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Kaya
Comment: BO stinks.
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pdub
Comment: First, I have absolutely no problem with what Michelle Obama said. She has a right to say what's on her mind even if it is not considered "patriotic" in some one else's eyes. Everyone sees the world through their own filters and as a Black woman Mrs. Obama's filters are going to be different from the mainstream. I appreciate the fact that she was honest, and I don't feel she needs to apologize for anything! Second, Bill O'Reilly while I don't agree with him, is no fool. He knew exactly what he was doing and saying by using the term "lynch" in his remarks. I don't want him apologizing for anything because that's who he is. But kudos to Eugene Robinson for calling him out. Third, Kaya please elaborate...
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Train
Comment: I agree 100% with Mrs. Obama and she has nothing to apologize about. White folks think that we're supposed to feel the same way about this country and when we don't for obvious reasons then something is wrong with us. What a bunch of bullshyt.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: in terms of achieving positive results, too often people don't realistically review and work through their options because their thinking is clouded by fear: feel the fear and do it anyway
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McNasty
Comment: The only way to keep Michelle's remarks alive and well and as negative as possible is to expound on them like she never did. The woman didn't say anything about this being a bad country or a flawed nation. She said it was the first time in her adult life she was proud and I can certainly understand why she said it, why she felt the need to say it and its something I would have said as well. It's not fair for anyone to think that just because we don't say anything doesn't mean we don't have anything to say or an opinion about what has happened and is happening that we don't agree with. She expressed the feelings of a lot of us that look at amerikkka for what it really is and for the last 20 or so years - there hasn't been a damn thing to be walking around with my chest swole up for!
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HarrisThomas
Comment: the first post is an oops moment involving a post to another EUR article . . . hate speech: use of the term "lynch" and display of the noose . . . trivializing hate speech: frequent, inappropriate use of the term "lynch" and routine display of the noose without any penalizing follow up on the guilty
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McNasty
Comment: White folks idea of patriotism got a lot of black folks killed so I say the definition is left up to each individual. While I am not about to change citizenship I certainly don't use patriotic in reference to myself. Feels too much like it means I concur with everydamnthing they do - you know, like the iraq war!!
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blackdragon
Comment: Are you kidding me? Didn't Eugene Robinson read Bill O'Reilly's comment entirely? It sounds like he took Bill O'Reilly's words out of context to make noise about something that is not an issue. Context matters SOMETIMES, not all the time. The exception is racial slurs and profanity.
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Luke_Cage
Comment: Name: pdub Comment: Bill O'Reilly while I don't agree with him, is no fool. He knew exactly what he was doing and saying by using the term "lynch" in his remarks. -- that cat is such a sidewinder pdub. Slithering on his belly like the snake he is.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Bdragon, please share your view on what Bill 'meant to say' by his suggestion that he would go on a lynching party only IF there is evidence that Michelle may not be patriotic?
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...Injecting a lil terroism here I see...Unpatriotic?...Obama? muslim?...Even Steveland can see what's happening...WTF does he mean "if there's evidence she's not patriotic"...What kind of evidence?...C'mon now....
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NYCsoul
Comment: Unfortunately folks, this is just the beginning. Expect more stories like this attacking Obama at every turn. We really should not be surprise by this kind of nonsense by the conservatives. They're desperate to stay in office and keep the Iraq war going.
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blackdragon
Comment: Bill O'Reilly didn't mean he was ACTUALLY going to lynch Michelle Obama. It's a FIGURE OF SPEECH, an expression in which words are used in a nonliteral sense, as in metaphor, or in an unusual construction, as in antithesis, or for their sounds, as in onomatopoeia, to suggest vivid images or to heighten effect.
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Story2tell
Comment: blackdragon> do you think the term "lynching" would have been used if the subject had been white instead of a black woman? Or would he have used a more common phrase like "going on a witch-hunt" or something to that effect?
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blackdragon
Comment: Story2tell, yes and yes.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Bdragon, can you name a point in our recent history where the term lynching was used as a metaphoric non-action against a non-black person?
