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barnone
Comment: "And i will put enmity between thee (referring to man) and the woman...."
when we look @ the state of black male/female relationships we have 2 overstand that it is a condition that is prophetic and the only way it can be remedied is through spiritual, not religious, healing. we r continuously at odds w/ 1 another, even here on the message board. sisters blaming brothers, brothers laying the blame on sisters but where and when does it end. who will take the high road and say come let us reason together. come let us build a bridge back 2 1 another. woman needs man and man needs man so we both r equally responsible 4 closing the gulf. lastly 2 all the brothers ask yourselves and meditate on this 1 thought....what other ethnic group of men, be they hispanic, asian, arab, jewish, caucasian, etc. openly shows such wanton disrespect of their women as many black men do? larry byrd, ginobali, troy aikmen, justin timberlake, brad pitt, ricky martin, jet li, etc. what non-black, male iconic figure(s) can we point 2 and say he has made any of the derogatory statements about his women which have been repeatedly made by black male iconic figures as it relates 2 black women. this is not 2 start a debate. i'm merely asking brothers 2 reflect and meditate on this. dig deep within your psyche and ask yourselves why, what has caused this "enmity". What is the root?
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TGen
Comment: Great post barnone. I gotta say though if your Bible quote is to be interpreted as you state, nowhere does it distinguish race in there...so that would mean it pertains to relations between men and women, period not just "Black male/female" relationships. I do agree though that Isaiah Thomas' ignorant azz statements likely reflect a segment of similarly lost Black men (and some women)...but maybe it's my naivete but I gotta believe Thomas reflects a small minority not the majority. (At least that's my hope.)
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Debonair
Comment: Dammit, i keep thinking it's Isiah Washington.
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Honeedipp
Comment: Okay Isaiah,
I am starting to think your mama should have named you Judas. So with your type of thinking I guess its okay for us to assume your mother is a Bit--and so is your daughter...I must say you definitely lose stripes on this one....
Oh yeah....4th
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khufu
Comment: profound barnone profound
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khufu
Comment: not to start an argument but..TGEN..barnone chose to talk specifically about Black men and women....why is it necessary to change that?
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khufu
Comment: TGEN respectfulyy BANONE decided to focus on Black men and women...why was it necessary to question that?
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Name:
cookyd
Comment: Just remember this people, it takes a b*&#@ to know a b*&%$.!!!!
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TGen
Comment: Khufu: Why? I chose to point it out 1) because the link between the quote and the argument was weak in that one was much broader than the other and 2) because sometimes I can be anal, lol Sorry...
But anywho, I just read an interesting article that details this lawsuit. Very interesting and telling...if the Knicks office has these kind of jerks running things (Thomas and Marbury), NO WONDER they've been losers ever since getting them both. Hmmm. lol The article: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/20 07/09/13/2007-09-13_sleaze_play_in_stephon_marburys_ba ck_sea.html
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gingerg
Comment: I love the way Isaiah's disrespectful behavior has come back to haunt him. Suddenly, it isn't funny and won't be disregarded because a sister is making the allegations. Pay up!
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oshun
Comment: >>barnone: I for one thank you for your heartfelt post, despite others' attempts to divert attention away from the serious challenge you have posed to all of us.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Barnone...that's a fair question. But, we should also ponder what other group of people, be they hispanic, jewish caucasian etc. are as psychologically traumatized as blacks? It's ok to compare how we live our lives to others. But, can you point to any group of people who are as critical, violent, and disrespectful to each other as blacks? That would be both women and men.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Bar..oh yeah to answer your question, choosing to refer to other men in that way is both conscious and subconscious
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RegalOne
Comment: >>Thanks barnone. Sometimes I feel alone as a black woman - like there's nobody out there who really cares about us.
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khufu
Comment: I do understand the anality factor
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BigSexy
Comment: Thanks Barnone!
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HarrisThomas
Comment: in the scheme of humane relations, AAs don't have to do what we do to each other and we don't need deep analysis about being psychologically traumatized . . . think about it this way: on this board some of this group of commenters could suggest that we stop engaging in all negative, disrespecting behaviors towards each other - there will be commenters who will say that no one can tell them that they have to be positive and respectful . . . we are our biggest enemy and when we cease firing on ourselves, a lot of positive will flow from our interactions with each other including improvement in female/male relationships
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HarrisThomas
Comment: btw, saying AAs can call each other nasty names but it's really bad if YTs call us those same names is DUM[no b)
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Name:
Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: >RegalOne- So do I girl. So do I....
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PastorMarc
Comment: Just catching this (obviously), but wow. This is way off base to begin with, but it works together for good. The first BARNONE post misplaced the 'enmity' between man and woman. It's between Satan and man(kind). More specifically, the spiritual warfare of believers. Men and women, brothers and sisters if you will, are fighting because their common enemy, the Father of Lies, has pitted them against each other.
