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Name:
SoopDawwg
Comment: David Banner you are a grown %*$ man peddeling that noonsense to children. You are not a child. You are being called to the carpet,clean your shyt up!
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Luke_Cage
Comment: --"We didn’t invent the term pimps, pushers, hoes, tricks, doobies, nigga’s and gangsta’s. Hip Hop didn’t create that. Those words were left here for us to use by you guys, your generation. This life we are continuing to live was handed to us by the people before us who didn’t do much to clean it up."-- Okay David. I hear where you are coming from man, BUT someone's got to put an end to it. Some one has got to step up and say, enough is enough. Assuming what you are saying is fact (and yes, those words were there well before his generation was born, hell even before mine was born too and I'm old school) isn't there a responsibility to begin to make a change by being the voice of todays youth? Some of the youth don't listen to the Oprahs, and the Sharptons and the Jesses or whoever is bearing the title of "leader" today. They're seen as throwbacks and the older generation that is out of touch with today's teens. But the youth are in touch with the latest rap artists. The fact that those words, phrases, mentalities, etc. were created in the past is besides the point. With change TODAY, those same words and lifestyle do not have to be perpetuated into another generation. The healing can begin now, change can begin now, but someone has got to want to say, lets do this. Lets make it happen. I remember the fantastic record from the 80's called the Message. Grandmaster Flash, Melle Mel and the Furious Five often rapped about the ghetto and harshness of street life and never used "most" (pimps and pushers came up a couple of times but not as glorification) of those words listed above. It can be done. Rappers have got to WANT to do it though. That's the only way it will happen. And the blame is not all on rappers either. But that's another story...
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Olivia
Comment: Too Late Crump, once you have told a man to suck you...It's pretty much done. He is 34 years old, not a child.
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Name:
TRTR
Comment: David, just make the change! It's time! And the question is will be for the better. BTW, the gangsta image was a marketing creation -- nothing more, nothing less. Let it go. It's time. And, please - never, ever - disrespect a Black man who's old enough to be your father by telling him to go down on you. That'll haunt you forever.
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McNasty
Comment: I appreciate that he had enough savvy to come back and clean it up but David Banner is misguided to think any of who he names are our 'leaders'! If he is looking for leadership he needs to look to a higher power - these folks are nothing more than at the forefront making an effort to forge paths for our youth to follow. They have all accomplished something in their lives and are in a position to not only hand it down but to pay it forward. It is up to each individual as to whether or not they choose to follow. As for 'attacking hip hop' again Mr. Banner is off base. The old heads have made some disparaging remarks but this is after they waited so damned long to say anything, and because we didn't say anything rap got foul and the players got the notion that they could say anything without fear of repercussion. The chickens have come home to roost on all of us and it is literally time for those who blast off and have nothing but a negative reaction to the attention rap/hip hop is now getting to come to the conference table. It is time to talk to each other and not at each other through print and in the media - nothing will be accomplished that way. If memory serves me Oprah has had Common and Russell Simmons on at least twice in her own hip hop summit. The females of spellman were there too and in the end even they agreed to meet and discuss what each groups' issues were. The least David Banner could have done, since he took such extreme offense is to have had his people contact Al's people - it would have been a much better conversation between just the two of them. As it is in print - you never get a second chance to make a first impression and anyone who tells you that doesn't matter is just lying to themselves.
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BlkATLTop
Comment: Sounds like he's saying, let's do absolutely nothing until we're all on the same page of the right solution. Give me a break. With rap sales low and folks complaining, y'all messin' with his pay check!
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huey
Comment: messing with his paycheck, please, this dumb azz boy aint got the sense god gave to a billy goat, who cares about his paycheck, he's probably pissing his money away on a used bentley and some grills anyway. im sure he's not putting the money back in the black community.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: you are either part of the problem or part of the solution . . . young AA adults who are athlete and/or entertainment celebrities have to step up their game to embrace the positive by projecting the positive . . . until recent times, AAs celebs did not massively glorify the negative at the behest of the white people paying their salaries even though the negative existed . . . in our media saturated culture everything done by celebs is magnified globally, so the world knows that you, an AA male, disrepected an AA elder male . . . Mr. Banner/Crump, you are challenged to make a positive change and encourage your celeb colleagues to do the same and in that action, you lead without looking to Al, Jesse, Oprah, etc. . . . if it's on your spirit, make a sincere apology to Mr. Sharpton who is due respect even though you don't agree with his tactics and strategies
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Olivia
Comment: "where was your rally when the 3 college students were executed in New Jersey by black men"
What case is he talking about? He just assumed they were black men.
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YLawdY
Comment: Regardless of who created the mess, it's irresponsible to lay back and wait for someone else to fix it. If it is true as Mr. Banner claims that past deficiencies led to this current impasse, doesn't he as well as the "leaders" he called out have a responsibility to make things different rather than just go with the flow?
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PlanetRock
Comment: Actions always speak louder than words. If you talk the talk, you have to walk the walk if you really want to make an impact. If kids are not listening to their "irrelevant elders" and are supposedly paying more attention to a "David Banner," then the buck stops with him and anyone else kids are admiring. "With great power comes great responsibility." People have the right to hold anyone accountable for their actions.
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YLawdY
Comment: "You don’t scold your child in public without fair warning!" Somebody forgot to give my mom this memo. lol
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Name:
YLawdY
Comment: "because you guys DON’T WANT TO REALLY FIX OUR PROBLEMS. " Nobody wants to fix my problems either. Dayum, guess I have to step up and fix them myself. With all the bashing of our "so called leaders" going on, why aren't the dissatisfied stepping up and becoming leaders? You don't need an invitation, you just need committment, desire, dedication and a willingness to sometimes be unpopular, villified, called out your name, told to suck d*ck.......
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ez3372
Comment: Huey-->I don't agree with the way David Banner handled this situation intially. He could have been more tactful about expressing himself. But in his defense, he does do a lot for the Black Community. He's given money to kids to go to college, he was really active in the Hurricane Katrina clean up. He's done a lot of things for his community. His record sales may not be up there with the likes of 50, Kanye, or even Jay-Z, but he's a prolific hip-hop producer. He makes his "ends". Before people start making assumptions about other people, they should do their research first. But one thing I do agree on (and I've said this before he said it) Al Sharpton AND Jesse Jackson are no leaders of mine!
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musbdherbs
Comment: As least we understand (as IJA and I pointed out y'day) the context in which he said this. At least we know he wasn't a formal interview and was an off the cuff remark as was pointed out on y'day. Not that it matters to people who will criticize him neway though. But, now we have some facts. He is absolutely w/in his rights to address the situation. He is absolutely right in calling out Al. He is absolutely right in questioning why Oprah did not have women on her panel who were involved in the promotion of the music we find so objectionable. He is absolutely right in suggesting that is it unfair to put all what's wrong w/young america in the lap of hip-hop. He is absolutely right in suggesting that these problems existed b4 HHop. He is right in suggesting don't go the media w/your problems..sit down at the table w/them and discuss. The most telling part which no anti-hip-hop will even consider is when he said "You are so disconnected from us that we don’t even look at you for guidance. If you really want to change something, start by changing your dialogue. Don’t talk at us, talk to us!" That's real talk whether you like it or not. That's real talk.
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CRENEEJ
Comment: ok, i have to say that yesterday's commments regarding this topic were hilarious and somewhat disturbing.... especially when it got down to insulting parents. personally i agree with what DB said in this letter, and while it was wrong for him to assume that the 3 kids killed in Newark were killed by black men, he is right that there is noone here to protest about it. I live about 10 minutes from where this shooting happened, and have yet to see Rev. Al or Messy Jesse over here to comfort the family or anything like that, but we all know how quick he was to jump on the Sean Bell case. Guess b/c he saw some type of payday coming from that....
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CRENEEJ
Comment: and he brought up a very good point. the generation ahead of mine didn't do enough to continue improving our lives. now i'm not saying that i need and/or want someone to work towards making life better for me and mine, but you do have a responsibility to the people in your neighborhood. it's like we got complacent when they offered us a bone. we need to continue fighting for equality in all aspects. DB is right, if we work to change their circumstances, they won't be able to rap about the same things...
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MsVanese
Comment: *ringing the bell* Let the battle of opinions begin *sitting back today to watch the drama unfold*
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CRENEEJ
Comment: and one more dammm thing before i really start working.... why do people criticize rap music (which i'm not a big fan of, but my hubby loves), and not jump on TV shows like "The Wire".... I guess because one is truly seen as 'for entertainment purposes only', and music is more. i wonder. Idris Elba played 'stringer bell', a known murderer, drug dealer, etc. played a minister in "The Gospel", and a hardworking father in "Daddy's Little Girls". Where was the outrage about what's portrayed on "The Wire"
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NYCsoul
Comment: A couple of points: David Banner did make a good point about some of the criticism of hip hop but after his off the record tirade that got put on blast yesterday, it will get lost. I do agree that the baby boomer generation has created 'some' of this mess by not being pro-active in rap in its infancy. We don't have to like the music but we should have had sense enough to take control of it before it came to this. Now as for his other comments, he's off base. Whether you hate Al Sharpton or not, he has been one of the few to open up his mouth about some of the things that have been going on our community. We don't have to agree with his tactics but at least, he is keeping the issue out there. But when he doesn't respond to a particular issue, then all of a sudden, "He ain't doin nothin". We cannot have it both ways. I have never heard Sharpton nor Jesse or any other speaker, say they are 'leaders' for black people. That is something has put out there by media. If some of our folks find them ineffective then STEP TO THE PLATE. We are very quick to criticize and belittle each other but we OURSELVES don't want to do anything to better our situation. Instead of waiting on those 'out of touch, old timey' leaders like Sharpton and Jackson(as some of these folks like to say) to 'FIX THE PROBLEM' in our communities, David Banner and any other dissatified party need to be 'bout it, 'bout it' and do it themselves.