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Southernbelle
Comment: WTF is going on with all of these yt folks using the term "lynching" so frivolously now. Some may take it as a "figure of speech" but I choose to take it as a constant reminder of where we've been and where some may want to take us. Funny, no one finds it entertaining if someone says "I'm gonna take you out back and stick you in a gas chamber" or "If you say that one more time I'm gonna stick your head in a guillotine". You know why no one uses these terms as "figures of speech" because these sorts of punishments were barbaric and cruel. Just like lynching. As a result, I for one take offense to anyone, even amusingly, using the term. Bill should apologize.
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Winn30344
Comment: O"Reilly knew exactly what he was doing when he made that remark but it hasn't panned out like he thought it would. Although Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton have spoken out about O"Reilly using the term "lynch" they realize the trap and haven't went on the "Black rampage" O"Reilly wanted. Expect more of these tricks by O"Reilly and the Clinton camp as desperation sets in.
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queeniebunz
Comment: >puff the magic dragon, I mean blackdragon - you're smoking something, right? This fool makes it a point to say controversial, premeditated racist, inflammatory things to rile people up. They don't call him "O'RILEY" for nothing!! (yeah, I spelled it wrong on purpose!) For you to actually type that what he said was "out of context" shows YOUR ignorance. Either that or you've been living outside of the country or under a rock your entire life. I don't even give anything he says any thought - him or Rush or any of the white racist conservative ubermale village idiots that somehow got jobs running their mouths saying stupid sh*t. I'm glad Robinson called him out because I read his column as often as I get a chance but honestly, I don't pay these idiots any mind. I also ignore that stupid white chick in the trademark black dresses who says dumb sh*t for effect, too. When you respond to these idiots, you give them exactly what they want. If you ignored them, they'd lose their minds! It's like dealing with a class clown. No audience = no clowning...but that's JMHO
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amethyst
Comment: First, I have the same sentiments as Michelle Obama. Seeing the diverse support forma Black Presidential candidate has really impressed me, and for the first time in MY adult life I can feel some pride for the U.S. Regarding patriotism, what is its definition? Depending on the definition I may or not be considered patriotic, and I could care less whether I'm deemed so or not. I work every day, pay my taxes and am not involved in criminal activity. There are folks ripping off the government (white collar criminals included) everyday, are they patriotic just because they support Bush or the war? Second, I was done with Bill O'Reilly when he made the asinine remark about the patrons in Sylvia's. He is exposed to Blacks like Al Sharpton and others, so there is no reason for him to be "surprised" at how Black people act in a restaurant. He CHOOSES to believe the stereotypes, rather than accept that Sharpton, Obama, Jesse Jackson, Maxine Waters, Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell, Ed Bradley, Deborah Roberts, Al Roker, and others are not EXCEPTIONS to their race; they are REPRESENTATIONS.
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queeniebunz
Comment: Regarding being "patriotic" - I have been called out for being militant because it is rare for me to have anything good to say about America. When I reference the inequality blacks have been subjected to for the past 400 years, people ask me, "where else in the world would you want to live?" And my response is, Africa (where everybody looks like me and beyond what people think isn't all war torn), Europe, the Caribbean (the nicest people I've met), South America (where slavery ended decades before it did here), etc. We act like this is the best place to live and it just ain't. Yeah, it's familiar to me but other countries have better recycling programs (Finland/Germany), better healthcare plans for ALL people (Canada/UK), better education systems (France/Japan/Germany/Belgium), less crime (Japan/England/Canada/Barbados) I left my bags unattended at an airport in Osaka 10 years ago (before 9/11) by mistake and came back and my money, luggage, cd player, etc was all still there. When I told people here, they laughed because in any airport in America my stuff would have disappeared faster than a cupcake at a fat kid camp. So I say all of that to say that for Mrs. Obama to say that she's finally proud - I TOTALLY agree. If/when he wins, I will LOVE it here. Until then, I'm with her on this one...
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TGen
Comment: Okay I missed this article but for some reason it makes me feel like I'm back in last week...when this convo on Keith O's show occurred, lol. *Wondering why EUR is just now writing about this as well as why it didn't mention O'Reilly's "apology" which I believe also occurred last week* Hmmm Anywho, I concur with most of the posts. Of course Kaya and Blackdragon, I have no idea where you're coming from, none. But whatever...
