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Name: nightshift
Comment: I'll get the popcorn!!
Name: prettieyez
Comment: Didn't they say this tape was child porn?
Name: Trianna007
Comment: I've never seen the alleged incident because I find it disgusting that adults would willing view this. I'm puzzled as to why a judge would show the media a tape of hte alleged child pornography. The jury seeing it I can understand.
Name: sdedee
Comment: Hello!! Why are people so willing to watch and promote child pornography. Its pretty sad that folks are ready to condenm this man and in the same instant view with glee something that is sooooo "sick". Make up your minds folks are you a part of the problem of the solution. The DA needs to charge this judge with promoting child pornography! I am proud to say I have never seen this tape!!! and never will
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: *faints at the thought of R. Kelly eatin a girl's booty being shown in court* Now, THAT'S what you call evidence.
Name: nycGYRL888
Comment: IJA>>>you are crazy LOL. This here is some HotGhettoMess! and its spilling over to the court systems.
Name: McNasty
Comment: Well the judge has a point you can't victimize a non victim! I don't agree with them releasing the tape to the media - isn't it already out there? Sdedee you ain't the lone ranger I haven't seen the tape either and don't intend to. Also, I heard recently that in rayj's tape he does the ruh to kk and pis.ses on her - I guess these females don't realize how degrading that is.
Name: khufu
Comment: hmmmmm seems that the judge's motivation might be: even if he is found not guilty by the legal jury, the court of public opinion will fry his azz
Name: fanteeking
Comment: "I believe I can fly...I believe I can touch the sky......... Yeah, if that wuz one of my nieces you were sodomizing, you'd be flyin' alright after I put a knife in your gizzard and kicked yo' azz.
Name: Matlock
Comment: Anybody remember when R-uh was saying it wasn't HIM in the video? I guess the focus changed to HER after the financial terms were met.
Name: Caribbean_Queen
Comment: If by some curious carriage of justice, Ruh went to jail, would we have to look forward to songs from "the pen?" or would he just continue in "da closet" chapter fifty-eleven? Even if they send Ruh in the pen for a quick 2months, some big husky man with a teenage daughter got some antidote fer dat azz!
Name: bigchassie
Comment: where is Ruh's brother? isn't he the one that started all this mess?
Name: Exmun
Comment: @Trianna007, a court is a public forum. If the jury can see it, the press and those in the audience can see it. I believe what they are talking about is viewing the tape in court. I don't believe that the court is releasing the tape to the media before the trial.
Name: 4mybabygirl
Comment: This is too juicy. I will be watching this trial on court tv. I wonder what Nancy will have to say about this! This man needs a healing and a jail cell.
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: nyc< sho' nuff! But they really do have to show the tape. I saw some of it, and there is definitely a scene where he has the girl on a chair with his face in her booty, and someone knocks on the door and says 'ROBERT?' LMAO! I can't remember if he went to the door, I think he did. But he damn sure responded to his name. *slaps the sh!t out of r. kelly*
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: If this is child porn, then the tape should be shown to the jury, to the judge and the attorneys involved. I don't see how they can publicly show the tape without breaking their own law. Ever since the Clarence Thomas/ Anita Hill hearings, there's been a salacious appetite for sh** like this and it's a disgrace. It's a disgrace he did it, but two wrongs don't make it right. Moral depravity has killed the other civilizations and it will get this one, too. R, take the plea and spare the public of this madness. What will showing the tape prove anyway? The prosecutor knows his case is weak because he cannot get the girl's participation - TO DATE. That can change. But in the meantime, if America is so against child porn, to show this in open court would amount to what? Just because some things CAN be done, that don't mean they SHOULD be done. The system is imperfect, people, because it's made of IMPERFECT PEOPLE. But do we have to go to H.e.l.l. in a handbasket?
Name: michaelollieclayton
Comment: I have NEVER ONCE commented on this subject anywhere online or offline, verbally or otherwise. But through it all what kept bubbling up in my head, in the privacy of my own thoughts was how socially unsophisticated R. had to be to be out enticing naive, impressionable waifs. It says, "I ain't got game." "I don't have what it takes to hold a mature conversation with someone of age." "I'm so underdeveloped and intimidated that I have to prowl the schoolyards." Please, say it isn't so...
Name: CRENEEJ
Comment: ok, i have to say that i saw the tape, and i remember the part u were talking about IJA... LMBAO. he really needs to go under the jail for this one, and i cannot wait to read Mo'Kelly's scathing commentary on this one. R.Kelly broke the law. period. They have him on tape. period. of course, if you have all seen 'The Boondocks', you know what will happen, but all in all, i hope he gets hit with a lot of time and after that, i hope the girl comes back and sues the shyttt out of him for this...
Name: michaelollieclayton
Comment: I don't imagine he'd ever confess to it: Chorus leader says, "On three...1...2...3...I BELIEVE I'LL TELL LIES!" Really though, this whole fiasco kinda gives a whole new meaning to his line: "I see myself going through those open doors..." (jail or underage puzzee) LOL!!!!!!!!!!
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: creneeJ< I just don't see how this case can be so hard to prove! Wasn't there a date stamp on the tape? Sh!t, if we know the date, the girl can be matched to the tape, age verified, he answers to Robert during the filming, his soul train award is in the background lol, he married Aaliyah, lock him up? What's so damn hard.
Name: TMan
Comment: Never saw this tape and after I heard Wendy Williams describe it, I didn't really want to.
Name: ez3372
Comment: I bet Kell's doesn't spend a DAY in jail. Watch what I tell you. Everybody can hymn and haw all they want. This man is not going to go to jail for this crime. He might just pull a Mike Vick and cop a plea. But he's not going to jail.
Name: KMJW
Comment: McNasty > I have a good friend that enjoys being p*ss'd on...she says it does something for her. I always tell her that she looks normal on the outside and acts normal, but it's definitely something not right with her. :-)
Name: BlkATLTop
Comment: ez- if Mike Vick goes to jail for dogs, I surely hope Kelly goes to jail for this.
Name: BlkATLTop
Comment: KMJW- I assume these activities happen in the shower?
Name: DCGG
Comment: What the fuvk is going on here, how in the hell can Michael Jackson go on trail for all that bullshyt without proof and this nasty bytch just walking around chillin???
Name: McNasty
Comment: KMJW that's not something I would tell anyone if it were a part of my life! Urine, just like shat leaves your body for a reason - because it's waste - something so foul it has to be flushed. I think your friend gets nutties being degraded and all she can think of is pleasure.
Name: dcdouglass01
Comment: "Dr. Sharon Cooper, will testify that the girl...is exhibiting behavior consistent with someone who has been victimized...." No, she's exhibiting behavior consistent with someone who has been paid off. But why have the prosecutors waited so long to bring this case to trial? Perhaps they're not confident in their case. Which is to say, R might walk.
Name: michaelollieclayton
Comment: I don't get the "PEE ON ME" thing either. I have trouble with even one drop of MY pee touching me while wiggling my log after a whizz. But what's worse, I understand some people like to be shyt on during/after the throes of passion! WTF!!! There ain't THAT MUCH passion or love or lust or infatuation or emotion for me to be like, "Could you shyt on me to heighten the event, please?" WHERE DID WE GO WRONG? www.lulu.com/michaelclayton www.youtube.com/michaelclayton1
Name: Mas90
Comment: I've seen parts of the tape on the web when it first came out. You could barely make him out. KMJW.... you're friend likes to be pisssed on because she likes being wet during sexual activity. Some use oil, some just allow the sweat to come on, she likes submitting herself to raunchy act of wetness. As far as R I think they should show the footage in court. But I don't think R is going to get much.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >mas90- You don't know what you're talking about. You really don't. Having someone urinate or defacate on you before/during/after sex has NOTHING to do with being wet. It has everything to do with being degraded / dominated. Someone wanting to do that to someone else, especially a male is a sign of either an abuser or a misogynist or both. In other words, someone who wants to pee or crap on a women doesn't like women and wants to dominate, control, degrade them. Serial killers/rapists do things like this. You need to read up on it before you say something else ignorant. It is deviant sexual behavior and typically is a sign that a person is very wrong in the head.
Name: TesticAl
Comment: IJA, the booty eating scene is not the one with the alleged young girl. The scene you are talking about is a totally different tape with a woman of age. Trust me, I KNOW! I bought both of those dvds some years ago for 10 bucks.