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huey
Comment: ez3372-, based upon the ignorant statements that this banner boy makes, it certainly leads one like myself to make the assumption that he probably aint doing nothing in the community, hence, i didnt research his philanthropic efforts. that being said, when a boy like banner takes the limited power of his fame and uses it to tear down people of color like oprah, and sharpton and jackson simply because he feels like they are "taking his chedder" or "attacking his line of work", then he is fodder for my non-researched comment simply by virtue of the fact that the banner boy has not done research either (the newark students who were killed by a "black guy", the guy was an illigal imigrant"). in my opinion, the banner boy deserves not one ioda of credit for anything he says, when sharpton has taking a blade to the chest for a cause he beleives in. hence, eff that banner boy and i refuse to research any so called good he has done.
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YLawdY
Comment: I think Rev. Al and Jesse are right to stay away from the Newark shooting. While it is tragic, there is still too much suspect in the crime i.e. allegations of gang involvement with the Hispanic suspects possibly being part of MS-13. Bell, the Jena 6 et al involve institutional issues not individual families grief. If Al and Jesse's role is to provide comfort to families of victims of senseless crime, somebody give them a permanent residence in Philly.
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NYCsoul
Comment: The idea of b's, hos and pimps did not originate with baby boomer generation either. It's dates back to the days of *surprise, surprise* slavery. So let's not let YT off the hook here either. They are the ones promoting and marketing these ideas that these rappers put out. I think Sharpton needs to do what the late C. Delores Tucker did. Take it to the heads of these music conglomerates.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Well Huey that means that you have closed the door on a solution and will continue to be part of the problem. BTW, I could be wrong but haven't you said similar things about Sharpton on this here board? I find it interesting that now people are defending Al Sharpton when I have done that on this baord all along. He can NEVER get a break. But now that someone we don't like is saying some'n against him...now it's "don't talk about Al" Fk outta HERE!
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: And the Jersery murderer was a hispanic who happened to be illegal. He should've been in jail all along but thanks to our court system.....
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NYCsoul
Comment: Now if Sharpton DID show up to show support for the families of those 3 executed college students, some of you would be up in here, accusing him of being a media whore. Sean Bell's family CONTACTED Sharpton and that's how he got involved. It's damn if he do, and damn if he didn't.
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CRENEEJ
Comment: You're right about the Philly thing YLY, and maybe 'comfort' wasn't the right word to have used.... living in this area, i know that a lot of the city politics, social conditions, etc. leave a lot to be desired. A case like this is a chance to bring some of this to the forefront. now yes there more than likely is gang involvement to this, but it is still an opportunity to bring together a community that is determined to take back it's streets. maybe they could get rid of the gangs b/c right now that area is surrounded by them...this case also can serve as a way to clean house in city hall b/c the previous mayor set the stage for this type of behavior....
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: This rascal needs a remedial English class right now.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: You're right NYC. What is unfortunate about the Jersey murders is that it is now a national story because the media has focused on the fact that the killer was an illegal immigrant. B4 then this story got limited if any coverage by the major cable networks. See how the media will sensationalize shyt. It's pathetic.
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: And wouldn't you know that TMZ jumped on the Rev's response and the f-term just as anticipated.
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Name:
ez3372
Comment: Then Huey--> You are definitely one of the people David Banner is addressing. What difference does it make if the guy who killed those kids in Neward were black, white, green, or purple? The fact remains that innocent kids were killed for no good reason. He, like anyone else would, is defending his job and his means of living. I will give him credit for doing what he does for the community because it's more than a lot of people who have SO MUCH TO SAY is doing. He could be doing just what you claimed he was doing...NOTHING. He doesn't owe Al Sharpton ANTHING! Stab wound or not! There are a lot more worthy causes Al can be focusing on than on hip-hop and some lyrics.
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musbdherbs
Comment: ginger..explain what you just said. Is TMZ disagreeing w/AL or his response? And what is the f-term as it relates to this story. I try to keep my gossip/tabloid sites limited to EUR so what's da deal?..lol
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Name:
leeneepoo
Comment: What David said yesterday with his comments he is telling them the same thing on this morning....only with intellect. However, I must agree with him. Al and his entourage is calling the rappers out, but as David stated those terms and conditions began with Al and the gang; meaning all the baby boomers who allowed the defamation of our beautiful women and men to continue. I can not recall I’ll say the “gang banging anti-rappers” i.e. Al and his people; where were they when Pac was out doing his thing? Where was the discord from the “gang banging anti-rappers” doing Pac’s reign. During Pac’s time they were listening to his music; they were shaking their tail feathers (Jessie had a child outside of his marriage) and bobbing their heads to the beat, the rhythm and the rhyme. Its funny how I never heard the “gang banging anti-rappers” make reference to Kel’s music, which is just as suggestive about the H, B, and N words. I guess to them, as long as Kel’s is not a rapper its ok. Granted both parties make accurate points, but who is going to make the first correct step? Al didn’t. He threw stones instead and got all of his homies on board and ran with his “march on rappers antics”. David, TI, even Snoop fought back because a stone was threw at them; and they knew if the stone was thrown at them it was cast among all of their other comrades in the game and that in and of itself was not right. You must call the correct people to the table that you are banishing. Because the “gang banging anti-rappers” don’t like what messages are being sent they believe in their own hype that whatever they say and do is right! Just because you are a certain age it does not mean that you have true and accurate wisdom. These guys are making a living…period. What if common folk or other leaders that do not agree with our “self- appointed leaders” have a march and a ban against them? IMO we do everyday we just don’t have the money or cameras like David said to make our voices heard. But when we do come together as a people with the money and cameras they call us “bucking against the system, oohhh too much money? they must be selling drugs, foolish, common black folk. When the rappers give back to their communities there is no media hype about that. Hey you “gang banging anti-rappers” stop throwing the rocks and hiding your hands when you are called out! Be the leading-men that you guys say that you are and come correct. A real man will confront his opponent first before he talks behind his back and put him on blast.
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BlkATLTop
Comment: Leeneepoo- I don't know where Al and Jesse were during the days of Tupac, but I do recall C. Delores Tucker taking a firm stand against some of the foul lyrics of rap during the 1990s. Then, as now, the messenger became under attack.
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huey
Comment: musbdherbs:, i hear ya, and to answer your question, no, i have never said anything negative towards the soldiers whom have their boots on the pavement for people of color. i was also, saying the same thing you are saying as relates to the newark students who were killed by the hispanic illegal immigrant, we are in agreement. my point was that he was not black as the banner boy suggested.
lastly, in terms of closing the door to a solution, i mentor young black kids and tutor them in math and english since im in the engineering decipline. i figured they could use my help. i also put time in with the so called "at risk kids" in the summer. so i think im putting in time. unlike the banner boy, i dont have money to throw at a those who need help so i put my boots on the pavement for them.
therefore, yes, i do tune out ignorant cuffs who like to draw attention to themselves like the banner boy. for all we know, he is making these ignorant remarks towards soldiers in the name of people of color, to draw attention to himself for the sake of records sales. i dont give him any credit. he dont deserve any.
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katgrrrl
Comment: Musbdherbs: *applauding your first post!!!* <> With all that Banner has said in that letter, I hope HE makes an effort to change the current situation since he has the platform to do so. He doesn't have to wait for Al, Jesse and Oprah (Personally, I think she's a great role model, but a "leader"?) initiate it.
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shell72
Comment: It's a shame an educated black man couldn't find a better way to use his education than to get rich off the destruction of his community. What Mr. Banner and most rappers don't realize is that you reap what you sow in this world. He has the write to make to earn a living, but we have a right to called him out on it. And why is he blaming white folks. Please black men came up with the terms, ho, chickenhead, hoodrat, thick, shorty, dimepiece, trick, and a countless other.
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leeneepoo
Comment: BlkATLTop>>>great point!I remember Delores as well and at that particular time she was the only one who did take a stand. We are now in 2007 and no "self-appointed leader" has done nothing after her until now and they are going about it wrong.
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BlkATLTop
Comment: Just so I understand David's logic, if the past generation screwed up and left crumbs for the current generation, then is the current generation doing anything to prevent this from happening to the next generation? Wouldn't the cycle need to break at some point?
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Name:
shell72
Comment: Akon, Snoop, and Banner, R. Kelly are all over 30. They are too old to be acting like a bunch of horny teen age boys. We need to raise our sons.
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Name:
katgrrrl
Comment: Dag, why did Banner have to assume that the killers of the three young men in NJ were black? :( When did he write that letter? I heard last week that the killers were illegal immigrants from Peru.
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leeneepoo
Comment: BlkATLTop>>>you right again. No one wants to break the cycle they love going around in circles treading their wheels in mud. Each want to be right and make a stand first then let someone else pick up their damaged goods.
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: Those like Banner think nothing of drinking the nectar while pizzing on the heads of black folks. He's going down.
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Name:
shell72
Comment: Here are some prolific words from Tupac
I wonder why we take from our women
Why we rape our women, do we hate our women?
I think it's time to kill for our women
Time to heal our women, be real to our women
And if we don't we'll have a race of babies
That will hate the ladies, that make the babies
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Name:
McNasty
Comment: On some level or another there have been since the inception of rap oldheads making it plain - not loud enough and not consistent enough. A lot of the rappers are kids from those in my generation and in our effort to achieve the amerikkkan dream and provide things and a lifestyle like we didn't have we fell down on the job. Some of us even had the nerve, once the kids were old enough to babysit themselves - we took to the clubs and forgot that the teenage years were not only formative years but important ones too. We all share blame in allowing this situation to spin out of control. Because we agree about that we need to move forward. Musb you were asking about female rappers absence on Oprah's panel and I imagine that there were none because some think its less of a problem them referring to themselves in derogatory than it is for our brothers. Hopefully conversations for understanding will include all of them but we need to stop sitting back pointing all these fingers.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Ok huey gotcha. I wrongly assumed u were one of the many who reguarly criticize Sharpton and blame him for any and every thing. Continue your mentorship cuz that's a gud thing. As for 'this' subject, yes you have closed the door of dialogue. As long as you're preaching to the choir..you should be ok. 'Nas..I was speaking more to the point my homeboy Banner made about the female record/radio/tv execs who have also promoted this music. Not really about female rappers. Oprah made it seem as if 'only' black men are spearheading this when the facts speak differently. Radio One?
