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soulmusic101
Comment: Well lookie here, Brother's and Sister's (and PPL of other Color's) came together and protested peacefully. MLK and X would be proud of that moment.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Much Prop's and Respect to Michael Baisden for stepping to the front and making this Issue aware for all to see.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Hey MusB, this quote is for you, you got your wish. Curious to see how the Conservatives feel about that historic day......Sharpton said he will join Reps. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas, and William Jefferson, D-La., to press the House Judiciary Committee next week to summon the district attorney to explain his actions before Congress. Also, a march in Washington is being organized for November.
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soulmusic101
Comment: See Maxine Waters, Jessie Jackson Jr., and Shelia Jackson are more aware than you think. Now what does your new-found Hero's Bill O'Lielly and Newt Gingrich feel about this? Just jokin (kind of, you scare me by thinking that Bill O'Lielly has compassion for PPL of Color), I hope you have not gone all the way to the "dark" side...lol
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FiveMore
Comment: **Walking in blasting PES'It take s A nation of Millions to hold us backI awoke with tears of joy streaming down my face this early morning, because the world watched as blacks(my people)/and other races demonstrated against inequality, injustice and the blatant persistant Deep Southern-style racism.United States of America's motto states:The Land of the Free, Home of the Brave!"I live in Shreveport, which is about 178? miles away from the rally, the streets were quiet and noone was out side.The new South recievd a wake up call yesterday that was 50 years too late. A much needed wake-up call! Praise The Lord for the positive rally.Mychal Bell will be freed!!!Peace!
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Debonair
Comment: Peace to everyone who was in attendence. The townspeople should be ashamed of themselves. And America needs to know that our people aren't so compliant and afraid after all. Yesterday and the times i've attended the Million Man March ('95 and '05) have been my proudest historical/political moments. Black people at their finest.
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leeneepoo
Comment: Well said Debonair...we are the finest!
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khufu
Comment: right on. Khufu is in Black heaven...but, what next Black People? I hope the thousands of people who attended spent any money as they were traveling ONLY WITH BLACK BUSINESSES.
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khufu
Comment: Soul: ONe difference though.....Mwalimu King, if attacked, would have said, "Dont respond.."....Baba Malcolm would have said, "Defend yourself!"..just for the record
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RealSmiles
Comment: Not only did the Jena 6 rally drew thousands, it also prompted a younger generation to take action across the country. I was elated when several high schools and colleges took a moment to support the demostration. One young lady stated in a local news report that she and others wanted the world to know that young people are not as apathetic and disconnected as a lot of people might think they are and this situation could have easily happened to them. Her statement made the demonstration worth the effort.
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TGen
Comment: It's so uplifting to be in the midst of one of those "moments." I can only imagine what it was like back in the day. I didn't go to Jena, but I and others had our black on and it just made me tingle inside to feel the unity. I love it! There is no question that this Jena case was one of inequity and racism, there's no justification for the punishment being harsher than their White counterparts, none at all. But that said, I just gotta go here cuz I've heard few others even mention this. We MUST learn and teach others, ESPECIALLY Black men to stop acting a damn fool. Period. We have to learn ways to fight back without FIGHTING back (if you catch my dream). Stop giving the "enemy" AMMUNITION against you. Rise above them. Beat them, not at their own game, but YOUR own game. "Overcome evil with good" (a good plan, lol) despite their ignorance. Else, we'll always be fighting for "less punishment." I'd rather be fighting for no punishment. I'd rather be fighting for the completely innocent, not just the "less guilty" if you catch my meaning. But that's just me digressing...
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khufu
Comment: Amen and props to TGEN
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OPALEZE
Comment: I am so happy the Jena-6 Rally turned out as peaceful as it did. America needs to WAKE UP, because black people are getting really tired of this racial drama. I can only pray that the young people of this generation GET IT! Especially those that don't think the right to vote is relevant. We already know that the "good ole boy" standards still prevail - and not just in the south. I went to school up north, but I have southern roots, and black history wasn't taught in school - but I had the thirst for the knowledge of my history. Young people it is all laid out there for you and we are living it - again WAKE UP!!
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FreeMswhite
Comment: I was very impressed. I think that we should push to have a law passed that protects people from racial discrimination from a prosecutorial stand point. i.e. if you abuse your power as it relates to racism, you go to jail. Because it affects such a large group of people rehabilitation should be provided. 5 years max, also racial discrimination on a civil level with everyday people should get the same 5 years. The affects of racism touches every one's life and know one is better then the next, this is the reason we are so divided, racially and socially. Some people think, that they are above the law. It's time for us to start lobbying to get laws passed that protects us from taking off our jobs to attend a really that should never have happened. Those are children, and children fight and just because they are white does not mean that they are better and should be given passes. My 2 cents.,.. start locking they azzes up and they will stop....and the P.S. the laws should be even more strict for public officials and law makers who abuse the law and who discriminate and whom do not provide equal prosecutorial treatment. Renegades start wars people,. if you white take this in... cause If you come to me with that shhh,. I will bury you, and go to jail for a real reason.
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Prubin40
Comment: I live 60 miles north of Jena and know one thing. White folks are mad as he=ll that all those black folks went to Jena.LOL You see most of the Parishes up here in Northeast Louisiana are the same when it comes to the law. All the judges are white and most of the cops are white. What happens is that when white kids do something they call the parent and take them home. When a black kids break the law they go to jail and hope that can get a lawyer who isn't buddy with the shreiff or D.A. White folks are missing the point. The D.A. over stepped his boundry as to what he should have done. They should be punished but not thrown under the jail.
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TGen
Comment: FreeMsWhite, that "punishing the public officials" thing is a good idea. I know the first person I want charged is Thurbert Baker, GA attorney general who's getting his jollies off by keeping a young Black man in jail (Genarlow Wilson) even AFTER a judge threw out the damn case. Just wow.
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Prubin40
Comment: TGen> I tried to explain your point of not acting a fool in school to one of my co=worker and she didn't get. You know damn well that black males are always in troble in school. We had some fools fighting off campus and bring that mess to school. The school had to be shut down and you know that YT's were afraid that their kids would get hurt when it was just Black on Black volience once again.
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soulmusic101
Comment: khufu...Are you speaking of the X before he went to Mecca or after he came back and rethought his views?
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khufu
Comment: both....after he came back, he never said stop defending yourself.....
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NYCsoul
Comment: I saw this on the news last night....Very impressed by the way this put together as well as the young people coming out to speak out against injustice. Hopefully, this will be the start of something bigger.....
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SistaBigBone69
Comment: TGEN and FREE....I'm with ya. I was listening to TJMS this morning and Sybil was talking about how other blacks who lives in Jena stating that this has been going on forever. Every black in Jena has a story. On one hand I'm glad that I did not live back in "those" days, but on the other hand is today's time any different. TGEN...it's a dayuum shame Wilson is still in jail. Karma is a bytch. They all will get their's be it through health whatever. A lot of times when Karma hits alot of people, they do not equate it to the time they did wrong to someone or something. They pretty much chalk it up to bad timing. I feel when these boys Wilson, Bell etc get out of jail and as long as they continue to have God in their lives I truly feel they will have a fruitful life.
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...Yo, this was a great happening...Black folks comming together for a common cause...*Sigh* but a few things did bother me...Yo, why was the brotha selling shirts for 20 bucks a pop?...and what was wrong with Frankie Beverly's voice?...He sounded like he needed some water...Imma a fan of Frankie's but dayum he sounded bad...And WTF was up with the cat taking pictures of folks with the large canvas picture of the tree as the back drop for 5 bucks...The mom and pop selling gumbo was cool so was the old man selling rib sammitches on white bread...I know folks tryna make some money...The White cat selling minature trees with nooses hanging from them deserved that beat-down...That sh1t wasn't a souvenir I don't care what he said...Get the fucc outta here...I thought the cat taking pre-orders for the bootleg DV of the event was smart...All-n-all it was a great event and I hope it does signal a new sense of activism in Black folks....
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khufu
Comment: SOUL and apparently the young folk in Jenna belief in the notion of protecting themselves, dont they? And isnt defense of oneself an American principle?
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FiveMore
Comment: Who operates this website?Why was a noose pictured in the photo?Mr. Bailey is this site a front for whom?Wow, I must have blinked or something weird must have occured.Why show the noose?Is anyone else bothered by the picture of the noose?Am I over reacting?
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SistaBigBone69
Comment: BOOT.....r u serious. I was with ya till the minature trees.....lol
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khufu
Comment: LOL and why do Black folks always mention, "Im glad it was peaceful.." as if there is a history of Black folks protesting violently? any time there was violence during a Black march or protest it was white folks kicking Black folks azzes...
see that "peaceful" misnomer reveals some deeply subconscious sheet some need to get over.....
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detroitgee
Comment: I was able to make it to Jena. I watched on CNN. I was on an emotional high. Heard there would be a similar rally at the Federal Building here in downtown Detroit. I rushed down there to be in the midst.--until I heard the person leading the march spitting venim cursing etc. He then said don't buy items on the market made in Louisiana! Is that what this was about? That ruined the momentum of the crowd - folks started backing away. I only stayed 10 mins.
Damn!
If there is a march in November - I will be there. I attended the second march on Washington in the 80's
I hope things will have some kind of order today.
We need to wrap a collective arm around the Blacks that remain in the area. Yt folks can be sneaky and cruel.
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detroitgee
Comment: post should have read I wasn't able to make it to Jena
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SistaBigBone69
Comment: KHUFU....u know those white folks was nervous with all "those" black folks. that's why the closed shop. Jena never seen that many black folks in one time. Do you think the whites realize it's more black than the ones in Jena......LOL
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Thickness
Comment: I am so proud of my people. My question is where is BET? They should have done more extensive coverage. Why do I have to turn on CNN I should have been watching this on BET! BLACK entertainment Television. The entertainment is not capitalized as there is very little entertaining going on there anyway.
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Thickness
Comment: Oh yeah and were you at Oprah? Who talks about how pivotal the civil rights era was in her success. WHERE YOU AT OPRAH? - interviewing Kelly Clarkson or some ish like that!
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TGen
Comment: Thickness, have you not heard? We're working on taking the "Black" name away from that channel, lol. For them to claim to represent Blacks is fals advertising, so we're suing them for defamation. Be on the lookout.
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SpecialK
Comment: I was very proud of "OUR" people yesterday. I was watching the news and all the white people they interviewed kept saying that the rally was giving Jena, LA a bad name and it wasn't racially motivated. WTF???? I could have jumped through the tv and choked her. What rock has she been living under? We should know after 11:00 this morning if Mr. Bell is set free. It's too bad you had to have one ignant-azz there who was trying to defeat the whole purpose of coming but the message was sent loud and clear. I attended the Million Man March and still get chills just thinking about how all these brothas & sistas came together in peace. Love is the key!!
