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mainman
Comment: This is nothing but the crab in a barrel syndrome played out on a high level. Well, on second thought, make that a low level. Damn Shelby, why don't you just go ahead and call Obama the N-word like you're just itchin' ta do.
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NueNue
Comment: Maybe I interpreted this article wrong but I feel stupider for even reading this piece.
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cookyd
Comment: I hope the voters will prove Mr. Steele wrong. It is time for America to change.Don't forget people this is just one Man's opinion.
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fanteeking
Comment: Naw, NueNue, you didn't interpret this article wrongly! I feel the same way. This entire article is a waste of my precious time and I would have spent my time wiser by letting my doggie Ceazer out on the patio to take his early morning leak. I never heard of this right winged, 'black' (little letters')azz-hole, but I'd like to introduce him to Amy Holmes, the 'black', right winged, conservative political "ANAL" yst on CNN. Maybe, they can fall in love, get married and have a tiny KKK baby!!! LOL!!! His Black Father and white mother probably divorced and he has a vengeful, hate-filled vendetta against Africa-America. Poor, miserable soul!!!
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TGen
Comment: Yall are right-on on this. Wow. Can I just say I was anxiously awaiting to hear about the "third type of Black man" referred to in the last paragraph and then...nothing, lol. End of article. Wth? Exploring this "third" type would have really brought this article home...and given it a POINT, lol. Anywho, it's hard to believe this Steele person felt so passionate about this that he had to crank out a book in what a few months? I mean, that's some VERY thick hate. And it's so sad that in his analysis he didn't allow for the IDEA that some might not fit in either category, that some may possess something that transcends both categories. A very narrow-minded racist (yes Blacks can be racist too, 4get what ya heard) who doesn't deserve the bandwith this article was printed on or the minutes it took to read it. *Sigh*
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: Yo...WTF?...A book titled why Obama can't win....Well, I must the fourth kind of Black man...The one that says Fucc you...Imma go for it...If I fail or if I succeed at least I did as I believed...No matter what they take from me they can't take away my dignity!...Dayum, the brotha can't win for losing...Yeah, I looking at this as unifying all people...but on the real I'm looking at this as unifying Black folks...We can come together and back this man...can't we?...He11, anybody that likes Steveland, Marvin and Aretha...EWF is aight with me...C'mon Shelby was this book really necessary?....
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TGen
Comment: Great post Boot, great post.
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MsBlake
Comment: I co-sign all the posts. Look at it this way, this fool is a nobody. Who the heck is Shelby Steele??? Have any of u heard of Shelby Steele before reading this coloumn??? I sure haven't! He is so irrelevant. He'd look real dumb if Obama wins. This is the only way he can get some kinda recogntion. He gets no love from me!
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TGen
Comment: I've heard of him MsBlake, but I never paid any attention to him, lol. (Kam Williams should have done the same).
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McNasty
Comment: His book wasn't selling so he asked eur to help him out by printing this article and they did! Amazing!lol The title alone is enough for me to leave it on the shelf (if it even made it that far) and then this man claims some sort of identifiable kinship with a man he has never met, does not share dna with but who presumes to know how he thinks and operates based solely on the mixed blood they have in common?!!! Fukkouttahere!
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McNasty
Comment: Steele will be standing next to Tavis who is just now finishing up another Obama rant because Obama declined his invite to NO.
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fanteeking
Comment: McNasty, I don't listen to radio but hear that Tavis Smiley is on Tom Joyner talking about Obama like a dog. I USED to have respect and admiration for Tavis since he grew up poor in a trailer Park near Peru, IN and became successful. But, now, HELL NAW!! He has torn his drawers eternally!!!
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TGen
Comment: McNasty, Fanteeking, what did Tavis say? I missed it. Dang!
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PRDC
Comment: Why listen to this man...we always willhave someone like him to pull us back..that's his opinion which means nothing, maybe to racist whites...he needs to shut up and let God take care of things....
