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nightshift
Comment: Leave O alone!! she's got enough to worry about with all them d@mn kids in A-Ka-Fri-Ka!! This article and others like it, is going to make me start liking her.
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khufu
Comment: LOL see...that's why this whole American/yt standard of "attending the best universitites" and "having good referecnes" has always been an issue for me....
in his case, "Harvard trained" and co-host on NBC's short-lived "The Other Half" and also hosted the Discovery Health Channel series "Plastic Surgery: Before and After" and appeared on "The Oprah Winfrey Show."
reminds me of the consistent "yt rapes, kills or mass murders" mantra after the fact...
"He seemed like such a nice guy...quiet.....good references...."
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NueNue
Comment: why is there three differnt stories about the same people. this was an unfortunate event but i think it should be left alone now. its been a few days let the man morn and if he takes action then we talk bad about mr jan (that name is awful) adams. i hope this is a cautionary tale for people who want a quick fix for there bodies.
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ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: Couldn't we have swept this information into the 2nd story? SMH
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ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: Still waiting on the final autopsy report!
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McNasty
Comment: This is the guy that used to be on the men's answer to the view with danny bonaduce and mario lopez. He spoke with such knowledge and authority and now looks like he's a harvard educated jack leg doctor!
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Olivia
Comment: ********Still waiting on the final autopsy report (clapping)
Me Too. Damn people are trying to destory the man before the autopsy.
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SistaBigBone69
Comment: NUENUE***I concur. MCNASTY*** "harvard educated jack leg doctor"...now that was funny. I guess I scan through the next story....lol
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PRDC
Comment: It unfortunate Dr. West passed away from this surgery...but we should wait to see what the real outcome will be. People today want things done over night and she was told because of her condition by one doctor to get clinical clear, but she decided to go to another Dr. now she is gone. She had just as much to do with this as the Dr. It's so sad, but things like this happens when you don't do your homework. At 53 I'm proud of what I have, a stomach (not too much) and whatever...still wear a size 12...now at 58 what would make someone want to put their bodies through this major surgery for the sake of trying to please hollywood people. Hopefully, people will start loving themeselves...
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soulmusic101
Comment: I knew the Media was going to run this story into the ground. Wake up America, you have now spent 1.5 Trillion Dollar's on an illegal Invasion in Iraq and Military Suicide's are at an all time high. The American Media will go after the "Doctor" but Bush get's a free pass everyday.......Now back to trying to bringing the dead back to life. Sorry to interrupt what should be a personal matter between Kanye and his Family.
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amethyst
Comment: Just like the Duke alleged rape case, Jena, TI, etc. I'll wait until all the facts are in. One question I have is whether the patients who sued Dr. Adams did any research on him? Any legal proceedings are public knowledge, so anyone can investigate whether a physician has lawsuits. My godsister died from medical malpractice, and since then I am very selective about choosing doctors.
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amethyst
Comment: soulmusic101 - SPEAK!!!
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ladybyrd
Comment: CNN answered this yesterday. There is no Oprah connection, though both appeared on her show, Oprah did not introduce either.
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PBF_19
Comment: This is a sad situation but I think this is ashame the way the media has already prosecuted this man. Let's wait until we hear the outcome of the autopsy. Why do they always have to throw Oprah's name in something, they hate the fact that she's worth a billion and helps african kids. leave her alone.
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: I told ya politricks was a nasty business...Yew know dayum well why O's now popped out...It only gets nastier...No, there's no Oprah connection but it's suggested and tossed out there for public consumption...Hmmm, now who's one of Obama's primary supporters?...Do not for one minute think that one has nothing to do with the others...This is politricks..It ain't personal, it's politricks...
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khufu
Comment: yep..that's what THEY will do....
Name: PBF_19
Comment: Why do they always have to throw Oprah's name in something, they hate the fact that she's worth a billion and helps african kids. leave her alone.
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khufu
Comment: BOOT..life in amerika with yt is nasty business and yep you right...character %*$assination is hwat they do all at the same time they glorify the gangstah and pimp and mass murderer in movies and tv and music
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: I told ya politricks was a nasty business
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McNasty
Comment: While it's good to wait for all the info we already know that dr. jan operated when two others told her she wasn't ready, that we do know!
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sweetheart
Comment: I wish he were white. This is so embarrassing.
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dede0320
Comment: <<<Address listed MAIL BOX ECTERA>>>Dr's OFFICE????WTH?
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Gettogurl
Comment: Drunken, quack. Obsessed quack, quack, quack, quack. Revoke the quack's license.