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musbdherbs
Comment: TGen Eugene was on Keith last week I think. I watch him regularly. The segment was in response to O'Reilly's talking points where he gave a Clintonian (I regret you were offended) answer. Also, you will notice that the people who are against Obama are often inclined to believe most things negative about him...but seldom find fault w/the negative things said/done against him by the campaign they do support. We could say the same for Obama supporters. Fortunately, most things said/done re: Clinton is true.
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khufu
Comment: hmmm I remember when O Reilly made that Sylvia's comment and there were some Black people on here who defended him saying it wasnt racist...
where are those idiots now?
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khufu
Comment: BINGO and the roaches run away when the LIGHT comes on....darkness and light cant occupy the same space...touche MUSB..youre a good student of mine for sure
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Bdragon, can you name a point in our recent history where the term lynching was used as a metaphoric non-action against a non-black person?
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TGen
Comment: Yeah, musdherbs I caught the exchange, I try to watch Keith (one of the "good guys" lol) on the regular too. I was being facetious in my previous post. My point was that when EUR prints week-old articles and leaves out pertinent info, it takes away from the conversation. Had EUR mentioned the "apology" from O'Reilly, a significant component would have been added to the convo for the intelligent posters here at EUR to flesh out and it would have brought the story more up-to-date. Not doing so takes away from the provocativeness of the subject which a lot of America has already moved past--a consequence to being a day late and a dollar short. *Sigh*
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TGen
Comment: Okay I just "got" Kaya's 1st post, lol. BO = Bill O'Reilly! OOOH! lol Duh, I was thinking...well you know what I was thinking. lol
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MsFresno
Comment: blackdragon= cracka asssss cracka
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musbdherbs
Comment: TGEn..I had a "duh" moment too at first..lol Oh and I gotcha on the sarcasm thing. That would mean I got two "duh" moments in one day. WTF is going on here! EUR really could do better w/keeping abreast of things when they happen. It's baffling why they don't when info is available w/in a couple of clicks. Khufu, I defended O'Reilly for making the statement and I still do. Considering the context, I (as in me personally) don't think it was racist.
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blackdragon
Comment: Here we go again. It seems all of you don't like it when a black person has different view of something. MsFresno, I am black, I am a male, and I am 21-years-old. You, sir (or madam) are the moron for having a childish comment like that. Assuming you're older than me, I would expect you to act like an adult.
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khufu
Comment: Blakcdragon if not white
is under educated
naieve
ignant
misinformed
immature
lives in Utah
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blackdragon
Comment: Why is it when a black person has a different view of things that person gets the "Uncle Tom" treatment? All I know is this: I don't have to prove myself to anybody.
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Kofi
Comment: Racism for $$$$. The game goes like this: Bill O'Riley has to compete in the right wing noise machine with the likes of Rush Limbugh, Ann Colter, Sean Hanity, Michael Savage, et al. Each one has to say something over the top (but not too far over the top least they get fired) just to stay on the radar. These statements generate attention which in turn generates ratings = dollars. I fires up the racist demographic these people cater to as well. Even EUR benefits from this as well. 30+ comments means at least hundreds have probably seen this article. Eyes that see ads which in turn sell more ads. EUR is notorious for the pop-ups. The black intellegensia gets indignant and uses the media to rebut Bill O'Riley, that in turn generates more ratings that = dollars. Its all about the dollar bill in this 24 hr. news cycle, ADD tabloid obesessed culture.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Bdragon, I'll somewhat answer that it's probably the same reason that whenever a black person stands in defense of some'n "they" view as racist...they are called a race-mongerer/stuck in the past/blame the yt man etc. It's unfortunate either way but if you could explain one..you have the answer for the other.
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aubreyl
Comment: Ms. Michelle Obama used the words *really proud*. The use of the adjective *really*can be used in place of *very*. So what is the issue? She is not stating that she was never proud of being an American, just that her pride in America has increased manyfold. O,Reilly and others need to educate themselves where grammatical usage is concerned.One can also be patriotic without supporting all the actions of one,s countrymen.
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khufu
Comment: Racism has always had a wonderfully intimate relationship with $$$$$$$
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