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nightshift
Comment: He deserves another opportunity? For what? To kill her? If he beat her in the street, this negro has done it before, and probably worse in the confines of the home.
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Gurlfrand
Comment: >nightshift - you know black people are the most forgiving people in America.
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BlkATLTop
Comment: He received cheers and applause? Those people at that church sound crazy as hel.
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fanteeking
Comment: "The devil made me do it!" LOL!! I just know that Flip Wilson is up in heaven laughing so hard that his wings are losing their feathers!! Honestly folks, I believe there is a new disease in Black America called "Mega-Church-Philia-itis". In everys city, there are these high profile mega-ministers who can fleece the flock and literally get away with murder. They can raid the collection plate every Sunday while many of the church members can't feed their kids or pay the light bill. When did we Black folks in urban Amerikkka a la the mega-church phenomena "get stuck on stupid?"
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PlanetRock
Comment: [fly on the wall]..."Bishop Weeks deserves another chances because he's our brother...but those damn homosexuals got to go from our church." (wink wink) Doesn't that picture of Bishop Weeks look like he is saying, "Deacon Jones, you believe me right? See, what had happened was..." Why do I think that if Bishop Weeks had killed Juanita Bynum some of the congregation would still support him? Speechless.
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fuzzygoss
Comment: ^5 @fanteeking and PlanetRock. >>>THE DEVIL MADE ME DO IT is the christian classic cop out >>>The devil is soon gonna tire of hypocrites placing the blame on him. Mark my words because even the devil gets tired of playing the fool too!!! >>>
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robijoa
Comment: Can you say BRAINWASH? Black people are looking for role models, any type of role model to lead them. Our communities are for the most part in ruin, so we figure if drama are in our lives, it can be in his too. I don't agree with it, but it is what it is. Remember Jim Jones?
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bigheadbull2
Comment: We give the devil too much credit. Sometimes, no most of the times it's just us. "Those that know the will of the Lord and refuse to do it are bruised with many stripes".
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fuzzygoss
Comment: ^^^I sent the story to Bible toting revelers and they have been quieter than a church mouse. LMFAO!!! >>>There is no acceptable explanation for him hitting a woman, never mind the fact that he's a Bishop. >>>
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nightshift
Comment: Now are Al & Jesse gonna bring up the rear? I'd bet dollars to donuts, she'll go back to him. She's gonna be brow beaten by the church. And since she's very successful($$)some people think she needed to be taken down a peg or two. I'm going to pray that she stays away from Mr Thang.
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nycGYRL888
Comment: I too believe that folks are just brainwashed. I understand we all make mistakes (some more than others), but beating your wife down publicly or privately especially when you are a "man of God" is absurd! Yes he deserves forgiveness...but he does not deserve congregational support. He obviously has been leading a double life which clearly means he has been misleading his flock.
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BigBlackRod
Comment: Whatever happened to "take no scrip for your journey"? These jacklegs not only been takin' scrip, they been takin' cars, jewelry, boats and and obscene amounts of cash for they journey. If Jesus himself walked back into the church today, he'd get run out of the building for not being "presentable" enough...PEACE.
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...Somebody shoulda hit him in the face with a sweet potato pie...I know sister Maybeline made a few to sell after service...She shoulda threw one at his cowardly azz...I know some pastors romp and trick but I ain't nevah heard of one stomp and kick...I can't believe they cheered and clapped...I know ya gotta forgive so sayeth the Lord but I woulda asked for forgivness after I beat his punk azz...
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HarrisThomas
Comment: these people are overtaken by the cult trance of charismatic personality and it has nothing to do with GOD . . . SMHID: drew cheers and applause as he was introduced during service Sunday at Global Destiny Ministries, the Atlanta church he founded . . . pray for these people and agape love them from a great distance
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TGen
Comment: As I wrote yesterday, I find this ignant negro's using "the devil made me do it" cliche much more offensive than Mike Vick's "I found Jesus" cliche. I mean really, give me a freakin break. Sit yo azz down, lol (And I rarely talk like that, but that ish just makes my skin crawl! YUCK!)
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sdedee
Comment: Yea, beat your wife its cool, kill a dog go to the pen!! Help us Father!!!
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BlkATLTop
Comment: Sdedee- Vick's case is much further along than Weeks. So it's still possible that Weeks could get some jail time, although probably very limited. Weeks has also been charged on making terroristic threats.
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McNasty
Comment: Black folk need to wake up and pay attention! I don't understand this kind of loyalty any more than I understand those of his lost flock here in DC! I wouldn't be sitting in a store front church watching my pastor and his wife pull up in a high end luxury car dripping furs and diamonds and think that's okay! His fall from grace will only be complete when we learn that forgiveness doesn't mean putting that person back in position to lead or even to speak too much louder than a whisper. There has to come a time when the fallen have to just 'be still'.
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pdub
Comment: I agree with all the comments above. We as a people are now at a place where we are applauding and cheering a wife beater?? So if he'd killed her then what? Of course everyone has a misstep in life and I am all for praying for a change in the brother. But I also think he needs to be held accountable and serve his time. And applauding and cheering seems to me, to condone his actions!! The very interesting thing to me is that I haven't heard comments from the other *mega church* televangelists on this whole mess (or maybe I missed something). Isn't this incident the perfect opportunity to really teach and preach on something substantive and really make people???
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Debonair
Comment: People are human and make mistakes but Church is not church anymore...it is a business and these pastors( both men and women) are taking the Diddy market approach to it. There are many well to do educated brothers and sisters out here and they know it.Church is filled with faggots,dykes,cheaters, theives, alcoholics, drug abusers, dope dealers, thugs and hustlers. Essentially, it's like a rap video or one of those horrible hood books that are out these days.Church is filled with bling, and drama. Anything but redemption and salvation. That's why i sought a better way to serve the Most High.
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MDhornet
Comment: Cheers and applause? WOW. I have no words. Debonair, church is supposed to be filled with Church is filled with faggots,dykes,cheaters, theives, alcoholics, drug abusers, dope dealers, thugs and hustlers. Jesus didn't come to save the already saved. The problem is these folk are sitting up in church and not enough is being said from the pulpit to convict them and inspire them to want to change. As long as the collection plate stays full, seems all is well. I'm so turned off by so many church-related things now. I hear so many preaching and "prophesying" about wealth and material gain. Souls are being lost for greed.
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recognizelife
Comment: "Let no man deprive you of the prize who takes delight in a MOCK HUMILITY and a form of worship of the angels, taking his stand on the things he has seen, puffed up without proper cause by his fleshly frame of mind," 1Cor. 2:18
Even though i opened with scripture, this is not a sermon. It is a warning to those that think that they can use the power of God to build upon the foundation of the Christ for their own selfish motives.
I almost had to laugh when I realized in the simplest sense of marriage, that there is, nor probably has never been any real unity within this marriage. They do not even share the same last name. Luke 16:10 says, "he that is faithful in what is least is faithful in much"....
As a married couple, supposedly doing, not some but all things for the glory of the Father, can not even agree to use the same last name, that shows me that they did not understand what Genesis 2:24. This looks like a marriage of conveyance. One that was set up so that they both could achieve prominence.
I have heard of a woman not taking her husband's name for "professional reasons", but within the congregation and before God? Does the phrase, "they will become one flesh" mean anything?
There is no commitment here. Its all one big farce! That's how it started and thus how it is ending.....
No one deserves to be beat down in this matter. He should be dealt with by his congregation if they indeed know how.
"To whom much has been given, the rule is much more is demanded in return."
They are both responsible for what happened. As I understand it, when he tried to leave, she foolishly went after him. Subsequently, HE BEING A BIGGER FOOL, let his emotions take over.
The irony is that these two idiots were never committed to a truly spiritual relationship in the beginning. ITS WHAT YOU START, and there will always be problems when you pretend to be something you are not.
For any and all of us who have deceived ourselves along these same paths, there is but one word, REPENT!
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archcookies
Comment: It is so easy to hide behind the spector of the devil, "the devil made me do it." "The devil is planting lies," no he's not. You Bishop Weeks evidently is out of the will of God, no God fearing man who %*$ault his wife, choke her, stomp her and kick her in the vagina. No Bishop Weaks, you did all that on your own, I guess it was the devil that made you threaten to kill your wife too, how convenient and how cowardly, you need to go somewhere and get right with God. Evidently was have a sociopath hiding behind the vestments of the ministry you can be assured that this was not the first time he beat this woman. She should have let him walk away but she didn't deserve to be beaten down by a man well over six feet tall and thick. This couple feigned love and success in their marriage, they sponsored marriage seminar and told people to pepper up their marriages with more sexuality, well that blew up in their faces for everybody to see. I hope there will be reconcilation between them, but my advance to the Prophetess is to move on and count her losses. From my understanding the man was already in a bad marriage when she hooked him, you cannot build happiness on somebody else's ashes. All of that money spent for what another marriage on the rocks. Sister Bynum if you are a Prophetess, why didn't you see this colossal azz whupping coming?
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archcookies
Comment: Let me say this about the applauding flock, WE BLACK FOLK for the most part have a flock mentality. We need somebody to model life for us to follow, these people are following these wolves in sheep clothing and are willingly being fleeced of their hard earned money. God didn't call these people to exalt themselves and elevate themselves above the people. I believe Juanita told him the gravy train is getting ready to end and he couldn't take it, believe what I am saying there are going to be a lot of false prophets revealed for what they truly are. If you are serious about God seek Him not these demigods that have set themselves up as examples of righteousness. A real man christian or non-christian would never lay a hand on a woman to harm her. If you want success in life don't look for it from these money hucksters out to get you.
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detroitgee
Comment: At what point does God enter the equation? I hope this will be a wake up call for folks who worship the church leader whether it be minister, pastor, bishop, elder, deacon, phrophet, and on and on. The man *Weeks" beat his wife in plain view of the public. The first time you raised your hand I think I could get past the anger. But to choke, kick and stomp that was some serious rage. You can't hide that. Domestic violence is a real crime with real consequences. He needs a new church, a jail ministry not probation or absolution from the congregation or community.
Look at the young folk in Lousiana the Jena 6 they were charged with aggrevated %*$ault less than attempted murder for a fight with the same kind of aggression. Weeks is a grown man with all kinds of influence and resources. My energy, time and money will be centered on helping my young black brothers in the overtly racial situation.
What will you do?
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FiveMore
Comment: Yeah,the devil made you stomp your wife down in the streets like a dog.Bishop Weeks,I believe you, but Who does Juanita believe?Was it You or the Devil?
