My point is, each of us read DB’s comments and made a choice on what to focus. You chose to focus on ‘how’ he delivered his message, I chose to focus on the message. What I’m saying is that, I wish more people would make the choice I made in this instance, than the choice you made b/c I feel that I made the better one. So I’m not saying ‘how’ he said it doesn’t matter, I’m saying how much it matters is up to you to decide, and you have permissed the ‘how’ too carry much weight. But props to you for being able to continue a debate on Eurweb without becoming TOTALLY undone, that is VERY rare on here. High five!
Name: YLawdY
Comment: But ghetto is so descriptive!!! *pouting* All right, I'll start using maybe culturally challenged? How about chronically inappropriate? One of limited social awareness? Dayum, all those words are too long. Can we keep ghetto?
Name: TesticAl
Comment: FUCKK THAT! Reel gurls get down on the flo' on the flo, Reel gurls get down on the flo'. LIKE A PIYIMP!
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Maybe he learned namecalling from politics...lol I mean Dyck Cheney really did tell another Senator to go fk himself. Some conservative talk show host really did call Cynthia McKinney a ghetto slut. Anne Coulter really did call John Edwards a faggot. So let's not blame hip-hop..let's blame politics...lol
Name: YLawdY
Comment: ImJustAsking ...Shut up. You think all of your choices are the better one. Hurricane anyone? lol
Name: McNasty
Comment: Khufu in your earlier post (you know which one I refer to) you hit the nail on the head. Why pis.s in the wind when you know from where they blow. All that taking apart the man's words and trying to explain them like they don't yell nothing but ignorance and disrespect proves it just ain't worth it. That's what a college education gets some of these younguns . . . nothing!
Name: SpecialK
Comment: Speaking of offensive language, I was at the Stone Soul Picnic in DC on Saturday and was sitting on a metro bus trying to cool off when this young girl who appeared to be about 14 got on the bus and just started going off on her friend. This girl didn't flinch with the language that she used (and I mean the lowest of the low)and there were clearly adults and elders on that bus but it didn't stop her one bit. Myself and the other adults on the bus all looked at her at the same time and she just got quiet then quickly got off the bus. I wish I knew her cuz I would have smacked her dead in her mouth.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Al coming in just in time for the after party. Late azz!..lol Oh i keep 4get'n u 3 hours behind! West Coast throw it up!
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Musb< First banned word: coon. The least you could do is Type c**n. I can't even believe that makes it past EurWeb's censors. Lee Bailey, where the f*ck are you? Oh sh!t, I just violated my own damn rule. *smh* I do love how y'all are judging the man based off of one interview y'all just happened to catch wind of though. I would hate for somebody to tape some of your conversations that you find to be so intelligent. Like I said, not cursing does not elevate your ability to communicate. YlawdY< if David Banner apologizes for offending your sensibilities will you then be willing to discuss his larger point?
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Special K..you should have (as I do) said some'n to her. The most she would've done is continuing to cuss or stop.
Name: YLawdY
Comment: He probably learned name calling at his mama's knee. To bad he hasn't learned he doesn't have to continue the trend.
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: TesticAL< I'mma real girl...are you on the floor? *batting eyelashes* I'on know, you might have me grippin the grain.
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Musb< ha! I love your political examples...and don't forget that in order to insult someone you do not have to cuss. Somebody should tell that to these low class ghetto nobodies on this board.
Name: Nonnie
Comment: Sharpton needs to resign from the National Action Network. He is always roiling the waters of the media and defeating the purpose of the organization. I am not a fan of rap music, but Banners has a strong point in his denouncing the public divestment of the music industry in the use of free speech language.
Name: SpecialK
Comment: musbdherb: I ain't gonna lie, she caught me off guard. I normally would say something but I think the sun fried my brain that day. Some will listen to what you say and some will curse you out even harder. Sad but true!
Name: TesticAl
Comment: Herbs, what up my "NIGGUH"! *Throws up both dubs! Yeah I'm a bit late. I always go to ESPN.com first before I come to this bummy site. LOL!
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: What I see on here is a generational thing. We have the IJA/Musb types who were raised by the cursing, anything goes type parents. These youngsters are only a little younger than me but the difference is that my parents are old school. In my house saying the "N" word was like dropping the "F" bomb and both would get you a mouthful of soap. In my house, your elders were respected - period. Over the years parenting has changed. People having children now were raised by the Baby Boomers and the Hippie/Activists who wanted to do things differently and be friends w/their children. It caused a breakdown in values and in respect. It has also lead to this disrespectful anything goes society we live in now and it's not necessarily a good thing unless you like disrespect on a daily basis. Telling anyone "F-you" and "Suck your penis"? Yikes. Immature, disrespectful and ridiculous...
Name: YLawdY
Comment: ImJustAsking ....why on earth would I want him to apologize for being himself? My sensibilities aren't offended by any means. Just making an observation. If I were PUBLICLY making a statement, I would hope that I would have enough sense to make sure my message didn't get lost in BS. Communications 101. His larger point? You mean he had one? CTFU
Name: McNasty
Comment: I don't have a problem with any one of them speaking their mind or saying EXACTLY what they think. I am an advocate for speaking one's mind. Regardless of what we think or what point we make the eyes of the world are upon us - I see more disrespect heaped on us because of what we say in public for any and all ears to hear and eyes to read.
Name: TesticAl
Comment: IJA, don't start with me girl! LOL! queeniebunz, I have a question, do you really think telling someone "FUCKK YOU or Suck MY DICKK BICH" is immature? In my opinion, it can be. It all depends on what situation you're in.
Name: YLawdY
Comment: TesticAl ....Stop Now! Lol Did you mean FUCKK ME?
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: TGen: Okay, if if pleases you to deflect from you and I not seeing eye to eye and make it about YLawdY, more power to you. I've re-read YLawdY's comment and I still feel that it was addressing my previous comment. Hey, I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first or last time the missunderstanding occured here. I don't expect everyone to share my POV. It actually makes it interesting when they have a different one. But, whether you want to admit it or not, ya did misquote me. If you'd left out the quotation marks, then it would've been paraphrasing.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >YLawdY - I agree w/you. You CAN compare rappers who do community service to drug dealers who buy playgrounds. It is like this - a person is diagnosed w/depression and has to take antidepressants. That same person drinks alcohol - a depressant. The liquor cancels out the antidepressant and the person stays depressed. That is what happens when a person destructive to the community does community service. Their destructive behavior/acts cancel out their service and the community stays depressed. Building a playground for children you are teaching to be disrespectful and criminal through your music far outweighs the good of the playground. Those same children will destroy the playground in a month because they have no respect for anyone else's property. That is why when you go to any neighborhood in the DC/Maryland area, the basketball net has been taken down because the people in the neighborhood don't want the "element" that plays ball around because they litter, fight, drink, do drugs, sell drugs, and have sex after dark and you find needles, used condoms, beer bottles and trash around the next morning. Lashing out at Sharpton make this dude look ridiculous - even more ridiculous than his misogynistic music!
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: LMAO!!!!Queeniebunz and alla y’all!! In all the time I have been on this board, Musb and I have been two of the few people that manage to debate back and forth with people and not lose our minds spewing insults and other such garbage. We typically refrain from namecalling, and most profanity. So I don’t know how he and I got to be the ones with no common sense and parents that didn’t raise us right.. perhaps because people on this board due, perhaps due to an inferiority complex, are always reaching for a reason to insult someone younger than them. It’s no matter to me because there is so much filth spewed on this board on a daily basis against white folk, gays, each other etc. that it doesn’t surprise me that of all people, Musb and I would be pinpointed as ignorant. In fact, I think it’s a compliment that you have done so. *takes a bow* And yes, my mother is my best friend, we speak about 3 times a day, we have already spoken once this morning, and I’m about to call her right now and let her know that she was TOTALLY wrong in the way in which she raised me and I am SO not depositing any money her in account this month as a reward for producing a highly respectful, intelligent, and successful young lady. *falls outta chair laughin* You sophisticated black folk are a trip! I’on know, maybe cussin is just a Southeastern Virginia thing. I’m sorry I wasn’t raised in the way of the righteous. I am cracking up over here. Also, I do feel that telling Sharpton to suck it is ignorant but also, if I felt someone like Sharpton was attacking me personally maybe I’d be more emotional. TesticAl< I’m not sucking your d*ck.