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TGen
Comment: ^^^ I was just joking (unfortunately). But I'm keepin my fingers crossed it will soon come to pass, lol
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khufu
Comment: BIGBONe...LOL they probably didnt think so...they knows now.....LOL...
the little 12 year old kept telling them for years, "Yall keep messin' wit me and my cousins gon come kick ya azzes...."
They believe him now!
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: Yo did anybody notice Bishop Weeks giving one of the hecklers a beatdown in front of city hall?...Yeah, it was a female heckler...Doc Cosby was there too...bashing some of the college students..."Ya'll need to be in school studying instead of down here marching and sh1t...Bell, Bell and the rest of those boys shoulda been in study hall and they wouldn't be in this mess...Now see, this is what happens when ya don't study"....
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thelildiva4u
Comment: I was also happy yesterday. I wore my blk and went down to the Capitol yesterday. It felt good seeing the folks in the DC area who wore blk. It was like an unspoken message and a feeling of pride that we were silently all united.
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cdub
Comment: Great event yesterday!!! We showed people all over of the world that BLACK Americans are still alive and will be accounted for in this NEW AMERIKKKA. The special on CNN was fantastic. Thickness (and others) do not fret on who was not there but who was! MB has found a new follower. One Nation One Station!!!
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Renetta
Comment: Awfully odd that there hasn't been a count of the number of people who showed up. Estimates I heard 40K-60K. It reminds me of how they tried to underestimate how many black men showed up for the Million Man March. They don't want us to know the numbers because they don't want us to know JUST HOW MUCH POWER WE HAVE. No major newspapers in Chicago made it front page news. We still go on. It's ok. We know and those of us who couldn't make it and were conscious wore black. BLACK POWER!
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dcdouglass01
Comment: This was pretty astounding, all the moreso because many of the marchers were adult teens and early twenty-somethings. Very nice to see that they are aware that we're not there yet, and for them to be able to see the intense light a march can shed on unequal treatment under the law. But the marching will only be one part of the recipe for the civil rights movement in the 21st Century. Effective action on the political, economic, and corporate fronts is still needed and must continue. Cultural enlightenment/appreciation is critical as well. And yes Fivemore, I blinked twice when I saw the noose too. A little macabre, and totally unreflective of the march.
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khufu
Comment: lol BOOT i was there you didnt see me man? I was the one saying, "You Black, you BLack...you aint Black....." LOL
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khufu
Comment: what next? what next my people.......?
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Southernbelle
Comment: khufu>I'm glad it was peaceful not because of my lack of confidence in my people doing the right thing, because I'm proud of each and every one of them that demostrated in some form or fashion. I glad the KKK didn't decide to show their ugly faces and make matters worse. This thing is plasted all over the national and international news. I just knew that they would use this moment to reignite their hatred. I am so upset that I couldn't make the march but the solidarity and goodwill of my people brought tears to my eyes.
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gingerg
Comment: We are powerful when we unite on a common goal. Yesterday was beautiful and I was glad to see the black media marshalling their resources for the good. We must never forget the injustices of the past or stop fighting the current ones.
I do have some misgivings about the November Washington march. Let's see what we can do about strategic action in the wake of this success before calling for another march so soon. If the numbers are not good then, this whole thing could fizzle.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Soul...you can't let it go hunh?..lol If you expect me to be excited that out of the 40+ members of the CBC, only 4 (none of whom hold any leadership position in the party) have come out publicly then you are sadly mistaken. Is it unusual for Maxine and Sheila to be speaking out against something? What about the democratic party? Let's not keep "who's doing what" going. The justice system didn't just start treating blacks unequally under this republican administration. FIVEMORE>>I thought the same thing about the noose but remember this IS EUR. KHUFU! I'm w/u, you would think that everytime black people gather en masse, that there is always some trouble. Do we really think that about ourselves?
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iclaudius
Comment: B00TANE>You are a fool. LMBAO!!!!
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thelildiva4u
Comment: But, I did see a big problem in the media…everyone asks what’s next. Well, we need to start holding them accountable as well. First, I want to give a shot out to CNN anchor Soledad O’Brien. She held down on 360. Not only did she have on her all blk, not only did you clearly see and feel her frustration, but she put the Federal DA (blk guy) on the spot and asked his personal opinion, as to whether he felt the DA overreached his powers and the punishment fit the crime. His answer “I am going to have to dance around the question”. Secondly, a lot of the news account didn’t provide a timeline. It was just some white kids hung a noose and a mob of blk kids beat one white kid up. I only heard that CNN during the situation room provided a timeline. Further more, USA toady had in its headlines yesterday “alleged racism”. Clearly the media who we all know what the lil man behind the curtain looks like held their own counter protest. It was silent but just as effective. I would venture to say that about 85% of the major news organizations did not provide an accurate account of the events that the homeboy getting his @ss whooped.
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thelildiva4u
Comment: Our next step should be the netwk and their sponsors. We need to ask them why the stories left out pertained facts. We need to flood producer phones as well as the e-mail bxs. Just my to cents
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PBF_19
Comment: Thickness...I was thinking that too, BET nor TVOne covered Jena live.
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bigfriend
Comment: I was talking about his at work yesterday. i wish I could have been there to show support. It should not matter how much money you have, the color of your skin, nothing. All laws should bee applied the same to all! I agree that some punishment is in order, they did beat up the guy, and I am glad it was lessend to battery for most of them. Put them on short probation and move forward. The DA should be put out of office!
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DCGG
Comment: Where was Okrah and Bill Cosby?? Personally I'm sooo not impressed with the whole Rally...if blacks folks came together like this politically and financially things like Jena 6 could be avoided...once all is done black folks will return home and continue what we do best...killing one another...
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Southernbelle
Comment: SpecialK>Many in the town don't believe it's racially motivated because they don't know the difference. They're accustomed to living in an environment where there is a "white" only tree. This is the 21st century and it took a few high schoolers to bring attention to something that has perpetuated for years. That was one big oak tree and I'm willing to bet my last cyber buck that it has always been a white only tree. IMO the elders (black and white)in the community have done very little to fully intergrate that town. They've all become complacent in keeping things the way they are. That's why none of them consider it a racist town the 12% of the population remain in their space, like the good little negroes, and the white folks like it that way. Well Yt, welcome to the world of technology. I bet it's been due to techological advances that promoted those six young men to question why is this one of the few places in America that still has white only anything.
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cdub
Comment: khufu: to answer your question What's next. Here is smothing simple and has happend before. We can all start marking our MONEY with a Black streak across the face of the President.In this world of ATM cards cash is the paper message. This could start today and last until November%%%
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Southernbelle
Comment: That should read "The 12% of blacks in that town."
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khufu
Comment: SOUTHERBELLE brilliant point!
Harriet Tubman: I wouldda freed mo slaves if they only knew they were slaves!
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...Yeah khufu we're you selling bean pies?....Did anybody see Beyonce fall and trip while marching?... Hey, I saw Barak, he had on a trench coat, sunglasses and his hat was pulled down on his head...I was like, Barak, what's up man?...He just waved his hand like he didn't wanna be recognized so I just left 'him alone...I thought I saw Dave Chapelle...Did anybody notice David Banner getting pushed away and disapearing when he tried to approach Rev. Sharpton?...I'm telling ya, Banner had a look of fear in his eyes...I didn't see him for the remainder of the march....Rev. Al got some big azz body guards, huh?...I think they were members of the fruit of Islam....
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khufu
Comment: DCG!! Brilliant point!! That's what I been saying and getting beat down for
Pro=activity
self=sufficiency
local nationalism
pan africanism
whatever you want to call it......
basic tribalism
Chinese folks do it
White Jews do it
Pakistanis do it
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khufu
Comment: Hey Im not saying I ddnt want it to be peaceful..I was just raising some questions about that often self-imposed erroneous notion of Black folks marching peacefully
our marches were never violent except when violence was imposed on us and usually when it was, we didnt fight back..
and then there were the riots...but the riots were different than the marches...historically when Black folks came to riot, they came to riot......I don't know of any instance where Black folks showed up to march and protest and it turned into a riot..
I could be wrong....anyone know of any instance where that happened?
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khufu
Comment: BOOT nah, I had the shotgun in my hand....
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khufu
Comment: they should all go down, all 100 00 and march on BET and then after that...to White House and then to Congress about the Sudan...and after that to West Virginia..and then NY about the cop killing of the brother in Queens...
and then after that back to the White House about the illegal war in Iraq....and after that to Georgia just because.......
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thelildiva4u
Comment: Cdub..Great point! NAACP has a good report on the impact of our dollars.
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khufu
Comment: and while in Georgia, half go to have an Ndabe with Bynum and the other half with Weeks........straighten them you...
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khufu
Comment: having and spending money without cultural consciousness is counter-productive....if a group of people have access to 1 billion dollars and they dont circulate it in their own community/cultural economies that 1 billion does very little for them and instead enriches other people..
sound familiar?
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khufu
Comment: A Jew thinks like a Jew when it comes to his/her money
a Chinese person does the same
japanese
East Indian
Pakistani
even many Caribbean folks of african descent and continental Africans..
however, African Americans dont for the most part..
that's why I HOPE that the folks who marched yesterday did not en richen financially any white folks in Louisiana...
if they did, I can imagine the YT's saying:
"we need to hang some nooses in trees more often to make some money....we like them Negras..."
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cdub
Comment: khufu: I feel you for thinking about awareness, but there is no downside to this. You asked ?what's next? Well our dollars are what's next. Hell.. they are not my Presidents anyway. Can I get am AMEN
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dcdouglass01
Comment: SouthernBelle said: "They're accustomed to living in an environment where there is a 'white' only tree." And their soultion, as far as the tree went, was pure white and Southern and racist as well: cut it down. They could have left it and used it as Jena's ground-zero for better racial understanding. But instead they took a "n*ggas will never sit under this tree" approach. A reminder of how small the minds are that you're dealing with.
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PBF_19
Comment: It's ashame that we have to wait for something bad to happen to come together, we need to come together more often just for the fun of it.
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BigSexy
Comment: I thought hanging a noose constitutes a hate crime. So shouldn't the feds be all over this?!?! They are all over the one found on a college campus in Maryland. Walters needs to sit his racist tail down somewhere. He knows and we know why he did what he did. Save your "justice for an innocent victim" speech for your mama! Like we were saying with OJ. You have to be aware that if you do something stupid (hang a noose), there will be consequences. Now since the prejudice town did nothing which I'm sure they have a history of doing nothing when Blacks are discriminated against, these kids took the law in their own hands. They were upset and %*$!ed off and let it get the best of them. They did commit a crime - attempted murder NO, but so did the YT kids who hung the noose and nothing was done about that. They (YT) struck first!
