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nightshift
Comment: If he was a real man, he'd not just whipped her a$$, he'd have waited with jer for the cops. I love Jesus, but I hope this wasn't the man she prayed for.
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Kaya
Comment: ...And while it's not entirely clear what the couple was fighting about. Some people close to Juanita have reached out to MediaTakeOut.com with their own theories. The insiders all claim that Juanita was upset with her husband's uncomfortably close relationships with a few men in his church...
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Kaya
Comment: WWJD?
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fuzzygoss
Comment: I don't care if she was calling him Twinkie at the top of her lungs, as a man, he was out of line making physical contact with her. There is no justification and that theory about provocation with be tossed out of my court room. Women let this be a lesson learned, THE LAST WORD MIGHT JUST BE YOUR LAST WORD. So, when you're mouthing off, think of Juanita Bynum and let a man walk away which I gather what he was attempting to do. >>>But who knows. Maybe Thomas(ina) **giggles** was running to hitch a ride with his lover. We will never know the truth because this world is full of games. >>>Barring religion, that bougoise (sp?) ceremony was a telling sign the marriage was built on a materialistic, shallow, unsecure foundation and thus it was doomed from the outset. >>>The community wants to know what kind of reconciling was taking place at 4am???>>>>Those two "saints" better join hands in prayer and concoct a credible story before a third, fourth, fifth party starts singing louder than a caged bird. >>>Lawd Have Mercy if it isn't one thing it's bound to be another. >>>
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nightshift
Comment: In the name of Terry Mcmillan, didn't these women see this coming? If she just now noticed it, 20 people in the church know the facts!!
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fuzzygoss
Comment: ^^^Of course. The signs, if not there early on, surface in due time. However, the heart can be a lonely and blinding place.
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DonJuan
Comment: I hope she recovers and puts him in jail where he belongs. Great example for those you would like to introduce to Jesus though. Nothing like church members beating each other up and yelling in a parking lot to bring people to christ. What a joke! Even before this both of them should be ashamed of themselves.
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fuzzygoss
Comment: DonJuan^^ You know I emailed the story to my list, a majority "christians" only two had comments. I don't expect the other holier than thous to be able to explain this so called worldly behavior so I am going to charge it to the game. LOL!!!
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BlkATLTop
Comment: It's over for him as a pastor. He will be downgraded to doing prison ministry outreach for the rest of his career. Bynum on the other hand will emerge from this as being this anointed (probably the most overused, misused word among blk church folks today)woman. Being the pimpette that she truly is, be on the lookout for new CDs, books and seminars (entitled Single and Beatdown or Single Sassy and Beatdown) coming to a city near you in 2008
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Selah
Comment: I wonder which lawyer will defend this fool? No excuse for junping on your woman.
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bigheadbull2
Comment: If you blink your eyes real quick..she looks like Temeka Foster
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leeneepoo
Comment: BIG>>>that was hilarious......but what happen to the 4am incident now it's 10:30pm???
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ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: And WEAKs series will be entitled------ "Pile driver, choke hold and Drop kick: Learn how to be a bishop, husband, and pro wrestler is one day! Only $69.99+ shipping and handling for the first DVD. Call in the next 15 minutes & you get the bonus music CD, "Smack it up, flip it, make me wanna Stomp!", featuring OJ Simpson on background vocals. Call now...1-800-Beat-M-UP *$.99/per minute*
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TampaC
Comment: Bridezillas gone wild! lol
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mat212
Comment: Wow. Now THIS is "deep". It is SOOOO layered. I have NO idea why he put his hands on her....but I wonder if SHE does. We'll never know will we? Ahhh....the wonderful and expanding culture of christianity. Now you can beat women!! (extremely feminine voice but male): Praissse the Lord Saintss!!
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McNasty
Comment: So, it appears there was no aggression on her part - he turned back to get her! Nightshift you know when we want something bad enough we can see and sense all kinds of red flags poppin' up but we don blinders. Beat downs and whatever leads up to them aren't something that just up and happen - there were signs.
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tsktsk01
Comment: WWJD? He didn't have anything to do with that marriage or that beating nor did the devil. We have free will and honestly all of that is the result of human will from the decision to marry a man whose divorce from the first wife was still fresh to her publicist's decision to release photos of the wounds to TMZ.com -- photos her sister took and not the police b/c by their own admission 'Nita left the hospital without letting them take official photos. WWJD?! He'd call us all a generation of vipers and tell us to depart out of his face b/c he never knew us...
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: C'mon now...He wasn't putting his hands on her he was laying his hands on her...And that's a big difference...However, I ain't never heard of the of laying feets on a person...Chocbrwngal..You wrong for that..LMBAO...Yo maybe he thought Satan had pocessed her and was trying to beat the devil outta her...We've all seen when pastors lay hands on people...they sometimes fall to the floor...Izzat what happened here?...Look all joking aside, this is a serious issue...No man should be beating up on women...That sh1t ain't right...I just can't help thinking somebody gonna post some funny azz sh1t 'bout this and it ain't funny but...but like BLKATL posted this is sure to be fodder for some book and lecture...Maybe even a church play...Imma stop 'cus I can feel some funny sh1t comming and I can't do it..Won't do it..cause that sh1t in self ain't funny but..nah...uh,uh,...
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Anybody that gets on myspace 2 days after an azz whippin is a publicity whore plain and simple. And it is so.
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CRENEEJ
Comment: it's not funny, but it definitely sheds some light on so-called Christians. And I don't believe for one second that nothing precipitated this. Now, don't get me wrong. it's wrong to %*$ault anyone, man or woman, but since none of us were there, we have no way of knowing what went down prior to him whuppin her azzzzz. i agree with u tsktsk. Let's not call God into it when it's obvious He wasn't part of it to begin with.
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tsktsk01
Comment: IJA, I couldn't agree with you more. She had two ways to play this out and one was to issue a simple statement saying that she was being quiet at this time and sorry that her personal life was made public. Or she can go the route she went... This is a book and more popularity waiting to happen for 'Nita.
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CRENEEJ
Comment: good point IJA. i would love to see what the next series she puts out will be about. it would be great to see her rise above this, but first she needs to take some type of ownership too. i'll bet the only reason they stayed in this is for appearances. so many women want to be married these days, they want to see someone who is, and she probably made a killing off of sharing her , "even in my 40s, God provided this man for me" story.... for 29.95 i can show you how to do it too.
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Vanity
Comment: ImJustAsking~ You hit the nail on the head! I have not heard from my ultra holy Juanita Bynum lovin sister in law... I was getting some kinda "religious" email from her 'er day, don't get all quiet now!!!
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khufu
Comment: Okay yester the story was..."he walked a way and went to the parking lot and she followed him." LOL That's not what he says in the update. DId the attack occur in the parking lot? DId she follow him?
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khufu
Comment: and now the time has changed too! Is this spin or is it clarification? Based on what I saw on TV news yesterday: it's spin.
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moodring100
Comment: Juanita Bynum BEATING UPDATE?Come on Eurweb
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khufu
Comment: IJA"s comment about a publicity whore is what my friend at TBN said about Sister Bynum....it's all about her and her "career"...any opportunity is one to move her forward...
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khufu
Comment: and no comments on the rumor that she may have possibly been talking to some men, huh?
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mat212
Comment: Vanity? i'm a fan are you? (everyone else "tork amangst yersellves!")
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tsktsk01
Comment: Any takers? The title of the next series is NO MORE FISTS and she'll be on the cover of Essence's February Love Issue: "Love Hurts, Juanita Bynum Breaks Her Silence"
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realuvbaby
Comment: Haven't we been warned of "false prophets? Exhibit A. I mean, if you truly have faith [and I'm a faith work in progress myself] you know the battle is not your's, it's the Lords. I mean, it's not a fight between Juanita and Tom, it's a battle of their spirits. Darkness cannot exist with light. You're either light OR dark. What seems to be the case here is that because of their lack of self-control and their inability to turn to Christ to work out their differences, they took maters into their own hands. Now, not only are the two of them being judged, it's Christianity. True followers are human too, but God speaks through the heart. And judging from the smackdown at the Renaissance, God was there, but he wasn't in the fight. He's just trying to get both their attention. YOU ARE NOT WHO YOU THINK YOU ARE. And that's just not a Christian issue. It's a human issue. We must NEVER elevate anyone to the level of idolotry. You can make money, marriage, your check, your man, your kids your idols. God hates idolatry. You may fool 4 billion people but you cannot fool God. This man of God and this woman of God can save others, but they cannot save themselves. False prophets. And remember, if Jesus is there, Satan is there, too. That's why we struggle. That's why you cannot go around violating people and when you do and break the law, you go to jail. Humility is the Order of the day. I continue to say, folk just need to stop lying and fronting. It is what it is. Now look.
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yonkewi
Comment: This is just a damn shame, i hope he does time and someone beats his %*$ in prison. I have 0 respect for a man that puts his hand on a woman, what kind of mother did he have growing up, sorry pathetic excuse for a man. I wish Juanita all the best!!
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4mybabygirl
Comment: Like another poster said this is definately not the first time. There had to be signs or something. It is amazing of what some of the strongest of women will put up with! I guess the money and congregation goes to Juanita now. Weeks is going to fulfil his deepest fantasy. (A prison b*tch!)
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PRDC
Comment: Could someone shed some light on this...I heard thru the grapevine that she took him from his wife and children.....
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WordUp
Comment: realluvbaby, YOU SAID IT! I agree one thousand percent. That is the TRUTH of the matter.
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realuvbaby
Comment: This is the very first commandment, I don't believe it's an accident: And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God… ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me. I believe that's why some of us get in trouble in life. Looking for love in all the wrong places. As far as I can see, a sista need to check her NEEDS. If you really feel you NEED a husband and nothing's happenin, then you will go with wha'ts available. Call yourself helping God and say "GOD SENT HIM TO ME"; when actually that wasn't God at all. It was the lust which caused the desperation; when you are desperate you're begin to think that what's before you is MEANT for you, even though the orchestra is playing in the background and Spike Lee is directing. But you NEED a husband so you put your blinders and earphones in and proceed. Two years later, it's like WTF? Who are you? I believe Tom was always Tom and Juanita was always Juanita. It's sad, but I repeat, humility is the order of the day. What goes up, must come down. If it has any integrity, it will last. If it doesn't, it will fail and fall. Every time. Who God has put together who no man put asunder. Whom God has put together NOBODY OR NO THING CAN OR WILL COME BETWEEN THEM AND DIVIDE THEM. And those are the couples that last. But God doesn't put all of us together. It's our lusts. It feels so good, we think it's God. These two made a "spectacle" of themselves, now their marriage seems like a "farce". Two fallen people, but they need forgiveness. All you people who put so much trust in people, trust me, it's the message, not the messenger. If we trust the message and not the messenger, our hearts won't be broken and we won't be disappointed when those whom we have believed in has failed us.
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sclady
Comment: I think if he goes down (loses everything), he's going to try and take her with him. He'll probably say a lot of private/personal things about her that may tarnish her "image"...that's why I don't think he'll go to jail, he might get probation/community service.
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realuvbaby
Comment: The 10 Commandments -The 10 Commandments are found in the Bible's Old Testament at Exodus, Chapter 20. They were given directly by God to the people of Israel at Mount Sinai after He had delivered them from slavery in Egypt: "And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God… ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.' TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.' THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.' FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.' FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.' SIX: 'You shall not murder.' SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.' EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.' NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.' TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.' The 10 Commandments - Christ's Summation in the New Testament. About 1,400 years later, the 10 Commandments were summed up in the New Testament at Matthew 22, when Jesus was confronted by the religious "experts" of the day: "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:36-40).**** When you think it, this about covers all the issues we have in life. If those two prophets were living the 10, they'd know mainly that when you love something or someone, you don't intentionally hurt them.
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bigheadbull2
Comment: IJA... i2i that is just what she is. The absolute nerve, cd,dvd combo-pack coming to a blockbuster near you LOL
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TGen
Comment: Didn't get to read all the comments yet, but McNasty yours points out what I found curious about this new article. How can the guy "walk out to the parking lot...and turn back and attack her" if she is NOT in the parking lot also? Did the incident not happen in the parking lot? The only way this makes sense is if Bynum did indeed follow him out there...given that he did in fact walk away from the "dinner." So it seems to me the person who wrote this latest article (which appears to be VERY influenced by Bynum'publicist) has a much more biased angle than did the previous writer...or maybe it's the same person who changed his mind? I don't know...but I what I DO know is this article does not make sense. Anywho, this story is EVERYWHERE and I think that's unfortunate. Hell, I even heard Michael Baisden's show putting out a call for info, lol. Errybody all in these folks' business. That's got to be so hard on these folks...they both have to be embarrassed out of their minds. SMH
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ilovemypublicist
Comment: No one should be hurt but it is a blessing in disguise. I hope she uses this %*$ault to leverage her alimony payments and sell more books and cds.
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TGen
Comment: IJA, soooo right. My thoughts exactly. When I read that part about her azz getting on Myspace, I thought that was extra tacky. Then again, I can't say I'm surprised about it; I called this lady's card a long time ago. *Disclaimer: Not being a religious supporter of Bynum in no way, shape, or form says I condone the beating, absolutely no. Okay end disclaimer, lol*
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ATLGirl
Comment: To Everyone--> Yesterday, Ms.Bynam was referred to as Reverend. I recall her being called a Prophetess. I saw no mention of this in the posted comments section so I'm asking today, what is the difference between a Prophetess and a Reverend?
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tsktsk01
Comment: He just turned himself into the police. He's in custody.
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gingerg
Comment: I cosign realluvbaby this morning. You are speaking the truth. And people in the church need to stop trying to make single women feel like
lepers.
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Southernbelle
Comment: CBG> Girl you're wrong for that!!! LMAO. Juanita dear, I'm going to send to you my copy of "To Blessed to be Stressed" I think you need it more than I do.
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gingerg
Comment: Also, some are so desperate that they will settle for anything and then try to act uppity. I work with a woman whose husband looks like something that should be locked in a zoo and can't keep a job if his life depended on it. She's always going on about how she " was once a single person" and feels so sorry for singles. I'm like WTF?
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tsktsk01
Comment: ATLGirl, a reverend is a licensed title and prophetess is some mess black folks have come up with to call a woman who claims to hear from God...
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: >>> ImJustAsking.. She's a "publicity whore" For putting out a statement on her MySpace ? I think that's a very unfair statement to make. She knows that people were concerned about her, so what's wrong with issuing a statement for the benefit of your well-wishers and supporters? That doesn't make her a publicity whore! Good grief. These people usually have a staff member that update their Myspace page for them anyway, so for all we know, she didnt do it herself... she may have just verbally authorized them to put that statement up on her behalf. Nothing wrong with that. White people have their "publicists" make statements for them all the time without being called publicity whores. People need to stop being so harsh and judgmental, for real.
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tsktsk01
Comment: Hey ya'll scroll up, HE'S IN JAIL NOW.
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TheBrownOne
Comment: I was taught and still firmly believe that a man should NEVER EVER hit a LADY, but if a woman hits me, then she's not a LADY. Moral of the story.....Men and women should keep their hands to themselves cause we are Equals so women shouldn't play second citizens when it's convenient.....walking away then coming back to %*$ault her makes absolutely no sense.....she definitely incited that riot....plus it looks like it was two women fighting anyway.....so it was just a cat fight...lol
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gingerg
Comment: And Weeks had the nerve to write a book called "Teach Me How To Love You." I'm certain it doesn't include stomping my azz whenever you feel like it.