Name: McNasty
Comment: Queeniebunz you said it all girl - throw down the mic!
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: Musbdherbs: "Many believed that we were 'supposed' to look past Cosby calling black children 'dirty laundry' because his message was on point. I guess namecalling is ok as long as you agree w/the message." <---Who are you addressing? I ask because my comment ("if people can look past the foul language and see the message, what Banner's saying isn't that bad.") was in a similar vein. If your comment was for me, I'd like to respond. If not, peace.
Name: TesticAl
Comment: IJA, please. Yes you are! LOL!
Name: YLawdY
Comment: Excuse me, missy, but I don't name call or spew insults nor attack those younger than me, so stop with the sweeping statements. Cussing is a universal thing, but I wouldn't cuss around certain people or under certain circumstances. Just like you...I didn't see you saying F*ck the LSU tiger.
Name: YLawdY
Comment: Questions: Was name calling allowed in your household growing up? How about cussing?
Name: Victornator
Comment: Damn, NAN put lipstick on a pig.
Name: Renetta
Comment: I LOVE absolutely LOVE his comeback. When I read it at first it threw me with the sexual fantasies thing but he did use the word fck and that does mean sex. I have no respect for rappers who use the b word so I have no sympathy for this person. He's asking what's Al doing about the kids being killed, what the hel is Levell doing about it other than contributing to it? Why ask your elders to do what YOU can do? If Al's a pimp, so is Levell, and at least Al is working on the right side. Fck levell
Name: YLawdY
Comment: Passport rules snag child support cash By KEVIN FREKING, Associated Press Writer Tue Aug 14, 3:34 PM ET The price of a passport: $311,491 in back child support payments for a U.S. businessman now living in China; $46,000 for a musician seeking to perform overseas, and $45,849 for a man planning a Dominican Republic vacation. The new passport requirements that have complicated travel this summer also have uncovered untold numbers of child support scofflaws and forced them to pay millions. The State Department denies passports to noncustodial parents who owe more than $2,500 in child support. Once the parents make good on their debts, they can reapply for passports. Now that millions of additional travelers need passports to fly back from Mexico, Canada, the Caribbean and South America, collections under the Passport Denial Program are on pace to about double this year, federal officials told The Associated Press. In all, states have reported collecting at least $22.5 million through the program thus far in 2007. The money is then forwarded to the parent to whom it is owed. Some people never learn. A boxer paid $39,000 in back child support to the state of Nevada last year to get a passport, which he lost. This year, his promoter had to loan him $8,930 so he could pay off his new child support debts and get a new passport to fight overseas. In one case last year, a man got his parents to pay his overdue child support — $50,498 to the state of Illinois. "For us, it's been amazing to see how people who owe back child support seem to be able to come up with good chunks of money when it involves needing their passport," said Adolfo Capestany, spokesman for the state of Washington's Division of Child Support. "Folks will do anything to get that passport, so it is a good collection tool." The $22.5 million reported to have been collected through the program this year is a conservative estimate. Some states voluntarily report the payments to the federal Office of Child Support Enforcement, but other states don't. It took all of 2006 to collect the same amount under the program, which began in 1998.
Name: YLawdY
Comment: Sorry, wrong post.
Name: Victornator
Comment: YLawdY, we (my brothers and sisters) had to call each other names and cuss each other out on the DL. My parents were not having it. That was a belt-whooping if we got caught cussing.
Name: oldsoul
Comment: Ok MOTHER, I feel you...LOL. Comments made by McNasty and Khufu resonate with me. At the same time, I respect all the other ones. I don't agree with all of 'em...some of them show an embarassing level of ignorance...but at what point do I discard my respect? Do I do it when somebody feels the need to dis me? Do I do it when someone says something that "appears" to attack my personal pov? Basically, at what point do I choose to stoop? You can't argue with fools for whose to know who is who? Whatever your answer may be points directly to how much you've evolved/matured? And if you know the truth of Life, which will not be told to you (I mean, I'll tell you no qualms about it)) in your papers, most books and TV - you will know wherever you are is really cool because you've got as many lives as you need to live to get it right, not just the one the world's been duped into believing. Oh and by the way, there's no heaven or hell besides the one you make for yourself, so be You and don't be afraid of that man-made-used to control you-pimp you b-u-l-l-s-h-i-t from this day forward...unless you like being a slave. Thing is yo, we are all in this b-i-t-c-h- named Amerika trying just to live, just to Be, just to be Free. So I wonder, if that's what we're all trying to do - I presume - and we let each wo/man do that without dousing each individual's free will with hate, misperception, judgement and fear, wouldn't we be much closer to what it is we seek? Just curious...
Name: TGen
Comment: Wow, okay a few comments: Katgrrl, okay I'll be wrong about the "paraphrase" and you're wrong about the YLawdY co-sign, lol...we're even! :) IJA, I know you "wish more people had made the choice you made," but folks wish they were out of jail, folks wish they won the lottery, lol, uuum not likely to happen. The interesting thing is I think we both understand the other's point, my beef is that someone with understanding such as you, a writer for crying out loud (like me) who KNOWS the power of words and how they are arranged, could actually still defend the indefensible. Still have not heard a valid argument to support Banner telling Al to suck his...his "frustration" has absolutely nothing to do with that ish. You can be frustrated and STILL hold your composure...but why am I telling you this? You already know it...you just don't care, lol Musdherbs, Banner's comments have a negative impact in the social arena. People may not look to hip-hoppers for intellectual discourse, but you best belieev people are looking...which is why someone who can (presuming Banner knows better) should always have his game extra tight for the naysayers, got THAT? lol And Queeniebuzz, I guess I would be considered a "youngun" so it's not necessarily a generational thing, but you're right, my parents didn't use that type of language on the regular, so I guess they would be considered "old school," lol Finally, TesticAl, I have to admit your "Get down on the flo" rendition had me cracking up! Okay, I think that covers it, wow, I'm tired of typing, lol
Name: MsVanese
Comment: Hmmm, scurred to comment today *looking behind me* Obviously Mr. Banner & Misters Jackson & Sharpton need to talk. *laughing* Respect your elders? Yes, but what if that Elder is trying to harm you? Then what? That is a problem in itself because you tell your child to "mind grown folks" but that grown azz person might have an ulterior motive other than friendship. JMO. In the '60s everybody knew everybody; a neighbor didn't mind if you whipped his/her child; now days, if you even looks sideways somebody is ready to hurt you. We can't accomplish anything positive unless we agree to disagree & come to a compromise that works for everyone involved.
Name: OSUN
Comment: Ylawdy we used to get cussed out regularly. I dont particularly recall name calling except maybe lazy trifling or something like that. I admit I have picked up cussing abit this year, but I truly dont like the way it sounds particularly on females so I am going to reign myself back in. I have a good friend and when we would go out she would cuss and be all loud and bodacious with it. I told her she sounded common and I would appreciate it if she could at least be quiet with it b/c I dont want people to think birds of a feather flock together. She would be the main one talking about not doing things b/c it wasn't lady like.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: For the record, I think Jesse and Al are BUFFOONS/Pimps in the Pulpit/Soundbite Chasers, etc. However, I can say that w/o cursing them and being disrespectful. I can and would say it to their faces if given the opportunity. I would LOVE to tell them that and ask them to explain their VERY shady dealings. However, despite my utter and total contempt for both of them, I would not say what David Banner said because 1)it's disrespectful and 2)it would make me look small and ridiculous. Jesse did that to himself when he criticized GW Bush back in 2000 and Bush and his camp blasted him w/his illegitimate daughter by the author he was kickin' it with = Jesse looked like the hypocrite he really is. If you are going to criticize anyone, have your house in order. Clearly David/Levell doesn't understand this concept. I'm not going to call someone a bad mother if my kids are cutting class. I'm not going to call somebody a lazy employee if my work isn't done. It makes you look stupid and it makes people ignore you the next time you open your mouth.