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: Black folks shoulda chopped that muthafuccin tree down!!! Chop baby chop!, Chop baby Chop!!!! Chop it like it's hot!!!!!...Chop it til it drops!!!!! And ya don't stop the Chop-chop!!!!
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soulmusic101
Comment: LOL @ MusB Just worried about your fondness for Bill O'Lielly...Be careful on your journey for the truth.
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khufu
Comment: CDUB..I agree that the focus should and must be on our financial resources and power..but it has to be strategic....and meaningful..Black folks will take the "financial awareness" and "ecominc power" call to mean:
"I get to get mine"
and
"I got to get paid so I can get more material things.."
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soulmusic101
Comment: Your thoughts Khufu....In 1964, Malcolm X went on his pilgrimage to Mecca, which is obligatory for orthodox Muslims, and there he began to consider changing his views towards integration. In Mecca, he saw that it was possible for black and white people to live in brotherhood, of which he was deeply touched. After the pilgrimage he adopted the name El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz.
The angry members of the Nation of Islam began to threaten to kill him. His home in Queens, New York, which Malcolm X shared with his wife and his six children was firebombed in early February 1965. When Malcolm X was delivering a speech in the Audubon Ballroom in Harlem on February 21, 1965, he was shot down by Black Muslims; but it is widely suspected that there were higher powers behind his murder.
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khufu
Comment: PBF..that's part of the dilemma...most Black folks dont think that something bad is happening to Black folks perpetually.......everyday, everywhere, systematically and systemically...heck, look at Sudan...
Black foks will say:
"That aint got nothing to do with me.."
Or OJ
Wesley
the racist educational system
The Iraq War
you name it.....
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khufu
Comment: SOUL when did Malcolm ever say you should no longer defend yourself if ANYONE attacks you?
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soulmusic101
Comment: Your thoughts on what I posted plz???
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: First we'll march on Jena, then the White House, next the offices of BET, then Don Imus's house...(Doing my best Howard Dean impression) AAAArrrrrrrh!
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khufu
Comment: Okay SOUL let's do this: here is what Maloclm said...let's determine when he said it.....and if he said it pre-Hajj, did he ever say anything to change his thoughts and positions on:
SELF-DEFENSE....
"Concerning nonviolence: It is criminal to teach a man not to defend himself, when he is the constant victim of brutal attacks. It is legal and lawful to own a shotgun or a rifle. We believe in obeying the law."
"It doesn't mean that I advocate violence, but at the same time, I am not against using violence in self-defense. I don't call it violence when it's self-defense, I call it intelligence."
"If violence is wrong in America, violence is wrong abroad. If it is wrong to be violent defending black women and black children and black babies and black men, then it is wrong for America to draft us, and make us violent abroad in defense of her. And if it is right for America to draft us, and teach us how to be violent in defense of her, then it is right for you and me to do whatever is necessary to defend our own people right here in this country."
"I don't mean go out and get violent; but at the same time you should never be nonviolent unless you run into some nonviolence. I'm nonviolent with those who are nonviolent with me. But when you drop that violence on me, then you've made me go insane, and I'm not responsible for what I do."
"I don't favor violence. If we could bring about recognition and respect of our people by peaceful means, well and good. Everybody would like to reach his objectives peacefully. But I'm also a realist. The only people in this country who are asked to be nonviolent are black people."
"Last but not least, I must say this concerning the great controversy over rifles and shotguns. The only thing I've ever said is that in areas where the government has proven itself either unwilling or unable to defend the lives and the property of Negroes, it's time for Negroes to defend themselves. Article number two of the Constitutional amendments provides you and me the right to own a rifle or a shotgun. It is constitutionally legal to own a shotgun or a rifle.
This doesn't mean you're going to get a rifle and form battalions and go out looking for white folks, although you'd be within your rights - I mean, you'd be justified; but that would be illegal and we don't do anything illegal.
If the white man doesn't want the black man buying rifles and shotguns, then let the government do its job. That's all."
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cuteleggs
Comment: Excellent point Southernbelle!
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khufu
Comment: Malcolm denounced hatred of white people
when and where did he ever renounce the right for a man to defend himself?
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queeniebunz
Comment: I am glad people came together. I am glad they were peaceful. BUT I just hate it that all of this was caused by a group of knuckleheads who couldn't keep their hands to themselves. Here in the DC area, earlier this week a 14 year old boy was shot and killed. He allegedly stole a bike from a cop in SE Wash DC. He was out past curfew and was allegedly stealing. I saw the angelic pictures they put up on the news and I heard the sister complaining and I heard the mama wailing and I thought to myself what I always think - where were you, mom, that you didn't know what your boy was doing or where he was at 10pm at night? What is Bell's mama teaching him? Y'all think throwing money at a problem like this will help? No. It won't. What needs to be stressed is taking care of your children and raising them to live right. http://mokellyreport.blogspot.com/2007/09/how-to-preve nt-jena-6-by-melissa.html
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Southernbelle
Comment: dcdouglass01, Agreed. That tree should be standing tall and strong and used as symbol of a new beginning. But no they would rather chop it down than to have "%*$!(@" sit under it. Well, if all it's good for is to hang nooses from then I say good riddens.
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queeniebunz
Comment: And y'all are right about the noose here at Univ of Md. I work here. I know there has been no fighting. There has been no mess. The police are involved. The feds are involved. We don't have a Jena 6 here because nobody did anything violent in response to a hate crome. I understand being fed up. I understand the whole tree/noose thing sucks but come on. Just like the story of the idiot who encouraged her child to fight, as long as we try and do things outside the law, we will continue to have our young men/women locked away in prisons instead of away at college. Clearly, the prosecutor was wrong. Clearly BUT we have got to stop teaching our children ghetto/street/thug behavior unless we want them collectively locked away.
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khufu
Comment: LOL so SOUL and QUENIE..if some Klansman had thrown rocks or shot at them, what would have been the appropriate response?
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bigchassie
Comment: i want to thank whoever sent me the pics of the march. wonderful pictures yall! BOOT>SAY WHAT??!! there was a yt guy selling soveniners of a tree with a noose on it? that is a trip!! and also i have to give props to BET (for once they did good, yall!) 106Npark they had live on the spot reporting from, i forgot the name of the young brother. sistas, he's the cute tall guy with the dreds) and everybody including Terrence and Roscci had on black. so it was a good show. i found it interesting David Banner showed up there at the rally. and he has beef with pappa Al.
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khufu
Comment: you keep implying that Black folks are anything other than peaceful when it comes to:
1) marching and protesting and
2) white people
Black folks are always peaceful when it comes to white people
Black folks are not peaceful when it comes to going to fight wars for America
and
when it comes to one another
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khufu
Comment: here we go...QUEENIE...the Jenna 6 didnt just go start a fight with the white kids....here goes another Black person perpetuating self-hatred white lies and self-condemnation...
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PBF_19
Comment: B00TANEB00TUS...They did, they chopped that tree down, but it was a pretty tree! lol
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Name:
khufu
Comment: remember (most yall dont) a white man pulled a shotgun on some of the young brothers down in Jenna?
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khufu
Comment: LOL QUEENIE what is this "living right" that youre referring to?
Black folks they own worst enemies..
do you suppose the Black parents of the Jenna 6 taught their children how to "live right?"
ANd is living right not to stand for injustices heaped upon you? To bow your head and let them keep on degrading and disrespecting you?
Or is living right standing up and defending yourself, your community and your family?
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queeniebunz
Comment: >Um, khufu - they beat up a kid. Period. That IS breaking the law and no one disputes that. NO ONE. The issue they are fighting is the inequality in the punishment, similar to the stupid little black girl in Texas who %*$aulted a teacher and got 7 years in juvenile when a white girl in the same town got probation for burning down the family home. Again, unequal but AGAIN the stupid little girl put her hands on someone. Yeah. I called her stupid. It is stupid to put your hands on an educator as well as illegal. There is no self-hatred on my part. I LOVE my people. I just wish my people would raise their kids right and teach them to use their minds to fight their battles and not their fists.
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khufu
Comment: tLOL okay here goes the mentality...
Young Black man, dont defend yourself against white people, turn the other cheek
but join the ROTC and get ready to shoot the sheet outta them damn Iraqis who aint never done anything to you
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Name:
khufu
Comment: QUEENI what are the reported details that lead up to them beating the kid up? Do you remember them as they were initially reported in the news?
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Southernbelle
Comment: queeniebunz>I get where you're coming from. But, if you knew the chronolgy of events that led to the fight you may, just may have a different perspective. I mean, you can be called out of your name so many times before you vent your frustrations some other way. This wasn't the first fight. The white guy wasn't the first to get jumped on. These are teenagers who don't always know a constructive way to avoid conflict so they did what young men do. They fought. Since everyone knows that this was not an isolated event where were the adults? If the adults in this situation where not lost in the times of Jim Crow law then IMO I think the situation would have fared better.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: QUEENIE how should they have responded to the situation in Jena? WHat would you have told YOUR children to do and how would you have responded?
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PBF_19
Comment: khufu...The news always seems to leave out that a white man pulled a shotgun on some black boys, they conveniently leave that out.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Besides that Southern..if memory serves me correctly, there were other white boys involved in this/a fight..they didnt just jump on this white boy...and he did do something to provoke the altercation--if memory serves me right?
and who pulled the shotgun on the Black kids?
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khufu
Comment: PBF I expect that from yts in the news but you have Black folks like Queenie who unconsciously perpetuate they own oppression and condemnation....
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Name:
FiveMore
Comment: And Khufu, A grown white man attacked one of the black students with bottles and he was not charged by the "unbiased" prosecutor.
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queeniebunz
Comment: >khufu - and the whole military thing -I used to encourage my students to only go into the military as a last resort if they couldn't pay for college or get into a trade school. I don't believe in shooting people I don't know who have never done anything to me. I agree w/Muhammad Ali when he said, "Ain't no Vietkong ever done anything to me!"...As for our people, just look at what happens when you teach your children to fight. Ask Bell if he likes the inside of that jail cell. Ask that little girl if she liked being locked up. At one point they had her on a suicide watch, if I'm not mistaken. She liked it that much. We have to teach our children to THINK and not hit first and decide later. If you know the system is being set up against you, WHY WOULD YOU PUT YOURSELF IN A POSITION TO BE PUT IN THAT SYSTEM???!!! If you know if you walk in a room, you'll get shot/stabbed/burned/etc. you think twice about opening the door, right? Well, the same applies to the legal system. Unless you are OJ and have Johnny Cochran on retainer (oops, he's dead) you don't have a chance so stay away from the system and don't do anything that will put you in the system.
