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Name: NueNue
Comment: The Noose is the new n word. Im tired of hearing about nooses and ignorant comments.(im in the air force and am an active member in numerous organizations trying to make a differance for us)We are fighting other contries over nothing. The least we could do is be civil in our own da*m country. A moden day civil war. I feel we make little progress as a nation. and this noose is another great example.
Name: fanteeking
Comment: As long as we, Black Folks, react hysterically to these "noose incidents" they will continue to occur. The racist power structure has discovered a new mechanism to make our existence uncomfortable in the wilds of north amerikka-----the noose. Let's stop flying off the handle. It's like a cowardly bully who can't beat you physically and knows it, but resorts to sticking their tongues out to make you mad. Ignore them and they'll go away!
Name: Brettino
Comment: Anyone checked to see where Suge Knight was at the time it happened?
Name: nightshift
Comment: Brettino, I think you're on to something! Who of all people would not look unsual around a stature of Tupac? An African American! Or somebody that can pass by with nary a second glance. It's not like this can't happen. Black folks are doing alot of things nowadays that we wouldn't ever do back in the day!! (i.e. serial killing)
Name: nightshift
Comment: Sorry: Statue
Name: eternallife
Comment: Okay...what did Tupac do to deserve a memorial and why are they soliciting funds? What happened to all his $$ ???
Name: McNasty
Comment: I agree, as long as we continue to react publicly the more this will occur. As for suge being a suspect he'd have to put down the guns first.lol
Name: chicagirl
Comment: eternallife, first off every organization solicits funds. why do you have to attack Pac! the subject was about a noose. do u care about that? are is your concern where is Pac's money? what have you done for your community lately? FYI: TUPAC was not just a rapper/actor/entertainer. he was a poet, and a fighter for things like this. if Pac was here, i know he would've been down in Jena! DON'T HATE ON PAC! DO SOME RESEARCH ON THIS BROHTA! Oh, now i get it you were never a fan PEACE!
Name: McNasty
Comment: He was also a convicted rapist!
Name: khufu
Comment: Brilliant comment here... Name: NueNue Comment: The Noose is the new n word.
Name: khufu
Comment: However, the history of the African American in the US ilitary would lead one to discover several things: 1) the US military has always been racist towards people of color 2) Never has there been a war that the US been involved in that was justified (witht he exception of the North fighting the Confederacy) 3) therefore African Americans should stop fighting FOR their true oppressor Name: NueNue Comment: We are fighting other contries over nothing. The least we could do is be civil in our own da*m country. A moden day civil war. I feel we make little progress as a nation. and this noose is another great example.
Name: khufu
Comment: NUE NUE yep...when will you/they/we learn? Once you do these comments will disappear.. Name: NueNue Comment: We are fighting other contries over nothing. The least we could do is be civil in our own da*m country. A moden day civil war. I feel we make little progress as a nation. and this noose is another great example.
Name: khufu
Comment: FANTEEKING... 1) what do you suggest we do then? 2) how is it that we respond that youre defining as "hysterical?" My suggestion: Black folks start putting up nooses with lil white babies around.... white folks understand one thing and one thing only and it is not ehtical, spiritual or moral response........
Name: khufu
Comment: really? I love and respect his mother's legacy and his potential....and he did have some political consciousness, he couldnt help that because of his mom...but I think you might romanticize and exaggerate a bit...... Name: chicagirl Comment: FYI: TUPAC was not just a rapper/actor/entertainer. he was a poet, and a fighter for things like this. if Pac was here, i know he would've been down in Jena!
Name: QuickhiT
Comment: Thee who dine in HATE will die by his own fate. >>D rEOVLution>>> is here
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: This ish is getting so old. I say we ignore the sh**. Deal with it on the personal level and it will go away on the collective level. The problem we are trying to fight a war we were never meant to fight. Collectively as black folk our passions run deep, but we should no longer waste our passion discussing a war we'll never win. Racism is here to stay. It ain't going no where. We must play the hand we are dealt, and deal, albeit constructively. ur passion about our pain runs the deepest and there are some forces who intend to use our passion against us. At first it was shocking, now it's ignorance. So stop the madness. I ain't in it with their dumb azzes. Don't hide . . . out with it. So let them hate if you will. You've got be real ugly inside or just feel generally effed all the way up to just hate for hating. If you believe in the BLACK BEAUTY, you'll know they will never kill the spirit or the root, just as DuSable [Chicago founder?] NEXT?!! Ride Natty Ride! Ride thru this storm of nooses! Through the day through the nite we ride, we ride, we ride . . . how you like it? how you like it?
Name: fanteeking
Comment: Khufu: Ignore stoopid shyt! I've seen racist scribblings in restrooms all over the country, but I don't go out into the middle of the floor and beat my head against the concrete and scream for the amusement of white folks. I say to myself, self, I refuse to give this racist the POWER to interfere with my spiritual harmony. I ignore it. That's the way I handle it. Whatever way you handle it is your business
Name: MistaO
Comment: Sad that some Black folk still think the "answer" is ingonring other groups attacks on us. Will we (as a collective) ever learn?....Also, Tupac was one of the most conscious rappers out here and many brothers could relate regarding the dichotomy between his love of Black people and our struggle and the facts of life in the "streets". Many of us can relate.
Name: khufu
Comment: Fanteeking I agree here Name: fanteeking Comment: I say to myself, self, I refuse to give this racist the POWER to interfere with my spiritual harmony. I ignore it. However, how does one's spirituality manifest socially? Does the spiritually conscious person not involve themselves in addressing injustice?
Name: khufu
Comment: by the way... are you all aware of the history of Stone Mountain, Georgia?
Name: SpecialK
Comment: fanteeking: Excellent post!
Name: chicagirl
Comment: McNasty, just because someone does time for a crime that does not make them guilty. KNOW THE WHOLE STORY! khufu, we are born of our parents and what they have in them is passed into us. But just because Afeni was a political figure, that does not mean her children would follow down that path. "romanticize and exaggerate about what? Again, this is so not on the subject of the Noose issue? Dang, i didn't know making a comment would i become the subject. thanks for the attention.
Name: Exmun
Comment: I guess we'll have to wait to see if the offender(s) were Black or white to determine if the noose was offensive/racist or not... since the offensiveness of the N-word depends on who's saying it.