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oshun
Comment: >>fuzzygoss: a woman doesn't have to "mouth off" to be a victim of domestic abuse. the last straw in my marriage was when my ex yanked me from sleep out of bed and proceeded to throw me across the room. note: i was alseep!
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tsktsk01
Comment: Dr. Smooth, I am a publicist and those of us who uphold the ethics of our profession know that there is a way to address any situation. You're absolutely right about her freedoms, HOWEVER, spin is spin. And a simple statement was not the only thing issued. There were the photos of the wounds and bruises that were released to TMZ and other sources when the police never took the photos of her, a publicist did that. The constant reitterance of the fight being an attack by her camp... She is a publicity hungry sister and has built a fortune on it, but there is a way to use it when you're genuine and a way to use it when you want to get paid... She wants to be paid.
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gingerg
Comment: I don't know that I would call the woman a publicity whore just yet, but she is a businesswoman with a brand and she needs to protect it. If I had bought one of their tapes/books, I would be trying to get a refund right now and hollering about fraud. How you gonna tell me how to act when you are obviously clowing in your own marriage? And I paid you for that information? Please.
Anyway, I agree that domestic violence does not have to be provoked. That is a common excuse that is used to justify something that should never happen under any circumstances.
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RealSmiles
Comment: I'm more disappointed that Prophetess Bynum didn't whoop the devil out her husband or at least shoe whipped him. On a more serious and somber note, I don't condomn any man physically %*$aulting a woman the way it was reported Rev Weeks did but I also want to know what happened to cause that brother to snap like that. Ain't no way you're going to have a million dollar wedding ( I was one who saw that very publicized over the top affair), only to have your marriage end with a very publicized beating. There's three sides to this story and so far I'm only hearing one. I'm going to wait on the truth and that will be a long wait.
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fuzzygoss
Comment: >>>Oshun I said nothing about women mouthing off being victims. >>>> I simply made my point, in this case stated my opinnion which was>>>>"Women let this be a lesson learned, THE LAST WORD MIGHT JUST BE YOUR LAST WORD. So, when you're mouthing off, think of Juanita Bynum and let a man walk away" >>>>The MORAL BEING, some things are better left unsaid and dealt with in a reasonable manner when BOTH parties are rational. >>>
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TGen
Comment: Tsktsks01, I don't know a lot about Juanita Bynum, but my "spirit" tells me your post is on point, lol. Just going off my instincts, I think you're right on time with your %*$essment...
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fuzzygoss
Comment: Link to the surrender>>>>>http://www.ajc.com/metro/ content/metro/atlanta/stories/2007/08/22/bynum_0823.ht ml?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab
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Stephanie
Comment: IJA, I totally agree with you. I'm simply not buying it was all him. I think she made it out to more than what it was. She is getting ready to start a new acting gig right??? I just believe she is extremely angry and crazy! No, it does not justify him hitting her but I wasn't there and didn't see what happened, I'm going with him! I've seen her dramatics and I think her story is all bullshyt!
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: TSKTSK... Im not trying to be her public defender,but just so you know, the pics were taken by her sister, not a "publicist". Besides, I saw those photos on a bunch of websites, including TMZ, so I cant assume they were released to TMZ itself, unless you know otherwise. I'm not sure releasing those pics to the media was a good idea, but I don't know if it rises to the "publicity whore" level.
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CRENEEJ
Comment: it's never right to hit anyone, man, woman, or child. although i haven't heard about mike vick, so maybe people are waking up and seeing that %*$aulting a woman is more severe than worrying about some dammmm dog. on the other hand, terroristic threats. we'd all be in jail, if we got caught sayin some of the stuff we say, so next time i fight with my hubby, i'm gonna make sure i don't say that one... and if she wanted to keep it private, why make a statement on myspace???
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: There are several lessons to be learned in all of this. Two are:
We need to re-examine our standards.
There's an unspoken rule in the community which suggests that black
women should settle for ANY man if it
means that they can get married and
have the validations (official seal of
approval) that comes with being a wife.
Then, you maintain no matter what.
Living a lie will destroy your spirit.
An authentic life is so much better.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: and >>> TSK.. you think her "camp" is wrong to reiterate that she was not "fighting" but was attacked? Get real! Whats wrong with trying to clear your good name if your being publicly mischaracterized as fighting when you were not? Millions of people had read/heard that she was fighting with her husband. A lot of people were saying they were disappointed that she would be "fighting" and provoking her husband etc.. so her "camp" wants to make it clear it was not a fight but an attack. An Atlanta police spokesman also said they consider it to be an attack, not a fight. So whats your issue with that? I think some of you folks are just grasping at straws. Lets wish the woman well, instead of kicking her while she's down. Peace.
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Name:
KeepItReal
Comment: I highly doubt Rev. Bynum herself, updated her MySpace page. I'm sure it was done by one of her staffer. I think we're being way too harsh on her. Domestic violence affects women from all walks of life. It is never acceptable. Regardless of how people feel about her personally this woman was attacked by husband and justice should be served.
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Angel
Comment: From the AJC: Thomas W. Weeks, the 54-year-old bishop who shares an international ministry with estranged wife Juanita Bynum, surrendered to Atlanta police Friday on charges that he %*$aulted his wife. An initial hearing is scheduled for 11 a.m. at the Fulton County Jail. He made no statement when he walked into the jail with an attorney Friday morning. Bynum, a fiery national evangelist whose sermons empower women to walk away from dead-end relationships, was allegedly struck by her husband Tuesday in a hotel parking lot after the pair had dinner together. Police said Bynum, 48, has been whisked away by family as they decide what to do next. A lawyer for Weeks said he will continue his ministry and try to reconcile with his wife after the allegations are dealt with. "He is extremely sad over the events that have taken place," said Edward Garland, one of the two attorneys representing Weeks. "I think there is hope on his part that the relationship can get past these difficult moments. "He has never had any accusation of any sort like this from her or anyone esle," said Garland. "There are a lot of circumstances surrounding these events that will be explained at a later time. He is turning it over to the court system at this point.' Bynum and Weeks are co-founders of Global Destiny Church in Duluth. They were married in 2002 in a lavish televised wedding that featured a 7.76-carat diamond ring. They separated three months ago, said Bynum's sister, Tina Culpepper. According to an Atlanta police incident report, Bynum said her husband "choked her, pushed her down, kicked and stomped her." She told police Weeks "continued stomping" her into the ground until a hotel bell man pulled him away. Police also said Weeks threatened Bynum's life. Culpepper said the couple was meeting for dinner at Concorde Grill in the Renaissance Concourse Hotel near Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport Tuesday night. Police said the couple had met to work out their differences. Things soured, and Weeks walked out to the parking lot about 10:30 p.m., police said. He then turned back around and attacked her, said Officer Ron Campbell. Weeks also threatened Bynum's life during the attack, police said. "Anytime you tell a person, 'I'm going to kill you,' that moves it up to a felony," Campbell said.
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Angel
Comment: From the AJC (cont'd): The bruises found on Bynum also were serious enough to bring felony aggravated %*$ault charges against Weeks. In a comment posted on her MySpace page, the Pentecostal evangelist said, "I am currently recovering from all of my injuries and resting well ... this too shall pass." Her publicist, Amy Malone, said Bynum wants to keep the matter private. "People are interpreting it to mean the two of them were fighting," Malone said. "They were not fighting. She was %*$aulted." Clergy across metro Atlanta said they were saddened by the news of the public beating of Bynum, a respected "prophetess" whose star rose under the leadership of Bishop T.D. Jakes. Bynum is one of the leading speakers at Megafast, which has attracted hundreds of thousands of people to metro Atlanta in recent years. Mixing love and ministerial work can take its toll on relationship for pastors with successful followings, clergy say. "It is tremendously hard to balance a relationship," said the Rev. Cynthia L. Hale, pastor of Ray of Hope Christian Church. "If you happen to be more successful than your spouse or make more money or have greater prestige that is where the challenge comes in. There are many men who are secure in life, but there are also men who are insecure and they have struggled with having their wives [or girlfriends] excel in ways they don't." Weeks has retained two lawyers: the well-known Garland, who in the past has represented NFL star Ray Lewis in his murder trial and millionaire James Sullivan, who ordered the murder of his socialite wife; and Louis Tesser. The couple had a home in Duluth, Culpepper said. Upon their separation, Bynum moved to Waycross, where her administrative offices are located. Members of a Georgia non-profit group, Love for All People, were working late Thursday to hire two bodyguards to protect Bynum. Culpepper said Bynum was appreciative but that it would not be necessary. Word of the public fight spread to clergy across metro Atlanta who have either met the couple or know of them.
Once a homemaker, a hairdresser and a flight attendant, Bynum's big break came when televangelist Bishop T.D. Jakes invited her to speak at one of his conferences several years ago. Jakes, who has worked closely with Bynum, had no comment, his spokeswoman said. Operators at Bynum's ministry in Waycross, Juanita Bynum Ministries, asked the public "to be in prayer for her." Culpepper, Bynum's sister, said she is keeping her sister company through this difficult time. "She is resting well and healing of all the injuries," Culpepper said. "The injuries are not just physical."
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Snicker
Comment: y'all people on this board kill me....now if this was someone you liked there would be no excuse for the man beating her but since it's clear a lot of you don't care for juanita bynum it's her fault that her husband beat her.....when other people that you guys like do stuff to make money or for publcity y'all agree with it.....if this was someone a lot of you liked she could have followed the man to the parking lot, jumped on this back, and bit his ear off and y'all would still say he shouldn't have touched her but since it's someone you don't like she deserved what she got....i hate double standards!
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BlkATLTop
Comment: Doctorsmooth- would "money whore" be more accurate?
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Name:
Exmun
Comment: Here comes the REFUND REQUESTS for "Show Me How to Love You." http://www.ajc.com/search/content/metro/stories/2007/0 8/24/bynum0824b.html
News of the attack against Bynum upset some of her followers in metro Atlanta. Radios and television stations carried comments on the incident. They are going around teaching folks ... and something like this is going on. I never thought anything like this would happen to her. She is a fireball."
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tsktsk01
Comment: DoctorSmooth, I know her sister took the photos, I "scooped" that yesterday on the comment boards. ROFL However, I know that her publicist distributed the photos and the information and even does the MySpace page. Geez, I'm a publicist, I know how this works. Allof that aside, Amy Malone, 'Nita's (as she is now known)publicist is an entertainment publicist for some rap chica. So she understands sensationalism. I don't think any of the criticism is (another) kick while she's down, I think it's popular opinion and folks have a right to express their views just as she has a right to have her husband tried and convicted in the media, before it goes to trial. I'm here to tell you that she is going to prosper from this and I'm here to tell you that he's going to drop a dime on her. Watch!
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TGen
Comment: I'll concede that some may allow their opinion of the lady's personality to taint their view of this situation. But even so, the reality is, the article posted on EUR today does not make sense. In order for someone to turn around and attack someone else, the other person would have to be in the vicinity, correct? It follows that it's highly unlikely the abuser just turned around out of nowhwere and started beating. No, LOGIC dictates that there's more there than Bynum's publicist would like to put forth, i.e. there was at the very least "arguing," and probably "fighting." But all this does not excuse the abuse. The abuser should be dealt with, period. I don't know that I've read anyone say otherwise, so I'm puzzled at posts like yours Snicker. Hmmm...
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DCGG
Comment: Gotta love them Christians...they straight gangsta lolololololololo
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SpecialK
Comment: Michael Baisden put out an APB on Thomas Weeks on his show yesterday. I'm glad he had enough sense to turn himself in today. He and Juanita both need to step down from their ministerial duties and seek some serious counseling. Not that "do it yourself" counseling either. No one knows what provoked this but he was dead wrong for putting his hands on her, period. He must now pay the consequences for his actions and I think Ms. Bynum needs to step back out of the news and get her act together. God is an awesome God and can heal anything and I hope he heals the both of them. Just because you wanted to marry someone doesn't mean God sent that person to you. Doesn't look like a match made in heaven at all.
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Dovelyone
Comment: REFUND REQUESTS?!?!? SERIOUSLY????? Wow.... That's A LOT of nerve. Just because they were having marital problems doesn't change the accuracy of their messages as long as they were biblically based. Maybe they just didn't follow their own advice--for whatever reasons. I wish people would be more vigilant about refunds for schooling, health care.... HECK! What about returns to ASIAN BEAUTY SUPPLY STORES!!!!!
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TheBrownOne
Comment: i don't think anyone in her said she deserved it Snicker.....I just think some reasonable people feel that she might not be the victim in context her camp is describing it and that there are 2 sides to the story.....and you nor any of us knows what really happened....
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momomomma
Comment: This is a darned shame. She wants to keep the matter private but she posted comments on her MySpace page, and apparently consented to the release of the photos of her injuries.
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gingerg
Comment: Weeks actually thinks he has a chance at reconciliation? Not in this life or any other.
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: Momma, the woman has the right to counter the negative publicity and tell her side of the story, but you can bet Bishop is going to start leaking stuff too. Church folk can act so ugly sometimes.
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momomomma
Comment: Sorry to burst your bubbles, peeps, but this wasn't about an illicit affair or anything. It was about money, plain and simple. Although I'm not a follower of her teachings, I must admit that Juanita's worked hard to amass the wealth and the recognition that she has in the religious community, and in fact, when Juanita met Weeks, he was broke, busted and probably disgusted. Those close to the Weeks family knows that Thomas III had been struggling financially. So when he and Juanita married, he shared in her wealth. And despite whatever reason caused their marriage to fall apart, at the heart of the matter is money. Think about it. Juanita can walk away from this man (and I seriously hope she does), still get preaching engagements, still write books, still make CDs, and still make her money. But Weeks? He wasn't well known on the national preacher's circuit until they got married. If/when they split, who's going to buy his books? He'll become an instant nobody with no money all over again. There are many things that will make a man turn into a coward and swing on his woman, and one of them is money. And to support the allegations that he walked away from her and she went after him, don't be surprised if/when it comes out later that he tried to pulled a Jonathan Plummer on Juanita and threatened to take her to the cleaners.
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6footah
Comment: tsktsk, why does the title Prophetess have to be some mess? There are people out here who hear from God...it was given a title just like Reverend. That doesn't mean everyone that is being called a prophet/prophetess is one, but they do exist.
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gingerg
Comment: I'm not buy anybody's tapes/books/dvds when I can get them for free at the library. LOL! Seriously, though it would depend on the semantics that they used in their teachings. If they stated or implied that they were practicing what they preached, an EXPEDITED REFUND is surely in order.
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Snicker
Comment: --->TGen be puzzled all you want about my posts but today and yesterday on here a lot of people were blaming her for this beating......i don't care if she did follow him to the parking lot if she didn't touch him then he should have kept his b*tch azz hands to himself.....that's my point, you and others are trying to justify his punk azz by saying she followed him and was probably saying stuff....SO THE F*CK WHAT if she did say stuff if she didn't touch him then he shouldn't have touched her!
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gingerg
Comment: Growing up, there was a lady in our church who was prone to telling people that God told her to tell them something. One member reminded her that God was not scared of him. If he had something to tell him, he did not have to relay it to her first. My experience has been that those who have the most visions and advice have serious, unresolved drama on the homefront and need to sit down.
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gingerg
Comment: momma, don't tell me that Juanita paid for that $1 million wedding and ultimately got stomped.