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khufu
Comment: Black folks doing the same thing with OJ
and Wesley
QUEENIE love your people more and stop fearing white people
and stop believing everything they tell you
and stop repeating everything they tell you
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Name:
PBF_19
Comment: David Banner needs to sit down somewhere, how you got beef with Al and WE are supposed to be coming together.
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Name:
MOTHERSHIP
Comment: Master P and Banner almost came to blows. He didn't appreciate the fact that Banner was disrespectful to Rev. Al, as it should be.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: QUEENIE...respectfully.....any parent who does not teach their child that one day you may need to defend him/her self and possibly their family is doing something very destructive to that child
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Name:
khufu
Comment: I teach my son martial arts but i tell him you must never ever use it unless you really really have to.....
I tell him if someone hits you you dont hit them back, you tell the teacher or bus driver and then me
However do not allow anyone to hit you more than once, you subdue them if you feel you need to
and if you feel your life is in danger, defend yourself.....
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Name:
diamondlady
Comment: I thank God that it was a PEACEFUL protest and not a RIOT - destroying each others property rather than addressing the issue at hand. I pray that all people around the world would wake up, trade the drugs/guns and self-degrading lifestyle to take advantage of what our ancestors suffered and died for us to have and to also continue on where they have left off. Too many of our people of color sad to say are blinded by the "Bling-Bling" get rich or die trying mentality. The ones with the money or the appearance of having money remind me of the house slaves keeping the ones who don't have on the outstide struggling to get in (struggling to look and have what they claim to have). It's the new millenium slavery. Ever notice how advertisment is geared and aimed at the "Ghetto" folk? they know that we are the biggest consumers!!! Go Jena, Go Jena protestors - Support this!! Don't forget this!! Don't let them wear you down with "Time passing" to get you to give up!!!
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Name:
khufu
Comment: that is not fighting but self preservation....see, when you dont teach people self-preservation they become victims...this is what has happened to Black folks
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Name:
khufu
Comment: walk peaceably among the wolves and do no harm
however when a wolf attacks you become dragon or lion or tiger....
especially when the pack (family) is threatened
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Name:
SistaBigBone69
Comment: SOUTHERN....they know. When I was listeing to TJMS this morning Sybil spoke about how different blacks from Jena coming to her with stories of things happen to them. Ex. Sybil stated how a black man told her he was an asst principal which they fired him and took his land and this was like 10 yrs ago. Racism is not going to ever stop, but as a poster mentioned earlier start prosecuting the officials, and everyone else. You get people's attention when you start hitting them in their pocketbook/wallets. Take away their livelihood.
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khufu
Comment: I am glad that the Jenna 6 proved they werent punks..they look at the elders and say:
"Man, I hear yall but I aint lettin nobody kick MY azz...yall crazy"
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queeniebunz
Comment: Y'all can come after me all you want but I stand by what I say. We as black people need to teach our children how to solve a problem w/o violence. Once when I was little, when we were driving down 450 in PG Co, Md my dad did something - cut him off maybe - this white dude called my daddy a n-gger. I was like "what?!" But my daddy said, "that's just ignorance. you can't pay attention to people like that" and we kept driving. I remember it like it was yesterday because he was right. He didn't go after the dude. He didn't ram his car. He didn't even curse back. He waved him off and went on about his life. And he taught me that you don't let the ignorance of others hurt you. As for the whole tree thing - if the students had the smarts to ask permission to sit under the tree, why didn't they have the smarts sue or bring it to national attention when the noose was hung? If they had done that, none of this would even be happening. If someone %*$aults you, you press charges and sue. If the police don't respond, you go to the feds. If the feds don't respond, you go to the media. You don't put your hands on people. You don't put yourself in a position to end up in jail. That's stupid.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: QUEENIE..LOL you hear what you want..
first) I told you, I teach my child how to reolve conflict peably but in the event the OTHER person aint hearing it..I teach him how to defend himself..
Queenie.....question:
if someone breaks in your house or attacks you or your child, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
Answer that.......
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: LMAO@Boot's CRAZEE AZZ Howard Dean Impression! Man you KILLING me over here. Khufu..to add a bit more to the story, the kid was accused of stealing the bike. A mystery person alerted the officer that there was a break-in at his house. The off-duty officer, came home, found the minibike missing, called another off-cuty officer, went looking for it, supposedly found the boy on it, confronted him, teen allegedly opened fire, officer fired back, chased him, and ended up shooting him in the head. I don't know what his curfew was. But, it was 7'clock in the evening...not 10. Either way it's a developing story that happened 10 minutes from my house.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Now what is going on?....Two students were shot and wounded, one seriously, at Delaware State University early Friday, and the campus was locked down as police searched for a gunman, officials said.
Classes were canceled for the day and students were being kept inside.
"It was a very peaceful, very nice rally, very positive," Holmes said. There was no reason to believe the rally was connected to the shootings, but Holmes contrasted the atmosphere of the event with the attack, saying, "It's kind of shocking that this happened afterwards." Delaware State was established in 1891 as the State College for Colored Students. It had about 3,690 students last year. The 400-acre campus is in the northern section of Dover, across the street from the racetrack.
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khufu
Comment: QUEENIE...however there are some schools of thought that do believe that even if someone seeks to take your life, you embrace them....supposedly Mahatman Ghandi as a Hindu practiced that...that is why it is said when he was shot..he embraced his %*$asin and either blessed him or said something like:
"Praise God.."
I respect those who believe, practice and have achieved that..
right now, my instincts are to defend myself if attacked....
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Southernbelle
Comment: khufu> The guy that pull the shotgun was a 20 year old yt BOY that feared retaliation from the black guys because he was involved in a fight where as one of the black guys was jumped at a party the previous night. I haven't heard of any charges against any of the yt guys that jumped the black guy nor did they arrest the 20 year old for pulling a gun on them. Barker got his azz whupped because he thought is was a good idea to talk shyt and scream racial slurs at these guys. I don't know of too many instances where a white guy will scream negativity towards black men and not get their tail beat. Especially considering all that has happened to them.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: SOUL are you asking that question "what's going on?" rhetorically?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Thank you SOUTHERN...well QUEENIE I am waiting....youre at crossraods huh? LOL dont worry
it's judgment time for all us
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Name:
realuvbaby
Comment: Y'all: Bust diss:: Two arrested in noose incident near Jena, Louisiana
One adult, one minor arrested in Thursday night incident, mayor says
Alexandria was staging area for Thursday protest march in Jena, Louisiana I-Reporter sent noose photo to CNN; he says truck was driving near marchers
ALEXANDRIA, Louisiana (CNN) -- Authorities in Alexandria, Louisiana, arrested two people after nooses were seen hanging from the back of a red pickup Thursday night, the city's mayor told CNN.
"I believe that we've confirmed at least one minor" and one adult were arrested, Mayor Jacques Roy said.
A CNN I-Reporter sent in photo of the truck.
Roy said the incident is "not indicative" of Alexandria and that local authorities will look into the matter "completely, thoroughly and transparently."
Alexandria is less than an hour away from Jena, Louisiana, and was a staging area Thursday for many protesters who went to the smaller town to demonstrate against the treatment of six black teens known as the "Jena 6" in racially charged incidents.
The photograph was sent to CNN by Petty Officer 2nd Class Casanova Love, 26, of the U.S. Navy who is stationed in Hawaii. He's visiting his family in Alexandria.
Love said he was standing outside a club with some friends Thursday night when he saw a red pickup drive by slowly with two nooses hanging from it.
He said the truck continued up the street and passed by a large group of Jena 6 protesters standing outside a bus stop, and was then pulled over by police. Asked why he decided to send the photo to CNN, Love said, "People need to see this. It's 2007, and we still have fools acting like it's 1960."
****** If America doesn't or cannot admit that we have a problem with the races here, then there's no need for America to change anything. And if it were working for blacks, we wouldn't change it either. Everything has a shelf life. Including injustice. So supremacists, bigots be put on notice!
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Name:
khufu
Comment: BIGBONE yes, youre right however, when you have judges and magistrates who are racist, it becomes harder to hit them in their pocket.....
and you caint sue judges and magistrates
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Right on REALUV...however we need to make sure that they are prosecuted fully for a Hate Crime......federally.....no reconcilation...
see that's the other problem
Jesse and them will down there trying to reconcile sheet in the wrong way like with Michael Richards and George Wallace
hell no!
Prosecute they azzes......
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Name:
khufu
Comment: QUEENIE Im waiting...if someone attacked you or your family, what would you do?
you mean to tell me if a man tried to take that kitty kat you'd give it up without resistance?
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Name:
queeniebunz
Comment: >khufu - 3 years ago, a guy WAS trying to break into my home. He tried 5 times! I called the police 5 times, saw him once and gave a composite sketch to the police. When they didn't do the investigation correctly, I went to the supervisor. My daddy came over and played guard and made my home more secure. I complained to my condo association. I also threatened to go to the media. Next thing I knew with the fire I lit under their behinds, they caught him and I went to court. He plead guilty to a lesser charge and got no time. Made me angry but he also stopped trying to break in and harm me. So, to answer your question. When protecting home, I went through the proper channels and raised all kinds of Cain and I didn't have to hurt anyone to get the man to leave me alone. I was raised to follow the law. I was raised to THINK. So if you ask me a question where I can either be violent or think, I'm ALWAYS going to think and solve the problem. ALWAYS. I am 5'3". Aside from having a gun, I don't really stand a chance in a fight so I think and that has worked for me for 34 years. I have never even been close to being locked up for anything because I THINK AND SOLVE THE PROBLEM. I will teach my children the same thing.
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Name:
queeniebunz
Comment: >khufu - and I really find the way you phrased your question to be very offensive. The man was trying to rape and possibly kill me and another woman in my condo complex. Calling it "taking the kitty kat" is offensive and insulting and indicative of your character. Idiot.
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Southernbelle
Comment: SUE!?!?! These black folks in Jena live mostly in trailer parks. When you're black living in a small southern town more than likely you don't have the resources to hire an attorney and if you do scrape together the funds it won't do you any good to sit in front of a racist judge. I'd just as soon move than to waste my last dime trying to find justice in the court of one sided law.
