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bigfriend
Comment: How do you evaluate racism in America on a scale of 1 to 10? My suspicion is that most blacks overrate it a bit. Not to say it’s not there, but we overrate it because this masking is part of our relationship to the larger society. This is a way we keep whites on the hook. We keep them obligated, and we keep ourselves entitled. Quote of the year! I am very surprised I have not heard of this guy before! Lots of fact and reality coming out of this mans mouth. But he is controversial because he is against welfare Afirmative action etc? Oh because all blackpeople have to be for that I forgot. If he came on this board some would probably call him white and not respect his views. I wonder why that seems familiar?? hmm
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HarrisThomas
Comment: Being familiar with his views, I didn't read the article as Steele is not new on the political literature scene and I know Steele is taking cheap shots at O-BA-MA!! on behalf of the conservative Republicans . . . since O-BA-MA!! is not speaking to anybody about entitlements the latest Steele musings are pure trash . . . finally, someone like O-BA-MA!! who personifies the can-do ethic and aspirations is touching people's spirit but that message is conveniently overlooked by people like Steele . . . YES WE CAN: WE ARE THE CHANGE THAT WE ARE WAITING FOR . . . WE DO NOT NEED PERMISSION TO MAKE THE CHANGE THAT WE NEED FOR OURSELVES
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HarrisThomas
Comment: Steele: old guard, conservative, useless and jealous of O-BA-MA!! achievements
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Story2tell
Comment: HT, I am familiar with this fool as well and could not read the article either. I co-sign what you said though.
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McNasty
Comment: That makes two of us HarrisThomas! I think he is jealous - it takes a lot of energy to be a black conservative - they are a definite minority. He's going after Obama not because he has a point but to make himself more relevant. He can't imagine that there is another intelligent right thinking successful black man that black people have no problem supporting in large numbers. It's just killin' him and that's why he's back with an interview that no one but bigfriend read.rotflmbao
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khufu
Comment: First of all, dp you really believe we are a minority?
Secondly, if you use the phrase "ethinc minority" did you know that you would be entitled to certain rights in the World Court and according to International Law?
That being the case: why dont people refer to us as "ethnic minorities" when they do say that we are " numerically less than other groups?"
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khufu
Comment: Minority Rights in National and International Law
Minority rights, as applying to ethnic, religious or linguistic minorities and indigenous peoples, are an integral part of international human rights law. Like children's rights, women's rights and refugee rights, minority rights are a legal framework designed to ensure that a specific group which is in a vulnerable, disadvantaged or marginalised position in society, is able to achieve equality and is protected from persecution. The first post-war international treaty to protect minorities, designed to protect them from the greatest threat to their existence, was the U.N. Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. Subsequent human rights standards that codify minority rights include the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (Article 27), the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Persons Belonging to National or Ethnic, Religious and Linguistic Minorities, two Council of Europe treaties (the Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities and the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages, and the OSCE Copenhagen Document of 1990.
Minority rights cover protection of existence, protection from discrimination and persecution, protection and promotion of identity, and participation in political life.
To protect minority rights, many countries have specific laws (for example the Constitution of South Africa), and/or commissions or ombudsman institutions (for example the Hungarian Parliamentary Commissioner for National and Ethnic Minorities Rights).[1]
While initially, the United Nations treated indigenous peoples as a sub-category of minorities, there is an expanding body of international law specifically devoted to them, in particular Convention 169 of the International Labour Organization.
Attempts to codify the rights of sexual minorities in international human rights law have met with strong opposition from a number of member states of the United Nations.
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khufu
Comment: I agree with his "bargaining Black" definition........however a BB is like a "dual consciousness" Blackperson as talked about by DuBois...
that person can be either an Uncle Tom where they bargain away their self-respect, intergrity and their Blackness (Condie Rice, Clarence Thomas, Armstrong Williams, Shelby Steele)
or the type most of us are.....you find a way to maintain your Blackness while co-existing in mainstream society...you compromise a little.....(Obama, Oprah)
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Renetta
Comment: I'm surprised Williams didn't drop to his or her knees and give Shelby some head. Sounded like a love fest to me. Both are shills for the Clintons - as well as EUR - the timing of this article - come on EUR - how much are the Clintons pay you? Williams tries to make Obama sound like an uncle tom with the line "It reminds me of a guy who tried to befriend me in college, saying, “We mulattoes have to stick together." Obama is not an uncle tom - he is a well spoken black man. I've met him, talked with him, worked on his U.S. Senate campaign - believe me both he and Michele are REAL. I am so sick of these stupid black fools who will sell out for 40 pieces of silver. They're everywhere - kam williams, shelby steele et all. Fk em.
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TGen
Comment: Excellent post Renetta!