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6footah
Comment: And the award for "Typo Most In Need of Immediate Correcting" goes to RealSmiles..."On a more serious and somber note, I don't CONDOMN any man..."
You've won a year's supply of 'backspace' and 'delete' buttons!!!!!
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TGen
Comment: Snicker, I don't know how many times I have put the disclaimer in there, but here it is AGAIN for you: NO MATTER WHAT THAT LADY SAID OR DID, THAT NEGRO HAD NO BUSINESS BEATING HER. Got it? You are mistaking people trying to be fair-minded and equally neutral with "justifying" the beating. You have to know there is a difference, surely you do...
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tsktsk01
Comment: The title prophetess is a mess given the actual use of the title is out of context and the way she and others use it has nothing to do with the way God ordained that gift to be used. It is a manmade title and assignation. The prophets were referred to as prophets but not using Prophet as a salutation. Do you know what most of them had to go thru and what their commissions were? And none of their commissions had anything to do with telling folks for $1000 they will get new wardrobes or their husbands or out of debt. That's lying and it's not the way prophets work. They are to evangelize and for all intent and purposes anyone who says they are a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ is a prophet, or a person who points the way to HIM and HIM only.
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TMan
Comment: Michael Baisden blew this up yesterday and I mean he BLEW IT UP!
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fuzzygoss
Comment: ANYBODY IN THIS THREAD STRING THINKING HE WAS JUSTIFIED BEATING ON A WOMAN ARE DYSFUNCTIONAL! THERE IS NO WAY ON GOD'S EARTH HE SHOULD'VE RESPONDED WITH VIOLENCE. IF HE WAS TRYING TO RESTRAIN HER, TO fend her off, then maybe his "common sensical intentions escalated the situation consider she is a rah-rah momma from back in the day. That beast still dwells deep within her and I don't doub it wouldn't take much to set her off. >>>> Dammmmit Juanita, next time let the man walk away and don't chase and confront him to get your point across. >>>>I just can't condone men/boys hitting on women. There is nothing right about that wrong!!!! and for any male who beats a female, he lacks self control, respect, and common sense.
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OSUN
Comment: 6footah that is funny. Or could the devil have made her type that to distract us. Or maybe that was a freudian slip
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tsktsk01
Comment: As I said earlier, reverend is a title that is earned thru license and/or degree but mostly through ordination. It's like Dr. or Mr. ... There is no such salutation as Prophet or even Bishop as quiet as its kept. Everyone wants to feel important so they make up titles and positions without the doing the time or the work. Or in most cases actually being called by God. The prophets of the Old TEstament had hard jobs, they had to warm folks at the risk of looking crazy and being killed. They suffered hard and long. The prophets of the new testment were martyred.
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Snicker
Comment: --->TGen i totally understand being equally neutral but someone saying "well she must have said something to make him go off when she followed him" is justifying the beating whether they use those words or not......no matter what someone SAYS to you there is never an excuse to touch them unless they hit you.....now if his side of the story mentions anything about her putting her hands on him i won't say she deserved to be stomped on but i would say that she should have kept her hands to herself if she didn't want to be hit back.....i just will never see what someone could say to you to make you stomp them unless it was "i just got finished f*cking your father, brother, best friend or somebody he loves"....it wouldn't make it right but that's all i can think of that would make him go off on words alone.
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Dovelyone
Comment: TSKTSK>>> cosign on the job/role of the TRUE prophets as spoken of in the Bible. People did not covet that calling because of the pressure, the task.... Prophets are GOD'S (EARTHLY) MOUTHPIECES. So what you say/claim God said had better come to pass or else (slices finger across neck). God STILL has TRUE prophets on Planet Earth today.
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mrb62
Comment: Sounds like a screenplay for another Tyler Perry click to me. "If it Wasn't for the Lord, I Would've Kilt Chew" Coming to theaters June 2009.
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TheBrownOne
Comment: Fuzzgoss or Anyone...here's a question....do you all feel that a woman should hit a man under any circumstance?
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Name:
TGen
Comment: Snicker, agreed.
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: Michael Baisden can't talk. He ain't right either. He claims he can't find a woman anywhere in the world who is right for him.
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gingerg
Comment: Too many people want to hop up in the pulpit when they need to sit in the pew and listen. This whole mega preacher thing has become too commercialized and competitive for my taste. People start to believe their own hype and then God has to step in, reveal some things and remind everybody who is really in charge.
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LawdHvMrcy
Comment: 6FOOTAH>>> May we add "You've won a year's supply of 'backspace' and 'delete' buttons!!!!!" to the quotes of the year? Thankyouverymuch!
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Name:
LawdHvMrcy
Comment: I had to go to yesterday's archives to get context of what is going on. Yall are kerazy up in here. I love my Eur-family! Carry on...
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Name:
oshun
Comment: >>Name: TMan
Comment: Michael Baisden blew this up yesterday and I mean he BLEW IT UP!
he sure did, didn't he? much love to m.b. for speaking up despite all the hate he got from the so-called christian community.
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Angel
Comment: mommamomma - I think you're right. Pastor Cynthia Hale's comments to the AJC were about female ministers dealing with a relationship when the woman earns more/outshines the man's. I think she is close to JB, so she may be speaking from recent conversations they have shared about their struggles with relationships. Also, he's the one now talking about trying to reconcile, so that tells me that maybe she gave him the final boot and he snapped.
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Angel
Comment: What did Baisden say?
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YLawdY
Comment: Bishop Thomas Weeks 3d, the estranged husband of evangelist Juanita Bynum surrendered to police this a.m after police issued a warrant for his arrest on charges that he beat, stomped and choked his wife in the parking lot of an Atlanta hotel. The couple had been separated and were discussing a reconciliation. Bynum and Weeks were married five years ago in an obscenely extravagant "million-dollar" wedding with a wedding party of 80, 1,000 guests, a 12-piece orchestra, and a 7.76-carat diamond ring. When asked why a minister would spend so much money on her wedding, Bynum said the nuptials were her "once-in-a-lifetime wedding, and I did it this way because I plan to stay married." Bynum wrote on her myspace page that she's recovering.
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Train
Comment: A real man wouldn't beat a woman that he claims that he loves. They should lock his punk azz up for awhile so he'll have time to think about what he did.
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CoCoCaramel
Comment: Rev. Weeks will be going to jail if Paul Howard has anything to do with it,I remember years ago he told my ex husband How dare you put your hands on one of my beautiful black sisters!!! you are going to jail...He charged my ex with felony stalking, aggravated %*$ault, false imprisonment and making terroristic threats, he was facing more than 15 years and he pleaded to 5. So Rev. Weeks better get ready to spend some time in the pokey cause it's going to happen, but look at the bright side he'll have many "souls" to save while he's in there...
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Snicker
Comment: --->TheBrownOne to answer your question, women need to keep their hands to themselves and men need to keep their hands to themselves too.
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YLawdY
Comment: That over the top wedding should have been a clue. Isn't excess a sin? All things in moderation and all that? Oh please. As I said yesterday, I don't condone a man hitting a woman, but he was WALKING AWAY. Well at least in yesterday's story he was walking away. DocSmoove...that was funny: ".instead of kicking her while she's down.". Yeah, she's already been through that in the parking lot. BOOT...Let it rip!!!
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YLawdY
Comment: Snicker...she said "F*ck you and the horse you rode in on. Yes, that would be your bald headed, funky mama, you punk azz mofo fudge packing girly man." See that covers it all...mama and manhood.
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Angel
Comment: YLawdY - You meant BROKE punk azz. Now that covers mama, manhood and finances. LOL
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Snicker
Comment: --->YLawdY LMAO!!! ok that's another scenario i guess!
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Dovelyone
Comment: YLY: Excess is relative. Excess is subjective. A million-dollar wedding wedding is not excessive to me, esp. if I'm a multimillionare. A millon-dollar wedding is not an indicator of my relationship with the Lord. God is a God of ABUNDANCE, OVERFLOW. Excess is only a sin if it distances you from God. I can't speak for Bynum and Weeks. The cost of the wedding didn't make or break the marriage or caused this situation.
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momomomma
Comment: Notable quote from the AJC story: ""He is extremely sad over the events that have taken place," said Edward Garland, one of the two attorneys representing Weeks. "I think there is hope on his part that the relationship can get past these difficult moments." He's extremely sad, alright. He's about to lose access to Juanita's Wallet. And of course he wants to get past "these difficult moments", it's those moments that's keeping his pink-bus-riding behind from the lifestyle he had been enjoying with Juanita's money. For the people who knew Weeks before he became Mr. Juanita Bynum, you all know he was a broke fruitcake with a fledgling ministry. The threat of going back to that probably made him snap. Hey, I just checked out StreamingFaith.com, did they yank Juanita, Weeks and Global Destiny off of there already? Or had they already been off of there for a while?
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gingerg
Comment: Momma, where did they meet and is it true that Weeks was married when he became involved with Juanita?
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TheBrownOne
Comment: Good point Dovelyone...a wedding didn't make or break the relationship, but i'm sure mad at all the folks ya give wedding gifts too and they don't last 2 years.....plus snicker and ylawdy, you all are on to something.....for this guy of the cross (holding breath) to have put a public beat down on her, knowing what it would cost his career and his pockets, then she must have known exactly what to say to push his buttons and make him go crazy and he must have been provoked something serious....."you punk azz, broke homo...you ain't doing it right anyway..... that's why i'm getting it from the my first deacon"...that would definitely get him a temporary insanity plea if parking lots could talk....hell, all the women on the lifetime channel get off on temp insanity for chopping their husbands into pieces and burying them in the backyard.....she was probably whooping his azz at home and he decided to fight back in a public parking lot...............
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: TSKTSK… I hear you, but I think you’re missing my larger point though. If you’re a public figure you do have a right to protect your image if you feel you’re being maligned. If, as she says, she was a victim of an %*$ault, why shouldn’t she clarify that she is the victim and wasn’t involved in a “fight”? In the ministry your reputation is everything, so why would she want stories lingering out there that she’s fighting if she knows she wasn’t? Makes no sense to me. I’m not even a big fan of hers really, but I think people are causing their personal feelings regarding her, or preachers in general, to cloud their thinking on this one. You personally might feel youre not “kicking her while she’s down”, but its obvious to me that many people posting on this story are doing just that.
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gingerg
Comment: TheBrownOne, you know a pastor's wife recenty served about a month after shooting her husband in the back of the had while he was sleeping. He found out that she had messed up the family finances - again - and had wrote some bad checks. As I recall, their checking account was overdrawn by $5,000 and the bank was calling.
She came up with some story about how she was abused and he forced her to wear a red wig and dress like a hooker during sex. Anyway, she's now a victim, out of jail and will seek custody of her kids. Now, if I did some shet like that, I would get the electric chair.
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Name:
Grace
Comment: to: ImJustAsking] Her publicist may have typed that up.
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Name:
BlkATLTop
Comment: If you look at his photo in the AJC, his left eye is puffy and red. So it appears she clocked him good before being dropped to the ground. ALso, why has the time changed from 5am to 10:30pm?????
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tsktsk01
Comment: Weeks was just released on a total of $40,000 bond or $4,000 bail and told not to have contact with Bynum or her sister.
Dr. Smooth, I'm saying there is a way to deal with it when there is a crisis/criminal case in question versus plain old slander. Everything according to the law is alledged until it is tried or determined to be true or false. She could have taken the high road but in all honesty it wasn't her name she was protecting but her empire and future earnings with the way she chose to do things. Her name wasn't maligned, her reputation as a spiritual leader/marriage mentor was called into question. Big difference. I don't think she's being kicked while she's down, so let's face it if it were Pooky and NayNay, we'd be blowing their mess off as N*gga stuff. The reason why there are publicist and PR people is to guage public opinion.
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OSUN
Comment: Gingerg I am not condoning that woman's actions but there is proof of that slain preacher's abuse of her. That happened in some small town her in TN. Not condoning, but just as a public service announcement to all you abusers remember the Burning Bed.
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khufu
Comment: History is important right? Well, as this case progresses, let's take her history in mind, his history and then their history together......what was she like before she became a prophetess? was she truly healed of her issues or did she bring them into her ministry and her relationships? A relationship is 50=50 right? Well, Im sure 50 percent of the responsibility is on her.....
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Name:
OSUN
Comment: Treat your woman right or you'll get that burning bed at night. you gotto treat her right treat her right....who sang/rapped that song?
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khufu
Comment: THere's a quick aside....LOL...Ten Commandments of Moses...where did he get them? Well, remember he spent time in KMT (Egypt/Mizraim)? Here is the source...The Negative Confessions of Ani:
I have not committed sins against men.
I have not opposed my family and kinsfolk.
I have not acted fraudulently in the Seat of Truth.
I have not known men who were of no account.
I have not wrought evil.
I have not made it to be the first [consideration daily that unnecessary] work should be done for me.
I have not brought forward my name for dignities.
I have not [attempted] to direct servants. [1]
[I have not belittled God].
I have not defrauded the humble man of his property.
I have not done what the gods abominate.
I have not vilified a slave to his master.
I have not inflicted pain.
I have not caused anyone to go hungry.
I have not made any man to weep.
I have not committed murder.
I have not given the order for murder to be committed.
I have not caused calamities to befall men and women.
I have not plundered the offerings in the temples.
I have not defrauded the gods of their cake-offerings.
I have not carried off the fenkhu cakes [offered to] the Spirits.
I have not committed fornication.
I have not masturbated [in the sanctuaries of the god of my city].
I have not diminished from the bushel.
I have not filched [land from my neighbour's estate and] added it to my own acre.
I have not encroached upon the fields [of others].
I have not added to the weights of the scales.
I have not depressed the pointer of the balance.
I have not carried away the milk from the mouths of children.
I have not driven the cattle away from their pastures.
I have not snared the geese in the goose-pens of the gods.
I have not caught fish with bait made of the bodies of the same kind of fish.
I have not stopped water when it should flow.
I have not made a cutting in a canal of running water.
I have not extinguished a fire when it should burn.
I have not violated the times [of offering] the chosen meat offerings.
I have not driven away the cattle on the estates of the gods.
I have not turned back the god at his appearances.
I am pure. I am pure. I am pure. My pure offerings are the pure offerings of that great Benu which dwelleth in Hensu. For behold, I am the nose of Neb-nefu (the lord of the air), who giveth sustenance unto all mankind, on the day of the filling of the Utchat in Anu, in the second month of the season Pert, on the last of the month, [in the presence of the Lord of this earth]. I have seen the filling of the Utchat in Anu, therefore let not calamity befall me in this land, or in this Hall of Maati, because I know the names of the gods who are therein, [and who are the followers of the Great God].
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: GingerG.. I saw that story. I think she did a total of 7 months (between jail, and her dentention in a "treatment facility") . I've never seen a man kill his wife and get 7 months. Only a woman can kill her husband, claim "abuse", and then walk in less than a year. I've seen it happen too many times now.
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: DCGG>thank you i needed that laugh today! LOL!
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Name:
OSUN
Comment: I hope she had him sign a pre nup.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: http://www.touregypt.net/negativeconfessions.htm
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Name:
khufu
Comment: OSUN Cornelius Brothers and Sister Rose...Treat Her Like A Lady
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: But DoctorSmooth, if you think people are kicking her while she's down.......let me get it straight......she barely has a couple scratches, her ministry will continue to prosper, she will make this a testimony, this guy couldn't hurt her no matter what he says plus her story sounds shady......i would say that the person who is down is the broke guy, whose career, image, and manhood have all been destroyed in one swing (or two) that hasn't even given his side of the story yet.....how is your point fair or objective....when TSKTSK is just saying we really don't know what actually happened......yet.....or ever....
