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soulmusic101
Comment: It is sad that Latino's and Black's are pitted against each other thru the Media. If you look at Cuban's, Domanican's, and Puerto Rican's you can see the African heritage that is in their feature's. Mexican's have the heritage of Spanish and Native American (The Wealthy White Man gave them the name Indian's, which I rarely use). I hope everybody know that many American Black's especially if your Great-Grand Parent's are from Texas or Oklahoma have Native American blood running thru their vein's. A lot of Black's blame the illegal Mexican's for taking their low-paying job's but it is no accident that they are allowed to "sneak" into America. The American Power structure has always needed cheap labor to maximize her profit's. African-American Slavery comes to mind. Some Mexican's/Latino's will be brainwashed into believing that Black's are inferior (thank's to the American Media that send's that message around the World). If Malcolm X, Ceaser Chavez, and Martin Luther King were alive today they would try to mobilize the two groups to fight for better education, adequte living wages, access to better job's, and decent neighborhood's. Sadly both group's will ignore reality and be pitted against each other because that is what the Power structure desires. Conquer and Divide is a tried and true trick that even worked against Light-skinned Black's and Dark-skinned Black's in the past. To Ms. Alisa Valdes-Rodriguez I say Ola (or Hola) and I refuse to hate on your People because of your Brown skin. Since I have a mixture of African/Native American running thru my Blood it would be foolish for me to hate part of me. Having been raised in Califorina (ever notice how that state has a lot of City's with Spanish/Latino names like San Francisco, Los Angelos, San Jose, Sacramento to name a few), I have never seen my Latino Sister's and Brother's as a "threat". To my Black Brother's and Sister's the "Browning" of America is a trend that can not be stopped and hopefully one day embraced. One Love.
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Drop_Squad
Comment: Maybe if UNIVISION showed darker complected Spanish folks who weren't always playing Mammies & Buffoons, it would be a start in the right direction...
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FiveMore
Comment: I can not open last Friday's comment section.I guess she was referring to the comments I made last Friday.(Why can't I open the dialog box?)Melody Cool and I made 2 comments;I do not remember any other comments in the section.I, too, am bothered by Spanish Televisons disdain for the darker Latinos, and I see the way that they are treated on televison.If Jlo was darker, she would not have crossed over so sucessfully into the Hollywood mainstream without the face augmentations and other things.Why didn't Martin Chase make a comment?
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soulmusic101
Comment: Thank you Drop_Squad for proving that Racism is exported around the World to keep the stereotypes going. I hope you are not blaming Ms. Valdes-Rodriguez for this.....
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soulmusic101
Comment: FiveMore...and yet Hallie Berry gets more roles than Angela Ba.ssett and Kimberly Elise. Is that Hallie Berry's fault????
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bigfriend
Comment: I feel really bad for her. Unfortunately, unlike my self who comes on here daily to see what side of the fence people are on on issues of the day, she was unaware of how much hate is spewed on EUR. Yeah I said it and no I am not going to stop coming on EUR. If she only knew what a small portion of the population EUR stands for she would not have taken the comments so seriously. If she only knew that if you have a differing opinion then you are called yt loving. If she only knew that alot of the people on here are on here just to white people bash, or even just other race bash, not to have a real dialogue, she would not have taken the comments seriously. I hope she comes and reads the comments on the other stories. She will see how closed minded the some of the people are on EUR. She will get the idea. I hope her movie does well.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Even Carlos Santana will tell you that Africa is the birthplace of rhythm which is prominent in African and Latin Music. It all started with the Drum which came from Africa. I would love to pay a visit to Brazil which has Brother's and Sister's darker than me and they are some of the World's most beautiful People.
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FiveMore
Comment: We all know that darker skin Latinos are not treated fairly, I have heard some of them tell stories of blatant racism by the hands their countrymen.We would like to pretend that having "black behind the ears" (something I read from a Cuban American)is a thing of the past, but in reality race/color is at the heart of the problem.I know people read these comments, but some do not truly understand what's at the heart of the matter.I'll recuse my self from this discussion. Halle is favored because she is biracial.
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soulmusic101
Comment: FiveMore...no kidding Sherlock, is this Alisa fault that Racism travels around the Globe?
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Debonair
Comment: I don't think that if anyone has a different point of view, it's considered that they are yt loving. I think if your opinion is different and it's idiotic, then it just ignorant. That said, having being exposed to different culutres and different parts of the world, the darker skinned Latinos sometimes are treated like we get treated in Amerikkka. But i also learned that if you present yourself just as a PERSON of decent morals, intelligence and of class, you'd be surprised at the type of friends you will end up with. I hope this movie has great success, as that if i want to see cross cultural events, i identify more with Latinos than i do Europeans. We have more in common that is indicated.But i also understand the point of view of those of us who feel as though there is this massive wave of Latinos bombarding Ameirkkkan shores and that we will be lost and forgotten in the aftermath. Mere media hype. Latinos have been here for quite some time...even before the European invasion.
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andryce76
Comment: when they are trying to make it. yes they identify with us and once they have tapped out the support of the black people then they can strive for what they really wan't to be accepted by white america look at J-LO oh she was down at first but then she didn't need black support anymore Alisa Valdes Rodriguez is just the same right now because she's trying to make it but once she has lol
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Sexee
Comment: Dear Alisa, Don't be upset, they are HATERS. Ever heard of the term "misery loves company"? I am a black woman and I frequent this site and it never amazes me on whom and what they will throw stones at (living in a glass house themselves). So know that they are doing their jobs. They prefer to have white america produce movies for them, instead of being producer/co-producer of movies of color.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Last time I checked J Lo married an Hispanic and not a White Guy to try and "cross-over". And Black folk's "never" strive to cross-over into the mainstream if given the chance. Color rules everything around me.
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Sexee
Comment: I am glad that EURweb decided to post the open letter from this non-black woman., It holds a mirror up to the pseudo-intellect and lets them know that if she is watching everyone else is as well.
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star
Comment: Loved Alisa's letter. The thing is you don't have to explain your actions to anyone. You are positive, talented, and smart. Our people (blacks) sometimes lash out due to hurt, pain, and rejection. Someone on this board talked about UNIVISION not showing darker Latino's-that's a problem. Hopefully showcasing darker Latino's is your future plans.
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McNasty
Comment: Finally it's in print the blood lines between various latinos and blacks - too bad it took so long that we've used that time to fall for the rhetoric the media has used to keep races and cultures as far apart as humanly possible. To pit one culture against another must have felt like a coup to them. It's another way to control and as far as I can tell, they were successful. I hope her movie is a success, it sounds like it would be a good one to see.
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MDhornet
Comment: WOW!! I see the point of her letter has totally been missed. Not surprised though. This is EUR afterall. Intelligence and rational thinking do not reside here.
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McNasty
Comment: Good post Soulmusic! My parents were both from Texas and my sisters and I have traced our family roots on my paternal grandmother's side. I know exactly what native indian blood runs through my veins.
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Renetta
Comment: two of the male romantic interests in the book are of African descent – THIS IS MY ISSUE. I'm tired tired tired of the invisible black actress. I'm tired of black men being paired with hispanic women as though WE don't exist. And I have NEVER heard ANY hispanic people rush up and say 'yes we are part Arfican' NEVER. So fck her and her film/book whatever. What about black female screenwriters with stories about BLACK MEN and BLACK WOMEN? I'd rather see that. I have no interest in watching a film about 6 hispanic women TWO of which are involved with OUR brothers. She can read this and weep some more.
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andryce76
Comment: child please she's saying whatever she has to say to get her project off the ground. once that happens and it becomes successful she won't even remember being upset Renetta i agree with you lol
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mayday
Comment: I agree with your post to a certain degree Renetta..LOL. I am glad that the woman sent in the open letter because she made some very good points. However, we can probably count on one hand how many hispanics openly identify with their African roots. In the 1600's and 1700's the Hispanics went through a "white washing" of their culture where they only reproduced with the European and native American looking Hispanics to get rid of their "ethnic" features. Their race of people are/were just as confused and have as much self hatred about their brown skin tone as the whole dark skin/light skin debacle that still separates the black community. Nice article, no sympathy.
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FiveMore
Comment: There is an imposter on the boards,yall!hmmmm...A poser.Who is it?Can the world unite harmonously at the sound of black soul music?Yes, If Amy Winehouse is singing it.Also, Janet has been "blueballed" because she can never cross over into mainstream America again.Why?Can someone please tell me the reason the CW jerky newscaster reminded Janet of the Super Bowl incident, and he did not bring up Timberlake's(A phony) name one time?You can say what you want to about me, at least I keep it real, and I know who is being used here!
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FiveMore
Comment: I remember telling the producer of the film," Please do not forget about African American females because we need our stories told, also." I did not address the author of this letter and I was not mean or rude to latinas.Yes,I hope she does not forget the "open letter" to black America when she arrives either.
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indipindintthnkr
Comment: Oh please! I agree with everyone who said that the latinas shun the darker hue of their race. I agree that if she gets her project up and going, i.e. mainstream America, she'l most likely do a J-Lo. I've been as south as Panama TWICE and have seen with my own eyes that color barriers to this day still exist down there. Fluck her. Black people dont' have to embrace her if they don't want to. I mean...that's that's double standards wouldn't you say?
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MelodyCool
Comment: It foolish for Black to pander to Latinos as they only care about "la raza" and "la raza" alone. This is one page from their book that Blacks should apply to our "OWN". I wonder if the writer of this piece had anything to say when Whoopi Goldberg proposed playing Celia Cruz in a movie about her life. I doubt it. I'm sure we all remember the uproar from Latinos over this idea. Blacks will get nowhere constantly looking out for the welfare of others knowing full well how these people feel about Black folks! All of them have used Blacks as stepping stones along the way and will never lend a supporting hand in any of our causes. It's every man for himself as far as I'm concerned! Go on brownpride.com to see how much hatred they nurse for Blacks.
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Debonair
Comment: I think that the very fact that the author was on here checking out the responses indicates a sincerity. I wonder who else is checking? By now, they should be aware that the hate and ignorance is heavy up in here at times.
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MelodyCool
Comment: And for the record...some dark skinned Latinos are now seeking to form a civil rights group because of racism from their own community. I'll see if I can find the article. Also, note how the Haitians are treated in D.R. Blacks folks need to stop trying to uplift others while they spit in our collective face!
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musbdherbs
Comment: uhm...do black people not shun the darker of our race? I know we aren't upset w/Latino's about their color system. That can't be.
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musbdherbs
Comment: It would be nice to know what was said in the previous article.
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MelodyCool
Comment: soulmusic101, you have the same disease as so many of our people...having more love and consideration for others than you do your own. It's costing Black folks in ways you can't even wrap your brain around. Find out what's happening to Blacks in California...and don't forget what happened in that schoolyard in Newark.
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FiveMore
Comment: Yes, Where is the previous article and the comments?Who is with holding those comments?I think this "whole" board is being watched closely.What are they watching for and Why is it important to other people?I thought this was a chat room of sorts.We try to fix the whole community at times, but most of the time it's just arguing etc..lol
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Southernbelle
Comment: Damn, ya'll must have torn into her good. Sorry, I missed that. At the end of the day, Blacks and Browns must unite. We are much stronger when we support one another.
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MelodyCool
Comment: Renetta, I agree. Note...latinos will pair themselves with whites in "their" productions, but leave Blacks out. Most of us spot this trend, but it's Black men who slavishly adore anything as long as it's not Black who are causing problems for our community. Latinos don't give a dayumm about Blacks and we should accept this reality. I laugh at all the latina actresses using Black actors until they reach their goals. Even a blind man can spot this. I won't bother with this movie and hope the majority of Blacks won't either.
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MelodyCool
Comment: Southernbelle, Blacks and browns will never unite. Blacks tried that a while backs and where did it get us. Leave latinos to their own devices.
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MelodyCool
Comment: musbdherbs, no one is upset with latino colorism, but it does spill over into their feelings and hatred towards Blacks. We are extremelly gullible to continue seeking friendship with them. Let them go their own way!
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dcgal
Comment: ...guess she didn't realize we got hip to the game as played by the less-than-talented J.Lo......
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YLawdY
Comment: I'm not hatin' on anybody trying to do their thing, so go for it. On the other hand I live in a state with a large population of Latino's from all over. I don't see them rushing to embrace our shared history of African roots and slavery. I don't even see an acknowledgement of such rather the opposite, a disdain and distancing from all things African-American. Sounds more like a marketing ploy than anything else.
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DOne
Comment: >Ylawdy, many Latino's share our history of Afican roots and slavery. The problem is we are trying to define Latino as a single racial/ethnic group. While in reality the Latino world basically mirrors the US in terms of race. There are white latinos, black latinos, native american latinos. Too many of black Americans define black simply in American terms. What does a Mexican American of Indian decent and a Puerto Rican of African decent or a Mexican of Europen decent really have in common other than speaking spanish. That's why you see similar racial politics on UNIVISION to what you find on CBS
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TheBrownOne
Comment: You dumbazz negros pretending to be down for African American advances tickle me with your ignorance. Namely Renatta, Fivemore, and Drop Squad. Economics and power not color rule TV decisions like Univision's just like they do BET. As for color, recently (as in the last hundreds of years), Dark skin verses brown skin verses light skin is the divide and conquer strategy responsible throughout the world in places like India, Africa including Ruwanda and South Africa as well as the US, Central and South America, and the Carribean. They have been Cultivating negative views of our people pre BET, Univision, and even television for that matter. These prevailing attitudes have permeated the fiber of these cultures and have influenced global opinions of our beautiful hue. This phenomenon is not Valdes-Rodriquez fault, Hallies Fault, Angela's fault nor Flavor Flavs fault and the problem is not a decade old problem nor a centuries old problem. Renatta, Fivemore, and DRop Squad, if your puny brains can stretch this far, then I submit that these problems are millineum problems starting futher back than the curse of Ham or the "pure" Hebrew people's admonishing their believers to stay away from mating with the dark skinned heathens referred to in our beloved bible. This is interesting society that we live in here and though a wonderful country, stop simplying this issue to mere Black and White, BET, and rap music.....and as the infamous BET video exclaims, "REad a Ma Flucking BOOK".......
