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DonJuan
Comment: OK people. All jokes aside. Take a REAL GOOD HARD LOOK at how disrespectful these candidates are that have chosen not to show up. Take a good hard look at how Condy Rice, Collin Powell, and J.C. Watts will NEVER come out PUBLICLY and say a word about how WRONG this is. Now, think about how LITTLE African-Americans, and Latino Americans are respected in this country and you can clearly see what White / Republican America thinks about us. They think absolutely NOTHING of us and our opinions just as they do in the work place when we speak and/or present an idea that is not spawned from there lips. We are considered non-existent partially because our voter turn out is so poor that, according to the numbers, they don't need to make the effort. Bottom line is that Republicans do not believe they need our vote to win the election. The ultimate slap in the face. Having said that. I implore each and every one of you that are of voting age to go to the polls and ensure that a Republican does not sit in the office of President of the United States this coming election. It's one thing to disagree with someone or there position. However, it is an entirely different thing when people constantly disrespect you simply because of the color of our skin. Now we all see and feel how the Bill O'Reillys of the world really feel and think. I would hate to be them on judgement day. So full of hate. So discompassionate. So not loving of others. Funny thing is that the Guilliani's, Romney's, and McCains will be in church on Sunday "praising" the Lord claiming to be believers in Christ. Isn't it ironic that the very God that most Christians pray to was a POOR man of COLOR that dwelled not amongst the rich but amongst the poor and disenfrachised? Isn't it ironic that He implored us to do for the LEAST of us as we live our lives? Isn't it ironic that He told us that those that are FIRST shall be last? Isn't it ironic that He told us the MEAK shall inherit the earth? Maybe they don't know the same Jesus that I do but I know He would not like what he sees in them. Peace and love to you all. -Deuces
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TGen
Comment: Great post, DonJuan. You're right, most know why the Repubs don't feel the need to show up--"they don't feel they need Black votes to win." In many ways, unfortunately, their right (ala George Bush circa 2004). But I gotta take issue with this article. I'm not quite sure if EURWeb is considered an "official" news site and should be taken as such or if it's just someone's personal blog, but I find the opinions and subjectiveness throughout this particular article kind-of annyoing. Specifically, one of the main things I kept waiting to read was the EXPLANATION (or even excuse) of the candidates who are not showing up. Usually, they'll pull a "schedule conflict" or something. A good journalist ALWAYS at least presents the other side, even if only to make his argument better. I think it's unfair and disingenuous to not provide that other side for the readers. Not from Tavis Smiley as he was speaking out of his raw emotion, but it seems like Mr. Bailey would have found at least a small paragraph or sentence or something to mention the candidates' side...so that we, the readers, could decide for ourselves if those reasons are valid. *Sigh* Oh well...
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soulmusic101
Comment: I can't wait to hear what the "Conservative" Black EUR Republican's have to say about this slap in the face.......Oh Condi is such a shining example of a Black Republican....LOL...The Republican Party is at a crossroad when it comes to American's of Color and it doesn't look promising. Tavis has always treated everyone on his show with respect so don't use that Lie that Tavis hates Republican's. Tavis can only take so much though....Full disclosure, not a Democrat became Independent in 2000 after Gore refused to fight for the truth and let the worst president in history slither into Office. Also didn't like how the Democrat's didn't stick up for Cynthia McKinney. Watch the DVD "Blackout" to see what happened. Another Republican has decided not to run in 2008, he see's the writing on the wall that his Party is beyond Corruption.
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TGen
Comment: I meant "they're right..." Had to correct that as that is like one of my pet peaves, can't believe I made that mistake! lol
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soulmusic101
Comment: Tgen...Google "Black Debate Republicans" for the fact's...A blind Man can see this trend. Cornel West has written an excellent article about this issue.
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ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: TGEN....I agree. As much as I like and admire Tavis, as many, many do, I fear people will take this piece as gospel simply for that reason and not complete their own investigation of what happened. I guess much like many take what's covered in EUR as gospel. This is an opinion based on a reality. In our search for truth, let's REQUIRE it ALL be told by everyone. BTW...excellent comment DONJUAN.
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Selah
Comment: The republican party is becoming irrelevant. From the sex scandal, to overspending and the President's dwindling approval rating doesn't help. No wonder they're digging up Newt Gingrich in an attempt to regain credibility. It's going to be Obama or Clinton in '08.
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McNasty
Comment: Just proves black folks have sat around too long thinking our vote didn't count so most opted not to vote. Well, we know that works evidenced by the blatant disrespect shown us up to this point the overwhelming scandals that would, but for all the leaks, have been swept under the rug. We must find out if we turn out en masse can we turn them out en masse - I'm certainly willing to cast my vote!
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musbdherbs
Comment: I hate when Nygger Bailey covers stories like this because you only get half-truths. Yes, it would be nice to know the reasonining behind them not showing. Most interesting is that the majority (the hardline conservs) have decided to show up. So, while it may be a bad reflection on the party, they will have all but three in attendance. Is it a slap in the face of blacks...uhm..I guess you can say that..or not. Have most of us watched even half of the republican debates...uhm..probably not. What exactly should Condi, Armstrong, J.C and 'em say? They are well aware of their party and blacks haven't had the ear of the repubs for as long as I've been born. Why should this debate be any different?
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McNasty
Comment: I am listening to Tavis on tjms and because he is thorough in disseminating information I believe if there were another side he would have said. He repeated his telephone conversation with Law & Order Fred who offered up no excuse whatsover! If all of them did that, well you know where I'm coming from. Politically we're not even worthy to make excuses to!!
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khufu
Comment: well, since Reagan, why would Black folks expect otherwise from the Republican Party? Again, the problem for me is that Black folks keep expecting a leopard to change its spots.