Name: khufu
Comment: FANTEEKING....a bit much but necessary Detachment and Being Detached By Remez Sasson Detachment is an inner state of calmness and being uninvolved on the emotional and mental planes. It is definitely not indifference. People who are indifferent do not care about anything, and are not active and initiative. On the other hand, people who possess emotional and mental detachment can be very active and caring, though they accept calmly whatever happens. Such people accept the good and the bad equally, because they enjoy inner balance and peace. If they cannot do or change something, it does not disturb their peace of mind. If they are convinced of the importance of some action, they will pursue it whole-heartedly, and can ignore distractions easily. If they succeed with what they do, that is fine, and if they don't, they will either try again or forget the matter and move to something else. Count the number of times you got emotionally involved in something against your will and better judgment. How many times have you got angry, frustrated or disappointed? How many times have your moods swung high and low? Each time you tell yourself that next time you will stay cool and calm, and yet each time you forget what you said. When it comes to personal affairs, it is hard to stay emotionally uninvolved. You get involved, and this is quite natural, otherwise life would have been boring. Involvement makes life ticking and active. Yet, it advisable to develop at least some detachment, as this will help you in many situations. Detachment is important in daily life, in the pursuit of ambitions and on the spiritual path. It is of great importance to everyone, whether pursuing spirituality or material success. Every spiritual tradition speaks about detachment, but detachment cannot be confined only to spirituality.
Name: Grace12_34
Comment: Fanteeking, I totally agree with you. Last week I posted let the nooses be strung up, so long as they are not put around anyone's neck. NOW, we've got a noose around the neck of a statue!!! While I still feel the same way, I can't help but wonder whether we're going to see a noose around a LIVING person's neck next.
Name: khufu
Comment: FANTEEKING more at http://www.successconsciousness.com/index_000066.htm I am one who believes that detachment does not mean you ignore but that you do address without placing too much, how can i say, of one's own value into that thing you are addressing there is a difference between ignoring and detachment...
Name: khufu
Comment: brilliant especially in light of the history of Black people in America.....where we were convicted of things we either didnt do or in some cases jusitificed morally and ethically to do but not according to yt's judicial system Name: chicagirl Comment: McNasty, just because someone does time for a crime that does not make them guilty.
Name: khufu
Comment: LOL yes words have power you just said that about Tupac being a poet right? so you SHOULD know that comments mean a millions meanings and have the power to incite, evoke, provoke... Name: chicagirl Comment: Dang, i didn't know making a comment would i become the subject. thanks for the attention.
Name: khufu
Comment: ahhhh what does SPECIALK know about anything?
Name: SistaBigBone69
Comment: FANTEEKING***I concur
Name: khufu
Comment: CHICAGIRL.....you miss the point...the Noose itself, obviously, means a lot. SO a story about another noose being hung/haned means a whole lot... and a noose around the figure of Tupac means a whole lot more... that being the case do you think that folks' comments would only be about the one aspect of your interpretation of the story? No, sorry. Tupac has many meaning and values to so many different people so logically the wider and broader context of him and the noose will be played out. Wholistic thinking and wholistic consciousness is essential in 2007
Name: khufu
Comment: Holy modern miracles...another peanut speaks from the gallery Name: SistaBigBone69 Comment: FANTEEKING***I concur
Name: SpecialK
Comment: Grace & fanteeking: We are reacting exactly the way these cowardly, ignorant people want us to act. I'm not saying just totally ignore it but at the same time stop feeding into it. I'm sure that whoever is doing this is sitting back having a good laugh off of this but trust me, this will continue to happen because they know the reaction it gets. I totally agree with fanteeking, don't let that still your joy.
Name: SpecialK
Comment: khufu: Today is NOT your day!!
Name: khufu
Comment: not you FANTEEKING but complacet, lazy and do nothing (socially and politically) Black folks will use what you say as an excuse and justification to continue to remain complacent and victims...and actionless Again detachment is different than ignoring...
Name: khufu
Comment: LOL SPECIALK how are you? It is my day...everyday is...I knew you couldnt ignore me..and I wanted to prove my point about the power of words to incte and provoke.......thank you why couldnt you ignore me and practice what you just agreed with Fanteeking about? Just wanted to prove my point.....
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Exumn, now you outta quit. Nooses have been used but for no other reason than the hang someone. You can't compare that to words which often carry various meanings..whether we incoporate those meanings into our vocabulary or not.
Name: khufu
Comment: It has always amazed mte that when it comes to white folks there are some Black folks who say..."Turn the other cheek" and dont let anyone still your joy and peace... now, yesterday SPECIALK told me to eat sheet and die! LOL No would she say that to a white person hanging a noose? or would she simple ignore him/her? would she harbor and express that venom towards them as she does toward me---regardless of what I do towards her? yet she and others like her say, when it comes to white folks, ignore them and dont let anyone steal your joy....but will tell a Black person to wat sheet and die... strange...
Name: SistaBigBone69
Comment: KHUFU****LOL I am not getting ready to entertain your "76" posts which will eventually stray away.
Name: khufu
Comment: during the sixties, we marched against all the things we marched against based on stratgey of non-violence towrds the white folks hosing us and noosing us and beating us.... yet when the draft came, we voluntarily went to fight Vietnamese who did nothing to us........ where was our commitent to non-voilence when it came to Vietnam and the unjust war then? nah, nooses shouldnt be ignored....
Name: MOTHERSHIP
Comment: Thank you, Chica! I'm tellin' y'all shyt is a bout to get real ugly, up in the country with regard to African Americans in this country, not that it has been all that pretty, but just be prepared.
Name: khufu
Comment: SISTERBIG nah I was messing wiot you to prove the point that has already been made...:==) and its all related for those who can see....my point is... for every action there should be an equal opposite reaction whether it be words that always solicit response as I proved woth Special K and you or with the continued increases of noose hangings.. the nooses will only increase the more we ignore them.... and the actions will escalate btw, what is happening with the case re: the kidnapped, raped and tortured sistah in West Virginia?
Name: khufu
Comment: In 1914 the leader of the Atlanta chapter of the United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC), Caroline Helen Jemison Plane, and the Stone Mountain Confederate Memorial Association (SMCMA) had decided to carve a memorial on the side of Stone Mountain. Simmons may have selected Stone Mountain as the location of the ceremonies because of the planned memorial. Even more than the birth of the second KKK, the Confederate memorial gave Stone Mountain notoriety throughout the twentieth century. A product of the Lost Cause era, its proponents originally conceived the memorial as a symbol of the white South. In 1916 the SMCMA hired the renowned sculptor Gutzon Borglum, a northerner, to carve Robert E. Lee leading his Confederate troops across the mountain's summit. These whites hoped that the memorial would serve as a symbol of sectional reconciliation. World War I (1917-18) delayed the project until 1923. Then, in 1925, with only the head of Lee carved, a growing rift between the sculptor and the SMCMA over artistic control ended with the association firing Borglum, thereby halting construction. With the Great Depression of the 1930s, the Confederate memorial remained unfinished. It was not until the Courtesy of Georgia Department of Economic Development Stone Mountain 1950s that interest in (and funding for) the completion of the Confederate memorial was revived. Segregationists hoped that the memorial would serve as a reminder of white supremacy. According to historian Grace Elizabeth Hale, "The rising tide of African-American activism in the wake of the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education Supreme Court decision reignited broad interest in Confederate symbols as many white southerners fired up for 'battle' with the nation again." In 1958 the state of Georgia purchased Stone Mountain, making it a state park. Governor Herman Talmadge supported plans to complete the memorial. The state and the Stone Mountain Memorial Association (SMMA) agreed to carve the images of Confederate icons Robert E. Lee, Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson, and Jefferson Davis on the mountain and to construct a plaza at its base. In 1970 planners dedicated the memorial, and an estimated 10,000 visitors came to witness its unveiling.