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musbdherbs
Comment: Melody...Latino's, yt's etc. are not the enemy. "seeking friendship?" You sound like they are al qaeda or some'n. Black people dont' like black people. So I'm not going to get all riled up by a latina trying to speak to african ancestry or whatever the point of the story is. You keep thinking that the world is conspiring against you and you'll end up on the 13th flr.
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FiveMore
Comment: Is the name calling necessary?No,but it takes one to know one.They are right.Black people truly can not get along.I will not fight, or bicker with the letter writer, nor will I argue/name call with you.Yall have a blessed day!Peace:0)
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slenda
Comment: *Community service*
I read Friday's article yesterday (including comments) before it got pulled and it's still available on my cache. There were exactly 2 comments. Copied and pasted below
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Name: FiveMore
Comment: Uhmm., Ms.Martin Chase...Please do not forget about us because we need our stories told also.
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: ^^ My thoughts exactly. We spend too much time promoting others and it's not reciprocated.
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So there.
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TheBrownOne
Comment: GReat Point, DOne, blacks in American hate on Haitians and Jamaicans too if ya really wanna be critical. The point is that the whole labeling system of country origin, skin tone, language spoken, heritage, and current location is pretty flucked up and manipulated by the media and religion to support power structures. OH, and Melodycool, I forgot to add you to my previous Dumbazz ni**a list, but trust me, you have earned your spot....
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DCGG
Comment: Bytch pulease we do not need this bytch to remind us that Latinos got black blood flowing through their mofo veins, WE KNOW THIS, Try telling them got damn wetbacks that shyt and they'll deny it to the high heavens...Latinos will call themselves white with the quickness...Fuvk em all...
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MER82
Comment: It really does sound like some of you are missing the mark entirely-Colored people the world over, from the Indigenous peoples, to the Asians, to the Carribean, to the Americas, all the way into Africa have been majorly impacted by the White power majority. What needs to happen is we all need collective healing, we all need to come together and get out of this white is right mentality. Imagine what could be done if we did join together. Yes, you will have those of other "races" who just like within our own "race" shun their own for the whiter hue. For those we have to bid farewell, but in reality, if we worked together, we could overpower them yt folk and really make changes. But self hate will continue to divide us before anything else will.
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FiveMore
Comment: Thanx, slenda!
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MelodyCool
Comment: musbdherbs, your ignorance is too much to bear. Latinos will put you on notice "personally" in due time if it hasn't happened already. Stop groveling for these people.
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khufu
Comment: LOL Most Cubans are more AFrican and are proud of it moreso than most African Americans! i see no problem....
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khufu
Comment: oh this is so true though
Name: Drop_Squad
Comment: Maybe if UNIVISION showed darker complected Spanish folks who weren't always playing Mammies & Buffoons, it would be a start in the right direction...
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MelodyCool
Comment: slenda, thanks. So why would this woman write an article about TWO comments?? They have come to EXPECT slavish adoration from Blacks even though it's unreciprocated. Look how Blacks welcomed them into their neighborhoods in California and now they are driving them out and looking at Blacks as if they don't belong there. How soon they forgot.
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Debonair
Comment: I work with Latinos all the time and have very good relations with a lot of them. I am relearning Spanish by being in the atmosphere. I think we can learn alot from each other. The AA vs Latino is for anyone ignorant enough to buy into it. You think Latinos are taking your jobs? Ha! No, OUTSOURCING is taking your jobs away. The Latinos are being taken advantaged of like we were. Minimum wage jobs is just legal slavery. It's like Chris Rock said" Minimum wage is just the man's way of saying, if i could pay you less,i would".It's a new day and age and old school thought towards another race who has very similar qualities will just have your azz left behind. Step your skills up and keep pace.Latinos are NOT our enemy. As much as people complain, if they could get paid without having to pay taxes, they would take FULL advantage of it, so stop fronting.
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MelodyCool
Comment: TheBrownOne, suck out of my black arse with a straw!
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TheBrownOne
Comment: I thought you were leaving FiveMore........There should be a bigotry overload sensor in here anyway........i referred to you as dumb because with me being a dark-skinned black man that gets adverse treatment intitially at most service counters because of the negative stereotype of young black thugs with gold chains and sagging pants even though i have on a polo shirt I still were the skin.....I think it's deplorable for you to be making sweeping indictments of this woman that you don't know or the entire Latin culture as if they were one monolithic racist body.....so again......Dumbazz ni**a... the literal sense of this term definitely applies to the body of thoughts your conveyed here.......so go read a book.....and bless you too
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Southernbelle
Comment: MelodyCool, What happended, that we can't unite. I'm from an area that does not have a strong Latino presence. The population is steady growing but the numbers are still small. Do blacks and browns not get along in areas that have a larger Latino presence?
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Dexbooty
Comment: @DCGG
WORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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khufu
Comment: There are some SPanish speaking countries that are less AFrican-conscious than others even though Africa might run through their veins
personally from living in NY and traveling, I know that folks from these places are all cool:
Puerto Rico, Dom Rep, Panama, Argentina, Mexico, CHile, Columbia, COsta Rica, ...as a matter of act..
the only Spanish speaking people that are anti-African are from
Spain.....
but if you know about SPain then you know
1) they resent Hannibal
2) that Castiilian (sp?) superiority mentality runs deep.....so they dislike every one who doesnt speak Castillian Spanish...
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Southernbelle
Comment: slenda>Two comments?!?!!? and there was nothing offensive about neither of them. All of this fussing over nothing, geesh.
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MelodyCool
Comment: Southernbelle, you just wait. Do your homework on what's going on in California in particular. Latinos will have you supporting them, but watch what happens if you dare seek a modicum of support in return. We broke lots of barriers for them and they conveniently forget this fact. Once their numbers swell you'll see a huge change in attitude. Black folks are incredibly gullible and they know it!
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khufu
Comment: I pride myself on the fact that I actually know about Hispanic/LAtino peoples and culture so I speak from experience and knowledge..
most folks dont know anything about them but what the hear in media
most folks think of Mexicans when you say Hispanic LOL
If most SOutherners were to see a Dark Azz Domincan speaking Spanish they woldnt know where that person was from
I have a client, educated, ect, SOutherner....we were in Jamican restaurant one day and a young attractive sister walked in.
My client assumed she was mixed Black and white.... I told her that's not true
I called the girl over...Puerto Rican and Ecuadorian....from NY!
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khufu
Comment: Thank you God that I was born in NY where I had a chance to be exposed to cultural diversity for real...
thank you God that I know that there are more Latinos in the world besides Mexicans
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MelodyCool
Comment: khufu, you need to read up on the racism/killings Haitians face in Dom Rep. Even Cubans are racist...think of Celia Cruz' experience. You give them too much credit. Latinos want to align themselves with whites and do it every chance they get. Black = disgust to them and I'll be posting an article from a Florida newspaper highlight their sentiments.
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khufu
Comment: My last comment....and let me not give too much revealing info
I worked at the place (TV station) where Telemundo was first developed.....when it was in its embryonc stages it was housed within another mainstream network
all the brother and sisters, Hispanic, from different nations worked together on their common vision and it obviously worked!
they were so committed to their own station and programming in a way that the Black folks at that station were afraid to be (not me, though)
and every single one of those Latino folks were cool..they went out there way to relate to the Black folks there..
and the sisters where fine!!!!!!!!!!
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MelodyCool
Comment: Southernbelle, can you believe her disappointment in those 2 comments?!! What the hell does she expect. Had it been the reverse...a latina involved in a black production we wouldn't hear the end of it. Latinos went off on Whoopi Goldberg for daring to think she could portray Celia Cruz. We should think about ourselves the same way they do. End of story.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Slenda..thanks for that. So this woman is getting all riled up because of TWO posts on a message. Mthfka please! Welcome to the world of online message boards dumb azz!
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khufu
Comment: I have visited the Dom Republic, Puerto Plata,
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khufu
Comment: MELODY COOL...when I was there...i know there are those who relate to their ANgloness more than their AFricaness...that's everywhere..trust that I am not naive...but when I went around visiting, the folks I came across were all cool...and mind you....I dont speak Spanish
the Haitians there who largely are workers in menials positions, sure didnt care for me too much but I understand the political dynamics of all that.....
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khufu
Comment: overall based on my real world experiences...i have no problem with the majority of Hispanics....
I know that most are African...Africans speaking Spanish......
and in many, if not most of these countries, they embrace their African music, traditional religion and art....oh yes and food......
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Southernbelle
Comment: MelodyCool>I'm not sure about the whole Latino population but I'm a little suspect of the one mentioned here. Her response must have been a set-up for the lack of responses before. She wanted honest opinions well now she's got em.
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khufu
Comment: MELCOOL..I know Cubanos are racist...most of dem in FLORIDA are..Im not naive to that.....however they are the minority..
LOL Black folks dont like to be generalized about but they sho' as hell do it to other people of co lour....but no yt's though....amazing
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YLawdY
Comment: Two comments? Like I said, marketing ploy.
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MelodyCool
Comment: musbdherbs, of course she's riled up since she's used to "certain" people eating out of her arse. *hint hint* I don't think there was anything wrong with those two comments.
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TheBrownOne
Comment: go figure Khufu....MelCool's point is that all latinos and all cubans are racists scheming up with the man to alienate Black women..........lol...the part that is even more sad is that she doesn't even hear herself to notice her own generalizations of people by not their color, but in this case, their language...... I think the resentment at the core for her and blogger Renatta and like minds is the notion that these Spainsh women are stealing the crop of Good Black Men from them.....I think a JLO type might have jacked her man in the third grade and she never recovered.....Melody, the fact of the matter is, in my opinion, your inability to keep a man or attract a man is more likely attributed to your ugly attitude and stinkin thinkin than it is your AFro-Cuban competition......ugly is ugly in all colors and languages...the women in here who have less problems with Black Men in here, I would hypothesize that they are more comfortable and tolerant....sort of reminds me of the blue collar rednecks that envy black wealth because of their own depravity.....in every color, envy is green and bitter....
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MelodyCool
Comment: khufu, I've visited Santo Domingo, Punta Cana, Altos des Chavon etc. In fact, I flew from Haiti to D.R. You can overlook the treatment Haitians "still" receive in that color conscious nation all you want, but even dark skinned latinos do not identify with Blacks. I had a conversation with one about Bernie Williams and Sammy Sosa and he said "they are 'real' Black men". And this guy looks like a typical Black man himself. I wanted to ask him what he sees in the mirror. I do not align myself with any latinos...dark or light because all they do is use Blacks...then distance themselves.
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soulmusic101
Comment: There will will always be some Mexican's or Latino's (there is a difference) who want to identify more with White's than People of Color. WTF...Black's and Asian's in America do it too, so don't act all surprised. But don't paint that brush too broad, it show's your ignorance and not real life experience. Newsflash...there are some very light-skinned Black's walking amongst you that have crossed over to the other side and never looked back.
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MelodyCool
Comment: Southernbelle, I'm suspicious of her too. She went off because she expected Blacks to rush in to support that project and it was roundly ignored...which I hope is the same if it comes to the big screen. Blacks owe Latinos nothing and we can never expect anything from them overall. I keep things polite and superficial with them.
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khufu
Comment: MELODYCOOL who says anything about ignoring? I never said that,,,,here
Name: soulmusic101
Comment: There will will always be some Mexican's or Latino's (there is a difference) who want to identify more with White's than People of Color.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Two or 100 comments...so what. This issue needs to be brought up anyway.
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TheBrownOne
Comment: Melody, would you listen to how dumb you sound....read the bible, they've felt that way about dark skin forever ya moron even in AFrican countries.......it's no different in most regards in Spanish, English, or Yoruba for that matter.....do you really think that speaking Spanish (which is the way you are using Latin), means they are adverse to dark or is this a global problem........further, do you hear people responding to you saying that yes many cultures have disdain for dark, but you can't indict a whole language silly lady.......who raised you and where........wow....
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khufu
Comment: MELODY trust me I know the socio-political and historical dynamics of Hispaniola ...
the majority of Spanish speaking people in the world are my brothers and sisters
I will not be into the divisve ntion that Hispanics are my eneies
there are those who love being ANglo and who hate dark skinned people
ya think I dont know that?
However I know Yt here in AMerica dont want African-Americans and Hispanics to coalesce, therefore I am clear of their divise strategies
as a NYer I was raised with Hispanics and know that the majority are cool
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MelodyCool
Comment: TheBrownOne, what "good" black men?? Latinas are being left with half black bastards too so don't even front. Black men are titillated thinking all every woman on the planet wants them, but I'm of the mindset that Black women can "forget" about black men if they try. Most nonblack women and their mixed children are in the same boat with Black women who made the same mistakes. This is why we laugh when women use men like Amani Toomer, Lou Rawls, OJ, Michael Strahan, Lionel Richie...well you get the point. All races laugh at black men running to other women turning over their legacy and fortunes then ending up broke. Black women will owe YOU nothing at the end of the day.
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khufu
Comment: MELODYCOOL where are you from? Where were you born and raised?
and lest me ask you:
check this out..a story..
Ndugu and his sister Khufuina :-) are taken from Nigeria and sold into slavery...
Ndugu is sent to Georgia
and
Khufuina is sent to Panama.....
after only ONLY 200 years...
Ndugu's descendants speak English
while Khufuina's speaks Spanish......
are they related?
Are all their descendants African?
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TheBrownOne
Comment: KHufu, I would guarantee that Melody is a heavy set dark skinned black woman from the south....she wasn't raised under the cultural diversity that you experienced the New York......I have Jersey and Flordia recent roots and the general prevailing mentalities are very different on issues like this.....