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Name:
DrKnowItAll
Comment: It's very obvious most of you replying in here are headline responders. Meaning you see a story and react to that story without much thought to what's going on outside of the words you read. David Banner is one of the most giving rappers in the game. He's donated time and money for afterschool programs, kids centers, reading programs, literacy programs and much more in his hometown of Jackson Mississippi.. my birthplace as well. I know because when I go back to visit my hometown I see it with my own eyes, the rebuilding of homes for single mothers in the gulf coast area of Mississippi that totally gets left off the news.. . I saw David on tv once give a kid the shoes on his feet. He literally took his shoes off and gave em to a Katrina victim-young boy with no shoes. His anger at "black leaders" is justified to me, especially being that he knows he's doing work to try and change a culture that constantly gets bashed by the likes of Bill Cosby, Oprah, and Al Sharpton. David is part of a hip hop community and he's actually doing work, giving back, and he's angry that these so called leaders wipe a broad stroke over the whole genre with negativity. For those that didn't know, David is one of the most intelligent and giving men in the game. Like his comments or not, what he said is true for alot of people.. maybe not you but for alot of people... Don't disregard his words because they don't apply to your world. I don't agree with the fingerpointing but he feels the need to respond and maybe some attention and dialogue will take place.. Maybe kids will see Oprah and David and Snoop and Al on the same stage talking like the intelligent adults they all are.. maybe then kids can equate them to really caring and not just being accusatory and judgemental.
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Name:
McNasty
Comment: Musb I gotcha and you do have a point. Only time will tell but I can see this situation only getting worse because of the posturing.
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Name:
sonnyd
Comment: I watched this whole thing go down yesterday and plan on doing the same today, but I had to throw this out there. People are talking about Al, et al "calling out" the rappers on the language/image subject, but are they really calling them out? Or are they coming off more like the abusive parents that will shout to their children "you ain't s*&-?" Because I'm sure that's how some of these folks take it. In that situation, shouldn't you tell your child, "what you're doing is wrong b/c x,y,z" IN YOUR HOME before you take it out to the streets? Give the warning shot first before jumping on them in public? These are obviously rhetorical questions, but I want to throw the analogy out there. Like Herbs and IJA was saying yesterday, I definitely don't agree with what was said and how. However, you're only going to take so much before you let your feelings about the subject be known....especially when you are a grown a** wo/man. JMO.
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huey
Comment: DrKnowItAll :i will keep that in mind the next time i tutor a your black student. let he or she know that banner not only supplied a kid with the shoes off of his feat but also supplied them with these lyrics to live by.
"Like A Pimp"
(feat. Lil' Flip)
Real girls get down on the flo' on the flo' [3x]
Like a Pimp
Real girls get down on the flo' on the flo' [2x]
Like a pimp
Real girls get down on the flo' on the flo' [2x]
[Lil' Flip]
By the time I hit the door
I saw hoes on the flo'
%*$!(@ dressed in suits
Tricking all dey doe
Me imma pimp
I aint paying for no sex
Man I'd rather buy a car
Or a new rolex
Cause I got street fame
So hoes flock like birds
I got one hoe in the range
And one hoe in the surbs'
When I hit the club
Imma be wit David Banner
A thug %*$ %*$!(
Wit bad table manners
We act bad (my %*$!( what is yall saying)
Like when we walk inside clubs
%*$!(@ hold they gal's hand
Cause they know we run trains (choo choo) all night
How could yo gal leave me
And be wit you all night
But its all right
Cause you know we don't kiss
Like Too $hort said
%*$!(es aint %*$!
I tried to told ya
Dat most girls really freaks
And dis is how they gotta
make they money every week
[Chorus {repeat 4 times}]
Real girls get down on the flo' on the flo' [2x]
Like a pimp
[David Banner]
Step into club looking just like a pimp
We got cash
So we screaming out "shake something %*$!("
This is the song
Tell the DJ put it on
Micheal Tyler made you shake
Sisqo made you show your thong
%*$!( im dead wrong
The playa from the crib
So get out on the flo'
And girl get it how you live
And since you so hot (hot)
%*$! its show yo pussy lips
You go to Tougaloo, but I know you still flip
%*$!( don't trip
Aint a damn thang changed
I still love my queen
But %*$!(es keep me to the game
So if you gotta hoe
Shake em up and let em go uhh
And let them girls get down on the flo' on the flo'
Like a Pimp
[Chorus]
[Lil' Flip]
Now don't you hate them ole'
Lying %*$ hoes
Smiling in your face
Wearing her best friends clothes
I suppose
They like the way me and Banner pimp
You can catch us at Pappa Deauxs
Eating steak and shrimp
[David Banner]
Or you can catch us at E&J's pouring it up
Flip whipping Cali trucks
Guls licking my nuts
We some south side pimps
And we aint giving a %*$!
Poke yo gul up in the throat
And make her swallow the nut
....and on and on
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Name:
FreakyQue2U
Comment: What I want to know is WHERE ARE THE NEW GENERATION LEADERS?? Where are the 21st century Oprah's, Sharpton's,etc. and what are they saying and doing to help lift Black people from the bottom of the economic, academic,political, and social totem pole?? I've heard a couple of rappers knock Oprah about her stance against gangsta rap music,but my thing is until these "street poets" start building communities (like Oprah did in New Orleans building 60 homes in what is called Angel Ave.), opening schools to give our children a real, meaningful education (like Oprah did in South Africa), then sheeeeet, you ain't sayin' nothin' and you damn sure ain't doin' nothin'!! It's easy to throw stones from the sidelines!!
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Huey..lol..Guess what were the predecessors of those horrible lyrics: She's a very kinky girl
The kind you don't take home to mother
She will never let your spirits down
Once you get her off the street, ow girl
She likes the boys in the band
She says that I'm her all-time favorite
When I make my move to her room it's the right time
She's never hard to please
(Refrain)
That girl is pretty wild now
The girl's a super freak
The kind of girl you read about
In new-wave magazine
That girl is pretty kinky
The girl's a super freak
I really love to taste her
Every time we meet
She's all right, she's all right
That girl's all right with me, yeah
She's a super freak, super freak
She's super-freaky, yow
Super freak, super freak
She's a very special girl
The kind of girl you want to know
From her head down to her toenails
Down to her feet, yeah
And she'll wait for me at backstage with her girlfriends
In a limousine
Going back in Chinatown
Three's not a crowd to her, she says
Room 714, I'll be waiting
When I get there she's got incense, wine and candles
It's such a freaky scene
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Name:
Olivia
Comment: Sorry for the Long Post, But…
Question: Do you love black folks more that Hip-Hop? I do and if there is something hurting them from us (blacks) or them... (Whites) we should do something.
We can't say hip hop is influential and then be told that not to critique the type of influence it has. I teach high school, I can tell you it DOES influence. It’s funny how folks bring up Banner’s Philanthropy. I don't think one can feed black folks poison ( Tip Drill a video Banner produced and said he was proud of on Meet the Faith) and than say here's something positive from the poison I gave you.....It's like when drug dealer give out free turkeys at Christmas. Example I grew up on P.E and KRS-One and that influenced me in my love and admiration for black people, which help me go on to receive my degree in African Studies. If most of the music was mostly hoes, ni88as and guns, wouldn’t that have influenced me also? We as adults think music can't influence you, but as a kid it does. It did for me. When Queen said “who you calling a %*$!(" I believed it. Black folks are not immune to environment. A steady diet of anything will influence anyone. Negative Rap is not the single problem, but to say it doesn’t have an impact is naïve. What I never could understand people say the parents, I Totally Agree, but why say and do to make a parent’s job harder. What we forget is WE ARE NOT WHITE. For every negative image of white people on T.V, music & movies there are thousands that counteract those images. I don't want us to ever be like them. I want us to care about our images and determine what is respectful by our standards. Black folks live, breathe music. Our music esp. R&B has influenced every music around the world. If you look at our music historically has ALWAYS reflected our struggles & the way we love and dealt with pain. Remember it was the drums that were banned. Black people need music like we need air and when our music is polluted so becomes those who breathe it.
When did it become a bad thing to challenge black folks to “do better” to be more creative, to widen your vocabulary. Be clear… There are three groups that run this bad rap.....Rappers, Executives (corporations) & White kids and NOT the larger black community. For years rappers have told us (proudly I may add) that most of their fans are white, most “whites buy our music” What do artist do? Give their fans what they want & who are their fans white kids. The black youth is no more than collateral damage.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: OR: Hey, lover, I got a sugarcane
That I wanna lose in you.
Baby can you stand the pain?
Hey, lover, sugar dont you see?
Theres so many things that you do to me
Ooo baby!
All I wanna see is the love in your eyes. (hey, lover)
And all I wanna hear is your sweet love sighs.
All I wanna feel is burning flames.(hey, lover)
Tell me, tell me, baby, that u feel the same.
Tell me that u feel the same way I do.
Tell me that u love me girl.
[wed be so lost, in our mouths, the best, I feel it everyday (every way)
U feel so wrong, be alone, if u just follow somebody someday].
Soft and wet,
Soft and wet.
Soft and wet,
Soft and wet.
Every time Im with you, you just love me to death.
Ooo weee, baby. you leave me without...
Breath! ooo, baby! oooo, yeah.
Youre just as soft as a lion tamed (hey, lover).
Youre just as wet as the evening rain.