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dcdouglass01
Comment: Good luck, TGen, on getting anything but a "no comment" from the leading four Republican candidates (Fred Thompson just officially announced he wouldn't be there either. His comment? No comment.) And Tavis is not that naive. A little hurt maybe, since this one has his name on it. But good that he's making his opinion perfectly clear. It's been clear for quite some time that Black folk don't matter to Republicans in the electoral college math (another of many reasons why we should have a national one person/one vote). But good advice, DonJuan, because if we turn out in high enough numbers, all we need is one or two states that typically go red (quite doable, given that right now the trailer-park Republican base is not that excited about the crop of candidates they have to choose from) to flip and elect the lesser of the two evils.
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huey
Comment: tavis just stated on tom joyner's morning show that all of us black folk are to call any media outlet, electronic outlet, eurweb included etc, to speak to the issue of the republican candidates turning their backs on the african american voters by not showing up at the upcoming presidential debates to be held at morgan state university. i am doing my civic duty to make sure i get the word out, and implore the rest of you intelligent eur readers to do the same, either on this site, or any other website/blog that u visit. we must be recognized by everyone who is looking for our vote in the 2008 election.
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khufu
Comment: I tend to believe that their unwillingness to show up is more about them not wanting to be under the scrutiny of journalists who will not tow the conservative, powers that be, white power line....from what I have seen of the Democratic and Republican "debates", the journalists seem to be working more as publicists and PR Consultants for the candidates as opposed to representatives of public interest...these journalist including Tavis, would have grilled their azzes....and the Repub lies and fluff could not withstand such
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khufu
Comment: HUEY....if you can listen to WAOK on internet today...google...WAOK..it's a radio station in Atlanta...all talk...Black.....beginning at 9am..you can call in as well
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RicardoHazell
Comment: The reason why no other side was presented was because the Republican candidates did not give one, period. No such press release, brief or excuse exists.
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TGen
Comment: Nope, sorry yall, I heard Tavis on TJMS just now also. Just because he didn't give the reason does NOT mean one was not given to him. Tom didn't even ASK him if one was given. And you have to keep in context, OF COURSE Tavis is subjective in this, this is his debate, lol. He feels no need to give the generic excuses given him...and OF COURSE we ALL know why these old azz white men don't want to show up (as stated in both DonJuan's and my earlier posts). But that's not the point. The point is from a JOURNALISTIC standpoint, it is always a good idea to give the other side, even if it's just a small mention. And I don't buy for one second that there was no reason (excuse) given, don't buy it for a second. No PR person in any campaign would go for that.
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huey
Comment: khufu
thank u,
i will give it a shot.
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TGen
Comment: And Huey, I think it's a good idea to get the word out to uninformed Blacks (like the ones who foolishly voted for Bushie the first go round cuz he was supposedly a "Christian", lol, how ridiculous) that the Repubs don't give a damn about them. But I REFUSE to beg these knucklehead candidates to come talk to us. Hell no. If they don't want to come, screw them. Yes, they probably know most of us ain't voting for them anyway so in a sense their dismissal of Blacks is understandable, but it's still extra tacky. So I'll be damned if I cry a river cuz some borderline racist White men won't come lie to me and sell me fluff, lol. Nope, not me.
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musbdherbs
Comment: As much in arms we will be about things as trivial as this, can we also be up in arms about the Democratic party? It is not like blacks and their issues are the favorites of the democratic party. Our over-the-years descent didn't start w/Bush. We need to recognize. Other than the HU debate and Clinton's rousing "if white women were the infected w/HIV" statement. what exactly have the democratic candidates said that would affect blacks? We cheered like people in the congregation behind it. But bytch what have you done other than make that statement! Has HIV in black women been the focal point of your campaign? No because it's not popular. What have any of them done. And we want to question the republicans dedication to blacks? Oh ok.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: I know for a FACT as to the stated "explanations." This is FIRSTHAND information.
Romney - L.A. fundraising event he's supposed to host in Santa Monica.
McCain, Rudy - flat "no's...no explanation." Called back this week to "officially offer" the scheduling conflict excuse.
Fred Thompson - Originally agreed to attend and said PERSONALLY to Tavis that if he announced his candidacy PRIOR to the debate he would in fact attend. Officially said no as of yesterday with no specific reason given (Monday).
These are the FACTS...now feel free to continue the discussion accordingly.
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MOTHERSHIP
Comment: If the Repub candidates are pulling this mess now, God knows what it will be like under another Repub regime and that we can't let happen, people. Tavis is right, if they can't even come to the table and caucus with us then ain't no sense in us entertaining their candidacy.
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dcdouglass01
Comment: And musb, to ride on your point, that's why I call the Democrats the lesser of two evils. Like it or not, nationally this country is a two-party system. If the Independents or Greens or whomever want to run a candidate for president, fine. But practically speaking, there are two choices. And once and if Hillary is elected, the work in the Black communities has just begun, because once elections are over the elected---be they Democratic or Republican---simply slither back into bed with whatever corporate interests put them there. So the Democratic power structure won't do much either, but at least, IMO, there won't be as many road blocks as we move forward with the things that need to be done in our communities.
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TMan
Comment: "The frontrunners, specifically Mr. Romney, Mr. McCain and Mr. Guiliani, have said to us they will not be on stage at Norfolk State University on September 27th." --- I think he meant to say Morgan University in Baltimore. Anyway I feel him on this. That is a straight up diss to black and brown people that they have refused to attend both debates.
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archcookies
Comment: Now if it were a debate chaired by Jesse Jackson or his sidekick Al Sharton I would avoid that kind of exposure. But Tavis is respected for his insight and intelligence and I agree with him that if they are interested in all of the people of this country then they should be president. But let's face it few presidents in our lifetime with the exception of JFK, LBJ and WJC have should any real interest in making the plight of the disenfranchised tenable. Most of the other presidents played lip service, and This Bush in the white house is a total idiot and a major A.SSHOLE.
