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Name:
Teigh
Comment: Rihanna? cookie cutter Beyonce? definitely cookie cutter and if you know anything about Kylie Monogue then you'd know that most of what Beyonce does that's even remotely called "edgy" (performance and costume)is a blatant rip off of something Kylie did the year before. Kylie couldn't get arrested in America but she is huge in Europe....Natalie is really tripping, or did she forget the extent of her drug problems. Her mother took her to court to take control of her finances. She was well past 25 when that happened. Her comeback was basically riding the coat tales of her father's success and then she had the gall not to allow her R&B/club hit that Cliviles and Cole created for her (can't even remember it now) to be used on their retrospective project. Someone said yesterday that Amy get's a pass while Whitney did not. Not true -- Amy isn't getting a pass by a long shot. And Amy like Whitney was never a large girl to begin with. She's a working class girl from a Jewish family (translation a white Keyshia Cole -- dysfunction with a capital D). She created Frank while dating Blake. He dumped her (probably for excessive drug and alcohol abuse)...the result of Amy's heartbreak is the critically acclaimed "Back To Black" which appears to be her way of dealing with that loss -- she wrote about it detailing her anger, self abuse and pain. Blake came back they got married and in due time both will realize they are not good for each other. Who heard that at 25 and listened? Back to Natalie who had her share of bad relationships (Marvin Yancy who while was responsible for most of her hits was not good for her). Did Natalie listen? NO. I certainly don't advocate drug use, but if you eliminated anyone from eligibility because of it -- very few would be left standing...including Natalie herself. Perhaps Amy strikes such a cord with Natalie because the core of the problem is a fixation on a guy that isn't good for her ...maybe a little to close to home for Natalie because it happened to her.
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Teigh
Comment: And if anyone has ever read anything Amy had to say about her massive succes -- it wasn't something she sought out. She wants to be married and have kids. The demand for her appearances simply got out of control...Blake showed up midway through her launch in the US and simultaneously the industry "gravy train" got out of control. Folks were buying legal music. When she was launched to hip hop it was billed as "jay Z's" latest find, even though "You Know I'm no Good" first appeared on GhostFace Killer's Fishscales project. Everyone wanted a piece of this girl who was never really stable to begin with.
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nightshift
Comment: Teigh, you on the money with this. They jumped on Amy's quick about her habit, but with Whitney and Natalie included, we were not "allowed" to see their destruction until their "people" couldn't handle them any more. I'm still shocked Natalie came off her crack pipe like that. Drugs or not Whitney & Amy have talent. Something which the Natalies, Beyondmes & rhiannas(brains), don't have. I never like Natalies voice, it always sounded strained even at the begining of a song.
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bigfriend
Comment: Oh my! I agree 10000%! I was thinking this same thing.. Please do not let her win. She is a dope feind and yes on one hand she is a talented artist, it does give the idea that your personal life has nothing to do with it it does! it gives the wrong message. She should not have won.
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Teigh
Comment: nightshift...genius observation on Natalie & Whitney. You're exactly right. And if Amy was really getting a pass, she would have BEEN IN LA Sunday night. HELLO they did not allow her into the country. Her performance on the Grammy's was good but I've seen much better (and most times I've seen her live she started out sober but ended sloshed). When you consider that the week before she was busted with the crack pipe and appeared via satellite to a world wide audience; gotta give it to her. Folks have faltered under less pressure. What I truly wonder is (a) can she complete a tour sober because the demand for her is still at a all time high and (b) what will she write about next because if you think about Mary for a minute...folks loved her when she was at the depth of despair. Ain't too much love for her balanced life from that same fraction. Let's not put color into this -- Amy is not the first artist to write and sing about their life.
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GHank
Comment: Is the Grammy's like getting a sports Hall of Fame award? Does the rules say that in order to receive one, you have to have high moral character?
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TGen
Comment: Okay, what a bizarre story. What could have possibly been Natalie Cole's motive for speaking about this lady like this...except for what you state Teigh in your last sentence in your first comment--this seems to be a classic case of reflecting, it's just bizarre that it's being done in public. lol Wow, Natalie, wow. On this Winehouse lady, I totally missed the boat on when this person become apparently such a phenom. I decided to listen to her hits yesterday after all the talk about her supposed great music and I must say I was sorely disappointed, couldn't believe the same tattoo-laced, druggie looking young lady singing in the style of 50's era folk music was this supposed musical genius, lol. I also didn't see where the great songwriting came in, just sounded like someone singing about everyday life like most songs to me. I just didn't get it. I also didn't get "R&B" from her style as I read that it was supposed to be yesterday. I thought her voice was unique but not necessarily spectacular. So basically I was just left shaking my head, wondering where I've been the past year or so not knowing who this "music genius" is and once hearing her music, not really hearing the "genius" part, lol. Btw, not saying she should have or shouldn't have won because Lord knows her competition might have been even less impressive than her (which says a lot about the state of today's music, huh?), but for Natalie to bring up the overexposed Beyonce and overrated Rhianna as possible replacements is just hilarity. lol I digress
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PlanetRock
Comment: Natalie Cole criticizing Amy Winehouse is like the pot calling the kettle black.
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Teigh
Comment: T-Gen you make a great point as well. Amy is not typical R&B. Universal took the two songs that they thought could impact radio "Rehab" and "You Know I'm No Good" and pushed it to the rap/hip-hop & R&B audience. Also keep in mind that Radio (and music) is very different in the UK. It's more diverse. The genius of Amy Winehouse (in my opinion) is that she is not limited to one demographic -- the 45+ year old music lover likes her project. She's so closely identified in black radio for "Rehab" but mainstream radio and critics cite "Love Is A Losing Game" and "Back To Black" when referencing her....at the end of the day it's all about massive music sales and not just from the tween set.
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Gurlfrand
Comment: yeah, but, Natalie got her life in order - she's not still a coke fiend like she was back in the day - her music career was placed on hold and her family took over her business affairs until she got cleaned up and then she made her comeback in the mid-80's.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: if high moral character was part of being in the entertainment business, then a significant number of AA entertainers would not be in the business . . . people who have been down the rocky road and get reformed can be mighty tough judges of people who fall by the wayside . . . Natalie's ego and vanity are front and center in her comments about Amy
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FiveMore
Comment: Off topic:Yes, Chrisette Michele didn't receive a Grammy nod?She isn't a crackhead, or a rehab dodger!The Grammys suck because Chrisette has real talent!
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Harleyquinn
Comment: Why did she say Beyonce or Rihanna should have won? Why those two? What about the other artists? The Grammy should go to the person who recorded the BEST song; it should not be a judgement of a person's lifestyle. Besides, who knows what Rihanna and Beyonce are doing behind closed doors.....
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recognizelife
Comment: Natalie is way out of line on this....while I agree that she needs help and if she is a drug fiend that is morally wrong, these trophies are given out based on other standards...she won by these same rules.
Chrisette was nominated along with Angie Stone but they did not win.
However the fact that they give these trophies are insignificant. All this praise for themselves is over done.
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Renetta
Comment: I'm not going to comment on Natalie's past because that's her past. I LOVED AMY'S PERFORMANCE. She's REAL. Yes she has flaws, but I loved the fact that she is REAL. I'm so sick of these phony azzed plastic azzed singers - with their plastic, clothes and their plastic shoes, jewelery et all - BORED BORED BORED. Alicia Keys, Kanye, The Time, Hancock and Winehouse were the only things that interested me on the whole show. That white woman has soul. I'll pray for her like I pray for Whitney. And Natalie should know - you can't stop a drug addict by denying them an award - that need to change comes from within - them believing they're worthy of change and on that track the award might inspire her to get her life in order because she has something to live for. Natalie - you kick a person when they're down they stay down - you give them some encouragement (an award) they might just believe in themselves enough to change.
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cookyd
Comment: Natalie must have forgotten about her drug problem. Winning a grammy has nothing to do with your personal life. As we always said "It Takes One To Know One".
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Kaya
Comment: I don't get Amy Winehouse at all but I will say this-- If living clean and drug free is criteria for winning grammys then more than half the people who came to the Staples Center expecting to win should have stayed home. On another note, I got Herbie's album about a month ago and it has been in heavy rotation in my car. I am so happy for him....
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McNasty
Comment: I love Natalie and kinda understand where she's coming from but for what Teigh said - 'if you eliminated anyone from eligibility because of it'. There aren't a whole lot of actors, actresses, singers - just plain industry folk that haven't indulged even to excess and because of what she's gone through - and the industry welcomed her back she is the last one to criticize. Her choices for replacement prove that Natalie obviously thinks she missed something during her own comeback. TGen you're not the lone ranger cause I've listened to AW and don't hear the genius but then I don't hear the genius of Chrissette Michelle either - her voice just straight annoys me! The fact that awards shows choose to ignore talent over popularity keeps me from wasting electricity on the whole program. I channel surf and catch exactly what I want to see and no more.
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yardi76
Comment: Been a while since I chimmed in on something but I am back, I have been listening to Amy for a long time so I am a bit biased, but I will say this, Natalie Cole is a dang hypocrite because she is a little freebasing crack head herself. How dare her be so self absorbed, it sounds more like bitterness because a young white girl from England came along and took the world by storm when her "entitled" behind could not do it in full. Amy has problems and we all can see that but she does have talent and she did deserve the awards she won, she was not in an image contest, she was in the running for a music award. She left rehab to do the filming for the grammys. I think what Cole should have done was reach out to her and offer assistance not come down like she is the reigning authority of drug heads, she has not had a hit since she teamed up with her late father to revive his music and that was more a nostalgic hit than anything else.
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Teigh
Comment: Speak it yardi76 speak it!!!
