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soulmusic101
Comment: If Obama can bring these two group's to the table to agree to disagree, he has major skill's. I still like Obama over shiesty and shady Hillary Clinton. The more I learn about Hillary, the more I learn that no matter what her Gender, she is not looking out for the Poor, Middle Class, and the Working Class. And she likes to beat the War Drum's a little bit too much for my taste. Obama should have invited Marvin Winan's to perform. Not a "Religious" person but The Winan's had that soul and harmony.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Oh and I know a lot of Democrat's, Liberals, and Progressives who aren't falling for Hillary's evasiveness and voting one way and pretending to be something that she is not. And some advice for Obama, stay away from Joe Lieberman and don't fall for his Lie's like Al Gore and Hillary have.
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NueNue
Comment: Even though im confused by how obama likes the gays but has a gospel concert i am still proud that he said i can agree to disagree and he stood his ground (sorta)
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HarrisThomas
Comment: we already have a president who claimed to want to restore wholeness then proceeded to handle his business in a total opposite manner . . . Mr. Obama will have to stand for something, show that he has a spine with enough flexibility to begin to restore wholeness . . . being politically correct will not work
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BlkATLTop
Comment: Dang- he's even going to Manning SC. He must really want to win that state badly.
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McNasty
Comment: Okay this is what I don't get - should not your spirituality and faith and belief outweigh your prejudice? Are not all christians supposed to make a whole hearted effort to get along and isn't acceptance into the churches what gays want? How in de heyell are they gonna protest McClurkin being there when there is exactly where he's supposed to be?! This is what causes me not to have too much respect for the gay agenda. They seem to be more about divisiveness than coming together and understanding that there are those that don't agree with the gay lifestyle and just like gays - they ain't going nowhere.
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McNasty
Comment: How can he claim to have a relationship with his Lord & Saviour and exclude gays? They don't stop being people or even likable people simply because they are gay! He said hate the sin love the sinner and obviously more than the gay mafia is confused by that.
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SeriousBrother69
Comment: Actually, I am impressed by all that has transpired because to me it shows that we're growing to some extent. It's clear that the underlined agenda by some was to create enough confusion to cause division - well that didn't happen. Every person stood their ground and the concert went forth... Donnie has a right to feel the way he feels and I support that, but I was more interested to see if Obama would buckle at the knee and give Donnie the boot, but he didn't. If only the world in general agree to do what these men just did - agree to disagree and praise God anyhow.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Who is the dumb author of this article? What in the hell would provoke her silly azz to write that the concert "was effort to play up the affections of little old ladies, earn the confidence of country preachers and their congregants, and as a huge lover of gospel music show some discriminating African American voters that he is indeed “Black” enough. Little old ladies, country preachers? WTF is that? Country preachers? little old ladies? Black enough? Why would your IGNINT azz refer to a gospel concert in that way as if there's something wrong w/lil old ladies and "country" preachers..whatever that means. 'Nas..the gay community got absolutely NOWHERE w/this stupid, fake azz controversy.
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Smokie1
Comment: Well it is good to see that everyone could come to some agreement even if it was to keeop t
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Smokie1
Comment: Sorry, I did not mean to post that. I will post my complete thought later.
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TGen
Comment: Musbdherbs, lol, you took the words out of my mouth. I had to read that part over when I came across just to see if I read that ish right, lol. So much idiocy in that one excerpt it threw me off for the rest of the article. I guess "Litte old ladies" are the only ones who would appreciate a gospel concert, lol, and I guess Obama proves his "Blackness" by throwing a gospel concert. WTH? *Sigh* On the McClurkin thing, I'm torn on Obama's stance. I'm glad Obama didn't buckle to the gay mafia, but I think one of the things that made Obama stand out back in "the" speech in 2004 is his saying the rightwing didn't have a monomploy on God. Seems like in following that, it would have been nice if he was courageous enough to take a stand about the tenets of his religion (which disagrees with the gay lifestyle) while still purporting support for equal rights. Okay, who am I kidding, that would happen only in a perfect world, he's still a politician. lol
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musbdherbs
Comment: TG..no what I'm saying? I tried to be objective and ask "what point is she trying to make" but am left still wondering. You're right, if hosting a gospel concert makes you black, then we really have problems. I wonder how would that same statement been received if O'Reilly said that? "Obama hosted a gospel concert to appease lil old ladies, country preachers and to show his blackness." Just didn't sit well. Take a stand on his religion?..now you know this ain't no utopia round these parts..lol What's bad for the homo community is that those lil protest fell on deaf ears.
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jdubya41
Comment: You know I hear people on here talking about Obama standing for something... HELLO! HE DID FOR GAYS!!! It's crystal clear where he stands therefore I am not standing with him. That is his faith and his belief, remember people keep reading he attends United Church of Christ a church that believes and endoreses gays and gay marriage. Now my real problem is how can they even as a church say that they read the same bible. And to the other people on here who crying about "I'm glad they can agree" PATHETIC. Plain and simple if we can agree with gays and same sex relationship, marriage, acts etc, then why do we get mad at pedophiles? It's the same thing they just like young males. We want to hide behind the fact and say "they are kids" but we're trying to allow them to say that they are gay at 2, 3, 4, 5 THEY ARE LIARS! You don't even know you're in the world let alone that you want to have sex with your GI Joe, or a 4 year old little girl wants to lick on Barbie. If its okay spiritually to like the same sex then we owe all the pedophiles, catholic priests a major apology. What is wrong with us?