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: I have informed my mom that some internet people who regularly post on a black entertainment Web site have thoroughly %*$essed her parenting skills via my web posts and found them to be deficient in several areas. She acted like she was amused, but I KNOW she was hurting inside. I asked her if she wanted to know what areas she needed to improve, to which she replied ‘no.’ I guess the pain would be too much to bear. I started to tell her ignorance must be bliss but people don’t talk to their ‘friends’ that way. YlawdY< my previous post was directed at various points to various people. People should know who it applies to. No namecalling in my house unless you count narrow azz or little azz…typically she called me negrochild. Only cussin came from mom. Never knew my dad cussed until he was on the phone one day and didn’t know I was home. I was SHOCKED b/c my daddy is total sugar plums and candy canes. I really don’t cuss a lot and my mom has mellowed over the years but she still calls me Miss Nice Nasty b/c in the past I have asked her to tone down her language. Once I took history of English class and I realized that curse words were pretty arbitrary I left her alone about it. I figured at some point the world would come to her side quicker than she would come to mine. TGen< I can hold my composure depending on the situation. Say something about me, I don’t care. Say something about my momma/daddy I might verbally bust your azz. Everybody has their buttons, maybe this was his. I guess I’ve always been a forgiving person…despite the nefarious way in which I was raised. *adjusts halo*
Name: TGen
Comment: Great post Queenie. Touche about Jesse, but a lot of folks give Al a pass. He too had a mistress who I think worked on his staff of course. *Sigh* "Reverends" and their skeletons, lol )But that's a whole different story for a whole different day...)
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: TesticAL< I am saving all my d*ck sucking for marriage...or if David Banner logs on and tells ME to suck his d*ck. lmao!!!!
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Way to go queenie! The other week I was an idiot for not agreeing w/you. Now I was raised in a cussing household w/parents who had an "anything" goes policy because I share a view different than your own. Yeah I guess it is a parenting thing. MY mother taught me early on that you do not have to insult someone just to make a point. Wait a minute, that apparently is what many others believe as well, especially those who felt Banner should have used more appropriate words. Wait again, should queenie be applauded for DIRECTLY insulting both IJA and me when NEITHER of us said anything of the same to her? But, Banner is wrong because of...? Oh yeah, that ol thing called double standard.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >OSUN - Your friend is an freakin' lady, right? LOL! Cursing is something I stopped doing when I started going to church. It is still a challenge when I'm driving but at least I'm by myself and only I have to hear it and apologize to God for hearing it too...how many times a week do I say, "Sorry about that one, but he cut me off, God!"...I'm working on it! LOL! And you're right. It does sound awful coming from a woman/girl. I realized it when I was teaching and I fussed at the kids and I still fuss at them in my neighborhood and tell them what my ma told me - Ladies don't curse and ladies don't fight = old school... I will say this also - I KNOW I am respected/regarded as a lady when men/boys slip and curse around me and immediately apologize. That is the test. If a dude curses around you and doesn't apologize at your shocked look, you have to question whether he respects you or not. You also have to question how you are carrying yourself... Driving around listening to rap music at the highest volume and dressing like a $2 whore and carrying on in public like gutter rat and talking/bragging about your sexual exploits won't get you that level of respect. That is something these young women don't understand. I am glad my ma taught me how to carry myself because I enjoy that level of respect from every man/boy I encounter, even the knuckleheads on the street in my neighborhood know not to talk any ole kinda way when I walk by.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: For the record, my mother cusses enough for 20 generations and her cussing, anything goes azz is proud to have raised such an ignorant, idiotic, immature, apologist son who is financially independent, stable, never sold drugs, never been in jail/married or have kids. WTF was she thinking!! TGEN...we will agree to disagree. Those who agree w/banner will applaud and see very little wrong w/what he did..those who don't will use his word choice as evidence of how hip-hop is the root of all social evil. It really is that simple for me. Since you are all for words and how they affect folk, do you care to condemn queenie's vituperative choice of words? You know the one who won't lower herself to using words such as banner's..she'll just use similar invectives against people who didn't share her view online. Unh hunh..yeah her. the one who just called somebody a buffoon and a pimp just because she does not agree w/them.
Name: Stephanie
Comment: Ummm, would I be a heel if I asked who is David Banner???? I've never heard of him.
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Musb< I hate to correct you, but she didn't insult you so much as YO' MOMMA! lmao!!!! And guess what? You and I STILL didn't insult her. *gives Musb the pound* And trust, I take things people say about my momma real serious. Luckily this is the internet. *scows at queenie* queenie< you couldn't even criticize Jesse and Al without calling them pimps! Why do they have to be addressed in that manner? b/c that's the manner that is comfortable to you? Personally, I find that to be highly ignorant taking into account that literal affect that pimps have on a community... And you really feel that Sharpton and Jackson are the equivalent?
Name: lawdhepmypeoples
Comment: It's so unfortunate that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have spent most of their adult lives fighting for equality and fair treatment of us Black people, only to be disrespected, criticized and in many instances made fun of by us Black people. Well, I'll tell you who does respect them, and that's white folks. Let Jesse or Al kick up dust for any cause and see don't they grab YT's attention immediately. But we, who more than likely, have never marched for any cause, spent a moment in jail after being arrested for protesting against an act of injustice against Blacks, nor have we been injured during a demonstration to bring awareness to how we Blacks are continually mistreated in this country. Al Sharpton, like it or not, with the help of local politicians is continuing his battle against social injustice by targeting the major record companies and guaranteeing them that the will lose billions in financing if they do not take the demeaning lyrics out of the music that is marketed to the youth in our Black communities. Gangsta rap and hip hop is, though not solely, responsible for helping to continue to deplete our young people of the pride and dignity they should be exhibiting after overcoming slavery and years of oppression in this country. Dr. M.L. King and many others lost their lives to give them liberty & freedom. And, this is how we thank them. Well, while Banner is squealing over losing some thousands of his little dollars, the record companies are worried about losing billions. You go Al!!!
Name: YLawdY
Comment: No name calling or cussing when I was growing up either. That and hitting each other would mean BIG trouble. My mom never cussed. As a matter of fact she recently said someone was a b*tch and the WHOLE family is still talking about it. lol My dad allows no cussing around women or children in his domain. I don't normally cuss so one day I said "Stop, dammit." to my daughter turned around and she was crying. When I asked why she said "You called me dammit." She was only seven, but the point is she wasn't exposed to that in daily life. Makes your kids turn out like IJA.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >Musb - I think you are very ignorant. I do. I think you defend a culture/music/lifestyle that has negatively impacted the mindset of youth and I don't understand why. There is a reason why our youth - even the middle class younguns - walk around in slouchy pants, cornrows, big sloppy shirts. There is a reason why these same youth steal, sell drugs, covet money/material things above human life, think education is stupid, and treat women like objects to screw and discard. That reason is this whole hip hop lifestyle idiots like Banner promote in their music. People can deny it if they want but when your children look up to David Banner, Jay-Z, 50 Cent, etc. more than they look up to Dr. Ben Carson, Thurgood Marshall, etc. we have a problem. Our youth are getting more and more lost because that they are bombarded with these negative messages. Any time a black boy is ashamed to turn in his homework because his friends will think he studied = WE HAVE A PROBLEM. You defend this lifestyle that promotes this behavior so YES. I do think you are extremely ignorant. I don't care if you agree with me. I AM calling you out for defending a culture that is ruining our youth. Deal with it.
