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KeepInMind
Comment: Isn't Michael Eric Dyson also the fast-talking, eloquent activist that claimed that 2Pac was a genius and a revolutionary leader? ...and to compare Rev. Jeremiah Wright to Dr. King? No, this sista ain't buying it. Plus, all of this talk about the Clintons and Obama - news flash to Michael Eric Dyson: on April 4, 2008, Hillary Clinton will be in Memphis to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the %*$assination of Dr. King while Barack Obama will be on the campaign trail. Oh wait, it doesn't matter because we black people are going to vote for Obama anyway, right? So, Obama doesn't have to prove anything to us at all. He should spend all of his time catering to everyone else except us. The Obama zombies can spin this one whatever way they want, but as opposed to Dr. King who talked the talk and most certainly walked the walk let's see what Obama really does for us black people. In the midst of all this hysteria, I bow out gracefully and refuse to post here at EUR anymore. Yes, action speaks louder than words with this sista and I'm getting the popcorn to watch this one unfold on the know-it-alls.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: last evening, I bought the Dr. Dyson's new book and it's proving to be an insightful read . . . . . . in the recent words of bill clinton, KeepInMind, "chill" and while on "chill" be reminded that Dr. King's efforts were not universally accepted among AAs or YTs, no matter whether he was speaking for the poor, for civil rights, and especially when he spoke against the Vietnam war . . . . . . increased respect and adulation for Dr. King came after his death . . . . . . without O-BA-MA!! in this race, many of us would not know that the clintons really don't like AAs
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CRENEEJ
Comment: see HARRIS, there you go again w/ the comments. how do u know the clintons don't like AAs? that's just inflammatory and IMO wrong. I don't like a lot of yt people, hell i don't like a lot of black people, but that doesn't mean that i make the general statement of not liking any of them. without BO in this race, you would be rallying behind HRC so enough with the clinton bashing already.... BO doesn't appeal to all AAs b/c i know quite a few who don't plan on voting for him. it doesn't mean they're going for HRC either. And on EM Dyson, this is the same person who had no problem sayin the word ni88er because he knew yt people were saying it. give me a f*ing break already.
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Luke_Cage
Comment: I can't wait to get this on audio cd. Michael Eric Dyson speaks the truth. I saw him on the Bill Maher show last year and he puts his thing down every time he speaks. And in an age where folks like to abuse the term "keeping it real", this brother knows just how to do that. HarrisThomas, high five to your ultra-cool comment.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: CRENEEJ: how do you know that the elitist, "ought to be president" clintons do like AAs? . . . . . I know that the clintons don't like AAs by comments that they or their surrogates have made since O-BA-MA!! has been standing in the path of the inevitable clinton coronation for the presidency . . . . . . bear in mind, that I don't trust politicians, I am a life-long independent, and I see O-BA-MA!! as someone who just might be able to bring transparency to government which would enpower all of us . . . . . . as of this post, O-BA-BA!! is not owned by uber wealthy special interests like those clinton supporters who jacked Pelosi, telling her that they are the democratic party and that she better get in line supporting the clintons who they own . . . . . . you and I don't have a fight, CRENEEJ, let's see how the dice roll
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HarrisThomas
Comment: Luke_Cage, we need to stand back-to-back because the shrillary supporters are on a take-all, slash and burn mission
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MER82
Comment: Wow-its really disheartening to see some black folk castigate this brilliant man, Dr. Dyson, because he uses the 'N' word. If people really wanted to learn, they would open their minds even if they were afraid of the truth. Its beyond belief and painful actually the way some negroes still want to rally behind Hillary after all the nonsense and stunts she's pulled. In the beginning, I too, was a Clinton fan, both Bill and Hill, in the early days of the race, if BO wouldn't have run or made it this far, I would have put my vote on Hillary. If this had been a fair, balanced and respectful race, it might have been a coin toss. But Hillary has shown a side to her that is most telling. She has shown that like most other white folk, she is a friend until you go against her. She has felt entitled throughout this campaign and it shows. To still support someone who has lied, manipulated, deceived, and blatanly misrepresented herself on a number of fronts, wow-there are no words. She has shown that the Clintons are more concerned about themselves than they are the will of the people. Its not about bashing, its about the truth come to light. I saw that light, Obama happens to be standing in it. He has a long road ahead of him, I wasn't convinced at first that he would be successful in cleaning up the mess of the white house and this country, but then I saw the light, it truly is destiny. Even if he, for some ungodly reason turned out to not be the nominee or win the candidacy, he was destined to be the spark to salvage what remains of the nation were once proud to be a part of, with the good, bad and the ugly. Fall in line with destiny or stay behind in despair.