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Gettogurl
Comment: PRDC you don't have the money that she had and the spotlight ain't on you. You don't know what you would do if the spotlight were glaring on you. You should be happy with what God gave you, you don't have the money to change it.
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...Ok, your son is who?...Two Dr.'s told you what?....Your son's name is what...Those other Dr.'s are wrong, it's gonna be fine...Your son's name is West...I'm a Dr. too and trust me...Now, what's your son's first name?....Sure you can go home afterwards...Now who do we bill?...Is your son the rapper?...Ooooh no you don't have to send the check to mail box ect...I'll personally pick it up...
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khufu
Comment: and no matter what about he bad doctor......it was her decision........
just like with the preachers and those who follow them
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Stephanie
Comment: Here's what I believe happened. Ms. West went to the first doctor who probably required her to bring all her medical records and after careful evaluation, he determined unless she got clearance from her primary doctor, there was no way he could perform the procedure because the medical risks were far too high. She goes to the second doctor who from the media is reporting was probably strapped for cash and figured, Kanye West's mother, what a good boost for business. So she tells him the other physician wouldn't do it because of her existing health problems but some kind of way this guy convinced her the risks were minimal and did the procedure anyway and as a result, she lost her life. This guy's career is done. I feel both are at fault because she should have taken the first doctor's opinion and that he cared enough to explain the risks not just for her but him too. Just think had the first doctor performed the procedure and the outcome was the same. They'd be slamming him instead of Dr. Adams. Its really sad. Because no matter who is at fault, she's not coming back and sometimes we are so in a rush to get what we want when its not necessarily what we need. Its called consequences.
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Gettogurl
Comment: Good points.
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RealSmiles
Comment: Enough with TMZ's media side show already. Dr. West's death doesn't need to be turned into doctors trying to defend their actions or the lack of for that matter. Surely, Kanye doesn't need his mom's medical information, right down to what happened on that fateful day, being reported like Britney Spear's daily movement. I just not seing the media being respectful but being vultures looking for something to drum up.
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dede0320
Comment: So do you think he might give the family a refund, partial refund, or something he messed up somewhere, and Khufu you are right , it was her decision, it even seems she had second thoughts, and if the other Dr. would not do it, really she should have been a little more careful, but still my heart really goes out to her family what a tragic way to loose someone because it was preventable..just sad!!!
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khufu
Comment: one of the funny things I observe here since I have been here on EUR
there are some who use "Self-responsbility" for a defense in some cases and in other cases "blame" is the defense.....
in this case, while he might be incompetent, etc., he dint darg her into his office.....she made the choice.....
just as in the Juanita Bynum situation, whie her hubby was wrong for his actions, she made certain choices the helped to create the situation she later found herself in.......
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MER82
Comment: Just like Researchers, doctors have a responsibility under their medical license to uphold good clinical practice guidances and assurances that they have the BEST interests of the patients in mind. Years ago when this craze picked up and we first started hearing rampant reports of deaths and disfigurement from plastic surgery, we were informed as the general public, to do our research, ask questions and to never get cosmetic surgery without ensuring that the physician is BOARD CERTIFIED to perform the procedure. If this information is true about this doc, and his willingness to perform surgery without having her get a complete and thorough physical prior to, then he is just as culpable, if not moreso, in her death as her decision to proceed.
This whole thing reminds me of when Aaliyah died and the media reports from the Bahamian airport, and the general public, tried to blame the victims for their deaths stating that they wanted to keep their luggage with them. Ridiculous. The Pilot, the airline, and the airport workers know good and dam well how much weight a plane can carry, and if they don't they have NO BUSINESS flying planes.
It is a shame that we as the public have to hear so much about her when none of us knows what she was thinking or feeling about any of this regarding her surgery. At the end of the day, its more about our insatiable need to know, anger and fear regarding death than it is about this man losing his mother. His family should be given the respect to mourn in private.
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queeniebunz
Comment: >khufu - there you go. You gonna drag Bynum into this and blame her because she got beat down??? GTFOH!!!! As for this quack - wow. Harvard or not - clearly, this guy is not fit to check my blood pressure. My thought is - why didn't these people check him out before going under the knife???...but then I thought about it and had to check myself. I had a lump removed 10 years ago. I didn't check my doctor out first. Mine wasn't cosmetic, but still that was my bad. Thankfully he was the bomb because I don't even have a scar but I guess the cautionary tale here is to ALWAYS check your doctor out before letting him/her cut into you at all. The lady who wrote "First Wives Club" died after plastic surgery, too. These situations are so sad because the surgery was elective. Very sad. I feel for Kanye. I just lost my uncle Saturday and that hurt so I know he must be devastated.