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HarrisThomas
Comment: EUR fam, y'all got it right . . . why on earth is Steele so comfortable in his closed-minded conservatism that he can not respect the O-BA-MA!! inspiration that thrives on Dr. King's message about the content of our character . . . I sense jealousy as Steele's motive
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dcdouglass01
Comment: The problem with most intellectuals is that they presume they're ALWAYS smart. And if this is the best Steele can do, then he definitely has too much time on his hands. Anybody who's running for public office, regardless of color, has to maintain a certain decorum (would John McCain win if he suddenly decided to take his pants down and take sh*t on stage?). And if you want to write off Obama's behavior as Satchmo-like shucking and grinning, not only is it a lazy argument undeserving of a so-called PhD, it's a stupid one too.
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fanteeking
Comment: TGen: He's litanizing a million reasons why Obama ain't the man for the job. Nothing, positively hothing good to say about Obama. I sensed the audience picking up the tenor or hate, jealousy and resentment in his voice. It's like he's screaming from the depths of his soul, "That ain't fair yaw, yaw crowned me King of African-American intellectualism and made me feel so um-potant and now yaw let Obama in the house and he ain't even all-Black. I wuz poor and pulled myself up by the bootstraps...yada, yada, yada..........."
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Cappaucino
Comment: WTF!!!!! He is a true Crab!
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soulmusic101
Comment: In other news....Rochester physician Terry Bennett said he believes the only reason Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign paid for renting a building he owns in Portsmouth is because he became the "squeaky wheel."
Now, Bennett said, he will donate the $500 check to Sen. Barack Obama's rival presidential campaign. He said he's doing it because he likes Obama, but also as a statement on the way he feels he was treated by the staff of the Clinton campaign.
"It was the last straw for Hillary Clinton for me," said Bennett. "Thirty days went by, with no replies to phone calls, e-mails — no replies at all. Suddenly a newspaper article comes out. It was the worst publicity they could get. Three days go by, and I get a check."..http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a rticle?AID=/20080214/NEWS/802140403
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TMan
Comment: Is Steele part of The Boule? His comments read like one.
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khufu
Comment: BLAKE LOL yes, most of us folk here, those who are well read and informed know who Shelby Steele is...LOL
While I do, o an inteelctual and academic level, understand his argument -- I dont think he should have wriiten it nor published it.
Sitting in a Political Science class, it would make great discussion....
Also, we know Shelby Steele is one of THEIR weapons of mass Black destruction......
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khufu
Comment: BLAKE actually Steele is not irrelevant...it is very relevant to know who one's enemy is and how he thinks...
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FiveMore
Comment: Khufu, Sounds like Mr. Steele is one of the infamous Mason.Huh?
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khufu
Comment: In order to put this piece in intelligent and informed context here:
Shelby Steele (born 1946, Chicago) is an American author, columnist, documentary film maker, and a research fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, specialising in the study of race relations, multiculturalism and affirmative action. He received a Ph.D. in English from the University of Utah, an M.A. in sociology from Southern Illinois University, and a B.A. in political science from Coe College.
In 1990, Steele received the National Book Critics Circle Award in the general non-fiction category for his book The Content of Our Character.[1]
He won an Emmy and a Writers Guild Award for his 1991 documentary film with Frontline Seven Days in Bensonhurst.[2]
Steele is a self-described Black conservative.[3] He opposes movements such as affirmative action, which he considers to be unsuccessful liberal campaigns to promote equal opportunity for African-Americans. He contends that blacks have been "twice betrayed": first, by slavery and oppression, and second, by group preferences mandated by the government that cause blacks to lose their self-esteem.[4]
“ The great ingenuity of interventions like affirmative action has not been that they give Americans a way to identify with the struggle of blacks, but that they give them a way to identify with racial virtuousness quite apart from blacks.[4] ”
Steele believes that the use of victimization is the greatest hindrance for black Americans. In his view, white Americans see blacks as victims to ease their guilty conscience, while blacks attempt to turn their status as victims into a kind of currency with no purchasing power. Therefore, he claims, blacks must stop "buying into this zero-sum game" by adopting a "culture of excellence and achievement" without relying on "set-asides and entitlements."[4]
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soulmusic101
Comment: Al Sharpton bumps head with Julian Bond over Clinton and Florida Delegates... Mr. Obama’s aides reiterated their opposition to allowing Mrs. Clinton to claim a proportional share of the delegates from the voting in those states. The prospect of a fight over seating the Florida and Michigan delegations has already exposed deep divisions within the party.