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Southernbelle
Comment: The Republican party don't like black people.
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RicardoHazell
Comment: Thank you Mr. Okelly for that clarification. I also meant to state in my previous post that no explanations where given to US for our story as of press time late last night.
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McNasty
Comment: So basically it's like I said, we aren't even worthy of a decent damn excuse!!
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FiveMore
Comment: Republicans do not need blacks or black republicans to win in 08.If LaRaza or the Hispanic Caucus called a forum, I bet you every Rebublican candidate would be there with sombrero in hand.(Sorry to say this fact)People, We are not relevant to the Republicans or the Democrats anymore.We are the invisible men and women this time around!HMMMMM....Aint this a trip.
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realuvbaby
Comment: That old notion that black Republicans say, 'You're owned by the Democratic party and we need to get off the plantation.' Those exact words were said to me to my utter Yankee amazement an Atlanta elevator, so I know that's how they feel. I also believe that's why Katrina was such a fiasco. It was not a "race" issue so much as it was a "class" issue. The Re-Thuglicans (I wish I owned that phrase) had no reference for people who are not like them nor agree with their agenda. So Republicans to me, means White Male Supremacy. And if they cannot "use" you, then they have no use for you. Imagine that white chick telling me it was time for me to leave the plantation. I told her that on thangs were good on Bill Clinton's plantation for everybody, not just us slaves.
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silver427
Comment: Co-sign Don Juan. And want to repeat his appeal for everyone of you to vote, vote, vote!
The Republicans are such hypocrites, they talk this game of no one left behind and all inclusive, but when they have the chance to step up to the plate, they refuse. It's time for all of them to go!
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realuvbaby
Comment: And when I told her she should not be speaking that way to a black woman she did not know, she told me she was only repeating what some Black Republican said and I told her that didn't make it alright. The Re-Thuglican frontronners know they will be asked questions that they don't have answers for. So prevention is better than intervention because you can't unring a bell. Black Republicans are their greatest weapons, though.
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barnone
Comment: i'm glad this happened. black folk n amerikkka need 2 wake the hell up. yt folk steady kicking them n the a$$ and they continue 2 bend over and take it so at this point, as far as i'm concerned, they deserve it.
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SpecialK
Comment: The Republicans know their party is going to hell on the express so no, they will not show up and face the criticism. Their absence speaks volumes about what they think is important in this country. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. They will never have my vote!
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soulmusic101
Comment: I am also glad that Senile McCain, Lazy Fred Thompson, Blacks can't be trusted Gulliani, and Cult Member Mitt Rommney let People of Color know "That's the way I feel about cha" (word's stolen from Bobby Womack). To borrow an old cliche, action speaks louder than word's. Thompson knew about this Debate before he announced his decision to run. Folk's act like Tavis made a decision to hold this Debate just yesterday and didn't give these Pro-War Candidates enough time to clear their schedules. I bet if the Debate's were held on Faux News they would have been there. Tavis is not Naive and all 4 of the major player's have told Tavis "No Comment". I bet Ron Paul will be there.
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musbdherbs
Comment: I thought the criticism surrounding this article was two-fold. 1) That Nygger Bailey failed to address in THIS article WHY they made the decision 2)That there had to have been a reason other than "we're not coming." Romney, Guiliani and McCain are some of the most "liberal" republicans running. So, I still don't get why "they" (of all people) chose not to attend but the other extremely conservative candidates (who don't even believe in evolution) would. I'm not going to make this a "see how republicans are" thing when the dems are fairing no better. Maybe they felt the environment would not be to their benefit..who knows. But, I didn't see a lot of democrats complaining when the democrats decided NOT to show up at the Fox Debate. Either way, I would like to hear the truth of this matter by NOT relying on EUR and it's usual, piecemeal, half-reporting style. What is the democratic position on advancing the causes of blacks? Obama obviously can't talk about blacks but what do the other candidate say? Maybe it ain't as ReTHUGlican as we would like to believe.
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soulmusic101
Comment: What up Musb...Curious why would the Dem's attend anything by Faux Not New's? When did Faux become a News Channel and not an extension of the RNC? The majority of Faux Viewer's still believe that Saddam caused 9/11. Go figure.
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soulmusic101
Comment: 'The Republican National Committee has a special offer for African-American soldiers: Go to Baghdad, lose your vote.'
'A confidential campaign directed by GOP party chiefs in October 2004 sought to challenge the ballots of tens of thousands of voters in the last presidential election, virtually all of them cast by residents of Black-majority precincts.'
'Files from the secret vote-blocking campaign were obtained by BBC Television Newsnight, London. They were attached to emails accidentally sent by Republican operatives to a non-party website.'
http://www.gregpalast.com/massacre-of-the-buffalo-sold iers
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Timolyn
Comment: DONJUAN>>>>great post. I agree there are two sides to every story, but this is balantly showing how they have always felt towards blacks. KHUFU>>>I agree with you 100%. Everyone is in shock, but why? I watched the first Rep debate and as usual they walked around the questions, but was I surprised he!! naw. I understand what Tavis attempted to do. At least he is trying to do something for us to be able to express our views and concerns at these debates. I will say this the top three republicans that stated they will not attend the debate, well come April/May I bet you they will show up at the "black mega" churches. Republicans: the top three stating... we do not need to attend a debate for blacks/latino voters because their stupid azzes is not going to vote anyway. So, why should we appease them by showing up at "their" debates. That's a waste of "my" time I can sit back an enjoy a dry martini in the comfort of whatever and be content. Basically, that's what they are saying. They do not give a fuKK about intelligent and/or especially ignorant black/latino folks. KHUFU>>>sorry to say black folks have not figured it out yet. That's the sad part and will they ever.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Soul..not disputing that. However, when have blacks been less than hostile to republicans and not an extension of the DNC? The majority of Dem's believe that George Bush was responsible for Katrina...lo Can't have it both ways.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: I've done a little reading into this, and the stated reasons by the candidates are basically "scheduling conflict". Meaning fundraisers or other appearances in other states that day. I still think its bogus, cuz if CNN or Fox were holding the event, they'd move things around to be there. Every time the Republicans get a chance to represent themselves positively before black America they shoot themselves in the foot. And this is coming from an independent conservative black man, who will NEVER join the Republican party. This right here is ridiculous.
