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blaquebaby
Comment: No matter what Oprah money is never ending so who cares about the popularity vote! I think this is just another attempt to try to find fault in Obama campaign, get it together people its not going to work! Time for a change has arrived!
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jazzfan
Comment: Yeah, between Obama and her "alternative religion" (which from what I've heard, sounds very similar to the theories in a book I read 30 years ago called "Three Magic Words", the crux of which was also "I am God)'they' are becoming disenchanted with her.
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msstarr82
Comment: so what?? no big deal and so damn sickeningly typical. all that's happened is a good dose of miz oprah is STILL BLACK,and white people think they own her--the same as always. it should be obvious to anyone Black who ever thinks they've risen into acceptance that white people in america never forget your place and that they don't intend to let you forget or leave it. as long as you obey what they think you should and not step out of the assigned area you'll be okay. don't forget all she did was exercise her BIRTHRIGHT to campaign for the man she wanted as president. it ain't illegal or unpatriotic so what's the damn problem??
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professo285
Comment: This Professor is not important anyways. Just as someone posted here, Oprah has earned her keep and there is more to come for her. Regardless of her religious beliefs and who she is supporting for President. If she were supporting Clinton, folks would have something to say about it too so what the hell. She’s starting new businesses and creating other ways to make money.
All of these polls are nothing but bull %*$! as pollsters choose selective people to participate. In all most every case, polls that have put Obama behind have been wrong!! “a change is going to come” but it is up to us to make the difference.
Go OO (Oprah and Obama).
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fanteeking
Comment: SHHEE-ITT! Who cares what some fuzzy-headed professor from Fordham U. thinks. His only claim to fame is that he teaches poly sci 101 in Kennedy Hall. His azz ain't even tenured so I question his research and writing skills. LOL!! Oprah got a BILLION dollars in her bank account and this professor drives a Ford Pinto!! LOL!!! Hillary is behind this story. I can smell her! Switching topics, could sumbody puullleeeze 'xplain to my WHY D
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fanteeking
Comment: Computers in Silver Springs, MD are faulty! Pray tell me why Dan Rather was fired for revealing that Dumbo Bush was a draft dodger whose daddy kept him out of the Viet Nam War and placed him in the National Guard. When he was fired for telling TRUTH errybody including the liberal media did the moonwalk on him. He stood up to the white house and pulled our collective coats and got burned. (scratching my fatt head)
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Ky901
Comment: JazzFan,
I agree with you. Pretty much I agree with everyone. I definitely don't believe Oprah has suffered popularity due to her support for Obama. If anything its because of the new wave of religious thought taught in "The New Earth"..... This has truly disconnected her audience (especially the younger audience). Plus, she has been having a lot of celebrities on her show lately who many people don't really care about....
That has probably
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MsBlake
Comment: Alot of white women are really angry about Oprah's Obama endorsement, they see it as a betrayal and expected her to either vote for a woman or stay neutral. Here is what i find crazy - Despite them making up most of her base, they don't own her, shes a free woman, secondly if Oprah persuades some white women to go for Obama, white women don't lose cos they'll be backin both candidates, thirdly if one chooses a candidate because of a celebrity endorsement then...well.. that person ain't too bright cos different policies affect people differently, also what if Hilary was up against a black woman, would they be as mad if she went for the black woman?, finally whether they find her unfavourable is irrelevant she is still the leading talk show host and gettin richer. This is such a non issue.
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Winn30344
Comment: You just have to read LA Times "Top of the Ticket"..this so-called story was reported there Wednesday and because of "overwhelming" response they updated it for yesterday also and you wouldn't believe the comments. It'two white guys running this blog who are obviously Billary supporters and the comments were downright nasty. One yt commenter said "white woman made you billions; we made you and you stabbed us in the back; i'll never watch your show again"..that's how these stupid azz yt people think and it's absolutely unbelievable. They knock her for not supporting Billary because she's a woman while whining that she's only supporting Obama because he's Black; how hypocritical is that?
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Renetta
Comment: That's the price you pay for having balls. Hell, she's rich. Who cares what fckrs think when you're rich. Being rich affords you the freedom to dress the way you want, say what you want, live the way you want. I would lose NO sleep over it.
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BlkATLTop
Comment: Who cares. Oprah pimped yt folks for years and got her money. That woman is BRILLIANT!
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MsBlake
Comment: Winn you're right I came across this LA Times story yesterday as well and noticed it was one sided. Anyway I just heard Tavis Smiley has quit the Tom Joyner show. Not sure why, maybe his constant Obama bashing is hurting the ratings, or Tom Joyner who is an Obama supporter wasn't having it or the Clintons cancelled Tavis' the check because he was unable to deliver the black vote like he promised. If anyone can confirm this rumour pls provide details. Many thanks.