Name: khufu
Comment: Since Courtesy of Georgia Department of Economic Development Stone Mountain Yellow Daisy the 1980s Stone Mountain has remained a tourist attraction, although many groups denounce the memorial as racist. Millions of tourists from around the world marvel at the natural scenery. The park has increased visitation by promoting such special events as the Yellow Daisy Festival, the Highland Games, and the Easter Sunrise services. Other attractions include a reconstructed antebellum plantation built in the 1960s, a skylift, a waterside complex, and a thirty-six-hole golf course. In 1996 Stone Mountain provided venues for three Olympic Games events: archery, tennis, and cycling. The most popular attraction in the park is the laser show. This show now symbolizes the promise of a New South, imposing over the Confederate icons another southern face: that of Martin Luther King Jr.
Name: khufu
Comment: sometimes incidents and events are biger than you see or know...good day stone mountain is a symbol for the Confederacy
Name: SpecialK
Comment: khufu: How old are you?
Name: PRDC
Comment: Cowards will do anything but show their faces. All we have to do is ask them to face up and go from there. A noose or a confederate doesn't scare me one bit...It then our ancestors but its a new crew out in this day and time.
Name: Exmun
Comment: @Chicagirl. "Comment: McNasty, just because someone does time for a crime that does not make them guilty. KNOW THE WHOLE STORY!" Doesn't make them innocent either. Don't forget to romanticize the part that the woman he was convicted of sexual abuse was Black.
Name: chicagirl
Comment: khufu, NO I DIDNT MESS THE POINT. DID YOU READ WHAT I RESPONDED TO? I guess not, I was not saying the nooses' were of no concern. My comment came from someone talking about ME! as your doing and forgetting or reflecting off the subject. AGAIN, I LOVE THE ATTENTION I AM GETTING. YOU'RE MY NEW HE/SHE-RO! Are you from the south? Have you ever been to the south? Try living the words of which you speak!
Name: Fran
Comment: I agree with the other posters that I dont care about a noose. A noose by itself is rope. But when you throw black kids in jail for years and let white boys go free I have a serious problem with that. People just want attention. I dont care about the noose. Throwing the book at black children is wrong. They should not even give it air time.
Name: Exmun
Comment: @Musbdherbs, " Nooses have been used but for no other reason than the hang someone. You can't compare that to words which often carry various meanings..." Au contraire my friend. What about Katt Williams' use of a noose at the recent BET Awards as a form of 'political protest'??? Talk about your double entendres. :)
Name: khufu
Comment: SPECIALK I am 777 years old and what's your concern?
Name: khufu
Comment: EXMUN..Kat WIlliams is ignorant and might have thought that was a political statement....he is a symbol for both the 1) the ignance permeating his generation and 2) the ignance that permeates the hip hop generation
Name: Exmun
Comment: http://blogs.sohh.com/atlanta/2007/10/katt_williams_w. html Katt Williams' protest with a noose.
Name: khufu
Comment: FRAN that's the point...the noose symbolizes the same phenom that the other N word does..it is rope yes.. but when you put it around the neck or door of a Black person or a statue the rope is no longer just a rope but a symbol that expresses thoughts, values , beliefs or maybe even planned actions.... question: do guns kill people or do people with guns kill people?
Name: g888
Comment: Tupac in Jena?HHHmmmm well considering that he would be 36 now that might be the case,while I remember him for music I liked,I also remember him for east coast vs. west coast and how he had no hesitation to tell even you the music buyer to kiss his a$$,now some will feel that you only want to bring up the negative,well on some songs like keep ya head up he had a message,but on others like hit 'em up where he insulted a man bragging about how he screwed his wife wasn't exactly political was it?while I believe it was a non black with the noose,considering that people like the DC snipers were black anything is possible,the noose incident will be another reminder that you are indeed in AMERIKKKA no matter who did it.
Name: khufu
Comment: FRAN there is a diorect correlation between the noose as symbol and the act of injustice against the Jena youth Might I suggest literature on the power and meaing of (cultural) symbols to understand the wider significance
Name: khufu
Comment: CHICA from New York originally...lived in SOUth (where I am) and have lived out the country......
Name: SpecialK
Comment: khufu: Here's a grown-up pill for you to take today cuz you have clearly been missing a couple of days. I know you have a major crush on me but you and I could never be because you see, I LIKE MEN!! LOL!!
Name: chicagirl
Comment: khufu, you have too much time on your hands. I can see that you do an action to get a re-action. you need attention, i do like the way you "speak". so, unlike you i have a job a need to get to. Be Blessed All! khufu: YOU NEED TO EXHALE! BABY!
Name: khufu
Comment: SPECIALK a crush naw.....we'd probably get along quite well though....LOL sistah I submit to your power of womaness and feminity I got nothin' but respect for you..you know why? 'Cause you dont back down...you go toe to toe...much respect
Name: Sexee
Comment: Nas do you still plan on naming your album N*gger? Do you still think that you can take power from the word? We perish due to lack of knowledge (or the perception of it).
Name: khufu
Comment: LOL CHica why do ou say I dont have a job? Because I m here? well then I uess no one here does huh? LOL including you and as you wwork for the man, your significance and value has increased three fold...LOL
Name: khufu
Comment: CHICA when I exhale the consciousness of my people ignites like a giant that's been sleep for 400 years when I exhale the planets momentarily still to let African ancestors pass singing songs that bid the angels dance, dance, dance I exhale and TRUTH lives... :--)
Name: khufu
Comment: when I exhale time goes motionless
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Ex..double entendre? Maybe so. However, Kat is the 'first' person I have ever heard of who has used a noose as a form of political protest or in any other way other than it's original purpose..the first. That in no way compares to the consistent use of the word nygger (in its various context) by black people over the course of several generations. That is an established, generational "trend." One silly comedian doing so doesn't make it a trend. BTW, I don't have a problem w/people symbolically using a noose to make a point. But since there is no established precedent of such, whoever uses it should be careful.
Name: khufu
Comment: MUSB....what was his political statement that HE stated?