Name: YLawdY
Comment: queeniebunz ....maybe they're scared. lol
Name: TGen
Comment: Musdherbs, I think you're [purposely] diluting Queenibuzz's argument. (I think) her point was that you can have ill will towards someone but express it in a way that would be considered um "decent," if only for the sake of SELF-respect, forget what others say. I realize you're trying once again to place on mirror on others and have them see their duplicity. In this instance, however, I think you're stretching just for the sake of discourse or something. lol It's all good...
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: <<<<>>>>people may not remember what you said or what you did, but they will remember how you made them feel>>>><<<<somebody is going to read that first sentence and detect some negativity while others will read it and know positivity . . . words can punch the spirit out of people just as words can encourage . . . the commenters, the first place where we can start treating people with dignity and respect, especially when we disagree, is on the various boards on EUR . . . lastly, we have to train our children to be street-smart about elders who would harm them and help them to understand that (sadly) all elders are not good people (including relatives)
Name: TesticAl
Comment: queeniebunz, NOT GETTING ON YOU SO DON'T TAKE IT THAT WAY. How old are you? From your recent posts, you sound like you were raised in the '30s.
Name: YLawdY
Comment: "when your children look up to David Banner, Jay-Z, 50 Cent, etc. more than they look up to Dr. Ben Carson, Thurgood Marshall, etc. we have a problem." But why are your children looking up to those people more? Yes, we have a problem, but that starts at home. I have a 27 year old stepson, an 18 year old daughter, 13 year old stepson & daughter, had a foster child from 6 weeks to 8 years and another from age 3 til 5 and been a surrogate for several other girls. All of these children are doing well. All of them have been exposed to hip hop (I happen to like hip hop), but the difference is they were also exposed to cultural arts, history, current affairs, rules and expectations. I can't take all the credit for how the kids are coming along, just like hip hop can't take all the blame for those kids that aren't coming along.
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: YlawdY< I’m sure it’s the tone you used and not the curse word that made your daughter cry seeing as how if she knew what dammit meant she would have known she was not being called that…unless, of course, you are a really bad cusser. But nice try on that one. Dust it off and try again. Hey, maybe cussin is a southern thing. Women in the south are a very special breed that’s for damn sure! And I’m proud to have been raised by a “cussin and fussin’” southern woman! *sips a mint julip* Tgen< queenie diluted her own argument by insulting both Musb, myself, and our Mommas. If it’s not okay for us or DB to be ignorant why is it ok for her to be? By pointing out her hypocrisy that’s saying if you can’t stop yourself from being ignorant then how can you criticize someone else for not controlling themselves? It’s a simple argument. I hope you are willing to admit you understand.
Name: YLawdY
Comment: ImJustAsking , dammit.. It was funny as heyall to see her standing there saying "You called me dammit."
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: TGen: I Love you for that. That is very big of you...cos yes, paraphrasing and quoting are two different things, lol. As for the YLawdY co-sign, the jury's still out on that one. :) If YLY states that they were addressing you, I won't hesitate to offer you a humble apology from the bottom of my heart! But, I still think that YLY was respondin' to what I'd said. (LOL, YLawdY prolly wants no part of this.) Anywho TGen, I appreciate a little healthy debating. So on that note, thank you. And regardless of what you or others here may think, I honestly have no animosity towards you.
Name: YLawdY
Comment: Question for IJA...are you wanting to hit Banner cause his ashy lips remind you of Ron Mexico?
Name: MsVanese
Comment: The ONLY role model a child should be looking up to is a parent or grandparent. It is up to us to teach our children right from wrong. Yeah, we send our children to school for an education, but if they haven't been hometraining at home, they are going to go to school and act a damn fool then say, "the teacher hates me because...". People shouldn't let words make or break them. So Al & Jesse are positive role models? What about Bill Cosby? What about all the other men out here who are undercover DL? So SOME people are saying it is okay to have a child out of wedlock as long as it is a ROLE MODEL of the community who is helping us to MOVE FORWARD? *LAUGHING* Opinions are just that OPINIONS!!
Name: MsVanese
Comment: hometraining = home trained
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: YlawdY< Are David's lips ashy in the picture? I didn't look. I just think he's sexy in general. Michael Vick's lips are ashy b/c he only uses cherry chapstick to moisterize them and it just doesn't work. I know this b/c he used to keep a tube in his helmet.
Name: bigheadbull2
Comment: Khufu..Wherever you have placed your black card, put mine next to it.I'm done. One love.
Name: TesticAl
Comment: bigheadbull2, PLEASE give me your black card! PLEASE! I will sell that joint so fast! If you give it to me, I will make sure you get a nice cut from my profit. No sense on letting that thing go to waste.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: TGEN...WHOAAAAAA! Now I'm surprised that you would defend the negative things queenie said about both IJA and I and our parents. WOW!!!! Do you consider how queenie just called me ignorant (extremely ignorant at that) and an apologist as DECENT? Please tell me that now "you" are the one who's joking. I hope that you posted that w/o realizing what queenie just said to me. If you still are drawing distinctions between her choice of words and those of banners after just reading what she wrote, then we can stop this convo altogether. That would mean that you are not open to any view other than your own. THAT is a detriment. Wow! I can't believe you are defending her word choice. WOW!
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Queenie, my out of control, anything goes mother would indeed CUSS ME OUT and then slap the shyt outta me, if I ever intimated that a culture "made me do anything." Her ignint azz taught me early on to be responsible for "my own actions" and don't try to be like someone else. Now of course we grew up beneath you, relatively poor and in the ghetto so I understand that those teachings should not be shared across socioeconomic bounds. You can "call me out" til the Redskins win a superbowl. But, your message and it's delivery will continue to fall on deaf ears. Save yourself the energy sweetchuck cuz u may need it on your death bed.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: AL..lol..shyt give that bytch to me and I'll sell it in a heartbeat. Anybody else wanna throw there's in? I heard that you can get a coupon from Popeye's if you do.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: In today's news, that goddamn Cholixir from Godiva is sin in a bottle.
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: TesticAL< well seeing as how those black cards were OBVIOUSLY stolen in the first place, I don't think you should be advertising the fact that you will sell a hot merchandise.
Name: TesticAl
Comment: Herbs, I thought of that hustle first homey! LOL! I'm selling the black cards. You can continue to sell the pornography dvds. I have one side of the street and you have the other. At the end of the day, we both make a killin'! Popeye's bisskits are the truth!
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: TesticAL< it's not that I'm tryna tell you what to do, it's just that I don't want you to go to jail before I tap that azz.
Name: GRAN1DIVA
Comment: I don't even know why this is a shock at the response from the rapper he is trying to prove his point but he only helped to prove Sharpton's point. If he wants to use that language then let him and see how far his career will go because people who want to can buy it but those that don't want and the group that listens mostly to rap are teens so if parents refuse to pay for CD's that contain that language then where will rap go, there is nothing wrong with rap but you do not have to degrade anyone to get a point across, there are better ways to say what has to be said with out diisrespect.
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: MUSB: I never got a response from you...or if you DID respond, sorry, I didn't see it. Anywho, I ain't givin' up my Black card for nothin' or nobody and I'll fight any one of y'all in the street if you try to take it from me! I may not agree with everything we Black folks do, but I carry my card with pride. And screw some Popeye's. My Grandma's chicken and homemade biscuits are the best! She can't make that dirty rice though...
Name: TesticAl
Comment: IJA, you are NASTEE! I like that. Take some boobie pics and send them to my phone. I did my part already. You know what I'm talking about. I ain't going to jail. Cops ain't gonna arrest a man in uniform. Ya DIG.
Name: YLawdY
Comment: musbdherbs ...why you got to pick on the Redskins? Why couldn't you have said "until the Raider win a Superbowl", huh?
Name: TesticAl
Comment: katgrrrl, dont be disrespeckkin' Popeye's bisskits! By the way, have your grandmother send some of those biscuits to Cali. LOL!