Name: PlanetRock
Comment: I hate to say it, but if R. Kelly gets the girl, the girl's momma and the girl's daddy to say, "it's not her on the video," R. Kelly may walk. The first defense they used years ago of it's not R. Kelly on the tape made even Stevie wonder what the he1l was wrong with R. Kelly, but if they put doubt in the jury's mind that it's the girl on the tape... It should be interesting what R. Kelly's spin doctors do to get him off. Not that I condone any of this either because R. Kelly would have needed an orthopaedic surgeon to remove my foot from in his a** if he came near my daughter, but it's ironic that I saw a news story on the R. Kelly trial on one channel and on the next the world and Priscilla Presley remembering Elvis, who married her when she was just 14. Just random thoughts.
Name: KMJW
Comment: Mas90 > Thanks for breaking it down. I never saw it like that...I guess I'm somewhat in the same category with my friend as I love for sweat to drip on me during the act. It just does something for me. BlkATLTop > I've never asked her that question. Do her friends just p*ss on the bed/floor? Good question!
Name: whynotme
Comment: --->KMJW you are not in the same category as your friend because someone sweating on you is not the same as someone peeing on you.
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: KMJW< I think that's brave of your friend to admit she likes goldenshowers. I wonder what it is about pee...cum I can understand but pee???? Maybe it's mental. But then again it all is b/c I could def. see why you would want to be ON someone lol.
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: Enough already! He says its not him, she says its not her-what exactly are they basing this case on-a hand that "resembles" R Kelly's? Without having irrefutable proof this will be a waste of taxpayers money.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >PlanetR - You're probably right. Michael Jackson got off completely. One of the tactics for cases like this is to delay the trial. This case came out several years ago and it still hasn't gone to trial. He has good, no excellent lawyers. They are probably going to hell in the same handbasket R will be riding in but they are great at what they do. The other tactic used is a pay-off. Clearly this girl got a check. The sad thing about all of this is that as long as he is allowed to do this by society and the people around him, more girls will be victimized. Aliyah's parents should have had him thrown in jail for marrying her at 15. That is a fact. The marriage license is public record. We KNOW he likes young girls - he married a child! But people keep buying and listening to his music. I don't get that. People are making him rich and he's basically a molester like the guys we see on "To Catch a Predator"!
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...WTF?..WTF?...I betcha that judge gets his rocks off watching lil Black kids getting peed on by Black R&B singers...Pay close attention to him as that dayum tape plays...I betcha he be stirring and wiggling under that robe...Watch lil beads of sweat run down his fugging head you might even hear a slight ever so slight grunt..Dayum freak
Name: TesticAl
Comment: michaelollieclayton, let me explain the P-I-S-S-I-N thing from my point of view. I would P-I-S-S on a bich again if I could. It's not about the act, it's about degrading that bich. You don't p-i-s-s on a bich you care about, you do it to flip. It's all about degradation. Apparently a woman has no values if she would let you do that to her. I would shyt on a %*$!( too. I would eat cream styled corn all day and let loose. I'm talking a hot steamer on that whore's chest. Don't get me wrong, I WOULD NEVER LET THAT HAPPEN TO ME! *Cam'Ron*Shyts disgusting!*Cam'Ron*
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: To anyone who has seen the tape-Can you really tell it is R. Kelly without a doubt?
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: IJA - you are nasty. Really nasty. You think it's brave to admit to deviant behavior? I think it's sad. If a friend of mine told me something like that, I'd give her a number to a therapist and pray for her. That's nasty. As someone else said - urine is WASTE material from your body. It gets flushed for a reason. Again I'll say that our society is as jacked up as it is because we have people who think anything goes. Again we see that there is no standard. This is really nasty, deviant stuff here. A person wanting to be degraded or a person wanting to degrade someone has mental issues. If you check into their childhood(s) they were probably abused or exposed to abuse. This is not healthy. I don't understand why y'all are acting like this "golden shower" thing is cool/quirky. It's so not cool!!!
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >Test - I hope you are kidding but if you aren't, you prove my point. A man who does this to a woman DOESN'T LIKE WOMEN.
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: Michael-LMAO!
Name: TesticAl
Comment: queeniebunz, *smirks* no I wasn't kidding. Let me ask you this, how do you come to the conclusion that if a man takes a p-i-s-s on a bich, he doesn't like women? I really want to hear your LOGICAL answer. That certainly is not my case. I love women.
Name: indipindintthnkr
Comment: michaelollieclayton>>>"I'm so underdeveloped and intimidated that I have to prowl the schoolyards. I don't have what it takes to hold a mature conversation with someone of age." I think you're on to something there. I don't sense maturity at all. I had the chance to listen to his latest cd and every song is about the club!! Drankin n wankin in da club, getin with somebody elses girl in da club, double up in da club...I was like dayum! Who at thrity something got time to ALWAYS b up in da club? Don't he know anything else?
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >Test - you call it "taking a p*ss". That is what you do in a urinal, a toilet, an alley, behind a tree. You do it in these places because you know it stinks, it is waste material and after you're done, you don't want it near you and you don't want to reek of it. To do it on a person you claim to like is a contradiction. Clearly, you and I have different ideas of what it means to "like/love women". You don't "love women" by unloading your waste on them. Do you give them garbage as presents for Valentine's Day? Do you sh*t in a box, wrap it up and give it to your mom for Christmas? Would you be okay if some dude did that to your ma? Do you put your "p*ss" in a bottle, wrap it up and tell your girl it's Victoria Secret body spray? I don't think you do that. So why would you think that "sharing" your WASTE with women would indicate your like/love for them? It is a clear manifestation of your disdain for women. You say you would only do it to a woman you don't respect but my thing is this - how much respect do you expect anyone to give YOU knowing you would urinate on ANYONE? At the very least it's EXTREMELY immature behavior. On the other end of the spectrum, it makes you a freak. Even joking about this is alarming to me.
Name: TesticAl
Comment: queeniebunz, Go back and read what I said. You p-i-s-s on a flip. You're hip so you know what that is. Would it be okay if so dude did that to my mom? LMFAO! It's funny when people throw the mother in the place like it will change anything. My pops probably have already p-i-s-s-e-d on my moms years ago. What I don't know can't hurt me in this instance. About people giving me respect, this is a message board, I gives a fuckk if a nig-ger gives me respect or not on here. You act like I parade around all day talking about taking a leak on a bich. GTFOH with that. Like I said before, I love women, but I would do anything to a flip. With me "alarming" you, shows that you take the internet to serious. Step away from EUR and drink some coffee, or whatever it is you do.
Name: MediaAgent
Comment: I want to know which tape Mas90 saw, cause I saw the dvd and everyone I know saw it (cause we were sure he was set up). There is NO DOUBT that is Mr. Robert Kelly. Damm in one section you see his %*$ setting the damm camera to focus. Honestly, all the other chicks looked to be of age, but the kid that he urinated on was definitely a child. Whether or not she had did that before (I believe someone put her up to it), that's not the point. She was still a minor and he was an adult. Last time I checked the law, that's considered statutory rape. Anyone who defends this I question there sense of reason. After the jurors view that tape, Robert is going to jail, believe it. For the record, we threw the dvd away because that last frame is definitely CHILD PORNOGRAPHY. The media is going to have a field day.
Name: McNasty
Comment: Indipindinthinkr I've always wondered that and I don't own any of his music! He sings about what he's about and without money he would be lost cause females would be breakin' their young as.s fingers off tellin' on his as.s!
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >indipindintthnkr - I will piggyback what MichaelOC says by also saying that typically men like this go after young girls to DOMINATE them. They know they can't do the same mess to a grown-azzed woman. Men like this are controlling and insecure. They also go after women w/low self-esteem, women who have been abused or are from abused backgrounds, and women with dependent personalities. This is all textbook stuff here.