Name: Fran
Comment: khufu, I agree with you that the noose is symbolic, but at this point people are clearly doing to invoke reactions. No one is leaving their name beside the noose saying I did it come get me. It is almost like copycat killers. They kill so that their actions can get the negative fame that the previous person got. It is thriving off our paying attention to it at this point. I am saying since that is clearly the motive, dont give it air time. It is cowardly acts that do not need attention, the more we give it, the more the fools are going to do it.
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: Brettino, lol <> Eternallife: have ya ever listened to Pac's lyrics? I loved that brother cos he sang about a lot of unity and positive stuff...that with the exception of "Dear Mama", never made it to radio. I really don't like rap too tough, but I have my exceptions and Pac's one of 'em. Whoa, lemme slow down. That's not to say that you have to like a brother. I just wanna state for the record that he's really not as bad as the media would have you believe.
Name: McNasty
Comment: Chicagirl be still - the whole story is no doubt on video.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Khufu..I have no idea. I didn't bother to read any coverage on Kat's reasoning and the noose. I think Ex posted a link to an article about it.
Name: McNasty
Comment: Oh and might you be 'romanticizing' the man that he was - 'just because he was convicted doesn't mean he was guilty' who gives a fukk - he was convicted and it will live in the record books for eternity.
Name: MOTHERSHIP
Comment: Kattgirl, Thank you. "Keep Ya Head" up, about Black women's struggles, "Dear Mama," there are a number of Pac songs that brought me to tears. We really don't know what we lost.
Name: Exmun
Comment: Wasn't a kid shot in the crossfire between Pac and his entorage and a rival? Didn't he carry a gun around like everywhere? What makes Pac any different than any other street thug who felt like using guns and force every damn where was just another thing to do? I'm not trying to spit on the man's grave, but this over romanticizing of Pac's life (as well as Biggie's) is disturbing. He was at times political. He was at times genious. But at other times he was a plain wreck and menace to society (before and after the incarceration on the sex charges). And a lot of his tomfoolery had nothing to do with any kind of political statements. I'm not sure I'd want to be Pac's neighbor while he was alive. Just sayin'. And while we can appreciate SOME of his lyrical genious now that he's gone, we should also be candid about whether he was the type of person that you'd want to live next door to. For me the answer is 'no thank you.' I don't need to get shot trying to pick up the newspaper.
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: We've got to ACT and stop REACTING. It's already Ugly up in here so we've got to choose our battles. Remember, that everyone did not leave Egypt. Some chose to stay.
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: McNasty> That case was bizare at best. There was not semon, no bruising and here's the biggest ooops he wasn't in the room when the other guys were having sex with her. He didn't bring her upstairs, it was reported that he was in the room sleeping. It was also reported that she gave him oral sex on a dance floor. We all know there have been brothers exonerated with more evidence. Now regarding these nooses, a month ago CNN had a Southern teen on television because he hung a noose. Someone spotted the teen and contacted the local authories. When I saw the perp, I was disgusted. The had a piture of He and his family sitting on the porch. I'm starting to wondering if more of this garbage is done by our very own, I hope not.
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: Exum> Would you have preferred Malcom Little living next door to you?? The answer would be a resounding "NO". He lived long enough to turn his life around as Malcom X.
Name: HHCassius
Comment: OMG I get on this board and khufu khufu khufu!!!! I feel like Jan Brady or something. But seriously, the time to ignore threats, intimidation, disrespect, defamation, are long gone. This ain't the day of turn the other cheek. You don't see the Jews or the gays turning the other cheek. They make people lose their f*cking jobs. They make people lose their f*cking jobs and not get hired on again to anything of the same stature <Isaiah Washington> <ahem> <ahem>. Some washed up star on The Hills or whatever friggin MTV-produced quasi-reality drivel is on makes obviously racist comments and he's just a blip on TMZ's radar for fifteen minutes. I think this all boils down to blacks as a community not having the power to make a difference in the same way as Jews, gays, Latinos, immigrants, or any other minority, ethnic, social, religious or otherwise. Black leadership doesn't matter if the folk who should follow are content wallowing in the murky depths of mediocrity.
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: eternallife > It's not what he has done, it's who cared enough to make sure it was done. You can receive a memorial if your family chose to put in long hours to make it so. Oh and your family don't need to use their funds they can raise funds. Now, you have been enlighted...
Name: Winn30344
Comment: Okay..here we go..this was a story of racist pigs hanging a noose around Tupac's statue and yet we have posters arguing the validity of Tupac and his background..WTF..this is just like the Bush administration..sidetracking the issue at hand by starting some b.s. on something else. Black folks wake up..this is an epidemic now..yt folks have lost their damn minds and ya'll up in here arguing about a man's legacy. These noose incidents are systematic of a larger problem that's been festering ever since Dubya's been in office and now (in my opinion) is surfacing with a force because we actually have a chance of electing a Black man as presidency. This is some serious 'ish and to dismiss it as childish pranks or nothing is not the answer.
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: Mothership: Thank you! "Keep Ya Head Up" got some radio play too. <> I wonder if along with the n word, Nas will have a noose on the cover...ya know, to cause controversy and boost sales? Hmmm... <> They're tryin' to take Amerikkka back to what was THEIR good ol' days. They're not gonna be happy until one of us is actually swingin' from a noose.
Name: MOTHERSHIP
Comment: Exactly, Ladybyrd. Pac went on Arsenio Hall and said after ol' girl gave him head on the dance floor he went upstairs and went to sleep. She ended up in their area with his entourage. He told the whole story to an audience of 30 million viewers. Said he ain't had nothin' to hide. Pac was always original and straight up. I'd roll with Pac anyday.
Name: Exmun
Comment: Ladybird, at the time of his death he was a menace in the streets. No one know whether he would have "turned his life around." Many try and many fail. I can only comment on what he DID what his actions were, not on some over romanticized version of Pac. All I'm sayin'.
Name: CoCoCaramel
Comment: Stone Mountain Georgia is where the second coming of the Clan got started,so this doesn't surprise me at all...I lived in Atl for 10 years and I always avoided Stone Mountain for that fact alone, and there are soooo many black families living in that clan town...
Name: MOTHERSHIP
Comment: Katt, if Negroes don't get it together, we soon will be. We have to "collectivize" Some radio play, that shyt was the joint!
Name: khufu
Comment: then how do you know this... Name: musbdherbs Comment: Ex..double entendre? Maybe so. However, Kat is the 'first' person I have ever heard of who has used a noose as a form of political protest or in any other way other than it's original purpose..the first.
Name: khufu
Comment: MUSB what makes you think that KATT wearing it was a political statement? you assume that?
Name: MOTHERSHIP
Comment: Tell, it Winn. That's always the case. They're getting more freer now than ever because of Dumbya and his signals. And if we don't wake up, hell, for all of our progress, we have grown so complacent and conditioned that it's gonna take just that, a modern day Negro being lynched from a poplar treet to get our attention.