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Snicker
Comment: i don't understand why gays think just because somebody doesn't agree with you lifestyle they have to be homophobic or anti-gay......i never remember donnie mcclurkin making gays out to be pedophiles so i think that is a bit of a stretch....everyone does not have to agree with their lifestyle so they need to just get over that and stop trying make being gay right to everybody because it will never happen......i don't have anything against gay people but i don't agree with their lifestyle but to each his own and if they like it then i love.
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khufu
Comment: well DIVIDE AND CONQUER didnt work here....
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Snicker
Comment: meant to say if they like it then i love it.
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jdubya41
Comment: We should not hate people, bash people, but I refuse to stand by and let a sect of people cause us to go against and ignore who WE are. The constitution is foundated on the bible, our money, the declaration of independence is all based on the bible. How can we even if you're not a believer support something that not only goes against nature, but against the fiber upon which this country was built. One writer on here wrote that gays aren't going anywhere, but it needs to be understood that neither are the heterosexuals. I'll be glad when we wake up and see the bigger picture. Gays are not born gay no more than a baby is born an alcholic. The reason they oppose Rev. McClurkin's views is because that would somehow keep people of them by saying that "I was born this way, as oppose to I chose not to change".
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khufu
Comment: LOL
The Cinstitution was established on
taking the land from NAtive Americans
enslaving AFricans
oppressing woman
and REVOLUTION against the "mother" country...England..
do you support political recolution?
Name: jdubya41
Comment: We should not hate people, bash people, but I refuse to stand by and let a sect of people cause us to go against and ignore who WE are. The constitution is foundated on the bible, our money, the declaration of independence is all based on the bible.
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khufu
Comment: that's REVOLUTION
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soulmusic101
Comment: Sorry but we need to live in a Country that you can choose to worship or belong to any "Religion" you want to belong to. Or you can choose to go your own way as long as you are not causing bodily harm to someone. According to your "Bible" every Man or Woman has a free will, don't forget to "Practice What You Preach".
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TheBrownOne
Comment: Very Strong points McNasty and Musb....Gays have a lot of nerve protesting because someone doesn't have the same views as them on why Gay happens. DA Fluck? Ain't that the pot calling the kettle black. And I can guarantee that this article was written by a white person. More than likely a white man and EUR picked it up from the AP for peanuts to reprint. Little old ladies and showing his blackness. Idiot. We should call and demand to know who wrote this crap and do an e campaign to expose the bigotry. Question all, if you were Gay and stopped being GAy yesterday, are you now considered straight? Is there an AZZ cooling off period first or do you just become former Gay immediately. Point being, To me Donnie is Gay so why would that lash out at him. People may be born with feminine ways and have certain deviant urges almost similar to my urge to want to smack the fluck out a writer like the one that wrote this crap when they give me an allergic reaction or a rash from writing BD, but there's something to be said about the power of choice
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khufu
Comment: JDUBYA
do you feel that strongly about
America's Illegal wars and invasions?
white racism and white cultural supremacy?
The unjust and hypocritical American judicial system?
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khufu
Comment: right on Obama and Donnie remained united on their Blackness......
divide and conquer didnt work on this one
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soulmusic101
Comment: Trying to force your view's of Religion tramples on my Right's as a Human Being and a citizen of this Planet. The Right-Wing "Christian" Agenda has destroyed this Country. A lot of Churches are kicking out the Leadership that told us to support the Iraq Invasion and Bush/Cheney. My Ex-Pastor even took down the Picture of George Bush that was hanging in his office...Hey it's a start.
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jdubya41
Comment: Khufu: Look ya'll I'm in no way implying that slavery, women's freedom, right to vote and all that and a whole bunch of other stuff that we have fought to insure equality should be revoked or rescinded but the motive behind this is deeper than what we see. Bottom line is this we need to address error and before any of you on here go trying to jump down my throat for what I said I would like for someone to address my statement/question with an answer. Cause I noticed no answered my question:
1. If we want the freedom to do whatever without rebuttal, then why do we get upset with pedophiles since this is normal behavior?
2. soulmusic101: I agree that every man has a free will, so since we all know that we were created to have free will then why are we agreeing with something that defies the truth of what we know. Why would God create a man to like a man and woman to like a woman then turn around and judge him/kill him for doing what he created him to do? if that is the case.
All I'm saying is okay since ya'll wanna be deep with me. LETS BRING IT TO THE HOUSE!
1. What do you think Khufu & soulmusic101 if your son or daughter (assuming you have one or both) came home and said that their teacher gave them oral sex and fingered their anus because your child should have open knowledge to his/her desires. With the understanding that the law will back them for their right of expression.
Note: That scenario is based on a couple of facts; 1. They've already established a GAY school with all gay staff in New York for gay students. 2. They are trying to also get it in there laws (undercover) that just like you can get an english tutor for your child or math, your child can be tutored by his gay teacher?
So please I'm just trying to understand.
