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blaquebaby
Comment: AWW tear tear you got me Tom, I luv you Tavis! You are a great man who put real issues out there that African American need to address! I wish you all the best, I shall miss on the show.
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JFromMO
Comment: I love Tom Joyner, but I don't think that he should have put Tavis out there like that especially since what he believes is Tavis' reason for leaving the show is speculation. However, I believe that he left for the reasons TJ mentioned. I used to love Tavis, too but now not so much. And not because he doesn't support BO, but because of the way he is acting. He is being such a baby! It seems as if he doesn't get his way or people don't agree with him, then to hell with them. He even did it to his own mama! Ain' no way in h-e-double hockey sticks you gon' be sittin' up in my house, eating my food, drinking my water, paying no bills and be so disrespectful that you not speak to me for TWO years! What kind of crazy mess is that? He shuda got his arse beat then. Maybe he wouldn't be such a punk now. I agree with whoever said last week that journalism is not the right field for him if he can't take people not agreeing with him or people dishing out a little hate. If that's the case, I think it's time to change professions.
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professo285
Comment: Give Tavis love for what? Tom acts like Tavis is the only one who can deliver intellectual but intelligent commentary on the radio. The man quit so move on. He’ll probably be on somebody else’s show soon anyways.
Here is the real problem with black radio. Because large corporations have taken over, black radio does not give the young fresh out of college people who have a passion for the broadcasting business a chance. It’s their own fault!!!!
After a while, everything gets old and Tavis’s segment on Tom Joyner’s show is another example of that. So again, move on and I suggest sending Tavis a letter saying “Glad you’re gone!”
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Taurusingr
Comment: I ain't giving that "N" or apologizing for........sheeeeeeeeaaattttt!! "Fk!" Tavis the Tom"!!!
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professo285
Comment: Tom still cant get over it. Jay Anthony Brown is putting the man in check live on his own show. Very funny!!!! Jay is right Tom. Move on before listners move on too because of this dead issue with Tavis Smiley.
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MsBlake
Comment: When the Tavis news broke early friday I wasn't sure if it was a rumour cos it hadn't reached the news outlets yet so I sought verification from folks in the Oprah thread. We discussed it at length and many good points were raised. One post stood out n' pretty much explained the real reasons black folks are upset with tavis (its not just the criticism). The post can only be described as a homerun, it was so on point, that after reading it I logged off and went back to work cos there was simply nothin else to add.lol I will re-post it shortly.
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Selah
Comment: prof- Jay suprised me this morning. I thought he was good for a few laughs, but he put Tom in check this morning didn't he?
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MsBlake
Comment: I can't speak for anyone else but this is the post from Friday's Oprah thread that basically explained how alot of black folks view the Tavis situation ------------
Name: DEEofVA
Comment: %*$! Tavis! Yes, %*$! Tavis! The problem I have with him is not his criticism or critique (however you choose to characterize it) of Senator Obama, but his lack of balance. His criticism/critique has been singularly focused on Senator Obama. As the Cliton's race-baiting grew more overt and egregious, Tavis' silence grew more deafening. He even dismissed coverage of their antics as distractions. To a so-called race man, racism is a distraction? Case in point, he expressed outraged at the media's lynching of Reverend Wright, but said NOTHING about Hillary Clinton labeling the Reverend's sermons HATE SPEECH. Yes, HATE SPEECH. Those were her words. She went on to compare him to Don Imus. That demanded a verbal %*$ whupin' from Tavis, but he said NOTHING! By demanding that we hold Senator Obama to a higher standard than his white peers, Clinton and McCain, he was perpetuating white supremacy. It's bad enough that were are expected to perform twice as well as a our white peers to get half the respect, but when one of our own expects this, it's hurtful. Tavis' weekly beat down of Obama began more and more to resemble a display in clinical obsession. Get some help, Tavis!
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fanteeking
Comment: Now, ain't that a beeoyyetch!! Tom you gotta be kiddin'. We, Africans, have endured centuries of enslavement, rape, murder, Jim Crow & discriminations for all these years in the wilds of north Amerikkka and now we have the chance for one of our SONS OF AFRICA to be the PRESIDENT and this envious, back-stabbing, deceitfull, HillaryClintoonish-esque Smiley wants to sell us across the ocean. Tavis should be begging on bended knees to Africa-America for directing the slavemongers to our village. The only love he should be receiving should be from BILLIARY, JOHN MCCAIN AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!!! What a CLARENCE TOM-AZZ!!!