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MOst Holy Rollers live two lives...the one in the presence of other self-professing Christians and then the real human one they hide and hide behind.....that's wrong....that's a lie....true healing cant take place like that......so you have self proclaimed healers and spiritual leaders falsely leading people..people weak enough and misguided enough to deify other struggling human beings....
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Name:
khufu
Comment: THEBROWNONE...great spin...but what about her faults that need addressing? what about her 50percent that made this situation occur? will she address that or will she blame him?
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CHOSENBYGOD
Comment: LET US NOT MAKE ASSUMPTIONS BECAUSE NONE OF US KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT RELATIONSHIP. IT JUST GOES TO SHOW YOU THAT THEY ARE HUMAN AND WE ALL HAVE DONE SOME THINGS IN OUR LIVES THAT WE AREN'T PROUD OF. HER TESTIMONY HAS HELPED ALOT OF WOMEN SUCH AS MYSELF. JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED. GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL. I PRAY THAT HIS GLORY WILL BE SHOWN DESPITE WHAT THE MEDIA AND ALL OTHERS INCLUDED HAS TO SAY.
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khufu
Comment: Im curious...if a woman physically attacks a man, would he then have the right to defend himself?
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khufu
Comment: Gotta agree witb you CHOSENBYGOD...however you know what? Ministers must remember that they are THE examples for humans? Yes, I know they are human but they need to be always mindful that they must be as much without blames as they can be...I know it's difficult but they do have that responsibility..."TO WHOM MUCH IS GIVEN MUCH IS REQUIRED.."
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khufu
Comment: Interestingly enough...a real relevant story from yesterday: "Mother Teresa Did Not Feel Christ's Presence for Last Half of Her Life, Letters Reveal.....".... Mother Teresa of Calcutta, who has been put on the “fast track” to sainthood, was so tormented by doubts about her faith that she felt “a hypocrite,” it has emerged from a book of her letters to friends and confessors.
Shortly after beginning her work in the slums of Calcutta, she wrote: “Where is my faith? Even deep down there is nothing but emptiness and darkness. If there be a God — please forgive me.”
In letters eight years later she was still expressing “such deep longing for God,” adding that she felt “repulsed, empty, no faith, no love, no zeal.”
Her smile to the world from her familiar weather-beaten face was a “mask” or a “cloak,” she said. “What do I labor for? If there be no God, there can be no soul. If there be no soul then, Jesus, You also are not true.”
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khufu
Comment: Mother Teresa, who died in 1997 and was beatified in record time only six years later, felt abandoned by God from the very start of the work that made her a global figure, in her sandals and blue and white sari. The doubts persisted until her death.
The nun’s crisis of faith was revealed four years ago by the Rev. Brian Kolodiejchuk, the postutalor or advocate of her cause for sainthood, at the time of her beatification in October 2003. Now he has compiled a new edition of her letters, entitled, "Mother Teresa: Come be My Light," which reveals the full extent of her long “dark night of the soul.”
“I am told God lives in me — and yet the reality of darkness and coldness and emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul,” she wrote at one point. “I want God with all the power of my soul — and yet between us there is terrible separation.” On another occasion she wrote: “I feel just that terrible pain of loss, of God not wanting me, of God not being God, of God not really existing.”
Rev. Kolodiejchuk maintains that Mother Teresa did not suffer “a real doubt of faith,” but that, on the contrary, her agonizing demonstrates her faith in God’s reality.
“We cannot long for something that is not intimately close to us ... Now we have this new understanding, this new window into her interior life, and for me this seems to be the most heroic,” he said.
The priest said that church authorities had decided to keep her letters even though one of her dying wishes was that they should be destroyed. In one, written to a spiritual adviser, Michael van der Peet, shortly before she received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979, she wrote that: “Jesus has a very special love for you. As for me, the silence and emptiness is so great that I look and do not see, listen and do not hear. The tongue moves but does not speak.”
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Dovelyone
Comment: khufu: yes, a man has a right to DEFEND himself, not OFFEND. A man can defend himself by 1) WALKING AWAY; 2) PUSH THE OFFENDER AWAY; 3) RUNNING AWAY; 4) CALL THE POLICE. Everybody is responsible for their OWN BEHAVIOR. Provocation is an excuse.
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RealSmiles
Comment: Thanks for being my grammar lookout 6footah; I take it you're the one that's going to do the backspacing and deleting for me. Thanks also for putting the spotlight on me-I don't get to post often on this board so I do appreciate the 15 minutes of fame *taking a bow and laughing at the same time* Since I got your attention and perhaps the attention of others on here, I will stand my ground with waiting on the rest of the story. I don't CONDOMN any man hitting on a woman. I am curious about hearing what lead up to the infamous %*$ault.
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gingerg
Comment: kufu, there you go Holy Rollers. LOL.
There's some truth in that. As much as I hate to admit it, my mom did a couple of shady things. At one time, she was having an affair with a married man in the church. Most recently (about 20 years ago), she "befriended" a woman in the church and somehow wound up married to her elderly husband. He's 26 years older than her, recovering from a stroke and spends 80% of his time home alone because she's a workaholic. Sometimes, she tries to question me about my personal life or offer advice. No disrespect, but I politely disregard or tune it out.
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khufu
Comment: CHOSENBY GOD..youre right, "Judge Ye Not..." however Jesus also said, "It is not me that Judgeth but the Father in Me and His Judgment is righteous.."ALSO...........""Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. And yet if I judge, My judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father That sent me."
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khufu
Comment: Jesus' words recorded in John 5:30, 31 refer to the same thought as Matthew 7:1:
"I can of Mine own Self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and My judgment is just; because I seek not Mine own will, but the will of the Father Which hath sent me. If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true."
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khufu
Comment: When the Holy Spirit in us does the "judging" or "%*$essing" of a person, situation, circumstance, it is a just judgment.....a righteous judgment...while we dont know what happened, we do know that Ministers of God should not be behaving like this...
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khufu
Comment: DOVELONE..according to the first story yesterday...HE WALKED AND AWAY and she pursued him
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HarrisThomas
Comment: Dovelyone, I was lurking just fine until your comments about how a man defends himself by %*$ault from a woman . . . in our pop culture that glorifies pimps along with lyrics that disparage AA women, not too many males are sensing that it's manly to walk away or run away (just not gonna happen) from a physcially abusive female . . . the deal is this: if anybody brings an azz-kicking, he/she can expect to get an azz-kicking . . . the better deal is: don't nobody put their hands on nobody
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khufu
Comment: Dovelyone...if everyone is responsible for their own behavior, why is he being blamed? do you supposed she contributed to this in any way?
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khufu
Comment: Dovelyone..pushing the person away constitutes %*$ault...especially with Black women....
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tsktsk01
Comment: (looks around) Will someone petition EURweb.com for a real message board so that the posts flow smoothly and effortslessly? Geez... Okay, carry on folks!
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Mas90
Comment: Yes, a man has the right to whoop her azz if hse hits him. I knock her into another life time!
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momomomma
Comment: ----> Gingerg, to answer your question...Weeks met Bynum at one of her preaching engagement's in NJ back in 2002. In his book he says the Lord told him to seek her out, which I find to be strange, because he was still married (albeit separated) at the time. This is in the winter, probably February 2002. When Juanita and Weeks had their hush-hush wedding in July 2002, he had recently had his divorce from his first wife finalized. After they thought the dirt cleared and the dust settled, they went ahead and had the mega-wedding in 2003. Looking at their brief courtship (which was formed on the grounds of adultery), does anyone on her really think that their union was blessed and ordained by God? It was bound to lead to this.
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khufu
Comment: what will happen to the church? what was up with the ring? SO now that they are splitting, how will the church be "divided" as a business? Hmmmmm
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tsktsk01
Comment: momomomma, you are the bomb for asking that question! I don't think it was ordained by God b/c there would other issues pertaining to becoming one in Christ NOT tearing one another apart in the name of greed and the devil. They began things out of order and in the immortal precious words of my priceless grandmother, Irene, however you start something is how it ends.
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TheBrownOne
Comment: Good point Chosen, gingerg that is very deep and so real.....and khufu, I agreed with you that she is at least worth fiddy cent of this situation.....I will even be bold enough to say that i guarantee Juanita wasn't living up to the biblical principles of the man being the head of the household.....it's funny how people cherry pick their favorite parts of the bible to live in self-righteousness......also Khufu..great info....and i can see, that your spirit feels things of truth that the masses probably just couldn't handle....right now.....but keep that faith...
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cornbread
Comment: I HOPE THEY TORTURE THAT MUTHA FUKKA IN JAIL. HE PROBABLY WILL ENJOY EVERY MINUTE OF IT WITH HIS FAGGOT AZZ. PEOPLE NEED TO STOP GIVING THEIR MONEY TO THESE PIMPS. THEY CAN'T SAVE YOUR SOUL. ONLY GOD CAN. WHEN WILL PEOPLE LEARN THIS?
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Mas90
Comment: Dovelyone... walking away isn't always the answer. Women try to kick you in the balls, slap you in the face, etc... plus not all men are stronger, taller, etc. than their significant others. If a whooping is needed...than a whooping is what it is. Let the azz kicking begin!
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tsktsk01
Comment: Preach!@TheBrownOne
"it's funny how people cherry pick their favorite parts of the bible to live in self-righteousness"
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khufu
Comment: mommomomma...right on...again what amazes me is that people just believe anyone that says "God sent me" or "God ordained this"...Man, isnt the Devil the arch deceiver?
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Dovelyone
Comment: HT: As I was writing my post the words from your post were in my mind concerning a man's THREAT to their MANHOOD to just walk away. Of course I'm not saying a man should just stand there and take it. It takes MUCH SELF-CONTROL to handle one's behavior when one is being verbally/emotionally attacked. But when it comes to physicality, esp. betweeen a man and a woman, generally a man is physically stronger than a woman (notice I said GENERALLY). At the end of it all, nobody should be putting their hands on another human being to harm them.>>>> khufu: I really would prefer to not speak on this specific incident. I will say that 1) the man is usually blamed because the woman is considered the "weaker" vessel (well, the Bible says that) and legislation is designed to lean in protection of the woman from harm, abandonment, exploitation, etc. Does the woman play a role in these types of situations? Most likely so but again, regardless of what the woman says or does, the man is responsible for controlling himself. Each person is responsible for what they say and do.
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khufu
Comment: Job 1:6
"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them."
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Mas90
Comment: Cornbread, the money given is suppose to go towards the church not their pockets. Pastor are given a salary but it seems some get an huge increase when they have a huge following.
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khufu
Comment: Im not being self-righteous because I am merely saying that which is true am I?
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khufu
Comment: A lot of folk out here thinking or believing or professing to worship God, Jesus and The Bible are in fact worshiping Satan....as it states so clearly in the Bible......
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HarrisThomas
Comment: Mas90, I suspect that so many beatdowns leading to death in AA relationships are directly related to escalated physical exchanges . . . nobody should put their hands on nobody . . . when it comes to control, if a man or woman thinks that control is achieved by an azz whupping, then one of the parties (the weaker, less nimble) is going to be harmed . . . if that weaker person gets an opportunity to equalize the situation, it's usually brutal . . . sadly, in AA communities, life is viewed as cheap and whoever does the dastardly deed gets the equivalent of a slap on the wrist relative to the emotional and mental pain that the other party lives with if that party lives . . . legalisms really don't matter to the dead
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khufu
Comment: Now I am not saying that bout Bynum or Her husband......i know everyone saying they are sent or ordained by God ain't sent or ordained by the True and Living God.....hence, "Thou shall have no other God before Me..."
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khufu
Comment: WHy do yahll humans deify every person proclaiming to be a Minister or sent by God? They caint all be right!! If there is, according to Christianity, one God, One Lord, One Fiath and One Baptism.....why are there so many denominations and churches and pastors and ministers and prophets and bishops and so on and so forth? Tehy caint all be right and sent by The Most High. DOes He really need all dem?
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Calidee
Comment: >>> TSk you are making some good points.
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MissE
Comment: Mas90, i'm very suprised at your comments. Khufu, marriage is not 50/50. there are many times when one person has to give more than the other. I've been married 20 years and many times had to give 70/30 or 60/40. it's not a 50/50 relationship.
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gingerg
Comment: Momma, God is not in this mess and there's no way he ordained the marriage under those circumstances.
It is an arrangement. Both parties got what they wanted 1) Weeks, money and benefits. 2) Bynum, the status of marriage and more fodder for her speaking engagements, books, tapes and dvds. They used each other and now the situation has been exposed for what it really is.
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khufu
Comment: On a larger scale, this incident is a wake up call for the thinking and the really elect of the true and living God...stop putting all that faith in other humans...these Ministers are still trying to figure it out too....look at Mother Teresa...her whole life was dedicated to self-sacrifice and serving humanity...come to find out, she was doing it more to prove to herself that God was real......
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khufu
Comment: 50/50 as a symbolic measure that each one is equally responsible for all things....dont look so literally at the numbers...that is what fooks up relationships when one starts measuring "I do more than you"...50/50 says: No matter how much, it's still equal
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khufu
Comment: does this happen in Buddhism? Islam? Judaism?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: this is going to be on HOTGHETTOMESS for sure!! It should be!
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tsktsk01
Comment: Thank you, Calidee! And to Gingerg... I don't understand why people are having a hard time understanding the points you make b/c it's so evident. 'Nita didn't just say thanks, I'm sad give me time, etc. She had her folks say IT WAS NOT A FIGHT, IT WAS %*$AULT which tells me she was building her case against him and in all honesty, I think she's rejoicing b/c that butt whooping gave her a way out of that marriage w/o having to pay him anything.
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MissE
Comment: cornbread, IS YOUR SOUL SAVED? yeah, go ahead and curse me out.
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Marlin
Comment: i am happy she pressed charges on dude. she was probably going to OUT his a$$ anyway. a lot of times if the new man knew you were abused in the past , if he has it in him, usually they do it too....start fooling themselves that 'ol girl is too big for her britches'...creating reasons in his head on why she got that a$$ beat in the first place. plus, women who were abused usually gravitate towards the same kind of man.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: there is no one body of believers in God: Christianity, Islam and Judaism as well as other religions each have branches and substrata . . . each individual believes whatever they believe and associate with a group of similar believers . . . God gave all of us free will and we freely express ourselves accordingly . . . any attempt to change this arrangement frequently results in religious war as we see on the world stage today
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: TSK... I gotta agree with you 100% on that "message board" comment. EUR really needs to step their game up. This message board format they have is so 1990's. Thing is, you can get quality message board software for a website for barely a couple hundred dollars. Besides, a good message board can help bring new traffic and keep your existing traffic staying on your site longer, which means more ad revenue. So the new message board could easily pay for itself within a few weeks. But these people seem so slow to make positve changes to their site, its ridiculous. BlackVoices acually has one of the better message boards setups among AA webites. I hope EUR is paying attention.
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khufu
Comment: LOL you know what: I can hear some brothers saying now: That's why women shouldnt be Ministers! This is going to spark a lot of conversations...some in public and some behind closed doors
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gingerg
Comment: I've decided that they are both lying, hypocritical opportunists.