How will I take it when you call my name? (hey, lover)
Your love is driving me...
Youre driving me insane.
Crazy, baby,
Oh, girl
Crazy bout your love.
Soft and wet. (u know)
You are soft and wet. (oh, sugar)
Your love is soft and wet.
Soft and wet!
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Name:
ez3372
Comment: I don't know why people take stuff so seriously. It's all entertainment. These rappers are out there to entertain. Don't blame them for what's happening to society, blame these kids parents. They should be monitoring what their kids listen to and if they decide to let them listen to it, explain to them that it's for ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY and not to be taken seriously or followed. If your child is out here being a menace to society, it doesn't have nothing to do with rap lyrics and the use of the words H*, B*tch, or Ni**a!
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Name:
huey
Comment: musbdherbs, isnt it amazing how the lyrics you posted to rick james' "superfreak" went unedited by eur's derogatory word finder, yet that banner boys lyrics are sliced and diesed a couple of dozen times?
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Name:
Olivia
Comment: musbdherbs.....Question was Rick James targeting kids with the Superfreak song? Was Rick James in search of pre-teen fans? I don't think so...there is grown folks music that is SOLD and geared toward GROWN FOLKS..and now it's Grwown Folks Music geared toward kids..See the Differance.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: If Old White America is the problem, then how come they aint writing and rapping about Old White America?
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Name:
huey
Comment: musbdherbs: u may step down from the bench.....the court of public eur opinion finds that banner boy guilty of mind pollution, and should be shot with the bop gun.
i will continue the process of trying to deprogram the minds of the kidz i mentor by pumping contranes " a love supreme" and duke ellingtons "in a sentimental mood" into their heads over and over and over and over and over and over and over.........................
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Oprah a Black leader huh? TThis boy is outta touch......and how many others does he represent?
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Name:
shell72
Comment: We are over looking a much bigger problem and that is why are so many of our black men stuck in a cycle of being a perptuarl teenager. True white and asians kids listen to the music, but they are able to get own with their lives and do what is expected of them as men in their community. Again, Banner and a host of others are too old to act this way. I expect lyrics like these from teen age boys, but not grown men.
Huey's right, Banner's charity works makes the problem worst. Poor kids start to see him as a role model and think it's okay to do the same.
Banner just needs to on up to the problem. Music does influence these kids. Just another day a little said he wanted to be a duffle bag boy like lil wayne. I asked him did he know what's a duffle bag. He said its a dope dealer.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: this is something yo momma and daddy should teach yo stupid azz..."Where areyou leaders at when there’s a need to break down to freshman in college on how not to get caught up with credit cards by singing up for an MBNA card, with high interest rates that eventually screw up your credit and makes it that much harder for you to become a homeowner after you graduate college pending you can find a job in your field after you’ve spent all this money in student loans!"
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Name:
thelildiva4u
Comment: Alright…I think David’s points are surface at best. These same arguments where utilized by Pac when C. Delores Tucker denounced rap. David gets ten points for giving without seeking publicity. But, the reality is OUR COMMUNITIES are going to hell in a hand basket. NYC SOUL…is right about the continued hypocrisy that we give Al and Jesse. They are damned if the do damned if they don’t. The whole Baby Boomer generation argument has holes. For the most part this generations, which ranges from 55-65 yrs old, should bear the brunt on my stuff is messed up. We have the crack epidemic, continued policies that we get the short end of the stick of, break-down of the family etc… David’s use of the financial literacy is bull. There have been thousands of programs giving out info for years, but like David’s gift giving doesn’t get PR nor do this programs.
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Name:
YLawdY
Comment: LOL @ khufu...can't put it any plainer than that.
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Name:
thelildiva4u
Comment: One last point…if you ever listen to the Geico commercial the one with the caveman ina CNN type of interview. The women in commercial makes a point and if you ever listen it’s a good one “We live in a society where the individual ego and the group dynamic is in constant struggle." If doesn’t say it all for the AA community I don’t know what does!
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Name:
TGen
Comment: Wow, I don't know where to start. Huey and Olivia, EXCELLENT posts! I especially liked your combat to DrKnowItAll, huey, touche. On Banner, I hate to say it, I really don't like the word, but the first thing that came to mind after I read that looong letter was "what a loser, there is no way this guy has a master's degree, sorry." I know, that's mean of me, huh? *Shrug* Just being honest. BllAtlTop, you ask about Banner's logic, well when you find it, please share, lol...cuz his expose was filled with mis-directed blame, pathetic whining, misinformation, and poorly-drawn conlcusions. I have to say that before yesterday I thought he was one of the "intelligent" ones (rappers), despite his edgy lyrics. I knew of his philanthropy and thought he was one of the few who "gets it." Today I'm more convinced I was wrong. He sounds like a pathetic fool, unable to link the powerful medium he calls a career with its direct impact on lives en masse. He and others with such flawed vision are myopic and dangerous. It's scary to think people so (mentally) limited are given such a powerful platform (media) to further their ignorance--even if their sincere intentions are not negative...which I think is the category Banner would fall under. Hopefully one day he'll see the light... *Sigh*
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Uhm..Olivia..uhm..Can you point to ANY artist who has suggested that their music is for kids? Can point to ANYthing which would remotely suggest that these artists want their audience to be kids? Blame the industry not the artist. I didn't know who or what the lyrics "let me see shake that thang, pop that puzzy doo-doo brown" were geared too BUT my teenage azz listened to it. Considering that I couldn't listen to it in my home, I didn't think it was geared towards me. Oh well such is life. I'll leave the board to you stagnant negroes who only want to hear yourselves speak. At the end of the day, the answer is what? Just another day of attacking instead of dealing w/a problem. You know what they say about n1ggas.
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Name:
DonJuan
Comment: Well done Mr. Crump. Spoken like true IDIOT!
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Name:
CRENEEJ
Comment: I agree with musb on this one... the songs are being marketed to a younger generation, but not necessarily written for it. personally, i don't like rap all that much, but i'm forced to listen when in the car with the hubby. all i can say is that i blame the parents for allowing their kids to listen to it and watch the videos, and b4 people here get all up in arms about it, let's just be real.... u can block certain channels on your TV's, and really put the smackdown on your kids for going against it. i teach sunday school, and the kids in my classes (ages 10-13) come to church singing some of these songs. I would never have dared that in my wildest dreams, and still don't do it now. I just really feel that David Banner made some very good points, and people do need to take notice of it. His first delivery left a lot to be desired, but we can't get lost in the delivery and not acknowledge the message.
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Name:
Olivia
Comment: musbdherbs *****
Oh don't whole people responsible for what comes out of their own mouth.. Last week I wanted to call my principal a nasty name..…Can I whole the Department of Education responsible?… According to you I can. Thanks… Rick James was not on Teen Summit either singing Super freak. It’s sad that grown people like you can’t seem to know that difference between what is appropriate for Adults and teen’s sounds like your parents didn’t know either.
HEY Musbdherbs here’s your Freedoms Papers!!! Because white people tell you to do it, does not mean you have …Oh you still call black folks Ni999as
Message Are you from the 17th century, still calling black people ni99ers?
Write 1000x’s
Ni99as are like Sasquatch ……they don’t exist Ni99as are like Sasquatch ……they don’t exist
Ni99as are like Sasquatch ……they don’t exist
Ni99as are like Sasquatch ……they don’t exist
Ni99as are like Sasquatch ……they don’t exist
Ni99as are like Sasquatch ……they don’t exist
Ni99as are like Sasquatch ……they don’t exist
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Name:
MsVanese
Comment: Hmmm, so while attacking hiphop, shouldn't we also be attacking those stupid azz shows that glorify the same ignorance? Flavor of love; FOL-Charm School; Take the Cake (at least speak proper english people); College Hill. Where is the educational rogramming? The quality of TV is not helping our youth either. We can't stop at the music.
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Name:
najab
Comment: Oliva, if I am to believe you are in the educational system, I would like to believe you know when to use 'hold' versus 'whole'.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: ROTFLMAO@Najab!
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Name:
Olivia
Comment: najab
Yeah I made a mistake..I meant hold..but I have no issue saying I made a mistake...it happens
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Name:
Olivia
Comment: najab I am glad to see that's all you got from the post. If that was meant to make me feel bad, not quite.
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Name:
indipindintthnkr
Comment: I agree 100% TGen,
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Name:
MistaO
Comment: To be honest, all of this is a whole bunch of malarkey! Seriously, we tend to view "our" problems as insurmountable, but they are not. Simply put, until we decide that raising families INTACT, nothing is going to change for us on the whole. Just think of how many of our issues would be abated if at least 90% of Black households had a Mother AND Father at home? Hmmmmm, I wonder...
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Name:
Timolyn
Comment: I have yet to read the article, but I assuming DB or his camp read everyones post yesterday. I see it got his attention. I predict 200 posts by 2:00pm.
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Name:
najab
Comment: Olivia, that was not meant to make you feel bad, I was confused at what you were trying to say. And by the way, did you noticed I spelt your name incorrectly in the first post?
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Name:
katgrrrl
Comment: OLIVIA & MUSB, you both have excellent arguments; I ain't just talkin' about today either. I may not always agree, but I love seein' what y'all have to say. C'mon into the conference room and have a seat a the the Peace Table. Grab a Snapple, a Pepsi or some Vitamin Water. We also have some Poland Spring. There's a menu if you two would like something to order a little sumthin'. (Don't worry, it's on me.) Now MUSB, you didn't have to call Olivia a "stagnant negro" and OLIVIA, you didn't hafta bring his parents into it... (Oh no, can we please leave the poor parents out of it today, lol!?) Y'all are both mature. I'm sure y'all can handle this tactfully. Maybe y'all are just hungry. Order some food and work it out when ya bellies are full and everybody's happy. :)
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Name:
Sexee
Comment: I haven't taken the time to read the "open letter" judgign from the beginning it sounds like foolery. It baffles me that our black men can go to great lengths to justify their hypocrisy (many are studio gangsters and great pretenders)and not stand in the gap for our children! David get you some business! We all know what time it is and it's publicity time, loser!