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khufu
Comment: TIM nope the majority wont. The need and desire to be accepted is so very counter productive especially when one seeks such from those who seek only to oppress and exploit those seeking acceptance. Franz Fanon wrote abut it.....
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: MUSB... interesting points. The fact is, it would be hostile environment for them. When republican's face all-black audiences the hostility and/or skepticism from the crowd is hard not to notice. But if you're going to be tough enough to face North Korea, Iran, Al Qaeda, etc, you should be tough enough to face a crowd of skeptical black American citizens insted of running away. Each of the major candidates (Romney, Guiliani, Thompson) could have really distinguisshed themselves by being the one that showed up when the others decided to hide... but they all punked out like a bunch of wimps. Very, very weak indeed. I still feel that the Democrats care less now about black people than ever, since they already know they've got the black vote. So now they're courting the Latino vote instead. However, a move like this will just solidify the feeling that Republicans are racist. Dumb move on their part.
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khufu
Comment: Honestly, it is so very counter productive for Black folks to have political discussions with the confines of a two party system...both parties are run by white oppressive folks....although I am a registered democrat..my political ideology is a Pan Africanist Nationalist...I realize that TRUE freedom for Black folks can never be achieved within American party politics and/or the American political system.....
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soulmusic101
Comment: MusB, Have the Republican's ever pretended to like Black's in the last 50 year's? I loved it when George Bush said after he won as the Govenor in Texas "Since the Black's didn't turn out for me, they better not expect anything". Hello petulant Bush, some Black's are not that naive. BTW...Republican Nominee's all White Old School Men, The Dem's, well ya know.
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khufu
Comment: The Republican Party is the party of the white segrationalist and the overt white supremacist
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: TIMOLYN... Gotta disagree with u on one thing there. Republicans generally don't show up at black mega-churches. Overwhelmingly, Democrats are the ones that do that. And,politics aside, I've always had a problem wiht that. When I'm in chuch Sunday morning I dont want to see a politician in the pulpit rallying for votes. And I sure dont want my pastor pimping his congregation for any politicians. But black folk usually feel so "honored" to have a major politician visiting them at their church that they dont even see, (or care) just how shameful it is to be using a house of worship as campaign stop.
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khufu
Comment: NOpe and I will never forget in 1980 when Ronald Wilson Reagan won..a newspaper article in The Atlanta Journal Constitution (or was it in 84?) wherein a Klansman said he was disbanding a klavern because there was no longer a need for the Klan as Reagan would pick up where the Klan left off....
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soulmusic101
Comment: Hell just froze over, I agree with DoctorSmooth. I told my former Pastor to take his pamplet that he was handing out and put it in the garbage. Sorry I don't need you to tell me how to vote, plus he was pro-Bush...enough said.
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barnone
Comment: "TRUE" freedom 4 black folks can never be achieved within american party politics..." THIS IS THE OVERLYING POINT!!! wake up people. repub, dem, conserv, liberal they ALL r the same, come from the same source. can 1 really expect 4 the same individual who enslaved him 2 give him true freedom? it would b counterproductive on his part. i tell ya, ya been dooped, bamboozled, hoodwinked.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Doc..I agree but said the same thing about the democrats not agreeing to the Fox Debate. We criticized Bush for not showing up at the NAACP, now criticize three republicans for not showing up at Tavis thing. However, we conveniently feel that the dems were 'right' not to show up at the Fox debate because of their hostility. That may be true. But, while NONE of the dems chose to participate in the Fox debate...the MAJORITY of the repubs have agreed. Some'n don't smell right on both sides of that. I'm not sure if the repubs didn't show up at the big churches but i do know that a lot of the mega-churches, Carlton Pearson (before the fall from grace), TD Jakes, Donnie McClurkin and 'em were instrumental in get'n blacks to vote Republican in this past election and 00 as well. I believe there was a financial incentive.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: Soulmusic, that funny... Hell did freeze over. (I was wondering where that sudden chill came from :O] ) Anyway.. Lemme take the point a step further. If u notice, one thing you will NEVER see is a politician holding a rally in a Mosque or Jewish temple. But you see them in churches all the time. Why is it that muslims and Jews have enough respect for their houses of worship to never allow it to be desecrated by politicians, but so many Pastors dont have that same level of respect for the house of God? And I'm not saying that to be church-bashing, being a Christian myself. My pastor would never go for that mess, thank God . But I see that at too many so-called houses of worship. Some of these people better get heir priorities straight.