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MsBlake
Comment: As I have said many times before, Tavis is a successful brotha, a great role model and has done a number of good things for the black community, including believe it or not through the state of the black Union conferences. Tom Joyner is clearly upset with tavis for quitting and has put him on blast. He's done it in a way that is........well......somewhat embarassing. Personally seeing that Tom n' Tavis have been friends for many years I think he should have at least allowed Tavis to leave with some dignity cos while Tom showers some praise on Tavis he also denigrates him in a way. If Tavis can blank his own mother i don't see him n' Tom being friends anymore. I really hope this blows over soon.
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MsBlake
Comment: Hey Fanteeking, u know what, come to think of it, Tom's plea to black folks to show Tavis love sounds pretty sarcastic. It appears he is telling us to stroke Tavis' ego so he can feel good. Tom's open letter is both praising and insulting Tavis at the same time. Thats probably why Jay had to check Tom.
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fanteeking
Comment: MsBlake: You probably right. This morning I'll be heading toward Fort Wayne and will stop in Kokomo and Peru, IN to pick up the newspapers. I wonder what type of spin this controversy is getting in his hometown. I used to be soooo proud of Tavis for his intellectualism and resolve to carve out a better Africa-America, but now all that pride dun' went down the sewer. (Sound of toilet flushing) I'll keep ya posted.
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yardi76
Comment: I can't just read this one and let it pass as I do many other articles. I have followed Tavis since he wrote a book a long time ago called "Hard Left" and for the first time Tavis really disappointed me. I was truly impressed when he warned the country (Black America) to be careful and to judge BO on his merit and not just fall for him because he is black. But the thing that threw me is he never stopped with the warnings and the subliminal disses. Tavis is very critical of BO but has not used this same broad brush in painting HC or JM. So when people look at Tavis as a hater they can't be blamed. Lets just keep it real for a long time Tavis has been the "voice" of Black people because he has various media outlets at his disposal, if you will he has been viewed as "the smartest negro on the block" in a few months he has simply been forgotten because he is no longer that. The title goes to BO and I don't think he can handle that. He felt snubbed at his state of the black union when BO did not come, instead he went to campaign in a state he needed to win (and he did win BARELY). Then at the state of the black union HC shows up, takes no questions, reads a prepared statement and then sits with Tavis only, shrugs off hard questions and then gets the free camera time. Tavis is obviously in the pocket of the Clintons as various media outlets have spoke of and that is his right, but he has no right to just diss BO because he can't compete with him, it shows hate and it makes Tavis look remarkably petty. What he needs to understand is that BO is running for the Presidancy of the Unites States, not the Presidancy of Black America...we will let Tavis run for that.
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huey
Comment: im not sure if any of you were listening to the tjms this morning but tom and jay got into it on-air. jay was cross talking tom about tavis' departure, tom was upset and jay kept laying into tom about moving on past tavis. well tom got %*$!ed and told jay to shut up. jay came back with "why do i have to shut up?" tom says "ok, dont shut up, i will just shut your mic off" at which time jay says "for what"...with it ending with tom saying, "well just go home!",.... notice jay is not there anymore...did yall miss this?
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ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: Are you kidding me? People resign from jobs/careers everyday!!!! What is so different about this? If the man CHOOSES to end his contract, he should be able to do so without repercussion or retaliation. And as an employer, Tom should afford him that right w/o consequence or haras.sment. Tom's behavior is infantile at best. Be a big boy now Tom, advertise the position, and hire someone to replace the job vacancy. That's what most employers do when they are short staffed!! Good grief Charlie Brown! Do you Tavis....move on & good luck!
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GHank
Comment: I don't get the TJMS where I live. Wow, this is deep. But from the people who listen to Tavis has been telling me that Tavis is mostly about self-ego. I just thought that he would be stonger than that. Hell, Obama supporters always get on me because I like Hillary, but damn, I just shake that shyt off and keep it moving. Trust me, ain't no one going to kick my azz for liking Hillary or Edwards or whoever. But from his autobiography, did he really not talk to his mother for 2 years because she made him step down as class president? I think that was a bit embelished (I won't say outright lie). In all, Tavis, if you going bash Obama, then you have to give legit reasons why. Not excepting in invitation to your conference is really not a reason bash someone.