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wenmichimar
Comment: The man deserves no cheers and applause. This situation will badly damage his credability as a pastor and religious leader. The only mistake he made was being stupid enough to engage in a beat-down of his wife - who happened to be Juanita Bynum. Dumb move. If I were a member of his church, I would be looking for a new church home, there is no way I could continue to sit under his leadership. i would be outta there! This guy is washed-up!. Oh beleive me, it's a wrap for him. He will always be regarded as a villian and the Ike Turner of the church circuit. As a Christian, I know sometimes we can be unforgiving too!
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HarrisThomas
Comment: come on now, FiveMore>>if this man had stomped a dog, nobody would let him back in the pulpit
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BlkATLTop
Comment: *Looking through my crystal ball*- - at the rate we're going, the next Jim Jones style tragedy will involve thousands of black folks
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...but before you throw that sweet potato pie at his azz cut me a slice...and gimme a tall cold glass of milk...Instead of cheering and clapping they shoulda prayed that he survived the comming beat-down...Cause yes, he woulda got the church-beat-down...We woulda be singing and praying for him while whupping that azz...
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Exmun
Comment: Weeks showing up at his church and continuing to remain as pastor of that operation comes down only to money. The church is literally HIS church. The legal entity (corporation, etc.) that owns that building is HIS entity. HE signed for the mortgage on behalf of the church, assuming there is a mortgage. It's HIS stuff. And because his organization is INDEPENDENT (most mega-churches these days are) HE can do what he wants without recourse... unless the "sheep" find new pastors. It's sad, but this scenario is what continues to fuel the nonsense in mega churches today... money. When you have to be accountable to no one, except an advisory board of your closest friends it's not hard to do wrong and remain in the same place.
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PBF_19
Comment: What did he do, brain wash these people?? The devil made him do it, shyt you supposed to have more control over yourself. If it wasn't for the janitor, who knows if he would have actually killed her. This is truly sad.
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khufu
Comment: GURL some say: those we should forgive, we dont...those we shouldnt, we do.........I oftimes have that conversation about how "God-like" Black folks are in their ability to forgive.....especially towards those who do the most harm...so the question is: can one be TOO forgiving?
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khufu
Comment: In Islam they say that on judgment day, when you stand before God and say: The Devil made me do it..." the Devil will be there to say, "Nope. All I did was whisper in your ear...you chose to do it."
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GHank
Comment: I will say again...."Forgiveness does not mean Restoration".
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khufu
Comment: SO I continue my conversation from Friday..........
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khufu
Comment: Nor does forgiveness necessarily mean release from responsibilty or accountability or karma ("reaping and sowing")
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khufu
Comment: My Disclaimer: My criticism of Christianity is not against Christ but against those (I believe the majority) who come in His name but practice a religion that does not follow his mandate nor His life example.
CHOSENBYGOD: " You said that my comments and criticisms re: The Bynum Incident were " "Christian bashing." Well LOL you sound to me like those Pharisees, Saducees, Scribes who attacked Jesus when He critiques their religious practices. LOL Ironic, isnt. It. Furthermore, I never claimed to have knowledge of the Bible and Christianity you claim I have. All I as doing was citing Biblical scriptures and my "opinion" isnt that what ministers do? True, I have researched my opinions. Do ministers do that? It seems to me that youre problem is not with me but with the Bible and those insights that are different than yours. Do you diagree with those Biblical scriptures that I posted?
What did I say that you consider "Christian bashing?"
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khufu
Comment: REALOVE and CHOSEENBYGOD: I didnt say that there would be many coming in the name of Christ but would really be hypocrites…..please actually read…" Matthew 7: 21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
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khufu
Comment: REAL LOVE: Many would actually do "miracles" in the name of Christ and yet be rejected by HIM…not Khufu…Im just telling you what HE SAID….most of these people out here ministering arent necessarily sent by Christ…wake up!
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DCGG
Comment: He should have stoned his wife instead of stomping her cause that's in the bible...Christians make me sick...
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gingerg
Comment: He wants to save his marriage because of finances. He was recently evicted from his home. I believe Weeks married Bynum for money and prestige and she was so desperate to get married and take things to the next level as far as her minstry that she went along and has lived a lie for quite some time. That makes them both hypocrites.
Some people are going to be shattered by this because they bought into the fantasy.
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PBF_19
Comment: That's the sad thing about these mega churches. all you need is a gift of gab and boom you are a pastor. I feel like this, I can't listen to your words if you can't quote a bible verse. I've seen Thomas Weeks and Juanita Bynum speak and most of the things they are telling these folks are common sense. It's not a church service, it's an Advice Column then every now an than they throw God's name in it. People need to wake up.
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khufu
Comment: "Religion is the opium of the people" (translated from the German Die Religion ... ist das Opium des Volkes") is one of the most frequently quoted (and sometimes misquoted as "opiate of the people" or "opiate of the masses") statements of Karl Marx, from the introduction of his 1843 work Contribution to Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right which was subsequently released one year later in Marx's own journal Deutsch-Französischen Jahrbücher—a collaboration with Arnold Ruge. Here is what Marx said, in context:
Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man—state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d'honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.
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khufu
Comment: The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.
Note that the sense in which the metaphor "opium" is used can be interpreted in several ways, some of which may differ from our contemporary common sense understanding [1]. At the time when Marx wrote this text, opium was legally available in some parts of the world, although there were beginning attempts to regulate, legislate and prohibit its use, sale and production, due to the negative effects the substance had on individuals and society in general. In the mid nineteenth century, there seemed to have been four primary senses which opium could be used as a metaphor:
1. Opium was an important medicine. It was used as a painkiller or sedative, but also for a wide range of ailments, including combatting cholera.
2. Opium was a keyword for widespread social conflict, particularly the Opium Wars.
3. It was the source of an important 'social problem', one of the first 'public health' concerns, known as 'baby-doping' (giving your child opium to keep them quiet.)
4. Finally, opium was the source of fantastic visions of the 'opium eaters' (De Quincey, the Romantic Poets, etc.)
The connection between these mid-nineteenth century meanings of "opium" and Marx's text on religion is developed by McKinnon (2005).
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TMan
Comment: The entertainment reporter on Tom Joyner this morning had the real deal on this story which confirmed my first feelings when I first heard about this. There is much more to this story than meets the eye.
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khufu
Comment: By the way, there is a difference between spirituality and religion......it is through spirituality that we truly find and commune with Our Creator.......(Khufu)
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Name:
OSUN
Comment: Tman, elaborate!
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khufu
Comment: TMAN yall aint heard or seen nothin yet!!!!
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khufu
Comment: Michael Vick's finding Jesus is equivalent of the POpe blessing the Atom bomb or a mobster going out killing 25 people and doing 50 hail mary's
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McNasty
Comment: 'The Devil made me do it..." the Devil will be there to say, "Nope. All I did was whisper in your ear...you chose to do it."' It's not funny but it is! God gave us free will and this speaks directly to that. If he were a stalwarth christian instead of swinging on his woman (punkas.s!) he would have dropped to his knees and called Jesus!
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PBF_19
Comment: oh trust, I know there is more to this story, I'm sure there are plenty of skeletons in the closet.
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gingerg
Comment: Then, we ought to arrest the devil and leave Weeks to his own devices.
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PBF_19
Comment: LOL @ gingerg... yup, we need an arrest warrent for the devil.
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khufu
Comment: GINGER that's funny...unfortunately, there arent enough jails in the world to hold that many white people
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Name:
DancingInTheDark
Comment: Kool-Ade anyone???
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khufu
Comment: how is one "chosen by God" exactly? and hoe does one substantiate or proof their being "chosen?"
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Name:
khufu
Comment: sorry...how?
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cornbread
Comment: FUKK THOMAS WEEKS. IT KILLS ME HOW PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH ALWAYS BLAME THE DEVIL FOR EVERY FUKKIN THING. THEY GIVE THE DEVIL MORE POWER AND CREDIT THAN THEY DO THE LORD. THE DEVIL CAN'T MAKE YOU DO SHIIT MUTHA FUKKA!! GOD GAVE EVERY HUMAN BEING THE POWER TO USE THE COMMON SENSE HE GAVE YOU TO MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICES. YOU ARE ONE SORRY SON OF A BIITCH!! YOU NEVER SHOULD HAVE STEPPED FOOT IN THAT PULPIT. YOU MONEY HUNGRY FAKE AZZ PIMP! MAN, THE PEOPLE IN THAT CHURCH ARE DUMBER THAN A SACK OF FUKKIN BRICKS FOR FOLLOWING THIS BASTARD. THOMAS WEEKS CAN SUCK DAVID BANNER'S DICK!!
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khufu
Comment: ROFLMAO Im sorry I regress but Cornbread's last line is funny...."
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rayne
Comment: We have to realize that Bishop Weeks is human, he is not God & he can make mistakes. I do not agree with the way he handled this situation, however, I believe that their marriage has been broken for a long time.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: khufu>>I don't have any argument with the information that you have presented thus far and especially take away the following nugget: Nor does forgiveness necessarily mean release from responsibilty or accountability or karma ("reaping and sowing") . . . observations on the release of responsibility and accountability: 1)they are the focus of people's need to receive forgiveness;and, 2) far too many people pray for mercy and Grace knowing in their hearts that what they are truly seeking is release from responsibility and accountability
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khufu
Comment: RAYNE agreed however for me one of the larger issues is: why do humans deify other humans in the first place?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: HARRIS AMEN
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BigSexy
Comment: There's no way I could even bring myself to say I respect him (praying for that "frequent visitor"). I pray that he seeks some counseling, but there's no respect for him. I attend my church regularly, pay my tithes, sing in the choir and usher. With that said, I wish I would cheer for my pastor if he did this to his wife?! I'd be ready to stomp a mud hole in his tail. I love my pastor, but if he put his hands on his wife, I'm sure he would do the same to any other female in his congregation. Y'all (Week's church members) need to wake up. He needs to go to jail AND get some counseling.
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queeniebunz
Comment: All kinds of things are being said on here. What I will say is this - the reason why these ministers keep "falling from grace" is because of this distorted concept of forgiveness we have. Forgiveness doesn't mean you continue to follow him and let him preach one thing and do another. It means you let what he did go emotionally/spiritually but his actions are still held accountable. When the relative of a murder victim forgives the murderer, they don't let the murderer out of jail. He/she continues to do the time. It just means the victim's family is released from the negative emotions of the hate they might feel over the act of murder. Sure, we should all forgive for everything except blaspheming the Holy Spirit according to the Bible. BUT that doesn't mean the perpetrator doesn't do his/her time. Forgiveness sets the injured party free from the crime.