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gingerg
Comment: Folks want the quick fix. A month in the right facility with support and medical oversight would have started Ms. West on the right track and I do believe that the ultimate weight loss would have been more meaningful if she had gone about it that way.
I've known people who had that gastric bypass surgery. One was constantly sick afterwards and had to quit work. The other looked like a shadow of his former health. I've also seen people lose through proper nutrition/exercise and they look great.
This situation is pitiful because it didn't have to happen.
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gingerg
Comment: Wait a minute. Don't you have to sign forms acknowledging that you understand the risks of the procedure and will hold the physician, etc. harmless if something goes wrong in advance?
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gingerg
Comment: Hello, Kufu:
I had to leave to get my pedicure yesterday. To answer your question, I'm going with West African dance.
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gingerg
Comment: I found a dvd called Kukuwa. A sister from the Washington area (Kukuwa Nuamah) teaches classes out there and I'm told they really work.
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khufu
Comment: QUEENIE...no go back and read what I said.....will someone interpret for her please?
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khufu
Comment: GINGER hey ginger..so did a Korean or an Ethiopian work on those beautiful feet?
cool on the dance classes
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queeniebunz
Comment: >khufu - "she made certain choices the helped to create the situation she later found herself in" is what I read and as I said you are blaming her for him raising his hand to her. Nobody CHOOSES to be beat down. HE made the choice to raise his hand and kick his foot. GTFOH!!! And I'm gonna leave it at that.
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khufu
Comment: QUEENIEBUNZ...here
10 TI CHOOSES to go with his bodyguard to buy guns. Even if it was a government set up, the point at which TI CHOSE to get in the vehicle and said "yes" to the bodyguard, he became responsbile for his own actions and the outcome....
2) The guys in the hotel room has some sheet that belongs to OJ and OJ has the choice to wither call the police or go into the room himself..he CHOOSE to go into the room himself. The outcome as we see it and know it...OJ helped to create that outcome by the choice he CHOOSE to make...
3) Bynum is at a hotel with her husband and they argue...he leaves to go to the parking lot....she CHOOSE to go after him at that point that she makes that choice, she assumes some responsibility in the outcome of her choice....
okay if you dont get it after those explanations, then you miss the whole point of why you exist as a "child of God" and what free will and free choice is/are.
you miss the whole point of reaping and sowing and karma....
you miss the whole point......call it quits
drink the kool-aid
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katgrrrl
Comment: B00T: "Politricks." That word should be added to the dictionary. Better yet, "politics" should be deleted (or left in as the archaic alternative) and replaced with "politricks," cos that's just what it is. <> Dang Sweetheart: I was wishin' the same thing. This whole situation is just too effed up. Sorry Kanye.
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katgrrrl
Comment: Queenie: Sorry for your loss. My prayers to you, your family and friends of your uncle. God Bless.
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khufu
Comment: DR Adams might have been incompent, tc
but when the sister chose to get the surgery and chose him and especially after receiving information that she shouldnt
SHE MADE THE CHOICE........CHOICE.....
in the braoder spiritual sense, we need to as children of God stop playing victims, we have free choice and free will and the sum total of our lives are FOR THE MOST PART resultant of our choices....
QUEENIEBUNZ do you get it? do you? Do you?
if not, see that MAtrix where he finally meets the "God figure" in the end he sees all those tv screens in front of him....each screen represents aa different choice and the result of each different choice....
Neo realizes the grand scheme at that point....choice...free will...each result on the screen was a result of what he COULD do and what he could or MIGHT choose..
damn, I had to use a movie and get all meta physical and she still might not get it....
G
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khufu
Comment: there right there..you said it QUEENIEBUNZ..faulty choice, bad choice...wrong choice.......CHOICE
the same way I bet Bynum said after the incident
"Damn, why didnt I just keep my azz in the restaurant?"
Queeniebunz
Comment: "My thought is - why didn't these people check him out before going under the knife???"
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gingerg
Comment: kufu, how did Bynum get up in this. I can't wait to read her take (spin) on the situation in the new Essence.
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gingerg
Comment: A korean man and he can give a foot massage that will put you to sleep.
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gingerg
Comment: I'm with Queenie on the beat down, but I do believe that Bynum erred by fronting about her marriage. It don't take noboby but Rev. Jeremiah Wright from Chicago to talk about these folks. He said he knew that marriage was hype from the get go! LOL!