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khufu
Comment: I aint gettin' into the man issue..I respect your views MELODYCOOL I disagree and will have a discussion without fighting.....
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khufu
Comment: hey the BROWNONE I just recently in the last 7 years or so became aware of two things while visiting Key West (with a woman).....LOL
1) Bahamians have been in Florida for a long time
2) you can see Cuba from there
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soulmusic101
Comment: I have set down and broke bread with Mexican and Latino's Families many time's and no there wasn't poision in the food...and the Carnitas and Dirty Rice was off the chain. Just like they enjoyed the Gumbo and Barbeque that was served. Am I saying that the entire Race is cool...No...just like I can't say that the entire African-American Race is cool with me.
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MelodyCool
Comment: khufu, you aren't the only New Yorker on this site. We're in the same neighborhood, but that won't blind me to what's going on. I don't care which nation they hail from...latinos are trying to trump Blacks and it's silly for us to ignore what we see before our very eyes. I refuse to pander to them and know what to "expect" from them.
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TheBrownOne
Comment: UH, I think i hit the nerve.....reread Melody's comments a few lines up and I think you will see the source of her animosity for Latin women......she's views them and white women as the sneaky villains preying on the gullable black men that she doesn't think cares about her.....poor baby....i wish you knew different.........and please stop masquerading as a representative for the proud Black women that I know and love that would have nothing to do with your bitter and jaded rants.......say Melody will owe you nothing, not black women cause you definitely don't speak for the masses of them
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MelodyCool
Comment: TheBrownOne, as long as you can serve tea, or clean their homes...don't worry about my opinions of your "honorary" masters.
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khufu
Comment: MELODYCOOL I agree that many but not all soul sistah......
there are many whose language unites them
I agree that the majority of these would be inclined not to work with African Americans
there are many whose AFricaness unites them...these are tose who would work WITH us...
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MelodyCool
Comment: khufu, I see where you're heading with your little story, but even black immigrants have it in for AA's who paved the way for all of them. No this!
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khufu
Comment: MELODY I think your experiences with them have been different than mine
however, again, I know of those who relate to their European ancestry primarily and those who aspire to whiteness in America...again I say that those are the minority
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soulmusic101
Comment: Ever notice how some Black's are afraid that they won't be the most oppressed Minority in America and feel threatened when another oppressed group comes around?
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khufu
Comment: MELODY again Iwe are talking and I wish to avoid venom...so let's continue
what do you mean by "have it in?"
I agree FROM EXPERIENCE I have had to put some Caribbean friends in check about their mis-perceptions about AFrican Americans due to their lack of knowledge about us and/or their beliefs based on what they see on Yt's tv in their countries.....
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TheBrownOne
Comment: man, Florida including key west is very interesting in it's transitions from Jim Crow to immigration issues.........on the other hand, I really think that Republicans are fearful of any allegiance of Brown and Black as a voting base...Fox News will do anything to keep latins out and blacks out of latins.........Please don't take the bait yall......the rednecks that run this country would pounce all of our azzes out of here if they could....they are still mad at their lazy azz grandparents that needed and still need black and brown to build this My Country tis of thee.....lol
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MelodyCool
Comment: khufu, very few of them would work with us. We need to focus on working with each other. Blacks always include and make mention of Latinos when we are struggling over various issues, but it's not returned and it's foolish to believe that they do or will in the future. Blacks need to circle the wagons.
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khufu
Comment: MELODY you never answered my question...are they related? and are they all descendants of Africans?
can I share a real story?
As a teenager in NY, I was in a Pizzeria once and one of the Italisn guys said something out of the way to me and some friends....okay well you know about Italians and pizzerias right? Well, didnt scare me.
i read him....you know what I read him on and with? the history of Hannibal in SIcily.
They always respected me from that poit on whenevdeer i went into that pizzeria.
Same thin anytime I come across an Hispanic person.....I know about their countries and cultures and their Africaness...
truth is my weapon and my point of communion...
I have found that having knowledge of them FOR REAL with immigrants is a good starting point.... for me
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khufu
Comment: yep yep
yep
Name: TheBrownOne
Comment: ........on the other hand, I really think that Republicans are fearful of any allegiance of Brown and Black as a voting base...Fox News will do anything to keep latins out and blacks out of latins.........Please don't take the bait yall......the rednecks that run this country would pounce all of our azzes out of here if they could....they are still mad at their lazy azz grandparents that needed and still need black and brown to build this My Country tis of thee.....lol
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khufu
Comment: MELODYCOOL you know one thing I am willing to consider...age...I might be a lil older than you and the folks youre referring to might be younger and therefore your observations might be more accurate than mine......
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khufu
Comment: she said..
When he was a little boy in Cuba, my father was dedicated to the Yoruba god Obatala. So much of what we thought of as Cuban was actually African, from the clave rhythm of salsa music to the yuca root with garlic sauce we'd eat for dinner. When I was growing up, I was taught that "to be Cuban is to be African," and I have never forgotten.
I can only hope that eventually, more Americans will also remember.
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MelodyCool
Comment: TheBrownOne, let's face it...black men are extremely damaged. Keep hammering on the issue about alienation of affection between black men and Black women because I'm not fazed. I've heard it all and could care less about your opinion. Believe that. The more Black women come to grips with the fact that you'd choose anything over a Black woman...the stronger they'll become knowing black men will never their backs. So keep it up...I find it empowering knowing how you really feel and it lowers are commitment to you as a group. And guess what??...no one can blame us. All races notices the pride black men have when he can "afford" to buy nonblack women.
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khufu
Comment: ok yall trippin with the man issue
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MistaO
Comment: All's I can say is big ups to the folks here who "get it". Those of you dreaming and waxing poetic about a time when some other group(s) will join in the Black struggle, call us when you wake up. Honestly now, if it was gonna happen, or if ANY of these other groups felt any kinship with our struggle, it would have happened BY NOW, don't cha think!?!? Until us BLACK folk wake up like those brown brothers and sisters rolling strong with La Raza etc. We gonna still be begging for crumbs off the table every other group is gorging themselves from. Just plain sad that intelligent Black folks still out here smilin' and suckin' trying to get out side groups to accept us all the while ignoring our own collective power if we would finally choose to wake up, function as a collective, support one another (even to the detriment of outside groups), then we wouldn't have half the mess going on in our communities. But again, so many of us still waiting on someone else to save us rather than doing it for and with ourselves. Sadly I think we are approaching the 12ht hour and it's just about too late for us to get our house in order.
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dcdouglass01
Comment: MelodyCool always got to put a slider in there to bash the Black male. Here it is for today: "Most of us spot this trend, but it's Black men who slavishly adore anything as long as it's not Black who are causing problems for our community." So it's a few Negroes incessantly running after white/nonBlack women who are causing the problems? A statement so silly I shouldn't even entertain it for these few sentences. Not certain what Black man hurt you so, but you should really work on letting it go. You really should.
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indipindintthnkr
Comment: Oh boy. Comments like this, ”It made me realize that a key to Latino success in all sectors of American business would likely come in the form of mentorship from successful African-Americans”. So in other words she REALLY IS trying to use the Black community as THE stepping stone to her success. And this comment “ What I did not expect was the nasty backlash Martin Chase is getting from some people in the black community who seem to think she ought to stick to telling only those stories they believe are "theirs." These comments are running rampant on black entertainment web sites, such as Eurweb”. If those were the only two comments (as posted by someone above) on the original thread (and the comments seemed fine to me), wasn’t she hating? What was she expecting, a flood of encouragement, embracing and support of this merging idea in the Black community? And, when she didn’t get it, did she call herself calling us out? I mean WTF? I find it ironic that she can slam the black community because of its non interest in her idea just because it’s produced by a Black woman. I mean, I didn’t rush out to see the Princess Diaries or the Cheeta girls. Nope haven’t seen either one. So she can hate on us for nonsupport but the black community can’t give her a resounding Fu*k You as a rebuttal and are the ones labeled as the haters. Humph how bout that. Lastly I wonder; with her historical recital of all Latinas black and shyt, I wonder just how much of this movie focuses on that
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MelodyCool
Comment: khufu, knowledge doesn't matter to them as much as you like to believe. There's still a small black community in Mexico that's kept well out of few of prying eyes. I know the focus is on latinos in general, but they have very little use for or affinity for Blacks and I return their sentiments. Our gullibility as people as cost us enough. Extending olive branches won't get us far. We need to mimic their habit of being for #1...our own. Yes Black are related to others in the diaspora, but you downplay how they truly feel about AAs. We've been used way too long and it must end!
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khufu
Comment: INDPEN..he hasnt happen because WE dont get it....they is us....but first we got to be we....
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soulmusic101
Comment: I am all for Martin Chase stepping out the box and showing Hollywood she can tell all stories...no matter what the color...black, brown, white, or green...
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MistaO
Comment: You know, I was gonna ignore it but this MelodyCool, you need to straight pull up on that mess about Black men being damaged and don't think it's cute capitalizing the B in Black concerning women but using lower case in regard to Black men. It's self hate promoters like you who do far more damage to the Black family than any outside group could ever. Hopefully, you are not raising Black children considering your considerable hatred of Black men. It shows and is embarrassing. Trust me, concerning "our" unions there is enough blame to go around for both Black man and Black women. Don't get it twisted and maybe, just maybe you would see less Black men opting "out" were it not for miserable, disrespectful, sour women such as yourself. Note to this one in particular not to the real sisters out here who continue to ride, cause trust, there are plenty of Black men out here who desire nothing more than a fine sweet real Black woman, not a pretender! Nothing more, nothing less.
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khufu
Comment: MELODY how do THEY feel about AFrican Americans?
Tell me one by one..
Mexicans
Panamanians
Dominicans
Puerto Ricans
Chileans
Ecuadorians
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TheBrownOne
Comment: Thanks Melody...i knew that a little chipping away would get to the root of the problem...take note all....melody was courageouse or stupid enough to be vulnerable and is a classic example of several problems we all face.....namely, Khufu offered and soulmusic offered several reasonable and "non venomous" arguments for what seemed to be her argument, but the reason they weren't heard nor understood is because there was a deeper uglier issue there than just her opinion of this latin woman with a movie or any other latino....the problem?....most of our national and world dialogue is usually about politcal correctness, surface and cosmetic issues with little to no dialogue on the root of the problems, thus our talks go no where......this woman is bitter over her relationships with Black men........that's the real argument of half of this feedback.......
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khufu
Comment: MLDODY and after you tell me how each national/cultural group that happens to speak SPanish feels about African - Americans, cite your sources......
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soulmusic101
Comment: MistaO..Oh oh, you may have touched a nerve.
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Name:
soulmusic101
Comment: TheBrownOne...you may have missed your calling as a shrink....
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Name:
khufu
Comment: and when you give me the info about Mexicans, please list each sub-group e.g.
Nahuatl (Nawatlaka)
Maya (Maaya t'aan)
Zapotec (Binizaa)
Mixtec (Tu'un savi)
Otomí (Hñähñü)
Totonac (Tachiwin)
Tzotzil (Batzil k'op)
etc etc
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Name:
Debonair
Comment: I bet that most of the people here with the negative comments don't even KNOW any Latinos personally. I bet their opinions are based on some outside/sideline sh!t. A lot of people here probably don't even know their OWN history let alone another's. Not all Latinos are good people, but neither is anyone else. If you had a negative experience with some Latinos, boo hoo. You probably had more negative experiences with Europeans but still kiss their azzez.And i say this not because of any agenda but because it's my experiences and exposures. I've met the good, the bad and the ugly which pertains in any group of people. The narrow minded need to get a grip and get it together. And Melody, a lot of us out perfer sisters over all others.
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Renetta
Comment: I don’t give a rats azz about her disappointment. I’m disappointed as a Black Woman that hollywood seems hell bent to eliminate us from the screen and pair our men with hispanic women. I want to see more films with Black Men with Black Women. I have no interest in watching 6 hispanic women – 2 of which have Black Men as their romantic interest. I won’t go see it. Tell you what I will see AGAIN is Tyler Perry’s movie. I will support that. I will support a movie that focuses on Black Women. Hell yes. But if this woman is offended because we don’t embrace her – get over it. We have our own priorities and she and her book/film are not one of them. No sympathy. None.
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Name:
YLawdY
Comment: Thank you, MistO!
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TheBrownOne
Comment: REnatta, you have had problems keeping and attracting black men your whole life haven't you....i've seen your comments before......even if you have been fortunate enough to land one of us many good black men.....am a right in a assuming that he wasn't happy......but it was his fault that you gave him hell, right?
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dcdouglass01
Comment: Renetta, interesting that you mentioned you're going to see Tyler's movie again. My girlfriend and I were discussing it last night and we decided we were going to see it again this weekend for two main reasons: (1) we missed some of the dialogue/nuances due to talking, babies crying, and (2) it was a good movie.
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khufu
Comment: Renetta...so A dark azz Panamanian woman is not a sistah?
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khufu
Comment: do you mind if I steal this for a moment?
Name: Debonair
Comment: I bet that most of the people here with the negative comments don't even KNOW any Latinos personally. I bet their opinions are based on some outside/sideline sh!t. A lot of people here probably don't even know their OWN history let alone another's.
You probably had more negative experiences with Europeans but still kiss their azzez.
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khufu
Comment: Renetta..you mean that dark azz chocolate Panamanian woman, with kinky azz hair, I used to make love to and bone and freak...while she spoke Spanish to me
was not a sistah?
I was stroking a white girl?
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Debonair
Comment: I don't see Halle Berry making any romantic movies with brothers. Is that Hollywood's fault?!?! The author seemed sincere in relating to her African roots and seemed to be reaching out.What's wrong with that?
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TheBrownOne
Comment: lol....i hear ya soul
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khufu
Comment: wait a minute
NY Puerto Rican J Lo with all that African bootay azz aint a sistah?