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BigBlackRod
Comment: Natalie Cole is far beyond hypocritical to say what she did about Amy Winehouse. Her past drug use and recovery should have driven her to reach out to Amy instead of burying her. I have Natalie's "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" in the Jimmy, and I think that the album from which that song came is the best live recording ever (and I am fully aware that "Frampton Comes Alive" exists); heaven knows what sort of contraband substances she ingested before THAT concert. Natalie Cole came off like a bitter, frustrated old hag, whose best days are behind her. I am a recovering addict, and I know that if it wasn't for other addicts in recovery, I would never have been able to claim my seventeenth year of being clean. Natalie Cole needs to remember the dark, stank hole she crawled out of...PEACE.
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Harleyquinn
Comment: As for whom Cole would have rather seen grab the Grammy statue, the singer replied, "Rihanna, even Beyonce. I just feel like they're ready to go the long haul. You can tell how hard they work, they're great people, their heart is in the right place. These are the people we should be praising, these are the people we should be encouraging."......................................... ........................WHY BEYONCE AND RIHANNA? IS IT BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK? AND THE OTHER ARTISTS DON'T WORK HARD? HOW DO YOU KNOW THEIR HEARTS ARE IN THE RIGHT PLACE? WHERE WILL BEYONCE AND RIHANNA BE IN THE NEXT 5? 10? 15? YEARS? AMY YOU DESERVED YOUR AWARD GIRL; DON'T LET ANYONE TELL YOU DIFFERENTLY!
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bigchassie
Comment: RENETTA>I agree with you on that one.
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Name:
golfebj
Comment: Natalie is not the one who should be making this statement. She has made it pass the addiction and is to some extent legendary.
What if we would have given up on her like she suggests that we give up on Amy Winehouse then she wouldn't have been on that stage that night.
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Sigmatherunner
Comment: With all the alcohol and drug abuse that goes in that industry, The Grammys need to create a new category… The Drunken, High on Drugs award. That way true artist will not get the shaft to burn-out losers.
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butterpecanrican
Comment: The message that we are sending is that drugged out winos make music we want to hear. Hate to break it to ya hon but we've been sending that message for years now. This ain't nothing new!
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Rahwaykid1
Comment: This is the MUSIC business, not church. Do not expect the MUSIC business to give a flyin' fvck about any individual. It's about sales and POPularity.I like Amy simply because, and I think this is why most people like her, she is outside of the box in this country. In the UK and Europe, the Dap Kings have been doing this for years so it's nothing new. Natalie has her opinion and I'm sure she's speaking from her heart, but Rhianna? Beyonce? Please.
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...Yeah, why Beyonce and Rihanna?...What about Jill and Chrisette?...Angie?...Im gonna have to go to rehab...I gotta go-go-go...Nobody dissed Nat while she was on the blow, blow, blow...She won her awards...Glady's nor Patty 'nem were saying no,no,no...Look, I like Amy...The album is tight...I like all that retro sh1t...Hey, it strikes me as being funny as he11 seeing this drunk white babe singing with those Black cats...Sorta like the retro-pips..huh?...Kinda reminds me of a SNL skit....
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MetroScribe
Comment: I think Natalie has a point, but still...there's just something that rubs me wrong about her comments. First, if she's that concerned about her, she should reach out to her PRIVATELY and not put her on blast in public.
Second, if she's going to lecture Amy, then she needs to lecture everyone else and de-personalize it. Like someone else said, we have no idea what other folks are doing behind closed doors.
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khufu
Comment: 1) She should not be rewarded for her "bad" behaviour
2) she should be rewarded for her talent and her artistic accomplishments? Yes
3) if "bad" behaviour were the criteria to determine whether an artist should be rewarded or should win an award...there would be no award ceremonies or presentations PERIOD!
4) When Natalie was drugging, did she win an award? was she even nominated? If so, did she refuse ANY recognition at all because of her "bad" behaviour at that time?
4Note: While I agree with the fact that the rewarding of an artist for their artisitic accomplishments sends mixed signals, I dont agree that an artist should be censored or penalized IN THIS CASE.
Mind you, I am aware that I dont feel like R Kelly should be continualy supported or recognized so that SEEMS like a contradiction.
a) In his case, the crime was committed against another person-- a minor
b) Life is filled with contradictions..
:--)
However, I also think
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Teigh
Comment: B00taneB00tus....love your comments, but what I think we all want to know is WHEN ARE YOU GONNA LAUNCH YOUR STAND UP CAREER? I don't know what your day job is...but Boot you need a mic and a room WITH THE QUICKNESS. I still laugh out loud when I think of your comments on Terry McMillian bring that man back from Jamaica.
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khufu
Comment: Natalie could have offered up a more supportive position but then again, maybe she said what she said to put her name in the public spotlight......otherwise who knew what she was doing
Aside: She looked gooooooooooood! Natalie that is.
And Alicia Key's looked simply angelic...
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Name:
khufu
Comment: brilliant and valid point!!
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...Yeah, why Beyonce and Rihanna?...What about Jill and Chrisette?...Angie?
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HHCassius
Comment: Chrisette Michelle and Heather Headley -- OVERRRATED...
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arkansasgirl
Comment: I didn't realize Natalie Cole was so far gone off of drugs till I seen the movie about her life. Teresa Randle played Natalie. Anyway, I think Natalie would be better off reaching out to Amy instead of talking about her. And I'll pass on Rihanna. How about Ledisi. Now that's a talented singer.
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Teigh
Comment: Khufu> Natalie got turned down by every record label (on her own) until she hooked up with Marvin Yancy and his partner and recorded a demo with their songs. Pretty much all of her hits were written by Yancy/Jackson. For much of her early success...she was drugging. Natalie and marvin Yancy were out of control. Marvin Yancy died at 34 years old -- I don't even think his conversion to a gospel preacher helped him. She did not win a Grammy until the Unforgetable project, which was her comeback project after cleaning up her act. Natalie has not had any more success with men than Amy, Natalie has been married and divorced three times. I honestly believe that Amy hits a little close to home for Natalie. Your point about R. Kelly is intriging. Now if anyone got a pass in light of their behavior R. Kelley did. When Marvin Gaye married Janis, she was underaged but folks were still supporting him...You're absolutely right -- life is complicated!
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khufu
Comment: Hetaher Headly over-rated? me thinks not. She is a trained performer and is truly a wonderful vocalist AND song stylist!
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Name:
khufu
Comment: thanks TEIGH Yancy was 34--that's right. Wow..
Natalie looked good though
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Angel
Comment: HHCassius - Don't you DARE talk about my girl Chrisette Michelle. I LOVE that CD. It's been in heavy rotation on my ipod since I bought it last year. You betta move on to somebody else. LOL
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TGen
Comment: HHCassius, I agree with you on Chrisette Michelle being overrated, but I don't know about Heather Headley. I don't think she's been pumped up as much as Michelle, and I think she's very talented. So I don't know about that one.
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Angel
Comment: I don't have a problem with Natalie's comment (except for the Rihanna endorsement). I think if these artists knew that illegal behavior would hurt their chances of getting recognized with awards, maybe the drug problems and other illegal habits would start to decrease in that industry.
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Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: I grew up listening to Natalie Cole and I love her. But she could not be any more WRONG on this one. I agree with the others who posted that Natalie should have spent her energy reaching out to help Amy instead of tearing her down. And that talk about encouraging Beyonce and Rhianna is rubbish. Those two "vocalists" are marginally talented (except Beyonce has better moves) and a big part of their success is their cookie-cutter look and appeal to the masses. Why encourage mediocrity? I agree with Boot- encourage TALENT- Jill, Angie, Chrisette. Natalie you could have taken this opportunity to do some good for a young woman who is obviously hurting, and since you have "been there, done that" you can offer her the insight and encouragement she really needs. Shame on you.
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CoCoCaramel
Comment: I think Natalie is being a little hypocritical, she won the Best New Artist grammy for This Will Be and she was strung out on Heroin..the only difference between Natalie and Amy is that everyone knows of AW's drug abuse, no one knew that Natalie was shooting up heroin her mom went through great lengths to keep that hidden from the public...
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khufu
Comment: ANGEL while I agree name one award recepient that you believe doesnt have a human issue to contend with..
and the endorsement of Beyonce: hmmmm, it;s okay to sell sex and lust huh Natalie? it's okay to for Beyonce to embody, promote and perpetuate the sexual objectification of women....
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Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: >TGen- Chrisette stays in rotation in my truck. LOVE her. Her intonation and phrasing remind me of Phoebe Snow, especially on the song "Mr. Radio." She has great range as well. I hope this lawsuit thing she's involved in gets straightened out because I look forward to future projects from her.
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CoCoCaramel
Comment: And as for Marvin Yancy not being good for Natalie,(he made her a star) it was the other way around, Natalie was a bad influence on him, it was she who got him hooked on coke...
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khufu
Comment: hey you know what Amy Whitehouse should say to Natalie:
"If Miss Cole will give back her award then I will seriously conisder what she said about me..."
Name: CoCoCaramel
Comment: I think Natalie is being a little hypocritical, she won the Best New Artist grammy for This Will Be and she was strung out on Heroin.
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khufu
Comment: brilliant point....we always want to make the woman the victim of the man
Name: CoCoCaramel
Comment: And as for Marvin Yancy not being good for Natalie,(he made her a star) it was the other way around, Natalie was a bad influence on him, it was she who got him hooked on coke...
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musbdherbs
Comment: As an ex-drug abuser, Natalie has every right to speak out as she did. What she is saying is no different than the criticism many others hurl at hip-hop artists for living a life we disagree with or the message they are presenting to the world. WTF should Amy be different? Is it because you like her music more? Doesn't matter because we are still rewarding "ghetto" azz behavior. Sure many celebs indulge. Amy is not just indulging, she's spiraling downward. Re: Beyonce/Rhianna, I believe Natalie was suggesting that it is not just talent but everything (including personal responsibility that goes along w/it) that should be rewarded in the industry. So, beyonce indifference aside, B has worked w/some of the legends, Luther, Prince, and now Tina. Either they see some'n ya'll don't or the three of them are so desparate that they'll sacrifice talent for exposure.