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Train
Comment: Oprah has the right to endorse who she wants to. White women thought they owned her but the jokes on them.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: actually, Oprah is under attack by evangelicals and that attack has much more negative sway than her endorsement of O-BA-MA!! . . . . . . check this YouTube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW4LLwkgmqA [be sure to delete any spaces that may have transmitted with this post]
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Train
Comment: All of these evangelicals can kiss my black azz. Espcially that one dude from N.Y. who keeps hating on Sen. Obama every chance that he get's. The other day he talked about the man's mama...oohhh helllllll no!!. That's fighting words right there and his old azz will get knocked down.
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Winn30344
Comment: Yep..Tavis has resigned and now it's the Tavis lovefest from callers and Tom Joyner. I was saying "bye bye" when TJ said he's resigning; see ya..take your hate someplace else. Sounds very childish to me and like he's throwing a temper tantrum because Black folks refused to bow down to his tirades every week and were tuning him out and letting him know that. As a journalist that's been on BET I would have thought he had larger balls than that but obviously the ego was bigger!!
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fanteeking
Comment: G'mornin' MsBlake: I hope what you heard about Tavis Smiley leaving the Tom Joyner show is true. Make my Friday! LOL!! Black folks from Peru, IN about two hours from Naptown USED TO be so proud of Tavis since he came from a humble background there and wuz a native son who did good. My job takes me there weekly and lately I ain't heard nobody mention his name. Last nite, somebody torched the Hillary Clinton Campaign office in Terre Haute, IN which is an hour from here and I categorically deny that I wasn't no way near Terre Haute last night. So if you see me handcuffed on CNN tonite, please bail me out ASAP!! LOL!!!
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Muzak
Comment: That's a joke. "OPRAH" never geared her program towards a popularity contest. "OPRAH" don't give a dam about that stuff. It's too juvenile to get concerned about. There are bigger issues in the world that this stuff. It's trivial at best. (lol)
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DCGG
Comment: Uh yeah and Okrah will have a many sleepness nights over this bullshyt...
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Train
Comment: Did Tevis really resign? If so why and what were the circumstances of it?
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Southernbelle
Comment: I really believe that Oprah's at a point in her life, both financially and professionally, where she can say to those fans "Two tears in a bucket..F#$% it.
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PRDC
Comment: I guess they have made enough money off of Oprah, now see will get the wake-up call. I don't believe in these polls they take because they only ask about 100 people then make you think everybody was polled. Ellen will never be another Oprah, why because her audience is majority white even thou Oprah was too but she had a diversity range of people. They will make you and tear you down when they want to. That goes for every black or brown person in this world. Its a shame that people don't have sense enough to see through this stuff. So we have to stick together and whatever we do..KEEP MOVING......
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Southernbelle
Comment: TJMS confirmed this morning that Tavis is no longer with the show. I knew his Obama stance would come back and bite him in the azz. He should have just let it go.
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thatbklyngirl
Comment: Oprah don't give a rattsazz what they think. You can't touch her now. Her show is guranteed until she retires. Her radio show is on lock. She can and will continue as she damn well pleases. YT folks thought she transended race, Oprah never did. Her support of the school and South Africa and backing of Obama let know where she stands. And if you watch that Youtube clip of her an Obama rally she's letting those members of her audience know YOU DON"T OWN ME.
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VeeCee
Comment: Okay - who in the HELL uses AOL anymore anyway?! So this so-called survey is trivial and irrelevant..... next!
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Train
Comment: I guess all of those fat azz, middle age white housewives will just have to find another lady to worship.
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gingerg
Comment: Tavis is probably mad because Rev Al slapped back at him the other day about ranting about Obama not coming to Memphis last week. It was becoming tit for tat.
Now, if TJMS can just get rid of huggie lowdown......
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gingerg
Comment: Tavis was so obsessed with Obama that it was pretty much all he talked about. He seems to be a very insecure man beneath all of the hype. If Roland Martin has the time, he would be a good replacement.
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Winn30344
Comment: Gingerg..Roland Martin would be great..send that suggestion to TJMS.
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MsBlake
Comment: Good afternoon Fanteeking (its actually 2.48pm here lol). Anyway it looks like Winn has confirmed the rumour, its now fact. Tavis tried to step up to the 'movement' but got knocked down. Eurweb will probably report this story late next week (u know how late they can be lol). I was watching Bill Maher the other day and he was interviewing several Hispanics who all pretty much said they were voting Clinton when asked why they said because she is a woman and because of her husband. I don't have a problem with that but when Tavis is saying don't vote Obama cos he's black he should also be saying don't vote Clinton cos she's a woman or because of her husband, if not he'd be seen as a hater. JMO
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Southernbelle
Comment: @ gingerg, for real. Huggie needs to go far, far away and where Ms Dupree and Myra J?