Julian Bond, the head of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, called for the delegates to be seated, saying failure to do so would amount to disenfranchising minority voters in those states. But on Wednesday, such a move was denounced by the Rev. Al Sharpton of New York, who said many people in those states did not go the polls because they assumed their votes would not count.
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RationalThinker
Comment: This is proof that education does not equal intelligence. Mr. Steele is nothing more than an educated fool.
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khufu
Comment: 5More...I dont think so...probably the only ay he would even consider it is if he would join the white Masoninc Lodge
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khufu
Comment: so Steele is very relevant...and in order to really understand at the highest intellectual levels the significance of Obama's run....beyond the ROCK STAR/CONCERT EMOTIONAL PERSPECTIVE..
it's really important to read and research.....
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khufu
Comment: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/ 05/15/DDG5HIR5VC1.DTL
Shelby Steele has a lot to say about black society. He calls it common sense. Some call him an Uncle Tom.
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LazySusan
Comment: I know who Shelby Steele is. Some Tom that would jump off a bridge if a White person told him to. And I would say he is relevant in one way: I swear to God, every cooning negro that comes out AGAINST Obama, HELPS him get more White votes! Many, not all, but many White folks may see this as a 'Obama can't be so bad if this N%%$#a hates him'. The same goes for Tavis. Then again, Tavis is in the pocket of the Clintons. Whatever he has been promised by them is about to slip away and he's just mad.
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Renetta
Comment: GOD IS IN THIS.GOD HAS PICKED HIM. GOD WANTS THIS. Obama’s presidency will heal the world. Obama has Hillary and the IRAQ War to help push him into the White House. Yes white men hate uppity black men – BUT THEY HATE UPPITY WHITE WOMEN MORE. I work with a bunch of Republicans all who HATE Hillary. Whenever they discuss her their eyes buldge and the vein pops ou in their neck. My supervisor who is a stauch Republican says she’ll cross over and vote for Obama just to keep Hillary out. And once Obama wins the nomination McCain will lose for three reasons – 1) IRAQ – he doesn’t ind being there a 100 years 2) he’s very old and LOOKS very old. That scares people (this is No Country for Old Men) and 3) Republicans view him as another Democrat because of his illegal allien position and his budget votes. I believe GOD WANTS OBAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE. He’s parted the seas for him throughout. It’s not because of Obama’s greatness, but because God has chosen him, just like he chose Dr. King, Moses, Joshua, et all…I’m prayin HARD!
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McNasty
Comment: Fanteeking & TGen I said from jump there was something more to Tavis' rants than he was saying. Yeah I know about the points he brought forth that he would like Obama to address (they are on his website and he does address some in each political caucus) but the fact that he continues to try to defend his position is more and more suspect. Tavis is finding out that he is quickly losing popularity because a lot of us listening to him don't get his line of thought. It's not because we lack the intelligence to do so, it's because Tavis' is kinda doing the double talk. This morning he as much as threatened Obama by saying 'he would be making a grave error not to show up for this black caucus in NO'. He then went on to say how many other black caucus' Obama had already missed to his detriment. After Tavis got after Cybil and Tom Joyner the other day for suggesting that Obama call Tavis I realized what Fanteeking verbalized, that he feels he is no longer the crowned king of intellectualism' and he can't stand it! I myself have always admired Tavis but I hate the fit he's throwing all over Obama and if he doesn't stop he's going to be answering the same question over and over again for a very long time 'Why didn't you step up and make the effort to get Obama on your pbs show instead of pushing for caucus' he may not have been able to fit into his schedule?'!