Name: sprtslvr
Comment: Why is it that everytime a teenage girl has sex with someone older, they are automatically the victim as if they didn't know what they were doing. HELLO, wake up people she came to him. I don't think he was out on the street asking, my bad enticing, women to sleep with him. The females that have sex with these entertainers aren't virgins and they usually have an agenda to sleep with the stars. Where were her parents at and why was she out at an adult concert at 14. If her parents didn't know, they could have easily figured it out by the smell of pee and they hickies on her. How can she show signs of being a "victim", when (1) she was a willing participant and (2) she says it wasn't even her. Stop calling females who do this type of stuff victims, when they know what they are doing. Victims put up a fight; victims say no; victims are hurt or killed; victims are helplessp; victims are affected mentally, physically, and emotionally. Them only thing this girl had victimized was her pride and her body when he %*$!ed on her. I haven't seen the tape and pissing on someone is just straight nasty, but I'm pretty sure that the girl WASN'T a virgin. She let him lick her butt, that wasn't not virgin like. I just hope she didn't kiss him afterwards. He should have known better than to have sex with someone under 18 and definitely not to tape if he did. I have no sympathy for either of them. If she gets money by saying it wasn't her, then she deserves it.
Name: Stephanie
Comment: Why don't they just slap him on the wrist and be done with it. That's all that's going to happen anyway. Its been how many years and now, who cares? He fits the description of pedophile big time but they're not going to do anything. Had the victim been a rich white girl from the burbs, he'd doing 25 to life.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >Test - say I'm taking it too seriously is funny. Ask all them dudes they caught on "To Catch A Predator" if I am taking it too seriously. People speak a lot of truth in jest. You are on here telling everyone that you pee on women and get off on it. You call women "flips". I don't know what that means but from context I am going to guess that it's something like a "chickenhead" or something else derogatory. The interesting/sad thing here is that you are joking about something that is so prevalent in our society that you don't even see it as wrong. You didn't even bat an eye when I mentioned your mom. I didn't do it to degrade you. I did it to exemplify that EVERY WOMAN is somebody's mother, sister, daughter, niece, granddaughter, etc. As such, EVERY WOMAN should be respected and valued. We as black folk don't value our daughters/mothers/etc. so why do we get so mad when others disrespect us? Why the outcry over Imus when you will say in one sentence that you love women and then call them "flips" and say you will urinate on them/us? And you are trying to make light of this but it isn't funny at all. I would lose my mind if I found out somebody did something like this to any of my 3 nieces or my best friend's 2 nieces. But you are laughing and making light of something very serious. Telling me to lighten up? Nah. I'm not going to lighten up about anyone degrading women - not now and not ever.
Name: drkbrb
Comment: Saw the tape a long time ago....could be him, could be his brother, could be any one. Most of the bootlegged tapes were so bad that you could not without a shadow of a doubt say that it was Kells. I too think he has a problem, but the same goes for a lot of artist and parents to. First off have you seen most of the girls in the video (take Akon situation for example) I am 30 and most of these little 16-18 year olds look older than me. Hell, Jay and Bee are like how many years different, Kimora and Russell are like how many years different? To take it a step further Damon dash was fooling with Aaliyah as well so he foul to. I think Sparkle was just salty that she was a one hit wonder and decided to do some get back. If I was on the jury and they showed me the same tape that I already seen, he would be acquitted simply because girl says not her, mom and dad say the same and the tape is of poor quality. Bring me some DNA and then we can lock his %*$ up.
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: Testical-Is everything OK? You sound a little %*$!ed and even though I cant see you I'm scarred!
Name: Mas90
Comment: Obviously Queenie has been pisssed on a many of times cause she knows I don't know what I'm talking about about. But you stupid bytch I said she likes to submit which would be the same as being dominated. You are such stupid bytch. Every comment I said yo stupid fishy smelling self gotta say I'm wrong. Why can't you just ignore me? Bytch you just love for me to call you a bytch. Don't you bytch. You submitting to being humilated with the word bytch from me. Don't you bytch.
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: Testical-"My pops probably have already p-i-s-s-e-d on my moms years ago" Now that was too funny!
Name: TesticAl
Comment: queeniebunz, Get something straight, NEVER did I say I get off on p-i-s-s-i-n on a woman. Quote me saying that and I will buy you a Pepsi or whatever you drink. I said I have "PEED" on a girl before and would do it again, and I would. A "Flip" is whore/groupie/chickenhead/one night stand/whatever. I NEVER SAID TAKING A LEAK ON A BICH WASN'T WRONG! Stop reaching. I know you didn't mention my mom to degrade me, you were trying to make a point. That point made no sense, but I understood. The thing is, this is the internet, people say things and have roles. My role is to lift eyebrows and say controversial things. Since you're not going to lighten up, you're in for a long day. LMAO at you bringing up Imus. Hell, I would p-i-s-s on them nappy headed hoes too. You madd?
Name: Exmun
Comment: Testical, Your posts have always been edgy and on the line, sometimes over the line. Your posts above clearly demonstrate something very deviant about you it that's your attitude. To take a dump or urinate on another person doesn't say anything about valuing another person, I don't care if it's a "flip" a "flop", one night stand or whatever. I agree with Queeniebunz... you's a very sick soul to have those feelings.
Name: TesticAl
Comment: OH SHYT! LMMFBAO at Mas90! Youz a fool! You went off on ol' girl like how I used to go off on Archcookies. KILLERMEG, I'm all jokes on here. Rarely am I serious.
Name: MediaAgent
Comment: The part with R. screwing that child was not %*$! poor quality, maybe your part was, but the copy we saw was not, the one with the older chicks were. Plus, BET had just shown his house on their show "How I'm Living". The family room was EXACTLY as shown. And his face was clear. So all this it couldn't be him is bullshyt. And for the record, Kimora was of age when Russell married her, Aaliyah was in her 20 when she was with Dame Dash (she died at 22) and Beyonce started with Jay after turning 21. Now I agree, that you will not know how old any girl may be, but R. Kelly knew, you could see that even though they claim that she was 14, the girl looked 11. she was tiny. And I may add, she wasn't even fully developed. What I think bothers me in all this is the childs parents have not raised hell, people are blaming her and not their own actions, men as usual are covering up for the brother and people still by his records. Whether or not he needs help the bottom line is that what he did with this girl was wrong. Plain and simple.
Name: TesticAl
Comment: Exmun, I've been called everything on God's green Earth on here. This is the first time I've been called a "sick soul". THANK YOU.
Name: drkbrb
Comment: Yall got me cracking up over here- I feel you Testic...you raise eyebrows some are e-gangsters.
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: sprtslvr-I've been saying that all along! Parents act like they dont know whats going on with their kids but I'm sorry you can tell if your raising a little ho! The way the chicks are today is nuts! The things they are willing to do at such a young age just has me in disbelief! If he goes to jail she should too cause thats bullsh*t! She knew EXACTLY what the f*ck she was doin so while the world is out to "make an example" out of him they should do the same to her! Then MAYBE it would slow some of these fast azz little girls the f*ck down! (maybe not but wishful thinking though) I said it before and I'll say it again I'm teaching my sons that "Girl are the Devil"! LOL
Name: michaelollieclayton
Comment: INDI: Precisely! You're value system at age thirty SHOULD BE significantly different from what it was when you turned 20...or,in this case 15. The boy ain't mature. If you wanna get freaky and double up or whatever, do it with a private, mature crowd, not some star-struck, hormone-hopped bopper. TESTICAL: I think u just fuggin wif a nicca. But if you aren't, I say to each his or her own. As much as my first wife (Yes, I'm divorced twice!) pizzed me off, I still have no desire to pizz or shyt on her. And, for the sake of a sales pitch, you can read all the reasons why I should pizz on her at lulu.com/michaelclayton ("The Captain & The Rebel"). I used sleep with people I had no feelings for, but that got tired back in my teens and early, early twenties. I ain't got to be in love, but I at least got to care for a person to some degree to even think about getting naked and nasty with them. It's just me. It's something that CUMS with age.
Name: Victornator
Comment: If the girl, her mom, aunt, or whoever cooperated with the authorities, wouldn't that violate the "no snitch" rule of the streets? Or does the type of crime dictate when it is OK to snitch.
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: There goes the Mas90 we all know and love! LOL
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: LMAO! Queenie< you are so judgmental. I don't see how you make it through the day. I bet NONE of your friends share ANYTHING important with you. You need to let TesticAL f*ck some of that uptightness out of you.
Name: Southernbelle
Comment: To Kelly> Looking at my Gucci, it's about that time.
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Queenie< I have a serious question and I"m not trying to be funny, but have you studied psychology at all? You give the most damning as.sessments of people as though it is your PROFESSIONAL opinion. If you have a degree in psychology, please proudly state the school at which you are an alumni. In fact, if you did indeed graduate from school, please state the college.