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MelodyCool
Comment: MistaO---->support one another (even to the detriment of outside groups), then we wouldn't have half the mess going on in our communities<-----I'm so glad you "get it" too. It's pathetic how Blacks continuously place "others" and their needs above our own.
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khufu
Comment: RENETTA Im confused then what is a sistah? WHat is Black?
'Cause you in the past has certainly gotten on my azz about being too Black....
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Name:
khufu
Comment: all those fine azz Dominican sistahs chocolate sepia caramel riding the A Train in Ny speaking Spanish
aint sistahs?
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TheBrownOne
Comment: Blacks in America all come together and sing Kumbaya, eat watermelon, and follow the same agenda is your aspiration huh MelodyCool......how can you do that when you despise black men.......so you more closely align your plight to that black and black women i assume....
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MelodyCool
Comment: indipindintthnkr, that particular statement caught my attention as well. Her goal is to USE the Black community which is why she got incensed that only two of us posted on the original story. This is what Blacks need to look out for and stop being willing dupes of any outside group.
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khufu
Comment: BLACKS IN ARGENTINA: DISAPPEARING ACTS
By HISHAM AIDI
First published: April 2, 2002
When songstress Josephine Baker visited Argentina in the 1950s she asked the biracial minister of public health Ramon Carillo, "Where are the Negroes?" to which Carillo responded laughing, "There are only two — you and I."
Scholars have long pondered the "disappearance" of people of African descent from Argentina, long considered South America's "whitest" nation. A 1973 article in Ebony asked, "what happened to Argentina's involuntary immigrants, those African slaves and their mulatto descendants who once outnumbered whites five to one, and who were for 250 years 'an important element' in the total population, which is now 97 percent white?"
One history book calls the country's lack of self-identifying black people "one of the most intriguing riddles in Argentine history," while another notes that "the disappearance of the Negro from the Argentine scene has puzzled demographers far more than the vanishing Indian." Was the Afro-Argentine community annihilated by disease and war, or absorbed into the larger white community?
Of course, whiteness itself is relative. Many Argentines who proudly consider themselves white come to America and are shocked to find that in American racial discourse they are considered "Latino," "Hispanic" or vaguely "Spanish," and not white. Says Paula Brufman, an Argentine law student and researcher, "Argentines like to think of themselves as a white nation populated by Europeans. I was surprised when in the US, people — especially Latinos — told me I was not white but Spanish."
Today in Argentina, there is a growing interest in the country's African past and Afro community, "la comunidad Afro," as it's called. The past decade has seen black clubhouses, religious institutions and dance clubs crop up in the capital, Buenos Aires. A group called Africa Vive (Africa Lives), made up of Afro-Argentines, has spearheaded the campaign to raise awareness of the country's Afro-culture and history. At the Durban UN Conference on Racism, Africa Vive presented a widely circulated study about the socio-economic situation of Afro-Argentines. The report documented the high unemployment and difficulties with naturalization that many blacks in Argentina encounter.
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khufu
Comment: "Minorities in Argentina — indigenous, Afro, etcetera — suffer from a problem of invisibility and poor organization," says Mercedes Boschi of the Buenos Aires City's Human Rights Commission, who worked with Africa Vive on the aforementioned report, as part of the municipal government's "Right to Identity" initiative.
So, how many people in Argentina today can claim African ancestry? The numbers are themselves difficult to calculate, says Alejandro Frigerio, an anthropologist at the Universidad Catolica de Buenos Aires. "People of mixed ancestry are often not considered black in Argentina, historically, because having black ancestry was not considered proper. Today the term 'negro' is used loosely on anyone with slightly darker skin, but they can be descendants of indigenous Indians, Middle Eastern immigrants. People in Africa Vive say there are a million 'afrodescendientes' in Argentina. Although many people are not aware that they may have had a black great-grandmother or -father, I think that this is an overestimation. I would estimate that there are 2 or 3 thousand Afro-Argentines, descendants of slaves, 'negros criollos,' 8 to 10 thousand in the Cape Verdean community, most born in Argentina, and I'd add another 1,200 Brazilian, Uruguayan, Cuban and African communities."
Created in 1996, Africa Vive has reached out to Afro-Argentine leaders with the aim of creating an organization that can battle poverty in Afro-Latino communities. It has single-handedly brought media and the mainstream's attention to the plight and legacy of Afro-Argentines.
"Different groups have emerged, including Grupo Cultural Afro and SOS Racismo, but Africa Vive is probably the most important group that has rekindled interest in things African in Argentina," says Frigerio. "It is the main group composed of Afro-Argentines, descendants of the original Afro-Argentine population. Africa Vive has successfully drawn the media's attention — they organized a conference against discrimination at the University of Buenos Aires in 1999, and were written up in an eight-page article in the daily Clarin. The article was significant because for the first time in almost thirty years, the term 'Afro-Argentine community' was used, instead of 'black' community."
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khufu
Comment: Frigerio continues: "Last September, these black groups, led by Africa Vive, convinced a national deputy to organize a ceremony in memory of black soldiers who died fighting for Argentina's independence. The event took place in one of the traditional halls of the National Congress and was attended by the commander-in-chief of the army and the head of state. The national deputy spoke in honor of the fallen black soldiers and then awarded honorary degrees to the heads of several black organizations. It was quite remarkable that such an event could take place in Argentina."
War heroism, in fact, is one reason Argentina lags so far behind in recognizing its people of African descent. Even after the official abolition of slavery, many blacks were still slaves and were granted manumission only by fighting in Argentina's wars, serving disproportionately in the war of independence against Spanish rule and border wars against Paraguay from 1865 to 1870. Blacks were also granted their freedom if they joined the army, but they were deliberately placed on the front line and used as cannon fodder. Historian Ysabelle Rennie notes that the government deliberately placed as many blacks as possible in "dangerous military service" and were sent into batte, "where they got killed off fighting Indians (another race Argentines were interested in exterminating.)"
Argentine sociologist Gino Germani chalks up the "disappearance" to racist immigration policies, saying that the nation's "primary and explicit objective" was to "modify substantially the composition of the population," to "Europeanize the Argentine population, produce a regeneration of races." Marvin A. Lewis, author of Afro-Argentine Discourse: Another Dimension of the Black Diaspora, concurs, saying that "there was an official, concerted effort to eliminate the blacks from Argentine society."
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khufu
Comment: Many have argued that people of African descent simply "disappeared" by mingling into the waves of thousand of European immigrants. Argentine historian Mariano Bosch wrote in 1941 that Italian men had "perhaps an atavistic preference for black women: body odor led them to matrimony and the blacks accepted them as whites," or rather, "almost whites, because the Italian has much African in him, and his color is a dull pale."
"There is a silence about the participation of Afro-Argentines in the history and building of Argentina, a silence about the enslavement and poverty," adds Paula Brufman. "The denial and disdain for the Afro community shows the racism of an elite that sees Africans as undeveloped and uncivilized....The poverty in the Afro community was terrible. Although slavery was abolished in 1813, the death rate of freed blacks was always higher than that of white people and of slaves. Why is that? Because in Buenos Aires, slaves were very expensive, so the masters took real good care of them. Once a black got his freedom, his living standards collapsed even further."
The past few years, however, have seen a growing interest among young Argentines of all backgrounds in Afro-Argentine culture — in tango, the dance and music with such strong West African roots, and other dances such the milonga, the zamba and the malambo. For this, many thank immigrants from other parts of South America.
"Afro-Uruguayan and Afro-Brazilian migrants to Buenos Aires have been instrumental in expanding black culture — teaching Afro-Uruguayan candombe, Afro-Brazilian capoeira, orisha and secular dances to white Argentines," says Frigerio, who has written of various Afro-Argentine cultural movements, including dancing saloons owned by blacks, carnival societies and black newspapers. One such dancing saloon, "The Shimmy Club," was founded in 1922 and lasted until 1974
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khufu
Comment: Frigerio believes the newfound interest in Afro-Argentine culture is not only the result of immigration but also of a new state policy. In the 1970s and '80s, Argentina was ruled by a succession of military juntas who suppressed and almost eradicated black culture. "The military dictatorships from 1966 onwards prohibited or severely constrained the gathering of people in the street or in closed spaces — a practice which certainly negatively influenced carnivals, which almost disappeared; tango dancing, which died out until it was revitalized in the 1990s; and also black dance clubs such as The Shimmy Club. All genres of popular culture severely suffered during the dictatorships and many almost disappeared, but began resurfacing in the 1990s."
Still, he cautions against too much optimism regarding race in Argentina. "The new laws and institutes help celebrate ethnic diversity and help groups like Africa Vive emerge and operate," Frigerio says, "but they have not undermined the dominant national narrative of racial homogeneity and whiteness." While the racial situation is much better today than it was half a century ago — when a review of Josephine Baker's performance wrote of her "monkey rhythm" — Frigerio says that "today blacks are more exoticized than stigmatized.... What scholar Livio Sansone said of Brazil, we can say of Argentina: there are hard and soft areas of racism, or areas in which it may be advantageous or disadvantageous to be black. In Buenos Aires, being black is advantageous in finding a girl/boyfriend, but less so for finding a job, unless the person is a musician or dance professor."
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Frigerio believes the newfound interest in Afro-Argentine culture is not only the result of immigration but also of a new state policy. In the 1970s and '80s, Argentina was ruled by a succession of military juntas who suppressed and almost eradicated black culture. "The military dictatorships from 1966 onwards prohibited or severely constrained the gathering of people in the street or in closed spaces — a practice which certainly negatively influenced carnivals, which almost disappeared; tango dancing, which died out until it was revitalized in the 1990s; and also black dance clubs such as The Shimmy Club. All genres of popular culture severely suffered during the dictatorships and many almost disappeared, but began resurfacing in the 1990s."
Still, he cautions against too much optimism regarding race in Argentina. "The new laws and institutes help celebrate ethnic diversity and help groups like Africa Vive emerge and operate," Frigerio says, "but they have not undermined the dominant national narrative of racial homogeneity and whiteness." While the racial situation is much better today than it was half a century ago — when a review of Josephine Baker's performance wrote of her "monkey rhythm" — Frigerio says that "today blacks are more exoticized than stigmatized.... What scholar Livio Sansone said of Brazil, we can say of Argentina: there are hard and soft areas of racism, or areas in which it may be advantageous or disadvantageous to be black. In Buenos Aires, being black is advantageous in finding a girl/boyfriend, but less so for finding a job, unless the person is a musician or dance professor."
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MELODYCOOL your thinking and feelings are detrimental to the unification of people of colour...
in this day and age, it is essential that we see the world with a global consciousness...see your AFrican self in the eyes and souls of peoples from all over the world as they all come here to the US in fulfillment of this prophesy.....
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Name:
MistaO
Comment: MelodyCool you made some sense till you hit those statements concerning Black men. RENETTA I feel you on your comments and what some folk fail to realize too is that while no, not ALL people are bad or have ill will or intent concerning Black people, but MOST do! I mean hell, just look at our justice system, everybody and they granddaddy know's Black people, men in particular, get the rawest of raw deals with concern towards sentencing. Yet, they only time any of these other groups chime up is when one of theirs catch hell. I'm with sisters like Renetta, she gets what's real and that is a whole lot of people ARE Black, but their actions, mentality, and spirt say otherwise (see Clarance Thomas, Halle Berry and other self professed Blacks who's actions say otherwise).... Aint nothing in the world like a real Black woman who stands for us and loves us First! That's why sisters like Renetta get's much love. There was a picture on AJC.com of a group of sisters at Spellman who did a project in support of the Jena 6 and in the front of the photo of 5 young sisters was one who stood out. She was very beautiful and yet had a stoic, defiant look on her face that seemed to scream, "I love these Black men and my people!" Now a sister like that, ummph, that's what I'm talking about.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Isaiah 11:11-12
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall %*$emble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: khufu, because of your quest to ignore Latino hatred for Blacks, I wouldn't dare provide you with anything. Your mind is made up that these people are more deserving of Black support than the other way around. Go back and read MistaO's first post and that of indipindintthnkr. I sure hope you make headway with those people who don't give a rat's azz about you. However, in the final analysis you'll be sorely disappointed.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Renatta, MISTA and Melody...do you agree with what she said here?
Can YOU say this? Will YOU as a defender of Black women and people say this:
As a Cuban-American with many African ancestors
But in a nation so accustomed to looking at everything in terms of black and white, where "Latino" and "Hispanic" continue to be misused by the media to mean brown people with indigenous features, it seems difficult for some to understand that Latinos are as diverse, racially, as the United States as a whole. African slavery happened in English here, in French in Haiti, and in Spanish everywhere else, from Argentina to Mexico. All three of those are European languages, brought by white "settlers" who enslaved Indians and, when they killed too many of those, Africans.
Ninety-five percent of the West African slave trade took place south of the United States border, but for some reason, Americans don't learn about this in school. The largest African diaspora in the world is in Latin America, in Brazil – not in the American South or South Side Chicago.
Martin Chase understands this, as do I, which is part of her excitement around this groundbreaking project. Together with Galan, we are all working to build bridges between two minority communities that, in this country, have been brainwashed by the dominant class into forgetting our tragic shared history.
When he was a little boy in Cuba, my father was dedicated to the Yoruba god Obatala. So much of what we thought of as Cuban was actually African, from the clave rhythm of salsa music to the yuca root with garlic sauce we'd eat for dinner. When I was growing up, I was taught that "to be Cuban is to be African," and I have never forgotten.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Black woman RENETTA and MELODYCOOL..
are YOU African?
surely she proudly claims her AFrican heritage....will you proud Black woman?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: LOL here comes the ignorant azz side steps MELODYCOOL
who said I am ignoring Latino Hatred?
You are ignoring Africa in Hispanic cultures...
SOme LAtinos hate their Africaness liek some Black folks, like you, hate their AFricaness..
I rank this Hispanic sister more African and committed to Africaness and African PEOPLES all of them than yo and the ignant ones like you e.g. Renetta...
you say youre Black...okay can you say youre African?
the Hispanic sistah does....