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gingerg
Comment: In all honesty, we can't afford to have a herd mentality and we must learn to deal with opposing views. However, when a person's motives are suspect......
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BigBlackRod
Comment: Maybe O will start appealing more to Black folks now that her erstwhile base is eroding. Either way, her checks'll still clear...PEACE.
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gingerg
Comment: Tavis wrote a check his azz couldn't cash.
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professo285
Comment: Tavis is an intelligent man but sometimes he could get on your nerves. It’s just like on Tuesday, he was wining because Obama didn’t come to Tennessee last weekend to honor King’s %*$assination.
Obama has a job to do and I think that if Dr. King were alive and it were someone else, he would understand that.
Look at it this way, if I were throwing some kind of event for successful black journalist and I invited Tavis, if he had something else to do, would he show up? So long Tavis!!!!!
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MsBlake
Comment: Gingerg, Al Sharpton responded to Tavis for real?? ouch! As much as I love watching Ellen, I still have to watch Oprah and I'm sure there are alot of folks like that. Ellen' show is a like a one hour feel good fest, but u don't come away from the show having learned anything unlike Oprah who covers health, finance, etc As I said before Oprah ain't got nothin to worry about. P.s. Definitely Roland Martin to replace Tavis. i agree.
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MsBlake
Comment: lol@Fanteeking, u sure it wasn't u who set Clinton's campaign office on fire last night??? Its just that you never have good things to say about the Clintons and..... well.... u were in the area......I'm just sayin!!!
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gingerg
Comment: Tavis was upset because he couldn't MAKE Obama come to the State of the Union or Memphis. He didn't clown for weeks on end when the Republicans blew him off and publicly embarrassed him by not attending his event.
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gingerg
Comment: Yep! Reverend Al showed out this week, too. TJ probably said "enough of this mess. Somebody has got to go and it sure as he11 ain't going to be me. It's my show!" LOL!
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gingerg
Comment: Don't let Rev Al's demeanor fool you. He might be saved and all, but he'll check and/or deck a brother in a NY minute.
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fanteeking
Comment: Naw MsBlake: Last nite, I wuz washing clothes and looking at CNN and tryna figure out what new sh!t ole Hillary wuz up to. LOL!!! I travel thru Terre Haute weekly en route to Evansville, In but rarely stop 'cause ain't nuthin' there! LOL!!! They got Ind. State U., the Black American Legion and VFW but thatz about it. The town rolls up its sidewalks at dusk. LOL! I wasn't me who torched it but I ain't sheddin' no tears. LOL!!
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McNasty
Comment: Who cares about the small minded bit players that would hold Obama against Oprah! She can buy all and everything she needs - including friends and supporters.
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McNasty
Comment: Fanteeking that's why Dan Rather has a multi million dollar lawsuit against the powers that be. He did indeed tell the truth and the fact that any and all documentation supporting what he said about bushit's lack of a military career has miracously disappeared - except the copies he has!
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McNasty
Comment: Southernbelle Tavis got tired of reading this board and BAW and receiving the calls from his long term listeners berating him for acting like a tool instead of, like Obama, letting God use him as one!
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fanteeking
Comment: McNasty: THANKS!
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mandinka_99
Comment: Bottom line all of this is a back-handed effort by evangelicals to hurt Obama! Oprah's religious views have been pretty much the same since the 90's when she began to embrace a lot of New Age and eastern religious concepts. But Oprah at her core is still religiously rooted in her Southern Baptist upbringing. White folks didn't have a problem with her religious views UNTIL she had the audacity to endorse and financially support a BLACK MAN for president! All'a the middle class white women who just knew Oprah was gonna endorse Hillary Clinton are just hatin'!
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McNasty
Comment: I just heard on the radio that the last surviving child of Mrs. Vandross has made his transition. All of her children now have preceeded her in death. Lord how heavy must be the load she has been left to bear. My prayers are with her.
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MsBlake
Comment: Oh but Fanteeking, my friend said he saw someone who fit your description. He said your car was parked two blocks away from the campaign office and that you were seen not too far from the scene of the crime dressed in black, wearing dark sunglasses, clutching a cigarette lighter and erm...well... looking kinda suspect, now I'm not sayin its you but......well....I'm just sayin.lol
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McNasty
Comment: Fanteeking very few people remember the fact that there were reports very early on during the presidency of daddy bushit having an affair. It was on the evening news for a hot minute and afterwards not nary a peep. Very few people also don't remember that just before this bushit and his brother were caught on the docks in Florida just before he got selected/stole the first election, by the coast guard readying themselves to accept a huge shipment of cocaine. The two coast guardsmen actually had a written report on the incident and just like the affair, the military non record and all amerikkka's resources - the men the evidence and the documentation have all disappeared! So I was happy as a sissy in punktown when I heard in the last two months or so that after extensive consultation with a team of lawyers he's suing their pants off!