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MissE
Comment: khufu, point taken. you're 100% correct.
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khufu
Comment: HARRIS my point is you just dont seem to hear about these scandals in other relgions...Jimmy Bakker, Henry Lyions, Jimmy Swaagart, Oral Roberts, etc etc...all Christians stuff
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kblackelegance
Comment: Hello everyone I haven't been on in a while, but I've been reading all of your comments, which I truly enjoy. I love Juanita Bynum. Loved her message "No More Sheets" but the bottom line is that the church is in crisis, Marriages are in crisis and the family is in crises. The recent recurring message in my church is for people to stop watching these TV preachers and get into the word for yo' self. Seek God for yo'self, cause when you get in trouble you can't call on them and have them come to your rescue. Also is anyone familiar with Paula and Randy White, they have a big church in Florida called Church without walls. They've announced that they're divorcing as well. So according to the word "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart and lean not unto thin own understanding."
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khufu
Comment: MISSE...50/50 - "equally yoked"
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HarrisThomas
Comment: patriarchial church dogma and theology determines whether women participate at higher levels in church hierarchy . . . among Christians, women are just as split on the issue as are men
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tsktsk01
Comment: Dr. Smooth, it would be a lot easier if we didn't have to find who we are replying to, etc. Maybe one day... LOL khufu, yes it happens in other religions but guess what? We in the name of Christ just seem to do things bigger, badder and in technicolor for AAAAALLLLL the world to see how hypocritical we are. We criticize others, condemn them to hell, but can't seem to keep our house clean. Jesus said the world will know we love Him by our love for one another... Where is the love, I ask you?!
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khufu
Comment: KBLACK...""Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)
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tsktsk01
Comment: 100%/100% equally yoked...
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khufu
Comment: powerful TSKTSK powerful your last statement
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Amazing no Usher/Tameka scandal this week... Can I get Halejuha? or however you spell it, shiit.
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Name:
BigSexy
Comment: OSUN: Chub Rock was the rapper. I'm praying for both (Juanita/Thomas) of them.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: no we don't hear about abuses occuring in other religions but it does not mean that the abuses do not occur . . . in the US, Christians represent the largest body of believers in God and that group is most politically active as well as have the most exposure through multi-media outlets . . . I wouldn't expect to hear about abuse from the Muslim community unless it's the Nation of Islam because the Muslim community stays away from wide-spread media exposure
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khufu
Comment: MAS() guess the devil left them alone 'cause he had bigger fish to fry here in ATlanta.......why is all these sheet happening in ATL? Vick, Usher, Bynum,.....
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CHOSENBYGOD
Comment: IF THOSE OF US WHO CLAIM TO KNOW GOD DON'T GET OUR ACTS TOGETHER, HELL IS GOING TO BUST WIDE OPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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khufu
Comment: HARRIS youre supposing.......fact is: Christianity world-wide seems to be scandalous
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khufu
Comment: CHOSENBYGOD...agreed and send that to Bynum and her hubby...and all the other ones....
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khufu
Comment: CHOSENONE.......The shepherds have been given charge over the sheep...""Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)"
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HarrisThomas
Comment: so, is the Taliban so wonderful that it can not be considered scandalous?
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khufu
Comment: Sorry..CHosen One....TH Shepherd have been given charge over the sheep..." When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord; you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs." A second time He said to him, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord; you know that I love you." He said to him, "Tend my sheep." He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, "Do you love me?" And he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you." Jesus said to him, "Feed my sheep."
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Marlin
Comment: Marlin knows this firsthand. You have to want to change and get out of that cycle yourself. Sometimes we as women are not even aware we in a cycle until something traumatic happens. 'WEAKS' KNEW WHAT SHE BASED HER MINISTRY ON and got back at her in the most vindictive way possible. Why not discredit her ministry? Look, honestly, Juanita gets on my nerves a tainch, but that is my OPINION. I hear alot of comaplaints here on where one should get the word. THAT DOES NOT MATTER. Jesus went to prostitutes and brothels to reach the most destitute....so I am not understanding all of this hatred on where exactly you should get The Word from.
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tsktsk01
Comment: I just read about Paula and Randy White... Okay, their church was sued by two or three members recently. LOL Do you think 'Nita and Paula are "friends"? ROFL
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CHOSENBYGOD
Comment: I AGREE THAT CHRISTIANITY AS A WHOLE IS BEING JUDGED BY THIS INCIDENT, AND ONLY IN PART BECAUSE THEY ARE WELL-KNOWN. SOME RESTRAINT SHOULD OF BEEN TAKEN, BUT THEY ARE HUMAN-BEINGS WITH ISSUES JUST LIKE THE REST OF US. I KNOW IN WHOM I BELIEVE AND I DON'T HAVE TO JUSTIFY THEM. GOD CAN TURN ANY BAD SITUATION AROUND AND MAKE THE MOST AMAZING THING COME OUT OF IT.
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Name:
RealSmiles
Comment: Well khufu, just make sure when you're talking to the brothers who want to use Bynum's incident as a point against women minister, I hope you'll bring up Bishop Vashti Mckenzie as a counterpoint. McKenzie became the first AME woman bishop in 2000; she is still a bishop and is the president of the council of bishops for the AME. Her marriage to Stan Mckenzie is still strong in spite of her full plate of ministry work. I'm sure others on here can come up with other prominent women ministers who are very grounded and have the solid family life that God ordained.
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khufu
Comment: well what do you mean HARRIS? Tell me the last time a Taliban "leader" beat the sheet out of his wife? Or the last time a Taliban "leader" fornicated and committed adultery? Let's see...stole some money from a Church or Mosque? Besides the Taliban is a political organization not a religion....also you assume that all Taliban are Muslim? Are they Muslim?
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Marlin
Comment: wow. you guys are on a roll here. Good luck on Judgment Day.
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Name:
momomomma
Comment: ----> Gingerg, I couldn't have said it better myself. These people need prayer and we need to pray for those who so blindly follow their teachings. They're going to be turned around and misguided by all of this mess.
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MissE
Comment: tstsk, i'm familiar with paula and randy white. i had no idea they were getting a divorce. it's already been proven that the divorce rate among chritians in this country is more than 50%. sadi situation. where is the love, you ask? the bible speaks of the end times when men will beocme lovers of themselves. time is winding up.
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khufu
Comment: LOL who said anything about "hatred" Marlin? Please dont regress the conversation
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Name:
OSUN
Comment: Khufu, what about the honorable Elijah Muhammed and all his adulterous affairs and children out of wedlock. He wasn't Christian, he was muslim.
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Name:
Peekiebear
Comment: It is sad that in this day and time we are still trying to find reasons why the woman "drove" him to beat her. If she was ressponsible for him leaving his former wife and kids- then he is the one for leaving out of the door and leaving himself- no one can do it for you. For all of you who question why were they talking in a parking lot at 4:00 a.m.- have you never been out at that time? Were they not married? If someone threatens to KILL you, yes indeed, that is a felony. Abusive men ALWAYS say that: a) we were "fighting" or b) I was just trying to protect myself or c) she fell down and hit her head, etc- anything rather than admit repsonsibility. Go to a woman's shelter, any police department or hospital emergency room in the country and see the broken jaws, the burns, the knocked out teeth, the broken bones, etc, and ask yourself why you make light of this. It is a complete disservice to OUR women that our Black men (and some pathetic women) fail to understand that it is NOT alright to hit or beat a woman or a child or an animal. Last week, I was in an emergency room (where I volunteer) and one woman came in with BOTH eyes removed...she had been beaten by her husband. Think about it.
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khufu
Comment: CHOSENBYGOD..the BIBLE that I READ says all nations, peoples...will be judged not just Christians...individually and collectively we are in the midst of Judgement......here that MARLIN...this is Judgement....
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Name:
YLawdY
Comment: If God "ordains" a marriage, does it stay ordained forever or can it's favored status be revoked by one or the other partner's behavior? Can one assume that marriages that don't make it weren't ordained and that marriages that last 50 years were?
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Name:
kblackelegance
Comment: Khufu: Amen and Amen
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Yes OSun he was...that's one...I got 1000 in the last ten years on the "Christian" side
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Name:
tsktsk01
Comment: http://www.sptimes.com/2007/08/24/Hillsborough/Megachu rch_founding_p.shtml
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khufu
Comment: yeah YLAWDY weighing in with the relevant stuff...see, this Bynum incident is not just about the beatdown...it's about a whole lot of other stuff regrading Black folks, Christianity, and these Ministers out here saving souls.....reminds me of a Prince song....
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Name:
ImJustAsking
Comment: DoctorSmooth< nice try. I don't think about my job when I have a headache much less after I get my azz whipped. instead of her thinking "OMG my marriage is a mess, the man I love just beat me down." She thought "omg, what am I going to tell people, what's the best way to make a statement?" Priorities all twisted up. And for the record, I BET NOT SEE Reverend Joseph Goode Pastor of Mt Sinai Baptist Church on MYSPACE!!!!! PERIOD! Any pastor worth his salt would be preaching about why you shouldn't even be on there in the first place. lol
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khufu
Comment: "Everybody runnin 'round talkin' bout savin' souls/when you know good and doggone well/you got enough trouble tryin' to save your own...."
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ImJustAsking
Comment: shoot, I didn't finish. And it is so.
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khufu
Comment: "If the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." -
-- Matthew 15:14 Bible
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OSUN
Comment: Khufu doesn't the Taliban and other muslim extremists and not so extreme allow their women to be beaten and killed at the discretion of the males in their family. Correct me if I am wrong, but sharia law!!!!
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Also, as White House Press Secretary you don't see me updating people on my condition via myspace.
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tsktsk01
Comment: ROFLMBO@I'MJUSTASKING bka I'se just saying or axing... You are too much!
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kblackelegance
Comment: Just sharing a thought: I think what's also happening here is that alot of these big time preachers are idolized (sp?) and God clearly says you are to have no other God before me. And in turn these preachers are fleecing the people. I admit and confess I've gotten caught up in the "Star Power" of some of these people, and its recently my desire to see them and get their books, etc. was soured. I really can't explain it I just wasn't impressed with them and their pulpits and their sanctuaries anymore. I started praying and seeking GOD fo' myself. If people really knew the stuff that goes on behind closed doors at some of these ministries they'd die, because its shocking and I'm only talking about what I'm recently hearing, and it goes beyond Juanita Bynum. I truly believe God himself is pulling the covers off of certain things, and hopefully people will draw nigh unto him for themselves.
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khufu
Comment: OSUN I dont know I will check but that's another discussion about whether religious doctrine allows for the oppression or subjugation of women...WHat I am talking about is the scandals during the last 20-25 years here in this country that are tied directly into Christianity regardless of what doctrine says.....each one of these scandals goes directly against what Christian doctrine dictates.......adultery, fornication, theft, theft from God, etc, etc.....
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khufu
Comment: 2 Corinthians 11:14...And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light...stop worshiping false prophets.....they are ministers of Satan......
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OSUN
Comment: I believe all religions have scandals and scandolous people because people are involved. Dont think there aren't any deviant muslims, buddhists, mormons, jews and the list goes on and on and on. Just b/c you dont hear about them doesn't mean they exist.
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tsktsk01
Comment: Amen@kblackelegance...
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khufu
Comment: Sharia (Arabic: ????? transliteration: Šari‘ah) is the dynamic body of Islamic law. The term means "way" or "path to the water source"; it is the legal framework within which the public and some private aspects of life are regulated for those living in a legal system based on Muslim principles of jurisprudence.
Sharia deals with all aspects of day-to-day life, including politics, economics, banking, business law, contract law, family, sexuality, hygiene, and social issues.
There is no strictly static codified set of laws of sharia. Sharia is more like a system of devising laws, based on the Qur'an (holy book of Islam), hadith (sayings of Muhammad), ijma , qiyas and centuries of debate, interpretation and precedent.
Before the 19th century, legal theory was considered the domain of the traditional legal schools of thought. Most Sunni Muslims follow Hanafi, Hanbali, Maliki or Shafii, while most Shia Muslims follow Jaafari (Hallaq 1997, Brown 1996, Aslan 2006).
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CHOSENBYGOD
Comment: WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE GIVEN A CHOICE BY GOD, AND IN DOING SO AND GIVIVNG OUR LIVES TO CHRIST(FULL DEDICATION) WE ARE GOING TO SUFFER SOME THINGS THE SAME WAY CHRIST DID. HE SUFFERED MORE FOR US THAN WE WILL EVER KNOW. SO WHY NOT TAKE A SITUATION SUCH AS THIS WHERE HIS VERY OWN ARE CHALLENGED? OH, I'M SURE IT WAS TO GET THEIR ATTENTION AND UST MAYBE HIS PEOPLE. WE ARE IN THE LAST DAYS PEOPLE AND YOU WILL BEGIN TO SEE GOD UNCOVER ALOT MORE THAN JUST THE TOM AND JUANITA STORY!!! LOOK AT THE UNVEILING OF WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCHES!!! GOD IS A GOD OF ORDER AND HE WILL BRING ORDER BACK INTO THE CHURCH ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. BUT ARE WE BOLD ENOUGH TO STAND UP FOR HIM AND ONE DAY POSSIBLY BECOME MARTYRS FOR HIM? THINK ABOUT IT. ALL I KNOW IS THAT HE IS THE ONLY ONE I CAN TOTALLY TRUST.
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Snicker
Comment: --->khufu you couldn't possbly have a day job because as much as you post on here you would never get any work done.....you must are either unemployed or work at night.
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khufu
Comment: OSUN read on SHaria LAw and women...a whole other conversation........
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gingerg
Comment: Go on, OSUN, bringing Elijah Muhammad's business all up in this.
Didn't he claim to be annointed and appointed, too?
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khufu
Comment: SNICKER LOL Youre right I am allowing my azz to be distracted....shame on me
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tsktsk01
Comment: Sharia Law and women...that ain't no joke. Under Sharia Law 'Nita would have been subject to stoning, divorce and death for allowing her hsuband to be embarrassed in public for beating HER tail.
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khufu
Comment: Well ont hat matter Elijah was wrong too..anyone who is a religious leader is wrong so now, let's stay on Bynum and the fact that there are more examples of self-professed Christian leaders involved in scandalous affairs..that's an issue because Black folks make excuses for them and continue to follow them......and her book sales will increase....there is something seriously wrong...where is God in all this? Well, the True God?
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gingerg
Comment: I love Bishop Vashti McKenzie. I met her a few months ago. She's real and very down to earth. And talk about preaching! She can say the word right!
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khufu
Comment: According to MY GOD if SHaria Law is unjust, it needs to be revealed too...right now we revealing Christianity's short-comings.....
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khufu
Comment: CHOSENBY GOD...can I ask when was there order in the Church? ANd when you say "The Church" what do you mean?
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HarrisThomas
Comment: anyone who scrolls up can see that I've already said that Muslims don't get the media exposure that Christians get, as a matter of fact, that kind of exposure is not permitted as an object of pursuit . . . even President Ahmadinejad who is constantly in the news has to be careful that his actions are in line with the teachings of the Ayatollahs who are watchdogs for religious piety and correctness in Iran . . . according to Wikipedia "The Taliban (Pashto: ??????) are a fundamentalist Sunni Muslim and ethnic Pashtun movement" . . . the Taliban practices very strict Shariah law and that law is absolute . . . you may recall the public beheading of a Saudi Arabian princess which was scandalous to the West - here's a link discussing beheading as noted in The Quran: http://www.ropma.net/killing_by_beheading_is_islamic.h tm . . . assorted international groups are concerned about the Muslim practices of female genital mutilation and other misogyny (at least by Western standards) . . . I am not saying Islam is right or wrong but that it is not without scandals concerning wife-beating and female stoning for the charge of adultery . . . I thank God for my free will and that the exercise of that free will does not get me mutilated or killed
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YLawdY
Comment: khufu ...you were joking with that scandal in other religions, right?