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Teigh
Comment: Heather Hedley started her career on Broadway. Her voice was trained for theater...cococaramel, forgot she won best new artist for This will Be and how ironic Natalie was strung out when she won her first Grammy and Amy was IN REHAB....as nighshift posted earlier we only heard about Whitney and Natalie when their people could not control them. I really liked Natalie Cole's "Ask a Woman Who Knows" but she is way out of line with her comments. If that's the case then give back her first Grammy because she was rewarded while on bad behavior...and if memory serves me she still has strained relations with her mother. Her mother faced far more obstacles being Nat Cole's wife at the time of his success than anything that girl went through. Natalie was brought up priviledged and had everything.
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Angel
Comment: khufu - Everybody has human issues. I'm talking illegal, moreso sustained illegal behavior. Most folks in the world have to abide by the law or they end up without a job and they definitely don't end up being rewarded. Why should entertainers be treated differently?
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sigmascribe
Comment: musb};-);-) You have Herbs in your name and you posted that statement...I'm just laughing at the irony;-)
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Name:
Angel
Comment: Thank you Musb. Folks know dayum well that if they had a strung out coworker getting busted every month and they got promoted above them or rewarded "Employee of the Month", they would lose their dayum mind. LOL
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Teigh
Comment: Angel...Rocording artists are not considered employees. Back in the day actors were on contract to studios, not anymore. Back in the day songwriters got better deals than singers. Recording artists basically get an advance (loan) to create a project...after it's released all of the costs to create that project are deducted by the record company and anything left (if anything's left) is considered profit. If you write your own songs -- then you may get a publishing deal where you are advanced money on your portion of royalties for the song you wrote. Recording artist or actors don't get benefits, insurance or a retirement plan. When the deal is up they are free agents to enter into another deal. Same with Athletes.
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sigmascribe
Comment: I'm confused...it was the Grammy's not the Nobel Prize for Music...or the Saint's of Entertainment.......it's the Grammy's......Natalie is acting like Amy is the first artist that received a statue that had an addiction. It's for a freakin CD, not community activism!!!!
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Name:
Angel
Comment: Teigh - I know they are not employees. I was using the coworker scenario only as an example.
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: Angel...my post referred to this post you made: "Most folks in the world have to abide by the law or they end up without a job and they definitely don't end up being rewarded. Why should entertainers be treated differently?"
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Name:
Cappaucino
Comment: News Flash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!9 0% of musicians and celebrities are on drugs, most keep it hidden...
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Name:
thechocolate10
Comment: on a lighter note anybody that can give a shout out to Ray Ray and her man in lock up is alright by me. lol
Her song Valerie is hot too.
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sigmascribe
Comment: Choc10}I agree, the RayRay, and Blake in lockup made me chuckle...:-) Maybe Natalie thought Amy got the Grammy for Best New Gospel Artist.
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Teigh
Comment: thechocolate10> and isn't it interesting that you can only get "Valerie" and "Addicted" if you get her import deluxe version. I don't like the version of Valerie on Mark Ronson's project...too much going on musically. The acoustic version of this Zuton's hit is my favorite.
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sonnyd
Comment: She was being hypocritical and there's no way to pretty that up...unless what she said was taken out of context, which happens all the time, too. At any rate...Amy's best song is Valerie, in my opinion, that's on Mark Ronson's album.
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sonnyd
Comment: Teigh - you're right. That one is the better version to me, too.
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Name:
oldsoul
Comment: I may be wrong - didn't have the space to read the other comments today - but wasn't Natalie Cole on dope during a period in her life? Wait a minute, it's coming back to me...by George, she was, she was on dope back in the day! Leave Winehouse alone and just do you, Natalie! At the end of the day, it should be about talent and body of work, apolitically. Personally, however, f**k the Grammys...it's "mostly" about sales, image and popularity, mostly. Peace to Herbie, though!
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Angel
Comment: Teigh - OK change job to "job, gig, contract, etc." is that better? My point is most folks don't get a "pass" on law abiding. At my job we hire independent contractors for many things, but they still have to abide by our ethics policy...which includes being drug free and law abiding.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Angel, most people are talking out the side of their necks on this one. You damn right about the co-worker thing and I don't think employee/contractor thing matters. The sports/entertainment industry rewards lawlessness and drug abuse. How Natalie is wrong for pointing to that fact is beyond me. If Nas' yet to be released "nygger" album does well and is nominated for a Grammy, many of you same people will object to it and will have little to do w/how "great" it may be. So let's be real.
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khufu
Comment: AMY whitehouse looks like Laura Nyro to me
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: Angel...it's not a point of being "better" you can't get fired for being a drug addict... That's against the law in America...nor can you discriminate against a former addict (or felon for that matter). You get fired if your problem becomes known and you don't accept your employers help...which doesn't apply to musicians and recording artists...
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: And what did B rip off of Kylie from the year before? The space thing? And what else? Ya'll kill me w/these exaggerations.
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: Marvin and his partner knew full well that Natalie was on drugs when they started working with her. If being drug free was all that important to him than he would not have worked with her. Natalie is no victim...and neither was Marvin Yancy. You can't make someone do something they don't want to do.
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Name:
sdedee
Comment: Very good comments Teigh. This IS the pot calling the kettle black (sorry but I favor Amy's voice over Nat) for free publicity on a virtually none existent career.
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khufu
Comment: TEIGH does that apply to Kanye's mom as well? is this truth applicable to her?
Name: Teigh
Comment: Marvin and his partner knew full well that Natalie was on drugs when they started working with her. If being drug free was all that important to him than he would not have worked with her. Natalie is no victim...and neither was Marvin Yancy. You can't make someone do something they don't want to do.
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Name:
BigBlackRod
Comment: They tearin' Natalie a new azzhole on her OWN website...PEACE.
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Name:
allaboutlydia
Comment: Natalie Cole not a good singer???? Are you deaf? Natalie Cole can blow. Have you heard her scat? Inseperable, No plans for the future, etc were all examples of her incredible voice. I am not familiar with Amy Winehouse nor Chrisette so I cannot comment on their works. However, I don't agree with the endorsement of Rhianna and Beyonce (marginally talented.. but nowadays it's looks that count not talent). Furthermore I was not impressed with Beyonces duet with Tina Turner.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: TEIGH is this TRUTH also applicable to the good Prophetess and her Bishop husband?
are all people in all circumstances REALLY responsible and accountable for their OWN actions and choices and the results and outcomes thereof?
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Name:
sigmascribe
Comment: So going off what is written in this little EUR piece....why couldn't Amy receive her Grammy...she IS addressing her addiction in rehab now. How long would she have to be off drugs before she could receive a Grammy?
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: Amy's drunk, cracked out azz did not deserve any awards.
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: Planetrock, Natalie has straightened up now. Leave her alone.
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: Khufu> Personally I think it's very immature to hold someone else responsible for a choice you made. In the case of Kanye's mom Unfortunately Donda West made a bad decision and as folks posted when she passed had she followed the original advise given her she'd still be here. As far as natalie Cole/Marvin Yancy and Juanita Bynum and her estranged husband -- the common demoninator in their entanglements is that (a) both situations were about chasing fame and money at all costs and (b) drugs are involved with Bynam & Weeks just as they were with Cole/Yancy -- it just hasn't come out yet.
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Name:
sdedee
Comment: HH say it again, that damn chrissete or how ever you spell it is a yoddling annoying mess. Can she just disappear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry fans, she grates my fycking nerves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Name:
khufu
Comment: coltrane
hendrix
joplin
drig addicts all
great artists all
who else?
Marvin gaye was tortured....dont know if he drugged
sheet most jazz artists back in the day were drugging....
Im not condoning it just saying if human issues were the criteria...
again however...molestation, rape, murder and sheet like that are totally different...
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Name:
HarrisThomas
Comment: great way to keep the conversation flowing: Name: khufu Comment: TEIGH is this TRUTH also applicable to the good Prophetess and her Bishop husband? are all
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Khufu, charlie parker, billie, and more. Drugs aren't new to hollywood. Hell, even Natalie knows that. This is all about who you like. Whitney was on drugs and we wanted to hold prayer vigils. If Ashanti were on drugs we wouldn't give a damn.
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: Khufu> are you suggesting that it's acceptable for Whitney to blame Bobby for her descent into crack...they both did drugs; Bobby only found out later that Whit was pedigreed in drug use and he was an amateur (probably a likely scenario with Natalie & Marvin). Whitney & Bobby & Whit, Amy & Blake, Natalie & Marvin all remind me of the classic film "Days Of Wine & Roses"...
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Name:
khufu
Comment: TEIGH Nah...what did I say that makes you think that?
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Name:
indipindintthnkr
Comment: I was just about to add my two cents about drugs and musicians/singers going hand in hand. Has anyone mentioned that Ike Turner won a grammy last year and was a known drug user to the extent that he just recently od.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Listen realities about entertainment industry
1) drugs are prevalent
2) sex
3) exploitation
4) stealing of material
5) fake people
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Name:
khufu
Comment: 6) lots os parties
7) lots of money
Note: did I mention sex and drugs?
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: Khufu> expand a little more on "are all people in all circumstances REALLY responsible and accountable for their OWN actions and choices and the results and outcomes thereof?" I think people should be accountable for their actions and choices. That doesn't mean they are. In the choice of medicine and law -- thay ae considered "Practices" and and "art" -- and in that case a person should base their decision on the information they have on hand -- in those cases you don't have any control over the results or outcome. They are not exact sciences despite folks wanting us to believe otherwise.
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: and in the case of Donda West...she was advised against that surgery based on her existing condition. She did not take the advise she was given. She sought someone who would not focus on that. Personally I think Adams was sleazy and should not have done the surgery...in the end he was cleared. I would think the issue that determines whether Kanye & family can sue is whether Adams advised her about her heart condition although TRUTHFULLY Ms. West was already informed. She chose not to take the recommendation seriously not thinking it could cost her her life.