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Name:
queeniebunz
Comment: Black people need to teach our children to think and be problem solvers. That is key. All of this violence mess is ridiculous. Instead of the focus being on sports and physical activity, how about give them problem solving activities and make that fun? How about that instead of this "hit first and think later" mess? Ridiculous.
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Name:
Rahwaykid1
Comment: Renatta> you best believe if there was even a hint of some violence every paper in the country would have had it front page. Ain't no news (for the most part) in Black folk doin' somethin' positive and drama-free. And T-Gen, I co-sign your comment up top. We can go a long way if we can get out of our own way.
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thelildiva4u
Comment: queeniebunz, I live in the DC& was called a %*$!(@ %*$!( while driving through Chevy Chase (I kept on driving too). But, that and what happen in Jena aren't the same. One you are sounding like the news folks. Noose then beating. You have to give them some credit. After the noose...whtyboys were expelled...it was overturned...Jena 6 et al held peaceful demonstration...DA threatens them “I will change your life w/ stroke of pen”...fight at party blkboy beat-up...grown man brings gun...boys take it away and are charged with theft...whty boy is beat up….Jena 6 charged as adults and face 22 yrs.
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queeniebunz
Comment: >Southernbelle - um, it's funny to me how quickly people get attorneys when it benefits them - car accidents, police brutality, even that stupid white chick who got thrown off the plane for having a whorish skirt on is going to sue Southwest. Don't underestimate people. They know what litigation is. They have TVs in their trailers. They know who Judge Joe Brown and Judge Mathis is. Don't go there with me. These people know the court system is available. And, you don't need an attorney to go to small claims court if the amount you are seeking is under $3000 or $5000. Please. Give me a break. All of a sudden you are acting like our fellow black people down there don't have that knowledge? Pu-lease.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: QUEENIE so as to not give you to opportunity to cut and run..I apologize and come back to the topic...
so who said anything about teaching your children to "hit first"? No one ever said that.
So you would not teach your children to defend themselves if they ever had do?
I think that's sad and again indicative of the victimization mentality permeating the black community
"There is a time and season for ALL things under the sun..."
SO if that man had successfully broken into your house and threatened your children you would have done nothings?
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Name:
leeneepoo
Comment: Hey everyone I have several of my yt women office mates that wore black today. I guess they did not get the memo because wearing black was on yesterday. The funny thing they are looking at me like why you don't have on your black today?...*scratching my head* It really makes me believe that they are trying to be sarcastic...nd get this one of the yt women is married to a black marine....*still scratching my head*
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Name:
khufu
Comment: QUEENIE so you never answered this: If you lived in Jena how would you have solved the problem?
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Name:
2ndChance
Comment: thelildiva4u I saw the fed da on cnn but i missed soledad's interview. i was at the rally at the capitol as well but i was like the only fool not wearing black. queeniebunz that little boy was wrong but so were the police in that matter. they were off duty in their own car basically doing their own sting "oj style". the cop is a helicopter policeman. what does he know about approaching young kids on the street? plus they left the scene without calling for backup and changed vehicles before returning. something ain't right. of course since he was a little SE mischief no one that matters is going to see the wrong doing.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: this is amaznig so QUEENIE have you ever served in the military? what do you think about war? Any of your relatives ever serve in the United State military?
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Name:
queeniebunz
Comment: >thelildiva4u - blah, blah, blah. The bottom line is that they put their hands on someone. Period. If they hadn't done that, they wouldn't be charged as adults! Again, for the nth time, what I am saying is that we have to teach our children to stay within the law! If you do that you have a much better leg to stand on when you bring this type of injustice to light. They were sitting in there being chastized by the prosecutor. Why didn't someone pull out their phone and record it and present it to the media? All kinds of people recorded Beyonce falling. I know they got phones! Come on! Stop trippin! All of you who disagree with me will continue to do so because the instant gratification of beating someone up appeals to you but as we see here, in the long run lives get ruined. Bell has added to his record. The others have legal fees and adult records. Was it really worth it to beat up an ig'nant peckerwood? Nah.
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Name:
thelildiva4u
Comment: queeniebunz, PG County and the largest blk and "affluent" in the country. You have blk judges, attorneys, peers on the jury etc. This is a town of less then (according to CNN) of 3k people...that I'm sure not one blk person held in position of power. The parents knew they were in trouble when the court appointed (like most) threw him under the car. They did what they could and I have to say well in brining national attention to the issue b/c they knew it wasn't right.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: and then killing and violence becomes okay? How do you rationalize this:
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >khufu - and the whole military thing -I used to encourage my students to only go into the military as a last resort if they couldn't pay for college or get into a trade school.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: QUEENIEBUNZ if youre a teacher I hope youre not teaching Black children
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Name:
queeniebunz
Comment: >khufu - no I have not but my father was a senior master sergeant and retired last year after 30 years of service in the Air Force and my Uncle served and both of my grandfathers served and my great uncle was at Pearl Harbor when it was bombed and my brother was in the reserves and my sister-in-law is in the Air Force. So what is your point?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: QUEENIE..youre a teacher?
When Dr King marched was he breaking the law?
Now if you dont or cant answer this question, you shame yourself
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Name:
khufu
Comment: QUEENIE...where those relatives wrong for serving in the military?
did you ever tell them they were wrong?
did you ever renounce anything that you directly benefited from their participation in violent acts---especially towards people who had never done anything to them?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: and QUEENIE I mean you no disrespect..we are just talking...
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Name:
rayne
Comment: My opinion is that we have to hold these judges accountable for the types of sentencing that they hand down..
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Name:
SistaBigBone69
Comment: I do not think it is so much as knowledge as it is courage. As stated about the ex asst principal. I believe the blacks there are afraid for the most part to say or do anything due to the repercussion. But at the same time they have 6 black males who was fed up and said what the fukk. If the older blacks are not stepping up, that could be due to fear. Due to they know of the repercussions. Sorry to say, but that is sad. We only have an idea what these people have experienced. I work with a lot of racist people and truly do not give a dayuum what they think and feel. Just as long as they do not fukk with me. There are blacks who I work with who kisses azz very well and sorry to say I have no association with most blacks I work with unless work related. I can not stand an azz kisser. Very low tolerance. I walked into a room just the other day and this black guy was talking to a room full of white guys talking about this black guy. I just looked at him and shook by head and hoped he heard me when I called him an azzhole.
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Southernbelle
Comment: queeniebunz>Actually they live up there from where I'm from. I live in the dirty south N'Awlins. I agree our children should stay within the law both black and white. What dad did to those racists in Md was correct I would have done the same. But, if that's the worst form of racism you've experienced then my hats off to you. I can see where you're coming from with your comments. I feel really bad that we still live in a time that has to have a "Jena 6" and true that azz whupping may cause them a lot. But, I thank the heavens that my ancestors were willing to make sacrifices whether it was jail time or their life to right the wrongs in our society.
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khufu
Comment: BIGBONE how old are you?
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mcctusk
Comment: Queeniebunz>>It is apparent that you favor the non-violent approach to conflict resolution. Most sane rational people do--including the citizens of Jena. They tried first to let the process work itself to a satifactory conclusion, but it did not. Subsequent to the "slap on the wrist" that the noose hangers recieved, there were at least two other incidents whereby there was violence or threats of violence. In fact, the white young man who was attacked was had been taunting one of his attackers about an beating stemming from an incident at a party. Now, I am not by any means justifying a 6 one 1 beat down, but if you are outnumbered like that, it is stupid to jeer your enemies. This whole situation is/was a pressure cooker fueled by the mishandling of the noose incident by the board of education and the superintendant. I truly believe that if this situation had been adequately handled, it would have died down quietly. Blacks in Jena are/were not looking to cause a stir. After all, a 'white only' tree was status quo.
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mcctusk
Comment: southernbelle>>not only don't they have the money, but they don't have the inclination to sue because as atrocious as most of us think this situation is, it is probably closer to status quo around Jena. So... if you don't even recognize that anything is wrong, you won't know to sue.
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mcctusk
Comment: okay, i am mad that the Navy Petty Officer is named C%*$anova Love!!
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musbdherbs
Comment: The reason that the kids were tried as adults has little to do w/the actual crime they committed. I believe that's the whole objection. I tire of people saying "well if they weren't fighting." Fighting at school shouldn't lead to attempted murder charges..especially if the victim was able to drive himself to school the same afternoon. Haven't witnessed anyone "excuse" the behavior. For whatever reason, people don't...well nevermind, I know the reason.
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realuvbaby
Comment: My peeps are just too intelligent! I want to join in on the convo so bad, but I can only do drive bys . . . ish I could chat, but I want to let y'all know, y'all got it going on . . .
AGITATE!! AGITATE!! AGITATE!!
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khufu
Comment: Im out but before i go:
Dr. King and dem did not seel Parade or March permits from the authorities to MArch and if they did, they were denied.
That is why it was called Civil Disobedience.
And therefore they broke the law.
That was the point.
There are times when adhering to the higher Moral Law conflicts with Mans Law and in order to transform Mans Law it must be broken
SUch is also the case with defending ones self....yes, violence and killing are wrong however, most man mad e law says:
a person has the moral and legal right to justifiable defend him or her self...
that is the law of nature...even the animals defend themselves if threatened or attacked
the first law of nature is self-preservation
except with oppressed people who have been socialized to:
1) believe that they have no inherent rights let alone to preserve self at all costs
and
2) to trust in the people and they system that are killing them in the first place......
THAT'S ridiculous
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HarrisThomas
Comment: when we don't live through active, daily indignations, we don't understand why people react in the manner that they do to what may seem trivial to an outside observer . . . much too often, I hear AAs saying that the Jena6 got what they deserved and when I hear that, I am ashamed that the speakers don't understand how the incident is taken out of its context of a series of escalating incidents occuring over months . . . AA males, in particular, do not have the leeway in the US to simply be men
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khufu
Comment: every sane, whole, rational MOTHER will instinctively defend her children...look at the dogs and even cats...even birds....
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khufu
Comment: in most societies, the MAN is expected to protect and defend his home and family and used to be community..
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Name:
reflection
Comment: It was encouraging to see the rally, the widespread attention it received as well as similar rallys staged all across the country. But the question is, now what? I would agree that there needs to be sustained effort to ensure that laws are not being enforced in a disparate manner. As someone said, the issue is not limited to Jena, there are situations like this occurring all across the country, unfortunately. I just cant imagine living somewhere where time seems to have stood still and seperate and unequal is still a way of life........
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khufu
Comment: there would be no need for JENNA 6, young Black man having to right social, legal, cultural and historical wrongs, IF THEIR PARENTS AND ALL ADULTS had done it in the first place.....
the Jenna 6 wasnt born out of the acts of some stupid azz yt racists
they were born out out the negligence and complacency of the generation of Black adults who failed them....