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MELODY are you telling me and the world that being Black (skinned) is more significant and important than being African?
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Name:
FiveMore
Comment: MistaO>I love black brothers, but I was defiantly(verbally) attacked by one.He claimed that I am uninformedor misinformed and a stupid %*$!(@, which is far from the truth.I see how EURWEB plays now;they like to start confusion.If it was not for slenda's post, you would have thought I cursed that lady out.Sometimes you feel like hey, what the heck!In the word's of Donny Hathaway "someday we will all be free!"Just Sad!
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Name:
khufu
Comment: silence from Melody and Renetta.....watch if they respond, they wont answer....they cant....
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: khufu...go read what Blacks must endure in Colombia and elsewhere in Latin America: http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_con fig.pl/noframes/read/615--->BLACKS ATTACKED IN COLOMBIA: RACISM IN LATIN AMERI. Blacks have it tough in those countries. Another thing...you'll liable to get cut calling latinas (even dark ones) sistah. That's a no no.
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Name:
MistaO
Comment: Look man, all's I'm saying is this, if you down for Black folk then ride. If not, don't pretend and only jump on and pull no "I'm black too" cards when it's beneficial to you or your cause. I'm just way past other groups using Black people, our blood, our struggle, to advance themselves personally or their cause, only to "jump off" once they've achieved or got what they wanted. And make no mistake about it, while yes there are some down azz hispanics but from what I've seen, more often than not they have little to no love for Black people. Just ask those young brothers and sisters "trying" to attend some highschools in LA county, they'll tell ya what's real. Again, all I'm saying is, WAKE UP BLACK people, get smart and take care of your own, FIRST! Instead of worrying about why some of us could give a rats about other groups. It's just like worrying about what's happening on the cruise ship while you got all kind of holes busting up in your dingy while it's sinking. I'm just saying, wake the f up and quit playing.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MELODY....WHat arent you understanding? Black folks have in hard in this country right?
Okay how do you feel about white people?
Are YOU willing to condemn all white people?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Racism exists in Latin and Latin American countries..this I agree with but MELDOY youre saying that...
allHisoanic and Latinos are racist....I dont agree with that
However I am one to say that 99percent of white folks in America are racist based on DIRECT EXPERIENCE....
the racism that black folks experienced in LAtin Countries is historically attributable to Europeans and Europen colonialism...yt
you dont find African Hispanics discriminating against African Hispanics...nor do you find African Hispanics coming to America discriminating against AFrican Americans based on skin color or ethnicity.....
if you find an African Hispanic staying away from an African American it is cultural......and/or linguistic...
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: Renetta, black men find it heartwarming to diminish Black women before the world. It also causes lessening of respect for black men who don't give a hoot about black women and by extension black children and the community as a whole. The brainwashing is so entrenched black men stand on heads whenever they feel Black women are in turmoil. Nothing makes their day more than being seen/portrayed with any woman as long as she's not Black. It's a reality we must deal with. In dealing with it...our feelings change towards black men...it's the only way.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: nlet me clarify: when I say African Hispanic I mean thos who consciously accept their AFricaness, identify with it and live it....
I am well aware that there are some Cubans (most white skinned) who accept their AFrican cultural roots but dont like Dark skinned Cubans...these are those who are Europeanized capitalists, aspiring white people.....whose influenced by european colonialism, neo-colonialism or imperialism....
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: khufu, you're delusional. Why don't you ask those coming here to see Black folks the same way you demand from us? It won't happen that's why!
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MELODY a brother really messed you up huh?
was it your dad?
your big brother?
your first love?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MELODY see I knew you wouldnt answer the questions LOL
youre wrong...read my earlier posts...I do demand it from them.....
youre delusional...girl get over the self-loathing....
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Name: khufu
Comment: MELODY....WHat arent you understanding? Black folks have in hard in this country right? Okay how do you feel about white people? Are YOU willing to condemn all white people?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Name: khufu
Comment: MELODY are you telling me and the world that being Black (skinned) is more significant and important than being African?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MELODY this Hisapnic sistah claims her AFricaness, can YOU do it?
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Name:
mayday
Comment: Khufu you said..Name: khufu Comment: yep yep yep Name: TheBrownOne Comment: ........on the other hand, I really think that Republicans are fearful of any allegiance of Brown and Black as a voting base...Fox News will do anything to keep latinos out....Latinos/Mexicans in the last presidential race overwhelmingly vote Republican....how do you think Bush got in the white house? That is also the reason why Bush will not support closing the border...scared of losing that voting block. I don't think that the Repubs are concerned about a brown black alliance because they know that it will not happen. I find it hilarious that the Repubs used the Latino base to get into the white house and then tried to pass legislation to deport their families. Always pulling the okie doke.
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: khufu, don't you get it that she ain't gonna get? I applaud your efforts, but it's way too much there to unravel and you can't unlearn her miseducation in this short forum......especially when the issue for her isn't really about latin people....she hates latins, black men, jews, and whites alike.....but hates black men more....so your rational argument and scholarly reasoning will never resonate with her......
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Name:
khufu
Comment: mayday yep....said though that they know this....like you said...
"I don't think that the Repubs are concerned about a brown black alliance because they know that it will not happen."
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Name:
khufu
Comment: at the end of the day with MELODYCOOL and the RENETTAS of the world...a piece of dyck is more important than unity...LOL
what do they teach their children? hopefully they dont have any....
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: khufu, you'll accept any bone nonblack women hurl at you. That woman is merely trying to drum up black support for her project. Ask yourself...why did she go off over TWO comments?
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: But Mayday, that's the point......many latins are realizing the scorn and the post bush republicans will feel at the polls......you watch.......brown and black is a beautiful thing and not impossible and they are worried.....someone made a good point earlier that in Brown and black they are those that denounce the African heritage, but we are more alike than we are different no matter what anyone of you say........."READ A MA FLUCKING BOOK"
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Name:
khufu
Comment: LOL MELODY youre crazy
what is a Black woman? describe please or show yourself to be ignant....what is a Black woman? what is a Black woman?
now if you dont answer that, you are a damn fool and love being a damn fool...
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Name:
MistaO
Comment: Naw yall gotta pull up for real on MelodyCool. Honestly doll, you have some very conflicting issues going on in that lil head of yours. How in one breath you can support and show love for Black people, then in another absolutely attack Black men as if ALL Black men are negative towards Black women? And I'd be willing to bet you, that who ever that brother was that wounded you so deeply, I bet you, he came from a single parent household raised by who? You guessed it, momma! Most dudes I know who have negative feelings and actions towards Black women were raised by their mothers only, now hmmm.!!! That's something to think about. And get this. I have 15 Black men I grew up in my neighborhood with who are my age and a couple years older. And guess what? All 15 are married for 8 years or more, with children and married to Black women. And another thing, all 15 grew up in.....you guessed it 2 parent households with father present. Go figure...
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: khufu, I'm sure you do give her a higher ranking. It's easy to pull the wool over your eyes. Ask ANY of them...yes it's that simple for them to control most of you.
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Name:
Renetta
Comment: I stand by my comments. I’m not back peddling. I want to see American Black Women represented in films. Period. You can disagree. Fine. I don’t care. I still feel the way I do and won’t change it.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: you still a damn fool cause you aint answering...LOL MELODY
shame a Hispanic, pank looking woman proudly claims her Africaness..
now can yo fine azz Black self do the same?
if not, best thing you can do for me is.....
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: khufu, are you so dumb that you don't realize some Africans hate for Blacks to identify themselves as "African" American? In a way, it's rather gratifying to know that nonblacks (particularly women) can confuse and exploit you so easily. You'll wake up one day but it'll be way too late. But that's your problem isn't it?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: the coconut from the peanut gallery chimes in
Name: Renetta
Comment: I stand by my comments. I’m not back peddling. I want to see American Black Women represented in films. Period.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: this is you apparently
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: khufu, are you so dumb that you don't realize some Africans hate for Blacks to identify themselves as "African" American?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: dumb azz renatta..Puerto Rico is in America....so now is J Lo an American sistah?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: dummie renatta
Puerto Rico is in AMerica...so is J Lo an American sistah?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MELODY are YOU african?
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Name:
mayday
Comment: TheBrownOne....theoretically what you are saying makes sense but in my personal humble opinion I do not see an alliance of black and brown anytime in the foreseeable future. Khufu's experience may be different living in the melting pot of NYC but here in Maryland their is a great discord between the brown and blacks and it is not even being addressed. They will vote Repub in 08.....they are voting for the acceptance that they will not get.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Renatta and Melody I cant imagine any man would want yall for intellectual stimulation
yall must be gifted in some other ways
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MAYDAy intelligence...thank you
where are most of the Hispanic folks in MAryland from?
how old is the Latino community there?
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Name:
wordonthestreet
Comment: It's ignorant to write an open letter to a whole race of people based on the comments of a few. The readers at EURWeb don't respresent the whole race. I'm disappointed that the author doesn't know that I'm going to write her and tell her!
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Name:
khufu
Comment: here's a secret
If I were who I am but say from the Dominican Republican contemplating moving to the US..I would %*$ess the situation here in the US and make the political and economic decision not to fook with African Americans either...too dis united
i would associate with those whom I share cultural and linguistic factors form political and economic reasons....
id still love yall/them/us but it wouldnt be the politically expedient move to make
same as if I were Caribbean and English speaking
such would speak more to th problems with African Americans than with me or other immigrants coming to the US
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: SEE there khufu, half the page up, I tried to tell ya who you were dealing with.......if you can change the ignorant mindsets of the REnettas and the Melody's of the world, man i would call you a Prophet and black families would really start coming together.....we have to fight the fight, but bruh, I promise you that this is the real frontline in our mission to save our Black/African-American communities.....yeah "I said it".......Black MisEducation is the enemy and in this context specifically from these type of Black women.....
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Name:
khufu
Comment: LOL BROWNONE i was giving her some credit but she stuck on the man/woman thing....damn for some dyck is a powerful thang!
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Name:
Renetta
Comment: Khufu. I have never attacked you. Never. Yet the board is riddled with your snotth comments about me. I used to respect you. No more. And nothing you print about me will change my point of view...
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Melody if you fine, well built, got that long good hair, you know wavy like..and you look like Irene cara used to look or J Lo...I got something for you girl
and if you can fake an accent girl I really got some chocoalte rod for you....mamacita!! LOL
come to poppy!
ROFLMAO
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Name:
khufu
Comment: RENATTA...ah shucks girl...dont take it that serious......
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Name:
khufu
Comment: RENETTA..if I offended you im sorry
come here....
to poppy
mamacita :--)
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: Be sure to visit: http://www.brownpride.us/forum/
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Name:
mayday
Comment: Khufu...stop playing....they are everywhere and in every age group. There are serious issues inside of the Latino community just like the AA community. I will focus my real time and resources on the AA community. However, on Mondays I mentor a little hispanic girl through the organization Big Brothers Big Sisters and the first day that I met her and found out that she was hispanic she let me know that she was Puerto Rican and not Mexican and she was in the 2nd grade. Color not necessarily race is very important to them.
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: I would just ask Renetta and Melody to take a self inventory on what attributes and mentalities about themselves have caused them to receive such scorn or hurt in their lives from Black Men and if by some small chance that it wasn't you, and you had bad experiences with regard to who you were, then believe me when i say that it's more due to the human condition than the skin color....you must learn that there is beauty in Black...and that goes for Black Men too.......and that's from a Black men of 36 years that has not been in a relationship with a non black at all but still loves and hates all equaly......
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: khufu, Black women have other things to concern themselves with...and black dyck ain't one of them. We have young Black girls to uplift since they will have no one except of Black women to encourage and shore them up. Yo dyck ain't all that and it's poetic justice now that large numbers of nonblack women are not being stuck with half black kids. We're learning, but they're still falling for the okey doke.
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Name:
soulmusic101
Comment: For those who still adhere to the Myth that all Latino's vote Republican you are in for a rude awakeining (sic). How do I know...because I hang and talk with them. And guess what my neigborhood has many Latino's and surprise we get along just fine. I even borrow tools from my Latin Brother's and yes I do make sure to return them...LOL..there is one Latin Sista who is kinda funny but that's her problem.
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Name:
mayday
Comment: Soulmusic101...all Latinos do not vote Republican but they overwhelmingly vote Republican. All Blacks do not vote Democratic but they overwhelmingly vote Democratic.
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: MistaO, I'm a firm believer in learning from the mistakes of others. I have my shyt together, but all Black women have to do is look around to know how black men truly feel about us. We are internalizing these messages and turning off to you as a result. I wouldn't allow any black man or nonblack for that matter to drag me through the mud. It'll never happen. At 14 I made a decision based on my observations and strong upbringing not to fall into certain traps and steered clear of troublesome people no matter the color. Black men hate when Black women acknowledge what we ALL know is true. Other races know it too. That's why the writer got upset we didn't jump up and kiss her arse.
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Name:
Renetta
Comment: To: TheBrownOne You guys with your pop psychology really crack me up. Because I disagree with your viewpoint I don't have a man OR I have strained relationships with men. Please, that post has been used on every sister who expresses a divergent point of view. It's tired. We - just - disagree. Period. I have an opinion that will not waiver because I'm misinterpreted.
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Name:
MistaO
Comment: MelodyCool - I'm going to have to encourage you to BE encouraged! If you are serious in your statements that you care about the Black condition, it is imperative that you not succum to the negative thought processes concerning your own, especially Black men. As I'm sure if you are Black, your very father had to Black as well. Considering you mention your desire to "up lift" young Black girls, this is even more important, please don't infect these young minds with further negative perception of their men, this media complex does that enough. And trust me, we as a people will never rise if our women are not in accord with our men and vise versa. By your very comments here, you have become your peoples own worse enemey. My, my, my it's truly sad just how deeply damaged we are psychologically and many of us don't even realise it.