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fanteeking
Comment: HEY HarrisThomas,Story2Tell, Khufu, McNasty & Renetta: Each day Bigfriend climbs aboard the EUR train with his/her medieval, draconian views on Black issues in America and just waits for us PROGRESSIVE-THINKING Black folks to bite the hook and go ballastic. Let's NOT dance to Bigfriend's tune and let him/her to continue to live on the plantation in "Gone With the Wind" sip mint juleps and comb Miss Sarah Jane's hair in the early mornin' sunshine. Sadly, Bigfriend is a carbon copy of Tavis Smiley with a similar political aberation. Both are SOOO jealous of a PROGRESSIVE BLACK MAN who inspires us to be better in the person of Obama. On one hand, they purport to be for Black American advancement but their actions dictate that they B. F. and Tavis Smiley are jealous slaves just glad to be pickin' cotton on the plantation. Jest happy t'be 'round white folks to entertain them (banjo pickin'?) and make them feel secure. "Yaw continue, to let B. F. play those mind games if yaw wont........." Me, I gotta go out a ring some mo' door bells for OBAMA!
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fanteeking
Comment: HarrisThomas: I saw G.B.D. this mornin' and fell out of my bed laughing again. You know what I'm talkin' 'bout! LOL!!!
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fanteeking
Comment: KHUFU: Didja answer my questions yestiday?
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MER82
Comment: Co-sign Renetta and Fanteeking--LOL, agreed regarding your comments on Bigfriend to the white man.
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khufu
Comment: FANTEEKING I didnt see any questions......
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Name:
khufu
Comment: who oe what is a BIGFRIEND?
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stopzmadness
Comment: I partly agree with his %*$essment of racism in this country. It exists certainly, but it's used far too often as the reason some people can't get by. I do think it's a crutch people use to keep them from having to challenge themselves to do more.
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Train
Comment: These blacks who feel such an obligation to the Clinton's kill me. John Lewis just recently gave his 'endorsement" to Sen. Obama. That endorsement is worth the 50 cents for my AJC.
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blackdragon
Comment: Bigfriend is entitled to his/her views. I don't know Shelby Steele, but it sounds like he's a bit jealous of Mr. Obama. Maybe I'm wrong.
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blackdragon
Comment: Racism exists, but, as stopzmadness said, it's a crutch used way too often by some blacks. We can be successful WITHOUT playing the race card.
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fanteeking
Comment: KHUFU: Look at the Russell Simmons story on Yestiday. I want yo' incite. (Pun intended)
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McNasty
Comment: Hey Fanteeking! You saw my post yesterday - bigfriend is for entertainment purposes only. No way I keep beating my head against the wall in trying to understand the walls he/she is coming off of. Let's face it - one of the reasons we can have an intellectual conversation is that all of us have a personal take on these current events and since bigfriend rarely comes back to the board there is never an argument!lol
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Train
Comment: We all know that racism still exist but it dayum sure not like it used to be. Shelby makes some valid points but he seems really negative towards Sen. Obama's candidacy.
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mcctusk
Comment: I actually like Steele's idea about criminalizing discrimination. LOL. That'l be that day!
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NYCsoul
Comment: Can someone explain to me how blacks use race as a 'crutch'? And if they do, why haven't they 'progressed' because of this racial crutch? And does having a 'crutch' necessarily mean that blacks are not 'achieving'?
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fanteeking
Comment: McNasty: Yes, I saw your BRILLIANT post yestiday and you hit the nail on the head. Maybe, if we jest ignore the racist, bigoted, conservative, narrow-minded, unka-tomish views of B.F. then maybe, he/she will jest go away. Maybe, I could direct him/her to ClarenceTOM-AZZ.com or TavisSmileyGreenMONSTER.com or some other conservative think tank. Wish me luck. LOL!!
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khufu
Comment: Crutch: when a victim allows their circumstances to hold them back...or when they use those circumstances as an excuse
Identification and discussion about the circumstances by the victim is necessary in order to resolve issues related to those circumstances, but when the victim is immobilized, it becomes a crutch
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dcdouglass01
Comment: Dating back to the early 70s, there was a certain group of Black people who could be sent into a conniption by a single accusation, which would be for, to quote Shelby Steele, "any little white person (to) come up and say, 'Well, you wouldn’t be here, if it weren’t for Affirmative Action.' " Now why that so bothered Shelby Steele and others like him, I'm not exactly sure because affirmative action was/is for the salvation of white people (the sinners), not Black people (the sinned upon). As for his simplistic model of Black people as either bargainers or challengers (it's amazing that such simple thinking can come from a so-called PhD), it's so ludicrous to point that it does little to hide his clear aim, which is to attack Obama. Now whether this is out of jealousy, spite, greed, or a desire to do the bidding of his right wing master, it's hard to say. Perhaps it's some combination of all these things.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: idiocy
Name: blackdragon
Comment: Bigfriend is entitled to his/her views. I don't know Shelby Steele, but it sounds like he's a bit jealous of Mr. Obama. Maybe I'm wrong.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: hey, fanteeking, I know that McNasty and you are right about bigfriend . . . I'm not going to be in a battle of words with the individual because like you, McNasty and khufu, I would rather provide information for folk who don't know as well as move the commentary to unexplored areas
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Kofi
Comment: Shelby makes %*$ertions but provides little evidence to support them. Obama can't win because he wears a racial mask. Just how is a racial mask defined? What is behind this "racial" mask? Additionally, black folks are much more complex politically than Shelby Steele suggest. We can be very liberal regarding economic policy and very conservative on issues regarding social mores. (ie gay marriage) This country has been sold fear and war door to door for the past 8 years. Hope is something this country is hungry for. HRC and Mc Cain represent that dispair and fear. They cynically divide the country into a red/blue divide. Obama seeks to bridge that divide and move us closer to that American ideal. SS is a republican shil who seeks to rationalize subtle white racism.