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musbdherbs
Comment: HT...you only understand human(e) relations by understanding (analyzing) how the "relations" evolved. We didn't get to where we are re: how we relate to each other simply by..well..just killing. We don't have a color complex in our community simply because..it exists.
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SewRite
Comment: khufu>It was necessary for barnone to make that distinction because they were quoting the Word of God, and God's Word is not just speaking to Black people.
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TGen
Comment: Okay, I just did my homework (what I should have done earlier, lol) and I read the Biblical passage mentioned. Thanks PastorMarc for more clarity. I think it's worth re-qutoing the passage with the sentence that proceeds it:
"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
So if I use context clues (you know what we learned in grade school?), I would have to believe "thee" refers to the SERPENT. Sooo all that talk about this being "prophetic" and all seems um a little off-base.
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SewRite
Comment: gingerg>My point exactly. See, Isiah this is why you're in the situation that you're in. But, maybe it's just as well. You hanging your disrespectful self with your own rope!!!
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SewRite
Comment: TGen>I'm a Christian and without getting into a deep Bible discussion that time doesn't permit. Let me quickly break this down for you. What these passages are addressing is that a woman(Mary)will give birth to a seed. That seed is Jesus Christ. The Savior and Redeemer for mankind. Satan bruised him during his suffering and crucifixation on earth, but Christ will have the VICTORY over satan(bruise him) when he returns, which is the 2nd coming. These passages are speaking of something that has yet to happen. So this definitely is prophetic.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: BARNONE>>> Sorry to crash the party here, but in that scripture you mentioned (Gen 3:15) God was referring to the serpent here, not to man. Take a good look at it in context, and its plain to see. If you want to make an argument that there's been hostility or "enmity" between men and women from way back, fine... but that verse of scripture is not referring to anything like that at all. The verse refers to the Christ that was to come and how he would ultimately defeat the serpent (devil) and those who follow his path (his seed).
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PastorMarc
Comment: SewRite--In no way do I wish to 'correct' you, but this point is too important to be left in confusion. Christ has already had, and has right now, the Victory over satan... and so do you!! "It is finished!" "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth My word, and believeth on Him that sent Me, HATH everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but IS passed from death unto life" -Jn 5:24 Live in the Victory.
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TGen
Comment: SewRite, sorry I consider myself a "Christian" also and not only that one who can actually READ (imagine that) and I don't need you to "break anything down for me" as I am PERFECTLY capable of "breaking things down" for myself. I didn't say I don't beleive in prophesy. I said the quote as given by Barnone did not lend itself to something "prophetic" in men and women not getting along, namely becaue the scripture he/she quotes was not referring to men agains women. I hope this "breaks it down for you."
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SewRite
Comment: PastorMarc>I know I have the Victory, but I was sharing about how Christ will ultimately deal with satan as it says in scripture. This DOESN'T NEGATE that he isn't Victorious now. But, thanks for sharing that, my brother.
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SewRite
Comment: TGen>I apologize for the misunderstanding. I thought you were saying that those scriptures in context weren't prophetic. And in regards to your statement "you don't need me to break anything down." Sometimes we all need someone to break something down. TGen, you don't know everything and neither do I. God is THE ONLY ONE who is all-knowing. And, God expects all believers to be OPEN to receiving from others, sometimes.
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barnone
Comment: much thanks 2 all of those who found it n their conscious 2 ingest what i wrote and just reflect on it. to the PASTOR> it would b futile 4 me 2 engage n any dialogue w/ u or any other staunch christian 4 i overstand what religion has done 2 our people and how it has been misused 2 misguide and deceive our people, but that's prophetic as well. it is what it is. TGen> just 2 touch lightly on what u wrote. contrary 2 what we've been taught, the bible is not a "religious" book. it actually consists of 3 sections, history, prophecy and the holy writings. if u don't believe anything else, please KNOW this, the bible references a very specific group of people, the house of Israel and many of Black Americans, descendants of kidnapped African slaves are of the house of Israel. but please don't take my or anyone else's word 4 it. do your own research. when i quote scripture, i do so from a historical context, not religious.
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Name:
barnone
Comment: TGen> also a good starting point, if u r truly seeking TRUTH, would b the Missing Books of the Bible and the Dead Sea Scrolls.
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PastorMarc
Comment: BARNONE>Humility is the perfect reflection of inner strength...something to truly ingest. It would be best to get back to UNDERstanding...to know who's UNDER your STANDING. Jesus, our Foundation. If there's any relevant discussion of Black and Christianity, it's the perpetual "Everybody's misusing / misguiding / deceiving" excuse for not knowing the Word for your Black self.
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barnone
Comment: "if there's any relevant discussion of Black and Christianity..." bruh, pls. go back and re-read my posts. i was quite specific. i'm not talking about religion or christianity, 4 both r of mankind. b-4 there was a christian, a hindu, a muslim, a jew, there were men and women of GOD. so as far as i'm concerned there is NO relevant discussion 2 b had as it relates 2 our people and christianity, unless of course u r interested n discussing how it has been used 2 mentally enslave and deceive black folk worldwide. but being a pastor i'm certain this is not a discussion u r the least bit interested n entertaining. when i write, Messiah, Genesis, Satan, Children of Israel... through your conditioning your mind automatically reverts 2 a preconceived notion.