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khufu
Comment: BIGSEXY...LOL stomp a mudhole in him huh? I can see you leaving the choir stand and kickin his azz...LOL......however, let us see what comes out about her and see how you might feel about her transgressions....not to say his was justified but let's see how she has fallen short
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queeniebunz
Comment: As for the issue of "the devil" making him do it - well, I believe people can be taken over by a spirit. I do believe that. However, God gives us the tools to resist that evil spirit. "Resist the devil and he will flee" comes to mind. In other words, as others have said, there is always free will. I love the movie "Devil's Advocate" because though it's supposed to be this big movie, you can discuss it from a theological perspective for hours. Al Pacino on the subway - telling the guy what he needs to know and planting the seed of evil so he can go kill his wife. The guy had a choice. He could stay on the train. He could go for a drink w/his buddy. He could go home and move out or he could kill his cheating wife. Well, that is the case here. Weeks had a CHOICE and he chose badly. For that there are consequences and he needs to face them.
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khufu
Comment: All kinds of things are being said and discussed because they need to be..again this incident serves the purpose of us questioning things about ourselves as a people, community and individually.....
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Name:
khufu
Comment: ...like: who are these people that we/you have entrusted to nourish, nurture, guide and teach your soul?
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khufu
Comment: LOL QUEENIE can I ask a question: Let's say that the first report of the incident was true....they were in the hotel and got into an argument and HE LEFT...then she came after him in the parking lot, did SHE make the righteous choice?
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GodsChild
Comment: Bishop Weeks' physical actions were wrong on many levels, but I thank God for him being who he is, and dyfing all logic. The reason I say physical actions is because what we heard and the pictures we saw as a result( because none of us were there) about this situation is tangible evidence of the spiritual warfare that consumed this man. This thing right here manifested in the spiritual realm way before this physical encounter occurred. And eventhough his actions contradict the word of God, God's love for him still remains without conditions and transcends all human thought. Sure, I could quote scripture until I'm blue in the face, and call him unworthy, but who am I. Through some rigorous trial of analytical and deductive reasoning I could probably even draw many conclusions or atleast develop some intelectual hypothesis on what happened and what's going to happen to both he and Juanita, but for what. I refuse to proliferate negativeitivy, because if done, I'd only be hurting myself. You see the way I look at it, Juanita and Thomas are, whether you like it or not, a part of the body of Christ, and as I talk about them, I talk about myself. Therefore "my" solution has come in the form of prayer. And as I pray, I pray unceasingly. Lord, let them both be redeemed by the Holy Spirit, loved unconditonally by God, and washed and protected by the anointed blood of Jesus Christ.
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najab
Comment: I think these so called pastors are into it for the money. They are no better than the rest of us.
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Name:
RealSmiles
Comment: Yep, and the devil made me type my errors on Friday too *rolling eyes*. If that's the best defense Weeks can come up with, he really needs to go into the "stay-off-the-pulpit-for-a-minute" ministry.
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BigSexy
Comment: Harris, I am convicted by your #2 statement. Well said my brotha! Weeks and others need to stop saying the devil made me do it. The devil don't make you do a darn thang. We choose to do right or wrong. We choose to allow the devil in our hearts and we end up doing wrong or evil deeds. That's what he should have said. I allowed the devil in my heart, I put my hands on my wife, I went too far, I, I, I. No blaming the devil Weeks. Take responsibility for your actions.
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bigchassie
Comment: EXXUM/KHUFU>let me ask yall or any of yall...does churches particulary mega churches do they pay taxes?
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khufu
Comment: GOD'SCHILD..no one ever said he was unworthy....the larger question is: who is really sent from the True and Living God and who is not?
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khufu
Comment: BIGCHASSIE...they are tax exempt to my knowledge...i could be wrog
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SmokeyBones2004
Comment: Kufuloo..get off that crack pipe. Islam is a false religion and allah aka Ba'al is minion of the Devil. Hindu's and Budda's 'gods' are false demons too. I Cor 10:20 - No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons.
There is only one Lord and Savior - One Mediator between mankind and God - the LORD Jesus Christ. 1 Timonthy 2:5.
Isa 44:6-THUS SAITH THE LORD THE KING OF ISRAEL, AND HIS REDEEMER THE LORD OF HOSTS; I AM THE FIRST, AND I AM THE LAST; AND BESIDE ME THERE IS NO GOD.
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MDhornet
Comment: khufu, you never cease to fascinate me in the same way I'm constantly fascinated by a woman with a huge behind who continues to defy logic by wearing a mini pleated skirt. You talk about following God's true way and then say "did SHE make the righteous choice?" What in the he11 does that mean. Is she to be held responsible for what he did. My brother would NEVER put his hands on a woman no matter what she did. He learned from my father to walk away and cool off. I don't care how provoked he felt. A REAL man would have walked away. Nothing justifies what he did. And before you go all up in arms to say that's not what you meant, take a second and re-evaluate your own statement. Nothin else can be inferred from it.
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khufu
Comment: MDHORNET LOL about the big behind comment...okay go back and read what the person said who I posed that question to.....and if youre not clear then I will explain
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najab
Comment: Bigchassie that's why I said they are into it for the money. They do not pay taxes.
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MDhornet
Comment: I saw what the other person said. If memory serves me correctly though, you made basically the same comment the day the story first came out. I didn't get your meaning then either.
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FiveMore
Comment: Let us be honest here, I do not approve of the "NEW Gospel" of Juanita or Thomas.These people are fleecing God's people,and alot of the sheep can not understand this and will not understand,JMO!With that being said,that still did not give him a reason to jump on her like that.That mess was foul.
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BigSexy
Comment: Yeah, Khufu. Our drummer is always making fun of me by acting like he's taking off his earrings to go open a can of whoop-azz. LOL. But I know Juanita is not clean here. I know many of women who were the aggressor in the relationship. But in this case she is not the one who beat her husband. She is the one with the bruises. I'm waiting to hear one person who witnessed this incident say Juanita hit him first then Weeks commenced to beating that tail. I have not heard such a statement. So he needs to be delt with. I don't like men hitting women, but if I hit a man in my anger, I would not be shocked if he hit me back. Now I sure would be upset and I'm sure a big fight would be the next event, but if I don't want a man hitting me, then I sure the heck ain't gonna hit him.
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khufu
Comment: here we go...the diversion...LOL I am not getting into a conversation about OTHER religions.....SMOKEY if there is one fiath, one lord, one baptism, etc then YOU EXPLAIN why there are so many denominations in Christianity......answer that question without mentioning any other religion...I challenge your intelligence, knowledge and sincerity
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khufu
Comment: MD let me explain AGAIN AGAIN.....if a person can clearly say that Weeks was wrong when he made the wrong choice of hitting her (WHICH I AGREE), cannot that same TRUTH be said about HER when she made the wrong choice of going after him after he walked away? I cannot get any simpler than that...if you dont see that you dont want to....
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TGen
Comment: Queeniebuzz, your first comments were on-point...don't think I've ever heard that distinction articulated so well. There IS a distinction between "forgiveness" and pretending something never happened. Soooo many "church" folk need to read that. Very good post.
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khufu
Comment: MD..AGAIN AGAIN.....if we say that Weeks is at blame for his wrong actions (i.e. beating her) and it was his fault and an exercise of his FREE WILL NA D FREE CHOICE, then is it not true that she wrongly exercised her FREE WILL AND FREE CHOICE when she went after him when he walked away?
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bigchassie
Comment: NEJABB>do you think there will be a downfall of these mega churches if they were forced to pay taxes? and why are they tax exempt?
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khufu
Comment: (Heb 13:2) "Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares."
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ImJustAsking
Comment: *dies*
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SmokeyBones2004
Comment: Kungfu: "..diversion..I am not getting into a conversation about Other religions..".
You did yesteday. I didn't post as I was reading the 500+ comments from the BYNUM BEATING UPDATE (lol!).
You dog 'Christians' out and then praise other religions as being 'hypocrite free"? Hmmm.
Let me refresh your memory (or you can see archives to re-read your posts). You have went on and on about how many Buddists in the news are beating their wives (0), history/info of (fake religion) Islam, how Hindus don't make the news tyhis way, how Chrisyinsity (evil White man's religon) has kept Blacks downm in slavery, how bad Amerikka is to Blacks, yada, yada, yada. Whatever! If you are such the pan-Africanist(lol) that you THINK you are -GO BACK TO AFRICA! Hmm Africa. Land of rolling hills and peace (NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!)
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khufu
Comment: BIGCHASSIE I THINK (and if I could be wrong) they dont pay because of separation of Church and State.....
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ImJustAsking
Comment: I really don't understand the logic here. If Bishop Weeks should be forgiven because the he is in spiritual warfare with the devil and God knows who else... then why do we have jails in the first place? Why don't we just free every prisoner in the devil's name?
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khufu
Comment: SMOKEYBONES...do you have anything at all to say about the question I posed to you? Today...today.....about what YOU said
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khufu
Comment: LOL agree with IJA...must be the end of the world FOR REAL...see, white folks for standard of forgiveness are different than Black folks.....that's why they will never ever say "Im Sorry" to Black people.........
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MDhornet
Comment: khufu, the fact that you can even compare her exercising her free will to go after him to his excercising his "free will" to beat her azz down speaks volumes. I have no more words for you.
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khufu
Comment: SMOKET damn you must deify me? You really admire with I say that much to follow me? Or are you obsessed? Or are you a spy? Im flattered....but answer the question....
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khufu
Comment: MD In YOUR MIND...again youre arguing the beating and I am arguing spiritual principle.....that's in YOUR MIND...
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khufu
Comment: mD....if she had made the choice not to go after him, would the beat down have occurred? Now, AGAIN I am not blaming the victim, I am raiding the larger issue in a the religious context in which it has been present to us.....assuming responsibility
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khufu
Comment: Im waiting SMokeyBobes
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MDhornet
Comment: Okay khufucious. Whatever makes sense to you. Lemme head over to the F4All.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: let's be clear here, folks: Weeks beat down a woman and there is no justification for doing so . . . the fact that these people are pillars in the church community should matter because they are major role models . . . WEEKS HAS ACCOUNTABILITY AND REPONSIBILITY FOR BEATING DOWN A WOMAN
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ImJustAsking
Comment: I have to leave this board alone b/c this just really gets under my skin. This man is so arrogant he didn't even feel the need to apologize for anything. Every single person in his congregation, all the people who buy the books and visit the web site deseve to be led astray and have their money taken from them hand over fist. It must be God's will.
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khufu
Comment: MD and the TRUTH shall follow you
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DIANE
Comment: No we should not judge, but he did hit and choke his wife. He needs to step down for now. Men and women of God have got to stop playing with God! This is just the tip of the iceberg as they say. I no longer believe what pastors says. For now on I have to get it from God. "Let every man be a liar but God's word be true"
My prayers are still with Bishop Weeks and his wife.