Name: TesticAl
Comment: YLawdY, watch how you talk about the Raiders. Raiders to the casket drops over here. LOL! *Puts on Tim Brown Jersey*
Name: YLawdY
Comment: GRAN1DIVA ...uh, who actually pays for CD's when the kids are swapping it back in forth all day long via disc, e-mail, downloading it, bootlegging it whatever. Which is why home training is even more important.
Name: TGen
Comment: LOL, Musdherbs, there you go diluting again. Now did I say I agreed with Queenie's use of those words? NO. I SAID (rolling my neck,lol) she was trying to make a POINT, and you know damn well what her point was. Yes, she probably she have made it without the name-calling as her POINT obviously got muddled in the WAY she made it. Hmmm...sounds familiar, suspuciously like someone else who's tasteless comments have generated over 100 comments today, hmmm... (Smile)
Name: bigheadbull2
Comment: TesticAl.. you can have anything I got with your 27 year old self. Happy belated baby boy may you have many more
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: lol@IJA @AL..at some point ya'll just need to get a cyber room DAYUM! Al, hell let's switch our product up then cuz u the porn king..lol Oh that's the shyt right dere. Imagine the loot, porn and black cards. If we're smart we can make up some shyt about the black card giving you access to porn and n1ggas'll go for it...lol Kat..i'm sorry sweetheart let me go back and see the question. In the midst of being called such horrible, disrepectful, undignified names, I must have missed it.
Name: YLawdY
Comment: TesticAl ...my condolences!! Mr. YlawdY actually has a Raiders room..a shrine to all things Raiders. Poor guy. lol
Name: bigheadbull2
Comment: Blank stare... LOL
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: I was going to comment on the Redskins dig but then I remembered that Portis, Samuels, El, Moss, and everyone else is suffering from injuries right now and the season hasn't even begun! TesticAL< okay, but the picture I send is going to be of SOMEONE ELSE'S tittays. I hope that's ok.
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Musb< if you wanna make money that card should give you access to fried chicken as well. Not to be stereotypical but there is a spoiled watermelon in the refridgerator at my job and I am SO HOPING the person who left it in there is not of African decent.
Name: Timolyn
Comment: Well I say. This article got alot of y'all attention. 181 hits before 2:30pm. Well all I have to say is alot of you have a good point. I understood what Banner was saying even with using the vulgar language, but on the other hand he could have been a lil more tactful. I do agree were the New and X generation will hear this and think it is ok to talk to their elders any kind of way. Even though alot of entertainers are not trying to be role models unfortunately they are. And these kids are going to emulate entertainers rather we like it or not.
Name: TesticAl
Comment: bigheadbull2, thanks for the birthday wish. I'm actually impressed that you know how old I am. Anyway, RAIDERS vs. Redskins all time 7-3. With that said, RAIDERS ARE BETTER THAN THE REDSKINS! Props to your husband having a Raider room. I will have one one day. I would have a Laker room, but the colors are too loud for a room! LOL!
Name: cornbread
Comment: DAVID BANNER IS A IGNORANT AZZ FAGGOT!! I HATE STUPID AZZ NEGGAZ LIKE HIM. WHAT THE FUKK HAS HE DONE FOR BLACKS BUT PROMOTE KILLING AND UNSAFE SEX? NEGGAZ WILL NEVER DO BETTER WITH THE LYRICS THESE DUMB AZZ RAPPERS FROM THE SOUTH ARE PUTTING OUT. THEY ARE DETROYING HIP HOP. FUKK THE SOUTH. WE NEED MORE KRS-1, PUBLIC ENEMY, AND POOR RIGHTEOUS TEACHERS. THESE SOUTHERN RAPPERS CAN'T RAP AND THEY DON'T HAVE %*$! TO TALK ABOUT BUT MATERIAL THINGS, GETTING DRUNK AND HAVING SEX. FUKK EVERY SINGLE LAST ONE OF THOSE MUTHA FUKKAZ.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Katt...lol..no I was not addressing my post to you, it was a general comment about how people have excused Cosby for his derogatory remarks because his adulterous azz is "of the people," but will knock someone else for doing the same. But it seems as if we were saying the same thing. TGEN..let's stop azzuming and deal what exactly what was said. The things queenie SAID have been very negative and you have yet condemn her. Why? It's because you agree w/her message. In contrast, I said that I would have used another choice of words such as Al Sharpton can "kiss my azz" instead of sk my dk. IMO that sounds like me acknowledging that I didn't agree w/his choice of words but agreed w/his point. Are you sure something is being diluted here? That's ok, the fact that I gave you imperical evidence of someone who used invectives on THIS board on THIS day and you "excused" it means that we will not get anywhere..s'all gud tho'. YLAWDY..lol..well I was only trying to point out something that'll never happen. My bad homie!!!! IJA...it is a HORRIBLE start to the season. Now that Smoot is back I may throw a lil support for Deadskinz. Hell I'm partying w/him next week at 1223. Well, let me go back and read this damn flier again. I think we should add some FLAVORED TEA to the list too..lol
Name: TesticAl
Comment: Herbs, I'm down. I can Raid to a bug! Word to Cassidy. We're gonna be millionaires! LOL! About IJA, Herbs my nig, I will seriously punch a hole through that thick girl's back. Nut so much it would be coming out of her nose.
Name: TesticAl
Comment: LMAO at cornbread! That's my nigguh/homegirl right there. Yo cornbread, are you a man or a woman homey? It doesn't matter, I'm just asking in general.
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: TesticAl: You got it! Fresh, warm, buttery, buttaaaahmilk biscuits comin' straight to ya! And because your posts are crackin' me up, I'll throw in a bottle of Mrs. Butterworth's... Wait, all Grandma has is Karo syrup... I'll pick up the Butterworth's on the way to the post office.
Name: TGen
Comment: Okay, Musdherbs, I won't azzume I know Queenie's point. I'll pretend to have an IQ of 5 for the sake of this convo, lol. So in black-and-white terms, Queenie was dead wrong for name calling and so was David Banner. Is that what you were looking for? Geez Louise... (LoL)
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: TesticAL< I will ride you so hard your d*ck and knees will be missing more cartilage than Tim Hardway. I hope you have been doing one armed push ups b/c thick girls from the souf know how to handle the d*ck so watch yo mouf! Musb< Tell Smoot I will tap that azz…but not like they were tapping it on that boat b/c I know he’s real sensitive about that. I haven’t been to 1223 since they moved Flirt. Cornbread< may I ask why all the venom toward SOUTHERN rappers. That’s kind of biased in my opinion.
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Musb< I will admit that for the past week I have been drinking blueberry white tea. It's the Negro in me coming out strong.
Name: TGen
Comment: Oh my bad, let me clarify seeing as how nit-picky and small this convo has become, lol. I don't know if Banner called Sharpton a name...I should have said he was wrong for saying he should suck his...okay, end clarification. :)
Name: TesticAl
Comment: katgrrrl, good looking out. I have no clue on what Karo syrup is. I appreciate that Butterworth's. If you can't find that, Log Cabin will do just fine.
Name: TesticAl
Comment: IJA, lmao at my dickk and knees missing more cartilage than Tim Hardaway! LMAO! That is something I would say. Do what you have to do. I'm bringing my A game. Mi show deh gal how deh Belizeans geh down!
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: Musb, hanks for clearin' that up. :) Peace. <> Testic: I'm goin' down to GA to see my G'ma next month. Gettin' my fat clothes ready cos when I return, there'll be about 10-15 more pounds of love on me, lol. Smothered chicken, fried chicken, biscuits, cobbler, bread, icecream... All homemade and all from scratch! Brings a tear to my eye just thinkin' about it. I Love my Gra'mama!
