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Kaya
Comment: I am not saying the book or movie was 100% factual, but I am not surprised Phil has a problem with people focusing on Ike's beatdowns. Phil probably feels Ike should have killed instead.
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PlanetRock
Comment: This just in...OJ just fired his PR firm and hired Phil Spector (wink wink). Yeah, it speaks volumes when of all the people to get to give a eulogy, ironically Phil Spector is chosen. Birds of a feather...
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Kaya
Comment: I guess Scott Peterson was unavailable.
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shakaz0117
Comment: Didn't Ike and Tina Mae have a child together?
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FiveMore
Comment: Phil Spector should be under the prison with his woman killing/hating self.Boy, these celebrities live the life of Reily, because they can kill, attack, urinate on regular people and get away scott-free.I guess it does pay to be rich in America.Oh, the irony!"A jury of your peers, huh?"smh
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justmytwocents
Comment: Phil Spector, just pay your own personal tribute and keep your mouth closed! Should of, would of, could of that's all he's good for. He says Ike was the second greates guitar player and that's why he didn't use him for that song? Is that really a good reason? But at the same time he really wanted to make them a big act? If he would have given Ike a chance and included him to play in that song, maybe that would have been the jumpstart for them. He's full of it. He needs to mind his own business, let people express themselves they way they want. Yes, it's obvious he wants Ike to be remembered best by his music, but sadly he may not. And what's even sader, Phil Spector may not be remembered as a music pioneer, he's going to be more remembered as a murder suspect. Hello?
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Soulwriter
Comment: All Phil Spector has done is cement his repuatation as a dried up and bitter knome of a man who hates women, period.....does he REALLY think that trashing these powerful women did anything that would redeem his abusive, pistol-happy image??!!?? BOOOOOO SPECTOR, BOOOOOOO!!! Beyond that one cool song ("River Deep...."), I gots no love for you Trick!!!
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Gurlfrand
Comment: Phil Spector is another brilliant musician/producer, like Ike Turner, who had a history of abuse against women - what a nut case...
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michaelollieclayton
Comment: What's new? Drama, drama, drama...like everybody elses' life. People got their opinions, people got their spin, people got their politics. Now, truthfully, agree or not, the piece was energetic and well-written. Rarely do I savor every single word of celeb news articles, but in this case, I just sucked it all up. Kudos to the writer. And Merry Christmas to you all. Yeah, I said, it: "CHRISTmas!" Godd*mn it! CHRISTmas, CHRISTmas, CHRISTmas. And here's a present for you all: A video of Michael Vick's exquisite house now on the auction block (you're gonna trip on this shyt!): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CATOsYb428s
AND here's a bonus stocking stuffer (Democrat crips and Republican bloods): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKPQ2Kw7A9A
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cookyd
Comment: Oh my Phil(I didn't shoot her)Spector. How crazy is that, Phil coming to Ike's rescue now. If Ike was such a brilliant musician why didn't he continue to make music after Tina left him?It was Ike's band but Tina was star when the star left the band could no longer play.
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duckapoo
Comment: Phil The Murderer Spector can kiss my black %*$.
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CoCoCaramel
Comment: Phil Spector(who's been a major nut case for years) needs to keep his mouth shut, this is the same man that used to beat the crap out of Ronnie Spector and shot and killed that woman in his home a few years ago....Oprah, Tina and Whoopie did not demonize Ike, Ike did a great job of demonizing himself, if Spector respected Ike so much how come he did not record River Deep with IKE & TINA he recorded that record with Tina only...One woman beater/hater eulogizing the other woman/beater/hater...Just pathetic... SMH in disgust....
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gingerg
Comment: Phil Spector needs to sit his lying azz down. There's no point in trying to glorify Ike Turner now. He was what he was; a talented musician, drug addict and woman beater with an attitude.
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bigfriend
Comment: That is Phil Spectors comment and what he believes and I give him respect for that. I never heard Ike come out and give his side of the story though and I do not think Tina made it up. So if you are as weak a man as to beat up on and be jealous of your wife maybe you should be vilified.
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shulamite
Comment: Kaya - rotflol!!!!! For Real! Phil was like "Ike, fool, you shouldv'e put her six feet under when I told you to!". I mean, really, could his family not have found a *slightly* more appropriate individual to eulogize the man instead of Spector?
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Renetta
Comment: It's only appropriate a murderer eulogize Ike. Fck spector - he hates women too. We don't need white men (Imus) telling Black America how it should treat black women. Fck him. white men think most black women are whores anyway so why in the fck should we care what they think? Fck him and all the ikes, ludacris, 50 cents and any other man black or white that disrepects women. Tired of this bullshyt - a man I USED to go with idolized ike. Please. Grow up.