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Timolyn
Comment: DOCTOR>>>>I can not argue with you on that one since I do not attend "mega" church anymore. I can say on a local and state level "Rethuglicans" (as someone says) were attending the black churches here. And of course Democrats bombards the churches. I feel we will "never" get past racism. When it is so wide open with "politicians" and then down the line to the average joe blow. Well, if they can do it so can we. I really find it sad that other races get more respect than us. But on the other hand can you blame them, blacks do not have respect for one another so why should we think that other races should have respect for us. I was watching the view over the weekend and the chick who sits between Whoopi and Sheri was commenting on Oprah giving Obama a fundraiser and how she will be using her show to promote Barack and the influence she has on her viewers. She also went on stating that's not right etc. Well, I wanted to reach through my TV and smack that bytch. Basically, she's %*$!ed that Oprah is so wide spread with a strong fan base and she feels Oprah is using that to promote Obama. Well duh. I was so glad when Barbara Walters stepped up and came to Oprah's defense. I do not agree with everything Oprah says or does, but one thing I am in agreeing with is if Oprah can reach some people who does not vote, but will register to vote for this election in 2008 than so be it. Whew.....I digress.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: MUSB... gotta differ with you on that. Lets not forget one of he driving issues of the 2000 election season was the gay marriage vs. traditional marriage issue. The gay marriage thing was on the ballot in quite a few states that year. So a lot of Pastors were rallying fols around that issue. This is fully legal by the way, for a church to encourage people to vote on a particular issue, (abortion, gay marriage, moral values etc) as long as they dont explicity promote or mention a particular party. So these ministers you mentioned did push people to vote, knowing that the votes of conservative church folk would mosly benefit the Republicans . But I see that as being more an issue of moral conviction and values, than a money thing.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: Sorry, I actually meant the 2004 elections, not 2000.
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SmokeyBones2004
Comment: YADA..YADA...YADA...and you wonder why they backed out? They probably don't want to be villified and attacked like all the knee-grows are doing on this board. No matter what they say, they are going to be jeered for the name Republican alone.
They will not have a fair showing anyway w/ Tavis. Tavis is the same man who said "Blacks are an emotional people" when he was questioned about allowing one of his debates to get out of conrol. You do not have to fill in the blanks or make up reasons - they don't want to get 'roasted'. 'Black' people wonder why the Repubs are no shows.. conspiracy theories and 'Bush doesn't care about Black people'. Yeah, Whateva!
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khufu
Comment: Because FOX is not objective..they have a Conservative, ill-gotten, lying azz agenda...Fox is not journalism..it is propaganda at its best
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khufu
Comment: LOL listen white culture, western civilization and white people are on their way out.....hold on trying to be with them and saving a dying culture and people if you want to.......LOL...Get thee out of Babylon....Rome........America
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khufu
Comment: for those who really like to read...here is a great book to read in order to understand what is happening in America...it's written by a white professor...."The rise and fall of the great powers : economic change and military conflict from 1500 to 2000"
by Paul Kennedy
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khufu
Comment: when empires fall, they first crumble from within: politically, culturally, morally, spiritually, economically and militarily........THEn outside forces come in and conquer them.....America is wounded......politically, morally, etc, etc.......republican or democrat....it's falling.....with democrats, we MIGHT have a little bit more time left before she keels over
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: SmokeyBones... I agree 100%. It would have been a very hostile environment. Its one thing for a politician to go to a place where its going to be a tough crowd. Its another if folk are going to be just straight up hostile and nasty. And I think the Republican candidates figured they just didnt need that. I cant say I blame them 100%, but if even one of them decided to show up, he would have won a lot of respect from me, for sure. I remember when Kerry in 2004 showed up at question and answer for UNITY, a group of journalist of color. You would have thought it was a campaign rally. Folk were cheering and not being professional and impartial the way journalist should be. Bush showed up later for his session, and it was an embarrasment; folk were just sneering and snickering at almost everything he said... and this is a guy who is the President of the United States! I was like, good grief show a little respect. It was a real embarassment; made me cringe and just shake my head. Sometimes, the "educated black professionals" act no different from the way a bunch of street ni99as would . Its ridiculous.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: KHUFU... You're quite right. America is crumbling from within, especially morally, spiritually, and economically. Our best days are behind us. Watch for China and the European Union to replace us as the next 2 great superpowers.
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Train
Comment: >Dr. Smooth, I don't care if Bush is the president of the unitedf states, f'cuk him and the horse that he rode in on. I respect the person, not the office and if the person isn't about shyt then the office he holds isn't about shyt either. Bush is the worst president EVER!!! I can't see how anyone with some sense can defend this moron and his stupid azz war. Bush isn't worthy of any respect because he has failed to do that for the american people. Now if the GOP candidates will disrepect my frat brother Tavis then the hell with them too. I bet these GOP cats will be all up the black churches next spring kissing babies and singing hymns.
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Timolyn
Comment: DOCTORSMOOTH>>>stated "Sometimes, the "educated black professionals" act no different from the way a bunch of street ni99as would . Its ridiculous." I know that's right.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: TRAIN.. I head u. However, I know people who are or were members of that organization, and many of them thought the behavior of their colleagues was shameful. And these are people who didnt even vote for Bush. So there are still some of us that think that acting with couth, dignity, and decorum still has its place, even if you don't feel that way. And as far as the "worst president ever", I'm sorry... Jimmy Carter still holds that title, easily. Nixon might hold second place.
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Train
Comment: Jimmy Carter a worst president than Bush?? Smooth, you got to be kidding me my brotha. I agree with you that acting professional should be the standard for all times in your profession. I have a question for everybody here...where does Bush fall under for worst president list?? I say Bush because this debacle know as the Iraq War which he started off of lies and deceit and his mis-handling of Katrina should be part of his "greatest hits" list.
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soulmusic101
Comment: WTF...Hell just got hot as fire again. SMH at Peep's that still love George Bush. Time for a Lobotomy or at least a good shrink.....This is not the Republican Party of a Lincoln.
It is the Republican Party of a McCarthy.
It is the Republican Party of a David Duke.
It IS the Republican Party of the Atlanta National Golf Course.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Train...Nixon used to hold the top spot than we got the biggest embarrassment ever in office...GWB.