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jdubya41
Comment: soulmusic101 & khufu: If it's okay and we should be free to act in this lifestyle then, why do we get mad at pedophiles and the catholic priests for screwing the little boys. Since it's normal and acceptable then why trip about it?
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amethyst
Comment: Although I don't agree with the United Church of Christ perspective on gay relationships and marriage, as a Christian I will not discriminate against or mistreat anyone because their beliefs are different than mine. What Would Jesus Do? He loves everybody, so I must do the same. I can get along with UCC members, Muslims, Jehovah's Witnesses, Buddhists, etc. because I will treat individuals with respect. It is humanitarian to "agree to disagree" and keep it moving. I applaud Obama for how he handled this situation.
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khufu
Comment: JDUBYA..
I respect your positions firstly let me say...
my first response...
you citred The Constitution and what is was "built" on...I just wanted to add the other elements, the truer ones, of its foundation.....
remember, a house cannot stand on a faulty foundation
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khufu
Comment: oh we definitely agree here...we should get mad at them and prosecute they azzez as they committ crimes....homosexuality no matter how immoral or unnatural some might think it is, has not been deemed ILLEGAL yet
Name: jdubya41
Comment: soulmusic101 & khufu: why do we get mad at pedophiles and the catholic priests for screwing the little boys.
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amethyst
Comment: I personally know individuals who exhibited homosexual tendencies as children. I don't know whether these people were molested or were able to "choose" their sexual preference when they get older. Donnie McClurkin's gay lifestyle resulted from childhood molestation, so he can speak from that perspective. However, if he didn't have gay tendencies before that trauma, perhaps he can't or shouldn't speak on whether homosexuality exists in children.
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soulmusic101
Comment: jdubya41...The definition of Pedophile is between an Adult and a Minor/Child. What two consenting Adult's do is none of my bizness. It's their Life and not mine to Judge, hence all Human's have a free will. After you and I are dead and gone will there still be Gay's? Maybe The "Church" can focus on feeding the hungry and the Kid's without Parent's? What if they put their Energy behind that instead of what Adult's do in their private bedroom's?
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TheBrownOne
Comment: MOST didn't reply because you don't make much sense if my humble opinion jdubya...
1. Da Fluck does pedophilia have to do with Gay? There is no freedom to do whatever without rebuttle in any country so what are you saying? Sounds like a personal campaign to make people think abusing kids is acceptable. Tasteless.
2. Should a man born with homicidal extincts not be judged also because God created him that way or does your reasoning just work for sex or where you put your pecker?
FYI, the number after 2 is 3 jdubya.....you went back to 1 and lost me.....PLease all...don't spend much time clogging up the blog focusing on this persons comment....sorry dubya...I hope you haven't had to deal with being abused...sounds real personal...
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khufu
Comment: one issue and question..the immorality of homosexuality
(which is different than....)
second issue and question....the non-illegality of homosexuality
third....when should Black folks stand together on their Blackness, and make less important other issues that could potentially divide them otherwise
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soulmusic101
Comment: amethyst...I have a distant Family member who was molested as a Child, he now has multiple Kid's and doesn't date Men.
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khufu
Comment: I once was blind and did not see
that Obama was the man for me
my Black community
now I see his honesty
his sincerity
and wholeheartedly support the brother for the Presidency......
a little ditty for you Jdubya
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khufu
Comment: Name: khufu
Comment: JDUBYA do you feel that strongly about America's Illegal wars and invasions? white racism and white cultural supremacy? The unjust and hypocritical American judicial system?
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DEEofVA
Comment: TheBrownOne,
Do me a huge favor and make your voice heard on this issue at 'mydd.com' and 'dailykos.com'. You won't believe what these white "progressives" are saying about the Senator this issue. Both sides only have sprinkling of self-identified Black voices, most of whom are all to eager to go along with the chorus of YT's bashing Obama. The consensus at both sites is that anyone who listens to McClurkin's music or attends church in the south are gay bigots.
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khufu
Comment: JDUBYA
if you have a problem with the concept and law of FREE CHOICE
FREE WILL
and
FREE MORAL AGENCY..
then your issue is with the God who gave it to human beings...
Note: You ever read Promoteus Bound?
No matter how wrong, immoral or unethical
no matter how stupid, dumb, crazy, etc the choices or decisions..
each human being was given the right and power to make choices for themselves....
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khufu
Comment: know your enemy
di·ver·sion (di-vûr'zh?n, -sh?n, di-)
n.
1. The act or an instance of diverting or turning aside; deviation.
2. Something that distracts the mind and relaxes or entertains.
3. A maneuver that draws the attention of an opponent away from a planned point of action, especially as part of military strategy.
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TheBrownOne
Comment: I hear ya Khufu...
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soulmusic101
Comment: Okay Fam, let's be real. We all know there are a lot of Gay's in the Choir at a lot of Churches across America. Not all Choir Member's are Gay but you know what I mean. There were rumor's that James Cleveland and Walter Hawkins were creeping but do I hate them? The answer is NO.