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! Boy you are a fkng nutcase and that is some ol porno shyt right there. TGEN..notice I never excused or defended what he said. I understood where he was coming from. Same as you apparently do w/queenie. Now, in black and white terms, does that make you ignorant, an idiot, immature, or grew up in an "anything goes household" because you don't throw queenie out w/the ditch water? Of course it doesn't and nor would I infer such. It simply means that we adults share differing opinions. At the end of day, I was receptive to what you said even if I didn't agree and saw no need to be disrespectful. There are others on here who don't roll like that. And you know u gud and wrong for talking about how nit-picky this has become when you have done just that from your first post...nit-pick and dismiss what Banner has said but agree w/queenie even though she was just as disrespectful. Stop playin..lol
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: And my boy AL..you are really NOT from America if u don't know bout Karo syrup. How in the hell? Is that a southern thing?..lol IJA..who's knocking the souf? Let me go back up
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: Testic: My Gra'mama used to always have Karo in the house when I was a kid. I can't stand that weird a$$ syrup... <> Cornbread = David Banner?
Name: TesticAl
Comment: Herbs, FUCKK YOU MAN..with ya cuntree a$$. LOL! This dude said I'm not really from America. LMAO! Well I am Americanized. LOL! You stupid homey. I have never heard of Karo syrup until it was mentioned on here.
Name: eternallife
Comment: Say what you want about Al or Jesse....they stick up for our community. And I'll dam.n sure would call upon them then some ig'nant rapper name David Banner. BTW, David, your CD sucked big time.... LOL
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: TesticAL< well when we f*ck I want you to pretend like you're NOT from America. I never been with a a Caribbean man before. So DeAmericanize yourself before I get there. Help me with my fantasy. Say some sh!t in my ear that I can't understand.
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Musb< cornbread PACIFICALLY pointed to southern rappers as ignorant as though Northern rappers are any better...that's what I was talking about.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >T-Gen - I didn't call anybody any names. I said that we were raised by different types of parents. My blue-collar, middle class parents are old school parents who told teachers to beat me if I got out of line even though corporal punishment was outlawed in school by then. My parents told neighbors/friends' parents to beat me if I got out of line and then call them and they'd beat me again = I didn't get out of line cuz I was terrified of my parents. My parents weren't my buddies. They were my parents/guides/disciplinarians. We didn't smoke/drink/do drugs/date together. And Test - I'm 34, not raised in the 30s. I just have traditional parents from the South/Midwest who were raised w/respect and taught me respect. I stand by that...And I still think musb is ignorant. It's not a "name" it's an adjective that according to Encarta on MSN means - "1. lacking knowledge: lacking knowledge or education in general or in a specific subject, 2. unaware: unaware of something ignorant of the danger, 3. resulting from lack of knowledge: caused by a lack of knowledge, understanding, or experience; an ignorant mistake"... I stand by that. Clearly, anyone who continues to defend this mess is IGNORANT - in this case "unaware of the danger" of hip hop and its impact on our society. I stand by that. You can't really blame people for what they don't know...and folks on here are ignorant if they continue to think that our youth aren't being strongly influenced by the hip hop culture they are bombarded with every time they turn on their televisions, computers, radios. You WISH/PRAY/HOPE parents/grandparents are the influence but when all your kids want to be is rappers, ballplayers, pimps, street corner pharmaceutical salesmen, video vixens, babymamas - the hip hop culture has stolen your children from you. I think some people argue on here just to argue but I know y'all live in the same country I live in, and some of you in the same area (DC/MD) and see exactly what I see. Maybe you see it thru rose-tinted lenses. I don't know but what I see on the news every night is young people committing crimes, getting killed, crashing cars, and generally acting like they were raised by wolves in the wild. Are y'all not watching the same news as me? Can you please give me the station you watch because I would love to see these wonderful children you all see. All I see are the ones who litter up my neighborhood and act like extras from Boyz in the Hood! Please show me the kids you see!!!
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: lol@AL..well shyt homie..imjusaying. How the fk u ain't go know bout karo syrup. Ok maybe bcz growing up, I knew that there was no making a pecan pie if u didn't have karo surp. IJA..see them damn all caps posts be hard on a n1ggas eyes so I don't always read. Oh HELLZ NO! Northerns rappers are NOT any better.
Name: MsVanese
Comment: Interesting how these columns only got 6, 22 & 3 posts versus over 200 on this one. (1) STEVEN IVORY: Things Black Folk Have to Let Go of to Move Forward (2) THE MO'KELLY REPORT: Change Our Mentality or Face Extinction (3)BETWEEN THE LINES: For President Of The United States, Is Anybody 'Black Enough' To Lead The Nation And Black People? Hmmm, what is the real problem?
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: I am surprised at David Banner coming like that, in fact as many people are pointing out his comments add fuel to the fire that rap is pure ignorance for those who don't know any better and certainly his comments don't help people unfamiliar be interested in his concerns. Because things had gotten to the crisis point, many activist mistakenly have taken to the 'throwing the baby out with the bath water' solution, and as a result many rap artists feel insulted and put upon. Yes many artist do give back to their community immensely, however that will not give them a pass for continuing to put out produces with excessive and unneccessary negative language. I don't believe in censorship but I do believe in self imposed censorship, i.e. you can tell your story with out the gratuitous derogatory language so Al ain't that far off. If there is going to be a positive solution, the generation 'gap' or hip-hop/anti hip-hop 'gap' needs to be closed as the bottom line is that no one wants our race to continue to suffer from all of our problems including black or black crime, disrespect of each other, classism, ageism etc. Actually although Al was the one called out, since he prides himself as being so astute, he should reach out to Dave and say yes I understand you have problems with me, but let's talk about like two intelligent black men....
Name: Sexee
Comment: LOL! Rev. AL publicist put it to David Banner! Although I feel Rev. AL is a community pimp, David Banner's attack adds fuel to the flame in a build resistance against hip-hop community. Where's your vocab David? Personal attacks are not needed, only facts will do.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: LMAO @ queenie's post. I hope that people really are seeing what you've written here today cuz it does say a mouthful. As many of my post over time have shown, the difference between queenie's upbrining and mine is that my mom was a single mom and we were poor. Her suggestion that somehow my dictum on hip-hop is a reflection on how poorly I was raised is a great example of why there is no such thing as a black community. Even if we were middle class, my mother's ghetto azz would slap the shyt outta me for this "you are beneath me/elitist/classist" crap she continues w/on this board. BTW, queenie don't distort reality, call your mammy "ignorant" and see how your traditional parents react to that. In fact, call your boss that and see how that works.
Name: YLawdY
Comment: TesticAl & IJA...yall gon make the FCC shut down the board. Get a room!!! Testic....now we know you aint originally from da USA. Errbody over the age of too knows bout that thick, nasty Karo syrup! *gagging* I HATED that shyt and was so happy when mom started buying Log Cabin!!!!
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Musb< you know whenever we make a point some people make a conscious decision to ignore it. Queenie has made it clear that she feels she is the only one with a God given right to be mean to folk.
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: YLAWDY> EWWWW, Karo syrup tasted like kerosene smelled, I remember it growing up but I thought that ish long gone. Why does that stuff even exist???
Name: Cappaucino
Comment: It's like this " I hate Rap" it's ignorant, who wants to listen to that nasty trash and call it art. Nas is right "Hip Hop is Dead" or in my opinion needs a desperate face lift at the least. I don't like ("Al Do Sharpton")that much either, truth is he makes people of color look bad and we don't need him and we don't need expletives in our music to make it "Hot" sounds more like "Hot Garbage" to me....
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: co-sign MsVanese
Name: Cappaucino
Comment: I stand by Queenie, I share her sentiments 100%. Take a look around you do you see other races acting out rap videos in real life. the europeans dont walk around dressing like rock stars! Why do we have to all walk around dressing and talking like rappers. I don't see any europeans talkin like Aerosmith or Guns n Roses. We need to stop being like Diddy " Livin in TV" cuz that is not reality and Queenie is not being upper class she is far more leniant than what other races think about what they see us doing....