Name: WillSap
Comment: hmmm...i just had an idea who Puffy should put in his band... Keite Young, Kanye West, David Banner and R. Kelly...is it too late to phone in?!
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >Mas90 - This is what you said - "you're friend likes to be pisssed on because she likes being wet during sexual activity. Some use oil, some just allow the sweat to come on, she likes submitting herself to raunchy act of wetness." I stand by my response to what you said. I said, "Having someone urinate or defacate on you before/during/after sex has NOTHING to do with being wet.It has everything to do with being degraded / dominated. Someone wanting to do that to someone else, especially a male is a sign of either an abuser or a misogynist or both. In other words, someone who wants to pee or crap on a women doesn't like women and wants to dominate, control, degrade them." Yeah, you mentioned submission but you gloss over it and make it sound less than the dominant, deviant behavior that it really is - like it's okay to drop waste materials on a sex partner. Your argument is weak. How do I know? Because typically, people with no real argument resort to hollering and cursing when they don't have anything really intelligent to say. Being called a name by an idiot is like being called the "N" word by a klansman. It means nothing.
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: Testical-I CANT STOP LAUGHIN! "%*$! ON THEM NAPPY HEAD HOES" YOU ARE TOO MUCH!
Name: Mas90
Comment: QUEEN Bytch shut up!
Name: TesticAl
Comment: michaelollieclayton, Your first sentence regarding me, you know what's up. I have peed on a bich before though. LMAO on you saying I can read the reasons why you p-i-s-s on her. LMAO! You're alright with me. CUMS with age. HA! IJA, *Martin*WZUP!*Martin*
Name: Mas90
Comment: LOL @ Testic, Killermeg & co-sign w/ ImJustAsking
Name: TesticAl
Comment: KILLERMEG, glad to make you laugh.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >IJA - I have a master's degree in counseling from George Washington Univ, class of '98. As for being "judgmental" I find it funny that people always call you judgmental when you disagree with their lifestyle. As a matter of fact, people ALWAYS confide in me - even strangers sometimes. And if I have a problem with something they are doing because I care about them and want to see them lead healthy productive lives, I tell them straight - "I don't agree with what you are doing" if I don't agree. I also tell them that they need to think about what motivates their behavior. And, I ask them if what they are doing is really okay with them or if they are doing it because it pleases the other person. Or, if they are doing something because they think it's the normal thing to do. I ask - Why are you allowing this in your life? Why are you doing this to yourself? Abusive people train the people around them to accept abuse. They work at convincing their victims that what is happening is natural and normal and acceptable. There are a lot of damaged people out here who think deviance is normal because it's all they know. A young girl who watches her mother get the crap beat out of her grows up thinking it is okay for a man to beat her down so when her boyfriend slaps her silly she thinks that is love. It isn't okay. You can continue to joke about this kind of thing if you want but I take it very seriously because I've seen so many damaged people. Laugh if you want but this type of thing results in promiscuity, drug abuse, the abused becoming the abuser, and suicide. NONE of that is funny.
Name: KMJW
Comment: To Queenie, TesticAl, etc...the use of urine is all subjective...some people actually use urine as home remedies...check out http://www.skepdic.com/urine.html...remember, just because you don't do it, doesn't mean it's wrong...it's all about having YOUR own opinion (that doesn't differ from the Word of God for Christians)!
Name: KMJW
Comment: Quennie > Given your background and experience in counseling, is giving head OK? I just want to know so I can tell my friend. ;- ;-
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: ImJust-Now there YOU go making me laugh out loud-again! Between you Mas90 & Testical I'll be in the unemployment line in no time! Wait I cant breathe! Oh this site is too funny!
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >KMJW - Actually, I had a coworker a few years ago who put urine on blemishes. I saw on CSI a show where the people drank urine for weight loss or to stay young or something like that. I know it's a show but I figure that they got the idea from a real situation. I was like, uh, okay. But still, both are a lot different from pulling out your johnson and spraying a woman during sex. Think about it this way - years ago in the MD/DC area, these young men beat up a man and then urinated on him. They weren't doing it out of love. They were doing it to degrade him as much as they could. They did it and they videotaped it which is how they were caught. Nothing says degradation like dropping your waste on a person. So thinking that the same thing could be used in a sexual act and considered normal, acceptable behavior on the part of either person in the act is a stretch for me.
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: ImJust-You just had to ask! Now you got folks throwing out credentials and sh*t! I need a tissue for my tears! LOL
Name: ilovemypublicist
Comment: R Kelly has hired this dude named Ed Genson to get him out of this porno drama. Word is he is the "white" Johnnie Cochran.The high and mighty check for Genson when they’re trying to save their careers and avoid jail. Other Attorneys have said that Ed's face at the defense table makes prosecutors nervous-- he's that ill. Doesn’t this case bring back memories of Johnnie Cochran and OJ? IF THE HAND PRINT DON'T MATCH, THIS CASE IS A WRAP! ilovmypublicist.com
Name: soulmusic101
Comment: Anybody have a link to the video, my copy got lost when I moved...LOL...just jokin...Cracking up at the Board today.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >KMJW - Actually, I would say it depends on why the person is doing it. If the person 'giving' feels forced, it isn't okay. If the guy gets off on talking a girl into doing it when he knows she doesn't want to, it's problematic. If the person wants to do it and likes doing it, then it's fine. Some women like the power of it - knowing they have the power to get a guy that excited and all. The same is true of anal sex. I heard from a male friend of mine that many times guys like to do that to women - but only if she doesn't want to do it. If she does, they aren't interested. The whole point of the act to a guy like that is dominance, not the act or love or even lust. It's control and power. Men in prison may force other men to have oral or anal sex with them because they want the human contact but more often than not it is a way to dominate and control their fellow inmates. It usually has everything to do with power and nothing to do with affection/love/lust. My whole point is this - when you are engaged in a sexual act, if you aren't doing what you are doing because you totally want to, then it's a problem. Nancy Friday has several books about this kind of thing. The books are racy, to say the least, but her points about the reasoning behind the sexual acts is interesting and disturbing, too.
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: Queenie< if you graduated from George Wasington Univ they are letting anyone in these days b/c clearly you said: "As for being "judgmental" I find it funny that people always call you judgmental when you disagree with their lifestyle." That is the muthaf*cking DEFINITION of judgmental! You have NO BUSINESS agreeing or disagreeing with someone's lifestyle. My God, this just goes to show a degree don't mean sh!t these days. I was going to go to George Washington for my Masters but I am glad I changed my mind and will be at Georgetown in the spring. Are you sure your masters wasn't in social work? b/c everybody knows that social work/counseling is NOT psychology by any stretch of the imagination. Based on what you said, I really need to get your credential straight in my mind b/c you are way too repressed to offer advice to anyone going through anything. I wouldn't take your advice if I stubbed my f*cking toe.
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: Dayum...ya'll still talking 'bout pissing on muthafuccers up in here?...What is this, some kind of e-toilet?...Y'all crazee for that...eurinal?...Stop all this dayum eurinating on this site...We 'posed to be discussing Robert Kelly pissing on that child and the judge allowing the tape to be viewed...How it turned into a pee-fest has got me...Now for some of you slow folk.. notice how I...B00tane B00tus spelled urinal...Yeah, go back and look, take ya time...Also look at urinating, see...see...Ya got it now?...Ok, very good ya'll...I want all this pee talk to cease....What's wrong with ya'll?...For the record, I have never peed on a woman...I may have dripped a lil bit on one...But I was drunk and you know...I regained control and made it the toilet...I told her I spilled my beer....
Name: TesticAl
Comment: queeniebunz, the girl I p-i-s-s-e-d on wanted it. She actually mentioned it to me. I wanted to do it so let loose on her face, eyes, and mouf. Am I still disturbed and all of that other good stuff?
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: What many of you probably get but for some reason are laughing off is that sex is used as a method to control and disempower people. Last week M O'Kelly referenced a story about a Haitian woman in Florida who was raped w/in an inch of her life by teens and then forced to perform oral sex on her 12 year old son. Do you laugh about that, too? Is there anything funny about this? Here we have R Kelly engaging in deviant sex with a CHILD and people on here are saying "she wanted it" and "she knew what she was doing". Um, how many people can honestly say they knew ANYTHING at the age of 14 or 15 years old? You don't know ANYTHING at that age. And, developmentally speaking, you cannot process information the way a 20+ year old person can. That is the reason for statutory rape being illegal. At that age, whether you look like a child or not, mentally, emotionally, and intellectually you DO NOT have the capabilities to make these kind of decisions. That is also why the legal drinking age was raised to 21. Teens do not have developed decision-making skills so they do not know what you think they do. Talk to a teen for 30 minutes and you'll realize that.