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TheBrownOne
Comment: Funny how the groups that fight HATE become more HATEFUL and INTORLERANT themselves......Vicious Cycle
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jdubya41
Comment: Hey brownone! evidently you either can't read or don't comprehend what you read. The point is simple gays like same sex sex the age when it comes to pedophilia matters because it is his right to like little boys.. ITS THE ACT. The other point that you brought up is, and just to let you know I know very well how to count but as I forstated apparently you don't read and are illinformed. The statement about the numbers is because in the article a person said that he knew he was gay since he was 3, and I've read where one confessed gay person said that he knew was gay before that, and my point was in all truth we didn't even know ourselves at that age. And you know what Brown1 the only thing that YOU said that made sense and was potentially true was that YES! it is personal I was molested just like Mr. McClurkin was and that person that did feels no remorse, repentance or nothing he felt he like me (as a kid) and should try to have his way with me. So the argument mr. ignorance is well founded and makes much sense to people who have sense. Homosexuals like same sex which means the one who would rape YOU would very well rape your son or nephew. So tell you what let's ignore each other because it's evident you have no forsight.
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ladybyrd
Comment: Jdubya> Are you a Christian?? Just asking, because if you are, we are suppose to love everyone. God will take care of the rest. peace
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soulmusic101
Comment: jdubya41...WTF...So the "Normal" Heterosexual's Peep's don't molest little Kid's of the opposite sex and all Gay's are known Pedophiles? This is not 1920, time to evolve. How many Father's, Male Cousin's, Uncles have molested their young Nieces, Daughter's, and Female Cousin's?
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TheBrownOne
Comment: I thought that might be the case Jdub....I apologize then...because your comments are more understandable now..still a little cloudy....but understandable....you see....I am very specific about the way I use words and you wrote "pedophilia" as the issue...and just like soulmusic and khufu pointed out....that means an adult preying on a minor and is illegal and is in no ways acceptable...I would go to jail over that if someone did that to any of my family.......gay is not illegal....I was saying to you that the discussion we were having isn't the same as your pain...hope you have been able to talk through your trauma with a counselor...
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musbdherbs
Comment: JDUBYA41..(interesting screen name) I just don't understand your point. It seems as if you're all over the place. You're posting a lot of lead-ins but no one seems sure where u are going w/this. What is your point? You're not standing w/Obama because he had Donnie perform at a gospel concert? You must not be "for" any pastor or congregation because I have yet to attend a church where homos didn't play an active role. Pedophiles commit sexual acts against minors--under the age of consent. That's why there are laws against it. It's a far cry from two "of age" consenting people who engage in same sex relationships. You (and nobody in here) are not the ultimate authority on the bible. What you may be is a person who has developed an intepretation on what it says based on your own environment. Had your environment thought differently--so would you.
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jdubya41
Comment: Okay look Khufu & soulmusic: I am in 1000% percent agreement with you on this. Love who you want to love, screw who you want to screw, but like you said though none of the above is illegal, the agenda is trying to make things legal and acceptable that goes beyond what we do in our bedroom. You are right and did breeze through the book, but if we could step back and listen to what they are trying to promote, their agenda..
It is true God gave us the power of choice, which was the premise of my first argument that people aren't born homosexual which is what Mr. McClurkin stated which is what God the gays all riled up at Obama. So here if they feel like they can tell this man to take this person of off his campaign all because he has a difference of opinion on the same subject then it will go back to what I stated earlier.
All i'm saying is is that homosexuality is NOT normal behavior and if we are willing to accept as normal then what do we do when the serial killers, rapists, murderers, etc get up and say... "Hey I was born this way I've been killing and knew I was a killer since I was 2 so this is just who I am" . I know we have a civil right to do pretty much anything but what happens when I want to legalize MY thing and make you like it?
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khufu
Comment: okay she summed it ALlllll up for real...
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: Jdubya> Are you a Christian?? Just asking, because if you are, we are suppose to love everyone. God will take care of the rest. peace
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musbdherbs
Comment: jDUBYA41..just read your latest point. You speak from anger..that's apparent. I believe at the time Donnie was so vocal about his beliefs, he was as well. Your molestor is the problem..not the rest of the world.
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khufu
Comment: Now this love for all doent mean you dont critique, criticize or speak out agsinst.....but we are not supposed to judge as in condemn....
we can judge as in analyze
but no condemnation
even though the criticism (which might be constructive) might be harsh as truth (two edged sword) is....
I think homosexuality is unnatural but I dont hate gay folks and dont think they should be discriminated against...
any gay person, for whatever reason, is exercizing his/her individual freedom of choice and free will
No, if a Gay person, molests someone of the same sex that's just as wrong as heterosexual molestation......
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jdubya41
Comment: Which that is my point Brwn1: But where is our stand in our morals when a heterosexual person feels like they should have the right and freedom of expression yada yada and say hey this is jus what I like and I should be able to have that freedom. It just so happens to be the Gay community that is trying to enforce this, but what happens when other like minded people try to get laws passed to uphold their paradigm?
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musbdherbs
Comment: and being emotionally attached to an issue as you are, makes you, from an objective pov, completely impotent. Thus, hindering you from having open, honest, and "reasonable" discussions.