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Name:
dakoolestkat
Comment: **Blows a kiss to katgrlll**..I always love your sense of humor...but anyway I agree with musbdherbs on the fact no artist specifically says "these lyrics are just for the kids" or "these lyrices are just for the adults." Their target is anybody and everybody that is willing to fatten their pockets.
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Name:
katgrrrl
Comment: shell72: You have some interesting points. "...why are so many of our black men stuck in a cycle of being a perptual teenager?" Million dollah question! "True white and asians kids listen to the music, but they are able to get own with their lives and do what is expected of them as men in their community." They can take it for what it is, entertainment. They're listening to the music, but they're NOT living the life. Why can't some of(not all, cos some actually can think for themselves) our kids separate the two?
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Name:
YLawdY
Comment: "an open letter from the rapper that is said to have been written before his public comments about Sharpton, yet not released until now. " Guess he was waiting for the right moment to send it to EUR, like right after reading yesterday's EUR!
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Name:
HarrisThomas
Comment: DrKnowItAll>>based on your comments, I'd say Banner/Crump is totally conflicted . . . huey and musb provides us with hip-hop lyrics a.s.s.ociated with this kind and generous individual and the lyrics illustrate Olivia's points as well as my own about media magnification of what our celebs produce . . . we are just asking Banner to check "The Man in the Mirror (still good music and lyrics even if the artist lives in a parallel universe)
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Name:
fidla61
Comment: Name: TRTR Comment: David, just make the change! It's time! And the question is will be for the better. BTW, the gangsta image was a marketing creation -- nothing more, nothing less. Let it go. It's time. And, please - never, ever - disrespect a Black man who's old enough to be your father by telling him to go down on you. That'll haunt you forever.
I second that!
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Name:
HarrisThomas
Comment: CRENEEJ, you mentioned the uproar over negative lyrics that does not carry over to shows like "The Wire" . . . you can expect college courses that dissect the dynamics portrayed in "The Wire" . . . "The Wire" does not glamorize drug and death dealing nor any of the associated negativity, it simply shows the impact on a segment of the AA community and how the community handles or does not handle the unintended consequences, further, "The Wire" details complicity for the total mess which is shared by blacks, whites, politicians, schools, parents, churches, etc.
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Name:
ImJustAsking
Comment: OMG I GOT IN! I GOT IN! Anyhow, someone said that Al and Jesse were one of the first to open their mouths about our issues...ahh no. There are too may black people talking about our issues to count, Al and Jesse just know how to get on TV. I'm not discounting their accomplishments but let's not go too far. But this just brings to mind, the idea of black leadership. Musb and I have talked about this in the past...do we need black leadership? what is it? IMO, the answers to ALL OF BLACK AMERICA'S problems lie on K street. We are the biggest group that considers itself a community without a national organization on K street. The world is in lobbyist hands...why don't we own any Congresspeople or Senators? We can barely rely on black representatives to vote the right way! We should be taking our gold chain money and buying off Congress. And I am DEAD AZZ serious. I was a media director for a lobbyist, it's the only way to get sh!t done in this society. The old school way of 'talking' it out and making coherent arguments doesn't work anymore. If it did, Al Sharpton would be President based on his performance in the debates.
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Name:
Marlin
Comment: i agree with david banner.
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Name:
TGen
Comment: Marlin, you agree that entertainment has absolutely no bearing on society? What part do you agree with? Just curious...
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Name:
Cappaucino
Comment: Lawd Lawd Lawd! How can a 34 yo man refer to himself as a KID? Who the hell left the gate open? What!? I am speechless; also Mr Banner, the word is refuge not refugee :0)
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Name:
HarrisThomas
Comment: IJA>>you are laser-sharp on the lobbyist observation, howevah, we would have to coalesce around some issues if we gon pay lobbyists to represent us and those folk would most definitely be speaking for us
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Name:
HarrisThomas
Comment: Cappaucino, it's not just Banner, at present our youth-based society has arrested development: 60 is the new 50, 50 is the new 40, and so on until 20 is the new _ {does a 20-year-old really wanted to be seen as the new 10?)
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Name:
ImJustAsking
Comment: huey< I don't like the way you keep referring to Banner as "boy." Are you an older white gentleman? *eyes huey suspiciously*
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Name:
ImJustAsking
Comment: harris< the trick to lobbying is to not cover every issue. That's one of my main issues with jackson and sharpton, they try to go after every little thing and never see anything through! They issue hop. When you work for a lobbying firm you keep you expertise limited to a few issues. My idea for a black lobbying firm would focus on parity for public education funding and nationalized healthcare as primary issues with some emphasis on labor (not sure what). If you were able to send every black person to a good public school and make sure they could see the Dr. when they need to alot of this other stuff would fall into place. There was a special on 20/20 about a girl who went to an Ivy league college and then spent time teaching in the inner city. She was SO FRUSTRATED with the behavior of the children she was thinking of them in her mind as incorriable products of the ghetto...but then she began to look in to each and every child's home situation and what she saw was that EVERY..SINGLE.. child had a story. many of their parents work physically ill and unable to work, others were mentally ill, and still others had not had education past the 7th or 8th grade. That's why it always surprises me that someone who has a degree in education like Bill Cosby does not realize that a child's performance in school is directly related to their homelife, and that bad homelives are not so easy boiled down to parents that don't care. Other issues are at play. And we need to lobby for the top of the umbrella issues that trickle their way down to solving other things that we won't agree on as a community such as whether or not rappers should use curse words.
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Name:
huey
Comment: ImJustAsking:, it does not matter to me what u like on dont like in my comments, alas i will answer u anyway. no, im consider myself a black revolutionary and a concerned deciple of the brothers and sisters who fight/fought the good fight, ala angela davis, el hajj malik el shabazz,fanny lou hammer, elija muhammad, dr.king, medgar, etc etc. hence i refer to this so called banner as a boy because that is the way he presents himself as he walks through the door, direspecting his elders. he does not deserve the moniker of "man".
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Name:
HarrisThomas
Comment: huey, too many AAs wouldn't recognize the names and contributions of the revered ancestors on your list or understand why those ancestors are shaking their heads sadly at some of our behavior
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Name:
khufu
Comment: What can they do
to you? Whatever they want.
They can set you up, they can
bust you, they can break
your fingers, they can
burn your brain with electricity,
blur you with drugs till you
can t walk, can’t remember, they can
take your child, wall up
your lover. They can do anything
you can’t blame them
from doing. How can you stop
them? Alone, you can fight,
you can refuse, you can
take what revenge you can
but they roll over you.
But two people fighting
back to back can cut through
a mob, a snake-dancing file
can break a cordon, an army
can meet an army.
Two people can keep each other
sane, can give support, conviction,
love, massage, hope, sex.
Three people are a delegation,
a committee, a wedge. With four
you can play bridge and start
an organization. With six
you can rent a whole house,
eat pie for dinner with no
seconds, and hold a fundraising party.
A dozen make a demonstration.
A hundred fill a hall.
A thousand have solidarity and your own newsletter;
ten thousand, power and your own paper;
a hundred thousand, your own media;
ten million, your own country.
It goes on one at a time,
it starts when you care
to act, it starts when you do
it again after they said no,
it starts when you say We
and know who you mean, and each
day you mean one more.
Marge Piercy
Recited by Bill Moyers’ in a Speech at the National Conference for Media Reform on January 12, 2007
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Black boys are caught up in the teenage cycle because their Black predecessors failed them...failed to teach them how to be men...failed to establish, develop, sustain and/or perpetuate man-making institutions......
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Name:
Marlin
Comment: if you do not see what he does as art, then you guys are a lost cause. wether you nimrods agree or not with the lyrics. no one is approaching marilyn manson about his hitler collection or his dead chinese girl's skeleton. black people need to look at the big picture. are we always going to have to keep worrying about what 'others' think or are we going to constantly check and balance ourselves in the public eye? lil' kim has every right to be a slut like pam anderson. Banner, 50, bun b can call that trick a trick just like Chef Ramsey called one of his chefs a c&nt! Is it right? NO!!!!!!! Just watch your own d@mn kids and don't expect the world to raise them because trust, it will keep getting worse. That being said, all of this back and forth is just another example of division for US.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: IJA...oh please what you are talking about is visionary-type stuff. Black people don't seem to be interested in that. We seem to want to be told what to do and how to do it. The world of lobbying works exactly how you said. That is a solution. That can answer a whole lotta problems. They represent special interests. If you have money to spend, you can always find a lobbyist willing to fight that cause. If the tennis association can have a lobbying group, why not black folk?...lol I'll tell you why. It's because of what has occured on this board for the last two days. We don't ever want to see the bigger picture. We shy away from doing things that can be considered by mainstream as "focusing on race." The guns are drawn on each side w/no one conceding nething. What's interesting about this is that you have NEVER heard ANYTHING negative about Banner until he made this off the cuff remark to SOHH(of all mediums). Now he's the anti-christ? N1gga please. Harris my 1st/2nd lyric posts were not hip-hop lyrics, they were lines from song by our esteemed legends...Rick James and Prince.