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barnone
Comment: doctorsmooth> how n the hell is carter the worst amerikkkan president ever?! what r u basing those credentials on? he is probably 1 of the only true humanitarians as opposed 2 straight up politician 2 ever hold that office.
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barnone
Comment: ....and furthermore no one holds a candle 2 reptilian, blood drinking, can't even tell a lie good enough 2 sound credible george dumb %*$ byatch.
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Southernbelle
Comment: doctorsmooth>Carter started out okay. His problems began when he was kidnapped by aliens (lol). But I still wouldn't give hime the worse President title. IMO, Nixon holds that title with Reagan as a close second. I'll give Bush until the end of his term to judge him. You never know, he may have a change of heart.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Barnone...most Peep's don't wanna believe the October Surprise that allowed Loopy Actor Ronald Reagan to take over.... On Inauguration Day 1981, Iran released the hostages minutes after Ronald Reagan became President. The timing gave rise to claims of a secret deal between the Reagan-Bush campaign and Iran. As a White House official involved in the hostage negotiations, I refused for many years to accept those allegations. But in April 1991 I read an article summarizing new evidence of secret contacts between the Reagan-Bush team and Iran during and after the 1980 campaign.
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barnone
Comment: thank u belle, i 4got about regan's senile can't even stick 2 the da@n script a$$.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Southernbelle...do you believe in Elves and Santa Claus?...LOL...Did you hear what Loyal Conservative Alan Greenspan...Iraq is all about the OIL and Bush/Cheney has caused major harm to America's Economy.
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Train
Comment: Let's look at the last seven years of his so called presidency. Hurricane Katrina, Alberto Gonzales, Enron, Rummy, Harriet Miers, Karl Rove, Condi Rice, The Iraq Debacle, Global Warming and the list just keeps on growing. Now in an act of fairness Bush didn't do all of this shyt by himself. He had plenty of help from the democrats in the house and the senate who fell for his reign which was based on lies and fear. All of that b.s. about if you critizise the war then you're unamerican and people fell for it hook, line and sinker. The american media deserves some blame too for not calling out Bush for the idiot that he is. We had a low voter turnout in 2004 when we had the perfect chance to get this moron out of office but noooooooooo he actually won it that time so we as a country deserve what we got for not turning out to vote for Kerry who wasn't exactly star material but who was helluva lot better then this Bozo that we got in office now.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Forgot to add what Alan Greenspan told the Media...can't believe he would say that but he did. I love when the truth is revealed.
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barnone
Comment: soul> self deception is the greatest deception. and unfortunately my peeps r wallowing n self deception. as i wrote earlier they been hoodwinked, bamboozled, duped. why is it we as a people r still grappling w/ the same age old issues today that we did 50+ years ago? what fool cannot c that ain't progress?! babylon the great has fallen!!!! come out of her, come out her, least ye be partakers of her sins.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Sorry Train but Bush never "Won"...neither in 2000 or 2004...It's called Voter rigging or manipulation. Remember he who counts the Vote determines who wins.
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TRIPLETHREAT
Comment: What Republicans don't like black people how awful but the uncle tom's will still be licking their nasty white azz when they vote but hear in mich. we got black De-homo's that don't care for blacks either exspecially the Mayor theiving azz
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Timolyn
Comment: LOL...DOCTOR you started something now. BAR>>>hit it on the nose...lol
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musbdherbs
Comment: Doc..I'm not sure if that doesnt' apply for the '04 election as well. Remember, Jakes and company were part of Bush's "office of faith counsel" or some'n like dat. He and all the rest of the black pastors resigned last year (I think) because they felt as if their voices weren't being heard. So, yes part of was the moral thing but I do believe the other half was what they could benefit from it. Church should NOT be a political playground. There are already too many religious influences in politics anyway. Also, say what you will about Tavis, but he is not, nor has ever presented himself as a left-wing radical or anything close to it. So, the idea that appearing b4 a hostile environment, as a true reason, doesn't fly w/me. The majority of others don't seem to be as concerned. Tavis hosting a debate does not indicate 'instant hostility'...not at all.
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soulmusic101
Comment: musbdherbs...What Black Person think's that Bush caused Katrina and was on a mission?...Most PPL I know just think that he ignored low - mid income of all Color's and Black's...which the fact's show he did. I wouldn't put it past the Rich Real Estate Developer's to capitalize on a free for all land grab to seize the Poor's Property and throw up Lucrative Condo's tho.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: Carter gets major dummy points for a few things..Top 3?... His presiding over one of the worst recessions ever... 13% inflation... His ineptitude in handling of the Iran hostage crisis, making a two bit 3rd world country hold the US hostage for 444 days and making the US look weak, and sending the message that terrorism works!!... And his giving away of the Panama Canal to Panama for no reason, even though by treaty we had the full rights to it, and the canal was build on the sweat, blood and lost lives of many american workers. The Panamanians signed a new treaty which basically gives China control of a militarily and economically strategic area in our own backyard. Thanks Jimmy. Oh... and he also gets bonus dummy points for a) propping up the Marxist Sandanistas in Niccaragua who were fighting a properly elected govt. and , b) propping up Africa’s worst dictator Robert Mugabe. (among many other offenses too many to list here) Thanks Jimmy.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Bush's problem to me seems more about incompetency and ideology than racism. He's leading a war that the democrats fully supported. So, this is OUR war, not George Bush's war and I wish someone would stop democrats from saying such nonsense. The Democrats have the majority in both houses. What have we accomplished? When is the next investigation? We have this birthright allegiance to the Dems and haven't even begun to think why. I live in a predominately black city, in the most educated region in the country, w/a majority black city council, and a black mayor. Is it republicans fault that DC is one of the leading areas for black on black crime in the nation? I think not. Is it republicans fault that DC spends more money per student than any other BUT has one of the worst school districts? Yeah it's easy to always look the other way but the dem's are not our saviors. Hmmm..I wonder if the mayor of philadelphia black? Crime is rampant there too.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Soon as Regan/Bush get into Office...Surprise the Iranian's release the Hostage's. I guess they were afraid of CowBoy Reagan??? Bush Sr. Former head of the CIA has contact's all over the MidEast. America is good for propping up Leader's and Militant Group's in the MidEast and than tearing them down. Anybody remember when Osama was a friend of America?