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khufu
Comment: I hear you JDUBYA and we agree in some areas....here is where you and I do
1) Gay folks do have an agenda
2) some, not all, Gay folks do want to "convert: heterosexuals
3) some Gay people are always wearing their homosexuality on their sleeves
4) Homosexuality is unnatural
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soulmusic101
Comment: jdubya41..I am sorry for what happened in your past but The Gay Right's Group's can protest all they want. What was Obama's Action's, he choose to love Donnie and still say that Gay's have a right to love another Adult of the same sex. I read a story about Donnie's hidden Life that could be true and I think that Donnie is not being honest with himself. The story could be false or true so I try not to judge Donnie but I think his Gay Relationship's go deeper than being molested as a Child.
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TheBrownOne
Comment: Diversion was the word of the day huh?.......well ok....So jubya, if i'm hearing you correctly through the bad grammar. You said i couldn't read well, but I'm wondering if you're inability to put a cohesive well articulated thought together could be a contributing factor....just a thought. But I think you're point is that you feel that being Gay should be illegal. I also think you are saying that since the bible says Gay is a sin, then churches shouldn't accept gays because that makes gay more normal. Which other sins committed should cause a person to be banned from church? Should they check the sin rap sheet on parishioners in every church before people walk in? Because of your experience, I guess you think Gay is the ultimate sin huh?
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khufu
Comment: JDUBYA here is where we disagree
1) Heterosexuals, primarily Christian, being obessed with trying to "fix" homosexuals;
2) Denial of homosexuals their human dignity and human rights;
3) Denial of homosexuals their rights to freely choose for themselves what they do with the time alloted them here on the planet i.e. free will
4) Homoesexuals being attacked or killed because of heir sexual choices...religiously non-Black Muslims advocate this, I believe, more than any other religious group
4) the denial of homosexuals their Constitutional Rights as humans
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soulmusic101
Comment: Off topic for the board. Never saw this Story on Eur.
Christopher Barrios Jr. was a 6-year-old boy who was molested and murdered by a convicted sex offender and his parents in Brunswick, Georgia on March 8, 2007. His body was discovered on March 15th, 2007 just a few miles from where he disappeared. George Edenfield, David Edenfield and Peggy Edenfield are all accused of Christopher's abduction and murder, and are awaiting trial on capital murder charges. A fourth person, Donald Dale, is accused of concealing the death of another person and tampering with evidence.In May 1997, George Edenfield was convicted of two counts of child molestation and given probation. In September 2006, he was indicted for violating his probation by living less than 1,000 feet from a park in downtown Brunswick and ordered to move. On March 5, 2007, just days before Christopher was abducted, Edenfield was given 10 years probation.A state law banning convicted sex offenders from living within a thousand feet of parks, playgrounds, child-care facilities, schools, churches, swimming pools and school bus stops, was passed in 2006. However, the school bus stop provision was blocked by a federal judge pending his decision in a suit claiming this provision to be un-constitutional. George Edenfield and his family lived within just a few feet of a school bus stop that Christopher regularly used to go to school.
http://www.justiceforchristopher.org/
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khufu
Comment: THEBROWN diversion because the bottom line is someone is trying to divert our attention away fro Obama as a legitimate presidential candidate so they are attempting to create a "gay scandal" and at the same time divide the community...Black folks..
that's why i am glad that Donnie and Obama stayed focus.....
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khufu
Comment: powerful
Name: soulmusic101
Comment: jdubya41..I am sorry for what happened in your past but The Gay Right's Group's can protest all they want. What was Obama's Action's, he choose to love Donnie and still say that Gay's have a right to love another
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khufu
Comment: wisdom is overflowing in here
Name: TheBrownOne
Comment: Diversion was the word of the day huh?.......well ok.... Which other sins committed should cause a person to be banned from church? Should they check the sin rap sheet on parishioners in every church before people walk in? Because of your experience, I guess you think Gay is the ultimate sin huh?
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TheBrownOne
Comment: Again, I hear ya....funny though khufu......though he stood up......the truth has a funny way of getting lost in the trip from what happened to how it is perceived and received by the masses.....the vehicle?...the media.....I think the Gay controversy diversion served it's purpose as another direct attack on this man's values....
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jdubya41
Comment: ladybyrd & musbdherbs: Yes I am christian but who said I didn't love them? No where in any post I've written would indicate that i have them so that's not correct.
Brwn1: I don't have any trauma's to talk about I'm really okay with and through the help of the Father and healing blood of Christ so I'm cool.
musbdherbs: Part of what you said is wrong, My unwillingness to support Obama was not about the concert, it's about his stand. You are right and I am a Pastor and Musician and you are very correct that homosexuals are in the church. Is it really about the statement about having the ultimate authority in the bible? If you've read the bible for real, you will find that Jesus stood and spoke up against error. Paul admonishes us to stand for God and to be amb%*$adors for him. It's not about trying to be the authority of the bible musbdherbs is about keeping the bible as "THE AUTHORITY". Are cops the law? NO but they try to uphold the law. The other point to what you said is that I know it's suppose to be between to consenting adults, but they are trying to validate acknowledgement and activity at ages 2,3, and 4 years old, but again you nor the others answered my question.
If they are trying to pass a law that will give them legal right in their behavior and chose to tutor your kid in homosexual activity how are you going to feel about it. Because apparently none of you have read their intentions,
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TheBrownOne
Comment: trying to help you out here Jdub...a lot goin on in your mind there dude...I think you are saying the Gays shouldn't be around kids because they are all pedophiles in your eyes? Is that what you're trying to say?