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MER82
Comment: the nation WE were once proud of...
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Train
Comment: >Keeping in mind, Sen. Obama is running for President of the United States, not of black folks. People shouldn't look to any politician for what they can do for them 'cause they're supposed to do for themselves.
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DOne
Comment: I have to admit I've never read any of Dyson's books. However, the times I've heard him speak on TV he always comes off as a poverty pimp in that no matter what a black person does, its the white man's fault. He doesn't appear to be big on personal accountability which is why I think he's such a big support of Kwame Kalpatrick in Detroit. Honestly, I'm surprised that he's an Obama supporter. However, if I'm wrong, please school me.
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MER82
Comment: DOne, its simple, check out some of his books for yourself.
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Luke_Cage
Comment: HarrisThomas, it must be said that Michael Eric Dyson is a man who sports great oratorical skills backed by great intellect and intense commitment. He’s a serious writer and deep scholar and the world cannot help but listen when be begins to speak. It’s not just to unleash rhetoric on an unsuspecting public, or at times, it sure does appear to be that’s what he’s doing because so many people are jaded and their sight may be a bit obscured. MED will definitely make it a bit clearer when he’s done. And when some do not agree with him, I do understand where they are coming from. Heck, there are times when I don’t agree with the brother myself. But, make no mistake. The reverend scholar will not be held down. He talks to everyone, not just black people even though we are the major listeners and receivers of his words. When I think of Dyson, I think about a line from a song by KRS One. – “kings lose crowns, teachers stay intelligent.” MER82- I loved the last 3 lines of your comment friend!
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blackdragon
Comment: Some of you are like sheep. Always the follower, never the leader. Michael Eric Dyson is a pseudo-intellectual and, as somebody else puts it, a poverty pimp. Here is a guy who thinks it's okay to use the n-word , but he gets offended if whites use it. Here's a guy that thinks the late rapper Tupac was some kind of a genius. Here's a guy who thinks whites are responsible for what blacks do, when he knows the blacks should take personal responsibility for their actions. He also apologizes for the stupidity and ignorance some blacks portray. This guy is a joke, just like Al Sharpton is a joke. There is nothing I or anybody else can learn from this so-called "intellectual." Don't drink the Kool-Aid, people.
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Stephanie
Comment: What bothers me is: whenever civil rights comes up, everyone equates it to MLK. Although I feel Dr. King played a very significant role in the movement, he did not invent it nor did it stop and start with him. There were countless of others who were behind the scenes trying to get equal rights for us as well...I figure the whole thing was a set up anyway. When they had the boycott in AL, the US government realized just how strong the black dollar was to the economy so what better way to calm the masses but to send in a preacher to tell us if we don't love one another, we're going to hell. I think intergration set us back a thousand years.
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GHank
Comment: HarrisThomas>>>>>>>Speaking of the Clintons, I know (because I was there) that Bill Clinton was at the UNCF as the keynote speaker in NYC last March and i must say, the man SPOKE with passion and gave a lot of money and help fundraised a lot of money to help UNCF. Now, if that ain't liking AA's then I don't what is.
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DOne
Comment: >MER82, that's just it. Although I agree with his comments about King in this article, I've never heard him say anything that made me want to go buy one of his books.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: blackdragon, you know that AAs are not all like-minded in words or actions . . . . . still, we manage, situationally, to find commonality of cause {Jena 6?} and we rise above our differences from time to time in order to take baby steps towards change . . . . . rather than throw the toilet at Dyson, borrow the book, read a much as you can stand to read in order to determine whether he's pimping AAs or providing expanded insight on Dr. King
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GHank
Comment: I have a few of Dyson books and there's no doubt the man is smart. I just think that there no one point of view about anything. I have books on Bill & Hillary Clinton, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Cornell West, Tavis Smiley.. even Clarence Thomas and Juan Williams. Everyone has a little something to bring to the table.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: GHank, so what - that YT does not respect nothing about you . . . . . you make my point: clinton thinks we just ought to like him as well as think that he likes us 'cause he done soooo much for us; if he worked tirelessly to level the playing field and stepped out of the way, we will do just fine without him and he knows it . . . . . . give a person a meal ([dripping with sarcasm]which the person ought to appreciate) or teach the person to provide his/her own meal so than the person man can stand with equality among all people
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GHank
Comment: HarrisThomas>>>>>>I haven't seen Barak Obama give anything.. My point is to say that you say that Clinton doesn't like AA's. I just want to know where are you getting this? Now, I do.... I really do understand that AA's have to work for ourselves and he actually said that at the UNCF dinner. (to standing ovation) I know a whole lotta white folks that could care less what AA's do. I just don't think that Bill fits into that category. If you like Obama, then that's fine, but you don't have to trash the Clintons in your allegance to the Obamas.