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Kofi
Comment: Shelby Steel's role has always been that of an appeaser to white people. He has sought to intellecutalize and releave whites of their racist guilt. Steele has made a career of blaming the victim and minimizing the institutional racisim. People like he and Debra Dickerson and the ultimate sell outs. One reason Obama is so popular is that he represents our hopes. The other candidates inclusing HRC represent our fears. Who would you prefer?
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khufu
Comment: speak on it speak on it..
Name: LazySusan
Comment: And I would say he is relevant in one way: I swear to God, every cooning negro that comes out AGAINST Obama, HELPS him get more White votes!
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khufu
Comment: speak up speak up
Name: Kofi
Comment: Shelby Steel's role has always been that of an appeaser to white people. He has sought to intellecutalize and releave whites of their racist guilt. Steele has made a career of blaming the victim and minimizing the institutional racisim. People like he and Debra Dickerson and the ultimate sell outs.
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khufu
Comment: LOL Like I told you before:
Using The Art of War as my reference
Their strategy would be to send thse folks
yall need to read The Art of War by Sun Tzu......
their strategy is to try to undermine Obama's "blackness" and credibility in the Black community hoping to erode his Black voter base...you know, the one they dont want to talk about or directly address? yeah THAT ONE.
Bottom line is: Black folks are always ALWAYS THE detrmining winning factor in elections......
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NYCsoul
Comment: Shelby Steele is a good example of why blacks should not be so determine to 'claim' people because they have 'one drop of black blood' rule. If Shelby Steele wrote anything about white supermacy and how it has destroyed and destablized Africans/blacks all over the world, we hardly know anything about him. But because he knows that black issues 'sell' and we are easier to make a buck off of, he comes across as a 'black intellectual'. Why can't he just be an 'intellectual' and who appointed him as a 'black one'? It is not even worthy to comment on the whole Obama theory. Why could he have not waited to write this book AFTER the campaign was done and the dust having been settled??? Even it he had some valid points about Obama, no one is going to give it any attention because it looks like he is deliberately trying to sabtogage Obama.
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Renetta
Comment: McNasty - I read your post - very interesting. I haven't listened to Tavis lately. I thought he would be the main brother in Obama's corner and see this as a chance for US to make history. I wonder if he is jealous. I'm sure the Clintons have their list of black sell-outs they've paid off to slam Obama. Nothin new...
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Stephanie
Comment: Shelby Steele hates himself and regardless, he's still a n igger to the white man. He'll impress me when the KKK welcomes his stupid a ss with open arms. He basically says what white people are afraid to say. His book is a mere opinion. Nothing he says is fact its always about his self hatred of himself and thats why he's irrelevant and hardly anyone knows who he is. He feels Obama can't win, okay. Well, it seems the masses of American people feel differently. He needs to wipe the brown spots off his nose and realize white people will continue using him like toliet paper. We'll always have one and the truth be told, this will help Obama win even more. HRC pretty much gave Obama the election when her and her husband started slandering him. People are tired and they want change and that's the bottom line.
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khufu
Comment: SUn Tzu says:
XIII. THE USE OF SPIES:
Be subtle! be subtle! and use your spies for every kind of business.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Steele is no different than the hoards of other black intellects who feel as if they have the authority on what's good for black america including West, Sharpton etc. We just happen to totally disagree and take offense to Steele's remarks. His book must have flopped because I saw him being interviewed last year about this book and he said the same things. Even the host (can't remember who) was like WTF? At the end of the day, Steele has an opinion..that's it..just an opinion. Re: Tavis, I saw last years State of the Black Union when they chided Obama for not being there and the whole "black enough thing." I'm not sure why Tavis is so caught up in this. He had the HU debate, the Morgan U debate and even interviewed Obama last fall on his show. Now this is looking like total self-aggrandizing on his part. The State of the Black Union offers an opportunity for "concerned" blacks to give great one-liners and the audience responds in kind. I'm not against them at all and feel as if they need to continue. If nothing else, it provides an opportunity for us to talk about our shyt in a public forum. I just wonder about Tavis's motives on this one. He wants the candidates to come b4 his group and answer questions. Why not book them for his show on WHUT?