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libra10263
Comment: While Evang. Bynum maybe 48, Bishop Weeks is only 38 or 39. I attended church with him since he was just a kid.
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khufu
Comment: ANy religion that oppresses anybody is wrong...any religion that steals is wrong...any religion that enslaves is wrong...any religion that goes against its very own scriptural revelation is wrong...so now, that covers Islam, Christianity, Etc, ETc
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khufu
Comment: YLAWDY I know there are scandals in otehr religions.......SIGHING....my point is if we wre to do a study of the Christian Church, especially during the last 50 years, more scandals have been committed by Christian churches and people saying they are Christian than any other,,,,sure Jews do it, Muslims do it...but more are being committed by Christians...especially the petty scandals like sex, fisticuffs, (not to mention wars), lies, stealing land and money......
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OSUN
Comment: Khufu you posed the question about scandals in other religions and now you want to stick to Bynum because their is amunition to dispute your claim. I am sure if you performed an unbiased research you will find a plethora of examples of shadyness, adultery, abuse and all types of sodom and gomorrah up in Islam and many other religions. Just b/c Christian scandals are glorified doesn't negate the abundance in other religious sects. Lets be objective. I am a christian. I also use the brains that God bestowed me with. Each individual with the exception of children are responsible for themselves. If they chose not to do the research and fall for the okey doke, well that is their issue and their issue alone. I have never ( at least as an adult) have put my faith in another human being to the point where I worship them or accept their words as gospel. If you dont study and show thyself approved, oooh well. That is your problem. So if a person makes the choice to put their faith in these earthly people in any religion, that is their business.
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OSUN
Comment: Khufu I think that you can click on more google links and see the revelation of what sharia law truly is.
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YLawdY
Comment: Uh, never mind.
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khufu
Comment: OSUN No I dont mind the discussion of scandals but youre mentioning SHaria has nothing to do with scandals. Your argument was based on doctrine or about doctrine. Mine wasnt when I posed the question about scandals.
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OSUN
Comment: Khufu please provide the statistics to show that in the last 50 years more scandals have occured in Christianity. Now you may convince me that more have been reported on, but committed I need some numbers and comparison charts and graphs.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: religious scandal exists where ever people breathe
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RealSmiles
Comment: Peekiebear, we have this one reported incident. At this point, there's no reported history nor knowledge of prior beatings, though some would assume from this incident, there's a possibility this maybe not have been the first time. So, based on this ONE incident, there are some questions. People just don't snap just for the sheer hell of it. Black men just don't snap for the sheer hell of it. All black men are not beaters. As a woman, I don't make light of %*$ault but as a woman, I also know that there's two sides. Quiet as it is kept, there are women who %*$ault too. This incident covers the end result, and that is Weeks being caught in the act of %*$aulting. As for those other men who virtually get off on beating women regularly, I say there's no place in society for them other than jail.
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khufu
Comment: OSUN If youre saying the doctrine of Sharia leads to scandals in Islam,. I agree. But again, that's different. If I would HYPOTHETICALLY have said something like: "The Christian doctrine that a womsn should obey her husband... was the cause of The Bynum incident as she should have followed that doctrine and been submissive and the situation would have never occurred" then you using Sharia Law as a probable source for marital disputes or the suppression of women in Islam, then I understand.......
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OSUN
Comment: Someone just enlightened to the fact that all of this is a publicity stunt by Usher in attempts to divert attention to his courthouse nuptials.
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khufu
Comment: Osun...tell me the last time a Buddhist monk" was arrested for beating his mate? tell me the last time A Muslim Imam was cited for fornicating. Now I can give you some Jewish Ones readily. Im not saying others dont do it....it doesnt seem strange that more Christians do it? Or are you being deceived? LOL A whole damn Church (Catholic) just recently admitted guilt in sexing lil boy7s and what happened? Nobody blinked.....R Kelly can sing Gospel song...one day, rape a lil girl the next..Jesse Jackson,,,Henry Lyons...Jimmy Swaggart...Jimmy and Tammy Baker....Oral Roberts...Pat Robertson....Earl Paulk....and in your neighborhood, you know the stories about the ministers screwing the lil girls...
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OSUN
Comment: Khufu not in marriages per se but in the general regard and treatment of women.
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kblackelegance
Comment: tsktsk01: Juanita Bynum and Paula White are both Bishop Jakes; spiritual daughters (if you allow). He introduced both of them to the national/international stage of ministry. Prior to that I don't think they had the following that they both have now. In the Paula White article they announed that they were divorcing and people were really upset. They quoted one man as saying how he helped them build this ministry only to have them throw away their marriage he's hurt. People are saying that they noticed how in the beginning when they first started out it was fine, the messages were bible based, and they were helping the inner city communities feeding the hungry and clothing the poor, they were visiable and active in poor communities. Then all of a sudden they started preaching the "prosperity gospel" and they changed.
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khufu
Comment: Her book and video sales will increase...Oprah will have her on......more churches will sprout lead by more people who need to be healed (Blind leading the Blind) and the devil will continue misleading....consuming souls.....again I understand why it's only 144,000 that revelations states will be "saved"...
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khufu
Comment: OSUN agreed on SHaria...and......?
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khufu
Comment: see what I mean...."kblackelegance
Comment: tsktsk01: Juanita Bynum and Paula White are both Bishop Jakes; spiritual daughters (if you allow)..." Now Jakes is givng birth spiritually...I thought God did the choosing and selecting?
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khufu
Comment: I thought The Most High was the Spiritual Father? Now we want to make our own POpes...our own Fathers on Earth...all against Biblical teaching mind you...
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HarrisThomas
Comment: a viewpoint expressed by others today is encapsulated in this note from a PurposeDriven daily note: "In other words, we shouldn’t lean into legalism or lording mistakes over others. People will make mistakes, and our response should be to recognize that these things will happen. The goal is not to make those who make mistakes feel bad, but rather to let them get over it and move on." Juanita and her husband will beneft greatly from our prayers and well wishes for the best resolution of their challenge.
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khufu
Comment: lAdies and Gentlemen...welcome to the last days,,,,you aint seen nothing yet>.....
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khufu
Comment: Harris...respectfully...what does The Bible say?
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khufu
Comment: HARRIS...consider:LIST OF THE PRIMARY EVENTS PRECEDING CHRIST'S SECOND COMING
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khufu
Comment: The watering down of the gospel, teaching the doctrines of man rather than those of God. Even
priests will be led astray. (2 Tim 3:5, Matt 15:9)
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OSUN
Comment: Khufu it doesn't seem strange to me b/c statistically speaking in America there are more christians than any other religion. I would say this is an indictment of american values and not necesarrily christianity. Some would beg to differ to include catholicism in the Christian faith. I would propose that Catholicism is a pagan religion and not a christian one. Those examples you cited with R Kelly and etc would be proportionally correct based on the population and the number of christians to other religions. What is the population of Buddhist monks in america
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khufu
Comment: False prophets and false Christs (Matthew 24:24)
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khufu
Comment: Good will be called evil and evil good. (Isaiah 5:20)
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khufu
Comment: Worldly knowledge to increase (Daniel 12:4)
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khufu
Comment: A letter written by Ignatius to Christians in Smyrna [1] around 106 is the earliest surviving witness to the use of the term "Catholic Church" (Letter to the Smyrnaeans, 8). By it Ignatius designated the Christian Church in its universal aspect, excluding heretics, such as those who disavow "the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ,which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again" (Smyrnaeans, 7). He called such people "beasts in the shape of men, whom you must not only not receive, but, if it be possible, not even meet with" (Smyrnaeans, 4). The term is also used in the Martyrdom of Polycarp in 155 and in the Muratorian fragment, about 177.
St Cyril of Jerusalem (circa 315-386) urged those he was instructing in the Christian faith: "If ever thou art sojourning in cities, inquire not simply where the Lord's House is (for the other sects of the profane also attempt to call their own dens houses of the Lord), nor merely where the Church is, but where is the Catholic Church. For this is the peculiar name of this Holy Church, the mother of us all, which is the spouse of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Only-begotten Son of God" (Catechetical Lectures, XVIII, 26).[2]
The term "Catholic Christians" entered Roman Imperial law when Theodosius I, Emperor from 379 to 395, reserved that name for adherents of "that religion which was delivered to the Romans by the divine Apostle Peter, as it has been preserved by faithful tradition and which is now professed by the Pontiff (Pope) Damasus and by Peter, Bishop of Alexandria ...as for the others, since in our judgement they are foolish madmen, we decree that they shall be branded with the ignominious name of heretics, and shall not presume to give their conventicles the name of churches." This law of 27 February 380 was included in Book 16 of the Codex Theodosianus.[3] It established Catholic Christianity as the official religion of the Roman Empire.
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khufu
Comment: The use of the term "Catholic" to distinguish the "true" Church from heretical groups is found also in Augustine who wrote:
"In the Catholic Church, there are many other things which most justly keep me in her bosom. The consent of peoples and nations keeps me in the Church; so does her authority, inaugurated by miracles, nourished by hope, enlarged by love, established by age. The succession of priests keeps me, beginning from the very seat of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection, gave it in charge to feed His sheep (Jn 21:15-19), down to the present episcopate.
"And so, lastly, does the very name of Catholic, which, not without reason, amid so many heresies, the Church has thus retained; so that, though all heretics wish to be called Catholics, yet when a stranger asks where the Catholic Church meets, no heretic will venture to point to his own chapel or house.
"Such then in number and importance are the precious ties belonging to the Christian name which keep a believer in the Catholic Church, as it is right they should ... With you, where there is none of these things to attract or keep me... No one shall move me from the faith which binds my mind with ties so many and so strong to the Christian religion... For my part, I should not believe the gospel except as moved by the authority of the Catholic Church."
— St. Augustine (354–430): Against the Epistle of Manichaeus called Fundamental, chapter 4: Proofs of the Catholic Faith[4].
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khufu
Comment: you were joking right Osun about the catholic Church...it was the first European Christian entity
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LawdHvMrcy
Comment: Khufu, you are one cut-and-pasting fool! lol
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kblackelegance
Comment: khufu: its a term that's used to mean mentoring nothing more and nothing less. It just means he guided these two woman to another level in ministry that's all. God calls and does the choosing and qualifying. If I'm remembering properly these two women were already ministers when he met them, he was just instrumental in giving them a larger platform to preach the gospel. No Bishop Jakes did not give birth to these two women spiritually. That's not what the term "spiritual daughters" mean.
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khufu
Comment: List of Christian denominations (or Denominations self-identified as Christian) ordered by historical and doctrinal relationships. (See also: Christianity; Christian denominations).
Some groups are large (e.g. Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans or Baptists) while others are just a few small churches, and in most cases the relative size is not evident in this list. Also, modern movements such as Fundamentalist Christianity, Pietism, Evangelicalism, Pentecostalism and the Holiness movement sometimes cross denominational lines, or in some cases create new denominations out of two or more continuing groups (as is the case for many United and uniting churches, for example). Such subtleties and complexities are not clearly depicted here. Additionally, some groups viewed by non-adherents as denominational actively resist being called a "denomination" and do not have any formal denominational structure, authority, or record-keeping beyond the local congregation; several groups within Restorationism fall into this category.
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OSUN
Comment: The and....? is that sharia law + women = screwed.
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Snicker
Comment: --->khufu where do you work because i'm going to report you LOL!!
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khufu
Comment: here oSUN: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denomin ations
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Osun in here calling Catholicism paganistic. Someone's Baptist is showing.
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khufu
Comment: Now, what OSUN is the difference between a denomination and a sect? Nothing....so Christianity has more sects than any other religion in the freaking world
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ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: A shepherd concerned about his flock would know that this scandal leads to distraction from the word and away from Jesus. Thus a shepherd should be watchful at all times so that the sheep are not devoured by wolves. And by the way, million dollar weddings are also a distraction.
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khufu
Comment: Yes AGAIN to SHaria law but the fallibilities of ISlam have nothing to do with those of Christianity...youre trying to divert.......Islam is messed up to.....so what's your point? ANd Judaism....Im talking about the religion most Black folks blindly practice that can allow the rise of so many false prohpets
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khufu
Comment: OSUN answer the question about CHRISTIAN LAW that YLWADY posed some posts back about marriage and divorce.......forget Sharia, let's talk Christian LAw
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kblackelegance
Comment: Libra Are you sure about his age because the article is listing him to be 54 years old.
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khufu
Comment: SNICKER LOL Im working for God right now.....
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OSUN
Comment: No Khufu I am not kidding. My definition of a christian is one who follows Christ, hence christian. Just b/c that may have been the original intent, doesn't mean that is what it is. That doesn't mean all catholics are not christians, but teh organized catholic church in MY opinion is not a christian church, group, or organization. Now maybe my studying has been short sighted but I dont believe that you are supposed to pray to dead "saints", Mary, and confess my sins to some man sitting in a box(ACTS) tells me that. So NO I am not kidding.
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OSUN
Comment: Khufu I dont need a list of denominations. That is man made. I am not affiliated with a denomination. IJA you know good and well I am not Baptist, I am Lethia.
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khufu
Comment: Im outtie....Most people who say they are Christian dont believe in Christ but moreso in Paul....most who say they are Christian believe moreso in their minister and not God or Jesus..most who say they believe in the Bible dont read it.....most who say they read it have never read it throughly....most who go to church go because they were socialized to go....
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Lethia? Is that some sort of cult?
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OSUN
Comment: Khufu how am I trying to divert when YOU said or inferred that Christian is the only "religion" or faith that has scandals. I dont divert I challenged your %*$ertion. Why are you Diverting!!
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khufu
Comment: Most who say they believe in JEsus would ..starve him if he asked for something to eat...laugh at him by the way he would dress...ostracize him because he'd talk too much......tell him to shut up because he complained too much....
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OSUN
Comment: IJA it is a cult of Three. Two of us are named after my grandmother.
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OSUN
Comment: IJA, if you consider membership in sorority a cult, then I pleed guilty.
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khufu
Comment: OSUN we agree
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Lee Bailey called me. He told me to make sure this hits 300. More hits more $$$. Keep it coming ladies. About 6 more to go.
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OSUN
Comment: Khufu I am not most people. When I am approached by individuals for money(it is never food, sometimes it is money to purchase food. If I have cash I give it to them. I offer to buy them food, yet they dont want it, they want the money to buy food) And I dont know most people so I would not be able to make your all emcompassing statements.
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OSUN
Comment: Khufu I will also admit that I dont know alot of so called christian law so our talk will be limited. However my limited understanding about divorce is that God frowns on it except in cases of adultery.
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khufu
Comment: everyone in the pulpit who says they are called by God aint...Proverbs 14:12, 16:25 tells us that, "there is a way that seems right to a man
but its end is death thereof."
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Osun< I hate to break it to you, but a sorority is most defintely a cult. And if two of y'all are named after your grandmother, than grandma makes 3. You are in two cults. *throws bottle of deer park holy water on Osun*
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khufu
Comment: If a person worships a minister, they are in for some surprises...that's all Im saying...