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sonnyd
Comment: Hey McN et al! I see you guys are being entertained yet another day by the board's BFF :) I've warned y'all about the risk of hypertension! Joking aside, though, Steve Ivory did have an interesting editorial on here a couple of weeks ago about what would we do as a people if the playing field was truly leveled. I thought it was an interesting thought to ponder. But yeah, this Steele dude is a trip. He lives for times like these b/c that's about the only time folks are checkin for him.
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McNasty
Comment: Fanteeking it's obvious that bigfriends ancestors were in the house and we all know what that breeds.lmao Were he/she in a position to do harm the scene in 'a soldier's story' comes to mind for me . . . 'had the nerve to ask why when we cut his throat'.
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McNasty
Comment: Hey Sonnyd!lol I used to get my back up but realized there is a real consistency with his/her posts and one thing I can't change is someone's mind. I can choose not to react to pseudo conservative rhetoric.
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NYCsoul
Comment: khufu> Thank you for your response. Even though I didn't bother wasting my time reading the article, I often wonder why blacks are quick to claim that other blacks are using 'race' as crutch. I agree that there is a minority of us who don't even try but most of us are busting our a$$e$(education and work) and still can't catch a break. You're working 10 times as hard and still, get the shaft. That's why I don't agree that blacks use 'race' as a crutch. Race is very real. After all, that's what has made the wealthiest 10% of the population rich and given yts the belief that they are entitled to something because of their race.
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musbdherbs
Comment: I read the article..lol His responses were much milder than those he has shared in the past...esp re: this book. Shelby and those like him present themselves as the talented 9th who "gets it" when in reality he offers simple explanations for complex problems. I like the idea of the bargainers and challengers. But, that's just psychology-like wording. I could come up w/other words. Starting from the title of his book, everything else is disingenious. Why would he "regret" titling the book as he has AFTER the fact. He knew the response he would get and led way for his media appearances. Self-promotion. Self-Promotion w/a definite swipe at Obama. How else could you explain the SS envisions Obama as part of the old paradigm but sees Harold Ford and Michael Steele as part of the new paradigm...especially Steele. Also, WTF is a black accent? Both he and Kam thinks he has a black accent. That sounds silly to me. So what exactly is a white accent? SS advocates suing those who discriminate against you. I agree that there are laws on the books for that purpose, I just think it works on a larger scale considering all that goes into actually filing a suit. Lastly, WTF do these "intelligent" black folk keep comparing the Clinton's blackness to Obama's. Hillary is not and will not ever be blacker than Obama is. That's just academically STUPID SHELBY STEELE!
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HarrisThomas
Comment: see, now, I thought Steele believed in looking at the "content of our character" because he did a book-length explanation of Dr. King's concept . . . like O-BA-MA!!, many of us have the audacity of hope and process ancestor reverence through the dreams of our fathers/mothers/grandfathers/grandmothers . . . when did Steele fall, bump his head and get off track?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: US presidential candidate Obama thanks Japanese town of Obama for support
17 hours ago
OBAMA, Japan — Obama has finally thanked Obama.
The fishing town of Obama in central Japan recently won worldwide fame for its fervent support for U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama.
The town's citizens have made headbands, T-shirts and sweet bean cakes decorated with his portrait and the town's mayor even sent gifts.
Now, on the eve of crucial primaries in Texas and Ohio, the mayor of Obama - a town 400 kilometres west of Tokyo with a population of 32,000 - is all smiles after hearing from Obama the man.
Mayor Toshio Murakami said today he received a letter a day earlier from Obama in response to a letter, DVD and lacquerware chopsticks he sent the candidate more than a year ago.
Obama wrote that he shared "more than a common name" with the Japanese town. he said they shared "a common planet and common responsibility."
Supporters in Obama - which means "Little Beach" in Japanese - plan to gather at a community centre to watch a live broadcast of Tuesday's primaries.
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Name:
jazzfan
Comment: "We could neva get away from massa if we try to leave the plantation. Why would I want to leave anyway, massa treat me so good?"
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