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khufu
Comment: mUS:
you consider Rev Al an intellectual?
I dont have problem with the Wets's as he does speak FOR Black folks...Shelby and even Skip Gates support white cultural supremacy
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McNasty
Comment: Renetta I still like Tavis and still find him necessary but the way he is going after Obama does not now nor will it ever make sense to me. He's like a dog with a bone trying to get the man to deal directly/only(?) with black issues when Tavis could easily get any and all the answers he likes through the myriad of sources out there. At some point though, I hope that Tavis extends an invite to Obama for his pbs show so he can get shet of what sounds like straight jealousy!
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blackdragon
Comment: There's nothing wrong with a black person being a Republican or a conservative. We're not the same, other than our ancestry. As for Shelby Steele's book, I think he needs to go back to the drawing board because his analysis of Barack Obama is wrong.
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Calidee
Comment: I am familiar with Shelby Steele. I never cared too much for his beliefs, but I have always been willing to agree to disagree. While I understand the limitations of putting people in boxes or categories, I really like his theory about the "Bargainers" and the "Challengers". To me it is an interesting theory, and I don't think it is a bad thing for Black people to fit into one or both of these categories at some point in their lives or for certain situations. As much as people talk about Jessie and Al, who are considered "challengers", sometimes, we need people like them in our corner. And I doubt that Oprah would be the successful person that she is today if she was a so-called "Challenger" rather than a so-called "Bargainer".
Because of Shelby's conservative beliefs I can understand why he might not personally vote for Obama. I would expect Shelby to be against Obama because of his stance on the issues. After all Black people do not have to vote for Obama if they don't believe he is the best candidate.
Based on the articles that I have read by Shelby, I would have expected him to be the main one to at least support the possibility of Obama becoming President. Why? Because Shelby is about Black people not focusing on race and Obama has been able to get to where he is now by not focusing on race. Obama is doing exactly what Shelby says Black people should do. But I guess he has changed the rules since he is not a conservative.
I have not read the book, but just based on this review, it seems like this book has exposed Shelby as the two-faced phony.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Khufu, yes I consider Al an intellect. I don't have a problem w/black republicans/conservs. It is when they end up like Clarence Thomas and Steele that my stomach produces a lil vomit. Steele's explanation is indeed interesting. I've watched him many times extol the idea that blacks shouldn't enslave themselves into thinking that they can't perform outside of direction from yt's..that we have no real power. In the interview I saw, his explanation was clear. In fact, let me find the daggone transcript.
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musbdherbs
Comment: On would Oprah help Obama he says: "It may help a little, but it won‘t help that much because she brings to Obama something he already has. They‘re both what I call bargainers. They give white America the benefit of the doubt. Whites respond with gratitude. There‘s a reciprocity between a figure like this and white America.
And I think Obama has come about as far as he can with that reciprocity. And Oprah will certainly add something to it, but I don‘t think enough to really break through and knock off Hillary Clinton." MATTHEWS: Why do you think Hillary Clinton will do a better job getting votes than Barack Obama as we proceed through this process?
STEELE: "Because she‘s got a much better political machine. Also, she‘s doing very well with the black vote because she identifies with people like Al Sharpton. She identifies with people who black Americans are very comfortable with. In many ways, she‘s blacker than Barack Obama is. His primary appeal is still with whites."****Now his comments aren't that different from what I've read here on this board or heard elsewhere. The thing about this is that he is deriding Obama's chances for doing exactly what he preaches black people "should" do. The exception is that here, he presents a sort of gordian knot by suggesting that Obama has reached his ceiling by being a bargainer and now he has to be a challenger.
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McNasty
Comment: Musb then you must have cringed deeply and hurled projectedly at CT's interview recently. I listened to some of it but I'm not a clarence thomas type of lady and I don't have the patience for his politics or his rationalizations!
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khufu
Comment: MUSB interesting...I wouldnt consider AL an intellectual although he is extremely astute, analytical, well-spoken and rational.