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OSUN
Comment: Khufu I will admit in my flesh that I look for ways not to believe Paul b/c my natural me thinks he is too strict. So I am not one who worships Paul, he makes me sick (thats IJAs influence)
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khufu
Comment: and some disappointments
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OSUN
Comment: IJA I haven't been active in years so do you think I have been jumped out of the sorority cult. As a matter of fact all regular posters and lurkers are part of the EUR cult.
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khufu
Comment: OSUN I wasnt saying you necessarily, just so-called Christians in general
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khufu
Comment: Gotta go the doors of the spaceship are closing (Ezekiel's wheel) and I must leave you earth creatures for a minute.........
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OSUN
Comment: Khufu, I dont take any of this personally. What it boils down to is that people are generally and basically fvked up. If you put your faith in man you will be screwed. That is not being negative, faithless, or cynical. That is the plain and simple truth. Once you adopt this lethiaism then you should be spared undue amounts of disappointment, surprises and dispair. When I hear of scandoulous things that ministers or people of God do I am disappointed but not devastated b/c they are not God. So ultimately Khufu we agree on a basic level.
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Osun< ditto on the strictness, but I'm not taking blame for your hedonism. If I were going to join a cult it would most definitely not be THIS ONE! lol *signing out*
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OSUN
Comment: Oh Khufu I thought you were talking about that giant wheel in the sky the NOI believes in.
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jctunes2
Comment: Hey, blackelegance - could you provide a link to the story that says Paula & Randy White are divorcing? I haven't seen anything about that online. Thanks!
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ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: Now Soror OSUN...you know you ain't in know cul, active or not! unless we recently decided to worship and pour out oil over the shrine of the founders. Then that is a memo I did not receive. besides, you know there aren't any refunds from headquarters. LOL
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bigchassie
Comment: GOLLLLEEEEE!! OVER 300 POST ON THIS TODAY!! YALL KEEPING IT HOT I SEE. let me scroll and lurk.
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OSUN
Comment: Mas90 call Lee Bailey and tell him you deserve a bonus the posts are over 300
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dcdouglass01
Comment: The following excerpt (currently on http://www.coloredgirlswhohaveconsidered.blogspot.com/ ) would seem to indicate the good bishop had trouble with his wife's success. He knew the path she was on before they married and surely couldn't have expected her to become a demur, quiet housewife. Not saying the fault all lies with him (I believe a woman---a skillful woman at least---can be simultaneously be strong AND feminine), but his own words here seem to point out some shortcomings (likewise, a skillful man can be both masculine AND soft).
This is an excerpt from Bishop Thomas Weeks III book 'What's On Your Mind'
I have heard it said that truth is stranger than fiction. It is also more humorous because it is real. My wife and I were vacationing on Martha's Vineyard, eating breakfast at our favorite restaurant. Since we were still going through our " early marriage adjustments" at that time, trying to fit my schedule and her schedule into married life. I said something that I should not have said. The subject should have not been brought up at that time, but I brought it up, and I know she had a right to be upset the moment my words came out of my mouth.
I must say she conducted herself like the lady she is, quietly getting up and leaving the restaurant. She could have said a lot of things, but very wisely, she simply left. I knew she was angry, and as it is often said, the best defense is a good offense, so I got angry. Actually, I became furious.
I settled the check, went out and got in the car, started it, and pulled forward to where she was.
She was holding her cell phone like she was ready to call someone, but I said, "come on now, and get in the car. Let's go back to the hotel" She looked at me like she could have hit me and told me to go on--she would walk. Of course, I did the wrong thing--I rolled up the window and started off. I had barely move a few feet when I heard an awful thump. I thought, Surely she didn't throw that cell phone at my car.
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dcdouglass01
Comment: (cont.) I jumped out of the car, and yes, there was her cell phone in three pieces. Nothing was broken, and my car didn't have a scratch on it, but this situation was far from over. She got into the back seat (refusing to sit by me) and proceeded to tell me what I had done wrong (as if I wasn't already regretting it) Then I heard her call and talk to a friend, "Girl, I want to get off this island right now..."
I was driving and trying to decide what I should do next. I kept telling her to get off the phone and she kept getting louder. She finally told me to stop and let her out. I stopped the car, let her out, and pulled the car down a little way (not far, mind you). I stopped the car again, got out and walked toward her, trying to show her I was the man. That's when she reached and grabbed a rock--a big one. I knew it was time to get honest: this girl had grown up on the West Side of Chicago. My first step was to pray. Then I did what any husband would do--I disarmed her.
It was good for us to have that moment, humorous as it sounds, because it allowed us to move to a new level of honesty. I was able to tell her why I had said what I did in the restaurant. I told her the reason why I had acted the way I did. Now, we were dealing with us. When two people come together, there is a level of truth both discern instantly: other levels of truth take years to begin to understand.
We must be open to honesty, as well as to corrections and rebuke, even if we do not agree with what the other person is saying. We never know the full extent of another person's struggles--in his or her early or adolescent years or later in single or married life. We must maintain the attitude of no harm intended and keep an earnest passion to get things right in order to take into account the needs of the other person.
Having an earnest passion to get it right is essential. This requires that you get inside the heart of the other person to see what he/she has been through. Not only will this give you more sensitivity, it will convince you that there are more important things in life than arguing. Share your emotions, sit down, and talk things out.
It is not easy being married to Prophetess Bynum. She is such a wonderful person that people feel the need to shield and protect her, but there are also those people who would like to control her life. Some people did not want her to marry me, because it changed their perception of who she is. I had to admit to her that I had a difficult time dealing with people who might hurt her in any way. In turn, she shared there were things about me that she didn't like. (Just imagine!) She is a wonderful wife, yet she has been called to the nations. It would be extremely difficult for her to sit down, be a First Lady in our church, and be content staying in one spot when God has called her to other assignments.
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OSUN
Comment: Soror Chocolate now you know there is a sect that worships everything about us. They eat drink and sleep it.
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kblackelegance
Comment: jctunes2: http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/aug/23/church-change/ ?news-breaking
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jctunes2
Comment: kblackelegance: you're the BOMB! Thanks! *shaking head at story*
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: Its interesting to me that people here are using an incident between 2 preachers as an excuse to bash Christianity. Unfortunatley, clergypeople in all religions fail, and commit theft, sexual sin, and other sins. Why is it when a Christian leader falls, people use that to bash Christianity itself?.... but these same people dont bash Islam, even though 500,000+ BLACK people have been killed in Sudan by arab muslims in the name of Islam? and you dont hear a peep out of these Christian-bashers even though Christians, Hindus, Bhuddists and other non-Christians regularly face discrimation, persecution, and violence in Muslim countries all over the world? Hmmm? Lemme hear some of you speak on that.
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ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: Soror OSUN....ahh yes, but those ladies have no life and lack social skills. LOL
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OSUN
Comment: DoctorSmooth I wish you had been here earlier before Khuf checked out.
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OSUN
Comment: Your right.
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OSUN
Comment: Dangit. You're right.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: DoctorSmooth >> I was just about outta here but had to shout out to ya . . . the slaughter of Black muslims in Sudan is a scandal and it's made worse by the bickering among the world's governments about whether it's genocide
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LawdHvMrcy
Comment: Where is Pastor Kearney and his prayer cloth when you need him?
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OSUN
Comment: Lawd is that he pastor with the braids/dreads that sells those green cloths. They look like table napkins. This is Rev Run's pastor.
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OSUN
Comment: In all seriousness I can't beleive that people sell and people buy these crazy things. That is sooo crazy to me.
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khufu
Comment: DOCSMOOTH...AGain...Christianity it the topic because guess what? Those who the story is about are Christians..georg Bush,,,Christian.,,,,,America...Vick...Karl Rove....Bill Clinton...Christian....pick a scandal.....go head. Now most of our folks are following "Christian" leaders and being lead blindly....straight down the wide road........Now, As I always stae Islam in the SUdan...Islam used to Subjugate and oppress..wrong...but we aint talking about no Imam's here now are we?
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khufu
Comment: Christianity is being mass commercialized...America calls itself a Christian nation and does all kinds of evil in the name of Christianity....The Catholic Church......and on and on...the Christian squeaky wheel gets oiled....
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LawdHvMrcy
Comment: Osun, Pastor Kearney is the dude with the call in show that starts preaching, then all of a sudden a *GAAAAAAWWWWWWWWDDDDDD* comes out of his mouth. Look for him on YouTube. There is a call in where he prays, hoops and hollers for this person's healing for about 2 minutes and then asks the person did that make it better... The person responded weakly "No Pastor Kearney". Here is a good clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xCwmw8tf7k HEHEHEHELARIOUS!
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tsktsk01
Comment: FACT CHECK: That slaughter of Muslims in the Sudan began as a mass kidnapping, enslavement, and raping of Sudanese Christians, which by the way no one wanted to talk about in the black community. White Christians raised the money to purchase those people out of slavery and went over with medic ministries to treat the women and girls mutilated by the rapings.
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khufu
Comment: those Muslim fools and idiots who blew up the Buddhist statutes in Afghanistan in the name of Islam....fools......TRUTH transcends all religions....so ON THIS DAY as Bynum and her hubby are Christian ministers and they are Black and Black folks follow them blindly and loyally and all the rest of the mega=church ministers....we focus on Christianity...it's not rocket science
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ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: Dr. Smooth so true, so true! HARRIS THOMAS....as usual...on point!
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YLawdY
Comment: How come no one answered my questions? Since I only go to church once a year or so, I'd really be interested in knowing what the church people say.
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khufu
Comment: In the Sudan, the problem is the ARab Muslims killing Sudanese people who are not Muslim......it is not a mass pogrom against Christians.....Christians spin that......they are killing anyone in Sudan not Muslim..... why? For the oil and the land not for religion
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: Harriet.. I agree. No argument here. . OSUN… I was on earlier, and then I watched for a while, while Khufu went on his religion bashing (which was really Christian- bashing) rant. It’s funny how whenever these people talk about how corrupt “religion” is today, and how “preachers” are misleading people, they seem to only use Christianity as their example. They don’t talk about Muslim imams all over the world inciting terrorists to kill innocent people, commit suicide in the name of Allah, etc. Aren’t these imams corrupt “preachers” too, aren’t they misleading people by the thousands and the millions too, and have blood on their hands? Why aren’t they held accountable. When you point out the atrocities done in the name of Islam, these same apologists want to tell you that Islam is really a "religion of peace" . Yeah aiight. You can believe that if you want to.
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khufu
Comment: YLAWDY they aint gon answer either..
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khufu
Comment: DOCTOR SMOOTH prove that Muslim Imams all over the world are inciting terrorism
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realuvbaby
Comment: I know I'm a little late, I'm a Christian and this is what I believe: I believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I believe that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and that Mary is the Mother of Jesus. I believe Christ was crucified and rose on the third day. I believe that there is but one to God, and that's through his son. I have accepted Jesus as my Lord and Saviour. I follow the teachings of Christ, as in his sermon on the Mount. I also believe There is not a righteous man on earth who does what is right and never sins. I believe that the wages of sin is death. I believe in the entire contents of the Bible (some books are allegedly missing, but His Word has stood the test of time and the only thing I know that has never changed. Almost everyone knows that we make bad choices. A Christian knows these bad choices as "sin" and that those bad choices keep us separated from God. We want to do things our own way. We are self centered, independent from God, each one seeking his and her own way, focused on getting all we can for ourselves. It's the "I, Me, My and Mine" disease. I believe God has a plan that He is in the process of carrying out right now! His plan is to establish His kingdom on earth and that involves a battle. All great battles have times when the enemy is advancing and times when the enemy retreats. God says this: By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
They will say of me, 'In the LORD alone are righteousness and strength.'" All who have raged against him will come to him and be put to shame.
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momomomma
Comment: ----> RealSmiles, thanks for making mention of Bishop Vashti and other women ministers who actually manage to balance marriage and ministry...
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khufu
Comment: For the record I belong to an Afrocentric Presbyterian Church that worships Jesus...so I stand on truth...and truth is Christianity has caused more problems around the world more than any other religion...Islam has enslaved and subjugated and oppressed as well....but if you know anything about the history of religion, youd know that Christianity is tops bro/sis!
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khufu
Comment: DOCSMOOTH Im waiting for proof....
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khufu
Comment: The Crusades were a series of military conflicts of a religious character waged by Christians during 1095–1291, most of which were sanctioned by the Pope in the name of Christendom.[1] The Crusades originally had the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the sacred "Holy Land" from Muslim rule and were originally launched in response to a call from the Eastern Orthodox Byzantine Empire for help against the expansion of the Muslim Seljuq dynasty into Anatolia. This is ironic, as the crusades have now been compared to the Muslims Jihad.[2][3]
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HarrisThomas
Comment: specifically, it was the Taliban who demolished the ancient Buddhist statues even though there were appeals from around the world requesting that the statues remain unharmed . . . this is an example of religious persecution by a group that has a highly judgemental, fanatical and growing following . . . Christian scandals are not the only religious scandals
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khufu
Comment: DOCSMOOTH...here's more....The year was 1095 CE, William the Conqueror had united England under one crown 30 years earlier.* The French had been dividing properties amongst their sons for generations, causing bloodshed between brothers over small pieces of real estate. In reaction, Pope Urban II expanded "The Truce of God", which outlawed fighting from Sunday to Wednesday, and banned fighting involving priests, monks, women, laborers and merchants on any day of the week. Italy was a collection of city-states, constantly being overrun by invading hordes, the latest of which were the Normans, who had just started to become "civilized".
There was also the Byzantine empire, ruling from Constantinople, whose emperor at this time was Alexius Comnenus. To his East, the Turks were rapidly encroaching on his empire, and had begun attacking pilgrims on their way to - and in - Jerusalem, causing him great distress. He wrote to his friend Robert, the Count of Flanders, in 1093, telling him about supposed atrocities committed by the Turks on the Christian pilgrims, and Robert passed this letter on to Pope Urban II. Urban, an opportunist, saw this as a perfect way to solve some of his local problems. He personally promoted a Holy Crusade to reclaim the Holy Lands from the barbarian Turks. Thus, the First Crusade was launched in 1096 CE.
At this point, we need a list of players. Many went along, but only a few are worth remembering. It was an international group, with members from France, Italy and England. From France, we have Hugh the (not so) Great, Count of Vermandois, brother of the French King of Northern and Central France, and a man of little character with no other importance to our story. With him were Godfrey, Baldwin and Eustace of Bouillon, sons of the Duke of Lower Lorraine - descended through their mother from Charlemagne - along with their cousin, Baldwin Le Bourg. Also from France, we have Raymond IV of Saint-Gilles, Count of Toulouse, who had already fought the Moors in Spain. His mother was a princess of Barcelona. He was the first to "Take the Cross".
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khufu
Comment: some yall be talkin out the sides of your mouths...Im waiting...
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OSUN
Comment: Khufu and Ylawdy I answered your quesitons about divorce to the best of my knowlege. scroll up
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khufu
Comment: HARRIS DId I say that Christian scandals were the only ones? AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN...I qualified it by asking for those scandals that you could READILY cite l;like those Christians have been facing and experiencing in the last 20 or so years here in this wonderful Christian, God=fearing country......
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Mas90
Comment: OSUN... Bailey said check is the mail. I told him don't take me through what Vivica went through.