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TGen
Comment: Huey, I caught it. AWKWARD is the best word I can use to describe that scene, lol. I agree with those who say Tom's behavior in this was inappropriate, even immature. And it feeds into Tavis already inflated ego, so it's counterproductive. The reality is Black America is packed with intelligent, articultate minds, and goes way past Tavis or even Obama for that matter. In that vein, I wish Tom had done as I mentioned a while back and before it got to this point, brought in another, dissenting voice to combat Tavis' hate (and make no mistake, that's exactly what it was), but alas, he didn't. Pre-Obama Tavis will be missed, but as some have stated, life goes on. He'll be alright...and so will Black America without him "leading" every step of the way, lol. Po thang...
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huey
Comment: i question any man or woman for that matter who decideds not to speak to the person that gave birth to them for matters so trivial....there most have been deeper underlying issues...
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PlanetRock
Comment: Tavis put his comments out there and to a certain extent I agree with them (Barack not attending the State Of the Black Union and not attending the MLK Memorial program in Memphis). Yet, Tavis has to "man up" and accept everything he said and deal with the criticism. You can't have it both ways, but Tom Joyner knows that he doesn't need to lose any more listeners to Steve Harvey because of Tavis. Yet, what I find troubling is that while Barack is attempting to unite the country, our black community has imploded. At this point if you're not 100% on everything Barack says or does, then you're pounced on. We should be able to vote for whomever we want and voice our support for whatever candidate we want without the constant backlash. Agree with Tavis or not is no longer the issue IMO, at least he represented flexible thinking. Our black community has fallen into the trap of monolithic thinking and that can potentially be dangerous for us.
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MDhornet
Comment: Po Tavis. Let's have a moment of silence in rembrance of what he was. 1,2, 3. Now move on. For the record Planet, Tavis hasn't received all this negative attention because he didn't support Obama. If he'd just said he supported Hilary, it would have been fine. Tavis went out of his way to cast doubt on Obama at every turn. He cried foul because Obama didn't attend his totally useless SOTBU. That mess hasn't solved any problems in the black community. He questioned Obama's motives at every turn. As the other posters said, that would have been fine if his critiques had been evenly distributed to the other candidates. As Tavis dissappointed us all with his handling of the first black candidate for the white house with a real chance at winning. He can go cry in a corner somewhere. I don't feel sorry for him.
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TheBrownOne
Comment: I'm glad people are seeing this for what it is. This, like much of life, is really more about the color Green than it is about black and white. Tom should have called Tavis' %*$ out. Pretty of intellects out there. Tavis owes Tom for the media machine to reach people, not the other way around so in that regard, Tom fathered aspects of Tavis's popularity. Tavis is arrogant and over-rated at best. The post below is what I posted to Najee Ali's article when the topic of TAvis using Wal-mart to support his events with their non-union low wage antics and STate FARm who turned down blacks claims in New Orleans yet Tavis isn't that vocally opposed to using their money. Big Pimpin at it's finest. AGain post below is in response to that.
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TheBrownOne
Comment: AMEN. Thanks for pointing out the Wal-Mart and AllState Insurance points that many have overlooked. I have also said in response to the ill advised whining he did about Obama not attending his conference on the STate of The Black Union, that I can't think of anything more important for the STate of the Black Union than to have a black man at the head of the Union. Duhhh. All of those big mouth, talk a lot, camera hogs should have cancelled that DAMN conference and picked up a change poster and hit the streets if you want my opinion. Further, Tavis is making it clear that his efforts are self-serving for the most part. He, like many, has gotten into the business of pimping our business. SAD SAD. Sounding like Reverend IKE used to sound hoodwinking my grandma into buying that prayer cloth under the guise of him caring so deeply for her soul. This spade is definitely a SPADE. Tavis, quit while you are ahead, you're LOSING. Is the position Hillary promised you and her company Wal-Mart's money really worth losing your base and lucrative career over. When those 90% voting for Barack stop listening to you, why would those companies pay you or Hillary need you. Guess you have more loyalty for her than the 90% of the base you are supposedly fighting for. Reminds me of that Cosby joke when the kid puts his hand in the cookie jar and then when caught, he says, I was getting this for you, Daddy. Well, the mothers and fathers of our race have stopped listening and there are plenty other flagrant, loud mouthed, know it all Negros out there that are hungry for a microphone. Think on it and REPENT.
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professo285
Comment: PlanetRock makes a good point but the key to good radio programming is a balanced view on the issue and this is what was missing from Tavis’s segment when he was dissing Obama.
It would have been more interesting even if Tom himself had called Tavis to the carpet on some of the stuff that he laid down. As I said last week, why should Obama drop what he is attempting to do to Kadar to something that would not help him at all? Going to the “State of The Black Union” or to Tennessee would not have done anything for Obama. Of Course Clinton and Mccain would come because they are desperately trying to win the black vote.