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NYCsoul
Comment: Obama was a community activist. So he did give back 'something' to his community. He could have easily accepted a lurcative corporate lawyer job but he didn't. His calling was to help his community. Granted, the Clintons raised money here, there and everywhere for blacks but hell, so do alot of our own people.
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GHank
Comment: NYCSoul>>>>>That's all I am saying. I read in the paper last week (I think it was the NY Daily News) week how Obama's charity giving really sucks. Now, I know probably no one saw that. I have no idea how true or false is that. But I don't just trash Obama because of that. Again, my point is a lot of people do things in many different ways.
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4462DG
Comment: I was listening to the M. Baisden show yesterday and I don't know who the man was (I think he was from New York) he didn't so much diss HRC, but he did say, Hillary Clinton is not Bill Clinton!!!! That should be remembered!!!
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4462DG
Comment: Regarding Obama's charity giving, does he have millions like HRC, I know he wrote some books, but let's be for real-this man has two school aged children he I'm sure intends to put through college, lol, so he may have money, but he don't have HRC money, does he?
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4462DG
Comment: And will we ever know just how much money HRC has, since she still won't release her tax records!!!!!!!
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MER82
Comment: DOne, start with the library, there are other sources for you to determine for yourself besides the tired, hateful speech of those who "speak without knowing that of what they speak types." As for what Dyson said about Tupac, it would behoove you Blackdragon to dig a little deeper on that one and just maybe expand what you think you know about what Dyson said and who Tupac was. But of course that starts with an interest to really seek knowledge for self, not just a lazy approach of using sound bites and propaganda to help substantiate your teeming predjudices. Its nothing new it has been used for the ages to keep the sheep in line.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: GHank, per my earlier post on this board, I don't trust politicians and I don't trust them because they much too frequently do not represent the people who elected them, choosing instead to function on behalf of the special interests who funded them . . . . WJC only gives back based on what he can get in return and what does he get for his participation in the fundraiser? . . . . . WJC was broke eight years ago, what is the source of his money? . . . . I ain't mad or sad because you support the clintons: are you among the 28% of clintons' supporters will not vote for O-BA-MA!! in the general election if he wins the dems' nomination?
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blackdragon
Comment: MER82, you are the sheep. Michael Eric Dyson has said the late rapper Tupac was a "genius" and a "revolutionary leader." How? He was no different from any other rapper. He was no leader. Entertainers should not be role models.
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BigRuss
Comment: MER82, I would not waste another breath on blackdragon. You made your point that knowledge should be sought before running ff at the mouth. I for one agree that Tupac was a genius. Genius comes from within. I can't discount him because he was a rapper. Further, I cannot discount him because he was human. Micheal a poverty pimp? I don't think so. I can think of worse things being sold to the poor.
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Papasmurf83
Comment: Dyson is right - King definitely sounded different post 1965. In fact, he wasn't too far from how Jeremiah Wright sounded. Check out this little bit from his "Drum Major Instinct" speech (full version is here http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/publications/sermon s/680204.000_Drum_Major_Instinct.html )
This is probably why McCain didn't vote for an MLK holiday. King was very outpoken and critical of the Vietnam war. And, if you substitute "Iraq" for Vietnam", Kind could give the same speech today if he was alive.
"But this is why we are drifting. And we are drifting there because nations are caught up with the drum major instinct. 'I must be first.' 'I must be supreme.' 'Our nation must rule the world.' And I am sad to say that the nation in which we live is the supreme culprit. And I'm going to continue to say it to America, because I love this country too much to see the drift that it has taken.
God didn't call America to do what she's doing in the world now. God didn't call America to engage in a senseless, unjust war as the war in Vietnam. And we are criminals in that war. We’ve committed more war crimes almost than any nation in the world, and I'm going to continue to say it. And we won't stop it because of our pride and our arrogance as a nation.
But God has a way of even putting nations in their place. The God that I worship has a way of saying, "Don't play with me." He has a way of saying, as the God of the Old Testament used to say to the Hebrews, "Don’t play with me, Israel. Don't play with me, Babylon. Be still and know that I'm God. And if you don't stop your reckless course, I'll rise up and break the backbone of your power." And that can happen to America. Every now and then I go back and read Gibbons' Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. And when I come and look at America, I say to myself, the parallels are frightening. And we have perverted the drum major instinct.
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Luke_Cage
Comment: Here here Papasmurf. I'm feeling that.
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dport
Comment: blackdragaon, you better tell them the truth. His use of the n-word bothers me.