Name: khufu
Comment: see YOU know...a lot of folks who dont know the proper social or hitorical context usually make opinons about things that are uninformed...see, this noose situation is not something to be ignored.. Name: CoCoCaramel Comment: Stone Mountain Georgia is where the second coming of the Clan got started,so this doesn't surprise me at all...I lived in Atl for 10 years and I always avoided Stone Mountain for that fact alone, and there are soooo many black families living in that clan town...
Name: MER82
Comment: Thank you chica, katgirrl, ladybyrd and Mothership, Pac was definitely a conflicted soul, but who isn't? I pray I have enough time to spiritually ascend to a higher level before I leave this earth. But regarding the noose, its obvious folk are trying to get attention, but could they also be baiting a race war in this piece?
Name: khufu
Comment: yep... CHICA got that? Name: Exmun Comment: Ladybird, at the time of his death he was a menace in the streets. No one know whether he would have "turned his life around." Many try and many fail. I can only comment on what he DID what his actions were, not on some over romanticized version of Pac. All I'm sayin'.
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: HHCassius> Isaiah Washington is currently on "Bionic Women" which has done very well in the ratings. I think Isaiah will work again, in the same capacity.
Name: MOTHERSHIP
Comment: Mer82, that is exactly what they are trying to bait. I know one thing, like Pac inferred, ya better keep ya head up and eyes open. It's about to Nation time up in this mutha.
Name: KILLERMEG
Comment: Sista-LOL!
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: Exmun > You didn't answer my question, "Would you live next door to Malcom Little?"
Name: khufu
Comment: the times they are a crucial if you remain asleep Black people yt's gonna noose ya im just here to loose ya truth you Name: HHCassius Comment: OMG I get on this board and khufu khufu khufu!!!! I feel like Jan Brady or something. But seriously, the time to ignore threats, intimidation, disrespect, defamation, are long gone.
Name: khufu
Comment: explain please Name: ladybyrd Comment: Exmun > You didn't answer my question, "Would you live next door to Malcom Little?"
Name: khufu
Comment: issues: 1) what was Tupac's social, [poitical or ultural value to Black people and their quest for freedom and liberation? 2) the noose. should we not respond? are they really harmless indivudal acts? or are they symbolic expressions that need to be crsuhed as they could fester into something bigger?
Name: khufu
Comment: Group Lynching Is Re-Created in a 'Call for Justice' MONROE, Ga., July 25 - The gunshots were firecrackers. The stage blood came from a white plastic bucket of Open Pit barbecue sauce. The costumes did not evoke 1946. But the amateurish touches did not detract from the power of the re-enactment of a lynching here at Moore's Ford, on the bank of the Apalachee River in which two black women, one seven months pregnant, and two black men, one a World War II veteran, were killed by a mob of white men 59 years ago Monday. No one was ever prosecuted, and the event's organizers say they want justice. Tyrone Brooks, a Georgia state representative and an organizer of the re-enactment, called on Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales to get involved. "We cannot find closure until there is prosecution," Mr. Brooks said. "We cannot find reconciliation until there is prosecution." The re-enactment in Monroe, about 40 miles east of Atlanta, was organized by the Georgia Association of Black Elected Officials, a 700-member group led by Mr. Brooks, and drew on the support of residents of Walton County.
Name: khufu
Comment: Accounts of the lynching vary. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation has said that it pursues every lead in the case, but that new information is scarce. The difficulty of trying such old cases became clear in the Killen trial. Key witnesses died during the investigation, and prosecutors were forced to rely on testimony from an earlier trial transcript. The Moore's Ford lynching occurred 18 years before the Mississippi killings, but Mr. Brooks said he believed that as many as five of its perpetrators were still alive. Monday afternoon began with a rally attended by a mostly black crowd of about 150 people at the First African Baptist Church in Monroe, where the Rev. Joseph E. Lowery and other prominent Georgia civil rights veterans spoke, along with the Rev. Jesse Jackson of the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition. "There can be no statute of limitations on terrorists who lynch and kill people," Mr. Jackson said. Organizers then led a caravan of attendees on a tour of significant locations in the killings, including the farmhouse where one victim had an altercation with a white farmer, the jail where he was later held and the spot where the shootings actually occurred. A crowd gathered, some standing on the railings of the bridge that now spans the ford to get a better view.
Name: khufu
Comment: Mr. Brooks, drawing from witness accounts and investigative files, spoke through a megaphone, related how the four victims were dragged from a car and down to the riverbank, where they were shot to death. The women might have been spared, he said, but one made the mistake of addressing one attacker by name. Then the re-enactors, all black, began, some wearing white masks to indicate that they were white Klan members. "Remember, these are not real actors, these are homegrown folks who want to get the word out about what happened here in 1946," Mr. Brooks said. Bobby Howard of Social Circle, Ga., said that in Walton County, life was "hell for black folks." There was still fear and silence surrounding the killings, Mr. Howard said, and the re-enactment cast was all black because the few white volunteers pulled out at the last minute. The bit of theater brought memories back for many who watched, including Flosse Hill, 79, who stood in the hollow by the riverbank, crying. "I remember when it happened; I heard it on the radio," Ms. Hill said. Noting that she and the pregnant woman, Dorothy Malcom, were about the same age, Ms. Hill said, "They say her baby's still living somewhere," referring to the persistent rumor that the baby was cut from Ms. Malcom's body. "I just want to know what really happened," Ms. Hill said. "It's the awfullest thing I've ever heard of." The events leading up to the Moore's Ford lynchings - which some call the last mass lynching in the United States - began when one of the victims, Roger Malcom, was jailed on suspicion of stabbing a white farmer.
Name: khufu
Comment: Eleven days later, Loy Harrison, a prosperous white farmer, bailed him out at the request of his family, taking with him Mr. Malcom's wife, Dorothy; his sister, Mae Murray Dorsey; and her husband, George. Mr. Harrison, now dead, later told the F.B.I. that on the way home, he was stopped by a group of men, who took his four passengers at gunpoint. But many in Walton County believe that Mr. Harrison was a Klan member and bailed out Mr. Malcom with the intention of releasing him to a Klan mob. In 1991, a man who said he had seen the killings, Clinton Adams, came forward, telling reporters that Mr. Harrison had been among the gunmen. The four bodies were riddled with bullet holes. The Moore's Ford lynching, like the Mississippi killings in 1964, made national headlines; it cemented President Harry S. Truman's support for civil rights legislation. Truman ordered the F.B.I. to investigate, but agents were met with hostile silence, just as they would be in investigating the Mississippi deaths. In Mississippi, agents were able to develop informants. But in Walton County, they were unable to crack the case, though Mr. Brooks said on Monday that he thought the F.B.I.'s 1946 report contained enough evidence for prosecutions.