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khufu
Comment: HARRIS...agreed and three different tissue for those who can see....1) His wrongness for %*$aulting her
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khufu
Comment: 2) the responsibility of religious leaders to the congreegation
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HarrisThomas
Comment: framing arguments in support of what Weeks did by throwing around scripture is as shameful as the beat down act . . . oh, you don't support Weeks but toss around scripture to support forgiving him: if the forgiveness is release from accountability and responsibility, then hell no . . . those who support forgiving the man "because he is human" are overlooking his act of inhumanity . . . so, what does forgiveness look like for Weeks
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khufu
Comment: 3) the responsibility of religious leaders to the community overall
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khufu
Comment: 4) are all those who claim to be religious leaders in their positions by placement of The Most High God, the devil or themselves motivated by selfish gain?
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TesticAl
Comment: *Plays STOMP by God's Property* Pun intended. LMFAO!
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khufu
Comment: that's 4...MDHORNET and others dont seem to be able to separate the issues......
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khufu
Comment: TESTICAL..LOL How did you come up with that one?
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6footah
Comment: And the award for "I got my PH.D. Online" goes to GodsChild
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khufu
Comment: MY conversations about the beating have been short: HE WAS WRONG......now, let's talk about the other issues.....not many can or are willing to do that.....
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najab
Comment: Bigchassie, I do not know about the down fall, they are so rich,if they invested wisely, they should be all set. I have no idea why they are tax exempt. Makes me want to put a cross in my basement and start a church.(just kidding)Seriously though,Bishop Weeks should be thrown in jail along with his followers.
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queeniebunz
Comment: >khufu - It does seem as if you are blaming the victim here. In any situation no one is ever completely right or completely wrong. There is always some shared blame. If you are in an argument and you keep digging at a person's sore spot and keep digging, you are going to rile that person. If that person hauls off and curses you back out, that is on you. Typically people know they are doing that when they do it. I used to do it to myb big brother going up. I was a master at it!HOWEVER, the decision to break the law and put your hands on anyone is your responsibility alone. Sure, we can say she riled him. Sure. BUT it is his responsibility as a grown man OF GOD to do WJWD and turn away from the temptation to slap the taste out of her mouth. When I was teaching, there were MANY TIMES I wanted to slap the face off the "little angels" I was forced to deal with daily but because I AM GROWN and because I know there are consequences to beating down someone else's little angel, I would walk over to my desk and fill out a referral and send the little angel packing off to the principal's office. Inside I wanted to explode. I remember having daydreams of beating them down! Don't be alarmed. If you saw these kids in action, you'd want to do it too. Ain't nothing wrong w/a little daydream. But because I was GROWN and because I had restraint and because I would literally stop for a split second, close my eyes and pray for even more patience (I already had a lot but them lil "angels" can push you over), I didn't beat up anybody's little angel babies. My point - you cannot act on every impulse. A MAN OF GOD should be an example of this. If he is not capable, he should step down and go study some more and be still. Just like I decided that all of my fantasies of beating down lil monster children meant I needed to get the h-e-double hockey sticks up out the classroom because it wasn't working for me anymore.
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FiveMore
Comment: Khufu> I need help with something!
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khufu
Comment: many people go to church for the social or professional networking....many people go to church to find a man or woman....many people go to church because "that's the way it's always been..."
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khufu
Comment: Respectfully youre really missing the spiritual principle...go back to Genesis...okay whether it was true or not here is the story....
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queeniebunz
Comment: >khufu - I answered you. No comment?
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khufu
Comment: The Serpent seduced Eve to bite the apple....she blamed the serpent....wasnt she responsible for her action?
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khufu
Comment: Eve convinced Adam to bite the apple and he blamed Eve...wasnt he responsible for his own action?
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dcdouglass01
Comment: I think you have a situation where both people involved have enormous egos. In this instance it appears the bishop's ego was a tad bigger than his wife's. And with the spotlight shining a little brighter on his wife than himself, the bishop snapped. The devil made him do it? A convenient excuse, but certainly not a defense (if it were, you can release every incarcerated man and woman in America right now). In three years (or less) he'll most likely be crawling back to his congregation declaring "the devil made me do it...again" for some other dramatic episode.
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khufu
Comment: At some point we have to assume our responsibility for the situations and circumstances we find ourselves in.......even Black folks with white people, right. LOL Usually most yall are willing to understand when that issue comes up...you say: STOP BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE, BLACK FOLKS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN ACTIONS...YOU CANT BLAME WHITE PEOPLE
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khufu
Comment: all I am saying is that if it is true that she went after him she should have thought and prayed at that moment and made a different choice...if she had, the outcome would have been different...THAT IS HER SPIRITUAL RESPONSIBILITY IN THE MATTER
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SmokeyBones2004
Comment: Kungfu will always take the man's side. He praises the Black women abuser Dr.Karenga for given him Kwanaza (a pan-African, Black Separtist Holiday that leaves Jesus out)>. Kungfu also praises African family values, Machette holla!.
He probably also feels that Islam doesn't abuse women either, lol.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL OLOLOLOL!!
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khufu
Comment: NOW if you dont agree with that SPIRITUAL AND Biblical TRUTH..then here is the last thing I will say: If It is TRUTH and you argue and deny DIVINE TRUTH MAY GOD GRANT YOU THE OPPORTUNITY IN YOUR LIFE TO LEARN THAT LESSON!
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SmokeyBones2004
Comment: Weeks committed a crime. He needs to serve time and recuse himself from public ministry for a while.
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khufu
Comment: SMokey you make such a fool of yourself.
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khufu
Comment: SMOKEY SHould George Bush go to jail?
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TesticAl
Comment: Khufu, you know I'm not right. He stomped ol' girl out in that parking lot. I just imagined Weeks or whatever his name was singing that song out loud while crip walking on Bynum's face. LOL!
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khufu
Comment: SMOKEY and if he goes to jail, will that stop the masses of Black folks from being ripped off by "jack leg" preachers?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: SMOKEY Great minds talk about ideas....average minds talk about events.....small minds talk about people.....
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khufu
Comment: smokey how do YOU see yourself?
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queeniebunz
Comment: >khufu - Bush should be impeached and jailed for the WMD lies he told. And for all of the lives being lost in Iraq as we speak. Will he? Nah. Cheney should be impeached for his his use of office for monetary gain - Haliburton getting all those multi-billion dollar contracts during wartime. Will he? Nah. That doesn't mean he shouldn't. What is your point? We are living in "stuck on stupid" times now where Bush & Co have convinced my fellow Americans that they are doing right by us when they aren't. The same is true
for these megachurch leaders. I don't understand the blind following they have...
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khufu
Comment: QUUENIE I didnt pose that question to you first of all so the point of the question can best be understood in the context of what the person to whom I posed the question to said last....
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khufu
Comment: QUEENIE having said that 1) Smokey said Weeks should be jailed..I wanted to see if Smokey has the conviction to say the same about George Bush based on his/her commitment to punishing all people for their wrong doing...it was a question to test his/her ethics and values and commitment
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queeniebunz
Comment: If you talk to any follower of Creflow's or Long's they will defend both til the end. A Creflow follower will darn-near try and beat you up if you criticize him. I don't understand that. I have met them because I lived in Atlanta. The follower will be living paycheck to paycheck but will be praising this jet-setting man. I don't get that. I really don't. I don't necessarily agree w/a vow of poverty either but I don't get how a man can have that much wealth and walk in every day and fleece a group of people on section 8 and independence cards. I think there's a special place in hell for people like him. I really do. But that's just me. And I think anyone who contribute's to Weeks' legal fund instead of a woman's shelter is such a big fool that he/she should have "dummy" tattooed on his/her forehead! But that's just me...
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khufu
Comment: Queenie 2) I wanted to try ONCE AGAIN to take Smokey's conversation and maybe Smokkey into the larger issue that I keep raising which transcends the beating and Weeks' guilt...it has to do with TRUTH....TRUTH as it applies to everyone in all situations and circumstances...but notice Smokey didnt answer the question...nor any of the previous ones...
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queeniebunz
Comment: >khufu - I can answer any question on here I choose to so get over yourself
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khufu
Comment: Queenie I agree with your last comment...and your comment is exactly the conversation I am raising...AGAIN WEEKS was wrong...so let's now talk about some of the other issues.....youre willing but most LIKE SMOKEY cant or wont...they are "stuck on stupid" as far as the %*$ault goes......
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SpecialK
Comment: His congregation must have sipped some of that "Jim Jones" juice or smoked some scroll!! What were they clapping for? Him beating his wife or simple because he showed up in church? WTF????? He thinks because he said the devil made him do it that all's forgiven well it's not. He needs to step out of the church and get his life together. I wonder what would have been the outcome had the hotel employee not stopped him. Maybe we would be reading Juanita's obit.
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khufu
Comment: QUEENIE...LOL it's your ego that cannot allow you to hear what is being said...no one said you couldnt..I was trying to teach you about contexualization
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khufu
Comment: SPECIALK they sip and most of the Black folks following many of those self-proclaimed spiritual leaders drink each and every day....
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Im curious
who do you YOU consider to be legit Black spiritual leaders?
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khufu
Comment: QUEENIE LOL do you place your being "AMerican" over your possibly being a child of the TRUE AND LIVING GOD?
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HarrisThomas
Comment: SmokeyBones2004>>with regard to Christmas, I am going to be charitable and conclude that you know the hoopla surrounding the birth anniversary of Christ is completely man-made as no one knows the month and date that Jesus was born (December 25th is not in the Bible), further, overlooked scholarly musings put the likely time as not winter (yeah, yeah, I know that there are revered writings that confirm December 25) . . . last but not least, Christmas is currently a commercial orgy which is about right considering church appropriated pagan symbols like the tree, tree lights, Santa Claus and mistletoe are mixed in . . . while there is a Christmas tradition when Christians spend lots and lots of money for December 25, ain't no Jesus in Christmas (OK, the word does have Christ in it] . . . you can confirm this azzessment with googled research
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queeniebunz
Comment: >khufu - I know my place in the universe. I know I am a child of God, first and foremost. I have no illusions about who is really in charge. No need to even question that. The boarders of any country mean nothing to God. That is why I really don't trip off immigration stuff. It's all His. I'm His. Being black/woman/American - all of that is so far down on the list in relevance. If you have no faith, you really have nothing. With all they have, I feel for people like Bynum and Weeks because something is clearly missing and they are going thru a serious trial. When you are of a mind where you will harm someone to that degree, something in you is missing - seriously missing and only God can give it to you. That doesn't mean I don't hold Weeks accountable. I do. If it were me, my brother would already have made a call and Weeks would be looking more beat down that I look...if he made it out alive and he'd be safer in jail! But that's just how we roll. LOL!