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Gettogurl
Comment: Take the quack's license and shut him down, so no one will have to go through anymore, death and disfigurement. I bet he sees 'no wrong doing' in driving drunk and disfiguring his other patients and beating up his ex girlfriends. If you are a reputable doctor why not say I will give you a full physical and if I am not able to do surgery I will let you know. He should be brought up on criminal charges. He is at fault, he is the doctor. She was not a physician. He is a quack and would probably operate on his own mama if she paid him.
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khufu
Comment: GINGER...Bynum got in it because I am talking about choice......free will and choice and how our lives and sometimes our deaths, out resultant of choices we make.......
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khufu
Comment: are resultant
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DOne
Comment: Maybe it was just her time.
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mcctusk
Comment: I;m glad gettogurl (nice...) wasn't around during witch hunts --- or lynchings for that matter
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Gurlfrand
Comment: so true, khufu, so true - sometimes we make choices that are not in our best interest, but, because we are imperfect people, we sometimes stumble and can get back up, and, sometimes not.
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gingerg
Comment: The old folks used to say that sometimes a person can "have death on them." That's when you do things that you ordinarily wouldn't do under odd circumstances and you subsequently die.
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khufu
Comment: YES GURL and oftime we blame the outcome of our choices on others......it's human but it's wrong
eve blamed the serpent
adam blammed eve
cain blamed God
again, only using her as an example to "prove" my point:
Bynum made the wrong choice of going after her husband.....HE WAS DEAR WRONG FOR WHAT HE DID...
but here is where they prove get the point if either of them said......
Bynum..."Dang, I never should have gone after him...."
her hubby..." Dang...I never should have laid my hands on her...."
both realizing they both made wrong choices...that if they had nade different choices, the outcome for both of them would have been different....
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gingerg
Comment: I'm glad the truth about the Juanita Bynum situation came to light - unfortunate circumstances, though - because I can't stand fake people.
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Gurlfrand
Comment: >gingerg - I hate to say it, but, I was never moved by her, and I read her first book and was very inspired by it, but, went to one of her meetings with a friend here in L.A. back in 2003-04 and was not moved by all that emotionalism and performance at all - it just didn't seem real to me.
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khufu
Comment: so all Im saying is that this doctor could be a quack or not, Kanye's mother made the choice(s)..........
as we all do for ourselves...unless there are those times when things are forced on us and we have no choice in the matter.....
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212121
Comment: khufu - This guys has a responsiblity to provide reasonable service has a medical doctor. It sounds like he can't take a blood pressure reading without damaging someone. He needs to have his license revoked and face jail time. In addtion, he appears to be working out side of his medical field as he is not licensed to do plastic surgery.
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khufu
Comment: 2121
I agree...and what is the responsibility of an educated consumer in this case?
we wont even get into whether or not Cosmetic Surgery should be sought...
1) Check out the product or service; especially in such a case like this....
2) also to check out one's self to see if you are healthy enough should their be any risk involved,
so now what would YOU CHOOSE to do after you did number 1 and 2 that would indicate that you were a wise person making a wise, smart and informed choice?
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gingerg
Comment: Gurlfrand, I kept hearing about that "No More Sheets" sermon and wondered what it was all about. Sister were raving about it. THEN, I caught a glimpse of it on tv. She was running around unwrapping sheets from her body. I would have got up, put my finger up and tiptoed out of the service.
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: Gingerg> Same thing happened to me, heard so much about the sermon and then I saw....Of course Juanite does have a dramatic flare about everything she does. Anyway I am getting uncomfortable about how this is all playing out. If this Dr. was really so bad why is he still practicing? Someone did suggest that Malpratice suits and settlements are not as unusual as we think. I would like to see all of the facts come out before a pass judgment on this doctor. It could have been something that happened to Dr. West that no one could have prevented.
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212121
Comment: Perhaps Dr.West used unwise judgement in using this doctor's services but, he used unwise judgement, violated the law, and has now killed a patient. No one is putting a gun to his head and forcing him to continue to practice medicine.
He is going to have take responsiblity for his actions and in the end he is still living. Dr West is no longer around.
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gingerg
Comment: This is also sad because Dr. West won't be able to see her son marry or enjoy her grandchildren.