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HarrisThomas
Comment: the AAs in Jena know their place which is why the children asked permission to sit under the tree that was on school property . . . the principal gave approval which was followed by the nooses in the tree to remind the children of their place
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HarrisThomas
Comment: anybody who claims the nooses in the tree was not racial is being disingenious (lying, actually) because this event occured in the deep south which has that nasty history of "strange fruit" hanging from the trees
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khufu
Comment: one issue:
whether someone should use violence to defend themselves if they or their family are attacked...of course, yes
second issue:
whether the marchers should have gone there with the INTENT to kick azz...emphatically no!
third issue:
if the marchers had been attacked, should they have responded non-violently?
hell no!
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HarrisThomas
Comment: and so, we expect children to behave like adults when attacked by other children and turn the other cheek . . . but these children were frustrated that no one spoke up for them because . . . AAs know their place in Jena and YTs constantly remind them as shown with unequal, disparate justice
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khufu
Comment: exactly!! and this was WRONG in the beginning...the brothers who asked knew what they were doing...I wouldnt be surprised if they strategized..
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: the AAs in Jena know their place which is why the children asked permission to sit under the tree that was on school property . . . the principal gave approval which was followed by the nooses in the tree to remind the children of their place
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khufu
Comment: no HARRIS we expect them to turn their other cheeks when yt attacks them
but go to war to kill ARabs and terroists when t's terrorize them everyday
we expect them to become soldiers (death agents) to pay for school and further their education
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HarrisThomas
Comment: poor people do not readily turn to lawyers for help with unequal, disparate justice type of constitutional issues and most lawyers don't volunteer to help with these type of problems . . . poor people are able to get help from lawyers in accidents and other tort actions because the lawyers expect to get a cut the cash if they win the case
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Snicker
Comment: --->queeniebunz that story you mentioned here in dc with the 14 year old boy has more holes in it than fishnet stockings....they never found the gun this boy supposedly shot and they weren't even sure the bike he was riding belonged to the officer because they said many people in that area had those minibikes plus several witnesses have stated that boy did not have a gun.....and as for the jena 6 situation, while you keep saying the black kids should have kept there hands to themselves well the white boy they jumped on was a part of a group of white kids that jumped on a black boy......he was bragging and taunting the black kids about that fight and not that it was ok for them to do it you need to get all your facts straight before you start running on and on about stuff.
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khufu
Comment: QUEENIE if youre still teaching stop..please! Youre helping to commit mass genocide....
you support non-violence when it comes to Balck children defending themselves but war and military are okay...
I see you were raised and socialized like that...
start by telling all your relatives that they are violent and wrong and they are setting a bad azz example for youth by having anything to do with the military
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khufu
Comment: once the Jenna 6 are freed mayhe they will help free the minds of some adults!
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Name:
khufu
Comment: maybe
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HarrisThomas
Comment: khufu, I respectfully want to keep our disparate justice system issue and the Jena6 separate from any discussion of the military because the military issues and all that follows is its own special discussion
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HarrisThomas
Comment: once upon a time, a long time ago (after desegregating in the 1940s), the military was viewed a a place where race didn't matter and that anybody could rise to superior levels . . . the volunteer military has lowered its standards, permitting waivers for felons, gang-members, and amputees: the discussion has to be separate because it will not be done justice on this board and at this time
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khufu
Comment: one last thing damn it.....
Okay QUeenie and the mentality you embody...
Here is how you think right:
Although the first violent act or wrong act was commited by the Yt boys, you say that the responsibility for the wrong is on the shuolders of the Jenna 6 who responded right? Because THEY broke the law.
Okay, I gotta go here...yall think Im crazee already so!! LOL
x = the first wrong act committed by the yt's
y= the second wrong act committed by the Jenna 6
QUENIE.... did Y exist independent of X?
and if not, what is the relationship between X and Y?
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2ndChance
Comment: boots if you aren't a writer you should be. you could be the next tyler perry or david talbert. regardless of what the thread topic maybe you ALWAYS make me laugh.
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khufu
Comment: Okay HArris I shall respect that
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thelildiva4u
Comment: Khufu...you gotta give queeniebunz a break. She offered so insight when you provided her family history in the military, which usually means following rules and you get rewarded and don't question authority. Now I understand why she feels they way she feels whether it was right or wrong.
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mcctusk
Comment: Queeniebunz>> Please note that four of the teens were charged as adults becuase of their ages--the fifth boy who was charged as an adult had his conviction overturned because he SHOULD have been charged as a juvenile. Also note that none of these boys, with the exception of one, had prior criminal records.
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2ndChance
Comment: snicker a reporter from fox 5 said that the officer complained about the use of the older picture of the boy being show on tv. although everytime they showed it they prefaced it by saying it was the most updated image they had. i guess that makes him look too innocent. negro please.
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khufu
Comment: kay Lildiva......it's my killer, warrior tiger instinct.....EXHALE...i just defend Black folks like that...although there was another point I was about to make with the usage of the algebraic-sociological equation LOL
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musbdherbs
Comment: Harris...good analysis. Khufu..I agree w/LILDIV about queenie. You must understand how she was raised to understand her mentality. I think we agree that it doesn't her a "bad" person or "less" black. Her experiences are just different.
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khufu
Comment: yes MUS youre right.....but she must be born again! TRIED BY THE FIRE!! Healed! LOL
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Name:
khufu
Comment: im still waiting for someone to bite on the x y formula.......
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Name:
queeniebunz
Comment: thelildiva4u - my family having military service has nothing to do with my philosophy. I am a problem solver. I consider it a challenge to try and solve a problem and come out a complete winner w/o jail time, etc. I am rooted in history - Thurgood Marshall, MLK, Booker T Washington, etc taught me that if you fight within the system and keep your record clean you can make a lot more progress than you can by throwing blows. The Black Panthers got completely obliterated for their show of force. Yes, it was dead wrong to destroy them like that but it isn't surprising when you are dealing with racist white people. My point is now, has been and always will be that when you go up against irrational, racist white people you have to use your head and not your fists. Thurgood Marshall was denied admittance to the University of Md, my alma mater. He didn't burn the school down. Instead, he went to Howard, went to law school, and then LEGALLY broke down the system that rejected him and many others so I could go there when I came along. For that I am eternally grateful and I will continue to follow his example.
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Snicker
Comment: --->2ndChance that officer needs to shut up and worry about how he is going to get out of this trouble he is in instead of worrying about a picture....that is the least of his problems.
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Name:
thelildiva4u
Comment: Khufu...I feel you. My name means belonging to Warrior so I w/you behind the scenes. I was going to suggest that queeniebunz and I meet up and go to Howard where Dr. Frances Cress Welsing speaks every Wed.
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PBF_19
Comment: Interesting debate everyone, continue please.
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Name:
queeniebunz
Comment: As for the case of the 14 yr old boy - I think it stinks to high heaven too. I think there is something terribly wrong that happened. At a glance, it looks like the cop is dirty. I also think that if the family stays in the media and presses for answers and goes to the mayor they can make progress w/o violence.
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Name:
TGen
Comment: Man, that was a GREAT post Queeniebuzz (the last one you wrote). VERY good argument made. I was always on the anti-Booker T. side when this debate came up in undergrad, but had someone argued what you did in your post, I might have almost been silenced...um...almost, lol. But anyway, great post.
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TGen
Comment: Okay, not your last one (I see you posted again, lol, but your second to last in response to thelildiva.
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Name:
Grace
Comment: to: B00TANEB00TUS] I thought when I turned my station to the Michael Baisden show on the drive home that Frankie Beverly was singing. I couldn't believe it. I was listening to one of our local stations, it sounded like a caller was complaining about the entertainment down there. Maybe another Detroiter can confirm that. I went into the store for a few minutes and didn't hear the beginning of the conversation. I liked how our local news showed that one guy holding up the stuffed dogs with a rope around their neck. To me the message was, PETA are more concern about animal rights than human rights.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: the case of the teen who was shot in DC is strange on too many different levels to easily sort logically . . . in this age of converged appliances (camera in phone), the off-duty cop (or his bud/partner) didn't take a picture of the teen on the bike before the confrontation
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PBF_19
Comment: Grace..America cares more about their dogs then Black human rights
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Name:
cdub
Comment: BREAKING NEWS Authorities in Alexandria, Louisiana, arrested two people after nooses were seen hanging from the back of a red pickup Thursday night, the city's mayor told CNN.
A photograph taken by I-Reporter Casanova Love shows a noose hanging from a red pickup.
Alexandria is less than an hour away from Jena, Louisiana, and was a staging area Thursday for protesters who went to the smaller town to demonstrate against the treatment of six black teens known as the "Jena 6" in racially charged incidents.
Police say the 18-year-old driver of the truck was charged with driving while intoxicated and inciting to riot and also may be charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor -- the 16-year-old passenger.
As police were questioning the driver, he said he had an unloaded rifle in the back, which police found. They also found a set of brass knuckles in the cup holder on the dashboard, according to the police report.
The passenger told police he and his family are in the Ku Klux Klan, the police report said. He also said he had tied the nooses and that the brass knuckles belonged to him, the report said.
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thelildiva4u
Comment: Queeniebunz....Well I admit that my background has shaped me. I come from a very political and social conciseness family which includes a father who was apart of SNCC and major campaigns (national and local). Mother took me to see Cry Freedom when I was 12. I understand your point of view, but history has shown us around the world that it's not one sure shot. It wasn’t just MLK, Booker T or Mr. Washington who broke the barriers it was a number of factors that broke down the racist walls. You will need a number of tactics to breakdown barriers. You need soldiers and chiefs to fight this fight. Also, again you totally ignore that they tried to resolve this peacefully…remember the demonstration first at least give them that instead of just jumping to the part that they beat up this whty kid.
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Snicker
Comment: --->Grace frankie beverly must have been hoarse or tired or something because i have heard him sing live several times and he can definitely sing....i heard him yesterday on the radio and even when he was talking before he sang he sounded kinda hoarse.
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queeniebunz
Comment: thelildiva4u - my background definitely shaped me - just not the military part. My dad kept work at work so we weren't subject to that drill sergeant, "I'm the captain of this house" mess. My dad taught me to ignore ignorance. My mother taught me that if I don't like a situation, work to change it. Me and my mother used to debate for HOURS about the constitution and the bill of rights. For hours we talked about the KKK vs. the Black Panthers, freedom of speech, freedom of %*$embly, etc. We talked and discussed and THOUGHT about things and processed these issues. I read Malcolm X and have read and absorbed all the history of my people that I could. I also read the history of Native Americans because like most people in America, I got some of that too. "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" was something my mom made me read. I read the autobio of Frederick Douglass. I read the story of Harriet Jacobs aka Linda Brent. I am a very militant person...