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Name:
katgrrrl
Comment: Dakoolestkat: *dodging the blown kiss, rising out of seat to give dakoolest a big ol' hug* Later for the air kisses, Kool. It ain't like you on a ship sailin' away and I'm standin' on dry land, wavin'. We're both in the room. C'mere, show me some Love! (((HUGS)))
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Name:
SweetieDarlin
Comment: It's unfortunate that Mr. Banner's open letter was not published first before we got the bitter taste from the other comments he made. He has many valid points as I mentioned yesterday unfortunately we such at a crisis level it's easy to point to the easiest targets and say that this particular thing is causing all of the problems. Because Hip-Hop music/culture is the most visible and current thing happening in our communities, the uneasy lyrics make it easy to say YES this is why black folks are having problems. Many of us like easy targets because easy targets don't require very much, simply a recrimation here and there and the job is done, you've chastened the person, told them 'They got to do better' and move on to the next BAD thing black people are doing, without resolving anything. I sound like broken record with this but: We all have to realize it takes all of us to try to work together and fix the problems, blaming and name calling has never done anything but create ill will. BTW MUSBE> You asked has anyone ever said that Hip-Hop was for children YES---ODB said Wu Tang was for the children LOL!
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Name:
ImJustAsking
Comment: Huey< Well since you know so much about the people in your list (who really aren’t that hard to know about b/c all have been covered in the mainstream media) you would know that there were/are STARK contrasts in their ideologies but somehow Angela Davis was able to express her distaste for the chauvinism she thought was promoted by the million man march without calling Elijah Muhammad a boy. Dr. King certainly was able to decline participation in SNCC’s bus ride to MS without referring to Carmichael as a boy. Learning how to differ without being disrespectful is key. Based on your comments, the only thing you've learned from those who came before you were their names. Shoot, we should email A. Davis right now and see what she thinks about Banner’s comments. She’s typically pretty responsive. I bet she won’t repeatedly call him a ‘boy’!
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musbdherbs
Comment: And again David talked real shyt when he said :You are so disconnected from us that we don’t even look at you for guidance. If you really want to change something, start by changing your dialogue. Don’t talk at us, talk to us!" HA! How bout that. That's real talk and u n1ggas can think you are the answer all day long. The fact that hip-hop is a near billion dollar industry and ya'll smart negroes can't figure out how to reach out to these folk and do some'n w/ALL of that money shows you how "non-visionary" these so-called intellectuals are. Instead parsing words over "who did what" you would think these negroes would be gain control of all this money and reinvest it. No, that would take vision and these partisan n1ggas just ain't interested.
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Musb< not to pile on to what Sweetie Darlin said but Tricky Daddy did say he loves the kids lmao!! Anyhow, I totally agree with you, black people and solutions seem to be diametrically opposed. Everytime damn time somebody gets shot, black people get on the radio and say "we need to do show our kids ____, we need to tell our kids___" ahh, no, what you need to do is find a way to fund the operation of an anonymous hotline that can be open at ALL TIMES so that people can call and report information on any crime whenever the mood hits them 24 hours a day. But nooooooooooo that might actually SOLVE something, you know like a crime. Sometimes I think black folk would prefer to have candle light vigils and bring the fried chicken to repass. Drives me nuts. "Raising our kids right" is not a solution. damn.
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musbdherbs
Comment: lol@SD...well ok, I'll give you that. Yes we do like easy targets and now hip-hop is it. IJA...huey calling Banner a boy is no different than Stanley Crouch calling hip-hop artists "clowns." It's no different than many people on here calling other black folk AND AL Sharpton (although he is being elevated for a change) coon, minstrels, etc. The name callers feel as if they are right to do so because they are on the "right side of the issue." You saw how easy it was for ol girl to go off on us (mainly me) on y'day and people defended her doing it. They agreed w/her message so it's ok....you know how it is...
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katgrrrl
Comment: Khufu: Thanks for answerin' the million dollah question! Your check's in the mail. Yup, somebody failed 'em. If more young brothers had someone (Even if it's not the father; doesn't necessarily a man either) to steer them in the right direction... Dr. Ben Carson credits his mother with keeping him and his brother on the path to success (his "extremely acadamically inclined" brother's a manager for Honeywell). They coulda been prime candidates for trouble, but moms (who only had a 3rd grade education herself) wasn't havin' it! Wonderful woman! Sometimes, it's up to the child. Look at (sorry, it's a yt girl) Drew Barrymore. Her mama was takin' her to h'wood parties where she'd do drugs n' drink. Her mama didn't care; mama just wanted to be all up in the glitz. Drew decided one day that she was gonna break away from mama & all of that negativity. I wonder who (cos I know it wasn't mama) helped her to become the successful actor-producer-hippie that she is today? Everybody needs a little push in the right direction.
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Fran
Comment: I think all of the parties involve just want attention...media blitz. AL is going to do anything, Banner is not going to do anything, we are not going to do anything because all of this does not matter. I dont know a person who is truly influenced by rap or the videos. It needs cleaning up, but all of it is entertainment. I went to college and grad school. The day my professor walks in a says, Whatd up b#$%^! and ni###. Now, we have an issue. I am paying for education, not a lesson in hip hop talk. If it is on the bar exam, we have an issue. If it is on my energy bill, car note, then we have an issue. It is not. So everyone kill it. The videos are degrading but if the women dont care it is them. If people want to group me with being gangsta...then that is them. At the end of the day, you are what you are, no excuses. None of these cats are role model. And I think if you had a mil you could shut up everyone them. The world is ruled by money. And whatever makes money is what counts. Until that changes expect this ridiculous back and forth.
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musbdherbs
Comment: LOLOLOLOL@IJA..sho you right! How bout this one as a solution: The black foward-thinking intellects break bread w/these hip-hop mega-millionaires to focus on lobbying to congress to curb the flow of guns and drugs in our communities. The money is there. The interest is there. Will it happen? Fk no! We'd rather point the finger at a segment of our population who have absolutely zero control in bring the guns and shyt there neway. Yeah, lets continue to talk about shyt after the fact. Hell, although my herb man lives in Mitchelville, I would welcome not seeing the drug boyz on the corner everyday..lol
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Musb< I DO know how it is. *sticks hand out and runs down the web boards slappin’ the sh!t out of everyone I don’t agree with* * ends by getting on one knee and telling Musb to break up with his girlfriend and marry me!*
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TGen
Comment: Marlin, it's unfortunate you and people of your ilk don't have broader vision. It's unfortnate that the whole idea of the adage "It takes a village" escapes you. To think that YOU can be the ONLY influence in your child's life is just plain naive. Whether you like it or are willing to admit or not, what you see around you, your environment, helps form you. You can keep your head in the sand if you like, but that idiocy is exactly why Black folks continue to fall behind in ever socioeconomic statistic--a lot of us don't understand the power of image. *Sigh* (Why do I bother to debate this time and time again? Maybe I should just give up...)
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Musb< I do want to start my own lobbying firm...always have. Especially after seening the paper ova paper ova paper my boss was making. And the FIRST thing I would do is ask the athletes and rappers for money and I'm sure they'd be willing to help. But unfortunately when I log on to Eurweb I lose all desire to help these n!ggas.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: SweetieDarlin, I'd still be upset with Banner's Sharpton commentary even if the letter came first because Banner could have shown dignity while frustrated by talking to Sharpton directly (as he says the elders should do) and with respect for Sharpton's elder status . . . Marlin, we acknowledge that art is imitating life is imitating our art and we don't like it AND we don't need examples of how white artists behave to justify our negativity because we want to fix ourselves which is our responsibility . . . musb, please accept an apology: I did not intend to confuse the artists and their genres (help the genre-challenged by giving attribution) . . . DrKnowItAll, I still think that Banner is conflicted
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musbdherbs
Comment: IJA...say that! I know a couple and they gets PAID big time. It's a whole lotta work but damn if you can clear 6 fig's as a 1st year lobbyist..then damn. Are you familiar w/Jarvis Stewart? He's a black guy (I think he's kewl or went to school w/your man H Ford) who started a bi-partisan firm here in DC. I think he has represented clients in both sports and entertainment. He's an arrogant azz but he has a unique vision. You're right tho'...they would be willing to help.
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: IJA> Raising kids right is not a complete solution because it is subjective, what's right to this person may not be right to that person and all kids don't respond the same anyway. Raising kids to coin the current phrase "Above the Influence" is important and it needs to be done by everyone who has positive influence not just mama, daddy, family etc. Talking to younger people and understanding where they are coming from, making their experiences as valid as your experiences. Too many times the biggest complaint is that younger people think older people don't understand because so many of us pretend we were never young, we were born knowing all the whys and wherefores and etc. Teaching them to make good decisions instead of making decisions for them all the time (when they get of decent decision making age that is) is important, and I never thought I would say that because my mother was one you could not ask all the time what she thought of a situation or problems, she would turn the question back to me and ask me how I thought it should go. It used to make me so mad because I was like, heck if I knew why would I be asking? As it turns out there was 'method to the madness' I have great reasoning abilities and can think and approach things at all types of angles, and of course if your thinking was way out in left field, she or my father would guide you to the better choices. Thinking for yourself does makes you less easily influences so that when the derogatory lyrics and images come along, you are not thinking YEAH, let me do that or think that etc. AND IJA and MUSBE> I think you were both raised just fine LOL!
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HarrisThomas
Comment: ImJustAsking >> there's a major concern about the various "stop snitching" campaigns; how does your suggestion for the anonymous hotline break through this particular behavior, especially since high profile celebs go to jail rather than tell
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musbdherbs
Comment: HT..Banner could very well be conflicted. Imagine (on a personal level) providing for your family, providing for your community, being a good father/son/husband/boyfriend, staying out of trouble etc. and being told that you are a detriment to your race and hear people liken you to coons and minstrels. Yeah I can imagine being conflicted and like: "WTF, Here I am doing what everyone tells me I'm supposed to do and now they say that aint' enough" Yeah I can imagine him being conflicted. But, what are we gonna do? Beat the confliction out of him.