Tavis will be on air until the end of June. Personally, I will make sure that I’m not listening. Also, does anyone hear the distraction in Tom’s voice this morning since Jay is not there? He does not sound the same and he and Cibble sound as if they are having a hard time covering.
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Name:
McNasty
Comment: Don't be surprised, if it is ever publicized, that Tavis has come out in support of Sillary Clinton. I still believe that Tavis has a job to do in the black community - he is still a voice and I hope he continues. The man just couldn't be objective when it came to Obama and he or no one else has a right to hold anyone accountable for anything. It's not like most of us hadn't done the necessary research on Obama and if there are folks supporting him strictly on emotion - so what!
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JGGIRL
Comment: Tavis, I have two words for you - Star Jones. When you get black people off your side, you are over.
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...Sh1t, I was gonna go into this long azzed post 'bout this issue but PlanetRock stated my feelings perfectly..."Can't a brotha have a different opinion without gitting kilt?...I'm a supporter of Senator Obamas but he does not appeal to everybody....Yo, if you step back and really look at all the candidates, emotions aside...Who would you choose?
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Luke_Cage
Comment: Aahhh McNasty, there goes a voice of reason. I'm right here >< wit'cha. (Sillary Clinton?-lol) And MsBlake: In total agreement with you on your last 2 comments: As I have said many times before, Tavis is a successful brotha, a great role model and has done a number of good things for the black community, including believe it or not through the state of the black Union conferences. Tom Joyner is clearly upset with tavis for quitting and has put him on blast. He's done it in a way that is........well......somewhat embarassing. Personally seeing that Tom n' Tavis have been friends for many years I think he should have at least allowed Tavis to leave with some dignity cos while Tom showers some praise on Tavis he also denigrates him in a way. If Tavis can blank his own mother i don't see him n' Tom being friends anymore. I really hope this blows over soon.
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Name: MsBlake Comment: Hey Fanteeking, u know what, come to think of it, Tom's plea to black folks to show Tavis love sounds pretty sarcastic. It appears he is telling us to stroke Tavis' ego so he can feel good. Tom's open letter is both praising and insulting Tavis at the same time. Thats probably why Jay had to check Tom.
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yunvme
Comment: I think its sickening how some black folks are treating other black folks, good black folks, in their quest to lick obamas nuts. Its sickening because 95% of black women (my statistic)wouldn't support one thing Obama stands for if he were married to a white woman. I will not sit here and lie and claim to have read Tavis's book, but from what I have heard from others- is that he explains exactly why he had a problem with his mother. But nooooo, you'd rather use half truths and ignorance to further dog Tavis. Like I've stated before, I voted for Obama in the primaries and will vote for him in the general election, so dont be comin at me with no bullsh*t. Tavis is a good man and has done good things. Does he have issues? Do YOU have issues? Who doesnt have issues? Is that a reason to discredit this man for all the good work he has done?
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huey
Comment: interesting saturday: i wore my "bed-rock (obama for yall illiterate folk lol" tee shirt out and about in the community saturday and was pleasently surprised by the abundance of luv that was shown to me on both sides of the fence, white and black alike, as i walked the streets. what was interesting and coiencidental was the two diffent sets of white senior citizens in two different locations who both pointed at my tee-shirt and gave me a "thumbs up". i said to myself, isnt that something else.
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MDhornet
Comment: It's not about a difference of opinion. It's about how that difference is expressed. Tavis's difference of opinion came across as a deliberate attempt to sway black voters away from Hilary I'll-say-or-do-anything-to-get-your-vote Clinton. He could have just said he supported HRC and been done. He killed himself with his Barack bashing. For the record, if I step back and take away the emotion, BO gets my vote everytime. In fact, if Repubs and Dems alike took a step back from the emotion and the politics of it all, BO would get the vote. HRC cannot be trusted. It has become clear that she will do and say whatever it takes to get into the White House. She continues to talk about her experience, but she has no more experience that Barack when it comes to leading a nation. The are equal in that respect. She presents herself as the candidate with the experience to handle another attack like 9/11, but what experience does she have with that? Does being First Lady qualify? When has she had to make a decision regarding national security? Just this past week, Barack makes a comment about some voters being bitter and she jumps on it and deliberately misinterprets it. Anyone with some common sense would have understood his comment even before he clarified it and would have known what he was saying was 100% true. She's playing politics as usual. No point in even mentioning McCain. How anyone can even consider a candidate with absolutely no financial savvy is beyond me. McCain is the second coming of the shrub. The only thing he seems to have to offer is his military record and when folks are losing their homes, jobs, livelihoods left and right, who gives a sh!t about that?