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queeniebunz
Comment: >khufu - I wasn't going to respond anymore but I have to say this. Dr. West decided she wanted the surgery. She probably asked around and was referred to this quack. She was probably told that, "hey, he's been on Oprah, he was on a TV show on NBC, AND he is host of a show about plastic surgery." With that much experience - people who host shows in their field are considered experts. Example - Dr. Gupta writes for Time Magazine and is a medical correspondent for MSNBC. I would consider him an expert if a national magazine and news station feels comfortable going to him on medical issues. Knowing that, this doctor WOULD seem qualified to the point where maybe she didn't see the need to check with the medical board where he practices. A lot of people would come to that conclusion. I say all of that to say - stop blaming her for his incompetence. He is the one who botched the job, not her. If she had a pre-existing condition, it was HIS responsibility as a medical professional to pass on the procedure. Doctors are supposed to be experts, not patients. Even the most informed patient can't know what to do in a situation like that, especially if the doctor tells her it'll be fine. Let it go. You can't blame people when other people do bad things to them. That's like blaming the Central Park Jogger for being raped and beaten within an inch of her life. Sure, it wasn't okay to jog after dark but it SURELY wasn't okay to damned near beat her to death and rape her repeatedly as the man did who was ultimately found to be the culprit. Blame the perpetrator, not the victim!!! You are actually trying to tell us that we should blame women for men who beat them and not the men for raising their fists AND patients who receive botched surgery instead of the quacks who carve them up!!! GTFOH with that!!!!!!!
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khufu
Comment: 21 I get the feeling that you think I am defending this doctor...I am not..
i am focusing on a bigger and wider issue
self-responsibility
free choice and being big enough to assume responsibilities for the outcome(s) of one's choices
what you said about him is equally applicable to Kanye's mom. Agree or disagree?
Name: 212121
Comment: Perhaps Dr.West used unwise judgement in using this doctor's services but, he used unwise judgement, violated the law, and has now killed a patient. No one is putting a gun to his head and forcing him to continue to practice medicine. He is going to have take responsiblity for his actions and in the end he is still living. Dr West is no longer around.
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khufu
Comment: that's it...didnt read anymore...after this it's pure waste of time..
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >khufu - I wasn't going to respond anymore but I have to say this. Dr. West decided she wanted the surgery. She probably...
probably?
QUEENIE...bring facts and truth please
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212121
Comment: self-responsibility free choice and being big enough to assume responsibilities for the outcome(s) of one's choices what you said about him is equally applicable to Kanye's mom. Agree or disagree?
I agree self-responsibilty is applicable to both. However, I have more sympathy for Dr.West. She was navie and trusted this doctor his motives I feel were purely to put money in his pocket and with all his malpractice suits he has to realize that Plastic Surgery is not something he should be doing. If he is practicing plastic surgery with out a license he has broken the law.
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khufu
Comment: 21
I hear you but that is your choice when you see "You have more sympathy" for her...
some may say she was out her mind for wanting it and/or for going against any advice that she may have gotten telling her not to..
so my only point is HER CHOICE ended her up in his office in the first place.....
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Name:
TInLA
Comment: My only question is why the mainstream media disregards her title of "Dr."
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Name:
Angel
Comment: First and foremost, we need to wait until all of the facts are given. Just because someone has a pre-existing condition doesn't automatically mean that they are not a candidate for elective surgery. Before y'all run this black man out of town, at least wait to see what REALLY happened instead of letting TMZ tell you what happened. All surgeries have risks. If Dr. West was told the risk AND the risk was within acceptable parameters given by the governing authority who sets the limits for such risks, then I would say that this doctor allowed this patient to choose whether or not she wanted to subject herself to such risks. At some point, you gotta let grown folks be grown folks. IF there was a 10% risk of heart attack and the risk was within the parameters acceptable, then just because she happened to fall within that unlucky 10% does not mean the doctor is at fault. Also, just because other doctors passed on the surgery doesn't mean this doctor should've passed. He may have had a different opinion than the previous doctor. Again, let's just wait until the facts come out because there are so many holes in this story being filled in by TMZ. Since her medical records are not public record, no one knows whether or not she received months of testing or no testing. No one knows if an internists gave the ok to this doctor or if he chose not to have her seek an internists. Nothing is known at this point.
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Name:
Harleyquinn
Comment: Name: sweetheart Comment: I wish he were white. This is so embarrassing.
THIS IS THE DUMBEST COMMENT......EVER.
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Name:
Marlin
Comment: This is all so sad. There are two sides to every story. I will say this: just because a man graduated from Harvard does not make him a saint....plenty of brilliant minds inside of socially twisted people. And if Kanye's mother did have a heart condition or something before all of this, then I am pretty sure she knew it. Some people go to different docs until they get the answer they are looking for. Bless her heart either way...sad.
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Name:
mseffy
Comment: Do you posters who write all of these long comments, ever get tired of stating the obvious? You really bring no new information, you primarily just share negative information that's already commonly known. It would be nice to read what some of you have learned as a result of these sad events; what/if any changes or lessons you will make/share in your lives or the lives of your loved ones! **SIGHING**
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