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MsBlake
Comment: I just listened to Tavis' recent commentaries on Black American web and they were'nt as bad as I thought, he sounded fair. Although he did say recently Obama threw the Rev under the bus (huh?), I think he was upset Obama did not defend his the rev's words. I agree some of what Wright said was true but stuff like the government brought aids into the black community is pretty ridiculous. For all we know Wright told Obama to publicly reject his words so white folks could feel good. Tavis ain't hearing any of that though! Mcnasty I believe it was Luther Vandross' mother that died not her child, yesterday the same day as Bob Marley's mother.
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jess
Comment: Just another sad attempt take down two high powered Black people at one time. Ain't working. As for the evangelicals...still using religion to try and control people. As for Tavis...Buh-Bye!
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TMan
Comment: This Oprah poll stuff on her decline in ratings or popularity since she embraced Obama I think is hogwash - another weak diversion tactic attempt. On another tip, Speaking of Tavis, what is this I hear this morning on Tom Joyner that Tavis will not be part of the TJMS anymore. Joyner seemed to take it as a diss but I couldn't understand why. Tavis already does TV and Radio on his own so what gives on Joyner feeling dissed?
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fanteeking
Comment: MsBlake: LOL! LOL!!
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TMan
Comment: It's amazing to me that there is so much hatin on Tavis. He always seems to be a fair shooter to me when I hear him do commentary and interviews as he sees it. One of the last few that are out here black or white that dont bring hidden agendas into the interviews or reporting. What gives with the hate on Tavis? Ya'll never liked him? Wow. Who knew?
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ladybyrd
Comment: Mmmm... Here comes that fuzzy math again, to try and discredit our people. Don't believe the hype. Women (black & White) are backing Oprah in regard numbers, just like there are Middle Class white men and women voting for Obama. Don't drink the koolaid, stand firm.
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ladybyrd
Comment: Tman> I used to love Tavis, until he decided to have a personal vandetta against our first viable Black Presidential candidate. Tavis has spewed so much hate and negativity all while praising the Clintons. He all but DEMANDED Obama's presence at the Black State Of The Union Address. He knew that Obama was fighting to make up ground in Texas & Ohio. Yet, he went on the Tom Joyner show with a relentless attack against Barack Obama. He was acting like a jilted school girl. Tavis thinks that he speaks for us and he is the end all be all. I used to think that Tavis was a really intelligent guy, but he's not as smart as I thought he was. Shame on Tavis...
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MER82
Comment: Co-sign Tman it is a weak attempt to divert attention and votes away from two powerful Black folk. In reality, these so-called polls and popularity ratings are a bunch of shyt anyway, who ever really gets these calls? When it comes to daytime tv, there is always someone up, someone down. O has been taking her attention away from her show in recent years, moving on and expanding on other ideas, meanwhile, Ellen is on the come up. Its only a matter of time before the tide turns again-and no single factor like O endorsing O is going to hurt her ratings. Just chit-chatter as usual. And by the way there is nothing alternative about Oprah's spirituality, I don't think religion is a factor at all. Some folk just aren't ready to deal in truth and as I said yesterday, everybody ain't going to get there with you, as you expound on your values and moral beliefs. Oprah knows this and finally had the ovaries to support who and what she wants regardless. Some peeps will simply be left behind.
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MsBlake
Comment: Tman I hear what you're saying, but like I mentioned earlier if Tavis was critisizing all candidates, folks wont be too upsetjust one. Alot of folks are sticking with Clinton cos of her gender and husband regardless of her policies and others are doing the same with Obama cos of his race. If Tavis warns the community not to focus on race when choosing a candidate, should he not also mention gender and loyalty to ones husband? When he does not do that it makes him look onesided. Other than that he's a good brotha and a great role model.
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Grace12_34
Comment: What about Oprah's other television show, "The Big Give?" I haven't seen it yet, but I heard it's doing very well.
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Grace12_34
Comment: McNasty, I thought it was Mrs. Vandross herself who passed away a couple of days ago??
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realuvbaby
Comment: Right on blacquebaby. Obama has no heavy baggage, and the media is trying to give him some. They are just weighing him down with crap and as far as O is concerned, she's done it all, got God's ATM PIN No. and there's absolutely NOTHING the media could do to the QUEEN. We can survive with or without and have done so. Just diggin deep and it's not a good look either. Oprah and Obama touched by God to do what they do for such a time as these!
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MsBlake
Comment: Meant to say critisize all candidates not just one!!!