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khufu
Comment: HARRISTOWN Ignorant people like SMOKEY dont care about truth...here: Ancient origins
Different countries celebrate Mother's Day on various days of the year because the day has a number of different origins. One school of thought claims this day emerged from a custom of mother worship in ancient Greece. Mother worship — which kept a festival to Cybele, a great mother of Greek gods, the wife of Cronus; was held around the Vernal Equinox around Asia Minor and eventually in Rome itself from the Ides of March (15 March) to 18 March. The ancient Romans also had another holiday, Matronalia, that was dedicated to Juno, though mothers were usually given gifts on this day. In some countries the Mother's Day began not as a celebration for individual mothers but rather for Christians to remember the mother church
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khufu
Comment: The first day of the week, Sunday, since ancient times has been designated the "day of rest". For Christians it is the holy day of the week, due to the fact that Christ was reported to have risen from the dead upon this day.
Yet the name of Sunday has nothing to do with Christianity, but everything to do with even more ancient religions. The ancient Greeks knew that the sun was the source of life on the planet and they gave it prime importance in their thinking. When the Romans later adopted the seven day week they emphasize their respect for the sun by naming the first day of the week for it..."dies solis"..."day of the sun".
The actual word "Sunday" is derived from the German word "Sonntag" (and they likely got it from the Scandanavians). These folk too placed a great deal of importance on the sun. Some tribes of these Germanic peoples invaded England in the 500's or so. They were known as the Angles and the Saxons. The old English work was "sunnandaeg" and it changed over time to become our current, "Sunday".
There are several holidays that are traditionally held on Sunday. Mother's Day (second Sunday in May) and Father's Day (third Sunday in June) began to be celebrated rather recently, 1914 and 1924 respectively. Easter is an ancient holiday that was officially designated by the Church in the year 325. Its position on the calendar has confused lay people for centuries. The date is calculated by taking the first Sunday after the first full moon on or after the 21st of March.
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fuzzygoss
Comment: See, had weeks kept his hands by his side, I would believe him if he said "THE DEVIL IS A LIAR">>>the devil has nothing to do with conscious decisions. nothing at all.
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khufu
Comment: SO now SMOKEY and GODSCHOSEN..please explain why you worshiping on a SUnday? and does your pastor know this information? Are they blindly having you worship the SUn God on SUnday or are they intentionally having you worship the Sun God on SUNday?
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khufu
Comment: not to worry though...LOL they got you worshipping indirectly.......
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Ra
(aka Re)
Sun-god of Heliopolis (known to the Egyptians as Annu),
head of the Heliopolitan ennead. He was considered self
created and the creator of all.,,,an Egyptian God...An African God......
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khufu
Comment: doesnt the Bible say, "Moses was learned in the Wisdom of the Egyptians...."?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Im sorry wasnt the Egyptian...Akhenaton: Father of Monotheism (1379 - 1362 B.C.)
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Name:
khufu
Comment: so why do they say that Abraham (another African) was the father of monotheism?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: SMOKEY and GODSCHOSEN represents the blind sheep following equally blind shepherds being led to the slaughter.....yall keep following false teachers and false prophets
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Name:
khufu
Comment: they all liars...well most of them anyway.....yall need to start challenging your religious and church leaders..first you need to read LOL and definitely read your Bibles......LOL before you do...
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CRENEEJ
Comment: wow, hi everyone. i haven't made posts on this topic since friday, but i have enjoyed reading what has been written. i have to say this. Bishop Weeks was wrong for what he did, but we must get past that. Juanita is probably somewhat at fault too, but we must also get past that. my biggest concern is with the people who blindly follow them and hand over all of their money while living check to check. personally, having been raised in the church, i have of late gotten away from it because i can't deal with a lot of the hypocrisy, but our new pastor, who is very humble, preaches/teaches directly from the bible, and it makes such a big difference. i mean for 29.95, me and my husband can start some seminars about how to have a happy marriage, but that doesn't mean that we do, or that we are authorities on it. it's like these people give themselves titles "prophetess" and then people follow them. if she's a prophet, why didn't she forsee this before spending 1 million dollars on a wedding.
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khufu
Comment: The Christ many of them are professing is not the real Christ...beware.......
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Name:
khufu
Comment: QUEENIE the borders of your country have a deep and significant meaning in scripture........
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queeniebunz
Comment: >khufu - someone like you - it's dangerous to give you information because you try and mold it to say what you want it to say. God is sovereign over EVERYTHING/EVERYONE. Period. You can quote me scripture until your dasheekie (sp?) falls off your body but it won't mean but so much to me because you are not a theologian and clearly you don't really understand the Bible or its teachings. You like to argue and you have this whole neo-soul pseudo-African mindset that us po lil Christians are all ig'nant and whatnot but you remind me of that dude I just saw again on "I'ma Get You Sucka" who wore all the African garb but stopped supporting the movement when he got a "good gubment job" and a white wife. Translation - you ain't really about what you claim to be preaching and you are really just talking/writing to see your words get read.
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khufu
Comment: LOL Queenie but If I had a mega=church youd believe me then huh? And Im the one with a problem? See, you support all I say. If Christ came tomorrow you are the type that would condemn him and miss the boat. Do you disagree withe the TRUTH of what I say or my personality? if you disagree with what I say---where is your intelligent argument and your proof?
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khufu
Comment: QUEENIEBUNZ where is the proof of what you believe? DOnt attack me personally--soundly attack my argument. YOU CANT. DO you hear me saying that GOD IS NOT SOVEREIGN? On the contrary, I am using HIs Truth to prove His Majesty and the foolishnes of those claiming to come in His name.....and you defend them. LOL ANd Im the one with the problem?
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khufu
Comment: QUEENIE We all for short..I never said I was perfect..but that doesnt change the TRUTH ODF WHAT I AM SAYING does it? Only one person was perfect right? So why do you use that as a weak azz argument...my humanes? Disprove what I say..I challenge you...I challenge your intelligence and knowledge.....
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khufu
Comment: QUEENIE..you too are foolish...
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: Lets keep it real. Some of y'all need to stop using so-called “fake preachers” as an excuse. Whether its Bynum, Weeks, Swaggart, Bakker, etc, I’m so tired of people pointing the finger and saying “see, that’s why I don’t go to church, pay tithes, believe in Christianity, etc.” If you choose not to believe in church, Christianity, etc, or just can't be bothered going to church, then that’s your right, but don’t pretend that so called “fake preachers” are the reason you made your decision… Cuz 99% of the time, that’s not really the case. By pretending that “hypocrites in the church” is why they stopped going to church, most people who say that are actually just being hypocritical themselves.
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khufu
Comment: http://www.thefifthnight.org/detail.asp?ScreenplayID=2 2
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khufu
Comment: LOL that was a mistake..listening to Aretha on NPR and I posted something she talked about
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khufu
Comment: DOCTORSMOOTH: Has Christianity ever been used to encourage terrorism against a people or culture?
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khufu
Comment: some folks dont go to church because thy have a problem with the hypocrisies of the church and many of those calling themselves Christians.....
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queeniebunz
Comment: >khufu - you aren't saying ANYTHING. And clearly you haven't read anything, either because if you read what I CONSISTENTLY write, you would see that I do not follow the mega preachers, do not trust them, and I think for myself. I am not a sheep nor have I ever been one nor will I ever be one. I believe what I believe and I stand for it regardless of how much people on here attempt to slam me. People come after me constantly because I use my brain and my spirituality in my decision- making and because my opinions are based on a depth of thought, maturity, intuition, and introspection that many people do not possess. So when I say that giving someone like you Scripture, I stand by that - you are dangerous w/information because you try and manipulate it to support your views instead of letting the truth of a situation stand for itself. Furthermore, your original argument on here was that somehow Bynum was to blame for him laying his hands on her and my response was that NO SHE ISN'T. No one can make you hit them. No one can MAKE YOU do anything you don't CHOOSE to do short of putting a gun to your head and even then there are people who have had the strength and belief in God to resist even that. So stop spouting nonsense and being all over the place and keep to the topic at hand. Focus, khufu - focus...
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khufu
Comment: some folks dont go to church because they have a relationship with God and are satisfied with that relationship
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khufu
Comment: some people go to church only on holidays
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khufu
Comment: some folks dont go to church because they know that they are the temple and the Spirit of God dwells within them...
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queeniebunz
Comment: doctorsmooth - I cosign that. It is an excuse. Using that as an excuse not to seek out a church home is a cop out. Church people are people not angels. They have sins and faults. The old saying comes to mind - 'if you find a perfect church, you cannot attend it because you are not perfect' or something like that...It's the ones who completely step out of teaching that I worry about because they are opening themselves to evil... You have to be constantly spiritually fed and nourished. When you aren't, you can be tempted another way and it ain't pretty.
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khufu
Comment: QUEENBIE you still are attacking me and not the actual information..what did I say that you disagree with?
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khufu
Comment: Here we go again...some churches are led by Satan...so those who are going to churches let be Satan are achieving what exactly? Surely all churches caint be right....not according to the Bible...oh let me guess...QUEENIEBUNZ and DOCSMOOTH you KNOW youre church is correct and the right one, right? LOL that's what they/yall all say.....hence, WEEKS congregation
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khufu
Comment: QUEENIEBUNZ where is your scriptual proof of that which you espouse to believe? what proof can you offer to substantiate your mere opinion? You knock me because I brng prro and you say "a Little knowledge is dangerous.." Okay then where is proof of your LOT OF KNOWLEDGE?
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khufu
Comment: that is I bring proof....
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Victornator
Comment: I think people should hold off judgement until more facts are availalble. I do not agree with putting your hands on a woman, but if it comes out that he was trying to get away from her and she kept grabbing on him and stuff, my %*$essment of the situation will change.
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khufu
Comment: If relationship with God and Christ is all you need, then DOCSMOOTH tell me why church is important...and do so within the context of these two scriptures: "Know ye not that the body is the temple of the Living God" and "Where two or three are gathered in my name there shall I also be.."...let me guess: "Forsake not the congregation...."
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khufu
Comment: Victor..thing is most of the people here (primarily the sistahs) leave that one reported fact out and go straight to condemning him.....the story said, "He walked away and she came after him.." Now what if we find out she had a knife or something....Again not to condone what he did by no means..but some bitter Black woman (yall know who yall are) will read her own bitterness into a situation and find any reason to perpetuate the story that will validate her bitterness.......
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gingerg
Comment: There's some kind of attraction to the power that preachers weild within some member of the community. Growing up, we spent a lot of time in the church and were involved with Saturday fish and chicken dinner sales. My mom was raising us as a single parent and always seemed drawn to the pastor.
We were on welfare and the free lunch program and she was working two jobs, but I remember that she once left church and bought the pastor a new suit because she didn't like the one he was wearing. The next church, same thing. Right up in the pastor's family face. Had to be on a first name and nickname basis with them.