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pdub
Comment: <---- planetrock: What you said really made sense to me. Personally I think it is right to do some research and observation before jumping on the bandwagon. Discussion and questioning are what brings about real understanding, in my opinion. We all know what can happen if we just drink the Kool-Aid. So Tavis had a good point in the beginning about putting blind faith in Obama simply because he's black. What tripped Tavis up was then turning the criticism in a self-serving manner. I am kind of sorry to see him leave the TJMS but if he is going to use his time as a pulpit for his own crusades, then maybe it's best he leave.
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TGen
Comment: "95% of black women (my statistic)wouldn't support one thing Obama stands for if he were married to a white woman." LOL What in the WORLD does that mean? And what does that have to do with BO's stance on issues? Talk about skewing the story. Wow...
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yelleyw
Comment: Tavis is a big azz cry baby.I don’t understand why people want Barack to speak directly to the African American community. What country are you living in? That for sure would not get him the democratic nomination let alone the general election. None of the other canidates have said what they will specifically do for the AA comunity so why must he say what he is going to do right this moment, you see how people acted behind the Rev. Wright issue just imagine what they will say about Barack if he came across as the “black canidate”
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bigchassie
Comment: yeah, i also heard the craziness between Tom and Jay. i agree with Jay. Tavis is gone. GOOD RIDDANCE! TOM JOYNER.....GET OVER IT!! shall we light a menorah and sing "coomb-by-ah" for the man? geez! Tavis got on my nerves anyway. and if Tom Keeps on he gonna get on my nerves too. i noticed Syibl wasn't saying much on this either.
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yunvme
Comment: TGen you know EXACTLY what that means.
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bigchassie
Comment: HUEY>right on for you sweetie. i bet it was a lovely tee shirt.
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Name:
RSmi
Comment: For those of you who have mentioned the situation regarding Tavis not speaking to his mother for two years you should READ HIS BOOK and you will have a better understanding of why he did this. Also who cares it happened when he was a teenager (how many of us had issues with our parents in our teen years???) and he adores his mother now and tells everybody every opportunity he can. TAVIS THE TJMS GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD BY MILLIONS. YOU SHOULD RECONSIDER YOUR DECISION YOUR VOICE IS NEEDED.
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PRDC
Comment: I guess Tavis was thinking....wow white people love me so well, maybe I'll run andbe the first black president...no I'm joking. We have always had people like Tavis in the past that would tell white people everything we are trying to do. I'm glad he's off, and their are many people out here that can take his place.....More power to you...
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musbdherbs
Comment: The backlash against Tavis is no different than the backlash women groups such as Emily's List and NOW have instigated re: Hillary. It is no different than evangelicals who initially came out against Guiliani...then McCain. It is no different sentiment than anti-abortion groups have against pro-choice candidates. All of these groups are pazzionate about their choice candidate and respond in kind. This is not just about differing opinions. It is also the suggestion and acceptance that there is one person (in this case Tavis) who speaks for black america. Obama speaks for black america. Wright speaks for black america. Al speaks for black america etc. By contrast, Geraldine/Hillary/Bill/Imus/Hannity all speak for themselves. Tavis has an opinion that is not shared by many of the same people he "represents."
Tom has done Tavis no favors by bringing up the incident in his book. It wasn't just because of being taken off the debate team. I think it was something about how he was devoting his time to school and not church. He was also called out by the pastor about some'n he didn't do which publicly embarassed the family and he was beaten behind it. I may be confusing issues but it was some'n like dat. For those who read it, remember his grandma scolded him about "talking over his peers" by feeling as if his use of language was superior to others. Remember that? Sounds familiar?
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sonnyd
Comment: Excuse me while I have a tame DCGG moment...Boo f'in hoo. Next.
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: I don't know if some of Tom's comments on this subject was on the actual show, but in the rebroadcast they put on the BAW website, Tom made a call out to Huggy Lowdown to make Tavis the Bama of the week for quitting, which Huggy later did. As soon as Tom said that, Sybil even said "oh Tom" in a "how could you say that?" manner.Tom said "well, may as well". Then later on he say he needs Tavis back. Why is this a big deal, especially over 8-10 minutes of a show every Tuesday and Thursday? Tom could use Roland Martin for this segment, who filled in for Tavis before, and he already does commentary on TVOne.