Name: Train
Comment: They need to go ahead and throw this clown in prison now because that was him on that tape no matter how much he tries to deny it. They also need to throw that girl's parent's in prison too for pimping their daughter out like to that azzhole.
Name: MidwestMan1
Comment: Isn't his case based on more than the sex tapes? I thought they had also seized camera's and child porn in his crib too?
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >IJA - Whatever. You are the person who admitted yesterday for all of us to see that you were still chasing after a man you know has herpes just because he can throw a football, right?...
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: There is a lot of sexual behavior that I would more than likely not try, but I'm not going to analyze another person is into certain things, as I don't know them AT ALL. My only concern would be behavior that is considered illegal or things done to people without their consent. With that said,the R. Kelly tapes more than likely should not be shown to a jury for the simply fact that aside from the urination, the girl being underage is subjective, I have seen the entire tape and I could not honestly prove that girl was underage, look at Lisa Lopes without makeup for example, there are days that she looked much, much younger than 30. Unfortunately the girl's actions did not seem as if she was forced to have sex with Kelly or that it was her first time, although the point remains that if she was under 17 he is wrong. The thing would be that the jurors would have to go strictly by the law, and not their perception of the tape.
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: B00T-I had to look away from my computer, put my head down and laugh hard as I could as quite as I could! That "pee-fest" sh*t had me weak! I'll add you to my list of funny posters! Second time today I cant breathe! LOL
Name: YLawdY
Comment: queenie....were you abused as a youngster? This seems to be more than a discussion for you and you are coming across as is you are the authority on what is/isn't right. I know that adult survivors of abuse are often zealots in their perception of abusive behaviors in others. There are some women and men that get off on being degraded. It is what it is and if they are indeed women and men, as opposed to children, it's what they do. As for respecting a female because she's somebody's mom, sister, aunt, whatever.....Being female does not give one an automatic pass to being respected. Nor should it. Respect is earned and if you're a $2 trick willing to be peed on, then the only thing you've earned is a wet azz.
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: queenie< If I was truly chasing MIchael Vick I would have caught him by now simply by asking mutual friends to introduce us. I was using a crush I had in high school to illustrate a point the other day. I bet you store information to make a later judgment all the time. Not cute.
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: YlawdY< why does KMJW's friend have to be a $2 trick!! For all you know she could be Oprah or somebody damn.
Name: whynotme
Comment: --->queeniebunz you have to ignore mas90 because for some reason he is jealous of women....oh i know the reason, because he wants to be one....how many real men do you know call women "stupid fishy smelling self"?.....he wants to be a woman so bad.
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: Queeniebunz, I realize the law but just out of curiousity if teens don't have the same reasoning capacity how come their fate in life is determined only based on what society wants for today. It doesn't seem to be based on any set rule or whether a teenager is mature enough. You can kill an man in battle at 18, but you can not drink, you can be tried as an adult if the crime is heinous enough etc. You can even have sex as two 15 year olds but a 15 year old with a 18 year old is statutory rape. Don't get me wrong, I certainly realize some laws are in place for specific reasons, however some are in place simply because they were never challenged period. Additionally I would not blanket all teenagers as being emotionally immature just because they are teenagers, I have talked to teens that have more on the ball than some full grown adults. Think about it, just in the 19th century children worked at 10 and 11 and 20th century you still had women marrying, having children and running a household at 14 and 15, now although we have better education and technology, kids are too immature to make good decisions (unless you kill someone.) Not advocating change at all, just pointing out hypocrisy in the laws and morals.
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: Queenie-Sorry if your feeling e-jumped on here but now I have to "jump" in. You are taking this to a whole new level. One case has NOTHING to do with the other. Yes, my heart goes out to that mother and her child but as for Kells situation-I feel if he goes down, she should too! I'm sorry but when I was younger and made the choice to have sex (yes I'm puttin it out there) I knew EXACTLY what the hell the hell I wanted (not what I was doing though)! So that she's just a kid sh*t is out the window for me! And for the record it's MY opinion may not be right may not be wrong but its MINE! Loosen up a little-geez..........
Name: Mas90
Comment: ImJustASking... I bet she got a notepad with all our info on it. "Yeah, yeah i c IJA just said she chasing herpes... Killermeg... worried about losing her job due to laughing.... Mas.... called me bytch for the 50 time (next time I go off) uhmmm lets see.. Testic... is a freak but I like it (just can't tell no one) and Boot... he str8 up honest & funny (what I need in a man cause I don't have one still!)"
Name: drkbrb
Comment: MediaAgent: Kimora and Russell got together when she was 17 and a senior in highschool (1992). They married in 1998-she is now 30 and he is 48......you do the math! Like I said before-shadow of a doubt-this is the key phrase-I think that there is enough speculation and unanswered questions to produce doubt, not to mention no victim. Like I said- my copy and most bootlegged version are very poor quality, maybe you got the original, maybe you were there, maybe you like to get pissy-who knows.
Name: michaelollieclayton
Comment: Immo' throw something out there, and I PRAY nobody wigs out: At what age do we become sexual creatures? Are we born sexual creatures, or do we have to wait until society sanctions our, um, "FUGG-ABILITY?" I ask this because I honestly can't remember anytime in my life when I wasn't either tryin' to hump something or thinking about humping something. All through elementary, junior, high school and college...and even now. It is historical fact that people used to get married at 12, 13 years of age, but then the FINANCE CLASS/PROPERTY PARTY took over and being able to be held liable based on the property you owned or didn't own dictated when you could start fuggin (roughly translating into your ability to finance some whinning, sniveling chaps/chilluns). BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE, I WAS READY TO PULL MY PANTS DOWN AT THE SLIGHTEST WHIM OF FREAKINESS FROM AS FAR BACK AS I COULD REMEMBER...NOT THAT I DID ALL THE TIME, BUT BELIEVE ME, I WAS ON FIYA, FIYA, FIYA...NOT A H-O, BUT AS CLOSE TO ONE AS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: queenie< reasoning skills are not the reasons for laws regarding children. The Industrial revolution prompted those laws and a whole new way of thinking about children as part of the family rather than as products needed for labor. That mentality didn't make it's way to rural communities until the next century and black people didn't understand it until wayyyy later b/c up until the 50s and 60s you still had young black girls marrying older black men with no eyebrows raised. I'm not saying it's right I'm just saying the laws didn't change for those reasons.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: YlawdY - Actually, no. I was never abused at all but my very best friend growing up was and it messed her up. I had to watch all the destructive choices she made helplessly and it hurt me to see that. I didn't know why she was acting the way she was until we were grown and she admitted what happened. When she told me, it became clear why she did what she did. I am a pretty open person so I would say so if I was. I just have seen the end result of it and it is heartbreaking. I have also seen a lot when I was teaching middle and high school that was sad and shocking and I just can't joke about this stuff. I just can't. My students were like my kids. What I mean is that I valued them and treated them as I would my own. They thought they knew everything and my girls walked around dressed like video vixens but when they opened their mouths their youth came out. I talked to them as I would my daughters because no one else had. No one else told them their bodies were sacred and to be treated as such. No one told them they were valuable so they walked around like they were worth $1 instead of priceless. They don't know any better even when they think they do and men who go after them know it and count on it. This stuff is not funny. If I sound like an activist it's because I am. I have always considered myself a child advocate and always will be one. Whether I'm teaching or not, I'm going to care about children.
Name: Grace
Comment: to MediaAgent: Some teens look older and are more developed than me and I'm 31. Also, before the breast implants Lil Kim had way less than me. She could've easily passed for a teen due to the fact that she's 4 ft. tall and had A cups. Before I can further comment I have to listen/read the testimonies in September.
Name: TheQuietGuy
Comment: this tape has already been released to the public.they were selling this tape on the street for $10 when this first happened. hell for those that saw the tape and im sure at least 5 people on here have seen this- we all know a. that was him and B. she was a minor. hell through his azz in the joint and get it over with!!!