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musbdherbs
Comment: HT..that may not "solve" the problem by itself but it can lead to "helping" to decrease the wanton crime and lack of cooperation. It may not be "the" answer but alas it is "an" answer. Knowing our history, us negroes will continue to debate some'n like dat and it'll end up never seeing the light of day.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: we're not beating the confliction out of anybody, musb . . . there are people on this board who have spent the past two days thrashing around this issue without reaching a consensus beyond we agree to disagree . . . I sincerely hope that Banner has been made aware of these discussions and if so, that he has gained some insight into how his generousity of spirit and intention can be trashed in a moment of frustration and unguarded, disrespectful conversation
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ImJustAsking
Comment: harris< you're only a snitch if someone knows you told. Duh! Musb< nooo I will look him up. Do you know the name of his firm? I got really frustrated with the lobbying business b/c I worked for an ideological firm and the hypocrisy was astounding. I would really prefer to work on something issues based if I do return to lobbying because then the personal feelings of those who run the organization don't matter. sweetiedarlin< I agree with you but a lot of black people don't know what subjective means! That's why I feel like if we focused on the bigger issues you wouldn't have black people nit picking on whether or not one parent allows their child to listen to rap or other such things that become inconsequential once larger issues are addressed.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: our awareness is sensitized and the tiniest bit more evolved, so what do we do with it as individuals or as some sort of collective? . . . some of us are already involved in our communities to make change and I pray that others (commenters and lurkers) are encouraged to take action for positive change . . . we won't see massive immediate results but we will take heart in the immediate, small changes
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Name:
eternallife
Comment: Well most items doesn't explicitly state who/what the marketing scheme is. But dang, any person with any ounce of sense would recognize it.
I swear, black folks can be their own worst enemy.
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CRENEEJ
Comment: Harris, I have to say.... I understand what you're saying about "The Wire" but do you really think that most people are watching that as a prevention method? If you're gonna pick on one, then you pick on all? otherwise, what's the point of looking at all rappers as the root of all AA social ills? Also, the real problem is that we have allowed ourselves to be portrayed that way, and have made money off of it. True enough, older music was not so graphic, and there was a way it was presented decently. I just think that this issue goes into politics, but it definitely starts at home.....
Personally, i think that the "stop snitching" campaign would end if we saw stricter penalties for obstruction of justice, especially with celebrities. (since people seem to look at that more). as far as i'm concerned busta rhymes should go under the jail for his actions after the death of his bodyguard, and cam'ron really should sit down as he is irrelevant. even that isn't the root. it starts at home, and to go past that, if we started to demand equality and good explanations I truly believe things would change. Here's a good question? Why is the murder rate in Philadelphia so high, yet they can still advertise for tourists? Couldn't some of that money be better spent improving a school system and programs, so that some of the kids who get caught up in this mess have alternatives. Isn't there a way that some of that money could be given to subsidize the cost of child care so that parents could be home with their children more instead of working 10+ hours a day, just to be able to afford child care??
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: IJA> Absolutely!
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HarrisThomas
Comment: IJA>>you are being loose with the definition of snitch but it's OK, double-Duh! . . . growing up as the oldest child meant that I was relied upon to help my Mom maintain order while she worked two jobs; part of that reliance meant talking to her and telling her how the day went for my sibs and me: did I tell her what my sibs were up to in her absence, yes and by today's definition that would make me a snitch . . . I don't mind sharing information (snitching) whether or not it can be attributed to me
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musbdherbs
Comment: IJA..I just laughed at what you said up ^ bout girlfriend..lol I think it's after his namesake..Stewart Partners or some'n like dat. I know that his firm represents Hidden Beach recordings. HT..so out of all of this discussion..you hope that Banner is the one who see's the light? I think the fact that he issued a statement clarifying the context of his remarks and the subsequent letter acknowledges that already. And I "think" that IJA was answering your question about what to do about the whole stop snitchin phenom that is ever present in our 'hoods. She inferred that since the line would be anonymous hotline, people may be inclined to "start snitching." Therefore potentially solving the problem you raised. "You're only a snitch if somebody know you told ==anonymous hotline.
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Harris< *sighs heavily* I know what snitch means. But people who do not report crimes are worried about the APPEARANCE of being a snitch NOT the actual snitching. It's like talking to a wall. It really is.
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AgentJ
Comment: Sorry DB - just couldn't read the whole rambling rant of yours. Can someone summarize what he said?
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Harristhomas< I'm pretty sure that if you snitched on your bros and sis they weren't going to LITERALLY kill you afterward. This whole anti stop snitchin campaign TOTALLY glosses over the fact that people have a REAL fear of reporting what they've seen to the police! That includes Camron and Busta Rhymes. Whose to say Busta won't get shot at a concert. IN a crowd of people at a club or concert there's a good possibility the person could get away with it. I bet you a million dollars if Busta or anyone else could report a crime with 100% certainty there would be no retaliation they would.
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CRENEEJ
Comment: i don't know about that one IJA.... i hate to say it but that's part of their mentality, and i don't think it's because of a fear of retribution? the way it was explained to me (apparently i was sheltered as a child), you can't tell on people if you were in that life. i think that's ignant as hell, but trust when i say i know people who will sit in a jail cell for a week rather than give up a friend on something minor....
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HarrisThomas
Comment: CRENEEJ>> I don't mind being wrong, but I don't think that "The Wire" is presented as prevention of anything because it's drama, a soap opera loosely based on real events . . . I realize that the issues that ail and plague AAs are many layered and complex, therefore, I have never generalized any of the arts as being the reason that AAs are in the fix that we currently experience . . . there is no one-size fits all fix whether it's money or action because we must function effectively and simultaneously on so many different levels and for so many different causes . . . I live in DC which is always full of tourists and DC/Philly depend upon the income that is gained by having massive numbers of tourists despite the crime in our cities . . . in both cities resources are used to advertise to tourists and to make them feel safe when they visit . . . I bet a fat man against a baby boy that in both cities, the tourists are predominantly white and that those white people rarely stray off the tourist paths to get a glimmer of the conditions for poor, Black residents who are robbing and killing each other . . . again, whatever or however fixes happen, they won't happen because money is thrown in the direction of the problems (to the extent that the cities' governments are willing to throw the money) . . . stay tuned to what happens when DC schools improve and they will 'cause it's part of the plan . . . gotta smile when I talk about The Plan (;-D)
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ImJustAsking
Comment: CreeneeJ< IMO stop snitchin is not a true mentality, it’s a product of trying to save your reputation or trying to pretend that you are ‘hard’ when really you just scared to say what you saw. People portray it as a “code of the streets” but like many other things, it’s a fear based excuse. The Phrase SS was not started by victims it was started by criminals and I believe that regular folk repeat it b/c it makes them feel less guilty about not helping justice be served. I also feel that there is the fear that the police will take the information and prosecute the wrong folks. Either way like I said it’s fear based. Regardless of what people may say, I don’t think anyone really believes information regarding a murder should be withheld. I don’t believe everything people say anyway.
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KILLERMEG
Comment: I dont care what anybody has to say David Banner kicked it on every one of these sorry %*$ people trying to blame the bullsh*t of life on rap! And for the record I agreed with you on yesterday's post ImJustAsking! These people on here are amazing-for lack of better words! And whats with those idiots who felt the need to quote everything people said as if we didnt read it the first time? Someone said it before-these folks on EUR posting have a whole different-and I'll add fake a.s.s life!
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: Actually as IJA mentioned there is a possibility of retribution for 'telling'. There have been instances in Chicago where people trying to stop gang violence by reporting activity to the police and some people were killed, their houses burned down etc. Allowing a person to tell without fearing someone finding out would be one solution. We all need to work on not 'projecting' so much, we often azzume that if it isn't our concern or if it something we would or would not do, everyone feels the same way.
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Grace
Comment: Some of what he's saying is on point. But, it's not necessary to use profanity. I think the reason she didn't have them on there was because of the negrodian that would've took place on her show hence Ice-T and his then girlfriend Darlene.
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CRENEEJ
Comment: my job actually has an anonymous hotline to report things, and it does seem to be working. IJA, I don't believe everything I'm told too, but this one particular case I saw with my own eyes and couldn't believe it. I guess I'm a bit idealistic when it comes to solving these problems. I majored in Urban Planning, and worked in the field for a few years, and then moved on. HT... I have to say that yes, while these cities depend on tourism to generate income, some of that income spent and/or generated could be used for economic development. All, have a great evening!!!!
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HarrisThomas
Comment: actually, I hope that all of us are gaining in understanding and not just grand standing and name calling . . . Banner has been trying to meet a need while making money in a career path that is being reviled which has to be frustrating . . . his recent "outreach" added to the problem . . . this ain't no winner-take-all debate about Banner being a bad guy because we all e have our good selves and our bad selves . . . through these discussions, I think we are looking for a point of agreement or commonality that we can agree to work from . . . snitching or not snitching is a major problem because our communities are less secure based on whether people can safely help solve murder and drug dealing crimes . . . I wonder how many AAs didn't even know the scope of the not snitching problem until 60 Minutes did the Cam'ron segment which included input from a group of teens and young adults (yeah, there are AAs who know or knew nothing of the stop snitching problem)
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TesticAl
Comment: *TA the jerk*Puts on Snowman shirt, watches Nelly's "Tip Drill" video on BET, laces up Jordans, picks up a Black Tail magazine, and opens a new can of Pimp Juice.*TA the jerk*
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musbdherbs
Comment: IJA/SD..in order to solve any problem, we have to attempt to get at its root. The root of problems sometimes require introspection and self-evaluation. Many blacks will have you believe that it is they've due to their success, they no longer have to do that. I know that I will forever have to check myself. HT as a product of the ghetto, I have always known about the snitching policy. We're talking about the growing up in the 80's here. The blind eye to the problem was turned a long time ago w/many people wanting to believe that it didn't exist. Well I can tell u 1st hand that there has been a fear of retribution and a distrust of police. Killing wasn't the norm back then but I knew as a child that if I snitched, I might get my azz beat down. That is real life. Doesn't make "not snitching" right but on a realistic scale..it does matter.