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musbdherbs
Comment: I should add that Tavis' treatment is no different than how we treat black republicans. They have opinions that differ from our own and are called everything but a child of God. Tavis' target audience (rightly/wrongly) didn't accept his commentary. Plain and simple. Sheila Jackson-Lee was booed in Houston because they didn't accept her Hillary support. Oftentimes the lone voices end up just that way...alone. Y is Joe Lieberman the anti-christ in democratic circles? Because his party didn't support his republican-leaning support.
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CRENEEJ
Comment: i dunno TGEN, i kinda agree w/ yunvme. if BO were married to a yt woman, would he have as much support from black women? the fact is he isn't, and while i am a HRC supporter, i will not bash BO. i don't care for him and i believe that he will say and do anything to get into the yt house too... YELL... i think people expect BO to speak to black issues because he is black. personally, there's just something about him i don't trust. not that i trust HRC either, but i digress. i was actually for edwards in the beginning, and he dropped. how do yall feel about BO's private statements about the working class being bitter?
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bigchassie
Comment: SONNYD>yeah, we need a DCGG moment.
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sonnyd
Comment: Huey - I hear you on the love you get. I actually have a rally sign that is in my back window that garners a lot of love...quite a bit from Hispanics, too, surprisingly. Also, I'll one up you :) Me and the hubby took our family to Universal Studios last week in Orlando....rocking our ObamaMama and Obama '08 shirts. Of course we got some crazy looks, but we got a lot of smiles and even pounds, too :)
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huey
Comment: bigchassie---thanks, yes, it is a nice tee, i purchased a couple from his website, http://store.barackobama.com/, it is a way of making a donation and wearing your support. so for anyone interested in supporting the campaign and wants something out of the deal its the way to go.
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JGGIRL
Comment: how do yall feel about BO's private statements about the working class being bitter?...
He is completely RIGHT!
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Name:
sonnyd
Comment: Crenee - As far as his statements about the working class, I think he was 100% correct in what he said. It's historically on point. Think about indentured servants and how they treated slaves when the institution was introduced - - they finally had a group of people who were below them. Poor whites (as a whole) have traditionally been the most fervent supporters of segregation and the most adamant opponents of affirmative action. So yes, I definitely feel as if his comments were correct and that they were even down a notch from how far he could have gone with it - - but he is running for POTUS, so he can't put all of THAT out that. But that's JMO.
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huey
Comment: sonnyd---- i hear ya, awsome way to show support for your candidate. i have been canfassing for "bed-rock" for several weeks now. never done anything like this but it feels good and its quite rewarding. i think that this is a special time in politics no matter which side of the fence you are on, its all about being on one side of the fence or the other. i have never seen so many people young and old black and white and brown, so interested in the body politic and thats a good thing for everyone involved, republican, democrat, independent, green party..everyone should be excited.
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mayday
Comment: I heard the exchange between Tom and Jay this morning and Tom needs to apologize. Jay is a grown man and does not need to be told to shut up on AIR no less. Tom needs to get over the fact that Tavis has moved on. As for Tavis, I like him, he is very smart and talented and will do fine. I will not miss him on the TJMS for the many reasons mentioned above but I wish him success. Planetrock...I agree with your post but I don't feel that the black community has imploded or is thinking monolithic.....I think that the black community IS truly paying attention to the political process, critically thinking and making their own decisions. I for one was a Hillary supporter as recent as February but I now fully support Barack for many reasons. I wish Hillary the best as well but I don't wish her the White House.
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...It's kinda funny and sad...Tavis dosen't feel loved, Barak can't show too much love...Tom feels he's gonna lose the love...Blacks don't show love to Blacks who oppose Senator Obama...Blacks no longer love the Clintons.... I-I-I-I wanna be loved
Faithful and true. I wanna be loved
Ten million lifetimes with you
I wanna be loved
And after all we've been through
I'll let my heart take it's chances, just to be loved by you....
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YLawdY
Comment: Sounds like Tavis took his toys and went home
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TGen
Comment: Creenj, I grant you that part of BO's appeal is his Black wife and family, he gets many kudos for that. But I still suggest that has absolutely NOTHING to do with this story. But I digress on that point. On this: "how do yall feel about BO's private statements about the working class being bitter?" I think history has shown that a lot of low-life Klansmen type back in the day clung to religion and violence against others to make themselves feel better about their low situations in life. Should BO have said that? No, was not a smart move. (Was also not a smart move for the campaign to let the trick in that closed fundraising session, then put him on blast, as she is widely known as a BO hater, but I'm not sure how they could have stopped this *Sigh*). But I think what's even more egregious than BO's comments (which really amount to a NON-story when taken in the context of his larger point) is your girl's (you know the one you ADMITTED you don't trust but still support? Wth? lol) distortion and simple tricks. That heffa is a disgrace, plain and simple.