Name: McNasty
Comment: . . . and y'all needed tupac to tell you that? This whole conversation has gotten quite ridiculous yeah he was conflicted and he was this that and the other and a noose was still hung around his statue. Folk are making him more than he was - the only difference between him and a lot of the rest of them is that he died livin' his.
Name: khufu
Comment: living down here in the south you remember that a noose is not just a piece of rope......
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...Nooses, N-word, N-word, Nooses...We has a people better git it together and come together...We don't want to be...*(Ya'll gonna have to put on your thinking caps for this one)..."WITHOUT SANUARY"...
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: Mothership: Too true. We need to unify or as Paul Mooney put it, "they're be no more us"!
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: ...then again, that noose coulda just been Nas promoting his new album.
Name: khufu
Comment: KAT and what shall the basis of our unity?
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ..."WITHOUT SANCUARY"
Name: khufu
Comment: KAT caint be our common Africaness caint be religion caint be hip hop caint be against racism caint be against white cultural supremacy caint be our youth what, after 400 years, of trying everything to unite Black folks will be the basis by which we will unify and assure our continued existence on the planet?
Name: khufu
Comment: tell me what's it gon be to create some long lastin Black unity we don tried everythang come come on kat what you gon brang to incite resolution bring on some Black revolution save us from our selves fook everybody else we need unity tell me tell what is it gon' be
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: Khufu: Basis? If we stand for nothing, we'll fall for anything. Strength in numbers. God bless those who wanna turn the other cheek, but IMHO, we gotta let 'em know, y'all may wanna take us back to y'alls' good ol' days; jim crow n' all that, but we ain't goin'. %*$!( y'all and your nooses.
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: Khufu> These were Exum words: :"And while we can appreciate SOME of his lyrical genious now that he's gone, we should also be candid about whether he was the type of person that you'd want to live next door to. For me the answer is 'no thank you.' I don't need to get shot trying to pick up the newspaper". And I asked "Would she have lived next to Malcom Little?"
Name: khufu
Comment: KAT i hear you but give me a plan. Give me some concrete. Give me a program. KAT what EXACTLY what shall we stand for as a principle to UNIFY us?
Name: khufu
Comment: got you LADY
Name: khufu
Comment: KAT conduct this expereiment....call 15 people you know...Black people....ask this question and write down their answers: 1) what do they call themselves? Black? Negro? African? etc 2) what does it mean to be "Black?" The answers will astound you they will all have different answers I assure you especially on the second question... now, with that in mind, how do you think we can unify a people that is still struggling with its identity?
Name: mcctusk
Comment: people... i know that on its face, this is another example of racism being alive and well in amerikkka, but just consider the 'facts' as they were reported: there were vague threats against record labels and rappers...perhaps this is really worse than we imagined. Suppose (as some have already suggested)this act was perpetrated by african american youths? what if the history of black people in amerikkka - our struggle, our pain, our suffering AND our victories are so underappreciated by OUR youth that nooses HAVE become the new n-word?
Name: khufu
Comment: KAT after that, find 15 Chinese people and tell them youre a sociology student and conduct the same experiment 1) what di they call themselves? 2) what does it mean to be "yellow?" They will laugh at that second question and say IM not "yellow" Im Chinese..... then ask them "What does it mean to be Chinese?"
Name: khufu
Comment: consider this madness....again.. the internalized self-hatred this suggests is too deep for me......again maybe the victims did it to themselves? Forget the history of Stone Mountain Georgia... maybe some Black kids are hanging these nooses.... are you people fookin unaware how insane you are? Name: mcctusk Comment: Suppose (as some have already suggested)this act was perpetrated by african american youths? what if the history of black people in amerikkka - our struggle, our pain, our suffering AND our victories are so underappreciated by OUR youth that nooses HAVE become the new n-word?
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Khufu, if you are able to skip past your multiple soliloquys every once in a while, you would see what other people write as opposed to your own. I responded to Exmun who stated that Kat used the noose as a political statement. You obviously are good with cutting and pasting. Let's try reading and comprehending. Exmun, I agree w/u on Tupac. I've always marveled at how his "thuggery" is often excused simply because he was a great poet. He was also a violent, troubled one as well.
Name: khufu
Comment: KATGURL I personally suest either Pan Africanism or Nationalism as that unifiying force, strategy, method, means, process, political/culturally ideology/lifestyle as THAT solution to create the unity that will assure our collectie existence....
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: They're already unified; if not yet unified, unifying. All of these nooses popping up is evidence of that. One redneck hangs a noose, the noose that follows is hung by a supporter of the first as a show of support and so on and so on... Every noose that goes up is a racist sendin' out a signal to other racists that they're down for THEIR cause; that they're not alone in their hatred of blacks. Every noose that goes up is a sign of their unification. What are WE gonna do? What ARE we gonna do?
Name: khufu
Comment: MUS there are sermons not solilquies
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: KHUFU: Bean-pie scholar that you are (jk), what do YOU suggest we do!?
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: Why do we consider ourselves "black people in Amerikka" instead of Americans? We need to stop separating ourselves from the Nation our Ancestors built. If ANYONE is entitled WE ARE. And we need to start acting like it. WE are Americans, brown nonetheless but WE are Americans...period! Civil Rights fought for this yet we continue to try and separate ourselves from that very thing. Now, go to your neighbors, cousins, brothers, sisters and tell them to go get a damn job, contribute in the community and VOTE! Only 29% of us vote, what the hell. Our ancestors fought for this damn right. They also fought for YOU, YOUR kids to attend school with OTHER Americans and what's happening, we are not going to school or drop out like crazy. Let's continue to work on us! Peace...
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: McNasty: "This whole conversation has gotten quite ridiculous..." Girl, you know I have nothing but respect for you and you're right. It's got much less to do with Pac and everything to do with the fact that there are ppl against us making a powerful statement by hanging these nooses everywhere. I just wanted to throw out there that Pac wasn't just about dumb stuff. (smile) <> LADYBYRD: AMEN! Our ancestors fought and died for every right that we enjoy (and some take for granted) today! VOTE!
Name: Exmun
Comment: I leave for like an hour... and come back to like 50 posts ... mostly by Khufu. :)
Name: Exmun
Comment: @ladybyrd Comment: "Exmun > You didn't answer my question, "Would you live next door to Malcom Little?" LADYBIRD, let's FIRST get this straight. EXMUN, EX, the EX, is a MAN. He ain't no she... na'mean? Second, to answer your question, I probably would not have chosen to live next door to the late teenage/young adult Malcolm Little prior to his adopting Islam and turning his life around. The post Islam Malcolm, I have no problems with and a world of respect for. Does that help you understand me a bit better?
Name: Exmun
Comment: I can't say this about the Tupac that left this earth. Could he have made a change? Sure. Did he? It doesn't appear so.