Name: YLawdY
Comment: ImJustAsking ...Shut up! I wasn't talking about WKRP's friend. I said a $2 trick. You know the kind of girl I'm talking about.
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: MAS-STOP I CANT TAKE IT NO MORE!!!! I REALLY DO HAVE TEARS RUNNIN DOWN MY FACE!
Name: YLawdY
Comment: BOOT...you got issues. CTFU I've never seen the tape in question, but if Rrr knew the girl was underage and she LOOKS underage, then off to jail he should go. I'm with whoever said "she's a kid" isn't enough of an argument. While a "kid" may not make the right decisions, they can definately decide who, when and where to f*ck. Actually that statement applies to grown azz women too. Age doesn't guarantee females make the right decision on who to f*ck. How much of James Brown's DNA is floating around out there?
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: > michaelollieclayton - I'm going to get light here. When I started teaching, I was 21. People always asked me if I was attracted to my male students since we were only 4 years different in age in the case of my seniors. I used to really laugh at that because I would hear them talking in class and even though I was only 3-4 years older than them, they sounded so young and well, stupid!! I also used to say that a 17/18 year old boy is only trying to get it in. They don't care about what they do once they get it in there! They just want to hump on something. I used to say they are just trying to get it in and kill something with it! So, no, I didn't want to hit it with a 17/18 year old BOY. The same is true for girls. They wanted sex, too. Girls are sexual creatures, too. Society historically tells us it is shameful to be that way but that is our nature, men and women. So girls are going to be as curious about sex as boys and want the pleasure that boys want. The problem lies in the CONSEQUENCES of the sex - diseases, babies. Young people don't think that far ahead. Studies show that they don't even think that far ahead when it comes to drinking and driving or recklessly driving. In the MD/DC area this year we had at quite a few fatalities from teens driving drunk and/or recklessly which proves the point - they don't think things through as an adult would. They just don't. So now that we as a society know more about the human brain and its development, people are wisely applying the knowledge. Sure, people decades ago did marry very young but that has changed because technology and knowledge has changed our society.
Name: Mas90
Comment: LOL @ Killermeg. We need to laugh everyday so taking some issues so serious like peeing on people. It ain't hurting nobody. LOL I'm joking.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: And all that said, I still think R Kelly is a sick man and I don't understand all of these justifications for what he has done and is probably still doing.
Name: Mas90
Comment: LOL @ Killermeg. We need to laugh everyday so STOP taking some issues so serious like peeing on people. It ain't hurting nobody. LOL I'm joking.
Name: cornbread
Comment: IF I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING REAL NASTY AND DIRTY LIKE R KELLY, I WOULD PULL DOWN MY DRAWS AND TAKE A %*$! ON THOSE NAPPY HEADED HOE RUTGER GIRLS. FUKK THE PISSIN. THAT'S WHAT THE FUKK I WANNA DO.
Name: cornbread
Comment: IF I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING REAL NASTY AND DIRTY LIKE R KELLY, I WOULD PULL DOWN MY DRAWS AND TAKE A SHIIT ON THOSE NAPPY HEADED HOE RUTGER GIRLS. FUKK THE PISSIN. THAT'S WHAT THE FUKK I WANNA DO.
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: Queenie>not disputing your take on younger people and their thoughts of consequences but again, being older doesn't guarantee much either. There are people who are having sex without concern of the consequences at various ages, look at the rise at HIV and other STD with middle aged men and women. The same goes for drunken driving. The point I feel would be to teach any and everyone to be aware of consequences of actions period, then as you get older you will have the knowlege that gives you the wisdom to make good decisions. I feel the coddling of children and teenagers and acting as if they are too incapable of making decision befitting their true mental capabilities makes them continue to have immature behavior long after they are of age. Even with more knowlege of brain development it's all subjective of what you can and can not learn and process. Again, it's awfully funny if you are a teenager and commit murder or have to go to war all of a sudden you are real darn mature.
Name: Mas90
Comment: Cornbread...he always makes a late appearance to the show then disappears. His comments are always so intriguing and motivational. I can't get enough. Prof. Cornbread.... he yells but he means well.
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: I don't see anyone justifying what R. Kelly did, these comments went off track into sexualy mores and whether it is deviate behavior or behavior between two consenting ADULTS. IMO the other comments are about how cupable a person over 13 but under 18 is, which although we all have our own opinion on how good your decision making process is as a teenager, everyone knows that it really doesn't matter as the law is the law AND R. has issues because he habitually gets with underage girls. If nothing else it does indicate that he more than likely has a problem relating to women his age.
Name: michaelollieclayton
Comment: 13 or 31, the imperative is to reproduce the species despite all laws, all morality, all mores, all norms...that's why the drive is so strong...no matter what, we are still animals in the wild
Name: Kofi
Comment: >queeniebunz, don't let these folks yank your chain. I supervise several HIV programs and you would be surprised at what people find sexual. Some people like to be humiliated by being shyt upon or pis.sed on. They find that sexy. I had an ex gf who tried to broach the idea of me shyting on her. Not my cup of tea!!!! She was normal in every way but, that is what floats her boat. I have run into many many black women who love to be submissive and be dominated in the bedroom. That doesn't mean I dislike women or that they have low self esteem. Different strokes for different folks w/o judgement.
Name: michaelollieclayton
Comment: QUEENIEBUNZ: Thanks for the insightful answer. I imagine there must have been at least ONE boy who maybe, possibly, accidentally, inadvertantly could have motivated you to lose your composure, but you held your own...which is the true mark of a professional. In short, I FEEL YA'...
Name: whynotme
Comment: --->michaelollieclayton queeniebunz showed the true mark of a REAL adult because a REAL adult knows how to shut a child down that is coming on to them instead of saying "well they wanted it and they were coming on to me and seemed like they knew what they were doing"
Name: OSUN
Comment: Call me judgemental but if someone enjoys you defecating on them, something is not right with them plain and simple. That is deviant behavior.
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: CTFU!!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!! Thanks (again) y'all!!!!!!! I LOVE Y'all!!!!!!!!!!! *rushin' to scroll up n' pick up where I left off*
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: whynotme< so the fact that queenie is able to resist pedophilic temptations while at work qualifies her as a real adult? YlawdY< I TOLD YOU I WAS GROWN!
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: See IJA, you DO have good home training...LOL!
Name: OSUN
Comment: Killermeg, I am assuming you are a female by your post. You are truly teaching your sons that girls are the devil, I feel sorry for the women they end up with. You are already setting up in their heads negative preconceived notions about girls/women. Do you have daughters? Neices? What message to you give to them about themselves? Both girls and boys are off the chain. If girls are the devil, boys are what--unsuspecting victims. How about teaching your sons to be personally responsible for their own behavior and no one can entrap you to do things that you know are wrong. I think your %*$ertion that a 14 year old girl, ho/whore or not, is equally responsible with a late 20 early 30s man behavior is ridiculous, antiquated, and just fked up. She is not totally absolved, but give me a break. Will you be one of those women that will say she trapped him, if your son impregnates some teenage girl?
Name: whynotme
Comment: --->ImJustAsking if you resist f*cking a child at work, on the subway, at a restaurant, walking down the street, at the movies, watering your grass, picking your nose....whatever the hell you are doing if a child is making the moves on you and they can break you down then you are not a real adult to me but if you don't agree so be it.
Name: whynotme
Comment: i see nice looking teenage boys all the time but they are just boys.....i guess if one is trying to sex me up then it would be ok for me to do it because he initiated it.....this 31 year old teacher recently was sexing up a 10 year old she used to teach so since he was a willing participant i guess their sex was ok then.
Name: gingerg
Comment: The parents figure the girl was wild and promiscuous anyway, so what the he11? Somebody got paid and well.
Name: Mas90
Comment: Real adult means resisting sex... LOL I guess your doing a whole lot masterbation in between being hit on so much.
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: Actually real adults know the law LOL!
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: sweetiedarlin< very little thouigh! Thanks for noticing!
Name: bigchassie
Comment: DAYUMM!!!YALL GETTIN LIVE UP IN THIS JOINT!! SMH.
Name: Mas90
Comment: Yeah, I definitely wouldn't mess with jail bait. It isn't worth it.