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musbdherbs
Comment: Soul..it was in jest...lol
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soulmusic101
Comment: barnone...Slavery was brutal on American Black's Mind's...Some are still bound in Slavery mentally. Looking over at any Black American who loves George W. Bush...I see ya.
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soulmusic101
Comment: MusB...LOL...I was like WTF....
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: MUSBDHERBS.. Bravo. I've been saying that for years. This is our war. Its had bi-partisan support from the jump. The Dumbocrats fully supported the war from the beginning. There were Dumbocrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee etc, who reviewed the intelligence from the CIA, held their own inquiries, etc and came out strongly in support of it at first. Clinton, Kerry, etc. Almost all of them did. Once the war started to become unpopular, they all are insulting our intelligence talking about "we wer misled by the administration", " we were deceived" etc. This is one of the biggest, slickest political con-jobs I have ever seen. And the American sheeple fell for it, hook, line and sinker. If u dont support the war, fine. Many people didnt and never did. But its hypocritical to suport it in the beginning when its looking good, then claim "we were deceived" when it starts going bad.
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soulmusic101
Comment: I was so glad that Dems Russ Feingold, Cynthia McKinney, and Barbara Lee didn't care about Karl Rove saying they weren't Patriot's during the build-up to Bush/Cheney's wicked Invasion. This will always be the NeoCon's War...The ones that took over the Republican Party. If I see one more SUV with an American Flag and we support the Troop's bumper sticker ...I may do something rash....
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FiveMore
Comment: Smokie Bones>Are you you the infamous David Duke the former Grand Dragon of the KKK located Louisiana?I know white people like to see what Blacks are talking about in America but dang.Instead of calliing yourself "SMOKEY BONES",(which is a racist screen name by the way)your name should be "WHITEY BONES." Get bold and call us N I G G E Rs!Cause I know you want to do it.
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soulmusic101
Comment: FiveMore...LOL...SmokeyBones2004 what a joke...I usually ignore his/her noise and now I see why.
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NYCSis
Comment: It would be both courageous and appreciated if Joseph Philips would weigh in.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Doc..that's also part of the reason why I will not support Clinton whether she wins the nomination or not. How insulting to say that "she" (as experienced as she and the media makes her out to be) was misled. Dumb WHORE, you sit on the damn FI committee and you had all the information before you and you FULLY supported the war. Now you say you didnt' know he was going to misuse that authority. O STFU HILLARY. As my grandad would say, "you don't fewl me w/cornbread when I know I smell biscuits cooking." Well she ain't fewling me AT ALL. Now the democrats are talking about "Bush's war." Well fellow democrats have many times have you authorized money for BUSH'S war? Unh hunh...yeah.
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FiveMore
Comment: soulmusic101>Blacks(some) have a soul connection;I do not feel the connection with this person at all.Infact, all I feel is hostility and hate dripping out of this person's post.If he is posting and reading the boards, who are the other anonymous posters?HMMMM..I guess we are some intersting people.
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soulmusic101
Comment: MusB....If HRC get's the nomination I am voting for the Green Party for the 1st time. If another Repub get's in we are surely doomed but I have good reason not to trust HRC. Funny thing is I liked her as the 1st Lady but the more I learned about her, the more she became Repub Lite.
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soulmusic101
Comment: NYCSis...Why do we need JCP to post a comment? We have DoctorSmooth and SmokeyBone's holding it down for him...LOL...You might as well invite Allan Keyes to share his pearls of wisdom___:0
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FiveMore
Comment: There is no difference between either party!They are masquerading as liberal leaning champions for the disenfranchised masses of America.It's a HOAX! You know what, I voted in the 2000 and 2004 elections and the democrats had me fooled like a mug.Where does Obama stand?Who are his handlers? Will Hil CHOOSE him as the VP?QUESTIONS, Questions!
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McNasty
Comment: Musb, your last post - that's the very reason I don't understand black women turning out in support of hillary. I watched one of her early press conferences and when she was called on it and said she didn't know I was floored. Having said that she should have then apologized most humbly and sincerely - she did not. Her actions said chew on it cause it cannot be changed. My whole point for backing Obama is because even without the experience folks think he needs - he knew enough to say hell no to this ill fated war! Experience be damned I want someone that will come close to doing the right thing not the political thing!
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Timolyn
Comment: Y'all help me. But correct me if I'm wrong. But didn't Jesse Jackson get the hostages freed. Not Reagan.