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GHank
Comment: HarrisThomas>>>>No, I will vote for Obama in November. I didn't vote in the primaries (I live in New Jersey) because I knew Hillary would win here...and she did. Besides, I liked John Edwards, but he was out before the race really started. But as I said on other boards in the past is that Obama should focus on McCain and not Hillary. let Hillary tripp her own self up (which she did). I reckognized what the Clintons did for me, but I also realize that Obama comes with the same ideas as Hillary, so he can continue to do good things and improve on what Clinton started. Let's be honest, prior to Clinton, you really had no other President do what he did for b lack folk, maybe except for Lyndon Johnson and maybe Jimmy Carter, but I would take them over Reagan, Nixon, and Bush any day. I'm just going to wait and see what Obama can do before I start to sing his praises. Obama would want that as well. he knows the pressure is on him to deliver....it has to be. Michael Dyson will probably write something about Obama in the negative just to provide some thought provoking stuff.
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: Please do not judge ERic Michael Dyson by snippets you see on T.V. Additionally while I am a fan of people who indiscrimately use the 'N' word I certainly can move past that one thing to see what they are about. Eric Michael Dyson is extremely intelligent and makes some very valid points, now I realize all of his comments may not be everyone's cup of tea but it doesn't negate his intelligence just because you don't agree with what he thinks. He embraced Tupar because of some of his very eloquent lyrics, but undertood that he was conflicted. He has never struck me as a Poverty Pimp and BTW since that phrase is bandied about so much can I get a defination and how his actions apply? Just reading this article should give you a clue of what he is about.
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: Sorry folks, typing on the fly, at least I could do is get my guy's name right if I'm defending him. MICHAEL ERIC DYSON!
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Name:
SweetieDarlin
Comment: Again typing on the fly can get you misunderstood, meant to say---not a fan of people who use the 'N' word...
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: Here is an excerpt of a letter Wright wrote to an newspaper reporter he sat down and talked to:
March 11, 2007
Jodi Kantor
The New York Times
Dear Jodi:
Thank you for engaging in one of the biggest misrepresentations of the
truth I have ever seen in sixty-five years. You sat and shared with me
for two hours. You told me you were doing a “Spiritual Biography” of
Senator Barack Obama. For two hours, I shared with you how I thought he
was the most principled individual in public service that I have ever
met...For two hours, I talked with you about how idealistic he was...We
talked about how refreshing it would be for someone who knew about Islam
to be in the Oval Office. Your own question to me was, "Didn’t I think it
would be incredible to have somebody in the Oval Office who not only knew
about Muslims, but had living and breathing Muslims in his own family?" I
told you how important it would be to have a man who not only knew the
difference between Shiites and Sunnis prior to 9/11/01 in the Oval
Office, but also how important it would be to have a man who knew what
Sufism was...we talked about how rare it was to meet a man whose Christianity was not
just “in word only”...Barack had it “in his hand.” Barack had in his grasp a uniqueness in terms of his spiritual development that one is hard put to
find in the 21st century, and you did not print that...You and your editor
proceeded to present to the general public a snippet, a printed “sound
byte” and a titillating and tantalizing article about his disinviting me to the Invocation on the day of his announcing his candidacy...I have never been exposed to that kind of duplicitous behavior before,
and I want to write you publicly to let you know that I do not approve of
it and will not be party to any further smearing of the name, the
reputation, the integrity or the character of perhaps this nation’s first
(and maybe even only) honest candidate offering himself for public
service as the person to occupy the Oval Office...The New York Times became George Bush and the
Republican Party’s national “blog.” The New York Times played a role in
the outing of Valerie Plame. I do not know why I thought The New York
Times had actually repented and was going to exhibit a different kind of
behavior...Jodi. You looked me straight in my face and told me a lie!
Sincerely and respectfully yours,
Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. ,
Senior Pastor
Trinity United Church of Christ
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Name:
HarrisThomas
Comment: cyberwave, GHank . . . . . I know that pundits say that O-BA-MA!! and the clintons are very close in their political idealogy but I tend to disagree because O-BA-MA!! has one ver significant plank that is for transparent governance which he already functions from . . . . . the clintons were not transparent during their two administrations [especially during the fight for universal health care which locked many dems out of the discussions/negotiations] and may not very willing to be transparent even if nominated [their stuff will be heavily redacted for "national security" purposes]
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Name:
TRIPLETHREAT
Comment: DYSON NEVER EVEN SPOKE ON KING AND HARRIS WHO IS THE AAs AND BLAQUEB:TCH WHERES YOUR GIRFREIND GRACE AT CANDY LICKERS
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