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PastorMarc
Comment: Like I said, humility. "B-4 there was a Christian" is a total misUNDERstanding of the fact that He, Christ, WAS, before the foundation of the world (John 8:58)! The tragic mental conformity that has taken place is the "Christianity is a White man's religion" perversion of God's Word in the minds of (some) Black people. "used 2 mentally enslave"...bruh pls. Please read John 8:31-36 and Ephesians 2:11-22.
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barnone
Comment: i said i wasn't going 2 go there w/ u bruh, but i feel it is my duty 2 at least provide the knowledge. what u do with it is entirely on u. 1st, if we r going 2 keep referring 2 Jesus then let us at least give the man the respect of calling him by his true name, Yeshua Ben Yosef (Yeshua son of Joseph). his name was/is not Jesus Christ and even if u insist upon using the Roman-Greco name do so properly which would be Jesus the Christ, 4 Christ was a title. and if u'd do just a little digging u would discover that yes, christianity is a yt man's religion. trace it's roots. it is rooted in paganism. who practiced paganism? and Pastor, i'm not attacking u. i'm trying ever so hard 2 get u 2 use that brain God blessed u with. and another thought 4 u 2 ponder on. r u aware that at the time of Yeshua's death, there was no John or Ephesians? so when he was teaching the word of God, what was he referencing? prior 2 roman-greco rule the bible on consisted of what is commonly referred 2 today as the "old testatment".
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PastorMarc
Comment: This is exactly why the Apostle Paul referred to preaching as "foolishness". When I survey the wonderous Cross of The Christ, thank you, where the Dearest and Best has died, all I thought gain (my intellect and UNDERstanding) I count loss, and pour contempt on all my PRIDE. BARNONE, here's the simple truth: I John 1--"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and show unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) that which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ." The truth is there was a "John" or "Ephesians" (the Apostle Paul wrote to the church from an Ephesus jail). They were 'living epistles' who had experience The Christ first hand. No, their "declaration" wasn't penned at the time of Yeshua's death. They 'told their story' after He ascended back to the Father "that you, BARNONE, could have the same fellowship with Him".
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barnone
Comment: brother pastor...i do hate 2 b the bearer of bad news but paul was a judas, a traitor. he sold his soul 2 the romans so that he may have life, and i ain't talking about life everlasting either, carnal life. i could have the same fellowship with whom? r u referring 2 fellowship with God or Yeshua, cuz i commune daily with the Creator.
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PastorMarc
Comment: "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life"--Jesus. You can cloak yourself within all that 'enlightenment' psycho-babble, call Him Yeshua and Creator and feel real good about yourself, and bust hell wide open. That's the bad news. The Good News is Jesus: in the Bible, in Creation, in His people. You just don't realize how 're-hashed' this line is that you've bought into. The Christ told the Pharisees about how they searched the (Old Testament) scriptures because they thought they had life in them. Sound familiar. But check this out, He let them in on the Truth that the scriptures they were searching ALL testify of Him! I'm letting this go, but believe what you want about the Apostles, the authenticity of Scripture (New Testament) and whatever else you want to believe, Black man. But it ain't really about what you believe. It's about the Truth; which is true even if nobody believes it. And a lie is a lie even if everybody believes it. He is Truth. He is Life. He is The Way. Endnote: If you study the origin of the word 'culture', Black man, you'll find that it's etemological roots parallel the word 'war'. Which is just to say that Culture, Black man, will kill you. Choose LIFE.
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Name:
barnone
Comment: where did the reference 2 culture come n? and i have chosen life, everlasting life, from thought 2 reality. and i call him Yeshua cuz that was the man's name. if i called u sam would u answer 2 it? i would think not cuz that ain't your name. lies kill u. deception kills u. walking contrary 2 truth kills u. and it's interesting that when i present u with FACTS, which can b verified u come back at me with "enlightenment psycho-babble". but then again, i wouldn't expect anything less from someone who has been conditioned. it is what it is. endnote 4 u: ye worship and ye know not what. seek thee the truth and it shall make u free.
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PastorMarc
Comment: Interesting that you would start and end this post by misquoting Scripture, from the New Testament I might add. "It" never made anybody nor anything "free". What you're (mis)quoting (again) is New Testament Scripture found in the Book of John, Chapter 8, verse 32, which is only in context to verse 31, Jesus speaking. Oh, "ye worship and ye know not what" would be Jesus, too. New Testament, again speaking of Himself. You really do like that YT, Bible, Christianity stuff, don't you?
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Name:
barnone
Comment: no but u apparently do...hook line and sinker. so on that note i will allow u 2 wallow n it. i don't cast my pearls 2 swine. how u like that 4 scripture?
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