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Timolyn
Comment: SOUL>>>>I feel you re: Hiliary. When she announced she was running for senate I said than she would run for president in 2008. She swore up, down and all around she was not going to run for pres and here she is. She lied than and that was the beginning. Now, for those who thinks "if" Hillary gets in office Bill will be running things well NEWS FLASH....it is not going to happen. Bill will not be running a dayuum thang. I stole a saying a few months ago from either SOUL or OSHUN. And it goes.....HEAL THE BUSH TRAUMA....VOTE OBAMA. I have this posted on my desk for all the white people who comes meddling at my desk. I work with nothing, but mostly republicans (who are all white) and %*$-kisser black democrats. I look out for me because the blacks here at the company do not stand together and will stab you in a heartbeat and after all that the "white" man still lets them know their place. Dayuum, Dayuum Dayuum Dayuum.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: >>TIMOLYN… No, Jesse Jackson, Didn’t free the hostages. Iran freed them right as Reagan was taking office. After jerking Carter around for 444 days, they knew Reagan and his new Republican administration wasn’t having it. So they made nice and released the hostages before Reagan had a chance to drop a bomb down their chimney. Of course, some Dumbocrats, embarrassed for Carter and his incompetence, have long claimed there was some “secret deal” between Iran and the Republicans. But that silly theory is as credible as the legends of Bigfoot, UFO’s, and OJ looking for the "real killers” on golf courses all across America. Holla .
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musbdherbs
Comment: Soul..I'll be voting right along w/you. Green Party it will be. She was never on my radar as 1st lady but like you, the more I found out about her, the less I like her politics. JCP never *coughs* responds to anything. But, it would be nice to see the mystery lurker (he who only posts on JCP boards) engage. In all fairness Soul..doc has been saying he's an independie as long as I can remember. 'Nas...no one questions Hillary. I have never seen a media so afraid to even "question" a candidate. This is just completely unheard of. If black folk, as it seems likely, split their vote 'tween Hill and Obama..well...uhm...well..we'll get exactly what we asked for.
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: Jackson helped free a U.S. pilot shot down over Syria. That was January of '84.
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Timolyn
Comment: MUS>>>>I hear ya and that's what I'm afraid of a "split" vote between the two. Thanks MORRIS.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: All you Green Party fans, may I remind you of one thing. A vote for the Green Party is a vote for the Republicans. How? Lets break it down: In 2000 Ralph Nader got 97000 votes in Florida. When the final count was done, Bush won Florida by less than 1000 votes. People can whine all they want about "stolen elections", etc, but we know that if Nader wasnt there to get those Green party votes, most of those 97,000 votes would have gone Democrat, and we'd probably be talking (complaining?) about President Al Gore right now. So when people say they want to vote for the Green Party as a "protest vote", it just makes me smile. Y'all go right ahead. Just dont get mad when you end up with President Rudy Giuliani, and accuse him of "stealing the elections" all over again.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Doc...So what...In America you don't have to vote for Dem or Repub if you don't want to. I like Ralph Nader better than weak Kerry anyway. Wait a minute, who are you voting for?
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musbdherbs
Comment: Doc..I'm well aware of that. If Rudy ends up being president cuz I voted for the Green Party candidate, then so be it. If Hillary Clinton is the democratic nominee, the dems will NOT have my vote in '08, that's a promise. As the president said: Fool me once, shame on......*long pause*...shame on you...It fool me...well we can't be fooled again!
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: SOULMUSIC... First of all, calm down. Dont get your panties all tied up in a bunch. Nobody's telling you who to vote for. My point is that some of the same people who will vote for the Green Party just because theyre mad at the Democrats, and they dont even know what the socialistic Green Party stands for. But when they lose elections they'll be quick to claim the elections were stolen, being the sore losers that they are.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: MUSB... thanks for the explanation. Made it very clear. Looks like this conservative will be rooting for Hilally Clinton to be the Democrats's nominee then.
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soulmusic101
Comment: LOL...I see you are voting Repub again this year.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Doc why don't you explain to us poor, naive Negroes what the Green Party stands for this year...HaHa...we sho don't know how to read and write and we depend on the house Negrow to fill us in...LOL
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: People who don't have a strong rebuttal with facts often have to resort to sarcasm.
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musbdherbs
Comment: lol...well I can't join you on that one. For the record, I'm not 'mad' at the Democrats. This election cycle has just changed the way I view politics. Continuing to support a party because they are the best of two evils is no longer on the table for me. I'm thinking down the line...not just right now. If I were thinking of the "now" I would vote Republican because as of right now, I make more money and am more successful under THIS republican president. All of this "for the greater good" got us John Kerry as a candidate. Oh how "right" we were for doing that! I'm looking at a new direction for Dems. The '06-winning moderates shows much promise. But, a Clinton presidency will take us back to a place we don't need to go. uhmmm...is that a song or some'n *humming* take us to a place....uhm....ok maybe not..lol
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Name:
DoctorSmooth
Comment: Musbdherbs... Hmmm. Is it me, or have your politics shifted a little to the right (or center?) since the 2004 election season?
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Nope...it's not you...u best believe they have.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Let me correct that. They haven't switched much. It's just that I've become a bit more politically aware than I have been in the past. As opposed to repeating what I've heard people say for years, I've done my own research. It's an eye-opener for sure and a hard pill to swallow. Still won't vote a republican president though. That ain't changed..lol
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: Wow. Its like parting of the red sea, a modern day miracle (almost). I seem to remember you used to be pretty hardcore over on the left side. When I saw you agreeing with me a few times lately, it actually took me aback a little. I was like "Is this the same musbdherbs? Nah. Cant be." But it turns out, that it really is the same guy. I'm still shaking my head on that one. (grin)
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soulmusic101
Comment: MusB..Doc wants everyone to fall in love with the George W. Bush Party...don't let him fool you by claiming to be a Repub...He was for the Iraq Invasion in the past but now he keeps quiey now that American's are waking up.
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soulmusic101
Comment: My bad, working while I am typing. Doc wants you to believe that he is an Independent. He was pro-War in the past and now he keeps quiet about it.
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Name:
eternallife
Comment: After reading these post...I CLEARLY UNDERSTAND WHY Harriet Tubman carried a gun....kneegrows get scared so easily...
And just so we clear: BUSH IS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY!~ If u can't see that NOW...dam.n....ain't no hope for ya.
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