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Name:
beegirl
Comment: Who is rewarding Amy's lifestyle? I believe the Grammys awarded her album. She didn't get a Grammy for Drug Abuser of the Year. "Rehab," if you listen to it, is very personal. The lyrics are 10 times more truthful than any other "ooh baby baby" song on the radio. N. Cole is just stupid. If she had won a Grammy when she was abusing, I'm sure she wouldn't be trying to give it back. Amy could win a million awards and it wouldn't make me want to be a crackhead.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: TEIGH
circumstances present themselves...people have a choice in their response.
when they choose, they choose.
their are responsible for the outcome and results of their choices....therefore no one can make you do anything right?
Islam says: On judgement day, each soul will stand before God and will have to give account for the actions.....there also will be the "devil"...when the soul says, "The devil made me do it"
the devil will say, "I didnt make you do anything. I whispered in your ear and you choose...."
Therefore, while it is true that ecternal circumstances do impact us, we ultimately have free choice and free will...
NOTE: I am well aware of all the implications of this statement I am making FYI
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Name:
SilentJay
Comment: I thinks the point here is Natalie Cole feels people shouldn't win awards in the music industry if thier personal lives are not the best example for young people coming into the business. There are just as many positive example of sucsessful singers who as far as we know are not abusing drugs or bribing cops to get thier hubby out of jail. Beyounce is a positive example, Jill Scott, Ciarra, oh and that little know NINE time Grammy award winner Alicia Keys. It was Amy's night and hopefully this will motivate her to change her destructive behavior. Alicia is a role model and so is Amy. The quesition that one must ask themselves is which role are they trying to model. You can either follow Alicia or you can follow Amy.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: TEIGH based o what I understand you saying about Donda West, you and I are in agreement....
she was responsible for her death...she made the choice..
In my mind, Bynum was also responsible when she CHOSE to leave the restaurant and go after her husband.....
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: Khufu I completely agree with your last post. Folks give the devil too much credit for bad decisions/actions when it was no more than what you referenced "a whisper". The devil has far more restrictions than folks want to acknowledge because then they would have to be accountable (and fyi, I am not Muslim)
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: While I don't know all the details about Bynam she lost focus a long time ago...as most do when they kind of mmoney she was getting starts flowing. But I know the beatdown in the parking lot was not the first time that happened. It was more than likely the first time it happened blatently in public....and they are still not finished who needs publicists to give press releases on a daily basis when you are divorcing (translation -- don't stop sending that cash to my ministry)
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Name:
Train
Comment: Amy Winehouse is overrated and if she was a sistah she wouldn't have gotten all of that pub to begin with. Great artists like Jill Scott are pushed aside for Winehouse and she's not even attractive.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Begrl, hip-hop doesn't "make" people participate in crime and violence. Yet, people use its "influence" as a means of criticism. Amy should be no different. SilentJ, I got a similar take on what Natalie's intentions were. What's amazing (but not surprising) is that people are now criticizing Natalie (who is living clean, is beautiful, has a beautiful voice) for speaking out against someone on drugs and how they are rewarded. Defend the druggie but attack the messenger? WTF? Amy looks like a broke down rag doll whose name should be Anorexia Anderson. Fk outta here! Train, oh no! Amy is the second-coming of christ. Put her in the room w/Jill or even Chrisette and we'll see.
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: mus>hate Amy or love her but trust Amy could hold her own in that room!
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Name:
MzTee
Comment: Ain't this the proverbial kettle calling the pot black. Natalie Cole is a former drug addict who herself won a few grammys while she was abusing drugs. Natalie is suffering from selective amnesia and needs to be quiet because her she definitely ain't no saint.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: TEIGH was it necessary to say "Im not a Muslim"?
ITRUTH transcends religion...having read about most religions, I always cross reference....
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: I've seen all three perform live multiple times. Jill, Chrisette and Amy can each hold it down live.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: yep...how self-righteous...."never forget where you came from"
Name: MzTee
Comment: Ain't this the proverbial kettle calling the pot black. Natalie Cole is a former drug addict who herself won a few grammys while she was abusing drugs. Natalie is suffering from selective amnesia and needs to be quiet because her she definitely ain't no saint.
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: Khufu> the point I was trying to make was exactly what you said TRUTH transcends religion and it was no more necessary than you're fyi on the implications of your statement.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: TEIGH...at THAT moment that Bynum made the CHOICE to leave the restaurant and go into the parking lot, SHE MAD THAT CHOICE...had SHE not MADE THAT CHOICE, HAT AZZ WHOOPING ON THAT DAY THAT CAUSED THE PUBLIC MESS WOULD NOT HAVE OCCURED
it doesnt matter if it happened before
and some would foolishly say, "it would have happened sooner or later..."
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Name:
khufu
Comment: TEIGH we are in the vulcan mind melt
we are on the same page
Ommmmmmm
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Teigh, I like Amy and have her CD that I listen to regularly. I haven't seen Amy so I can only imagine what holding down she could do beside Jill/Chrisette. In fact, that's a bad comparison on my part. A better one would be Amy and Joss Stone.
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: Little did Bynam know...that decision exposed the lie that both were living. As I mentioned earlier -- she lost focus a long time ago.
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: beegirl, you saying something today! LOL!
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Name:
khufu
Comment: TEIGH yep.....that's why I started saying to God:
God, thank you for forgiving me after I make wrong choices and wrong choices...your grace and mercy are most appreciated...however, please give me the aisdom to make the right choice in the front choice...........guide me to not make wrong and bad choices in the first place....."
ame: Teigh
Comment: Little did Bynam know...that decision exposed the lie that both were living.
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: Bynum was a trip from the get go. That running around the church with those sheets wrapped around her should have told folks she was crazy.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: the wisdom to make the right choice in the first place
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: khufu, I hear Bynum is talking about reconciling with the bow tie wearing Bishop. The way he put her business in the streets, I would tell him to go straight to hell and don't look back.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: wrong choices and wrong decisions
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Name:
yonkewi
Comment: I get what Natalie Cole was saying but, the grammy was to award Amy Winehouse's music, i mean that is what the grammy awards are supposed to do, correct? I actually like her music, a little and i believe she deserved that award, simply, BECAUSE of her music, she was so appreciative and surprised, that was cool.
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Name:
indipindintthnkr
Comment: Yeah I agree, half these white singers wouldn't get much play if they were Black. Fergie and Gwen Stefani comes to mind. I love Angie Stone, Heather Headley, Jill Scott and Michelle Chrisette and they don't get near the recognition as these two women. But, a lot of what's out there is considered a package that has marketability and unfortunately, heavy dark skin women (Angie Stone) are not in. Did anyone notice that with the exception of Herbie Hancock and Kanye West, every other Black person that performed at the Grammies was of a particular hue?
Tina, Beyonce, Alicia, Rehanna, Chris Brown, John Ledgend, even Morris Day
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Name:
Angel
Comment: I don't think Natalie bumped her head and forgot she use to be a drug addict. I think she based her comments on her life experience of being a drug addict and dealing with her addiction. Maybe folks in the industry would be less inclined to use drug addicts if they knew that their recognition via awards could be limited. We know that most don't give a dayum whether these addicts spiral into their own demise, so long as they make them money, maybe removing their ability to be rewarded will give these leeches an incentive to "care" about these artist well-being. Maybe Natalie's experience showed her that winning those Grammys only made her deny that fact that she had a problem and prolonged her drug use. It's already hard enough to convince an addict to quit when their world is crumbling, so I'm sure giving an addict an award isn't in their best interests.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: LOL well some would say she would have to say to him:
"come straight to hell......as she looks back at him following her there.."
Name: gingerg
Comment: khufu, I hear Bynum is talking about reconciling with the bow tie wearing Bishop. The way he put her business in the streets, I would tell him to go straight to hell and don't look back.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: MUSHerbs: CO-sign! Crack-heroin Amy needs to live with a fat woman so she learn how to eat with her flat back %*$ on stilts. I agree with Natalie. She can talk because she's been there and has recovered. Yes, I see where her personal life has nothing to do with the music. I think it is a double edge sword. Amy is nothing but another Whitney! Hanging with drug pusher husband/bf. I don't care for her music. Also... she is a fake! When she won Record of the Year at the end she paused as if she was "stoned" then cam eback to the mic with all the confidence in the world! Fake %*$ bytch! I wouldn't be surprised if all this rehab shyt was fake and was played just to genetrate sales. It's the one reason why I hate the rehab song cause her going to rehab after it's release said to me it was planned.
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: Mus> I've seen Joss Stone live many times too. Joss can hold her own against Amy Winehouse. Amy is not much older than Joss. The difference is when Amy performs in the US -- she's backed by the Dap Kings which is a tigher band than the musicians Joss Stone uses although Raphael (Sadiq) usually makes most major appearances for Joss Stone. Amy doesn't have to work hard for her vocals -- her Grammy performance was average compared to what I've seen her do, which is why I wonder what a sober Amy would sound like. Most of her success has come from her heartache. She's been buzzing in London and throughout the rest of the world for the last two years. Amy debuted in the US in January 2007 at Joe's Pub in NYC.
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Name:
MsVanese
Comment: SilentJay, that is what I got from the comment also. she never said that amy wasn't a good singer, just that she is in a position to help or hinder young folks mindsets. JMO
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Name:
Renetta
Comment: Teigh: I’m with all the way. Yes Amy looks brokedown but the gal can sing and has presence. She's real - more real than any of those other fake hair plastic chicks that performed that night. Billie Holiday did some of her best work high. It’s sad but true, many gifted performers singers, jazz musicians etc are hooked on drugs. Some say that torment that they feel is what makes their music so rich. Natalie admitted to Oprah later on that during a previous interview where she said she had kicked – she was high then DURING the interview. I think she did it for publicity to keep her name out there. I like her music don’t get me wrong – I’m old school I love ‘Anna Mae’ ‘I Live for Your Love’ etc. I won’t take anything away from her and I wouldn’t want anyone to take any award she received for any of those songs. Amy’s got heart and I can see the pain, the vulnerability – it oozes out of her and makes her fascinating to me. I pray she gets well.