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TheBrownOne
Comment: thanks for the acknowlegement on that and the consistent enlightening traveling man........
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jdubya41
Comment: musbdherbs: How do you get anger out anything I said. I have not spoken in a vulgar way, said anything harsh to them at all. So you mean to tell me that just because I don't agree with their lie that they are born gay, and that they should not be allowed to marry, that means I'm angry? Or could it be that because I said that I was molested at any early age only could mean that I'm angry and hate all homosexuals? I've gone back to read everything I've posted and I'm trying to find anger? Please help me and if you can't then don't lie on me. I am conversating just like everyone else on here.
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soulmusic101
Comment: jdubya41...So Gay's are tying to become Tutor's to molest your Kid's??? Is that why they are always protesting?...LOL...There are Straight and Gay Pedophile's but try not to let your prejudice cloud your Judgement. Remember you can find the Bad and Good in every group if you look for it. I hope you are teaching your Kid's that if anyone touches them in an uncomfortable manner they can feel free to come to you without being ashamed. Oh and don't forget to be involved in your Child's Life and what Adult's come into contact with them on a daily basis. Straight, Bi-Sexual, or Gay.
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musbdherbs
Comment: GW41, what stand did he take that you were against? I guess that's what I now don't get. The bible an "THE AUTHORITY" is often left up to intepretation and is very situational. The bible didn't create the "law," man did based in part on his intepretation of the bible. I don't know who is validating an activity @ the age of 3. However, if heterosexuals (as we do) can say that we knew all along that we were straight, I don't find issue w/homos saying the same. To answer your question, gays having laws to protect them and offer them the same priveledges that we have does not bother me. It is no secret that they are discriminated against. The fight for/against gay marraige laws has to do w/inclusion and exclusion. Laws protect law-abiding citizens against "exclusion" Hence, civil rights laws.
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amethyst
Comment: jdubya41 - Am I correct in concluding that you will not support Obama because he accepts homosexual relationships, which you believe are morally wrong? If that's the case, does that also mean you couldn't support any of the candidates who have been divorced or committed adultery, if your Christian beliefs state these are wrong actions, too? I ask because it seems quite often we use the Bible and Christian beliefs to criticize homosexuality, but there are many other wrongs that God doesn't condone.
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amethyst
Comment: jdubya41 - Can't speak for Musb, but the tone of your posts suggests anger and strong disapproval of gays, rather than respect and Christian love. Since it's difficult to convey emotions via written methods, perhaps this is an incorrect conclusion of your feelings.
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amethyst
Comment: I am a firm believer in "Love the sinner and hate the sin." I have family and friends who do things that I don't agree with. Like Khufu said, when/if it's appropriate I will share with them my views based on my interpretation of the Bible. I won't desert, judge or ridicule them. The best thing I can do is live my life according to the principles I profess, and pray for them. In the end we each must deal with God on our own.
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jdubya41
Comment: amythest, brwn1,soulmusic101, msbdherbs: here is what I've been trying to say and just so you all know I've really enjoyed the dialogue.
1. I will not support Mr. Obama because of his belief and wanting to sanction Gay marriage. My reason, not because gays don't have a right to there choice of love, happiness etc, but there activity and desire to get laws passed opens more doors than we can see up front that will ultimately effect us in other ways.
2. I disagree that my post portrays anger but Yes! I disapprove of the homosexual lifestyle for the reasons stated and because God doesn't like it. I know we say that we can have our own interpretation of the bible but I think we all can read and it hasn't changed. Their implication is that God made them or created them that way which is a lie.
3. I dare not use the bible just to criticize homosexuals because I stated in an earlier post that "all sin is against God". I have a problem with gays who try to imply that they were forced into this by creation as oppose to a choice that was made.
4. bdherbs: I notice you made fun of my statement about the tutor piece, but I didn't say that is why they are always protesting. Maybe you should look a little deeper into what their real agenda is OTHER THAN just being happy and loving their life partner.
5. Again bdherbs: The bible is the law what do you think the 10 commandments are? LAW and in the laws if you read Leviticus 19 & 20 it specifically says that "man should not lay with man kind as he would a woman".
6. There is no individual interpretation of what is the requirement for all that believe to strive to live HOLY for HIM. There is no misinterpretation of what Holy is even in a plain websters dictionary. I don't think we ought to try to change what is written to appease and or justify our desires.
In closing you know what there is a difference between CIVIL RIGHTS AND KINGDOM RIGHTS, and maybe most of you don't believe in the Kingdom.
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jdubya41
Comment: I really can see where none of you understand what I'm saying or just refuse to. Would I support someone who committed adultery, or got divorced is still foundated in choice. And I feel that adultery is a choice and speaks of character, now would I agree if a candidate wanted to make adultery legal, and have provisions for the other woman and allowing other rights. EMPHATICALLY NO! would I support a candidate that says that drunk drivers don't have to do time or be penalized because the driver had the right to drink therefore drinking and driving should be legal I would EMPHATICALLY VOTE NO!
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soulmusic101
Comment: jdubya41...That is why I believe that your understanding of the "Bible" shouldn't be forced on me or anyone. Your "Bible" say's the greatest commandment is Love Thy Neighbor...not judge the Lifestyle.