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: IJA..yeah you're right. I think more people ignore most of my posts (regardless if I'm on point) that I make because they've long decided that they don't "like to play w/me."...lol I'm trying to figure out how in the hell ya'll know what karo syrup taste like. Did ya'll use that on pancakes or some'n. I have NEVER tasted it alone and only in pies and shyt like that. WTF? Mark this day: From this point forward let's consistently "check each other" on the remarks we make to others. We should ESPECIALLY be cognizant of the message we're sending the next time we call Al Sharpton, Jessie or any of them mkfrs a poverty pimp, coon or otherwise. Let's see can we check ourselves b4 we start trying to check others.
Name: YLawdY
Comment: MsVanese ...maybe because those truths are self evident and don't require debate?
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Cappa..uhm..yt folk do dress like Rock Stars AND hip-hop stars. So, let's not make more sweeping generalizations here and if queenie has a problem w/what she sees in here hood then she needs to pack up and move.
Name: YLawdY
Comment: musbdherbs ...I had an old uncle that used to make these skillet (cast iron of course) size buckwheat pancakes and put Karo syrup on them. Now that I think back, he must not have liked babysitting for us. *hhmmm*
Name: Cappaucino
Comment: musbdherbs - We have to call it like we see it, we need to start speaking the truth. What Al does affects us globally and the world projects his interest as our own...So he needs to man up and be a representative or sit down. He has got to be real!
Name: YLawdY
Comment: musbdherbs ....Since she gets so much respect, how bout her trying to make a difference where she is?
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: I'm more concerned about the fact that queenie is getting her information about blacks people offa the news. I was like whaaa? Anyhow, I Live in Takoma Park/Silver spring, never have a problem with the kids around there and there are PLENTY of blacks and latinos. They are typically perfectly nice although rambunctious and I don't even like kids, teens, tweens, none of that. There have always been out of control kids in the community...I'm not denying that some things have worsened but there have also been improvements. These queeniebunz/bill cosby types are lil too comfortable lumping everyone together without giving further review.
Name: dakoolestkat
Comment: As a southern boy let me chime in on the Karo syrup(the white, clear syrup). I thought that's what you use when making a pecan pie or something like that? You can also use it when making "popcorn balls"..maybe a fellow southerner can help me testify on that one.
Name: McNasty
Comment: MsVanese you actually have to be plugged into more than someone's as.s or rap/hip hop.
Name: Cappaucino
Comment: ok musbdherbs I live and work in a diverse crowd I next to NY and commute by train. I see millions of wanna be rappers and ball players with their pants hangin down, big chains and a mouth full of minerals. Your blind if you think other races live on TV like blacks, which have been studied and confirmed as the biggest (consumers) in the world, another proof of too much TV. I am on the side of Bill Cosby I am sick of this ghetto ignorant mentality.. Don't need it
Name: MsVanese
Comment: YLY: uh, lookin' at some of these posts, never mind *whistling to myself* EURWEB needs an overhaul
Name: MsVanese
Comment: McNasty-clueless about what you mean, but hey *shrugging shoulders*
Name: YLawdY
Comment: Karo also comes in brown in addition to the clear. There was a red label and a blue label. The trauma!!!
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: Cappacucino, europreans acting like Gun N Roses and Aerosmith, what do you mean by that, europeans don't do drugs excessive alcohol, O.D. on drugs and engage in promisciuos sex? You are sooo right, europeans don't do that at all. Actually impressiable kids of all races can imitate their favorite artist if left to their own devices that's why it all the things that are seem should be counter balanced by PARENTS! We can debate on how bad an influence rap does or does not have but the bottom line is that many of the parents stopped taking control that is why we are in the advanced state of decay we are in now, not specifically rap. Poorly raised children and children who reject their upbringing have always acted out,we need to go bigger than just blaming a music genre to solve those issues. Additionally regardless of how true a posters statement may be calling someone out of their name or descibing their actions in derogatory terms still is not the way to have a healthy dialog.
Name: MsVanese
Comment: and ghetto ignorance has been going on long before hip-hop. i am just grateful that i didn't let my childhood dictate my adulthood or i would be past a mess.
Name: MsVanese
Comment: ^5 Sweetie Darlin straight to the point
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Capp< how is pants hanging down and chains swinging any different than bell bottoms and platforms and big azz afros. These are style choices. You need to talk to me about behavior. Until you get a job with a dresscode, I think children should be able to enjoy dressing how they want within reason. Plus my grandma had a gold tooth.
Name: Cappaucino
Comment: Ok SweetieDarlin I got 3 questions 1) Who is killing each other at a high rate? 2) What Rock n Roll groups are bragging about shooting people and selling drugs? 3) Have you ever seen a 40 year old white male with grey hair corn rows and timberlands and big gold chain?
Name: diamondlady
Comment: Like him, love him or leave him alone. Why are we the people who tear each other down when we dissagree? too much in house vs outhouse Knee Grows! Gosh! We the only ones shouting out and disrespecting our women on the airwaves and making it a money making hit. Even worse the women agree and sing along. Dang! if you don't agree with your brother or sister - still represent a united front with each other! stop showing the real enemy how he can infiltrate and destroy!!!
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: MUSB: Yes, I used Karo on pancakes! When I was a child and I'd visit Gra'mama, that's all she had in the house, lol! I'd ask Gra'ma, "Gra'mama, can I have some syrup for my pancakes/french toast"? And she'd gimme that brown tinted castor oil...er...I mean Karo! I think I was about 4 or 5 when I wised up. I was in the supermarket with my mother (who used to buy that mess too) when I saw the many alternatives to KAstoROil and I haven't looked back since. LMBAO @ all the Karo comments!
Name: Cappaucino
Comment: Lol @ gold tooth, well seriously I think we are in trouble as a race, the situation is dire.
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: Cappacuno, we were killing each other at a higher rate since the early late 60s, 70s when gang activity/violence became more prevelant, that's before rap. As far as 40 year old men dressing like rappers, there have always been fashion challenged people well before rap, heck a whole generation in the 60s and 70s dressed like all their favorite artists, my point continues to be that we have been in trouble for quite some time, well before rap existed, so it is not going to get us anywhere to put the blame on a music genre. You are implying that for black people parents and other positive role model/mentors have absolutely no influence on children today as they are so easily lead that a Rapper can cause them to change their goals and ideas or keep them from doing the right thing because of lyrics. WOW!
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: ImJustAsking: I 110% respect your opinion about kids bein' able to dress how they want. But if my daughter (she's only 3 now, but when she's older) EVER tries to leave the house lookin' like some Britney, Lindsay, Paris, et al, I'ma gonna hurt her. If I should have another child and it's a boy and he wants to walk around w/ his pants hangin' low, drawers on display and a doo rag a' la the prison inmates, I'ma gonna hurt him. I respect my children having their own style, but it better be a style that represents this family in a positive light. When I see these kids with the doo rags, I just wanna wring their l'il necks...and their parents' necks, lol.
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: Another thing, Jefferson Airplane, Rolling Stone, the Grateful Dead and Steely Dan all have drug references in their songs and encourage drug usage. BTW to really understand your question/point since there are lyrics about shooting people that's when shooting people started? WOW, I must have dreamed about the news stories in the 60s and 70s about people shooting each other and people dying due to gang violence...Another thing KRS1 who is considered a positive rapper talked about shooting people in his songs, that was early 90s, late 80s, before hip-hop allegedly died.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: YLAWLD..oh LAWD! Are you serious. I'm w/dakoolest on this one. I thought that people only used it for pies and shyt. Well my aunt really did make a karo syrup sticky glaze for her candy(not candied) yams. You can imagine what it tasted like...lol IJA...RIGHT ON! Cappa...I see the same things. The difference for "me" is that I don't automatically azzume that people who dress that way are ignorant, lawless and ghetto. In my effort to be free, I generally will object to judging people according to how they look/dress and sometimes act. That is not my place and in the scheme of things me "complaining" about it doesn't correct the problem. My mother hated when I got my ear pierced. She thought hell was coming to an end but I was grown and did it anyway. Now I have two..lol There is def a negative culture which should be reigned in. I don't think anyone on this board would (and haven't) disagree w/the things we MUST do to correct a social ill. But many elitists and classists believe that the problem ONLY exists outside of themselves. That's where "I" come in. More importantly I believe that the battle will be won when people on both sides are able to come to the table in the spirit of progression, understanding, and respect. That's where people like "me" come in. It will not be won by those who simply choose to call other folk ghetto, coons, minstrels etc. Those people will ONLY appeal to the choir who listens and not reach the masses. People like "me" recognize that. I have taken my side and I know that someone is looking down w/a smile for me doing it. So, if you think that constantly berating/disrespecting someone for doing things you don't agree w/is helpful, then by all means continue. "I" have chosen another path. If you can't respect that your whole perspective is whack..mabye you'll love me when I fade to black.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: KATT..then you SHOULD beat her AZZ. That's the key, children aren't buying clothes for themselves. My mother didn't allow it and I wouldn't either.