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: I don't know, Mas. I saw a photo of Amy walking around with bleeding feet - from shooting up. That part about my Blake, incarcerated was priceless. Stone cold junkie.
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: Again when you consider that Amy was all over the press with a crack pipe two weeks ago and pulled it together for a world wide audience in the middle of rehab -- Whitney never pulled that one off and I give Amy props for that. That was pressure. You only knew of Amy in 2006 in the US if you were a Ghostface Killa fan -- he really launched her in the US with the second phase of the fishscales project.
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Name:
beegirl
Comment: Musb, I hear you. I don't think Natalie is wrong for criticizing Amy's behavior. I am a Winehouse fan, but I think her use of drugs is terrible. But I disagree with Natalie saying she shouldn't have received an award. She received the awards for her album's content, not the content of her character. Look at the Beatles. They were heavy into LSD, PCP, all the letters in the alphabet, but they are still regarded as changing the face of music. "Yesterday" is still considered by many to be one of the greatest songs ever written. Amy is currently in rehab and her man is in jail. When would it be all right with Natalie for Amy to win the next award? Or should she exploit the music of a dead relative first, then it will be okay?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Interesting Name: Mas90
I had considered whether this was part of her stage persona, as well.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: that's interestng as well as her style is Holliday influenced I wondered, again whether this is all part of her act
Name: Renetta
Comment: Teigh: I’m with all the way. Yes Amy looks brokedown but the gal can sing and has presence. She's real - more real than any of those other fake hair plastic chicks that performed that night. Billie Holiday did some of her best work high.
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: Renetta..exactly. I've seen Amy perform everytime she came to NY...you could just tell she was overwhelmed. Everyone in the UK wants to crack America but she did it with the quickness. Look how fast they dragged out Frank. Frank would have done well if released her when it first came out. No one thought so. She spun the industry on it's head and like you said -- is way out of the box. Ironically when Sharon Brown & The Dap Kings played the Apollo last year -- folks flew in from the UK for that show. You'd have thought the Apollo was downtown. The Dap Kings are tight tight tight but get little love right here in the US where they are from.
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Name:
Grace12_34
Comment: I co-sign with McNasty about "ignoring talent over popularity." This is the reason why Grammy television ratings are slipping every year. I mainly watch the Grammys to watch who is performing, not who is WINNING. Speaking of which, I fell asleep before it was over. Did Raheem DeVaughn win anything? If not, there's another example. He gets NOTHING because he's not singing about b-i-t-c-h-e-s and h-o-s. He chooses to sing about WOMEN. If he didn't win, he will win one day.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Mas..OMG! "AMy needs to live w/a fat woman" OMG!!!! LMAO!!!! Well damn! Amy I agree 100%. We complain about rewarding bad behavior...then we reward it neway. Hard Out There For a Pimp was a song that won for its artistic expression. That didn't stop soooo many folk from speaking out against what a bad choice it was. Amy is talking about rehab and was just IN rehab. Go figure! Teigh, I like Amy but Joss is a splendiferous, cod liver oiled mess. Straight TRASH! Her CD is awful and her performances suck major azz! Amy's style doesn't require her to have mad vocals like Jill or 'nem. She's different but as w/Natalie, I wonder about her longevity. Some of the greatest music is performed sober. If she can't do that then it shows a lack of talent. Natalive Cole's "Natalie Live" was performed while she was high back in '78. She don't even sing like that nemore.
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: Heck no that's not a part of her stage persona...I love Amy Winehouse but she needed rehab two years ago. She's 22 (even younger than I thought)...and made a tongue in cheek record about what she did not want to do. Personally Rehab is no different than when Mary J sang "I'm Going Down" -- because at that time in Mary's life she was spiralling out of control herself. Difference is Mary is not a songwriter -- amy is.
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Name:
Merd325
Comment: CoCoCarmel: I thought so!!!!
I mean I did see her biography movie..She said when she first her song playing on the radio, she said she walking down the street.looking for her next high...She is the very last person to talk.
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Name:
Angel
Comment: Exactly musb. If an artist isn't talented unless they are drugged up, then why are we awarding that? Folks want to hang athletes for using "performance enhancing drugs", but it's ok for "artists"?!
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Name:
kwallace577
Comment: i guess the grammy people were rewarding her strung out azz in '76 when SHE was still on drugs and won for best new artist huh? and i guess they rewarded her again when she had fallen off the booze wagon in the 90's when they gave her ANOTHER grammy for unforgettable?
my my my how folks have such a short memory. but my memory is long. i read the book where she says her son almost DROWNED while her and her ex-hsuband were both skeed up.
how fukkn dare she. sit down natalie. most importantly SHUT UP.
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: mus> I don't know if not being able to perform sober indicates a lack of talent. Amy's core material is her own she writes her songs(although she does perform covers)...what I'm speaking to is what will she write about sober and will it be just as heartfelt. Her record sounds good but if you listen to the lyrics -- for both Frank and Back To Black; she was caught off guard when Blake dumped her. And instead of keying his car, and busting windows, she got a pad and paper and starting writing...just like Jill Scott did after her divorce. The music Jill was performing before she divorced is not what she released -- she is in a different place. I just wonder if Blake and Amy can survive the push pull of addiction, couples like that usually don't. Who knows maybe we'll get a project of "what kind of fool was I" from Amy (but she touched on that in "Tears Dry on Their Own")...time will tell.
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: and yeah mus, I prefer Amy over Joss anyday but Joss can sing.
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Name:
kwallace577
Comment: if THAT is the case and she feel folks who are going through an illness such as addiction should not be "awarded" during their struggle then her hypocritical azz need to give back HER grammy's she was "awarded" when she was high off heroin, crack, and pcp and when she was boozing it up.
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Name:
MzTee
Comment: As an aside...in total agreement with those who are questioning the supposed talent of Chrisette Michele and Amy Winehouse. Neither one of them do anything for me. beegirl...great comment. I thought the grammys were about awarding individuals based on their musical and artistic achievements. If folks' lifestyles were a criteria, nobody would win anything.
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Name:
Angel
Comment: kwallace - good point!!! I wish the reporter would have asked her is she planned on returning hers. That would've been a priceless look on her face. However, if she was sincere about her concern, she should have no problem leading by example and returning them.
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: You know, Natalie may have done dope, too, but she never looked raggedy or strung out like Whitney and Amy. Whitney was so high she would come out with her wig on sideways and such.
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: When does an addiction slip from an illness into willful misconduct? People take street/prescription drugs and "drank" themselves to death knowing full well that it is no good for them. Are they powerless to stop or don't give a damn about the consequences of their actions?
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Name:
Calidee
Comment: I don't think Donde West caused her death. Sometimes, bad things happen. That is a fact of life.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: NO, we didn't actually see Whitney with a crack pipe but she admit she does drugs.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Also re: If Chrisette Michelle was nominated? Yes she was. She lost! She will "be okay".
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Name:
blackdragon
Comment: I agree with Natalie Cole. Giving Any Crackhouse five Grammy's is only going to encourage her to be a drug addict. This woman is talented, but she needs to clean herself up before she's rewarded for anything.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Teigh, I don't know if Amy has done crack. But different drugs affect the voice in different ways. I think Chaka used to joke that her voice remained nice cuz she never smoked drugs. Whitney's azz was cracked out. That's a recipe for disaster. Amy has the style of music that that can pull of performing..Whitney does not. Bgrl, again I do not believe that Natalie was looking down from a high place criticizing Amy. There is a problem the industry has w/rewarding just any sort of behavior. I will go so far as to say that we (in our tabloid society) seem to prefer you have some shyt w/you as opposed to having nothing to go on. Do we not see the same rewards given to rap artists or sports figures. Hell yeah Vick was good. But the world would object to him ever being considered for the Hall of Fame. If it should "only" be about performance then....
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Teigh, if you are an entertainer..especially a vocalist who can perform best while only while under the influence, then there is a definite talent you lack. I liken it to a player using steroids. I'm not that hung on lyrics as I am style/delivery. Although good, I do not believe her lyrics are that stellar.
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Name:
SilentJay
Comment: If we're going to start denying entertainers rewards because thier personal lives may be a wreck then we might as well not give out awards PERIOD. We can save that gold for something else. Amy Whinehouse is an extremely flawe person who also a talented singer. If she choosed to destroy herself despite her tremendous gifts that's her PERSONAL BUSINESS. We need people's personal lives alone unless thier doing thier doing somethig to cause someone else harm.
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Name:
Calidee
Comment: If Grammys were only given to artist who lived upstanding lives, then the awards show would only be about 1 hour long, even if you include the gospel acts. I think part of the problem is that we seem to know everyones business. Well let me take that back, some artist are protected, so there dirt rarely comes out. I really don't need to know who is doing drugs, who is mentally unstable, who is fighting at clubs, etc.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Including gospel... those are the most hypocritical people. Lets make it 45 minutes.
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Name:
SilentJay
Comment: Thank you Calidee
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Name:
thatbklyngirl
Comment: Teigh you said it ALL. Natalie has some nerve..what a hyprocrite... Grammy is a reward for your musical artistry not whether you are of high moral character.
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Name:
beegirl
Comment: Musb, I think Natalie was being hypocritical because she has been in the same place as Amy, but I would bet my badonkadonk that she won't be giving her awards back. However, I have to say that people punishing Vick for his off-the-field behavior as far as his receiving sports awards would be wrong. And you will probably call me naive, but I think steroids in baseball is different because those drugs make athletes perform better. I would guess that it was hard as hell getting Amy to focus long enough to make Back to Black. So if anything, her abuse of drugs was working against her. Crack has never made anyone better at anything except for stealing car radios. :) Imagine what she could have written if she were sober. I hope that thought crosses Amy's mind and she cleans up her act.