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Winn30344
Comment: Please don't start that Creeneej..if you're going to post what he said post it all and not just the "bitter" part as Billary and McCain has..ooops you're one of them so that's how y'all roll. He just said what a lot of people are thinking..when you're constantly ignored by the g-ment you become bitter and cling to guns, religion, etc...
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bigchassie
Comment: BOOT>I LOVE YOU!...COMMERE...GIMMIE SOME LOVE! *grabs boots head and buries him in between her breasts*
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: mmmmmph....mmmmmmmph....mmmmmmph...Chas, I can't breathe.....
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huey
Comment: bigchassie ----- do me!!! do me!!! move over boot...
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yunvme
Comment: If a white politician categorized black folks as becoming underachievers because they feel that the government never has had their best interest at heart- therefore why bother with school, etc. that politician would not be applauded for "keeping it real" or talking to us like and adult. NO. That politician would be blasted for calling/categorizing black folks as lazy. Please people...keep it real.
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bigchassie
Comment: BOOT>*Cracking up with laughter* Now why did i think you was gonna do that? oh sorry baby, didn't mean to smother you! lol! come on HUEY, you next to get some chassielove, baby! lol!
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TGen
Comment: Yunvme, I think you might have misunderstood Obama's words. If you want to liken it to a White politician (as you seem to be on this tip today), a more appropriate comparison would be: "Blacks turn to violence against each other or their religious faith because they feel hopeless with unemployment and feeling like their government doesn't care about them." Now substitute Blacks for "Whites" and "violence against each other" for "guns" and "religion." NOW you have an apt comparison. And you're wrong, if a White said that about Blacks, he would only be mirroring what A LOT of Blacks have said about the Black experience in America, esp as it relates to Black men. You seem to not give Black folks ANY credit for critical thinking. You seem to think of us as lowly as Hillary Clinton thinks of the "working class," lol, like they are incapable of objective analysis.
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musbdherbs
Comment: yunv...i've heard many characterizations over the weekend. But, what part of Obama's comments referred to people as underachievers? Also, if Hillary wasn't married to Bill, do you really think people would be voting for her? That's just an obvious point. More importantly, there are things black people can't say to/about yt people and there are things yt people can't say to/about blacks. That is keeping it real. Our desire to make things equal does not change that.
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janicel32
Comment: SO WHAT HAPPENS IF HE COMES BACK????
Will Tavis be allowed to critic folks, but callers be forbiden to say anything that might hurt Tavis' feelings?
Let him move on and watch his PBS show. Bring back Melvin's Love Line!
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musbdherbs
Comment: TGEN..."You seem to not give Black folks ANY credit for critical thinking. You seem to think of us as lowly as Hillary Clinton thinks of the "working class," lol, like they are incapable of objective analysis." Is that not the same issue we found w/Tavis or any non-obama supporters...both yt and black. "We can't think for ourselves and vote in lockstep w/others..the only objectivity re: this race (and blacks) is coming from the Clinton campaign.
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yunvme
Comment: Herbs- Hillary would be a nobody if her husband wasn't the xprez.
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CRENEEJ
Comment: WIN303....."ooops you're one of them so that's how y'all roll" I just love how u can't answer a question w/o resorting to 'insults'. your opinion of me really means nothing. we don't know each other outside of this and it's easier to hurl insults to a computer. i asked a question, plain and simple. i am one of the people who don't support BO and get a lot of hate b/c of it. let me ask u this tho... do u think that BO will get into office w/o HRC's supporters? since we both know that HE WON'T!!! then u need to keep your ignant azz comments to urself. i can only imagine what you say in person to people who don't support your candidate, but in doing that you further alienate them. BO will need all the votes he can get if he gets the nod, so keep on w/ your 'vote or die' tactics and you will push more of the HRC supporters to McCain. all i asked was what you thought of what was said. i didn't bash him. get over yourself please.... and TGen, i don't trust BO either. there's something about him i just can't ride with. i can't put my finger on what it is, or maybe i can. he reminds me of a minister who rose to power, but really didn't have the people's best interests at heart. i personally know this minister and some of his congregants and i see a lot of similarities between them. that's my personal reason, i'm sure you have your personal reasons for not supporting HRC. i know she doesn't have everyone's best interests at heart either, but i guess i can stomach her deceitfulness a little more. maybe i'm wrong to require more from BO..