Name: whynotme
Comment: ---:mas90 no sweet cheeks, real adult is not having sex with a CHILD.....there are too many grown men and women out there willing to get down for grown people to be f*cking children.
Name: Mas90
Comment: Whynotme... DUH!
Name: whynotme
Comment: -->mas90 if you knew how to read properly i said a real adult would resist sex with a child not resist sex period like your cissyfied azz tried to imply i was saying.....if you're going to comment at least get it right toot sweet!
Name: YLawdY
Comment: ImJustAsking ....No, no. You've only resisted homicidal temptations at work. You aint grown till the 16 year old on work release from juvie hits on you and you shut him down.
Name: whynotme
Comment: not f*cking children isn't the only thing that make you a real adult but it's one of them....i know people who don't f*ck children but still act like a 12 year old....i'm sure y'all know what i mean but since most people want to justify r kelly doing it you'll resort to anything.
Name: Mas90
Comment: WHYNOTME... Shut up. You and queen are two of the most bycthes this board. I don't know why you waste your time replying.
Name: YLawdY
Comment: I'm curious to know who is justifying what Rrr did. I was busy skimming and must have missed those posts.
Name: whynotme
Comment: --->mas90 what you posted doesn't even make sense, please re-read it and get it right the next time sugar drawz!
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: WhyNotMe and Queenie> I repeat my comment/question: Where is anyone justifying R's behavior? The conversation turned but it but unless I'm missing a whole lot of posts, this is one of the few times people there are not a lot of pro-R posters. BTW while we are at it: true adult behavior allows one to agree to disagree without calling people out their name IMO.
Name: OSUN
Comment: ylawdy i think killermeg could fall under the justification posts.
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: Osun-FYI-It was a joke but on a serious note I being female can read a b*tch. I refuse to let ANYONE especially some young-going-nowhere chick hold my babies back! Now granted I cant stop them from "hookin-up" with them but I as a mother can instill in them to be able to decipher whether a female is going places or just wants to hook up with them to bring them (sons) down. Seen it happen to many times-in my family for one, that a male, athletic male, with opportunity to go places, be brought down by a chick who chased them down, purposely got pregnant and the goals are now a wrap! Yes, the male is obviously weak because his only obligation is to take care of the child but now they have a tiny apartment, she goes through jobs like we change underwear and the rest is history. I'm not saying all females are like that but there are a hell of a lot of them out there who are. So Me saying "I'm teaching my sons that girls are the Devil" is my way to let them know to have their EYES open and not their NOSE! But, thanks for asking though! NEXT................
Name: OSUN
Comment: Killermeg sorry my post offended you so. I will apologize for the part referring to R kelly, but I stick to the other. The athletic males in your family that fell for that are just as responsible. What ever happened to condomns or abstinence. They are more responsible than the chicken head that trapped them b/c they should be more interested in protecting their own future. They asked for the 18 year sentence, did the girl force them to ejaculate into that girl.
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: Osun-And you want me to give you a break for that little Ho yes I said Ho being with a GROWN AZZ MAN-Ask her parents for one!
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: YlawdY< 16 year old on work release. Sounds yummy.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >whynotme / michaelollieclayton - let me be more clear. People I knew, say at the gym, always males, usually had teacher/student fantasies of their own, asked me if I was attracted to my students. My students knew better than to THINK about saying anything inappropriate around me. I was very cool/sarcastic/laid back but I was EXTREMELY professional. I acted much older than I was to the point where when I did admit to my kids that I was only 21, they were shocked because I acted like such an oldhead. I didn't mind though. It is a very good thing to be respected and regarded so highly by teens. We were actually warned in college during student teaching about anything even being perceived as inappropriate and I heeded their warnings. I was told to never be alone with a student - male or female because even females could accuse you of something and it would be your word against theirs. I was told to keep my door open if a student did stay after class. I took it further and stayed on my side of the table and they stayed on theirs. I was told to not touch them AT ALL - no hugs, no arms around a shoulder - NOTHING. All that went out the window when I taught my 6th graders and they were babyfied and would just run up and hug you. I know they thought I was cold at first but I had been drilled not to do anything that could even be perceived as shady so I didn't. I did allow them to hug me, but it was always with everyone right there and no one could say anything...
Name: reno112303
Comment: There is NOTHING funny about sex abuse of a child. Newflash: A child CANNOT consent to sex with an adult. I don't care what it looked like she was enjoying. SHE WAS A CHILD!!!!!!!!!!!!Give me a FLIPPIN break. He's a GOTDAMM PERVERT, and it makes me sick that people would rather take $$ than have his sorry a$$ put in jail FROM NOW ON!!!!!!!!!!! Were it my child, I'd be in jail, and he'd be in HELL. Do you realize how easy it is for a 14 year old to be manipulated by an ADULT man????? Hell, grown women are manipulated by men, so why would you expect a CHILD to know how to handle that type of situation? A teenage girl might be a match for a teenage boy, but a seasoned, old as %*$!(. YEAH, I said!!! And, to be called a "HO" for being molested by a grown a$$, pervert, who has done this shi+ PLENTY of times before???? COME ON, PEOPLE. We are not talking about two 14 year old KIDS. We're talking about a GROWN A$$ MAN!!!! Aliyah's parents should have had his black a$$ put UNDER THE JAIL when he married her. And, another thing: How old do you think Alyiah was when he started having sex with her? HUH??? He married her when she was 15, so how old do you think she was when he started screwing her little child vagina???!!!!! 13?? 14??? Was she a "HO?" HUH?? I've never heard anyone refer to her as that, so why this CHILD on the tape? Do you think he waited until AFTER he married Aliyah before he started sticking his GROWN MAN PENIS IN HER!!!???????? Anyone who wants to blame that child for this should be ashamed. FOR REAL. Go talk to someone who's experienced this, and thank God that it never happened to YOUR CHILD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: Osun and Killermeg for more on that topic check the article in September Essence pg. 150 the under 'On His Mind'...It's a fine Football players take on the whole groupie thing.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: ...I did work with teachers who flirted with students and got hit on and liked it. One student actually told this teacher she had a big azz and she just smiled. I would have carted his behind down to the principal's office with a suspension paper in hand but she liked the attention. My thing was this - if they don't respect you and treat you like a peer, you won't get through to them so I stayed professional. Unfortunately, there ARE teachers out here who have never gotten out of adolescence developmentally and they prey on kids - male and female...like that chick w/a 10 year old boy. I cannot even fathom such a thing anymore than I could understand Mary Kay Letourneau 11 years ago w/her 6th grade student she had 2 babies by. She was 34. I am 34 and can't relate to a 26 year old. I look at a 11-12 year old and still smell Similac on them... I don't get it...
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: 3rd post about posters defending R, I think I'm in the Twilight Zone or losing vision because aside from possibly Killmeg who has since clarified, who's defending R???? Okay I'll let it go, perhaps my perception is off today...
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: I love you Mas!
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: Osun-Again your gettin it f*cked up! I said IF HE GOES DOWN SO SHOULD SHE! Please tell me where I said it was ok for him to p-i-s-s on and screw the little ho!
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: IJA-Your crazy as hell! LOL, yummy
Name: Snicker
Comment: --->killermeg i see you are going to add to the population of men who don't take responsibility for their actions.....i feel sorry for your sons to get the advice that you are giving them.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >SweetieD - I say that people are justifying his actions and maybe that is the wrong wording. What I really mean is that they are acting like a 14-15 year old has any culpability in the situation when she's dealing with a man 30+. I don't see it. She is an adolescent GIRL in the midst of puberty BUT she is still a GIRL. The guy I went to prom w/ - I think he is in jail right now. He was a middle school teacher in DC. His student got his cell number I guess she flirted with him and I guess he liked it because they had sex in Mont Co, PG Co and in DC. He was arrested in 3 different jurisdictions and charged. He plead no contest and got locked up. Imagine my surprise in seeing his behind on the news! I hadn't seen him in 10 year until then and even then only saw him in passing. I was like YIKES! And I can understand someone saying, well, she pursued him because to according to the case, she did pursue him but he's 30+ and she's 14. He should have called her mama and changed his phone number. He is the adult and the educator. The point is that as the adult, you are to guide children, not exploit and since you are older and have the benefit of age, knowledge, experience you SHOULD be held accountable.
Name: Mas90
Comment: Love ya 2 Killermeg!
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >reno112303 - we are so on the same page here!