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: katgrrrl< that's why I said they should be able to dress how they want WITHIN REASON. Damn, I tol' Musb, y'all don't read our posts. I knew I was right lol. And what's wrong with a do rag? There's a time and place for everything, kids shouldn't have to button their identities down before they have to. It's hard enough to do it as an adult. Just b/c you all associate certain ways of dress with a certain mentality doesn't make it so.
Name: McNasty
Comment: 'More importantly I believe that the battle will be won when people on both sides are able to come to the table in the spirit of progression, understanding, and respect.' SAY IT AGAIN Musb, say it again.
Name: TesticAl
Comment: IJA, you got it, I will de Americanize myslef. LMFAO! Herbs my man, I am oblivious to karo syrup. I'ma have to ask moms about that one. Pecan pie? Never had it before. I've had bean and sweet potato, but not pecan. YLawdY, I am originally from the USA, my parents aren't from here. LOL! You guys have me feeling like an alien around here. LOL! Oh, IJA and I don't need a room. This will be live on camera for you all to see...FREE!
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Free? *mean muggin' TesticAL*
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: IJA: Nah, I read your last post as I did this one. What's "within reason" can mean different things to different people. You might not have a problem with kids wearin' doo rags. My son could wear one TO BED and AROUND THE HOUSE, but personally, I'd have a problem with him wearing one in the street. That's ME. You don't have to agree and no where in my post (speakin' of reading...) did I say that my associating a certain way of dressing with a certain mentality makes it so. Did I not say that I respect your opinion? I'll give you a minute to scroll up and re-read. I'm just sharing my own. Peacefully, or so I thought.
Name: TesticAl
Comment: LOL @ IJA!
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: katgrrr< I wasn't disrespectful to you, I just thought that if you saw the words "within reason" you wouldn't have felt the need to tell me what you would and wouldn't allow your kids to wear. *shrugs shoulders* Obviously, it's a subjective term.
Name: dakoolestkat
Comment: To TeSTIcal---Never had a PECAN PIE?? You might want to google it just too see what one looks like..lol. Man you get a slice of that with some ice cream...it will make your girl give you something **RAW**...lmao
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: IJA: I WAS JUST MAKIN' CONVERSATION! DAYUM! From this point on, believe me, I won't feel the need to converse with ya. Peace, God Bless and have a nice life. Sheeesh!
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Katt..so in sum, you don't disagree w/what IJA said about dressing w/in reason. Realistically, "w/in reason" denotes some'n different for different folks. I wouldn't allow my son to wear pants hanging BELOW his azz but I would give him a lil hang time depending on his age. This all falls within the "w/in reason" comment IJA originally made. AL..ok...we go haft to southernize u up in this camp. You all up in here talking about having bean pies and no pecan pies. We go haft to take yo American card back for that shyt. Black card, American cards...let's make some loot homie!!! Katgrr..don't trade places w/Ms. Celie now. You and IJA were on the same page just arrived at different points. No need to cut nobody off. *look at me being a damn mediator*..I'm gone the fk outta here and bout to take my ignint, idiotic, poor, ain't raised right, ghetto azz home and SMOKE some'n fool!
Name: Cappaucino
Comment: SweetieDarlin it's all love :0)
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: DB has said the same kind of criticism before about A Sharpton & the other SO CALLED leaders BUT in a MORE APPROPRIATE FASHION!! It just FIGURES they would make THIS STATEMENT the one they focus on!! I DO agree with his opinion of WHY we are WHERE we are & I think rather than critique someone for why or how someone falls...We should be MORE concerned with....Who pushed him!!!
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: Musb: ain't that what I just said? within reason is different for different ppl., yesssss, that's what I said! I know, cos I was there when I said it, lol. I was just responding to IJA, makin' conversation... If pants hangin' low and a doo rag is cool with her, God bless her. Scroll up and check where I said that I respect her opinion... Go'head... Scroll, brother! I never said that it's my way or the highway, my way is the right way or any schitt like that. I said I wouldn't allow MY chi'ren to dress like that. That's ME. If that makes me uppity, so be it *tossin' nose and pinky in the air* <> It's 5 o'clock y'all, God bless n' have a good evening. I'm out! :)
Name: TesticAl
Comment: dakoolestkat, I have never had it. I know what it looks like. I should get some one of these days. Since you said it is going to get me some RAW, I'm going to get some today! LOL! Herbs, shut up! Nigguh talking about taking my American card. LMAO! Fasho we are going to make that money. I live in LA, we would sell those American and Black cards so fast. All we would have to do is go downtown. We wouldn't be there one hour. LMMFAO!
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: Cappuacino> Cool, nice talking to you!
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: I know I am talking to myself but excuse me I just read all of the post! QueenieBunz you were a major insulting roll today. While you were raised in your proper household didn't your mother tell you about making sweeping generalizations? To wit: I am a Baby Boomer and so are all of my friends, none of them raised their children to be their friends and did teach their children respect, hard work and morality. There are people who make poor choices due to lack of parental guidance or simply of their own volition and that has been going on long before your 34 year self was born. Additionally something else all of your experience and proper raising should have been taught, it is poor form to call anyone out of their name or questions their upbringing simply because they have a difference of opinion. As an older person I am surprised and disappointed in the way you conducted yourself, your points were diminished because you chose the low road in make disparaging comments about other posters.
Name: deedeeVon
Comment: MUSB and IJA both commented that their mommas cussed profusely. Maybe that's reason for their ignorance. Like YLawdY said, both of you SHUT THE Fu@K UP wit your IGNANT A$$ES!
Name: gsmooth
Comment: i can t understand why people always talk about rappers giving back they give back to the people they pimp a trip to great adventure and turkeys ain t sxxx it s al and jesse fault .BLK folk will always be slaves to the celebrity rappers care abut one thing record sales .Wake up
Name: McNasty
Comment: MsVanese it was in reference to your post about how many posts this article received as opposed to the others you mentioned. Some are just not plugged into the world outside rap.
Name: angeandre4
Comment: although the letter hit many good points which I do agree with, 2 wrongs do not make a right. We all realize that since MLK there has been no one to really speak out on behalf of the people unless it is controversial. But then where does that put these rappers who are spewing out so much hate and negativit--it makes them just as bad as Sharpton, JJ, Oprah and the rest. If the generation of the past 10 yrs. has done nothing but negativity then where does that leave my children who are growing up in this war zone that was seen coming way before the rappers came to view,but blaming the white man for all that goes wrong in our society needs to stop because its the white world that is helping to support your negative productions, whether it be records, clothing or the like. As blacks we allow ourselves to stay in the slave mentality not the white people. We prefer to wear our pants hanging so that we are shufflin around--selling dope and killin our own and then make excuses for it. You need to be strong within yourself and not put the blame of everything wrong on everyone else. Look in the mirror and see for yourself who you are and how you want to be presented to the world out here, don't let others tell you that this is the way to be. Its a mindset and until you change the way you think about yourself there will be a jail cell set for you.
Back to Top
Click here to post your comments.

Back to the Article » Click Here
...
Home
Return to Top
Back to Top