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recognizelife
Comment: how a evil no good idiot like could have so much genius is beyond me, maybe that's part of being a psychopath..."the evil that men do live on after them, the good is often interred with thier bones" - Shakespeare
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Synthia
Comment: I agree with Phil to some extent and I'm glad he said something redeeming about Ike as a musician. IT's true the movie demonized him and everyone jumped on the drama as truth and didn't care about whether facts were left out or embellished.
Anyone in a relationship knows there are two sides to every story. Ike was no angel, but he wasn't all demon either. His musical legacy needs to be properly recognized. I've no doubt that Tina Turner embellished her story for commercial purposes.
If you stay with a volatile person, genius though he was, take responsiblity ... especially when you are bigger than him in size and could have beat his azz ... don't play the victim card non stop. You made choices and you particpated in a strange relationship.
For Tina to not even acknowledge his death did not sit well with me. She must be one of those persons who, when involved with something bad, always thinks she's the good person and all the fault belongs to the other person. After all those years and hits together, she has not an ounce or professional respect and couldn't even show up to the funeral of the father of her children?
As soon as Ike dies, Tina announces she's turning What's love Got to Do With It into a musical. LOL. Talk about a opportunist. She's gonna play this victim role for all its worth.
Ike made Tina. HE told her what to wear, how to look, and how to sing. She is a glorified Apollonia who has stayed in the spotlight by bashing the genius who gave her a career.
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shulamite
Comment: Tina has gone crazy. She thinks that she and Ike are reincarnations of two Egyptian rulers, in which she was the mother and he was the evil son who backstabbed her. I'm glad she didn't show at the funeral.
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khufu
Comment: Phil Spector was waaaayyyy out of place......
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Niyofu
Comment: You know both Phil and Ike were batters of their wives and men who refuse to accept what they did was wrong, however like Ike, Phil will meet his maker and be judge accordingly. Ike was a gifted man and had a hugh ego and probaly felt he was out-shined by Tina's success and saw her coming into her own and felt like a "backup musician". Admitting your "wrong" is such a hugh step and one most people have a difficult time doing.
May he rest in peace.
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gingerg
Comment: Ike didn't make Tina. She had God-given talent. He gave her exposure. I don't think she owed it to him to stay there and let him kill her because of it.
I wouldn't have gone to the funeral, either. If we were not on good terms, I don't want to go to your funeral and I would not disrespect you by showing up and claiming to feel sorry about the event. Now, the fact that they have children together makes showing up seem like the decent thing to do, but who knows. I wouldn't show up at my own funeral if I didn't have to. I've never liked them.
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gingerg
Comment: Ike's story also speaks to the power and danger of addictions. It has been reported that he was 76, still partying with the ladies and doing crack. You just can't continue to abuse your body like that and plan to keep living. Folks could just be lying on Ike, but I doubt it.
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PHScott
Comment: I had the pleasure of meeting Ike Turner once (in 1997). Nice man... Nice man with a chip on his shoulder and an axe to grind. He despised Tina for the success she attained WITHOUT him. He never accepted his place in life as a "star-maker". He wanted to be a star himself. Think of how much different his life would have been had he realized his place in the world and excelled at it. Instead, he let it consume him. R.I.P., Ike...
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shulamite
Comment: Another music great died today... Oscar Peterson.
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PHScott
Comment: Oh yeah, I forgot. Phil Spector... Does anyone really give a sh*t what Phil fu*king Spector has to say?
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Sexee
Comment: This coming from a murderer and a control freak... Don't you have some guns to turn in? What a piece of work!
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MetroScribe
Comment: What else would you expect from a wrinkled,fried poodle-haired murderer?
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gingerg
Comment: Poodle-haired? LOL!
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CalyQT
Comment: I laughed all through this piece. Not an Ike or Tina fan, I could care less about his life but as for Tina - I feel her pain and respect the fact that she did what she had to do for HER & not other people by not showing up to pay tribute to a man who had already died in her mind over 30 years ago.
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soulmusic101
Comment: There are 3 sides to every story. I love how Peep's act like they lived with Ike and Tina and know for a fact what happened.
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arenaissancemind
Comment: Ike was a genius. Tina had talent. There are 3 sides to every story. However, he didn't have the right to beat her %*$ and we all know he did. He should have left, got out, kicked her out or whatever, but he didn't have the right to beat her and she doesn't have the right to slander him, because Tina is no angel.
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Taurusingr
Comment: Phil Spector..This ladies & gentlemen is a..... FOOL!!! As for his comments, It does figure HE would feel some solidarity with other ABUSERS!
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Taurusingr
Comment: P.S. This Clay Akin (at the age of 70 lookin) %*$!(@! needs to stop making STUPID statements & start worrying about NOT dropping that soap!!! Wait, that might be one of his fantasies! Never mind!
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Jack_Blackmusic
Comment: For "soulmusic101" you might be surprised just how many "peeps" do know what is the story, but keep other people's business to them selves.