I respect the church and the pastor's role, but I don't go in for all of that minister worship. There is only one God and he sits high and looks low.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: Victornator>>hypothesizing: let's say she grabbed him or even say she worked a wicked right hook on his head (or something like that), or maybe she threatened to go public with the real nature of his sexuality, you would be comfortable with the result wthat this large, wide-bodied Christian male pillar of the church community choked, kicked, and stomped her? if so, please explain
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queeniebunz
Comment: khufu - here are some questions to thinka bout to see if a church is being led properly. How is the scripture being interpreted? Is it even interpreted? Is scripture even being used and broken down or is the minister picking out a couple verses and then going on his life experiences and basically being a comedian in the pulpit? If he/she isn't sticking to the scripture and how it applies directly to our present life, you have to question the preaching. If the preacher goes on and on about "blessings" being only of a material nature, you should probably quietly walk out and get thee post haste to a different church. How is the tithe being used? Is the concern new buildings or is it on spreading the word and Bible education? How much missionary work is being done? Is the missionary group just a group who like to travel to Africa or are they actually spreading the word to the neighborhood and the world? What are the ministries of the church? Are they little clique social clubs or are they really ministering to people? How are visitors treated? Is someone who walks in in jeans and a jersey treated the same as a dude in a 3-piece suit? If not, it's not a good church. How are children treated/raised/valued? Is education stressed/praised or are their athletic achievements put above Bible study and academics? These are the determinations I use. I don't think anyone can dispute any of them. You have to question these things to find the right fit.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: Victornator>> what could possibly justify a man choking, kicking and stomping a woman - what would make you decide that a man can beat down a woman
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khufu
Comment: GINGER..Agreed..I respect the church and the pastor's role, but I don't go in for all of that minister worship.
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khufu
Comment: however GINGER remember that every building saying it is a house of The Most High is not..."I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer . . . be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. . . . Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Revelation 2:9-10, 3:9.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: Well, Khufu, you can see I came on here to make a simple, general comment to my fellow posters here... not to argue with you or anyone else here. By your comments directed toward me, I see you're trying to bait me into an argument of some kind; but you're wasting your time. Arguing theology on an internet messageboard is generally pointless. Have a good day, Khufu.
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khufu
Comment: TYhere was a time in the Black community where you kne that the churches are 99 percent all about what was real...let's see that started to change in what? the 1990s....and dont blame Rev Ike...because back then, Rev. Ike was on the fringes...now, everybody is like Rev. Ike....LOL..and Im not saying Rev. Ike is good or bad.....you know what I mean..money as prosperity teachings.....
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FiveMore
Comment: Some men agree with the "Ike Turner" school of thought!I saw a pastor on youtube punch a lady dead in the face.These were ederly people fighting and carrying on.smh
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gingerg
Comment: And some of these women in the church need to sit down immediately. I used to attend a church where the pastor told the women not to compliment him unless they had complimented their husbands. They were all up in his face talking about how nice his suit was, but didn't have a kind word for their husbands. Also, suddenly, several had been "called to preach."
His wife was Co-Pastor (where do we get these terms), so he put her in the pulpit,too.
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khufu
Comment: LOL DOCSMOOTH..intellectual debate,,,intellectual exchange....who's arguing? Bye....
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khufu
Comment: no the 1980's
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khufu
Comment: DOCSMOOTH it's hot in this kitchen!! Whew!! No sissies or girlie girls allowed! LOL
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khufu
Comment: DANG QUEENIE I agree with everything you said...why didnt you say that in the first place?
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FiveMore
Comment: Ginger,That is extra money for the household.The co-pastor get a check too!Should females hold such high positions in the church?
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khufu
Comment: however QUEENIE can I share something with you?
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khufu
Comment: FIVEMORE...good question FIVEMORE..I think a women should have a high position in the church...why not? She is not inferior to a man in any way. WHat God doesnt work through women? Please if it wasnt for my mother.......and the mothers of the church....Black women really rule the Church...they just humble themselves to their male counterparts and let them get the credit
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gingerg
Comment: I believe women should hold high positions in the church, but I'm not convinced that everybody who claims to be called to preach really is. Church has become too much like a business and a place to show off.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: KHUFU: "sissies"?, "girlie girls"? What... am I supposed to be insulted by that stuff? Please. Your childish responses certainly dont make you look good, and it further validates why I feel its pointless to argue/debate online with people like yourself. Have a good day. (smile)
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khufu
Comment: DOCSMOOTH but you responded...KISSS....
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khufu
Comment: DOCSMOTH I pushed your button..I pushed your button....ROFLMAO
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: Queenie have read all of the posts so I am only commenting on your last, those are such important questions to ask about a church yet no one asks these things. Your questions are so good that I am going to cut and past your comments to forward to my friends, because although these are things we all know and agree with it is good to see others who feel the same way. Now for Rev. Weeks> I know everyone has probably said this already but this man ought to be ashamed of himself, yes I guess in a way he can say (if he really even believes) that his behavior was completely unChristian however it should be followed with a plan of action aside from pray for me, he needs counselling including anger management, he needs spiritual guidance and the ability no just to preach but believe. I certainly agree with the non-judgement of others under normal circumstances, I normally believe before you judge you should truly ask if you tried to help the situation but in this case, three sides to a story or whatever else, dude had no business putting his hands on a woman period. In fact if he felt the urge he should have prayed at that point and walked away. I will pray that he gets the help he needs and I will pray that his congregation insists that he does get help. I will also pray that people stop thinking that a woman in certain circumstances needs to beat.
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TesticAl
Comment: *Plays Ike Turner's greatest HITS*
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: Khufu, funny you bring up Rev. Ike, I remember back in the day many of us turned to his broadcast to laugh, we just knew no one would take him serious as a minister---WHO KNEW!!!
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: Queenie and all SORRY! I meant to say I have NOT read all of the posts...
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FiveMore
Comment: SweetieDarling>What about Prophet Benard?He gives me the creeps for real!
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gingerg
Comment: Who is Prophet Benard? Also, there is one who comes on TVOne on Sunday mornings that I can't stand. He's always selling vials of "holy water" and having people stand up and lie about how they were broke and miraculously went to the bank and found they had $92,000 in there for no apparent reason other than HE said they would receive a financial blessing.
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OSUN
Comment: I wonder about anyone who sells anointed water, cloths, etc. That european evangelist with the accent and big hair is suspect to me as well. What is his name?
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OSUN
Comment: Gingerg what is amazing is that people beleive them. I hold out the possiblity that these people are genuine however God gave us brains and so many people don't exercise it. I question anything that doesn't sound right to me, whether I am ignorant of the subject or not. Enlighten me. I remember when I was 15 and a member of this church and the pastor was giving a sermon. He was drawing conclusions between men and bread. He had the nerve to say half a loaf of bread was better than no loaf of bread at all. I was through with him from that point on. I may have just been 15 but I no longer listened to anything he had to say for the next three years waiting to graduate from HS, go to college and not have to attend his church anymore.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: Yes, Khufu, I did respond. And I'm responding again, just to draw attention to the fact that you are continuing to make yourself look childish and silly. I'm just sitting here smilling, seeing how you've simply exposed yourself. You've tried to come off as some mature-minded, deep thinking brother on these boards, but with your recent posts you're just making yourself look sillier and sillier, calling someone names because they refuse to debate and argue with you.Please. A wise man once said, if you give someone enough time, eventually they'll reveal who they really are. So continue to reveal yourself to us, Khufu. I dont mind at all. Peace.
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FiveMore
Comment: Prophet Benard is Rev.Run's(of RUNDMC) pastor.When his infomercial comes on television, I have to change the station.I get a weird vibe from him!It's creepy.
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BlkATLTop
Comment: Fortunately, I have not witnessed any of this church insanity first-hand. However, I do have friends who have. There's this one church in New Jersey where the pastor asked his members to donate their gold jewlery so that he could melt it down into a crucifix to wear around his neck. His wife got matching gold earrings from the melted gold. As crazy as it sounds, the members participated in droves and gladly gave up their jewels and didn't think twice about it.
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OSUN
Comment: Fivemore he was on an episode of Meet the Faith. He didn't get a chance to expound on his beliefs b/c Sheryl Lee Ralph was on there in hysterics and he couldn't get a point in edgewise. He is "mysterious" to say the least. He does sell those cloths. If those cloths really held the power he proclaims shouldn't he give them away. What happens when the supply gets low, do they never run out like the fish and loaves or are they not selling. I might order one just to see.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: Ok, folks. Call me crazy, but I’m hoping they can find a way to work things out. God hates to see divorce, and if they can find a way to reconcile, I think it would set a good example to a lot of people, as well as show the power of forgiveness. If Kobe Bryant’s wife can forgive him, and they seem to be happy with each other now, why not 2 co-pastors of a church?. I’d like to see that. I know some church-haters would enjoy seeing them get divorced , so they can bad-mouth the church even more. But I wish them all the best, and if their marriage can be saved, I’d be real happy for them.
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GodsChild
Comment: 6footah. You sound like a man who's accepted mediocrity his whole life. All I did was articulate my thoughts about the situation the best way I now how. If all you can do is attack my intellect, then I'll receive that. Doctorate, yes, online... Don't think so, just exercising juris prudence. Do you know anyone besides Bishop weeks that needs legal councel? LOL
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: DoctorSmooth> You do realize while it has been said that God hates divorce, one of the reasons for divorce is PHYSICAL ABUSE. It has nothing to do with hating Church or anything else but Domestic Violence rarely gets better, and how easy would it be for you say if your wife beat you butt and choked you and stomped you because of your actions, would you be thinking let's work it out or would you think, let me get away before the next go round when I could maimed or killed. We are not talking about a 'little tiff' or even a screaming match in puplic but fist on flesh, pain, the terror that perhaps no one will intervene and this person can keep beating you until they get tired. I think someone would always have that in the back of their mind in terms of should we be together. Normally I am for work it out because I hate to see marriage break up but mental and physical abuse, absolutely not because it shows a lack of basic respect for your spouse and disregard of their feelings and well being, you beat me you do not love me. And if the Lord sees fit to change your ways, good luck to the next woman.
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bigchassie
Comment: FIVEMORE>maybe he was trying to Punch the devil out of her. you know like they do in healing services *hit them upside the head and they fall out*
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gingerg
Comment: I don't know, but that 70's hairdo is not doing anything for him. I see how Jim Jones led all of those folks astray.
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OSUN
Comment: Doctorsmooth, I cant agree with that. I think if Juanita Bynum goes back to Weeks, this will promote staying with abusive spouses. He didn't cheat on her(that we know) he tried to kill her (stomping and choking) I know God hates divorce but I would think he hates domestic violence as well.
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bigchassie
Comment: GINGERJ>naww stop it! you mean they still do that? selling vials of "holy water" uh-uh nawww! that's just like back in the day when i was a little girl there was this pastor Rev A.A. Alen used to sell "holy cloths" pieces of cloths you supposed to put on things that you want blessed! SMH. i just be dayumed!