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khufu
Comment: MUSB COnservatives who seek to maintain (through conservation) a level of ,morality, ethical standards and positive social behaviour..I dont have a problem with either
but when they are conservatives that seek to conserve and perpetuate white cultural supremacy, I have a problem...
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: You know it is sooo amazing how many black mofos come out with this elistist version crab in the barrel syndrome. I don't mean it hasn't been done before but it is unexpected from the so called stellar, alleged lead the way, role model, potential mentoring black folks---the very people you thought totally understood what we were up against and were pushing us to do better. Now it's like some freak Science Fiction movie where the villian pull off the mask and you find out the person who was helping you actually was your enemy. Julian Bond, Andrew Young now this dude Steele what the fyuck is going on with our folks? Are these clones placed back in the black race to fool us---the real ones who stood up during the Civil Rights movement, used to be fearless, were black and proud, did not compromise at the expense of another brother are really dead? Hmm good plot for a movie if it wasn't happening in real life. With that said if I can stomach it I need to read this dude Steele, unless Musb> you care to spoon feed us, since you have already accepted the poison and lived...
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Katso
Comment: Do you really actually believe that God want Obama to be president? When did God become a politican. That doesnt make any sense at all!!!! That is almost like Bush saying that it was God will to invade Iraq. I think it is very dangerous to put God in man made politics.
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musbdherbs
Comment: 'Nas..cringe ain't even the word. At least for Thomas, I feel sorry for him. If there is anyone I believe who hates their own skin, it's him. He allowed a narrative to be crafted for him by the republican party and now he's dealing w/it. Khufu...I agree w/that too. SD, this article/book is a good snapshot of who Steele is. He's right along w/Elder except that he's a college professor which makes matters even worse. I was sitting there w/a WTF look on my face through most of his interview. He got me when he said that Hillary is blacker than Obama. That makes two people who publicly said some foolishness like that and think it is OK. Andy Young and Steele. Now that Julian is at odds w/Al (see story @ EUR probably next week or so) this whole presidential "race" has gotten even more interesting. These people seem to have forgotten how black folk are extremely forgiving but not always. The Clinton's have made their beds, Julian et. al are making theirs, and be rest assured, Tavis wil be on the receiving end of a lot, A LOT of hate. They have taken objective criticism to an almost slavish/racist level. It tells you where their hearts are or at least their checkbooks.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Katso, some people really believe that God is responsible for all things..elections are no different. He ain't no doctor either but you know daggone well folks be praising his glory when they are no longer sick...lol
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Katso
Comment: Well, Mush if you are going say that then it was God's will that Bush become president and wage a war that have killed thousands of Iraq people and American soldiers. I think praying for God to heal you is different than saying that God wants someone to president.
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Angel
Comment: This is some crap! I wouldn't buy Steele's book even if I had diarrhea and there was no other azz wiping material available in the tri-state area. I'm mad I wasted my time reading this BS.
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jazzfan
Comment: Just what I'd expect from this shufflin' handkerchief head Uncle Tom pseudo-intellectual
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focusedpurpose
Comment: it is white supremacy that mandates our acceptance of mulattos, quadroons, and octoroons as black. black people have black babies. mixed couples have biracial and mult racial children- in the interest of truth. if you study the history of the mulatto group and its uses- i don't trust the white in them. especially in a world where white supremacy, racism, and color prejudice is on the menu- all day every day-nowhere in history is there anything that would indicate that trust would be a wise choice. i think democracy in this country and around the west invaded, pillaged, oppressed, and violently suppressed world is a concept-not the reality. every vote does not count. i am happy to see the obsession shift from paris hilton and britney spears though. i will say this much...obama's choice in mates makes him blacker than most black men with two black parents. his black wife and women-children inhabiting the white house will go a long way to counter the stripper, ho, %*$!(, prostitute, welfare single with many children, and no education global depiction of black women. i suppose growing up with white/white-like women removes the absence and complete utter worship rendered by their absence. michelle in the white house!!!
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jazzfan
Comment: >focusedpurpose: "Obama's choice in mates makes him blacker than most black men with two black parents"? WTF? Are you saying that MOST Black men don't pick Black spouses?
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