Name: bigchassie
Comment: *busting in with 2 large bottles of prime sip-sip* OKAY YALL, IT'S GOTTEN HOT UP IN DIS HERE CAMP! WHO WANTS SIP-SIP? BELEIVE ME, YALL NEED IT!....BADLY!...VERY BADLY! TIME TO CHILL!!
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: Queeniebunz> I do agree that as adults we do have the responsibility to do the right thing period. Your points about the expectations of teachers and actually anyone dealing with children is definately on point. The main problems is that a lot of adults don't know their responsibility or refuse to take responsibility in tempting situations. The other point I was making about teens is that they should also be taught responsibility and take responsibility (but definately the ADULT is the decision maker in these situations so regardless if the chick or guy is buck naked, is whispering all kinds of sexy stuff and looks over 18.) Other posters I guess are also concerned that a teen even be in a situation such as R. Kelly, yes there are a lot of fast girls out there and it actually is nothing new, but the adult just still 'just say no' and certainly not as in R's case actively pursue young girls. In R's case the point of fast girls actually doesn't even apply as he usually got the girls with low self esteem and taught them to his specifications if you know what I mean. R actually would be afraid of a real 'fast' girl because her mind would be above his 13 year old mental capacity.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: SweetieD - You said, "I feel the coddling of children and teenagers and acting as if they are too incapable of making decisions befitting their true mental capabilities makes them continue to have immature behavior long after they are of age." I totally agree with you. I really do. HOWEVER - children/teenagers need a lot of supervision in their lives BECAUSE if they did what they wanted, they wouldn't do homework, they would drink, do drugs, have sex, they would cut class, and they would basically do whatever feels good regardless of the consequences. I saw this while teaching. The kids who had no supervision were buckwild! They were so far out there that you couldn't bring them back. Kids need guidance. They need to be taught to make responsible decisions. When they aren't taught to think for themselves and that they will face consequences, you are right - they don't grow up. Kids who don't have supervision / guidance crave it. I've heard them say they wished their parents cared enough to care where they are all hours of the night or cared that they missed 21 days of school in a semester. These are the types of girls who will be swayed by an R Kelly type who gives them "love" and affection. These are the ones who are damaged and get damaged further by the men who prey on them. They are not responsible. The adults in their lives are responsible. Period.
Name: eternallife
Comment: I got to pee pee now
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: sweetiedarlin< which football player is it? I think ybf was talking about Will Demps loving groupies or something. He's not foine to me.
Name: asize12
Comment: *coming from Lurkerville* LMAO @ momma chass! While also high fiving reno! You said everything that I would've said, no need for me to comment on the issue now...
Name: bigchassie
Comment: ETERNAL>now try not to pee on anybody! lol!
Name: bigchassie
Comment: ASIZE>chile did you bring a chaser for this sip-sip? nah, this is a heavy post. they need to drink it straight out the bottle! lol!
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: IJA, it is Will Demps. Actually the article came off just a little whiney but it could be me.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >SweetieD - after reading your post, I guess you and I ended up in a similar chapter if not on the same page! :)...I know people on here joke a lot and that's okay but I guess I care about people. I REALLY care about children because they need it. The worst thing you can do, in my opinion, is prey on someone weaker than you. That includes children, the elderly, the disabled, and animals. It's just barbaric and inhuman to do that. It infuriates me. It further infuriates me when a person actually has the nerve to blame the prey. A 13 yr old girl/boy goes on the internet and gets into a chat room w/a 56 year old man. He/she meets and has sex w/that man. Of course the man is responsible and should be killed 15 ways and buried under a jail but so are the parents. Why weren't they monitoring his/her internet access? Why weren't they snooping into the history file to see what is going on in cyberspace on that computer? Why didn't they know where their child was while he/she was out having sex with a perverted old man? Were they too busy working? Were they too busy being self-absorbed? Were they too into each other and their fabulous middle class life? They are responsible for protecting their child from predators!
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: Snicker-I'm not even going to justify that with a response.
Name: OSUN
Comment: killermeg calm your azz down and see that I apologized to you on the R Kelly statement. It obviously wasnt a joke as you said or you wouldn't still be harping on it.
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: Osun-I'm over it. I'm just tryin to figure out how I can get some of that sizzzurp bigchass gat! LOL
Name: bigchassie
Comment: *quickly hands Killermeg and osun some sip-sip* Here! yall drink this! calm ya nerves! and it's after 4:00.
Name: OSUN
Comment: No problem Killermeg, I am getting laid off in 60 days. My boss took us to dinner and let us order what we wanted. He encouraged me to order the Apple Martini that I wanted so I got my sip sip.
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: QueenieBunz, the passion is always there, at the very least you feel strongly about many things which is needed as too many people are apathetic about life. You remind me a lot of one of my closest girlfriends, many of the points you have made on various topics are the same she and I discuss.
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: Thanks Bigchass & Osun-you should of ordered a couple of long islands and said oops i thought it was tea! LOL
Name: bigchassie
Comment: *rasies glass to queeniebunz,Sweetiedarlin and Osun* Here! Here! *takes a sip*
Name: TesticAl
Comment: Yo Kofi, hook me up with bich that wanted you to shyt on her. Does she like younger dudes?
Name: bigchassie
Comment: KILLERMEG>*gives her another glass and winks* dis here is my special one! enjoy1
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: Testical-your a mess! LOL Bigchass is that "good" special stuff or should I wonder if I'll be wake after my virtual sip? LOL
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: Oh LAWDY! Testi> I. Don't. Even. Want. To. Imagine!! EEEEGAAAAAAD! plus wouldn't that take a really long time> OOOOO! forget I have thought about it. BTW that allegedly isn't as usual as one would think, however for me any waste-oriented bodily fluid hits me and it is on and not in a nice way.
Name: bigchassie
Comment: well shoot, since it's after 4:30 here is my two cents to put in this hot pot: you do wrong, you go down! that's it. no ifs ands or butts. that's my takes. Foxxy Brown got stupid, she went down, Micheal Vick did stupid, he goes down, R-uh Kelly do wrong, he goes down too.
Name: bigchassie
Comment: *BURP* pardon oui. *lightly pats mouth with hand*
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: If you really want to see what the freaky deaky of us is up to read Dan Savage's column: Savage Love---talk about bizzaro stuff.
Name: bigchassie
Comment: KILLER>oh it's all good sweetie. believe me, you will be feeling righteous after a few sips. lol!
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: Bigchass-its 4:30 here too and I cant believe this is the only board I was on ALL day! I aint read sh*t else! Nother drink please! I'm feelin ahhizzle! LOL
Name: bigchassie
Comment: SWEETIEDARLIN>DAN SAVAGE?? WHAT SIGHT IS THAT ON??
Name: bigchassie
Comment: KILLERMEG>*pours her another glass* here you go, sweetie. good stuff, huh?
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: Damn Bigchass quit teasin me! Sweetie-who's Dan Savage?
Name: SweetieDarlin
Comment: He's a gay columnist that writes for various newpapers throughout the country, in Chicago his column is in the reader, I believe in New York the Village Voice, the Stranger in Seattle but you can get his column online at Savage Love, they'll give you the letters from the Stranger newspaper.
Name: Marlin
Comment: it should be allowed to be seen!...but uuuuh. too late! i saw that dip-crap a loooong time ago humping on that fast little girl. he needs to go to jail, regardles of the pay off. that little girl (who is grown now) has no strong hold on the law.....if she lies....she goes to jail too. and answer for her booming income...explain to the IRS how she got a Benzo!
Name: TesticAl
Comment: KILLERMEG, I'm being serious. LOL! SweetieDarlin, you said "EGAD"! LMMFBAO! I haven't heard that since I was watching the Cartoon Network when Rocky & Bullwinkle came on!
Name: bigchassie
Comment: SWEETIEDARLIN>oh cool! we'll have to check him out. *gives killermeg bottle* here you go. last call for alcolhol. yall, i'm out. yall can start the fun all over again! ain't no tellin what the hot topic will be tomorrow. Eddie and Scary, maybe??
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: I LOVE SAVAGE LOVE. He also is run in the DC city paper.
Name: ImJustAsking
Comment: sweetie< essence isn't known for its writing. lol Someone told me I should start submitting articles since I complain but they would probably edit me into crap.
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: Bye Bigchass/all! Till tomorrow.......
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