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khufu
Comment: while people including the Catholic church used Christianity to condone the enslavement of your ancestors and yet you practice the white version of that same religion....madness....
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khufu
Comment: Christian George Bush blew up Iraq in the name of a Christian God...is that anything like a scandal??
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reno112303
Comment: Well, when I first saw their wedding on TBN, I thought: "I smell b!tch." Plus, he wasn't fresh out the barber's chair--that was a tell-tell sign to me. Who the flip gets married and doesn't have an I just left the beauty/barber shop an hour ago "Do?" It reminded me of my cousin's first marriage when she didn't get her hair relaxed! Well, she was divorced five years later.
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khufu
Comment: ANd he continues to lie as a good old Christian....and Rove and Rice and Bill CLinton and Nixon and George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and Henry Lyons and Jesse Jackson and sheet I can go on for years...........you keep saying Taliban...can you give me some other proof please...you already used Elijah Muhammad and Taliban...gimme more,,,name some Taoists or Buddhists or some Bahai's...Here: NUMBER ONE RELIGION THAT HAS COMMITTED THE MOST ATROCITIES IN THE WORLD,,,,CHIRSTIANITY..SECOND...ISLAM...THIRD...JUDAIS M......okay now who else?
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khufu
Comment: WHy is it that when someone criticizes Christianity the best a person can do is attack ISlam? Sheet I feel the same way about Islam...so now he you got to use against my truth %*$ertions about Christianity? Negroes please......
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khufu
Comment: AGAIN here is the point of the matter: maTTHEW 23:....."1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5"Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'
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khufu
Comment: 13"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.[c]
15"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.
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GHank
Comment: The man is already out of jail. He already posted bond.
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khufu
Comment: 16"Woe to you, blind guides! You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.' 17You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18You also say, 'If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.' 19You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
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khufu
Comment: 23"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
25"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
27"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
29"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' 31So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
37"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. 38Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'[d]"
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khufu
Comment: IS EVERYONE WHO SAYS THEY ARE CALLED OR SENT BY cHRIST TRULY SENT?
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khufu
Comment: are men and women justified by book sales and popularity? are they justified by tv time and packed houses? are they to be honored as God-chosen by TV ratings?
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HarrisThomas
Comment: khufu, I actually started to send a note with Wikipedia and changed my mind because it would not serve any useful purpose . . . you have already stated that there seems to be more Christian scandal than any other religious scandal which is not true . . . much more factually correct is that Europeans have deeply documented the Christian religion and Americans most certainly deeply document Christianity in the US . . . while a body of scholarly work exists about Islam, it has not had the deep documentation that the West is accustomed to accessing . . . the modern Middle Eastern conflicts have created expansive interest of all facets of culture in that area including religion . . . generally, Westerners don't know or understand Islam or understand what makes Muslims upset enough to burn down the world for posting pictures of Prophet Muhamed, peace be upon him, in any media format and they don't like having their pictures posted because it is irreligous for them . . . when one does not generally understand a religion or its culture, how does one speak to its shortcomings . . . so, you are quite correct, we ought to stick to disparaging Chrisianity and Christian leadership
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nightshift
Comment: I have not one doubt in my mind she will take him back. Why? because she won't want to harm his career(as if she's done it singlehandedly).
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: Harris... sorry for manngling your name earlier... Khufu... I'm not here to argue with folk. I wanted to make a point and I made it.I'm not here to argue back and forth with people online. That is pointless.
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GHank
Comment: OK..who's going to by the book, "Snakes In The Pulpit"?
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: For those of you who missed my point... my point is not to attack islam per se. My point is that there is a lot you can point to if you decide you want to criticize religions out there. But the fact is, people like to come on here, and say how bad, corrupting, etc, religion is.. and their primary example they always want to use is Christianity... even though there's far worse atrocities being done now in the name of Islam than in any other religion right now. However these people often like to pretend they are againt "bad religion" as a whole, while in fact, they have a particular anti-Christian bias, for whatever reasons. If you were to listen to them speak, you'd think Chrsitianty is the only religion that has had "issues". Their bias comes out, no matter how much they try to mask it.
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GHank
Comment: All I know is that until yesterday, I have never heard of this woman. The man (her estranged husband) has posted bail and for all we know, they could be having make up sex as we speak.
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duckapoo
Comment: When I was a teenager over 30 years ago, my French teacher told me during a casual conversation, "Any man that will hit you, will kill you. It doesn't matter who he is, who his family is, how much money he has. ANY man who will hit you, will kill you. If you don't leave him the first time he does it, you have just signed your own death warrant." As the years have gone by I see she was right. I pray with all my heart that Ms. Bynum chooses life and shows this very sick man the door.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: Khufu.... True, the Muslims who are killing others in southern Sudan don’t just kill Christians, so you could say it’s not a pogrom against Christians per se. Yes, they also kill animists and any other non-Muslims there, so what’s your point? . Christians are unable to safely practice their religion in Sudan, and they are killed because of it, but the best you can say is that because its not a specific anti-Christian "pogrom”, that its a spin job by Christians to re draw attention to the crisis? That’s very weak, and you know it. Muslims all over the world holler and scream if 20 Muslims get killed by Israeli soldiers in Palestine. But they are strangely quiet when their Sudanese Muslim brothers kill hundreds of thousands of non-Muslims in the name of their religion. If this is supposed to be a religion of peace, how come none of these Muslim nations are criticizing Sudan for making their “peaceful” religion look bad?
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realuvbaby
Comment: We should all be reaching for a level of spirituality -- not religion! We are spiritual beings having earthly experiences, not the other way around. Besides, there is an awful lot of bad religion out there and can be found in ALL religions. Terrorism is a result of bad religion. Slavery was bad religion. Please don't indict Christianity here. Indict it at your own risk, because Christ says NO MAN SHALL COME TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME. I assume that includes Jews, Muslims, Christians, Hindi, Buddhists. If it's a lie, then Christ said so. Please don't indict Christianity.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: And also, KHUFU… just to prove how you’re being selective here. Lets not forget, YOU were the one who said that the scandals we hear about are all “Christian stuff”. By saying that, you imply that Christianity is the most scandal-ridden religion in the world!! and youre the one who also said in a previous post: "does this happen in Buddhism? Islam? Judaism? "Ok. ... That’s why is was appropriate for me to bring Islam into it. Because whatever you can blame Swaggart, Bakker, etc for pales in comparison to the worlds largest genocide taking place right now in the name of religion. What bigger religious scandal is there right now than Muslims killing 500,000+ non muslims in the name of their religion? If you ignore that, and ignore the scandalous stuff going on in the name of Islam, then its because you are being willfully blind. Sure, the conversation was initially about Christian preachers. But once you try to paint 1 religion as being the most “scandalous” of all, in light of all we know that’s going on in the name of Mohammed, your bias becomes even more obvious.
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bigchassie
Comment: my word! my word! yall been talkin up in here today. shoot! where is the communion sip-sip!
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jctunes2
Comment: Now we begin to see a little bit of the events leading up to all this...http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/ stories/2007/08/24/weekschurch_0825_web.html?cxntlid=h omepage_tab_newstab
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BlkATLTop
Comment: The attorney for Weeks said yesterday (Friday) that his client tried to walk away and return to his car when Prophetmess Juanita refused to let him leave. He also intimated that Prophetmess was staying at the hotel, not Weeks. So, I wonder if he caught her in the throws of passion with another man? Stay tuned. more will be revealed Sept 7.
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khufu
Comment: to be continued monday......
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4500
Comment: it seem the rich have time to do is commit crime things need to turn around
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CHOSENBYGOD
Comment: khufu i was reading the message bords and i have to agree that you are CHRISTIAN BASHING!!! Yet, you have all this so-called knowledge that Christians and the Bible. You need to study more because there are religiuos sects that do way worst than commit adultery, lie, steal,etc.Let's be honest here, sin is sin. Whether your religion condones or opposes it. We all have to answer for our own. So it doesn't matter in the end does it, because He will either say, "Well done", or "Depart from me." I personally am striving daily to uphold the WORD OF GOD abd it isn't always easy. GOD is unveiling more and more and someone like you HE isn't impressed that you think you know religion. It is about your relationship with HIM and HIM only.
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CHOSENBYGOD
Comment: There ae far worst things to come than this story of the Prophetess and The Bishop. We should just pray that whatever GOD is seeking to reveil even in this situation where HIS own have put thmselves in situations such as this, that HE has to "show up and show out" because HIS WORD is being challenged. I hope that those of us who serve HIM
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CHOSENBYGOD
Comment: I HOPE THAT THOSE OF US WHO SERVE HIM ARE SERVING HIM IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: >>>Khufu... just to respond to an earlier "question" you asked me. You said "prove that Muslim Imams all over the world are inciting terrorism". You're kidding, right? OK. Lets see, over the past few years we've seen devout muslims have been arrested/convicted for commiting or planning to commit terrorist activites in the name of their religion in the USA, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, England, Scotland, Iraq, India, Nigeria, Lebanon, Israel, Spain, and other countries. Does that answer your question? Since you feel like asking dumb questions, do you also need me to "prove" to you that 1+1=2 ??
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gingerg
Comment: Now, this rascal is telling his congregation that the "devil" made him do it. That is downright insulting to the intelligence of the members, but if they sit there and listen to it, shame on them.
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Name:
tsktsk01
Comment: Yep, he said it was the devil. And I saw a sermon by A. R. Bernard who said taht the devil isn't omnipresent, he can't be everywhere. The fact that he showed up at church tells me that their egoes are overriding any semblance of spirituality they may have... If any.
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dcdouglass01
Comment: As I intimated in an earlier post last week (an excerpt from the Bishop's book), he has an ego problem, e.g., his wife being a more important and well-known figure than himself, and it has gotten the best of him.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: My Disclaimer: My criticism of Christianity is not against Christ but against those (I believe the majority) who come in His name but practice a religion that does not follow his mandate nor His life example.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: CHOSENBYGOD: " You said that my comments and criticisms re: The Bynum Incident were " "Christian bashing." Well LOL you sound to me like those Pharisees, Saducees, Scribes who attacked Jesus when He critiques their religious practices. LOL Ironic, isnt. It. Furthermore, I never claimed to have knowledge of the Bible and Christianity you claim I have. All I as doing was citing Biblical scriptures and my "opinion" isnt that what ministers do? True, I have researched my opinions. Do ministers do that? It seems to me that youre problem is not with me but with the Bible and those insights that are different than yours. Do you diagree with those Biblical scriptures that I posted?
What did I say that you consider "Christian bashing?"
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Name:
khufu
Comment: REALUVBABY: To continue our conversation from Friday: You, like me, profess to be a defender of The Messiah/The Christ. In my mind, that is different than being a defender of the religion called Christianity. As you are a staunch defender of Jesus. Please, let us enter into an intelligent and informed discussion:
1) What was Jesus’ name before it was Jesus?
2) When did Jesus become Christian?
3) Can you point to me one instance in the Bible when Jesus referred to himself as "Christian?"
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khufu
Comment: REALOVE and CHOSEENBYGOD: I didnt say that there would be many coming in the name of Christ but would really be hypocrites…..please actually read…" Matthew 7: 21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
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khufu
Comment: REAL LOVE: Many would actually do "miracles" in the name of Christ and yet be rejected by HIM…not Khufu…Im just telling you what HE SAID….most of these people out here ministering arent necessarily sent by Christ…wake up!
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khufu
Comment: DOCTORSMOOTH: Your "Proof" that Imams are inciting terrorism is based on what you have been told by YT and media. Have you actually heard, in English (Unless you speak and understand Arabic) promote or incourage terrorism? Terrorism, now. Or are you parroting what you have been hypnotized to parrot?
DOCTORSMOOTH: Has Christianity ever been used to encourage terrorism against a people or culture?
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Name:
DoctorSmooth
Comment: Khufu? After seeing that last response to my post you you, I cant help but wonder what color is the sky in your world. So... the fact that Muslim terrorists have been arrested in all those countries I mentioned is because Whitey and the media have been lying to us? Or are you saying it really isnt happening, and the media is just making it all up? ( I hadnt even mentioned Germany, Yemen, Australia, Thailand, Malaysia,Kenya, Indonesia, and a few others on my previous list). Doesnt matter anyway. I'm convinced you are either being intellectually dishonest, or you are sadly, totally, in denial (or both). Either way,I dont think there's anything more for us to talk about on this subject. Have a good day.
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CHOSENBYGOD
Comment: khufu I agree with anything THE BIBLE has to say, how about you? how can you say that they are false prophets when they have been chosen? Prophetess Bynum has a very unique ministry and it has been a very effective ministry, despite current circumstances. God desires for HIS children to prosper and some say that she is all about money. She had to endure some things to gt to where she is, and the Bible says that<"He won't put more on us than we can bare." God is still in control and I believe that some things just had to happen in order for God to get the attention of His people.
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Name:
BlkATLTop
Comment: ChosenbyGod- not to get into any on-going debate over this issue, how do you know they were indeed "chosen" by God? Not all ministers are chosen by God, but instead, they select themselves without God. My next question is exactly what is a "Prophetess"? I don't recall seeing that term in the Bible, nor do a recall any of the Prophets being women. I'm just asking. I have seen Bynum before and I was totally not impressed. I could have stomached it, had she not begged for money the entire time (money lines, $1,000 and up) to get blessing. May God bless you and keep you.
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Name:
tsktsk01
Comment: Many are called but few are chosen... There is a man with a book, Snakes in the Pulpit and one of the points he makes is that many of the folks we look up to as preachers/teachers were never called by God but my human beings. We watching the separation of the wheat from the tare right in front of us. This morning I listened to Paula White on her TV show and heard several bad teachings from Scripture. I watched 'Nita at her conference on TV and Weeks was on the sideline when she said MY husband is not my enemy and said some thing that countered biblical teaching. Jesus isn't going to beat them down as much as He's going to beat down all of us who blindly followed and didn't get in that Bible for ourselves to study to show ourselves approved. Nope, we don't study and show Bynum, Weeks, Jakes and all others approved. This is getting sadder and sadder.
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Name:
tsktsk01
Comment: CHOSEN: Read this...
(Jeremiah 5: 26-31)
26 "Among my people are wicked men who lie in wait for victims like a hunter hiding in a blind. They are continually setting traps for other people. 27 Like a cage filled with birds, their homes are filled with evil plots. And the result? Now they are great and rich. 28 They are well fed and well groomed, and there is no limit to their wicked deeds. They refuse justice to orphans and deny the rights of the poor. 29 Should I not punish them for this?" asks the LORD. "Should I not avenge myself against a nation such as this? 30 "A horrible and shocking thing has happened in this land ? 31 the prophets give false prophecies, and the priests rule with an iron hand. And worse yet, my people like it that way! But what will you do when the end comes?
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Name:
RMP7772000
Comment: Hey some of yall are making me laugh and i'm trying to be serious. I have been watching Juanita and Paula White for years. And I knew they men could not stand the power and out pour they get from the public. Now I know why they didn't put Juanita on my church channel TBN, on sptember 28-29. She was recouperating from bruises from her sorry husband. And I only call him that becuse he hit her! Stay blessed and safe my sisters. And if you are really a PROPHET, you would have saw this coming! Just a thought from some one who has been there and got out twice with NO BRUISES!!!!!!!LIVING HAPPILLIY ON MY OWN!!!!!!!TAKE THE BLINDERS OFF-IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK AND ACTS LIKE A DUCK- IT'S A DUCK!!!
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