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ImJustAsking
Comment: creenee< whoa whoa I know you are gone but I have heard about these successful hotlines implemented to snitch on your coworkers and I am not a fan! lol I'd be interested to know why yours was set up? I heard some were set up to combat addiction and domestic abuse...
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HarrisThomas
Comment: there will always be *TA the jerk* but one day it will be *TA the jerk* in the corner, in the dark, no profile, party of one
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Also, my mother used to tell me to stop being a tattle tale, this is nothing new in the black community. Now granted, I am still a tattle taler but she did try to knock it out of me. Just didn't work.
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musbdherbs
Comment: LOL@AL...
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Name:
TesticAl
Comment: HarrisThomas, PLEASE EXPLAIN yourself. I would like to know what you meant by your post before I respond.
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ImJustAsking
Comment: *replaces TesticAl's black tail magazine with some real black tail* Only Musb or TesticAl would give a person an opportunity to clarify their comments before they respond.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: agreed, musb . . . my Mom asked me why I wasn't afraid to attend night school during those perilouse times that you mention and I told her it was all in God's hands (it was a tender moment extending beyond these remarks) . . . it's like the civil rights era when people had to stand up to the Klan and were murdered/maimed for doing so . . . if we don't stand up, the criminal win . . . a woman and her family in Baltimore died when her house was fire bombed by drug dealers because she kept reporting them to the police . . . innocent people are dying whether or not they snitch . . . maybe some specific outrage like the one in Newark or in some community that we don't know about today gives strength to people to move beyond the fear
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HarrisThomas
Comment: TesticAl>>like all discussions on these boards, people react to their frames of reference when they read comments . . . I reacted to your comment, now say what you gotta say
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TesticAl
Comment: HarrisThomas, you got it! I will take it that you were getting smart. Good for you, that's what I do on here, get smart. You're basing I will be "in the corner, in the dark, no profile, party of one" based off what I posted on a message board? You cannot be serious. If you are, *shakin' my head* You've been on here for a while. You don't know my place on this board?
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HarrisThomas
Comment: Testi>>no attack on your ego was intended (slowing backing off, leaving the board)
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TesticAl
Comment: HarrisThomas, it's cool dude. I just wanted to know where you were coming from. You see I didn't pop off and curse (blame the rap music) at you like I do at times. LOL! Everything is cool on my end. You don't have to leave. Hell, I'll go to the store for everyone. What do y'all want?
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HarrisThomas
Comment: OK, it's all good . . . ;-D (not a dude, though) . . . I want an ice cold flavored tea . . . peace and blessings
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: And let this be a lesson to you TA! If you had not been listening to that dirty, dirty rap music you wouldn't be in the military, working and completing (or did you graduate can't keep up, I'm old you know) your degree---oops did I make a point?
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TesticAl
Comment: HarrisThomas, my bad. I thought you were a man. In no way did I mean to disrespect you by saying dude. See, I'ma a good boy. I only attack if I'm attack. Be right back with your tea. What brand do you want? I'm only going once. LOL!
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musbdherbs
Comment: HT..I am that way "now" but heck no was I that way back then. Stringer Bell was my neighbor..lol I do have the same "it's in the hand of the most high" about my whereabouts now. I often go running in my current neigborhood and yes many parts of it is seedy. But for whatever strange reason, I've never really been fearful. Well there was this time when I saw these dudes "fighting" and they stopped when I approached. Then I saw that they were only slap-boxing..lol I will say that my black azz is "go" snitch if shyt pops off. B'lee dat! SD..AL is lying his azz off! We know that people who listen to dirty rap music are imbeciles who never see the inside of a college classroom..lol Nah I think he did graduate already tho'...
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TesticAl
Comment: SweetieDarlin, DAMN! YOU REMEMBERED ALL OF THAT? I'm impressed like a muhfuckka. I said that shyt about me a long time ago. I'm still in the military (MARINES STAND UP). I'm just not on active duty any longer. I graduated in 03 with a BA in English communications. Right now I am working on my Master's Degree in Criminal Justice Administration. I will be done in 08. LMAO at you calling yourself old! I like it that you can take jokes. Yes I get your point! *Plays Sweet Black Pussc by Dj Quik*
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musbdherbs
Comment: Al, go pick ya boy up some honey/vanilla "connecticut wrapped" dutches! Preciate dat homie..
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Name:
TesticAl
Comment: Herbs, what up lil'/big homey! We made a killin' on those black cards and porno dvds yesterday! Your cuntree a$$ should have made more money though. Get on your grind nigguh! LOL! You're right though Herbs. People that listen to dirty rap music/gangsta rap will never go to school or be nothing in life. *Lowers head in shame* LMMFAO!
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TesticAl
Comment: Look at this dude Herbs, got me going to the store getting some shyt I know nothing about. I'ma have to go to the "smoke shop" for that. I'ma look like a fool asking for some Connecticut wrapped dutches. Nigg-ers are dumbs out here. They are going to be like "Connecticut"? This is Cali nigguh! LMAO!
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Al is NOT IN NO DAMN school. Quit playin. Anyhow, Testic you know I'm cyber jealous. I bet' not catch you runnin out to get some other bytches tea. I had no idea Harris was a woman.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Ain't shyt lil dude! Hell how a nigguh 'spose to make some real cash when yo mthfkn azz 'cross the street showing the damn pornos on that stupid azz black & white dial TV w/them shitty azz foil-tipped antennas. WTF? That ain't how we do shyt in the US you damn illegal alien!...lol Oh shyt, I 4got u don't smoke worth a damn..GIVE ME BACK MY 5 DOLLARS b4 u go get some stale azz dutches! *snatches cash from AL*
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TesticAl
Comment: IJA, LMAO at you saying I'm not in school. Girl you have talked to me on several occasions when I was walking to class! The women this semester are going to be poppin. I plan on poppin' if you know what I mean. LOL! Ohhhh, you called another woman a "bich" on here. It's going to get *Knoc'Turn-AL*SUPER UGLY*Knoc'Turn-Al*
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Name:
TesticAl
Comment: Herbs, LMBAO at you calling me an illegal alien! Youz a fool! You got me on some Gilligan Island type %*$!. Dude I have a portable Panasonic dvd player. Crystal clear screen! Dudes need to see the product they are going to buy. You couldn't sell %*$!.because you had the cards stuffed down yo crotch! Type of salesman are you? Don't be snatchin' from me. You weren't going to get your change back anyway! LOL!
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Name:
ImJustAsking
Comment: Testic< For all I know you could have been walking to get Musb's weed. Shoot.
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Name:
ImJustAsking
Comment: Al< email me at goldenandgorgeous@yahoo.com whenever you get a chance. I don't have your email address.
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Name:
oshun
Comment: wow >>huey: reading those lyrics almost brought tears to my eyes. seeing the words in plain black and white was staggering! and to think they make millions spewing this crass nonesense???
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: You talkin bout that lil old azz 1st generation DVD shyt that you sup'd up? Fk outta here! I ain't fkn w/u nigguh! Next time I'm branging some MD 20/20 jello shots for the ol skool. Bet them shyts sell then. IJA..FK OUTTA HERE! I will not be giving AL NO MO money to buy me SHYT! *grumbling* gave the nigguh money for a dub and his foreign azz comes back w/a damn nick.. FK THAT!
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Name:
TesticAl
Comment: LMMFBAO!
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Name:
CRENEEJ
Comment: Hey IJA, Good Morning All,
Actually the industry that I work in is really big on compliance issues and since the company had been having issues with certain managers, they set up this hotline so that you could report non-compliance without fear of retribution, and it really does work. i know a lot of people who have had bosses from hell, but when it becomes an issue that a person fears for their safety, sometimes it's necessary to snitch. i could really shed some light on some of the stuff that happens in this particular sector of corporate america.
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Name:
DrKnowItAll
Comment: Quoting the lyrics to a particular verse of 1 song is how some of you base your argument?? What about the other songs like "Cadillac on 22's", "Mississippi", I'm very sure you've never heard those songs.. Please, being hypocritical is exactly why hip hop is being blamed for lack of parenting. That's why I applaud David Banner.. His opinion is as warranted as anybody else's.. I don't necessarily agree but it's his right to feel what he feels.. You have to look at the collective works of a person.. 1 verse doesn't make a whole album. 1 argument with your wife doesn't mean automatic divorce. Stop treating rappers like they're supposed to be Jesus Christ. If you want to change the game, become a rapper and preach to kids.. until then, I appreciate the ones that do take time and try to make a difference, even if it isn't in a way I or you would have gone about it..
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Name:
cornbread
Comment: DAVID BANNER IS ONE IGNORANT BACKWARD AZZ COUNTRY FUKK. THIS MUTHA FUKKA IS 30 SOMETHIN YEARS OLD AND HE'S TALKING ABOUT THESE LEADERS COMING TO THEM LIKE THEY ARE LITTLE CHILDREN SAYING WE GOT TO TALK ABOUT THIS. OUR BLACK LEADERS HAVE DONE THAT AND YOU BACKWARD AZZ IGNORANT FUKKS KEEP ON RAPPING ABOUT THE SAME OLD SHIIT THAT'S KILLING THE MINDS OF THE BLACK YOUTH. I WISH ALL OF YOUR BANK ACCOUNTS DRY UP AND PEOPLE STOP BUYING YOUR BULLSHIIT. YOU ARE TALKING A BUNCH OF NOTHING!! HOW DARE YOU TELL ANOTHER MAN TO SUCK YOUR DICK. ESPECIALLY A HISTORICAL PUBLIC BLACK FIGURE. YOU FUKKIN FAGGOT!! AND YOU THINK OPRAH AND AL WILL INVITE YOU ON THEIR SHOWS OR WASTE THEIR TIME TALKING TO YOUR SORRY AZZ? I FUKKIN HATE YOU DAVID BANNER! YOU ARE THE SCUM OF THE FUKKIN EARTH AND YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO THE BLACK RACE. FUKK YOU!!
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