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: Ladybyrd: We've tried to go that route. We've tried to be a part of this nation that our ancestors built with their bare hands, blood, sweat and tears. They're the ones goin' out of their way to let us know that they don't want us to be.
Name: YLawdY
Comment: Let's go hang our own nooses round pank people statues. *skipping off with rope to Ben Franklin statue, wait hanging it on the Rocky statue might have more impact with pank people*
Name: Rahwaykid1
Comment: Yeah, I lived in ATL for 13 years and refused to live in one of those "Plantation" places. On this subject, however, these are some interesting times, and the noose, like a poster above said, is the new "N" word. But more cowardly and subversive. Of course we can't ignore this. I co-sign Winn30344. I point to this article- http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-698697 2,00.html
Name: TGen
Comment: In 2003, (CBS) "A divided Supreme Court upheld a state ban on cross burning, ruling Monday that the history of racial intimidation attached to this symbol outweighs the free speech protection of Ku Klux Klansmen or others who might it." I don't see why noose-hanging wouldn't fall into the same category. It's time for our government to step in and do its job for goodness sake. On this particular Tupac issue, the story is kinda iffy. There's an article out now entitled: "Update: Police Deny Reports Of Noose Being Hung On Tupac Statue" http://www.sixshot.com/news/8309/ But it doesn't matter. The fact is there is an epidemic of (if not racism) racial insensitivity which is threatening anarchy now. It's just time for the people put in place to lead to do their damn jobs, period.
Name: Vipereen
Comment: What's so ironic about this situation is that while we're out here killing one another on a daily basis, the "yesterdays" have crept back on us. We have no one to blame but ourselves because we have chosen to ignore the daily killings everywhere in our communities. We've killed, by far, more of our people than any white hate group. Think about it. Let's start making changes in our own backyard before we speak on outside hatred. They see how we treat one another, so they're just doing what we're doing to one another. It's not right on either part, but let's change ourselves as a race.
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: katgrrrl > Most of us are throwing those rights away, every minute of every day. It's crazy... On Bigger and Blacker Chris Rock said "There isn't one white or any other person who isn't black would trade places with me and I'm rich". We are looked at as the roudy stepchild, who is slang'in the "N" word, each other and drugs around like it's okay.
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: Exum> LOL at your remark regarding Khufu doing most of the 50 Posts. LOL...
Name: McNasty
Comment: Vipereen you are so very right. We're too focused on fukkin' each other up in the hood and no one takes us seriously because we seem not to know what to do about it so now we are the target for everything that is wrong in this world. Having said that it's disturbing to see so many grown as.s folk extoll the virtues of tupac without realizing that he isn't the one to celebrate. There were many more trailblazers in the black community long before this boy was even thought about, yet you lift him up to prince status. We need to stop tussling over bullshat issues and get real cause ain't nobody waiting for us and soon they will stop checkin' for us at all.
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: Vipereen > say it!... That's EXACTLY what I'm saying. Exum> I'm sorry, I thought you were a female and I'm not sure why.
Name: McNasty
Comment: Perfect example - 12 posts on the high rate of expulsion of black kids (of which a lot of you have) and 140 on tupac. Now tell me our priorities are right!!
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: Vipereen: *nodding in agreement*
Name: MER82
Comment: Come on McNasty, that is where generational differences kick in, between those who really knew Tupac and his music, and those who went by news reports. In his prime, the media did him like they do OJ now, always looking for the story to tell. He was the nicca they loved to hate. Back to the story at hand, you know most of these posts concern the noose situation, don't be facetious. But I agree with you, those with kids especially should be all up in the Suspension article posted, just the same.
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: McNasty: "There isn't one white or any other person who isn't black would trade places with me and I'm rich". I classify that under "funny but it ain't no joke." <> I recall a conversation that I'd had with a non-black friend as I was looking for my first job. He, with his know-it-all self was explaining to me that because I'm a black woman, I'm at the bottom of the totem pole and that I shouldn't expect to make much money. Long story short, when I found a job I made more than him. Basically it's cos I knew how to type as I had no job experience. Anywho, I wish our young ones wanted to spend thousands on an education as bad as they wanna spend thousands on Louis Vuitton and Prada. Knowledge is power. If we take our knowledge and start more of our own businesses, that might be one way for us to have more power.
Name: njack731
Comment: In case every Black person in the USA did not know, I will give you a bit of infornmation: Each of us can learn to tie a noose. Nooses are not race-specific and indeed will fit any neck, regardless of color (or lack of it). We must wake up and cease the mentality that makes us "victims". We can victimize as well as the next group. That is proven time and time again by the crimes we continue to heap on those who look like us. If we are so bad that we are killing each other at break-neck speed, why should we be upset by a rope? Wake up, and stop being victims!!
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: njack731 > You are exactly right. Black on Black crime has been a problem which we as Black American have not conquered. We need to work on a few things as I mentioned: Crime in our neighborhoods, Dropout rate (these kids are out of control) and VOTING (29% of us vote, but we cry about President Bush).
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: Njack731: True.
Name: Winn30344
Comment: When I start seeing old pictures of white woman and men hung by nooses from trees or whateva else they used to hang our people with then i'll start thinking like Njack. You can't ignore history people and to try and explain away something as awful as people hanging by nooses by saying "wake up and cease the mentality that makes us victims"...minimizes the struggles our ancestors when thru to stop this type of hatred that is now on the rise.
Name: McNasty
Comment: Katgrrrl what most white folks are unwilling to acknowledge is that there are only two free people. White men and black women - white men for the obvious reasons and black women because white men were so busy locking up the black man they didn't realize that the black woman would rise to the occasion to fill the gap. The majority of the social programs that were created in the 60s 70s and 80s came about because black women fought for them - they were necessary for the survival of our familes (white men were too busy trying to either keep black men in jail or off their women). They don't give us credit, in fact take what credit we deserve and put their name on it. But we don't need what they have to offer we need to become more of a collective and stop all this foolishness.