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Name:
pn2ppr
Comment: My reason for being a bit annoyed about Amy is not that she won but that she was even NOMINATED over the likes of real talent. Jill Scott's latest gift to us was FIRE and I didn't see her nominated. The problem with this industry (well...one of the problems) is that it places value on dysfunction - meaning, the more jacked up you are the appeal you will have, the more buzz you will create and the more money they can count. This industry needs an overall the same as the political arena. We the PEOPLE need to take back the power. We need to ignore the garbage acts and give our attention and $ to the true talent because that is the only language industry execs and decision makers understand.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Bgrl, some of the people commenting here against Natalie defend Cosby because they say his message is important. These same people say that his past indiscretions should not matter because it is his message that is now important. Natalie is speaking from a place she already has been. Are we now at the point that you can criticize someone or a system only if you have not participated in the same activities? Natalie clearly said, "I'm sorry. I think the girl is talented, gifted, but I mean, she could die. This isn't something that's cute and fun just to throw around in the press The girl really has a problem, and I think for those of us who have been in the business long enough, we know the sacrifice it takes. This is about discipline and hard work, and you don't get to just do your drugs and go onstage and get rewarded." Is she being critical or hypocritical? I want us all to remember our "live and let live" positions when the subject is a black male...specifically in hip-hop or sports. Remember they are talented...
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GHank
Comment: What about R-Kelly? As long as the sex tape case is out there, she he be eligible for a Grammy?
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Name:
kwallace577
Comment: we never saw natalie out with her wig on sideways when she was shooting and snorting up b/c in the 70's/early 80's the paparazzi was not as rampant as they are nowadays.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: R Kelly hasn't been proven in a court of law. Amy is in rehab, case closed. Natalie been to rehab & recovered fully and received Grammys for Unforgettable in the 90's, case closed.
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Name:
GHank
Comment: I haven't seen the Grammy's since the days of Michael Jackson and Thiller. My problem with the whole Academy of Music is that they are inconsistent. Marvin Gaye didn't win a Grammy for What's Going On", but won for "Sexual "Healing" and we won't talk about the moral character of Marvin Gaye. That brother did more drugs than you can shake a fist. But yet, we love and adore him.
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Name:
pn2ppr
Comment: GHank, I gotta cosign with you on that.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: sounds like The Oscars with Halle and Denzel and Ruby D....
Name: GHank
Comment: I haven't seen the Grammy's since the days of Michael Jackson and Thiller. My problem with the whole Academy of Music is that they are inconsistent. Marvin Gaye didn't win a Grammy for What's Going On", but won for "Sexual "Healing"
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Name:
todaysgirl
Comment: I can't believe Natalie had the nerve to make those comments....Did she not have her drug/alcohol issues back in the day and win awards too!?! The award was given to Amy based on her music NOT her lifestyle. If it were based on lifestyle alone not many artists would get one!
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Name:
GHank
Comment: Mase90>>>>Let's say R-Kelly did get convicted. Should he be eligible for a Grammy? Personally, I lean towards the musical contribution/popularity of a song. Maybe the Grammys think the same way. Maybe the Grammys are just doing what our society expects today. Remember, Natalie Cole could be Amy Winehouse's mother. A whole another generation.
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Name:
GHank
Comment: Let's face it, it's hard to put moral clauses on musical awards shows like the Grammys. Inspiration of a song can come from any experience.....good or bad.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Ghank, judging by today's comments, R Kelly should be eligible for a Grammy and people should support his music because he's talented.
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: Amy's "Back to Black" has just as much artistic merit as Jill Scott's "The Real Thing". The theme of Amy's release is heartbreak and the theme of Jill Scott's release is starting over post divorce. To judge them differently because Amy has alcohol and drug issues is insane. Mary's biggest hits were created during her drug and drinking years...and I recall when Mary hit bottom. Mary cursed out Veronica Webb after opening a bottle with her teeth. Mary performed live overweight and high spending most of the show pulling up her clothes and pushing up her oversized shades. Who can forget the vibe cover with the red hat -- coked up!!! Meanwhile back at the ranch Puffy was robbing her blind because she wasn't educated...Mary has always said she was worse than Amy!!! Mary had to learn to live life sober and learn how to perform sober -- so what's the difference? I've said earlier that I think Natalie sees herself in Amy (she did many of the same things) but she went overboard by suggesting that Amy should not be rewarded for her talent (which isn't just singing -- Amy wrote those songs). Let's remember Lauryn Hill...remember her opus post Wyclef. She had a lot to say after he kicked her off the Fugees tour when he found out she was pregnant (and wasn't sure if that kid was his when he was married to someone else). Was miseducation a fluke? No. The difference there is that Lauryn did not create that by herself as she claimed. Did it have artistic merit? Yes! Was it rewarded YES? DID LAURYN HAVE PROBLEMS? YES!!! For folks to say that Amy is not talented...well I'll quote Mary J...that's just "hateration in the dancery!"
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: Jill Scott won two Grammy's Sunday -- they were presented off air!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Ghank... Was "What's Going On" nominated for a Grammy and if it was what song/artist did it lose too?
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Name:
pn2ppr
Comment: "They tried to make me go to rehab
But I said 'no, no, no'
Yes, I've been black, but when I come back
You'll know-know-know
I ain't got the time
And if my daddy thinks I'm fine
He's tried to make me go to rehab
But I won't go-go-go"
Great artistic merit. *sticks tongue down throat*
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: pn2ppr>"Your hands on my hips pull me right back to you, I Catch that thrust give it right back to you,you're
in so deep I'm breathing for you,you
Grab my braids arch my back high for
you your Diesel engine,I'm squirting mad oil ah Down on the floor til my speaker starts to boil I flip s**t
Quick slip Hip dip And I'm twisted
In your hands and your lips and your tongue tricks and you're so thick and you're so thick..." how is Jill singing about sex more artistic than Amy singing about heartache or her demons?
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Name:
BigBlackRod
Comment: If Natalie had been living in this era of the Internet and cell-phone cameras, her schit woulda been raggedy too! PEACE.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Ghank.... I see both sides. I like Natalie's point and I understand Grammy nomination is pure talent. I don't care for Crackhead Amy. You guys can have her flatback %*$ on stilts. R Kelly will be nominated despite being a pedophile or not. I stop buying Kelly music cause his songs that are released are weak, not creative enough as his past first 3 albums(12play was the shyt), and way too hip hop. The spoiled azz brats who raised by my generation of mothers/fathers is such a let down. There is no discipline. I have NEVER done drugs or smoke anything not even cigarettes. I don't even drink alcohol(poison). To each their own, live in moderation if u do, we all ain't perfect, you must do for yourself to make yourself better not just sitting and praying for a miracle. Just do it!
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Name:
Angel
Comment: pn2ppr - Say what you want, but "Back to Black" is an awesome album. I love that cd (every song) and the lyrics are great. I think if you ask any person struggling with addiction, that song is on point. I thought my crack head/alcoholic uncle wrote that song, because he sure does give the same excuses. LOL
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Name:
GHank
Comment: Mase90>>>> Loy Rawls won a Grammy in 1972 for Best R&B Vocal Performer. Marvin Gaye may not have beem nominated, (but don't quote me on that) Bill Withers won Best R&B song, "Ain't No Sunshine".
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Name:
GHank
Comment: I would have thought "Let's Get It On" by Marvin Gaye would have won a Grammy. It did not. Maybe the Academy had a moral clause back then....I don't know.
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: Lyrics from Amy's Tears "Dry On Their Own"...All I'll can ever be to you
Is a darkness that we knew,
And this regret I got accustomed to.
Once it was so right
When we were at our high,
Waiting for you in the hotel at night.
I knew I hadn't met my match,
But every moment we could snatch,
I don't know why I got so attached.
It's my responsibility,
And you don't owe nothing to me,
But to walk away I have no capacity.
He walks away,
The sun goes down,
He takes the day but I'm grown
And in your way,
In this blue shade
My tears dry on their own.
I don't understand,
Why do I stress a man,
When there's so many bigger things at hand.
We could've never had it all,
We had to hit a wall,
So this is an inevitable withdrawal.
Even if I stop wanting you
And perspective pushes true,
I'll be some next man's other woman soon.
I couldn't play myself again,
I should just be my own best friend,
Not f**k myself in the head with stupid men."
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Name:
pn2ppr
Comment: Teigh, since you have to ask it would be pointless for me to explain but I will say this. The phrase "artistic integrity" are not just 2 words put together to sound nice or important. They actually mean something.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Ghawk.. I don't think "whats going on" was nominated at all cause I looked for it and nothing for it. So, you didn't make your point. I know what you're trying to say. BoyzIIMen got robbed for End of The Road and it broke Elvis Presley record for longest Hot 100 single but lost to Eric Clapton.
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Name:
pn2ppr
Comment: Ok ok, I stand corrected. The lyrics Dry On Their Own as you so kindly cut and pasted have a certain quality. Ok ok. I guess Amy just rubs me wrong because she looks so damn dirty dirty. Girlfriend needs a shower and then a bath......for real.