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dakoolestkat
Comment: So if a male is molstested by another male that destines him to be gay? If he's molested by a female does that make him hetero? That's my biggest gripe with McClurkin and others who say childhood sexual abuse determine's one's sexuality. I know females who were molested by a male figure but lo and behold they did not LEZ out!
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jdubya41
Comment: Maybe some of you don't believe in the bible which may help my understanding of some of your responses. God is love and we are commanded to love, but at the same time we who read the bible understands that there is a judgement side to both God and Christ. Divorce is a choice, adultery is a choice but homosexuality speaks against the nature of God whom created us all. GLBT totally ignores this truth and attempt to make us all accept the lie. Like I said it just so happens that this its the GBLT movement that is trying this, but if it was the rapists', murderers, robbers, drunks trying to make their choice of life a way of life along with making it legal, I promise you I would have the same argument, disapproval, disdain, stand, and if it makes you all feel better then ANGER!
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jdubya41
Comment: dakool: bottom line is if a male molests another male that doesn't destine him to be gay, but it proves that he is gay. Now he can change and not remain in that mindset. The fact and hard truth is if you can recieve or give or desire to be pleasure sexually by the same sex then you are in fact homosexual. That's not being homophobic, creepy, or none of that it is what it is.
Now about the female wronged by the male is because of the dynamic, she was molested by a man which is normal (GOD INSTITUTED MALE/FEMALE ACTIVITY) she's not suppose to lez out. But now because of the incident she may struggle with a healthy relationship, or promiscuity that could cause self esteem issues, or trust issues with men.
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DEEofVA
Comment: Khufu,
You might be interested in the outrageously racist (as if there is any other kind of racism) diary that was posted on 'dailykos.com' that has since been removed but nonetheless should have been covered by the MSM. I don't have the entire text of the diary, but here's the opening paragraph. It was accompanied by a picture of a Black face performer. I just want Black folks to see what Senator Obama is up against from the "progressive" White and LGBT communities.
I Sho's Don't Think No Bad 'Bout Obama! I Sho's Don't!
by _____
Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 11:22:48 PM PDT
I'm sah glad Obama done included us all, I kicked up a storm in Ms. Getty's flour bin! I sho's am happy Mr. Obama done decided that we all count!
When we decided we wanted to be included, Mr. Obama done went outta his way to have someone like us be up on the stage. He white and plenty gay. Well gay, even! Praise be!
We sho's am happy, Mr. Obama! We'd name our kids after you, iffin' we had any.
You too good to us. Too good!
Real soon now, they'll be no difference. Not a difference at'all!
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Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: >SeriousBrother69 "...Every person stood their ground and the concert went forth... Donnie has a right to feel the way he feels and I support that, but I was more interested to see if Obama would buckle at the knee and give Donnie the boot, but he didn't. If only the world in general agree to do what these men just did - agree to disagree and praise God anyhow." Cosign 100%! My respect for Obama went up a few notches. He refused to give in to "special interests." At the end of the day he stuck to his principles and I'm OK with that.
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jdubya41
Comment: I've heard women say that because they were hurt by men that they will try women. Now there are women who have had encounters with other women in college, club, or whatever and decided to go back to the meat. Well for that time they were gay because they were having sex with the same sex. BUT, they made a choice to go back to men for whatever there reason and from that point never engage again with women. Therefore they made a conscious decision to not engage anymore. For example I've smoked bud, and drank beer, but I chose to quit with the help of God.
it has been stated that homosexuality is unnatural, well i guess if I could put it in a nutshell, I have a problem with them trying to make us believe and accept it as natural.
As humans they have a right to screw, love, live with anyone they want but don't expect me to accept what you do and agree to make it legal. Because people I promise you, it goes way beyond "your right to love and marry who I want".
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jdubya41
Comment: soulmusic: You know what I'm very much sick of that whole level of ignorance right there! I am not judging anyone. If I said that ALL FAGGOTS, DIKES, ARE GOING TO HELL AND SHOULD BE SHOT OR HANGED EXECUTED EVEN, THAT'S JUDGING!!!!! I'm really tired of people who want to act like every christian that speaks against something is judging. Listen I'm sitting at the red light and some one runs the light and I say "wow they just ran the light" am I judging them NO I just stated what I saw, If I go to my aunt's house in GA and see some pears growing on a tree and say "Hey that's a pear tree" Am I judging the tree no I made an %*$essment of what I saw and understood. If I see a woman kissing and stating that she loves this woman I call her homosexual... did I judge her NO! I just identified with the behavior, just like if I robbed a bank what would you call me, a robber? If I raped someone and got caught they would call me a rapist. Where does this crap come from that because we are believers/christians that we are not allowed to call something what it is? What is that? If I cheat on my wife I committed adultery and if you saw me that is what you would say "he cheated on his wife".
Not one time in any post (since I'm so angry) did I ever say that gays/lesbians are going to HELL PERIOD! NEVER I'm not judging anyone... The bible you just spoke of says that ANYONE who does not live for and properly acknowledge Christ as their savior will go to HELL,,,, HE SAID THAT! NOT JDUBYA I'm not the judge. Jesus Christ said that THE EPITOME OF LOVE, Christ said that "He that believeth not is condemned already. Jesus said Mr. Love himself "No man cometh to the Father but by me". So if a person comes out of his/her mouth and say that don't acknowledge or believe NO I don't have the final say but I can make an %*$essment of what I know is written.