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: well tell the truth...why don't you have a happy relationship with a black man?
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: and Melody, since I'm really the only one recognizing that your real issue is with Black men and not latin people.....as you say, basically, everyone knows how trifling black men are, then who should all the strong black women have relationships with........themselves? white men? just curious to know your proposed alternative?
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: khufu, Continental Africans prefer the distinction between the usage of Black and African. You didn't know this? I could care less about how you feel, but I will honor their wishes.
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Name:
YLawdY
Comment: mayday...fastest way to get cussed out around here is to mistake a Puerto Rican for a Mexican or vice versa. They are real sensitive about that.
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Name:
LAKat
Comment: MelodyCool: You are not cool at all...and even less informed. Your comments are not only negative, but down right ignorant. I'm a brutha who has traveled the world. There are just as many Latinos of African descent as there is in America. Did you know Brasil had more slaves than the US? Please do your own research and know black folks speak more than english and only live in Africa. We are a global.
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Name:
MistaO
Comment: Oh and please remember one thing that just about all other groups cringe at the thought of: Black Love between Black men and Black women! Don't get it twisted, that's why I support Renetta's comments, because she get's it! And she is right, there is more intent in "hollywood" to pair a Black women with a white man vs. black (see: something old, monsters fall, guess who's among others) Or a Black man who is usually sans any women at all in film, let alone a sister. Now that's really real, I mean lookit how many times you've seen Will Smith get some in a movie? As big a star as he is he can go a whole movie like IRobot without even so much as a kiss, hell not even from a robot. Now yall think that's by accident? Anyways, again big one to the Black folk out here who thinking straight and know what's up. Word!
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Name:
mayday
Comment: YLawdY...she didn't even give me the chance to screw up, she told me from the door. My paper said Hispanic 6 year old in the 2nd grade.....she gave me the rest of the business. LOL
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Name:
dcdouglass01
Comment: MelodyCool, here's some advice: the next brother that steps to you, before he gets the first word out, haul off and slap the shyt out of him. That way he knows precisely who he's dealing with. And eventually, for God's sake, get yourself a white man. Marry him, even. That way you won't ever have to deal with us again. Problem is a year or two into the marriage you'd be slapping the shyt out of him for a different set of reasons. And of course it'll all be his fault. On second thought, don't even go the man route. Get yourself a girl.
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Name:
aubreyl
Comment: Wow! I am truly overwhelmed by these comments , some of which are truly racist and lacking in substance.I could not read all of them as time will not permit. I am glad that there are some among us who are intelligent and thoughtful too.Thank you Khufu for your insight. These comments show me that not all Blacks are insecure and uninformed..but too many seem to be willing to remain there.This however, is a fact of life and Not just among those of African descent. Now please allow me to add a few comments based on experience. I have been fortunate enough to have travelled to many regions, especially in South America..from Mexico to Chile and Argentina. I have encountered people in all these countries who might have had genetic material from the African diaspora, but as a Black man I have always felt comfoprtable among Hispanic peoples. That may be because I speak the language or because I am very open to people of different cultures and backgrounds. I cannot speak on the issues related to Black vs. Hispanics in the U.S since I do not live there, but some Americans seem to think themselves to be superior to anyone who does Not share their background.Just look at the Barack Obama ordeal! Is it then surprising that Latinos in the U.S might be the same? That seems to be the unfortunate situation in the U.S. Divide and Conquer! Those who are unwilling to accept others because they feel that they themselves will not be accepted,are missing out on a fantastic experience. Join hands with your Latin brothers, sisters and unite in the fight against racism,poverty, hate and injustice. Life will be much better and more fulfilled.STOP THE HATE AND DISTRUST!
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: khufu...I'll go one step further. Let them stay where they are rather than importing more racism to the country. They won't have to worry about AAs if they don't flood these shores.
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Name:
aubreyl
Comment: To Khufu...Just read some of your later posts...avoid the name calling! It does not help!You seem to be too intelligent for that!
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: khufu, I don't deal will color struck men like you.
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Name:
Debonair
Comment: I am also friends with many Ethiopians and Eitreans from North East Africa...maybe some of the older generations have anti-AA attitudes but those 40 and below are only concerned with your character and intellect. Same as with my Morroccan friend. I have found the same to be true of Latinos and Asians as well in my lifetime.
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Name:
LAKat
Comment: dcdouglass01: U are killing me...ROFL!!!
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Name:
Debonair
Comment: LAKat speaks the truth....in the 1930's when the United States struck a deal with Panama to build the Panama Canal to help with the trade commerce, many,many brothers left to go there and never came back.
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: OOPs, forgot to put MistaO on my dumbazz ni**a list.....you qualify Mista.....one of them church choir types raised by women that sympathizes with their "Sorry Black Man" edict huh?....i know your type......what you said about movies and race is just dumb....if you are black and controlled hollywood and blacks ruled the box office and your the head of fox studios full of blacks....you would put blacks in the lead too ya moron......it's their hollywood, what do you expect.....you have a real firm grasp on the obvious....how you try zeroing in on a more elusive concept like....uhhh....what good are race, color, and language distinctions if we believe in an omnipotent god responsible for the galaxies that created and loved the whole rainbow of colors.....could Christ come back as a....let me see.....BLACK MAN....surely he wouldn't manifest himself in the lowest of the low.......never in a manger of lowly sherperdest garbage man types........hmmmmmmm
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MelodyCool
Comment: mayday--->Khufu...stop playing....they are everywhere and in every age group. There are serious issues inside of the Latino community just like the AA community. I will focus my real time and resources on the AA community.<----This is where I'm coming from.
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TheBrownOne
Comment: someone explain to me how someone and care focus on the AFrican American community, yet hate Black Men....how does that happen.....(scratching my head in amazement)
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: MistaO, you need to present what you just did to me to your black brothas.
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Name:
mocha
Comment: This has all been so interesting. I just want to send love and peace out to everyone who reads EUR. Dialogue is important, good, bad or ugly. I love Black men including my Black male friends/relatives that married and/or date white/nonblack women. Thank God we ALL have choices. And my experience, with all men and all people, when we are faced with one another is, you get what you give and you attract what you are and or what you need. Have a blessed and beautiful day everybody. Love is the key. It opens so many doors.
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TheBrownOne
Comment: Thanks Mocha, for the message of love and tolerance, instead of hate, your words scream confidence and esteem in your color and sexuality......that's the type of black woman I love and will defend to the end......are you in fitness?
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MelodyCool
Comment: MistaO--->there is more intent in "hollywood" to pair a Black women with a white man vs. black (see: something old, monsters fall, guess who's among others)<---- You're no different from the rest of them. You stopped short in your comment above. You and I both know Black women get no love from black men on screen. You should never have mentioned Will Smith. All he does is scours the world looking for nonblack women to pay opposite of him. Look at "Hitch". You're the exact type that has no problem with black men consistently appearing with nonblack women, but now the tide is turning and you're taking notice.
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LAKat
Comment: Debonair: Go back further. Slave ships made stops in Brasil before America...and their slave trade did not end until 1885,20 years after the US.
MelodyCool: I can appreciate you focusing on issues on African Americans, but do it with class and sophistication. Hating on another culture as you do so is neccessary.
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Name:
OSUN
Comment: Ah, women. They make the highs higher and the lows more frequent.
-Friedrich Nietzsche
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Name:
LAKat
Comment: OOPS...IS NOT NECCESSARY!!!
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: MELODYCOOL.....The official EUR posterchild for the "Angry, Bitter, Confused, Hurt, MisEducated, No Idea What Strong is" Black Woman....probably faily intelligent in a Terry McMillanesque way, but what a pity.....the antithesis of anything good for the Black Family......
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Name:
Industrypro
Comment: The Amistad is promoting racial diversity by sailing to all of the slave ports that existed during the African slave trade. www.Amistadamerica.org. Lets highlight some of the good things that are happening!
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Name:
Debonair
Comment: LAKat> Way ahead of you, my friend. People are not aware that Puerto Ricans consists of a combination of Indian( i keep forgetting the tribal name),Spaniard and African, as there were ports in those islands owned by the British in the 1600's.
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MistaO
Comment: Who said it "Rudeness is a weak man's imitation of strength". What eva for all the non sense, what it all boils down to is just look at all the idiocy and double sided comments here. Some people are down for Black people but hate Black men, some hate Black women, I'll tell you we have been totally "mastered". When you can turn a people against themselves, the oppressor has nothing to worry about. We keep ourselves in "check" with our own self hate and nonsensical nonsense. By the way, I love Black women, always have, always will! Hate if ya want, nothing like um...
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: Debonair, the Taino Indians called Puerto Rico Boriken. Descendants of this mixed ancestry you refer to sometimes use the term Boricuan.
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Name:
dcdouglass01
Comment: BrownOne, exactly (on your last comments concerning MelodyCool). Further eveidence MC is insane? She said: "You should never have mentioned Will Smith. All he does is scours the world looking for nonblack women to pay opposite of him." And when the fairy tale movie making is over, who does Will go home to? But really, seriously, is that all he does? Scour the world looking for a nonblack woman as his lead? Granted, Will ain't the most conscious brother out there (although he's more conscious than most think), but I'm sure he does more than scour. And didn't a Black woman appear as his wife in his last release (as the once homeless Wall Street broker)?
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Name:
indipindintthnkr
Comment: Oh lets face it. The world 3xs over has gotten rich off the backs of Blacks and every time, every single got dayum time they want something it’s ‘WE’ but when WE as in US Black folk go looking for support….well in America, WE still make up some of the poorest mofos in the country. Let’s just call a spade a spade and say ppl are in this WE shyt for self. We’ve got China in Africa to this day milking the shyt out of what’s left of that cow. And this heifer was just %*$!ed she got only two responses on that original thread. Now if she didn’t get the message then that Blacks just weren’t interested, maybe this thread will do it. Majority of Black folks just don’t have her same passion about her idea regardless of whose working on the project. Hasn’t US coming out in groves this past weekend to see Tyler Perry’s film proof enough we want to see US?
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Name:
Exmun
Comment: Well at least you can't fault Ms. Valdes Rodriguez for a well-reasoned argument. She makes a good case.
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: Mista, Courageous could also be the ability to tell the truth and call a spade a spade without regard for the consequences....i make the same noise with or without a screen name....I know you say you love Black women, but do you have enough nuts to stand up as a black man........all Renetta and Melody did was spew hate on white people, latin people and black men of which you say you are one....you just got caught in the crossfire....stand up and pick a position chump....
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Name:
YLawdY
Comment: Can we realistically be expected to embrace those of African descent from other countries when we can't even get past light skin vs. dark skin among our "own". At times, we are our own worst enemies.
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Name:
wordonthestreet
Comment: I contacted her and I must admit that my assumptions about her are all wrong. The truth of the matter is that she is our Sistah and we should support her but I'm not surprised that some of you are not because as Black folks we hardly support one another anyway. Though this I've learned that we all need to do our homework before we make judgements. Frankly, I support her project and I will pray for her continued success.
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Name:
LAKat
Comment: Aight...I'm tired of this back and forth. Let's ALL go have a drink...or a few!! LOL. There is a really cool African American OWNED bar in downtown L.A. called The Reserve. Let's meet there from 6p-8p tonite.Here's the info:
626 Spring St., Los Angeles
213-627-9800 or www.626reserve.com
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Name:
MistaO
Comment: TheBrownOne - To be candid, it's not always about grinding someone down whom you don't necessarily agree with. IMHO especially a sister, then again that's just me. Now of course, if you've read my posts I don't subscribe to this Black male bashing but would rather "reclaim" some of these wrong thinking sisters vs. push them further over the edge. Side Note: Especially since many of them have children at home, both boys and girls, who they exert influence over. Now that being said, I'd much rather try and reason with some of these sisters than calling them dummies and what not. Just my stance on it, you don't have to agree but check it, eventhough I may not agree with some Black folk, so long as they not idiots out here harming other Black people I'm kind of willing to at least listen without an agressive comtemptuous attitude. Sometimes in debates or arguments it helps not to be too emotional, especially when we are dealing with some of our women.
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: I would take ya up on that LaKat if i wasn't back east this week.....nice suggestion though.....
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Name:
dcdouglass01
Comment: All right LAKat. See you there.
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Name:
Debonair
Comment: BrownOne> Thanks, you're on point! Y Lawd Y> Your post only gives evidence to the internal plight of many other races on light vs brown- Cambodians and Hindu Indians have similar issues with their Japanese counterparts sometimes, just as dark and light Latinos do. Just like( although i kind'a thought it was a dead issue with us)we do.
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Name:
YLawdY
Comment: LAKat ...you buying plane tickets too?
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: WEll put Mista, thanks for the intelligent dialogue, but I would liken your approach to Martin and mine to Malcom and in a couple of your posts, you tend to placate their positions past compromise, but I will embrace your rationale in the sense that I attacked them as opposed to me attacking their misguided idealogies which are very "dumb" for the record. In my opinion, we must become more collective and vigilant in the fight against these attitudes that are destoying our families through this ignorance. It's like we can understand that a heart attack kills, not realizing the underlying silent culprit is high blood pressure most times. These attitudes are an infectious, contagious form of high blood pressure silently eroding the vessels need to breath life into our relationships again. As we examine why there aren't men in single parent homes, even though men have challenges, we MUST conversely understand that women make a choice to have kids and drive some men away. Who in their sane mind would come home to a Melody. lol. We must attack our family healing needs wholistically and I refuse to sit on the sideline while the world throws black men under the bus provoking our women to share in the push while some men take the bait to....I'm a fighter not a lover.....
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Name:
DOne
Comment: > Melodycool. What is your definition of black? I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from. At times I get it; but at others I am lost. Base on your comments here and on past EUR topics, you seem to have issues with fair skin blacks, mixed blacks, all blacks from any country other than the US, black males. So exactly what is your definition of black? Also, probably 95% of black male leads in movies have black females leads. We also know that 90% of all black men who marry marry black women, so why is there so much focus on the 5% and 10%?