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gingerg
Comment: God hates spousal murder more and as for Kobe's wife, she is married to a lifestyle. She knows she can't control Kobe's urges to be with other women and is perfectly content to smile for the cameras, spend her days shopping and raising his babies.
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gingerg
Comment: And what do these pastors mean by using initials for their first name?
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BigBlackRod
Comment: I don't truss NANN muhphukka who preach on TV; cause to get on TV, you gotta streamline yo message to fit the parameters of the meanstream beliefs. If you teach contrary to the accepted party line, off the tube you go. These jacklegs could fight on UFC for all I care...PEACE.
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bigchassie
Comment: OSUN>That reminds me of that crazy looking tammi faye bakker looking woman with the big blond hair. i think she be on TBN. that woman looks wild!
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OSUN
Comment: BigblackRod, not necessarily. You dont have to conform you just have to have the money. It costs $50,000 a month to broadcast on BET. It costs less for some of the other channels. I sometimes look at the Shepards Chapel broadcast and they are the furthest thing from mainstream. They teach that White men are from the line of Adam. God created the other races of man on a different day. There are a slew of things. There is a question/answer section That is what I wait for. They also refer to Jesus as Yeshua/
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Stephanie
Comment: TMan, that's what I've been trying to get everybody to see. I think its just more to the story that what we're getting. Everyone knows the media will put dubs on it but unless you were there to see first hand what happened, you can't say it was all him. If he had beat, kicked, stomped and choked her out like that, it would have required at least a 3 day hospital stay. We're just selling this story like we bought it. No, I absolutely don't agree with a man hitting a woman but I just believe he merely tried to push her off him to get her out his face...something is just not adding up....
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khufu
Comment: LOL DOCSMOOTH revealing what? That I can be just as silly when necessary as the next person? LOL Yes I can be childish It's wonderful to be able to be silly AND SERIOUS some can only be one or the other....pushed your button again....now: If you respond tho this one I REALLY HAVE CONTROL OVER YOU..IM REALLY IN YOUR HEAD...and if you dont respond, which I predict you wont, youre spineless.....now the choice is yours.....the outcome..my victory over you.....
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khufu
Comment: you never answered oh great objective and informed one: DOCTORSMOOTH: Has Christianity ever been used to encourage terrorism against a people or culture?
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Stephanie
Comment: Queen, I love your posts but please understand its a no win battle with Kfool. This guy needs to go back to Africa and live happily ever after!!! FOCK...No one cares about the ancient African times and what this tribe did and all that other bullshyt none of us hardly understand. Your like Marcus Garvey reincarnated...how about if all of us stoned you would you leave us the hell alone? One more black history lesson and I swear, I'll scream...
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khufu
Comment: REV Floyd Flake....legit
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khufu
Comment: See how foolish and idiot some SOME Black people are and I bet STeph goes to a physical church often...
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OSUN
Comment: Stephanie, I guess what everyone else is trying to get you to see is that it really doesn't matter what else there is to the story. Short of Bynum having a weapon threatening to use it, nothing can justify Weeks CHOKING and STOMPING her. You can kill someone by doing those things. We were not there but Weeks has admitted to doing these things and the bell boy is a witness to what he was doing. It really matters not what the impetus is for the azz kicking that she got. I am not a fan of Bynum and I have never heard of her husband. I dont care if she fleeces people left and right, unless his life was in immediate danger(no weapons were found) it doesn't matter if she is coco coco for cocoa puffs, a bich, or anything else.
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khufu
Comment: and it is the Stephs of the world who follow blindly those who are just as blind....now she goes to church and says ANcient Hisotry has no place in the world today...and yet the entire Bible's validity is based on history and days gone by....Christ's whole existence in the Bible is based on divine and human LINEAGE and historical references yet she is foolish to negate the importance of History......
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Name:
rayne
Comment: Here is a question. We see Rev Run, Rev Ike & others who proclaim to have been called to teach the word of God, but how much schooling does one have to have in order to become an ordained minister?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: it is the Stephs of the world who think that she exists not from history but from a Gucci bag or a college degree...that is her god..materialism and illogic....such are the blind followers of anyone claiming to be a "MAn or Woman" of God........
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: OSUN and SweetieDarlin... I dont know if youre misunderstanding me here. I'm not saying she's required to stay with him, or that she should. But even if someone has the right to divorce their partner in a situation, that doesnt mean they are REQUIRED do to so. And that doesnt mean the person is an idiot if they decide they want to work things out. If, after counseling, and anger management etc, they decide they want to give their marriage another try, shouldnt I be happy for them?
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OSUN
Comment: Rayne, I dont necessarily beleive that you have to become an ordained minister to preach. Anyone can go to divinity school. Yes bible study is needed.
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khufu
Comment: They say while standing in the pews of the church that HISTORY is not important and when you ask them to explain the book of Chronicles and its meaning.....they go.....where is that in the Bible? They have never read it...therefore how could they know that it is a book of lineage...a book of history...so uninformed
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Name:
khufu
Comment: you can get an ordination on line.....
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Name:
khufu
Comment: It is the STEPHS of the world who have never heard of or read Chronicles but when a Minister says, "there was a man named Jabez who asked God to enlarge his coast.." as a justification to teach their doctrines of materialism then the STephs of the worlds know the Book of Chronicles as the book then becomes a justification for their greed and worldly desires.....
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OSUN
Comment: DoctorSmooth, I can only speak for myself when I say that I think it is foolish to work it out with someone who is trying to kill your azz whether the devil made him do it or not. I am not your hyper super religious person. I dont have your typical church language, but I have the mind that God gave me. We ask God for signs all day long, how big of a sign do you need. I guess death would be it. This is not your shoving or slapping. This is your WWF beatdown. I wish healing and restoration to Bynum as a victim of domestic violence. I wish the same to Weeks because I am required to( and I dont mind admitting this is a hard pill to swallow) but I dont wish for them to reconcile. This would be akin to placing a victim of sexual child abuse back in the home with the abuser after some counseling.
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khufu
Comment: It is the STephs of the world who have never read Isiah therefore are ignorant of it being one of the Books of Prophecy.....a Book that in Chapter 11 speaks to "that day" when the house (Branch/genealogy)of Jesse..shall be called along with HIs other people to gather together again......in THAT DAY....See STeph's ignorance abouh African History doesnt allow her to know that every single Branch mentioned in Isaiah 11 are traceable to Ham and SHem.....both of whom are the Biblical forebears of African people.....STEPH.....Respectfully.....back off
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Name:
khufu
Comment: REV Calvin BUtts legit..Rev Johnie Coleman legit.....
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Name:
GodsChild
Comment: SweetieDarlin. You really should have prefaced your latest comment with a disclaimer. One that states that physical abuse is right and just cause for divorce in your opinion. Of which I must say I disagree. I refute your comment because in Malachi 2:16, the Lord explicitly says, I hate divorce." I know you said this in your opening sentence, but follow me. Now! Here's where I disagree in general with the rest of your comment, because he says this without conditions. BUT wait! God was smart, afterall God realized that because marriage involves two sinful human beings, divorce is going to occur. God knew the end in the beginning, therefore he laid down some laws in order to protect the rights of divorcees, "especially women." Most importantly, Jesus pointed out that these laws were given because of the hardness of people’s hearts, and not because he had a desire for his people to divorce. Now if you look at Matthew 5:32, the scripture delineates the only reason a divorce may occur legally and justly in the eyes of God, and that is as a result of marital unfaithfulnes. So the reason I say all this is to say, one's personal flare or opinion on the matter does not give credence to spousal abuse being a reason for divorce. I'm not sure if you work in ministry or have ever had an opportunity to witness the miraculous hand of Jesus Christ, but I know anything's possible when touched by God. And I say this without embarrassment, but I've been freed and washed from many sinful things, and I know through the power of Jesus, this couple's marriage can be restored. I hope you don't think I'm being a cynic, I just wanted to share my view.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: LOL STEPH my dear lost child..the Bible is a book about African people therefore African History...read
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Name:
khufu
Comment: SO GODSCHILD...divorce is Biblically supported? SOme say yes and others say no....
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Name:
GodsChild
Comment: Khufu,
Wasn't it you that once proclaimed to have sat at the feet of the Sweet Daddy Grace? LOL!!!
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Name:
khufu
Comment: I gotta go...most Black folks who tqalk about "Christianity" no nothing abut the religion.......and when they are challeneged to discuss it intelligently they run and hide behind blind faith or just plain ignorance.....Now, I believe that we should study to show ourselves approved but as you can see, when you present the fruit of study, those uninformed Christians here cant doctrinally defend themselves so they attack you.....that is a reflection of the Black Christian reality in the real world....most dont read their Bibles; have never read them entirely or just dont understand them.....
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Most look for those opinions that already substantiate what they believe or what they have told by their ministers even if what they have been told is scripturally unsound.....
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Name:
GodsChild
Comment: Ahh khufu, great response, one I was waiting for.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: GODSCHILD No...Im too young to have done that...as a student of sociology and history I have cited him as Father Divine, Prohet Jones and a couple of others as historical religious figures in the Black Experience....come on now...if youre going to "argue" bring some doctrine.....
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Name:
khufu
Comment: If I ask you GODSCHILD for instance, what these two individuals contributed to the development of Christianity what would you say: Hegel and Dante?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: If the wuestion was posed to you DRMOOTH....please what was the impact that Constantine had on the development of Western Christianity what would your answer be?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: STEPH you call me a fool...okay: riddle me this: what is your position on Pauline Christianity? Now if you cannot answer intelligently, then who is the fool? Surely I %*$ert you are.....
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GodsChild
Comment: Divorce biblically supported? Before I answer this, let me say that I really do believe that there is a church within the church. One comprised of a body of people that hold true to the laws and discrees of the Gospel. One whose 'faith" and committment to spreading the gospel is unwavering and sound. Now, to answer your question, it depends on your faith and how you uphold the few scrptures I shared in my previous post. Eventhough the scripture gives infidelity as the only cause for divorce, that still does not mean it's a means to the end. When man unhardens his heart to the word of God, today what we classify as a miracle will be business as usual. So I did answer your question it's just not obvious. Think about. I enjoy the exchange.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: GodSCHILD...much respect.."Before I answer this, let me say that I really do believe that there is a church within the church. One comprised of a body of people that hold true to the laws and discrees of the Gospel. One whose 'faith" and committment to spreading the gospel is unwavering and sound.."
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Name:
khufu
Comment: GODCHILD where we might have to reason together on is what that Gospel is..but for another time...