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musbdherbs
Comment: GDUBYA, you posted all of this because you disagreed w/somebody saying that they were born this way? You have absolutely zero imperical knowledge about anything you say. It is an opinion based on your environment. It is the same environment that has given us an image of a WHITE JESUS with blue eyes and a bible based on the works of some mortal. I don't know anything about this "agenda" you're referring to but I certainly wouldn't promote criticism of a group based on the actions of a few. Some doesn't make it ALL. I won't get into scriptural interpretations because it is both fruitless and endless. There is not one person on this board who has questioned "your" faith. But look at what "you" have done. You're not being understood because you are not offering any understanding beyond your convictions. That's kewl, but let's not go kelly bundy and wonder why people aren't "getting you." A man talking to a brick wall..will be talking to a brick wall. The wall is not going anywhere. You are the brick wall. Yet still, no one is questioning your dedication to your beliefs. You just needs to stop trying to humanize God. There is absolutely no way that you can speak "for" an entity who: "knows what you're thinking b4 you do, knows why babies die, why disaster happens, what happens after death, whose wisdom surpasses all understanding etc." We, as mere humans, don't hold a candle to that. The fact that you don't know reinforces the point that...you don't know. Rapists, muderers, robbers etc., all inflict harm upon somebody else. There is no consent required. They just do it. Unless you are still a flaming homo, u may want to stop trying to speak for gays about what their "agenda" is. Fact is, you know nothing more about what makes us "straight" than what makes homos "gay." It's ok to think you know..but realize that you don't.
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soulmusic101
Comment: jdubya41..You can be sick until dolphin's fly and parrot's live at sea but you can't change anyone by hating their "LifeStyle". Focus on what makes you a better Human Being and you may find Peace. Those that have an unusual preoccupation (not all) with Gay's ususally have their own hidden problem's. I am looking your way Larry "ToeTapper" Craig and "MethHead" Ted Haggert.
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jdubya41
Comment: Well I'm sorry to disappoint you but I'm not, nor never have been a flaming homo as you put it (that's funny). But I do know what makes us straight God made us straight and there agenda has been stated by the gays and there activits. It is evident to me that you actually don't know or haven't read completely or have heard what's been stated by them. You know I'm not going to make any apology for standing for a God (like you said) whom is not human, but has used and still uses human instrumentalities in this earth realm to propogate as well as protect the gospel.
I look at this like in the movie "New Jack City" Nino Brown actually believed what he was doing to the community was okay and that he was right in his paradigm. Everybody in the community was just to scared to say something while watching their kids and loved ones continue to introduced to drugs, and at the same time being terrorized by this man whom established a paradigm that was wrong and made it right in his own head.
In no way am I ignorant nor stupid to try and humanize the Eternal Creator of the Universe. but whether you want to sit on your behind and be act like what I said earlier is not the pure truth then you are really the ignorant one, because I only stated what it says. It took Martin Luther King to stand and say that blacks needed equality along with others, and his premise for what he stood and eventually died for came from the same bible that I speak of. Maybe your place of feeling like I'm hating gays could be because you struggle or someone you love or know is a flaming homo and you don't want to believe that they will have a date with the same Eternal all wise, all knowing God who made it inexplicably clear that he will judge all who are not IN HIM. it's just in there I don't give a rip about your statement about endless and fruitless bible interpretation. One thing is certain irregardless of how you wish to interpret it, if you jump off of a 50 story building to the ground 10 x's out of 10 you're going to die. Makes no difference whether you believe it or interpret it that way or not.
I close for the day with I hate no one (no post indicates otherwise), I dislike no one, but homosexuality is unnatural and should not be accepted as normal or natural. The behavior is wrong just like if I beat my wife, or abuse my children it's a chosen behavior. Since you chose to give an excellent summation of who God is just make sure YOU keep reading and understand ALL ALL of who he is.
It was fun!
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jdubya41
Comment: soulmusic: truth is just truth it has nothing to do with HATE or JUDGING!
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soulmusic101
Comment: Speaking of MLK, Coretta Scott King treated Gay's like Human's, not as 2ND Class Citizen's. I guess she is not as "Holy" as you....smile
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musbdherbs
Comment: *theme of the twilight zone being played on an old, rusted, out of tune violin*
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jdubya41
Comment: herbs: to someone who doesn't know the difference can't tell the difference.
smusic: I guess like others you can't read either (lol) I never said they weren't human I said that their lifestyle is "unnatural". Do think gays should be beaten up just because of their choice? NO! Do I believe that gays should be able to buy homes, work, eat, drive? why not! I said what I said it is their choice, but should you make the world accept and legalize your unnaturalism and make it mainstream. I emphatically say NO! Now I think I've stated this more than once, but now if you say that what I just said is HATING THEN I GUESS IM GONE HAVE TO BE THAT THEN.
And speaking of MLK he married Coretta not Malcolm. smile back!
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soulmusic101
Comment: TheBrownOne...you were right, somebody hijacked this Board...LOL
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Ho_Lee_Mackeral
Comment: ALL SISSIES ARE GOING TO HELL!!!
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