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TMan
Comment: ladybyrd, I followed that whole thing too, and I did not think Tavis had a personal vendetta on Obama at all. I followed it pretty closely and it did not come off like that to me at all. I think people took his putting Obama on blast for not coming, personally. LOL. I for one actually dig when Tavis does that when it's time for his conferences etc, because it keeps people honest and holds them accountable. I dont see anything wrong with that. He lets us know some of the behind the scenes stuff so it can be thrown in the person's court to respond or do better next time. I know Barack has his fine line he has to dance on and cross safely for the next several months but in all honestly, I think it sucks that he has to ignore and skip so many of his own people's events for fear of appearing "too black" or limited to his own people. Isn't that reverse psychology reveresed twice? LOL! It seems we are the only people in the world who are expected to do that when it comes to getting "a slice of a bigger peice of pie" or obtaining the grand prize whatever it may be. Fine line walking is one thing to get what u want but damn. You gonna live your whole life like that to please the world? LOL! I mean to Obama not you. ;) I just cant stand to see the political dance to avoid hurt feelings that may hurt your chances so much when it goes on for months and years. It gets to a point where, OK we all know why you couldnt come once again, that is when it gets beyond beyond and almost funny. "OK Brother Barack, we know ONCE AGAIN why u couldnt join us." Lordy. It gets old to me.
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ladybyrd
Comment: TMan > If he discussed it on one show, I would consider that on blast. If he discussed on the same show for a few days, it's personal. And some of the shots were cheap shots. Tavis should have just moved on. Obama isn't the first Presidential Candidate to not show up, yet he acted as if he was. Move on Tavis... Tom Joyner allowed Tavis time to air his grievances. You asked, I answered. Let's move on...
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TMan
Comment: On The Clintons tip, I never thought Tavis was that much in love with them and all that they have done. When I hear or watch his shows on them over the years, he holds and has held them accountable too. It never seemed like no love affair between him and them. LOL. He would take them to task too. OK , let me say it another way -- I never interpreted Tavis' like for The Clintons any greater than the average brotha or sister who liked or appreciated them in the 90s etc. ;)
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ladybyrd
Comment: TMAN> We don't know if he didn't show,because he would be deemed "too black". Remember there was a little race going on in the states of Texas & Ohio, which he was very behind in both. I thought that was a good enough reason for him not to attend. He was A LITTLE busy, damn it. Catch me when I get elected.
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Calidee
Comment: I don't think the purpose of the Professor's study was to criticize or discredit Oprah. It pointed out something that a lot of people already knew. Celebrity endorsements are no big deal and sometimes it can hurt the celebrity. If in fact her popularity has dropped, there is nothing to be sad about, because she'll still be okay.
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TMan
Comment: ladybyrd, interesting. We all know by now Tavis can put someone on blast in his own way. LOL! He will do it in front of a whole audience, but it never seems evil intended to me when he does it. It seems he does it to let it be known why the person did not show up. Stuff like that usually goes on behind the curtain or in the hotel lobbies or via phone by a assistant to the producer or more. Again, I like when Tavis explains it because it lets it be known in all truth some things that were behind the scenes that actualy could be considered the "first diss" whether it was known or not. LOL. Stuff that never gets out in how it was handled. So he puts it out there. So what? He harped on it more than once. OK, granted, but I never took it as his intention was to in an evil way - intended arrow directed at Obama. Obviouslly he was upset he didnt show. We human. OK what else? Life goes on. They were friends way before this and I'm sure they will continue to be later on. If not, oh well! LOL! Life still keeps chuggin.
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TMan
Comment: ladybyrd, i hear what u sayin but come on and be real. LOL. As Eric B & Rakim used to say "check the technique". We all see what he skips. LOL! I mean come on, sis. LOL! i hear you. The larger plan on the bigger states, ok cool, game plan, but come on we see what goin on by now. LOL! "avoid" "avoid again" "avoid some more" "Avoid one mo gin!" LOL! Gotcha brotha. ;)
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MsBlake
Comment: lol@ladybyrd. Catch me when I get elected. lol. Okay if Obama did not publicly celebrate MLK day, have several black folks in senior roles as part of his campaign, bring up racial issues during victory speeches, speak at a several predominantly black events includng the NAACP, agree to a debate at Howard University hosted by Tavis, turn his explanation of his affiliation with rev wright into a race speech which could have been political suicide, speak to MLK's children the day of MLK's memorial & give a speech, then yes, if he hadn't had done all that, only then will I say Obama is trying not too appear 'too black'. He's only human and he can't please everyone.
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Calidee
Comment: I don't get it.
Why does Tavis lose his Black card because he criticizes Obama or supports Hillary?
Can't Black people agree to disagree?
Doesn't Tavis' history count for anything?
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DEEofVA
Comment: %*$! Tavis! Yes, %*$! Tavis! The problem I have with him is not his criticism or critique (however you choose to characterize it) of Senator Obama, but his lack of balance. His criticism/critique has been singularly focused on Senator Obama. As the Cliton's race-baiting grew more overt and egregious, Tavis' silence grew more deafening. He even dismissed coverage of their antics as distractions. To a so-called race man, racism is a distraction? Case in point, he expressed outraged at the media's lynching of Reverend Wright, but said NOTHING about Hillary Clinton labeling the Reverend's sermons HATE SPEECH. Yes, HATE SPEECH. Those were her words. She went on to compare him to Don Imus. That demanded a verbal %*$ whupin' from Tavis, but he said NOTHING!