Name: CaliRedbone
Comment: Update: Police Deny Reports Of Noose Being Hung On Tupac Statue Posted: 10/24/2007 10:34:20 PM by Black widow Atlanta authorities have shot down reports that a noose was hung around a bronze statue of Tupac Shakur at the Tupac Amaru Shakur Center for the Arts in Georgia this past weekend. A press release issued yesterday (October 24) by the Tupac Amaru Shakur Center for the Arts claimed that the center was vandalized in the early morning hours of Saturday (October 20) and Monday (October 22). The release claimed that a noose was hung around the neck of Tupac’s bronze statue located in the center and a nearby building was 'plastered with handbills of garbled rants about 9/11, Hurricane Katrina, rappers and various record companies'. The release would also state that the DeKalb County Sheriff’s Office was investigating the incidents as hate crimes, and a man who was arrested at the center on Monday morning, was in custody as ‘one or more individuals’ who took part in the vandalistic acts. According to The Atlanta Journal Constitution, DeKalb County police spokesman Marcus Hodge revealed that an orange nylon string with a wooden cross attached was found around the neck of Tupac’s statue, not a noose. Hodge also added that the incidents were not being investigated as hate crimes. Hodge said he didn’t know where the confusion arose from. He also said that the center’s press release will not affect the investigation. “They're just exercising their First Amendment rights to say what they want to say,” Hodge said. Hodge claims that when authorities were called to the center on Saturday, underwear was on the head of Tupac’s statue and an orange string was around its neck. Stickers were also placed on the statue and on nearby walls. Two days later, police responded to a call from the center by a security guard who said he had detained a 37-year-old man found trespassing the property. The man, who told police he was at the center to talk to Tupac, was arrested on suspicion of public drunkenness and trespassing. The police would be called back to the center an hour later after 'more damage was discovered to the center's outdoor pavilions'. Versa Manos, the spokeswoman for the center who issued the press release, told The Atlanta Journal Constitution that the center is standing by its release. Manos claimed the information was given to her by people at the center.
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: Underwear!? What tha...?
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: McNasty> And Black men was making it easy for them to be locked up. They are not All innocent. Wasn't it you who said Tupac was convicted and so were the very men you so eloquently gave a pass or pass the blame. <shrugging shoulders> The Welfare program was created when men were called to the military/war during drafts. The government started the welfare program so that families could still survive while the money earner was at war. Fast forward to now, I'm from a small city call Muskegon in Michigan. Welfare is used by abled body black americans who could go out and get a job. The Project which is government subsidized housing looks like townhomes and has been occupied by the same families for over 50 years. The grand childern are now adults and are raising their kids in them. I went to a city hall meeting and proposed that they tear them down and build a new housing development. Muskegon has thrown away Millions for nothing. Though, the government in Washington State and Michigan are trying to ween people off of Welfare. I think in my hometown they should give the a 90 day date, then shut it down. Black people also have this new hustle, they are getting these SSI checks pretending like their something wrong with them. <shaking my head>
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: McNasty! Hmmm...deep! They were too busy tryna keep the brothers out the front door to notice us parading through the side entrance.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Lady..what you are describing is how the gov't throws money at a problem instead of making sure there is accountability. Lawmakers are ultimately responsible for making sure of that..just as they were responsible in not doing due diligence on the war. Gov't waste abuse crosses economic and racial boundaries. We just have a poor history of managing it. If u wanna stop it, go after the lawmakers. The generational curse is real and we shouldn't try to act as if it's not. Have greater voter participation is a nice thought. But, it's senseless if the voter is not educated on who and why they are voting. I liken it to the "everybody need to own a house..own a house..own a house." Well they did exactly what was suggested and now we see the result. So just "voting" isn't the answer.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: i shoudl add that is in part democratic lawmakers who should share the blame for the problems in the welfare/prison systems.
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: Ladybyrd: I'm in NYC. It's the same situation out here with welfare and able-bodied people (many mexican as well as some blacks). The supermarket in my old neighborhood was a trip. Just about everytime I'd go there, I'd see someone throwin' down their welfare card like it was a black American Express card! Make me feel dumb for actually gettin' up and goin' to work for a living! <> That's another reason I Love my mother to death. She'd gone on welfare right after I was born. Was off of it in a few months. You can't tell me that 99.99999 percent of some of these people on welfare can't do the same and get a d@mned job!
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: When I say "many mexican as well as blacks," I mean in my neighborhood. Not all of NYC...of course.
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: musbdherbs> I agree with you regarding the government. However, let's assume that we are speaking of adults. They know damn well they can take care of their kids with $600/amonth. There is no way in hell I could live off of that money. Herb, when I say VOTE, I mean get involve (finding a candidate who will work for you). This is the problem with Urban areas, not enough people involved. It's been over-ran by mischief and kids see it on a daily basis, unfortunate but true. I did some research, to figure out at what point did we turn Democratic. Remember, we were freed by the Republican (President Lincoln). I found that there was another act of God like Katrina which caused many Black Americans to go with the Democrat's figuring that they could do better by us.
Name: MissE
Comment: http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/siu/the.noose/ comes on tonight in case anyone wans to watch
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: katgrrrl > That's what I'm saying. Most mothers were embarrassed but used it for a while and quickly found jobs or remarried.
Name: Ho_Lee_Mackeral
Comment: Garsh, Maybe they should have laid bullets around the statue instead?
Name: TesticAl
Comment: They don't have any surveillance cameras at the facility? If not, that's dumb. I hope they catch whoever is responsible. One more thing, I HATE THAT TUPAC STATUE! They have my nigguh looking Lou Gossett Jr. in Diggstown.
Name: oshun
Comment: >>khufu: thanks for the brief lesson on detachment. detachment, i have concluded, is the key premise of buddhist teachings. it is also a very difficult state to attain, because we are human and susceptible to love, hate, rage, envy, etc. i'm not buddhist but i accept and appreciate many buddhist teachings. detachment, and staying present, to me, are wise pieces of advice we should all try to follow - regardless of religion. they're universal principles, after all.
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: MissE: Thank you. <> TesticAl: LOL!
Name: Exmun
Comment: Associated Press. Stone Mountain, Georgia: 25 October, 2007 - The Associated Press reports that Georgia State police have apprehended the vandal who placed a noose around the neck of the Tupac Shakur statute located at the Tupac Shakur statute Tupac Amaru Shakur Center for the Arts. According to police, an %*$ailant named TesticAl defaced the Tupac statute partly out of political protest in support of embattled rapper Nasir "Nas" Johes and because of TesticAl's contempt for the Tupac statute. The vandal is known by peers and work associates to "hate that Tupac statute." He has been linked to several Internet newsgroups and forums where he has expressed a disdain for the way the statute makes "my nigguh [Shakur] looking Lou Gossett Jr. in Diggstown." Police are also investigating the possibility of a co-conspirator. It is believed that famed actor, Lou Gossett, Jr., is a person of interest in the vandalism.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Exumn..GOOD ONE! You had me all the way up until u mentioned AL. Al, you'z a fkng criminal now. *playing BDP's criminal minded*
Name: TesticAl
Comment: LMAO at Exmun and Herbs! That was pretty creative. I would never deface anything Tupac, even though I hate that statue. Seriously, tell me that statue of 2pac doesn't look like Lou Gossett. You can't! LOL!
Name: MissE
Comment: you're welcome katgrrl
Name: Exmun
Comment: Thanks. Lol! Glad you liked it. I wish EUR used a different software for their forum. I always notice typos after I hit the submit button and you can't make any changes. Alright, that's all my creative brain cells for today. I'm done.
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