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queeniebunz
Comment: Through my reading I came to a conclusion - Booker T Washington, MLK and Thurgood Marshall were right. I challenge all of you - what did Malcolm X really DO for us but talk? What did WEB DuBois really DO but talk about the Talented Tenth? You can go to Tuskegee Alabama and see what Booker T did. You can go to Mary McCleod Bethune's College and see what she did. You can refer back to your desegregated school experience and see what MLK and Thurgood did. But what did Malcolm and WEB really DO in comparison for our people? What evidence do you have?
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Name:
soulmusic101
Comment: queeniebunz...Well for one he made Black Folk's that listened to him to have self-respect, hold your head up, and pride. Let us not play the Kanye VS Curtis with Pioneer's in Civil Right's.
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BigSexy
Comment: Khufu, the YT kids broke the law first. Hanging a noose from a tree in public and at a public school. They didn't care who saw it. They wanted everyone to see it, trying to send that "you know your place boy" message. That is a hate crime. I go back to the first post I put out this morning.
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Name:
BigSexy
Comment: Just because a group (Black Panthers) or individuals went to jail or even prison for standing up for injustice doesn't mean we should not stand up for injustice. Sometimes you must fight fire with fire.
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Name:
HarrisThomas
Comment: Mother queeniebunz, as someone who has absorbed what was provided to you in your positive upbringing, you would point to yourself as an example of what your parents did . . . in a similar manner, the philosophies and guidance provided by El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz and WEB Dubois have formed peoples' character and that's what they did and still do . . . in a similar manner, the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth has shaped a religion and that's what He did and still does . . . notice that my examples are not about concrete, material entities
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Name:
HarrisThomas
Comment: please bear in mind that Jesus did not start a religion - that came after He ascended . . . Jesus did not originate the concept of Christian - that came after He ascended
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thelildiva4u
Comment: Queeniebunz...I spent way too much time on this one. I have a meeting to go to and have been bouncing between EUR more then on most days and I need to finish this report My point is that there is no one tactic that wins any war. Malcolm, Marcus, Thurmond, W, et al contributed both tangible and intangible contributions to our community. Malcolm has schools named after him that teach self-determination, both for individuals and communities, to overcome all obstacles in the quest for success. He believed that all cultures should be treated with respect and dignity, despite the differences or similarities between them. He taught that it was ok for us to break the Eurocentric mold i.e. names like Betty and Ann and embrace Njeri and Kwame. W.E.B. Well someone will say that he had a hand in developing the NAACP and the Crises magazine. The funny thing is you and I are actually having the same discussion that occurred back then between Booker and W….Lildiva and Wuenniebunz just have two thoughts on approach in strategy and all I am saying is there is no one all cure shot. I’m out if you want to ever talk off line let me. I will check back on the site later.
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Name:
thelildiva4u
Comment: Should have Queeniebunz..typing too fast...I got nothin but love thanks for the debate.
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Name:
HarrisThomas
Comment: this is what happens when authority control figures define AA males (from Wikipedia): When Malcolm was examined for the draft, military physicians classified him to be "mentally disqualified for military service." He explained in his autobiography that he put on a display to avoid the draft by telling the examining officer that he could not wait to organize with other black soldiers so he could "kill some crackers." His approach worked, and he was given a classification that ensured he would not be drafted . . . In May 1953, the FBI concluded that Malcolm X had an "asocial personality with paranoid trends (pre-psychotic paranoid schizophrenia)", and had, in fact, sought treatment for his disorder. This was further supported by a letter intercepted by the FBI, dated June 29, 1950. The letter said, in reference to his 4-F classification and rejection by the military, "Everyone has always said ... Malcolm is crazy, so it isn't hard to convince people that I am.
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Name:
Snicker
Comment: i'm listening to michael baisden right now and they went to court to try and get mychal bell released and they denied it.....so they're not letting him out....RIDICULOUS!!
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Name:
Angel
Comment: Queeniebunz - I hear what you're saying, but don't be fooled into thinking that Malcolm X's "by any means necessary" approach had no affect on the changes that MLK is getting credit for. It's like popping a pimple. You have to apply pressure from both sides. Sure the media and the powers that be want you to THINK that the nonviolent approach is what brought about change, but in the back rooms of Washington, they decided to get behind MLK and end this before more folks got behind Malcolm X and the like.
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Name:
ladybyrd
Comment: u
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Name:
Rahwaykid1
Comment: 2 white boys in Alexandria, La are arrested for hanging 2 nooses out of the back of their pick up while driving through a crowd of Jena supporters. And the fact that this young man is still being held on $90,000 bail is an obsenity.
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: I think everyone agrees that the Jena 6 committed a crime but the point as so many many people have pointed out is that the punishment did not fit the crime. Now of course we can arugue that if you do not commit a crime, nothing will happen to you and I imagine you think you don't have to concern yourself with justice being served, however we first of all know that there are people in jail or on trial who did not commit a crime. We have to be vigilant regardless of our personal feeling on whether a person is right or wrong in their actions because that is how the powers that be initially erode your rights, by luring you into thinking in terms of who did it or what crime it was instead of whether or not justice is being served fairly. If you need a good study on how these things happen, read about post-civil war American and the treatment of recently freed blacks (teaching blacks to read was still a violation of the law---hmmm how about that for those who fill the law should never ever be broken) read about post world war I Germany and their ideas on justice and laws. Bottom line is you can not allow a person's rights to be trampled on, and no you do not give up the right to have rights when you commit a crime.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: SweetieDarlin, in 21st century US, an AA male can be jogging down the street and be arrested for fleeing a crime that he may have committed . . . when the college adults in Newark were killed, the response was tentative because there was an expectation that the young adults were involved in unlawful activities . . . we need to be vigilant even as those rights are being eroded by Patriot Act provisions and covert Jim Crowism
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khufu
Comment: okay...well, hum as for my fraternal brother Thurgood MArshall.....not to demean anything he did..
QUENIE this legal system that he broke down...isnt that the same one that we are fighting in Jenna?
the same American Judicial System that continually heaps judicial inequality on us one after the other?
the same one that we still had to fight in the 60s after Thurgood Marshall's wonderful legal victories?
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khufu
Comment: Queenie...DuBois, first of all I find it interesting that in tour examples, you didnt cite Garvey and Elijah as examples of institution builders and that supports my point about Black integrationalists like you who say youre militant?
How do you define militancy exactly?
Shuck and grin and concede power to white people to stay outta jail? To get a house or good job while demeaning yourself and your people?
Define militaancy please.
For me, Black folks..including my relatives should never have fought in the war for America.....they should have made different choices. Canad for example
That is the level of commitment of my militancy.
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khufu
Comment: DuBois: the father of modern sociology.
One of the fathers on Pan Africanism.
One of the greatest minds that ever existed taught Black people to excel for academic excellence..
the fact that you as a teacher dont recognize his accomplishments speaks volumes
he started the NAACP that "gave birth" to Thurgood MArshall
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Name:
dcdouglass01
Comment: King's activities were external. Malcolm's were internal, i.e., were about getting your mind right. Both pieces are critical for success.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Malcolm.....his contributions:
1) opened Black people up to Islam at International level
2) shining example to Black people that intelligence was not only defined by academic training
3) he spearheaded the establishment of the Nation of Islam as a viable, multi-million dollar institution
4)He was monumental in establishing international respect and recognition of Black folks through his international speeches and through the organization of the OAU
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khufu
Comment: actually I think that DuBois' body of works are more appreciated by white folks and international audiences than African American....
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Name:
SweetieDarlin
Comment: HarrisThomas> My point exactly! We have lost so much now since 9/11 and so many people don't even know it!
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Name:
khufu
Comment: William Edward Burghardt DuBois, to his admirers, was by spirited devotion and scholarly dedication, an attacker of injustice and a defender of freedom.
A harbinger of Black nationalism and Pan-Africanism, he died in self-imposed exile in his home away from home with his ancestors of a glorious past—Africa.
Labeled as a "radical," he was ignored by those who hoped that his massive contributions would be buried along side of him. But, as Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. wrote, "history cannot ignore W.E.B. DuBois because history has to reflect truth and Dr. DuBois was a tireless explorer and a gifted discoverer of social truths. His singular greatness lay in his quest for truth about his own people. There were very few scholars who concerned themselves with honest study of the black man and he sought to fill this immense void. The degree to which he succeeded disclosed the great dimensions of the man."
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khufu
Comment: More about DuBois:
As in years past, DuBois never relented in attacks upon imperialism, especially in Africa. (His book entitled The World and Africa was written as a contradiction to the pseudo-historians who consistently omitted Africa from world history.) In 1945 he served as an associate consultant to the American delegation at the founding conference of the United Nations in San Francisco. He charged the world organization with planning to be dominated by imperialist nations and not intending to intervene on the behalf of colonized countries. He announced that the fifth Pan-African Congress would convene to determine what pressure could be applied to the world powers.
This conference was dotted with an all-star cast:
1. Kwame Nkruma–dedicated revolutionary, father of Ghanian independence, and first president of Ghana.
2. George Padmore–an international revolutionary, often called the "Father of African Emancipation," who later became Kwame Nkrumah's advisor on African Affairs.
3. Jomo Kenyatta–called the "burning Spear," reputed leader of the Mau Mau uprising, and first president of independent Kenya.
The congress elected DuBois International President and cast him a "Father of Pan-Africanism."
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Name:
khufu
Comment: QUEENIEBUNZ...youre a teacher right?
well isnt all YOU do is talk?
Or is YOUR talk more relevant and significant than DuBois and Malcolm?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: On Malcolm...and it was the OAAU:
On June 28, 1964, six weeks after Malcolm’s return to New York from Africa, he announced the formation of the Organization of Afro-American Unity (OAAU). “It was formed in my living room,” remembers John Henrik Clarke. “I was the one who got the constitution from the Organization of African Unity in order to model our constitution after it. Malcolm’s joy was that we could match up [our constitution with the African one]; we could find parallels between the African situation and the African-American situation – that plus a whole lot of other things we agreed with that had nothing to do with religion, because we agreed with the basic struggle. We agreed on self-reliance, about what people would have to do, and that an ethnic community was really a small nation and that you need everything within that community that goes into a small nation, including a person who would take care of the labor, the defense, employment, morality, spirituality . . . . “ (David Gallen, As They Knew Him, p.79-80).