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Name:
Debonair
Comment: At some point in SOMEONE'S life( i won't mention names) they were thrown in a locked clostet in the dark and beaten with a rusty wire hanger until it was truly incorporated into them that Black men ain't sh!t and neither are Latinos,Asians, Arabs,Indians, mixed Blacks, light Blacks, Brown Blacks, Black Blacks( you get the picture)......
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Name:
NYCsoul
Comment: MistaO> I totally feel what you are saying but let me say this. As a person who came from a African-Caribbean background, I have heard all the same negative connatations from both sides about each other. I've had to school my Caribbean kinfolks that their experiences growing up is totally different than those that grow up American. However, the oppressor is the same, no matter where Africans are in this world. When we all recognize this whether we speak Spanish, French, Portuesgue or English, we would be a force to be reckon with. I totally agree about the lack of Black on black love stories in Hollywood however, we need to do like our African breathren which is create your own movie industry. Right now, Nigerian movies are the hottest commodity coming out of Nigeria. All African written, produced and directed. Our American brothas & sistas need to stop begging and do the damn thing!
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Name:
NYCsoul
Comment: TheBrownOne> Not for nothing, but how can you talk about 'intelligent dialogue' when half of your posts deingrate and are virtolic against MelodyCool? I don't agree with all that she is saying either but I'm not going to attack her and call her names. It's one thing to disagree with her views but it's quite another when you are doing the same thing yet you chastise her. This seems very contradictory to me.
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MelodyCool
Comment: indipindintthnkr, she saw what WE did for Tyler Perry's movie and wants to cash in on Black gullibility. The same way THEY appreciate being seen with one another it's the same for some of US Blacks. So glad you understand!
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Name:
CrazzeeGyrl
Comment: Mother, mother, there's too many of you crying Brother, brother, brother, there's far too many of you dying You know we've got to find a way To bring some lovin' here today, hey Father, father, we don't need to escalate You see, war is not the answer, for only love can conquer hate You know we've got to find a way To bring some lovin' here today, oh Picket lines - sister - and picket signs - sister Don't punish me - sister - with brutality - sister Talk to me - sister - so you can see - sister Oh, what's goin' on - what's goin' on, what's goin' on - what's goin' on Heah, what's goin' on - what's goin' on, oh, what's goin' on - what's goin' on Ah ah - ay-ay-ay-ay-ay - right on - right on - ay-ay-ay-ay-ay Mother, mother, everybody thinks we're wrong Oh, but who are they to judge us Simply 'cause our hair is long Oh, you know we've got to find a way To bring some understanding here today, oh oh oh Picket lines - brother - and picket signs - brother Don't punish me - brother - with brutality - brother Come on, talk to me - brother - so you can see - brother Now what's goin' on - what's goin' on, yeah, what's goin' on - what's goin' on Tell me what's goin' on - what's goin' on, I'll tell you now what's goin' on - what's goin' on Ooooh - right on - right on - ay-ay-ay-ay-ay
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: Which part is contradictory NYCsoul? I consistently attacked her ignorant attitude. So are you saying that because I used the term Dumb AZZ and that you wouldn't use that term then that means I denigrated her or was vitriolic. I meant all of that in the most literal sense. I am just curious to know what same thing as her am I doing?
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: NYCsoul, he attacks me (to no avail) because he's one of those who places every other race above Blacks and doesn't want to be challenged. Obviously, I could care less!
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Name:
NYCsoul
Comment: TheBrownOne> The point is, in a nutshell, that you said that she's hateful....fine. But you are being just as hateful yet you also preaching about tolerance and what not. I find that contradictory.
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TheBrownOne
Comment: Ignorance to me NYCsoul is someone saying, I wouldn't do this, so neither should others as if that argument would warrant any merit in an intellectual debate. Again, Martin wanted to peaceful march and Malcolm wanted to smack somebody if defiance of their arrogance and bigotry. Don't hate me because my style is confrontational and you are flowery and poetic.
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: DOne, black male actors clamor for actresses who are nonblack and some black men have actually expressed anger over black men having Black women play opposite them. It's quite noticeable...which is why Tyler Perry is receiving our support.
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: "THERE IS A BROWN ONE, WHO DOESN'T LIKE THE GREEN ONE WHO DOESN'T LIKE THE FAT ONE, WHO DOESN'T LIKE THE SKINNY ONE, DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS!!!! AAAAGGGH!
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: So then riddle me this, Mr. NYC soul. Is it hate that rebukes oppression? Is it hate that shuns the devil? Is it hate that picks up arms and fights against the unjust? You label my passion for my people as hate, While I view it as a courageous effort to step to the frontline in this battle against the unspoken ignorance that's eating at our people from the inside out while you sit on the sidelines with your cup begging for alms and singing kumbaya not realizing that the enemy has infected the minds of those that stand with us. So this " tough love " that I'm dishing out definitely ain't hate in my book. I sincerely hope it agitated her little brain enough to give a brother somewhere a break from her vile condition. Hate is stereotyping and lumping any one group of people together as if they all have the same exact thoughts because of their race, color, or creed. Bigotry. I loathe Melody's attitude on the sole basis of the individual ignorance she's displayed in this forum with no regard for her color nor lack of understanding of COLOR.
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MistaO
Comment: Martin v. Malcolm? Nah, sorry but when it comes to our sisters we can't afford to show nothing but love in my opinion. There has been more than enough hatered within our fam. What kills me though is that the same people that get all worked up about us saying something negative towards an "outside" group, have now qualms at all about attacking our sisters, misguided or not. There's a way to do everything sans they type of disrespect shown in some of the posts here. I'd much rather see thinking brothers use that agressive, militant approach towards our real enemies v. our sisters, we aint gonna rise otherwise. A house divided....you know the rest.
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Name:
NYCsoul
Comment: TheBrownOne> You seemed to be a little obsessed with the word 'hate'. If it's about love for you, then focus on that. You can be as confrontational as you want but to me, your argument loses steam when you start attacking people personally. Attack the ideas but not the person. Again, as I stated, I don't agree with everything she said however, I'm not going get into 'verbal beatdown' to prove how 'intelligent' I am. People make the world go around and I don't know what is going on in someone's heart and in their head. I love all my brothas and sistas so just as much as I don't 'hate' you for your confrontational style, don't 'hate' me for being 'flowery' or whatever you want to call it. My language may not work on everyone but there's no guarantee that yours does either.
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: TheBrownOne, as long as your misguided opinions do not register on this end, I'm fine with your pathetic sounding drivel. End of...
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Name:
NYCsoul
Comment: TheBrownOne> I'm leaving for the day so don't be offended if I don't respond....Everyone enjoy the rest of the evening. I'm out! :)
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: WE need to drop squad you mista O to get the point. How can you preach on a house divided when the people I take issue with are women of any color that hate Black Men. Did you miss something? The people I confronted were confronted solely on the premise of their hate for black men and ignorance towards other cultures. Where does your don't speak bad of black women lullaby come in? McFly? hello? ARe you the man of your house or are you ruled by your woman? it's ok to speak out against a woman's negative attitude towards black men Mista. We all love sisters, but a spade is a spade and I'm about sicked and tired of the negative attitudes the world has of Black Men with guys like you leading the chorus. Be A Man. Stand UP.
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Name:
LAKat
Comment: TheBrownOne & MelodyCrazy...ya'll should just sleep with each other and get it over with....Sounds like sexual tension!! LOL
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Name:
khufu
Comment: TAino, Arawak, Carib.....
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Khgufu color struck? LOL MELODY you got serious issues...I bet you have dark skin, natural hair style and blue contact lenses
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Khufu colour struck?
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: LOL, NYC, you were the one that said I was being hateful.....shaking my head in disgust
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Name:
khufu
Comment: I asked MelodyCool to define "Black" and she wont/cant do it.....
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: Maybe that's a good idea LA, a trio with Crazy lady and Renegga......OK, I'll take one for the team.....lol....it's about self sacrifce right?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MAYDAY
prove that Hispanics overwhelmingly vote Republican
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Name:
khufu
Comment: we need more Mississippi Masalas..
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: LAKAT>CTFUPP!!! IHATEYOUIHATEYOUIHATEYOU!!!....COMMERE AND LET ME %*$! THE SHYEATT OUT OF YOU!!!! LOL!
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: MistaO, isn't this ALWAYS the case? --->"What kills me though is that the same people that get all worked up about us saying something negative towards an "outside" group, have no qualms at all about attacking our sisters, misguided or not."---->In a nutshell, BrownOne has more consideration for others above his own.
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Name:
LAKat
Comment: I love this dialogue. I invite all of you to call into a free conference line i just created: 218-936-1200, access code 1122...I AM WAITING!! :-)
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Name:
FiveMore
Comment: All this hate over two crummy comments!Don't make any sense at all!In a way, I am glad that it happened so you can see who is who, and what is what!"You either with me or you aint,"James Brown.1968
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: So get this, MelodyCrazy thinks that I should have more consideration for her because of her skin color. How ironic, yet she doesn't like anyone else with this skin color. LOL. When Valdez-Rodriquez( the writer that ignorance allowed us to forget that this discussion was about) has more respect for my skin color and for my heritage of which we both share. The only thing Melody and I have in common is born in America with dark skin. You have convinced me that that isn't enought more me to say I have any consideration for you. I definitely have more respect for any color size or shape that has more respect for Black Men than your despicable representation of a beautiful hue. So yes, I love my people of AFrican descent, but realize that I must judge sisters and brothers on more than just color. You have been an inspiration. Hope you have more merits than your race card to rally behind. It's Pretty lonely out there, which I'm sure you already know.
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Name:
LAKat
Comment: I see a divorce for TheBrownOne & MelodyCrazy...LOL
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: FiveMore, it's mindboggling...all this over 2 very short comments. On another note, there's a study that concluded Blacks are more favorable/accepting of other minorities than the other way around. (We already knew this.) Nonblack minorities will bond together when it comes to hating and attacking Blacks too. Too bad some of the men here don't realize this.
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Name:
FiveMore
Comment: LAKat>What are you all talking about?Melody,I was truly bothered by the constant heartless attacks.This is a form of black on black crime;we are killing each other with mean words.Boy, this was a mess.I'm out fro today.BTW, THEBrownOne-> This ignorant self hating negrow is going off to read her textbooks.lolPeace
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Name:
dcgal
Comment: khufu - ur sad
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Name:
LAKat
Comment: FiveMore = Hippicrit
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: Melody, why would anyone bond with you? because you seem black?
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: TheBrownOne, it takes very little for nonblack women to convince men like you of anything. I've seen that so often. You eat out of anyone's hand at the drop of a hat. Now I consider it a weapon when they turn it loose on gullible black men such as yourself. See how easy you are??
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: TheBrownOne, why?...because I'm like other nonblacks...I put my OWN first. This is something you can't claim. You're so busy lapping up whatever juices the writer is leaking you can't see you're actually being played by a master. Most nonblack women bank of black men with your mindset.
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: Brown-nose, please report back once you get a serious wake-up call. Promise?
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: Brown-nose, go post on the "light skinned only" thread. See how some of us are? Pathetic ain't it??
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: Melody Melody Melody, the more you type, the more obvious it is that you are to be pitified rather than scorned......you incited this entire riot almost single handedly with just a lil help from your cousins, Renegga, FiveMO, and MIsta. IT's more laughable now because I see what your working with. So how can you care about black if black men are so sorry and gullible and weak and won't ever stand behind women. LOL. Seriously, I am so sorry it's been so hard on you with black men, young lady. Though you are dark like me and your attitude is foul, I know that there is some beauty deep deep deep down in there somewhere past the pain. I LOVE you in spite of YOung sister, just like I do my drunk uncle, that just don't know much else, but doing his best to ease the pain with what he has. I'm out.
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Name:
mseffy
Comment: I haven't been on this board for several months. The headline of this story and those like it are a large reason why. The remainder is because even negative comments like this one feed an insatiable machine that is hungry for celebrity no matter what, often thinly disguised like this story, in outrage.
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Name:
mseffy
Comment: I guess only a handful of us noticed that this woman is saying the hatred is blacks toward Latinos!!! ISN'T THE REVERSE ALSO TRUE??? But no comments on the numerous hate crimes visited on blacks by Latinos. Apparently she isn't familiar with the latest example of Latin Machismo in Palmdale, when a security guard man-handled a 14 year old. GIRL!!!
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: mseffy, it's sad how "certain" Blacks on this thread are being bamboozled without focusing on the larger picture. She's trying to snooker Blacks while feigning ignorance to the hatred we are responding to. Remember what happened on that Newark schoolyard. We won't ever get anywhere until we place our own first and foremost. Some just don't get this concept even when they observe it in others.
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: Brown-nose, I could care less what you "imagine" some black man has done to me. You can savor all the ideas you like, but it won't make them true. I hope you ponder the reasons why you are so hasty to attack me because of your own paralyzing "FEAR" of confronting your real adversary.
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Name:
LAKat
Comment: Heffas go to sleep!
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: EF U, LAKat. Take your "denatured" self to the devil. You're just mad no one showed up on your chat line. Get lost faker!
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Name:
LAKat
Comment: MelodyCrazy, as you have been through this entire blogg---you were absent (including your mind). There were several of us on the line and we had a great discussion. Apparently you are a recluse and must hide behind words. Have a goodnight...and by the way, I hear walgreens is having a sale on batteries.
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Name:
gsmooth
Comment: i just had to say something about this B.S latinos are not in no hurry to identify with black folk so f77k them to who the hell is this %*$!(@! the brown one how he no so damn much about everything %*$! him to
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Name:
Robbyroc
Comment: It does not matter what part of the world you go to, Dark skinned people are treated different that light skinned in all nationalities. Just look into the parliaments and governments of most countries especially South American countries dark skinned representation is far and few.