By demanding that we hold Senator Obama to a higher standard than his white peers, Clinton and McCain, he was perpetuating white supremacy. It's bad enough that were are expected to perform twice as well as a our white peers to get half the respect, but when one of our own expects this, it's hurtful.
Tavis' weekly beat down of Obama began more and more to resemble a display in clinical obsession.
Get some help, Tavis!
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Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: Well I guess the black folks who have complained for years that Oprah wasn't "black enough" and only catered to her audience- mainly white women- can shut the hell up now.
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MsBlake
Comment: DeeofVa homerun!!!
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McNasty
Comment: *I just heard the resounding solid whack of a bat striking a ball out of the park* On point DEEofVA!
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gingerg
Comment: Why do we have to choose? Why can't we have a Malcolm/Martin, Obama/Tavis and so forth?
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TMan
Comment: ladybyrd, I guess what I am saying is when Barack said in his race speech particularly to white americans, "It requires all Americans to realize that your dreams do not have to come at the expense of my dreams", That was a great line - This situation reminds me of exactly that. Its almost like that is what is happening on another level between us and him because of how the game works he cant be seen publically going to any or actually supporting black events in fear of how it would look to the general population he is still tryign to sway, so "no association" is his order for the day daily with us. What I am saying is its a shame that his dreams of being prez in a way are actually coming at the expense of our dreams in a way because in all this meantime he cant be seen with us. Is that wild or what?
So in a way our dreams are coming at the expense of his? Is that fair? Not because he wants it that wat but becuz of the grander way this politcal game plays out in white america based on what - their fear - not ours. So it shows we still arent where we should be even though its a great line that applies 100%.
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TMan
Comment: So in other words because we have to understand that "their dreams do not have to come at the expense of our dreams" - since many have not gotten over that to the point that he can be seen with us and will not be interpreted as a black thing goin on - lol - he has to distance himself its not cuz of us - its cuz of them. ;) Unfortunate, eh? It also amazes me that we have to be the ones to explain race to the world when all this stuff was done to us by them in the first place! LOL. Dig it - we have to explain what they started! LOL! Dang! Wild but he did a great job at it.
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iclaudius
Comment: DEEofVA... that was brilliant!
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MsBlake
Comment: TMan its just two events, should we not give him credit for attending all the others?
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TMan
Comment: I meant to say "they" have to understand, not "we" about their dreams not having to come at the expense of ours. ;)
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TMan
Comment: MsBlake, doh! Of course. This forum is so limiting its hard to convey opinions on it so peeps can get what peeps are saying. lol. He gotta do what he gotta do. I'm putting this on the politcal game not him. Lets be clear. It shows he knows the game. the sad reality. it's not on him - its the game and perceptions so he gotta skip. skip. skip.
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MsBlake
Comment: Tman now that you've explained properly I get it now.
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TMan
Comment: All Im saying is in an ideal world Barack would not have to skip anything when it comes to us his own people. He could do all his other states, functions, big states, small states, speak to all the multiracial crowds, come see us, speak to us, keep going and it would all be good. But because we still live in a world of fearful perceptions, he is forced to skip us more than he should have too. That is all I am saying I dont like. The distance he is forced to put in between himself and black people - not cuz it isn't the right thing to do but based on what he may lose if he does. That is the sad reality Iam talkin bout. In another reality he wouldnt have to give it a second thought. He could just go and go for it all day long with us and keep movin. LOL>.
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TMan
Comment: MsBlake, cool! ;)
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MsBlake
Comment: I totally agree, that is very true.
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Calidee
Comment: >>TMan
You are making some good points.
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musbdherbs
Comment: TMAn..Agreed. Another point to offer though. Who are the black leaders that participate in those events? Who are the black people that attend them? Is it the same ones who attend the Million's March? More than likely. I've attended the MMM's but had no interest in attending the SOTBU. I personally know more black people who didn't attend the MMM than those who did. Hell I'm in DC where it's been held..lol
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Taurusingr
Comment: Some (those still trippin & being racist) have a strange way of not seeing the truth! Whether it be Sillary's stupidity, clearly lying (not mis-speaking!!!) about that damn Bosnia trip,or the stupid monkey in the White House now!(sorry monkeys,I know yall don't want him either!! lol!!) On FOX NEWS last night, there was a story Bill O'YT had about these three dudes forming a new company! They were accused of trying to buy america, & that they were basically crooked & scum!! Now they said this about these cats, but has never said anything like that about anyone in the current administration included Karl Rove, a dude they have HIRED! (oh, I forgot to mention, these dudes are starting a company that is said is going to attack Mc Cain!,so that's why they are labeled bad???) Hmmmmm?? I'm starting to think that some white people are racist,other's allow the racist behavior of the others & some are really "F'k UP & they honestly suffer from some sort of "symdrome" that unconsciously doesn't allow them to see & hear the truth when it's negative & about them!!! I know a lot are aware of their actions...but this kind of denial is a psycological malfunction I really don't think they're aware of!!!! Evil is one thing & is a fact of some!!! But these other mo fo's are sick & that's a fact too!!! One!!