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Name:
ImJustAsking
Comment: This is why I'm always scared to date someone who is super religious. It terrifies me b/c they will try to justify all types of stuff. I can't believe what I'm reading right now. Osun and sweetie, thanks for holding it down.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Christianity began as an offshoot of Judaism,[6] and includes the Hebrew Bible (known to Christians as the Old Testament) as well as the New Testament as its canonized scriptures.[7] Like Judaism and Islam, Christianity is classified as an Abrahamic religion (see also, Judeo-Christian)
The name "Christian" (Greek)meaning "belonging to Christ" or "partisan of Christ",[10] was first applied to the disciples in Antioch, as recorded in Acts 11:26.[11] The earliest recorded use of the term "Christianity" (Greek) is by Ignatius of Antioch
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queeniebunz
Comment: >khufu - I have no idea what Pauline Christianity is but I firmly submit that you are in fact a fool w/a Bible! You keep spouting out Scripture like you have turrets and you look ridiculous.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: As indicated by the name "Christianity", the focus of Christian theology is a belief in Jesus as the Son of God and the Messiah or Christ. The title "Messiah" comes from the Hebrew word (ma-šiá?) meaning anointed one. The Greek translation (Christos) is the source of the English word Christ.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: In the mid-first century, Christianity spread beyond its Jewish origins under the leadership of the Apostles, especially Peter and Paul. Some scholars even consider Paul to be the founding figure of Christianity, pointing to the extent of his writings and the scope of his missionary work.[80] Within a generation an episcopal hierarchy can be seen, and this would form the structure of the Church.[81] In 301 Christianity became a state-religion in Armenia being the first country to accept Christianity
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Name:
khufu
Comment: QUUEENIE on the contrary, I am learned and inspired....you have proven exactly what I said, when someone doesn't know something they do what you just did......
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Name:
khufu
Comment: QUEENIE what you prove as an adult is what kids and ignant Black adults say to Black folks who are really REALLY well educated and well=rounded..."You think youre white" or "You think you know everything" or "You think too much" LOL silly LCD (Least Common denominator.....and IJA..LOL...
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Name:
khufu
Comment: IJA while you couldnt date a man who was too religious you could date one who laid the pipe well right? Silly rabbits
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Name:
khufu
Comment: some yall like you QUEENIE are just funny..sad but funny....while you "condemn" mega=preachers youre IN MY ESTIMATION typically one of those who support them...a non-thinking, conformist......
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Christianity spread east to Asia and throughout the Roman Empire, despite persecution by the Roman Emperors until its legalization by Emperor Constantine in 313. During his reign, questions of orthodoxy lead to the convocation of the first Ecumenical Council, that of Nicaea.
Some writers consider Paul to be the founding figure of Christianity as opposed to Jesus, pointing to the extent of his writings and the scope of his missionary work.[82] See also Pauline Christianity.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: SO it wasnt Immanuel who established Christianity, it was Paul and or Peter.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: ANd Emperor Constantine mad e the formal State religion valid when he sanctioned it.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: But no matter what truths come to most, they still will not repent....they love the darkness...they love being led to the slaughter...they love being tricked and mislead......
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Name:
queeniebunz
Comment: SweetieD - I put it in a word doc so if you want me to, I can e-mail it to you. I added some stuff too. queeniebunz@hotmail.com if you want it.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: They talk about the members of Weeks church being blindly mislead and they too are just as blind following a shepherd that might not be of the true and living God
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Name:
queeniebunz
Comment: >khufu - I'm going to reach for my phone and call the religion police so you'll drop your Bible and history books cuz you're dangerous! Here they come!...(Religion police come in weilding a cross at khufu) - "Hey you! You in the daishikee! Drop the books! Put the Bible down slowly on the table! Take that beanie off your head and stand still! Grab the Holy water! No, not that little vial. Get the gallon jug. We're gonna need more for this one..."
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Name:
GodsChild
Comment: khufu,
I'd have to say, I know nothing of Dante and Hegel, other than Dante's association with Catholicism and his development of early 1300 literary poems. I.E, the Divine Comedy. Hegel, Geroge Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel is most noted for his concepts on theorems on the human mind, thought, and how thoughts are at some popint evidenced by reality. Both of which were weird dudes, and agnostics. Hegel thought that rather than through divine design, much of what we see and experience, even nirvana is developed through the conscious. I'd have to say I haven't read much about these guys other than what I captured in my socioly books in college some years ago, and many atheists an agnostics use his theorie to substantiate their position of a non-existent Godhead.
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Name:
MomaKnowz
Comment: khufu: Back AWAY from the keyboard... slowly. No, no... it's okay, REALLY. Just put it down and back away. It'll be here next week. No, now. Just back away-don't type-just back away. LOL
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Name:
ThickMadame
Comment: Devil, thy name is THOMAS WEEKS!!!! Accept responsibility, you sick twisted excuse for a man!!!!!
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Name:
SweetieDarlin
Comment: Dr. Smooth> No definately not saying that at all and thank you for expanding your point for clarity. Godchild's> No I have not worked in the Ministy at all, my concern however is the point that there have been many people stuck in bad marriages because they are told that it is against God to divorce. I do not believe in divorce in the terms of 'do over' but I do not want people who have tried all they can to work on their marriage to stay for the rest of their days and be miserable. My response to Dr. Smooth was along the lines that there have been many a woman beaten to death or with a man who has done horrendous mental abuse to her and the family. One woman in a Cell group I attend described praying for 10 years all while her husband, stole money, gambled their life savings away, was physically and mentally abusive and was wondering why God didn't fix him and what she should do next---the response God loves marriages, no other counselling, nothing else, just that. Please believe I believe absoultely in the power of Prayer and I am not trying to dispute God's word, just wondering about the true and complete interpretation when it pertains to some things.
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Name:
DoctorSmooth
Comment: Queeniebunz... Now do you see why I stopped arguing with him? There are some people who think that "knowledge" and "understading" are the same thing. (Fool w/ a bible, huh? I gotta use that line one day.)
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Name:
rayne
Comment: LOL @ KHUKU on the "silly rabbits" comment.
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Name:
ttvcc2
Comment: WHERE ARE ALL THE MINISTERS OF FORGIVENESS THAT THIS COUNTRY HAS. HERE IS A YOUNG BLACK MAN WITH NATIONAL EXPOSURE SAID HE HAS FOUND JESUS... WHEN WE ARE IN CHURCH AND SOMEONE WALKS UP THE AISLE WE ALL CLAP AND THANK GOD. BUT HERE A YOUNG MAN NEEDS ALL THE SUPPORT OF THE SO CALLED CHURCH FOLKS AND NOBODY IS TALKING...WHERE IS TBN, WHERE IS CBN, HAS HE BEEN JUDGED ALREADY AMONSGT THE PEOPLE WHO TALK TO GOD EVERYDAY AND READ HIS WORD EVERYDAY...MAYBE HE IS NOT AS INNOCENT AS THE WOMAN WHO SHOT HER HUSBAND BUT HE HAS PRAYED THE SAME PRAYER THAT WE ALL PRAY AND ASK FOR GODS FORGIVENESS... WHERE ARE YOU MEGA CHURCHES, SURELY GOD WILL SAVE HIM TOO. WELL I GUESS IT WILL HAVE TO BE GOD ALONE BECAUSE THIS RIGHTEOUS WORLD WE LIVE IN HAS THE PREACHERS ON ESPN...
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Name:
SweetieDarlin
Comment: Dr. Smooth> One other thing, now I still stand by the point of physical abuse being my breaking point and I honestly do not think I could get past that with prayer, counselling or anything else, I could not forget that terror, I'd probably be ready to feed him Poke Weed salad after everything died down, then I'd really go some place really hot I would not like. I am not going to call someone a fool if they chose to stay---happiness probably would be reserved for a very long time. You more optimistic than I am in this case so based your belief and faith it is not wrong for you.
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Name:
queeniebunz
Comment: ttvcc2 - calm down. Chill w/the caps!Jeez. Stop "yelling" at us! The day is almost over. Take it down a thousand...lol
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: yall...all i can say that it has been wild on here today! advise to all married folks here: if you get mad to the point of wanting to smack your sweetie upside the head...WALK AWAY QUICKLY!
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: especially if you cannot communicate with one another and the argument gets over heated. simply walk away. stay away for a while and just chill out for a while. cause when you strike your lovedone, you crossed the forbidden line and you will have to pay the conseqnses. it's as simple as that.
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Name:
DoctorSmooth
Comment: TVCC2... Yo! Calm it down a little. Seriously...we're gonna need you to stop drinking so many Red Bulls! :O)
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: DRSMOOTH>CTHUPP!!
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Name:
Stephanie
Comment: OSUN, your right...I just want to see how this is going to play out. I kind of feel bad for them both...but I also believe God is exposing them for who they really are and its unfortunate that he had to result to kicking her arse because he has some major issues and now everyone he's ever dealt with will come to light on how he beat the shyt out of them. I just pray for healing for them both, mentally, spritually, and physically.
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Name:
Stephanie
Comment: Kfool, I have my own personal relationship with the almighty and it keeps me content every minute of the day. I go to church faithfully and I enjoy fellowshipping with others. The Bible comforts me during times of confusion and I have seen God move and work in my life to where no one would understand but me and him and that's mighty fine with me. Jesus Christ didn't call himself a Christian. That is simply a title. I have a relationship with the Lord and will tell everybody about somebody who can save anybody...he's just that kind of God. Why this situation came to light, I have no clue but maybe God is exposing so he can start removing...
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Name:
lucky
Comment: "We've got certain things going on right now" WTF?? What the hell kind of response to his congregation is that? He came in that church just as arrogant as he left it! Then he left the building and left a guest pastor to take over! Excuse me, but shouldn't he have come in there on the humble and straight up apologized to his congregation for losing his temper to the point that her hurt his wife and disgraced himself! Shouldn't he have asked his church to forgive him for not being strong enough to be a better example to them and all the young men out there may be looking to him as a mentor. How bout an apology to the women in his church that may be going through beat downs themselves and come to his church for refuge, comfort and look to him as an example of what they wished their husbands/boyfriends should be striving to be! I mean really, no humility at all but he gets thunderous applause! WTF!! Sick I tell ya, just plain sick!!!
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Name:
Nonnie
Comment: To the commenter 'nightshift'--did you really have to use the n___ word? Pretty disgusting of you. The Bible says--"judge not, lest ye be judged", but I find it tiring when celebrities, pro-athletes etc. suddenly find God and use rehab to hide behind when their skeletons fall out of closet.
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Name:
4462DG
Comment: Nonnie...what was wrong with nightshift using the negro, I mean it's not like the n word was used!!!!
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Name:
Timolyn
Comment: Wow 300 hits before 11:30am EST. I am amazed......LOL. I'll be all day trying to read the first 300 posts.... not this time......LOL
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