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khufu
Comment: QUEENIEBUNZ:
Malcolm and DuBois could have been more productive if there werent Black folks like your relatives in the military whose domestic duties were to kill Black folks who werent integrationalist...
while I do respect and applaud the accomplishments of my fraternal brother Booker T (DuBois was my fraternal brother too)....I remember that white folks loved him and supported him because they felt he wasnt a threat.....
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khufu
Comment: and last point about Booker T and Tuskegee...were any of the Black Doctors who participated in the Tuskeggee Experiment on staff or trained at Tuskegee?
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khufu
Comment: you offered a challenge QUeenibunz and I accepted...check....
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FiveMore
Comment: Khufu, Great question!!!
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musbdherbs
Comment: Comment:queeniebunz> "All of you who disagree with me will continue to do so because the instant gratification of beating someone up appeals to you but as we see here, in the long run lives get ruined." "Through my reading I came to a conclusion - Booker T Washington, MLK and Thurgood Marshall were right. I challenge all of you - what did Malcolm X really DO for us but talk? What did WEB DuBois really DO but talk about the Talented Tenth? But what did Malcolm and WEB really DO in comparison for our people? What evidence do you have?" WOW!
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musbdherbs
Comment: SD..u ain't said nothing but the truth. HT..Well AA men shouldn't be jogging down the street and put themselves in a position to be arrested then..lol just kidding.. But, you as right as a right turn.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: interesting that Booker T and DuBois had white parents
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Queenie..where you at? LOL Hopefully not teaching any Black children!
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Name:
nycmckoy
Comment: I read the post here and was saddened that we couldn't agree to disagree. While everyone is intitled to their opinion on this issue, not everyone will agree. With that being said, I feel that if the folks in Jena would have done the right thing when the nooses were hung in the tree, when the brother was %*$aulted with a bottle (no charges for yt) and when the three guys took a shotgun away from a yt and tapped that azz cause he pulled on them (they were charged with many thigs including theft for taking the gun away). According to many witnesses that guy was warned to shut the F**k up. He was supposedly saying some offensive shi* to the black students. Now I believe in trying to talk things out also, I don't believe that violence solves anything, but when do you say when? I mean the system wasn't working in the favor of black folks so human nature prevailed. And what is sadder is that there are so many that don't see that. I mean how many time are you gonna get smacked before you react? I'm just happy that the demonstration was peaceful so that no one can say that we went down there and acted a fool, or created a problem. Maybe this is the wake up call all the asleep non whites need to get it together and stand up for yours. As for the person who commented about the noose pic. I believe that the anger you felt when you saw it, is the same anger the teens felt when they saw it. Many here need to see that so they can understand how those teens felt and feel daily living in Jena.
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Southernbelle
Comment: "Bail was denied Friday for a black teenager whose arrest in the beating of a white classmate led to this week's huge civil rights demonstration in the central Louisiana town of Jena, according to the father of one of his co-defendants."
This is why the people marched. The bottom line is they're trying to take this child's life away over a school yard brawl. Let the movement ensue.
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Name:
Calypso
Comment: Here's what I don't get. Where are people like Jay-Z, Diddy, Kanye, etc who do have the $$$ to get this young brother out on bail? Hell, I know they got 90 Grand. Aside from that, I don't know whether to feel sad, angry, hopeless or what from this latest bit of news. I just got off the CNN site and they were saying how theFBI was looking into some racist website that had actually posted all six of these young men's addresses and some their phone numbers. I feel like I'm back in 1960.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: QUEENIE has been proven hypocritical, foolish or a CIA/military plat....
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Name:
msstanley1
Comment: I JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW A JUDGE OR JURY CAN SIT THERE AND THINKS THIS IS RIGHT. THIS IS ALL WRONG, WE ALL SIT HERE AND CLAIM THAT RACE ISN'T AN ISSUE AND THAT WHEN BLACKS GET IN TROUBLE THEY YELL RACISM. THAT IS A BUNCH OF CRAP! YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THOSE BOYS SHOULD HAV E SAT THERE AND LET THE WHITE BOYS SHOOT THEM OR RUN THEM OFF WITH A SHOTGUN! I WOULDN'T, I WOULD HAVE TAKEN THE GUN FROM THEM TOO! THIS WORLD IS MESSED UP, WE TRY TO TEACH OUR CHILDREN TO DO THE RIGHT THINGS, BUT WE STILL GET OVER LOOKED, DUE TO ALL THE HATRED IN THIS WORLD. IF THE WHITE KIDS HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE DAMN TREE,AND THE KIDS THAT WERE ALREADY THERE, WHY IN THE HELL DID THEY GO THERE TO STIR UP SOME MESS? BUT OH, MY WHITE BABIES CAN'T DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I SAY WE ALL SHOULD GET DOWN ON OUR KNEES, AND BE THANKFUL EACH DAY, TO BE HEALTHY AND ALIVE AND ABLE TO WALK AN TALK AN GO TO SCHOOL AND CHURCH, AND CUT THE BS. OUT! THESE PARENTS OF THE WHITE BOYS CLAIM TO BE CHRISTIANS, BUT A CHRISTIAN DOESN'T ACT THIS WAY, THEY NEED TO CONFIRM THERE BELIEF WITH GODD. BUT IN THE END OF ALL THIS HATRED, THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL, AND GOD WILL SERVE VENGANCE ON THE RIGHT PARTIES. SO, WE NEED TO PRAY FOR THESE SIX BABIES, AND KNOW THAT GOD IS GOD, AND IF WE HAVE FAITH IN HIM, JUSTICE WILL BE THERES! I LOVE ALL YOU BOYS, AND I PRAY FOR YOU EVERYDAY SINCE THIS NONSENSE HAS STARTED, AND I KNOW ALL WILL END IN GOOD MANNERS! GOD BLESS YOU ALL, AND KEEP YOUR HEAD UP AND YOUR HEART TRUE!
SICERELY,
MS.STANLEY
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msstanley1
Comment: I HAVE READ EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE COMMENTS AND WITH ALL THE LOVE WE HAVE HERE, WE NEED MORE OF IT TO CHANGE THIS MESSED UP PLACE WE LIVE ON. I COULD CARE LESS WHAT COLOR YOUR SKIN IS, WHERE YOU COME FROM, WHAT YOU HAVE OR HOW MUCH OF IT YOU GOT, BECAUSE WHEN IT IS ALL SAID AND DONE, WE LEAVE HERE WITH NOTHING, WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY, IS THAT WE ALL COULD WORK TOGETHER TO GET THIS SEEN THROUGH FOR ALL THESE YOUNG BOYS, THATS THE REAL TRUTH.WE WANT TO SIT HERE AND LET THESE WHITE FOLKS TALK ABOUT US, AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY, AND THEY TRY THERE BEST TO USE IT AGAINST US. BUT IF THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN THE OTHER WAY AROUND, WOULD YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THE WHITE BOYS WOULD BE IN JAIL RIGHT NOW? HELL NO, THEY EXPECT US TO MOVE SOME WHRER ELSE ON THIS EARTH, SO THEY CAN HAVE EVERYTHING , BUT EVENTUALLY THEY WOULD MOVE THERE TO, JUST TO HAVE SOMEHTING TO B!%#& ABOUT. I SEEN CROSSES BURNT IN MY GREAT-GRANDMOTHERS YARD, I SEEN THE NOOSES, I HEARD THE REMARKS AND GESTURES, BUT SHE ALWAYS REMAINED CALM AND SHE TAUGHT ME THAT NO MATTER WHAT ON THIS GREEN EARTH IS SAID OR DONE, KNOW THE TRUTH, SEE IT BELIEVE IT, CAUSE I LIVED IN IT! I SEEN LITTLE KIDS GET BEAT TO DEATH FOR DRINKING OUT OF THE WHITES ONLY WATER FOUNTAIN. I CAN'T FATHOM TO EVEN THINK WHAT MY BABIES WILL GROW UP INTO TODAY! HOW IN THE HELL CAN WE COME TOGETHER IN PEACE WHEN WE GOT THESE DAMN FOOLISH PEOPLE ON THIS EARTH ACTING LIKE THEY OWN IT! WE WOULD NOT BE HERE FOR THEM TO MESS WITH IN THE FIRST PLACE, IF THE WHITE MAN WOULDN'T HAVE BROUGHT US HERE. THEY EVEN STOLE THELAND FROM THE INDIANS, AND GOT AWAY WITH THAT BS. TOO! WILL THE DREAM TRUELY BE LIVED OUT, OR JUST DIE ALONG WITH THE KING? I'M OUTRAGED.
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Name:
Cappaucino
Comment: This is Racism! Plain and Simple, but I am sure that the DA or whoever is keeping him locked up is starting to sweat. AmeriKKKa dosen't mind racism when it's quiet but they don't like it being exposed to the world. So they may make an example out this guy because of all the attention.
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Name:
FiveMore
Comment: Where is the noose photo? I thought about Billie Holiday's song Strange Fruit.So, here are the lyrics to the song.
Southern trees bear strange fruit,
Blood on the leaves and blood at the root,
Black bodies swinging in the southern breeze,
Strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees.
Pastoral scene of the gallant south,
The bulging eyes and the twisted mouth,
Scent of magnolias, sweet and fresh,
Then the sudden smell of burning flesh.
Here is fruit for the crows to pluck,
For the rain to gather, for the wind to suck,
For the sun to rot, for the trees to drop,
Here is a strange and bitter crop.
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Name:
PEACHES4U
Comment: http://www.answp.com/
SPREAD THE WORD!
This is the URL to the american nationalist socialist party-a white 'supremecy' org. They have some of the addresses and phone numbers of Africana families in Jena, La., and are making threats. RING ALARM, AND FLOOD THEIR EMAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Name:
msstanley1
Comment: if this is true about the threats to the families, that is by law a hate crime and will pass in court as a hate crime. these people really do not understand, we are in the last days and we already have enough to worry about, and this ongoing bs with these white boys, is a mistake they made themselves, and we as black americans are once again put in the position to either back down and take it, or fight for what we know is fair and just a doely right! you can only turn your cheek so many times in life, and then you have to give it your all, and i am willing to back these boys up 100%. they deserve all our help, and some where out there, there is a lawyer, that has enough knowledge and know how to help these boys, and do it for free, so, if there is any real people that want to back it up, start looking for the right amo to fight this with. whites are not the only ones that can get the help they need for there lies, and all the emotional pain they have caused. and as far as the threats to the families they can file a hate crime lawsiut on the crackers! we have to know what kind of help is out there and use it wisely. keep all these families in your prayers, and start digging up info on how and where to get the help they need!
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