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: I'm just curious to know why or how Jill Scott singing about sex has more "artistic integrity" than Amy Winehouse singing about her heartbreak or demons? You posted Amy's lyrics and I posted Jill's -- how are Jill's more artistic than Amy expressing a bad relationship in Tears Dry On Their Own? Your explanation would really enlighten me and wouldn't be pointless at all.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Okay black people if it's okay for drug addict/crack fiend Amy to get awarded for great music and you support her music/buy it, etc. Why aren't accepting of gay singers, rappers, actors, actresses but you get fighting mad about being who have to keep it undercover but you don't mind if someone is a drug addict. FVCKED UP SOCIETY! I hate America. bunch of hyprocrits.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: To each his own, I do not see a whole lotta great artistry in Amy's lyrics. They are kewl but IMO average. Just as average as Alicia's were when she first came out. She's on drugs writing about drugs. Maybe that's why people like it so. Does nothing for me though. I didn't think drugs when listening Rose Royce sing "I'm Going Down." When Mary did it, uhm..yeah. "What kind of fvkery are we/Nowaday's you don't mean dyck to me/I might let you make it up to me/Who's playing Saturday?" Come on now, it ain't all that. If that's so hot then "Mission One, I’ma put this on/When he see me in this dress I’ma get me some/Mission two, Gotta make that call/Tell 'em get the bottles poppin’ when they play my song/Mission three, Got my three best friends/Like we do it all the time we gone do it again/Mission four, got the Benz, let's roll/Drop a couple hundreds tell him leave it at the door," must be the hottest lyrics ever..lol
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: mus> I's rather listen to Amy sing about her heartbreak than read that she stalked old boy or that he killed her. Funny how when Amy started poppin all around the WORLD (and not just with Rehab and not just in America) he dumped the chick he dumped Amy for brought his butt stateside and wanted to re-connect. One day she will internalize her lyrics (Tears Dry On Their Own) and realize that it's not healthy for either of them -- the same way Mary realized her relationship with K-Ci was not healthy for her.
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Name:
JGGIRL
Comment: Natalie mentioned Rhianna and Beyonce because they were nominated for record of the year in the same category as Amy and since those were the two biggest records of the year (Beyonce being number 1) I agree with her. Most of the celebrities interviewed on the red carpet said the person they most wanted to see that night was BEYONCE, even Andy Williams. Like it or not, overexposed or not, the girl is talented and very respected in the music industry. Tina had high praise for her.
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Name:
SweetieDarlin
Comment: pn2ppr> Have you listened to the entire album or just the one publicized track? Amy is an acquired taste but she is not talentless. Musb> Chaka lied, she did all kinds of drunks and did smoke them, a lot of druggy singers lose their voices because they don't practice, not because of the drugs. Amy may unfortunately think she needs drugs to be talented, and she won't be the first one to think their muse comes from a drug or a bottle (heck check even some of our more famous writers, and musician ie. Edgar Allen Poe, Charlie Parker etc.) hopefully she is will realize she is wrong. As far as people allowing certain people to be messagers and some not to be (a la the Cosby debate) I don't think the two are the same. Natalie's argument sounds like sour grapes almost she did the same, got the same acolades, heck she got rewarded and had bad behavior and if she really is suddenly on some cruscade for any druggy/alky singer not to get awards wouldn't that be like half the industry? Why focus only on Amy? Michael Vick also isn't a good analogy IMO---two different industries and two different rules, there are moral clauses in sports that don't exist music (there are moral clauses that can be invoked for insurance purposes in the movie industry.) Not advocating any being on major drugs and yes if you have a problem you should try to get clean---perhaps we are selfish in thinking that that rule would deny us Billie Holiday, Chaka Khan, All of Parliment-Funkadelic, Rick James, Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, Erykah Badu, Kurt Cobain, most rock and roll acts from the 70s, hyell even Natalie Cole. Perhaps your point is Natalie is taking the tough love approach (like everyone is saying Cosby is doing) and saying that no singer can get an award until they get their lives together?
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Name:
TMan
Comment: I agree that when they went to Amy Winehouse performing she looked and acted like she not only is a drug addict but acted like she was high on something all thru the performance. It looked like a freskshow. Boney chicken leggs, clappin to herself, Zeekin out, lookin all around like she was possessed. Words are powerful. She wrote the rehab song what a year ago or more. And here we are a yr later and she finds herself in the very pickle she wrote about.
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: Video killed the music industry because it based on LOOKS. You're not supposed to WATCH music you're suppose to LISTEN to music. I just wonder how many people would say half of what was posted about Amy and her talent if they never SAW her. In Amy's early videos you don't see all the tatoos...it's like folks thought she was this size 12 girl and she never was. Pre Grammy the major image folks had of Amy was in her bedroom with the crackpipe. There were not alot of Blacks at her performances and most of them sold out so quickly if you wanted to see her (before the collaspe) you couldn't.
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Name:
Teigh
Comment: TMan> no different than when Whitney showed up at that Michael Jackson tribute at MSG looking the same way -- Possessed and Zeeked out and Whitney looked worse (like a skeleton) at that show than how Amy looked when they caught her walking around London in her bra barefoot. IMAGES are powerful just like WORDS.
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Name:
Angel
Comment: But Teigh, admit it. Amy ALWAYS looks a hot mess--ALWAYS!! LOL I mean, when you have teeth missing in your video, that's crazy!!! At least there was a time when Whitney denied using and you really couldn't tell whether she was using or not by looking at her. Amy looks like a crack ho--all day, every day. When people say she "pulled herself together" for that performance, it truly is laughable. She looked the same as any other concert. Girls got major issues and it's OBVIOUS.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: if it's okay for drug addict/crack fiend Amy to get awarded for great music and you support her music/buy it, etc. Why aren't accepting of gay singers, rappers, actors, actresses but you get fighting mad about being who have to keep it undercover but you don't mind if someone is a drug addict.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: SD, not necessarily true. Inhaled drugs and cigarettes/herb cause damage to your vocal folds. No amount of practice can repair them. Only time can. That is why Whitney will more than likely never be the old Whitney. She will never hit those notes again. Natalie is a chanteuse now and don't do some of the screaming she used to. She knows that she can't. Whitney will siffer the same fate. Yes we are being selfish by somehow thinking that a lack of a moral clause should absolve you of any responsibility. We always talk about the indecency/talent/responsibility in music today. Yet, Amy gets a pass because she's a good writer and came out w/a good CD? That does not pass the smell test. I know that Rick James and all the rest of them were always high. It was their music we loved. But times are different and even back then, those artists were not being rewarded to the extent we are currently witnessing in music. Hell, I don't recall any of the old heads CONSISTENTLY looking like they smoke crack for a living. Amy looks like sauteed baby shyt on pumpernickel. I don't care how good her music is. That shyt ain't kewl and then yo azz can't even sober up for a performance. If I were a musician, I would be salty about that shyt too in the same way others are. Shoot somebody, get a grammy. Talk about bytches, get a reward. Write about drugs, get a reward. Get hooked on drugs, get a reward. DUI, get a reward. Hypocrisy aside, I think Natalie's point was much larger than how it is being minimized here. Mas..that would mean there's a double standard out there. We also aren't accepting of non-gay rappers because they aren't role models. (something Natalie alluded to)Go Figure!
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Name:
iboudiop
Comment: 1000 comments later. . .I think you all are being a little too harsh on Natalie. First, Natalie, like her father, is a brilliant singer, one of the jazz genre’s best and has made her mark indelible on the R&B world since the 70’s. I think the subtext here is that, even though Natalie was on drugs during her early success—and I emphasize this—the awards she received during that period did not influence her to change her life and, if anything, the FAME she gained from them her fueled her downward spiral. I think any recovering addict would agree that public rewards and attention don’t cure a deadly addiction; they worsen them and feed them with a false sense of security that the person is alright. In Whitney’s case, industry-types and people close probably her knew she was killing herself with drugs. Instead of breaking the wall of silence, they and the public cheered her on, rewarded and encouraged her until she nearly killed herself. Natalie spoke up and rightfully so, because she understands that rewarding Amy will slow or even halt her recovery and be another nail in her coffin. Like my momma always did say, when you’re dead, "you sho can’t take it with you." Hello somebody!
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Name:
khufu
Comment: wtf!!!!!
Name: Teigh
Comment: Jill Scott won two Grammy's Sunday -- they were presented off air!
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Name:
khufu
Comment: the power and significance of REHAB is more so in its social, cuktural and political significance...it is a song that reflects a generational experience and a generational perspective..
the power and irony of the song is in the fact that if she is in fact addicted to drugs, the song reflects her life and her life the song....rebelliousness to the point of self-destruction..
misguided rebellion....
that song is equivaent to NAs' "N-gger" song.....
generational rebelliousness that is self destructive
before rebellious art was geared towards the de-construction and destruction of external social status and conditions with the intent to offer up what they believed to be a viable option (e.g. sex. love, peace and equality)
the art of this rebellious generation is intent on destroying itself, first, and taking society down qith it and not offering any real alternative
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Name:
khufu
Comment: i typed all that and it disappeared? wtf
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Name:
khufu
Comment: AMY WHITEHOUSE reminds me of MAcey Gray
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: iboudio..no one (especially the industry) is concerned about Amy's health. Judging by the comments here, the public ain't either. As long as she keeps putting out good music. The public remains satisfied..just as long as no one criticizes her. IMO, she needs to be banned from performing until she gets herself to a point where she is at least presentable.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Khufu, I think I agree w/you. I didn't feel like doing a 3rd read..lol
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Name:
Angel
Comment: khufu - It's WINEhouse, not WHITEhouse...LOL
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Name:
khufu
Comment: ANGEL thank you for being my proofreader and editor
Freudian slip, this Obama thang got me all obessin and sheet
thanks though...i always knoew you were on my jock
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Name:
khufu
Comment: :--) ride that jock girl
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Name:
GHank
Comment: Mase90>>>>>That was my point. My point was the Awards academy is inconsistant with their nominations. Some years, the go by artistic expression. Other years, they go by what sells the most.
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Name:
Angel
Comment: khufu - you wish! LOL
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Name:
beegirl
Comment: Just to beat a dead horse (ha ha), I think Natalie has every right to condemn Amy for her drug use. Drug use should be condemned. Drug use is not a good thing. The only issue I have with Ms. Cole today is saying that Amy should not have been awarded. Amy's personal life was not up for a Grammy. Her album was. Many people loved her album because it was unlike anything else out today. Ms. Cole has received awards for work she has done while drinking and drugging, and just because the razzi wasn't chasing her down the street, it shouldn't make it right that she can keep her awards but Amy shouldn't. That makes her a hypocrite in my opinion. Just like people are justified in taking Cosby to task for his personal demons, but it shouldn't discount his message.