Highly unfortunate for most of the posters on this site, but Phil (with his crazy self) does make several points in his arguemment. I myself had always wished the both (Ike, and Tina) well and blessings; what I didn't wish is them together. Very good people who did not belong together, but were. Almost everybody I know is complicated, but then that is me. I do not know about all you simple folks. You would never hear about Tina's jealousy against the sister you all call Chaka Khan, but at one time she was an Ike'ette and had real problems with Tina,and Ike (for obviously different reasons) and left with her life intact after some serious scuffles in the band. Tina's oldest son's dad was really "one" of the trumpet players from the midwest, not Ike's by birth. All of this controversy should really be put to rest unless any body here really needs to get involved with investigative reporting. Believe me let it rest.
Peace!, and Merry Christmas, and Kwanzaa to you all (where applicable)
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Grace12_34
Comment: MetroScribe, you have SUCH a way with words!!! I couldn't have said it better myself!!!
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Cali_Stunner
Comment: Phil needs to sit his broke-down, crazy azz down somewhere and shut the %*$!( up! Phil wouldn't have had the nerve to speak about Ike's supposed saintliness in any type of forum other than at his funeral. Whenever people are eulogized, their eulogizers get selective amnesia and gloss over the deceased imperfections. So, I am not surprised by Phil and his attention-whoring ways. As far as Tina Turner is concerned, I don't even think that it was necessary for her to attend his funeral. Like one of the posters stated, why should she show up all fake at his funeral shedding crocodile tears? In her statement, she did make a point of saying that she hadn't spoken to him in 35 years and had moved on with her life....
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Kensbroh
Comment: I had a problem with the movie when a few years later, I found out that Tina have a child by a sessions player that was the same age as Ike, Jr. The movie portrayed her as an innocent virgin who Ike deflowered, which in truth was a lie. It kind of makes you wonder what else was a lie as well.
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clotel
Comment: Phil is a stone cold trip !!!! He was married to a sista who he discovered back in the 60s. Her name is Ronnie and along with two other women, became a very successful girl group. Years after the divorce, Ronnie wrote a tell all book about her tumultuous marriage to Spector and she also sat in court during his recent trial and never spoke on his behalf. In addition, Phil has the 'Napoleon Syndrome' which explains the big hair and platform shoes. No one is taking anything away from Ike (RIP) but come on....abuse is abuse and excuses and denial is just pathetic for a piece of a man with extreme anger issues !!!!!!!
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Name:
Nonnie
Comment: Well written article. It really shows how and down and out, dirty and unfair the music business was back then and now if and when you get bad publicity and poor producers.
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MzTee
Comment: Mr. Spector should have kept those comments to himself. I also don't understand why folks feel Tina should go to the funeral. She hadn't spoken to Ike in years. He was no longer a part of her life and she was no longer a part of his. No one is obligated to go to anyone's funeral. On another note, Tina wasn't an angel by any means and her book "I Tina" disclosed far more of her life story than the movie "What's Love Got to Do with It" did. Tina didn't have anything to do with the movie and to this day has never seen it. So don't blame her for what the movie chose to depict because like all biographies it took dramatic liberties.
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Name:
oshun
Comment: Wow! so much venom against Tina at a memorial service for Ike??!! Some one should have politely escorted Phil from the pulpit. How dare he!
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Name:
amethyst
Comment: Synthia - Have you or anyone very close to you ever been a victim of domestic violence, molestation or other traumatic experience? I grew up around domestic violence and witnessed it many times as a child. Sometimes there is nothing a former abuser can do that is so great that it supercedes the pain and scars that he caused. You can forgive the person, and he may even apologize and/or change. Still, when you see him you don't see a great musician, minister, business man, father, or whatever, you still see the person who caused you some of the worst pain you've ever had. I don't blame Tina for not going to his funeral or for saying about him. At least she didn't say anything negative. I can still see images of abuse I witnessed more than 30 years ago as if it were yesterday. Some things you don't ever forget.
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Name:
Vee8babe
Comment: Amethyst, I agree with you 1000%. Didn't Phil Spector's ex wife, the black one, say he was an abusive control freak? And how did Tina slander Ike, by telling the truth? There are three sides to every story, his side, her side and the truth, but I wouldn't give a damn if she screwed everyone in the band, it doesn't give him a right to put his hands on her which he did do and tried to downplay it when asked about it. Oh, I just hit her with an open hand, never a fist.
It reminds me of Christmas day when some relatives were talking about my grandfather and saying how he was so wise and so this and so that. I just looked at them because I knew him to be the man that busted my grandmothers head open with a gun, blacked her eye and busted her lip on several ocassions. God don't like ugly and neither do most humans by the looks of things!!!!!
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sweetpea
Comment: Phil Spector is probably an abuser himself and a weirdo. He probably did kill that woman. If Ike wasn't an abuser why didn't sue Tina for defamation of character?
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