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Taurusingr
Comment: Tman: Go'n & put the truth out there!!!! That shyt was on point!!! And watch, some are not going to recognize/understand this & call him a "tom" or some shyt when he does get in there & doesn't declare a day as..."National Soul Train Day"!! As if Sillary would've done more!! I wish/hope our people...WTF UP soon!!!!
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Taurusingr
Comment: DeeofVA: That's what house "N" do!! Their job is to work for & protect...MASSA!! Damn shame & Punkass!! This "N" is the replacement for Armstrong Williams aaaaaaaand Larry Elder!
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OSUN
Comment: Tavis Smiley Quits the TJMS
Date: Friday, April 11, 2008
By: Tom Joyner
Well, you did it. This isnt the way you wanted it to happen, but it happened anyway. Just like I knew it would.
I got a call from Tavis on yesterday. And he told me he was quitting the show. He told me the reason was that he was tired and has a lot of things going on, and he feels that now is a good time to leave the show.
We all know that isnt the real reason hes leaving the show. The real reason is that he cant take the hate hes been getting regarding the Barack issue hate from the black people that he loves so much. He needed to feel the love. We all do, whether its from our radio audience or from people we know personally. He wasnt feeling any love, so he quit.
A while back, he told us that I dont speak for him. But this morning, since he isnt here to speak for himself, I think its my job as a colleague and a friend. And maybe this time, youll really listen to me.
Tavis truly loves black people. I tried to tell you that. The hate hes been getting hurts. Hell never admit that, but its true.
And heres something you may not want to admit: Black people need Tavis. You may not agree with what he has said, but he said it because he has love for black people. Ill admit that sometimes listening to him was like trying to figure out the DaVinci Codes. Ill also admit that I wanted Tavis to show a little more love to Barack Obama, and I was frustrated over his failure to do so. But what Tavis was saying made us think. It had us talking, it had us listening to a different point of view, and it was damn good radio. Tavis on the radio not saying everything that we want him to say is a lot better than not having Tavis on the radio at all. The Tom Joyner Morning Show without Tavis gives our listeners one less reason to tune in, and in case you dont know, all of us in radio -- and in black radio especially -- are in a battle for our lives. We need good, controversial, compelling radio, and Tavis brought that.
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OSUN
Comment: When Tavis put the first Covenant book together, he was on a mission to hold whoever led this nation accountable to black people and to things that were critical to us. At the time, he had no idea that Barack Obama was going to run for president. His goal was for EVERY presidential candidate to answer to every covenant in the book during this campaign. He has said all along that he is holding Barack and all candidates accountable. Dr. King would have done the same thing.
When asked what Dr. King would want him to do on this campaign, Barack has said Dr. King would want him to address the issues. Thats all Tavis was asking of him, and I think Dr. King would have been proud of Tavis.
But because Tavis has not come out and said, I am for Barack Obama, everybody has started hating on him and threatening him and clowning him, and he cant take it. Those of us who know him well know that. If you read his autobiography, What I Know for Sure, you know that no matter how deep his love is, if he feels that hes right or that youre wrong, he doesnt back down. When his mom made him step down from being class president because his grades were slipping, he didnt speak to her for two years. His own mama, a single parent of eight! He lived in her house, ate her food while he sat at her table and didnt say a word to her for two years. All because he didnt feel the love that his mom was trying to give him.
Tavis said the things he said about Barack because he wants the black people that he loves so much to think -- but to most of you, it sounded like hate, and it sounded like that to me too. Love or hate, real or perceived, none of it matters now. What matters is that Tavis wants to quit the TJMS -- and thats real.
I want you to call him, e-mail him, text him, hug him, kiss him, get him in a corner and wrestle him and tell him how much you love him and appreciate his love for black people. Everyone needs that sometimes. And Tavis needs it right now.