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Name:
SweetieDarlin
Comment: Actually Amy has been in rehab and came out just to do the Grammys. Believe it or not the way she looked was an improvement meaning there is a long way up. From my understanding she like a lot of druggies especially those on crack cocaine refused to go to rehab for a long time initially her problem was alcohol. Amy has actually been out about 4 years, her first album was not released in the States, just the U.K. She did look much better at one point, and went downhill seemingly after she and ol'boy broke up, unfortunately it got even worse when they got back together. The song is actually ironic now considering her current state however many people have only heard the hook and azzumed it was about her current condition, the Rehab song was actually saying the only reason she was overdrinking etc. was because she broke up with her guy, not that she had a problem, hence her refusal to go....
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Name:
khufu
Comment: ANGEL Shh! DOnt say nuttin'...focus that energy on riding my jock....
the jock spot....right there
LOL
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Name:
khufu
Comment: LOL what if the NAACP nominates her for an Imagae Award?
ROFLMAO
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Name:
SweetieDarlin
Comment: BTW Musb> I think the complaint of the lack of morals and indecency in music pertains to the lyrical content not what the actual artist does his or herself...Heck Ying/Yang Twins could go to Church, never smoke or drink, give to all charities and 'The Whisper Song' is still nasty!
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Name:
khufu
Comment: one of the greatest and most profound ironies:
Gil Scott Heron
deep propfound lyrics from a brother still strung out
for some their best art cmes from pain, deep pain....
I dont think Hendrix would have played like he did without the drugs....
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: LOL@SD. Yes it is. Straight XXX. But u know daggone well we always talking about the lawlessness in the industry. That's personal too...Ghank i agree 100%. Khufu, turn off the playboi channel please. G'DAM!
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Name:
Angel
Comment: LMAO @ SweetieDarlin - I don't even think Kirk Franklin could figure out a way to remix that song into a gospel hit.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Angel, yes the hell he could. You know he was addicted ro porn, that's right up his alley. *waiting for lightning to strike*
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Name:
Angel
Comment: LOL@Musb! I can just see Kirk sitting at the piano trying to come up with replacement lyrics: "Let's see...Wait to you see my.......hmmm...think holy, think holy, get mind....out...of...gutter...oh sh*t f*ck it!" *turns on computer, goes to porn site and grabs lotion* LMAO
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MUSB you just jalous...you wanna ride my jock too?
ROFLMAO
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: I guess shouldn't be surprised. No one touched my last comment comparing crack singers vs. gay actors/singers/rappers.
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Name:
realuvbaby
Comment: I have to shake my head about all of you making excuses for this crackhead, no matter how talented she is and how she got there. No one is supposed to be doing drugs PERIOD, but they do. Now, why does she get a pass for being on drugs when you all will dogg say, Whitney for instance, as I said last night. Some of y'all dog Whitney the eff OUT because of her drug use. I don't think Natalie is a hypocrite because I wondered the very same thing when Amy began blowing up. I was wondering what all the fuss was about. The executives at the labels are also the mercenary hypocrites. Why do they keep signing convicted felons and drug addicts? It doesn't matter that she is a reluctant celebrity. TO WHOM MUCH IS GIVEN, MUCH IS REQUIRED. If that was Whitney, every poster on this board defending Amy would have been knee-deep in Whitney's shi.t. OH, BOBBY KRISTINA, OH WHITNEY'S MOTHER, OH HOW CAN SHE DO THAT???
But now look at Amy. Y'all would have been boycottting, blogging and picketing the Grammys. All y'all defending this crackhead just ain't right. Turn the tables and put Whitney in that same position, I challenge you and I guarantee you that not one poster would defend Whitney's drug use the way you're defending Amy's drug use.
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Name:
realuvbaby
Comment: musb - I co-sign 10000%. We done lost our damn collective minds. DRUG USE SHOULD NEVER BE CELEBRATED. PERIOD. When you make it to the top ain't shi.t waiting up there for you but VICE. So, the industry is hypocritical and Amy should go away until she's clean and presentable. From the heroin of the be-bop era till the crack of today, artists have always used drugs. However, to celebrate it's use is just plain wrong. Billie Holliday; John Coltrane; Ray Charles; Etta James . . . all these artists and more used drugs but none of them celebrated their drug use. The world is certainly going to hel.l. in a handbasket. Is the entertainment industry is leading the way?
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Name:
yasmine1
Comment: most of our music legends..were big time drug users... even song about it.. LUCY IN THE SKY WITH DIAMONS.. anyways.. if Amy was black.. and acting the way she is.. well.. she would not be nominated for a grammy let alone win..
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Name:
TRIPLETHREAT
Comment: Well when you and Chak Khan was coming out drugged up and drunk and F ing people you didnt know back in the day
yall wasn't clean and drug free either excepting awards at least she went to rehab and don't want liquir around her or her band you still an alki who I'd still serve like vivicca fox and take pictures thoe so shut the f;;k up
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Name:
TRIPLETHREAT
Comment: Gurlfreind Ya wrong Natalie is still a drunk
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Name:
lionqueen0728
Comment: (shakin my head) all i can say is Lawd Lawd Lawd .. how soon we forget...
she is the last person who needs to be passing judgement!!! or opinions about someone in an addiction !!!!!!
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Name:
caribelli
Comment: "Actually Amy has been in rehab and came out just to do the Grammys."
Are ypu on the same drugs as Amy? Being committed to rehab means you stay your %*$ in rehab and put your recovery first. Not go and then get a special pass to leave and do the Grammys and collect your awards. That's what Natalie was talking about. So in the end, Amy was being rewarded for bad behavior, not just talent. I'm guessing she's as committed to rehab as Britney and Lindsay Lohan were the first ten times they went and partook in speial rehab celeb treatment.
And not a single one of you Amy drug use appologists questions the wisdom of her leaving rehab performing a song about not going to rehab? Or winning awards for said songs? I'd have less of a problem with her winning the awards if she had just stayed in treatment or if the Grammy's did not feel the eed to set up special circumstances to perform this. Completely tasetless and counterproductive. That was the time to pull out the "Amy couldn't be here today so we accept this award for her'" not bring her out in full-on crack mode.
Next, Amy is so new? Please. How is ripping off the style of the 50's and 60's new? All she did was stick in the words drugs and rehab. She can sing, but she's not doing anything innovative. Have we all forgotten so soon? Tell me the one about how Elvis or The Beatles brought a new sound to music when they came on the scene.
The attacks on Natalie Cole? Ridiculous. She knows what the hell she's talking about because she lived it. And she's right. I keep seeing people bring up how many gret artists such as Billie Holiday were notorious drug users... and look what happened to her/them. You'll wilingly watch someone self-destruct and die as long as you get what you want out of them? If so, fine. But then don't pretend to be an enlightened fan. Call yourself for the opportunistic leeches you really are. If you gave a damend about Amy Winehouse, you wouldn't cheer her on for hurting her progress in the fight for her life just so you could bpo your head to her GRammy performance. I already know that the Grammys don't give a damned - but we all know they are only in it for the ratings and sensationalism.
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caribelli
Comment: And...
All that time when people were covering up Natalie's drug abuse, she got worse, not better. It was only when her family stepped in and took control that she was able to get clean. So again, she knows waht she's talking about.
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Bumpa_Stank
Comment: glad to see all the love for amy and all actually do recognize her talent... the album is awesome and she has a powerful voice... yeah, nat is trippin, cuz when i was 7 and she was croonin i got love on my mind, which was my fav song then, she was high as a georgia pine... so when you live in glass crack houses...
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BigBlackRod
Comment: And, as I wake up this mo'nin', Amy STILL got her Grammys, and Natalie still mad...PEACE.
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Starchild
Comment: I concur completely with Natalie Cole. Amy Winehouse appeared to make jest with the concept of drug rehabilitation. The public audience laughed with her. This gives a clear message to our youth, and to the world, that addiction is not taken seriously and the world will reward you in spite of poor behavior.
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Babygurl
Comment: I felt the same way initially but then maybe she needs something positive to motivate her.
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JudgeJoanieInLA
Comment: Of all the Grammy attendees who could have made a legitimate statement to the media about Amy Winehouse, it is extremely hypocritical of Natalie Cole to criticize an artist who has simply mirrored Natalie's own severe drug addicted past. Instead of getting on a soapbox and grabbing what she probably felt was a long, overdue photo op, Natalie could have better served Amy Winehouse by reaching out as a support system or mentor instead of as someone whose own well-documented bad and self-destructive behavior was rewarded time and time again by The Grammys, NAACP "Image" Awards, Soul Train Awards, among others. So, Natalie, stop casting aspersions and if you can't offer some emotional support to Amy Winehouse, then you could certainly spare all of us from having to be subjected to your self-righteous ego.
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Taurusingr
Comment: I don't think Natalie said what she said because Amy uses...Yall gotta admit, There's a BIG DIFFERENCE between getting high every once in a while & BEING OUT OF CONTROL with the shyt! And again I say..."THEY" don't excuse M.Jackson, W.Houston or R.Kelly's "issues" away by celebrating THEIR TALENTS!! "THEY" MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS IT'S BECAUSE OF those "issues" that they are NOT on the "A" lists!! And the example being made by doing this is IRRESPONSIBLE to the 5th POWER!! How the HELL are we gonna point the figure at these OUT OF CONTROL ARTIST & at the SAME TIME say "OH!..THERE TALENTED so they DESERVE the attention?? Would anyone RAISE A CHILD LIKE THIS and expect THAT CHILD to learn to ACT RIGHT!!!???HAAAAAAAYAL NO!!! Sheeeeeat!Stevie Wonder can see... THIS is THE WRONG MESSAGE TO SEND!!!!
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Taurusingr
Comment: P.S.....Even as high as Snoop gets/(hell probably IS,RIGHT NOW!!)LMAO, HE ISN'T OUT OF CONTROL & has NEVER DONE any of the shyt AMY has!!! I believe (based on the prior people I've mentioned) IT WOULD BE a question of "MORALITY & DECENCY" if "somebody else"(anyone of THEM) was the subject!
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