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: gsmooth, they "attempt" to identify when it's to their benefit. The writer is a prime example of this practice. I hope most Black folks keep this in mind.
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: LAKat, speaking of batteries...how many do you go through per week using that pocket puzzy you sleep with? I making my xmas list early.
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Name:
Debonair
Comment: Most of this has NOTHING to do with the topic on hand. I love intelligent discussions and debates!!!!!!
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Name:
NYCsoul
Comment: I'm back. :) BrownOne: You used the word 'hate' alot in your last previous post to me. That's what I was responding to. For someone who keeps injecting Dr. King, it seems totally contradictory in the way you continually go back and forth with the name calling. Dr. King was against hate and was also confrontational but he also did it from a place of love. I don't see that here. I don't have attack people and beat them in the fonts just to get a point across. The conversation just becomes counterproductive. Which is exactly what has happened....
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TheBrownOne
Comment: NYC..What's counterproductive in any conversation is when one person doesn't listen or in this case read, but just responds emotionally irrespective of the points that were made. Which gender are you by the way? First of all, I never compared myself to King if you read anything I said. I used the analogy ,which was all it was, comparing your approach to Kings and mine to the by any means necessary philosophy of Malcolm X. Secondly, you made a point that I contradicted myself and when I asked you to clarify, you said that I spoke in "hate". I spent the next entry showing you that your perspective didn't make sense considering that my entire argument in this whole thing has been about rebuking the hateful words of those that hate Black Men and our Latin Brother's and sisters solely on the basis of their skin color and language. Now that's hate. The hate that you are defending. Would I be wrong to call Willie Lynch and Hitler, Dumbazzes? Because in my view, the idiots that I've ranted against are in the same mind set to me. Again, I attacked individuals on the sole basis of their displayed ignorance and intolerance not their religion, language, or skin color which by literal and most accounts is the definition of Hate.
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NYCsoul
Comment: theBrownOne> You have totally missed the point of what I'm trying to say. You can be right as the day is long but it was the way you say it. Again, and since you accused me of not 'reading', I am not 'defending' or 'agreeing' with Melody's position but I do not see what is productive in calling her names. That has been my point all along. I totally agree with what Khufu is saying because we live in the same city, know the history and know the experiences with our Latino breathren. But it is all about approach. For instance, if you were teaching a class about the historic link between the Africans & Hispanics, would you use the same approach with a student who had the same views as MelodyCool? There's alot to be learned but I just don't think it's cool to cuss folks out or deingrate them just prove how right or wrong we are. I honestly I prefer Brother Malcolm and while his style was confrontational, he never found the need to deingrate his black audience.
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TheBrownOne
Comment: Maybe you and I know a different history of Malcolm and many leaders before their reform. Plus I didn't denigrate an audience I cussed out an online idiot. For the record, my family grew up with Malcolm and trust me when I say that he cussed out for than a few. Also, I never disagreed that you were saying that I should be easy on her and speak in love, but we have family in the Dominican Republic and I have dark skin and these peoples hateful attitude towards my race and gender reminds me of the KKK, HItler, and other racist attitudes regardless of her saying she is black on this page. I guess you may have a loving, turn the other cheek attitude when someone attacks your family or beliefs with vile hate like that, but I don't. All teacher student bets are off at that point. Do you think that DAvid Duke, KKK grandmaster, would appreciate your flowery lecturers and listen to you because of your loving points. Point is, you told me how you would do it, but again, I'm a fighter not a lover, so to each his own. I'm a black panther in the mind and that attitude of bigotry is the enemy so don't get caught up trying to suggest that people should do what you do otherwise we would all share your screen. Freedom is the right to be different. Do you stand for anything? or would accept everything patiently like a Buddhist monk in love and forgiveness.
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NYCsoul
Comment: thebrownone> I have stated on this board time and time again as to what I stand for. I support and love African, regardless of what region of the world they are from. Just because somebody does not agree with your method in trying to 'school' someone does not make them any less of a fighter or lover, for that matter. Being a 'fighter' is subjective. Again, if someone like MelodyCool was a student with the same beliefs, would you respond to them in the same way? Let's just agree to disagree. I gotta go!
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MelodyCool
Comment: Brown-nose, it's just awful what's happening back in your country: ---->http://vivirlatino.com/2005/11/23/racism-and-a buse-in-the-dominican-republic.php ---->Racism and abuse in the Dominican Republic
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amethyst
Comment: Wow, I'm a Black woman who loves, trusts, supports and believes in Black men. Let me go on record and say I don't have ANY friends like Melody and Renetta. Sisters, what the heck happened between you and Black men? I have never heard such strong, vicious disdain for Black men. I hope your feelings at least resulted from several experiences, and not from one or two involvements with Black men. Also, we have to check ourselves and question if we have any responsibility for choosing to deal with certain individuals. We are not always victims; sometimes we make wrong decisions to let people into our lives and hearts.
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LAKat
Comment: amethyst: Hallelul-er. I mean, hallelulah!
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: I LOVE U Amethyst........lol.....Good to hear a woman feel that way....
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MelodyCool
Comment: amethyst, like I said it's possible to learn from the mistakes of others same as I've done. I really don't think you realize what your brothas express about Black women to all who will listen. There's very little love for you and they have no problem elevating all nonblack women over Black women. Know that!
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amethyst
Comment: Melody - I 1000% disagree with you. I, like most people over 30 years of age, have had some disappointing relationships. However, I have experienced enough love, respect and support from Black men as father, uncle, friend, and boyfriend to not make a generalization of all Black men. And the men who have come into my life are totally down for the sisters, they aren't paying any attention to non-Black women. I respect your opinion if it's based on your personal experiences, because my positive outlook on brothas is based on my experiences. It just saddens me that a sister who hasn't had the good experiences that I have is so hurt. Since you feel such disdain for Black men do you exclusively date non-Black men?
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realuvbaby
Comment: MelodyCool and Renatta. I swear I must go back to 1st grade reading because I tell you, I just read all these posts. At the risk of getting skewered, I will say that I agree with each of you. I didn't get that either of you had problems with black men. You were both stating the truth as you saw it. Others choose to disagree, but I must say I know where you're coming from. And I have nothing but love from black men, though they were somewhat lacking in many departments, including employment, having intimacy issues, being unable to lead, and being intimidated by strong women. Not all men, mind you. I'm speaking of the ones I know.
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realuvbaby
Comment: Having said that, I totally feel you on the black love issue. I remember when Hitch came out. I was like WTF? Why does Will Smith have a latina for a wife AGAIN? Why isn't Nia Long or Gabrielle Union or any number of black actresses in Hollywood not paired with him and Denzel on screen. I was told that when they make these movies, they want to reach a global audience and they found that when a black men was paired with a black woman, the movie didn't do too well overseas. So in order for the mass appeal, they will always put a black woman with a latin woman because the world found that more palatable. No one wanted to see a black couple making love on the screen. Again, WTF? Will Smith has a black wife. As does Denzel, yet they don't get black wives on screen. The black woman is not represented, so I feel you. When was the last time anyone made a movie where the lead was black? Ike and Tina? So, in order for Hollywood to make money off their movies with black men, they cannot put a sister up there? I found khufu and thebrownone to be very offensive to insinuate that you feel that way because you've been hurt and have some hatred for black men. The proof is right there? Could someone please tell me what was the last movie that had a black woman and a black man in a lead that had sex on screen? I'm with you, for real. [cont]
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realuvbaby
Comment: 2 khufu: I think the better question for you to ask is to ask the Latinas if they are sisters. I lived in NYC for 40 years. In my 40 years there, it was my experience, especially when I began to work, that Puerto Ricans [which were the majority hispanic before the mexicans came] were so anti-social. They lived among us because white folk didn't want them living with them. Just because they lived among us, that didn't mean they had love for black folk. They could not afford to live with the white folk. But they dressed like us, lived among black folk, used words like "%*$!(" but did not really identify with black people, and I think because their skin color was different and they could pass. At the office Christmas parties, the old white men headed straight for the hot latin women and the latin women ate it up because at least they were getting some attention. Everybody who has skin next to yours, doesn't mean that they in love with you. They held on to their culture and were very clicky. There were no "sistas" in their click because we didn't speak spanish.
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realuvbaby
Comment: to khufu who asked if J-Lo was a sista. The answer is NO. J-Lo is a Puerto Rican. She is an American. But she is not a sista. And that Panamanian woman you were banging, ask her if she was a sista? She would tell you no. A "sista" is a term used largley for AFRICAN AMERICANS. This Panamanian chick would tell you that she's black, yes, but she is not a sista, because she is Panamanian. I lived in Flatbush. I have had many of my Carribbean sisters tell me to my face they were that I was different. That I was not like the other American blacks who they thought of as lazy, criminals and not taking advantages of the opportunities that were given. I was on a beach in Jamaica with a St. Lucian, a Trinidadian and some Jamaicans who were engaged in a conversation wherein they were slamming American Blacks as criminals, lazy, etc. I was appalled. They told me how they would NEVER date an American guy. They found issue with everything about Black American men from their gold teeth to their sagging pants. To their selling drugs. To them not working. To them not being able to do anything for them. How they'd only date their own. That black men were thugs and roughnecks. So you are right on the money with your %*$essment, in my opinion and experience. These folk want to come here and ride our backs, yet they have no love or respect for us. Even the Africans coming from Africa got no love for us. The black woman has had to endure a lot of pain, not unlike the black man. However, when it comes to black women, the only ones we have is each other. Black men think we've got too much attitude. White men think we are sexual conquests. White women hate us because white men fantasize about us. The only ones who truly got a sista's back is another sista. Those sistas who have husbands, etc. holding them down, cherish that. If black women are bitter, than many of us have a lot to be bitter about. It must be wonderful for the black man to know he is so desired by other women, but many black men for the most part think with their penises and their pockets and not their heads. Sure these women would bed you because of the myth, but dollars to donuts if they had their choice for anything long-term, trust me, they are sticking to their own kind.l From where I'm sitting MelodyCool and Renatta, I share your opinion and you are right on. The crowd will try to wear you down and beat you up, but it's also my experience that the crowd is always wrong. I have yet to see a Black American represented on any spanish media. But truly, if the birth of civilization is in Africa, then everyone is an African, right? Yea, it's ok for Will Smith to have a Latina, but let Halle Berry get a white man, then h.e.l.l. breaks loose. I applaud your courage to stick to your guns because they don't get what you're saying.
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realuvbaby
Comment: If Africa is the birthplace of civilization, then everyone on the planet is African, right? I believe that if there was a Latino in hollywood with the juice Ms. Chase had, this wouldn't be an issue because every group takes care of their own except Blacks. We all have different experiences and your whole life shouldn't be judged based on some COMMENTS on a blog. All the Melody and Renatta bashers need to be ashamed of themselves. This is not about their whole lives. This is about an opinion about one subject. I happen to agree with them and some of MistaO, but he loses me when he bashes the two of you. Hold it down, because you are right and this time, as is most times, the crowd is wrong . . . in my OPINION.
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Name:
realuvbaby
Comment: Name: Renetta Comment: two of the male romantic interests in the book are of African descent – THIS IS MY ISSUE. I'm tired tired tired of the invisible black actress. I'm tired of black men being paired with hispanic women as though WE don't exist. And I have NEVER heard ANY hispanic people rush up and say 'yes we are part Arfican' NEVER. So fck her and her film/book whatever. What about black female screenwriters with stories about BLACK MEN and BLACK WOMEN? I'd rather see that. I have no interest in watching a film about 6 hispanic women TWO of which are involved with OUR brothers. She can read this and weep some more. **** WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COMMENT?
Except the f her part. I wouldn't go that far but . . .
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Name:
realuvbaby
Comment: Name: MelodyCool Comment: It foolish for Black to pander to Latinos as they only care about "la raza" and "la raza" alone. This is one page from their book that Blacks should apply to our "OWN". I wonder if the writer of this piece had anything to say when Whoopi Goldberg proposed playing Celia Cruz in a movie about her life. I doubt it. I'm sure we all remember the uproar from Latinos over this idea. Blacks will get nowhere constantly looking out for the welfare of others knowing full well how these people feel about Black folks! All of them have used Blacks as stepping stones along the way and will never lend a supporting hand in any of our causes. It's every man for himself as far as I'm concerned! Go on brownpride.com to see how much hatred they nurse for Blacks.**** WHAT'S WRONG HERE? I KNOW IT HURTFUL, BUT IS IT A LIE??
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Name:
realuvbaby
Comment: What is wrong with black on black love? Why is it when a black woman speaks her minds with passion, that woman has to have an "attitude", be "aggressive" or "confrontational". Sometimes there is no nice way to say sh**. Men who call women "dumb azz n.i.g.g.a.s. expect what from a black woman? Black man, should I have love for you when you call me out of my name. Truth is, it cuts both ways and it's about respect. Once you give it, you can demand it. We are all African, really. Out of the darkness comes the light. The European/Latin man "evolved" from the Black man. Remember, the world was void and DARK. Once upon a time the world was one color. However, since the colors were introduced the people of the darker hues were the most discriminated against in ANY [perhaps EVERY] culture. All black folk do not see a global world view because not every black person has had a global world view experience. I'm not anti-anyone. I'm pro-black and if functioning black on black love is not even desired by the world because it doesn't make money, then and as a AFRICAN AMERICAN woman, I find that offensive.
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: There is nothing fair about the business of entertainment.....it, like life, follows the color of green.....
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Name:
LAKat
Comment: realuvbaby :As you have so eloquently stated, this country and the world has issues. Will you see them change in your lifetime, probably not. The reality is, black men date out of their race.Black women date out of their race, so what. Our lives on this world is a blink compared to eternity. When you arrive to Heaven, God is not gonna pat you or MelodyCrazy on the head and say,"You did well my daughter by being a strong black woman and sticking with your race." He's gonna be proud of you and what you have done as a human being and how much love you have in your heart. This is 2007. Find it offensive if you may and get over it!
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