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fanteeking
Comment: OSUN, I respect you tremendously as a Black journalist who loves Tavis UN-conditionally, BUT from my emotive, visceral gut, I envisioned a egomaniacal personality who had become comfortable with the title as the "Young, Black, Intellectual Turk of North America" 21st Century Black WEB DuBois". He had become so self-absorbed with his "earth-shaking" appelation that he dared ANYBODY to tread in his water. When Barack Obama came to the fore and was un-questionable and un-assumedly BRILLIANT and started to receive "Rave Reviews" from Americans of all shapes, sizes and colors then Smiley became green with envy! It's similar to the 5th grade, classroom beauty queen who has grown accustomed to the amorous gazes of the boys and then discovers that an even more BEAUTIFUL young girl enters the classroom at midterm. You can spin this Tavis Smiley story as you like, but "I ain't no rocket scientist and know the color "GREEN" when I see it". OSHUN, again with all due respects, my brilliant brother.
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MelodyCool
Comment: OSUN---->"Tavis said the things he said about Barack because he wants the black people that he loves so much to think -- but to most of you, it sounded like hate, and it sounded like that to me too."<----- I totally agree with you. Now folks are starting to see how arrogant Barack Obama is and how he's taking his core constituents for granted. He by-passed the MLK event in Memphis because he's so touchy about losing white support, but to he11 with his black supporters. Folks thought nothing of what he did to Tavis now we have another incident on our hands. Obama ain't doing nothing for black folks and people will find it out only when it's too late.
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fanteeking
Comment: OSHUN, another thing. It's VERY difficult to love and embrace someone who is Black and is UNDERMINING our progress as an African people. We were brought here in chains and suffered unspeakable pain and humiliation for 400 years and NOW we can put a BLACK MAN in the BLACK HOUSE. Why shouldn't we question the motives of Tavis when he berates and attacks Obama after every breath. I question the Ashanti tribesman who directed the Portuguese to my Fantee village at Cape Coast, 300 years ago. Why shouldn't I question Smiley?
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1st2worst
Comment: I thought this was about Oprah, but since we're talkin' about Obama, my wife and I had this discussion about him not going to Memphis on the anniverary of MLK death. Now mind you, she's not an Obama fan, so she felt the need to bring up the fact that he didn't go, and how it's hard for her to support him. I said to her, first it took yt America 40 years to even understand the significance. Clinton, and McCain were only there to do what yt folks always do when they need something from us. They try to appear sympathetic and understanding. The fact is, they don't understand who and what we are and I don't expect that they ever will. Being in Memphis ment nothing, I wasn't there, were you? We still understand the significance of the day, and we can discuss it anywhere. There was nothing that McCain or Clinton said in Memphis, that could not have been said anywhere else. Obama chose to speak his words someplace else. He didn't need to be in Memphis. He was going to be a black man talking about MLK, just like the rest of us.
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fanteeking
Comment: MelodyCool: Can you quantify the progress that has been made by Tavis' SOBA conferences? Obama has to play the same political games that massa has played since we got off those slave ships. He may have had to skip the MLK event to solidify his white support. Would you rather if he had attended it and lost white support and the Nov. election or not been there a be the next president of the United States. It's politics and its all local!!
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Quanli
Comment: There will always be some who would rather "stay true to the struggle" (whatever that is supposed to mean) than think strategically and move FOWARD. Tavis' brand of reason will only get us so far. We attend, we read, we listen but how do we measure the progress? I have said this before and I will continue to say it: we can only expect tangible change when we become the people who make the rules. Oprah is a fabulous example. Yet in all these years she has been criticized for not being "black enough". She is black enough to stick to her guns and POWERFUL enough not to lose a thing on account of it. A one track mind can only bear limitation. You have to know when to put your fist up and when to shut up.
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ChiDiva9
Comment: Hey Ya'll please listen to Roland on WVON in Chicago. He has is OWN talk show. I don't want to hear snippets of my favorite radio host. I want my three hours of All Roland All the time. I can see where you are coming from - let him have his own syndicated show or something. You can stream him live from wvon.com between 6 and 9 am central. Travis should know that you reap what you sow and Ms. O is paid and will continue to be that. Those good white folks that she hired will still want to work for the billion dollar woman. This too shall pass.
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OSUN
Comment: Hey I hope someone gets to read this. I just posted the story. I gave no feedback of my own. I actually am not a fan of Tavis and that began way before this Obama incident. I just posted it b/c the thread was bombarded with comments concerning this. One thing one should take from this is that we need to learn to read more carefully before we comment.
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mamamay
Comment: This appears to be an Oprah/tavis talk off, instead of Oprah losing fans because/since she supports Obama. I do not believe it matters here, because Ophra certainly gained a lot of MO after supporting this man Dr Phil. I agree with a reader who says we need to learn how to read before we start to comment. Hillary's digs Obama are coming via Oprah's show. Poll are designed like stats to agree with the designer. Please don't give up on Obama. He's some body's son: who is qualified to be Pres,who is smart and intelligent, who is for the AM people. Obama is ready, Prepared and has earned the right to be Pres,who just happens to looks like mixed people of color. This is is scary to folks who have not seen or heard of him, this is not about Ophrah, nor Tavis. We need to stop Hils drama and vote Obama in 08
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