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DOne
Comment: >yunvme, both black and white politicans do just that all time when arguing for more funds and programs. Anyway, this entire issue would have been avoided I believe, if Tavis had simply endorsed Hillary from the beginning instead of presenting himself as an objective oberver which he obviously was not. He basically insulted people intelligence by assuming that they could not see that he had an agenda: get Hillary elected. Personally, my take on this is different from many. I don't think Tavis is jeolous or hating on OB. I think he has a nice political appointment waiting for him if Hillary is elected. Like most he saw it as a done deal; however, when OB pulled ahead, he like many others, saw his plans going down the grain because they had committed to Hillary early on in the process.
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huey
Comment: OOOOOOOOOOO.....OOOOOOOOOO...OOOOO..WIN303 & CRENEEJ are fightinng...fight fight fight EVERYONE...FIGHT IN THE ELECTRONICALLY HALLWAY...SOMEONE GET SOME POPCORN AND A ICE CREAM STICK...FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!! LOL
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CRENEEJ
Comment: YUNVME, no hillary would be a somebody if her hubby wasn't the ex-prez, but she wouldn't have a viable shot at the yt house right now. let me ask this one, if BO were yt, would he have the overwhelming support of the black community? TGEN, great analogy. i was only asking what you all thought of what he said, i didn't issue an opinion on it one way or the other...
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Smokie1
Comment: Are we still talking about Tavis? Can we please move on to the next round of comments. Besides, Tavis needs to learn to take as good as he gives. This is crazy and there are other things going on that can garner some attention.
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yunvme
Comment: If he were all white, the answer is-no he would not have all this support from black people. Yet and still, his fans will insist its about the issues and policy.
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cookyd
Comment: I want to make sure I understand this, Tavis can call out folks about everything under the sun, but the minute the tables are turned he folds like a cheap suit.Power to the people.
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CRENEEJ
Comment: HUEY, stop instigating. there aint gonna be no cyber-fightin in the hallway today. at least not from me....DO, you might be right about that. i'd love to read/hear Mo'Kelly's opinion on this one...
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...Funny story...I was at a cook-out over the weekend and the talk went from basketball, which babe had the biggest butt to politics...The talk turned to immigration and I said I didn't like Senator Obama's response to the question...All of a sudden all eyes turned on me, every man, woman, boy and girl...It got quiet, the music stopped playing...The chick I was flirting with gave me that "N-word" look...but when I completed my thought and said I was an Obama supporter...The music came back on, folks stated partying again and having a good azz time...even the chick I was flirting with asked me what I was doing after the cook-out...I was kinda like the Visa commercial...God forbid, if I said I was supporting Mccain or Hilary...They might have smoked me...Really, they would have tossed my Blackazz on that smoker and....
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huey
Comment: CRENEEJ ----lol
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huey
Comment: B00TANEB00TUS -------hahahahahahahahahahahahaa...i can picture that hhahahaha
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musbdherbs
Comment: Crenee/Yunv...you know we can float around the hypotheticals for days. I do have one problem w/the last question of "if Obama were yt would black people vote for him?" It's an unfair attack against a people who have always, overwhelmingly voted for whoever the yt democratic candidate is. It plays into the "black voting black" attacks that have been launched against black people who support Obama. There is a documented pattern of that happening and the same benefited clinton UNTIL black folk started backing obama. Then blacks voting in blocs became a problem. There seems to be an acknowledgement that yt's can "not" vote for Obama for not appealing to "them." But, blacks can not vote for the same reasons. Both are silly propositions if you ask me.
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CRENEEJ
Comment: MUSB, i understand what you're saying, and probably should have posed the question differently, if at all. it seems very silly to me that blacks can't 'not' vote for BO w/o getting the NP look. NP=nygga please... BOOT, LMAO @ your story.
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MER82
Comment: Tavis comments aside for the moment. If all things were the same in the race to the white house right now except that B.O. was white or his wife was white, it wouldn't change a thing in regards to his support or ability to draw the masses because HillC has shown herself to be a "win at all costs" type/part of the oldschool way of doing things/-and as totally becoming un-glued. Obama has always had the same message and if he were a white man with the same message it would be even easier for him to get to the white house because white rethugs wouldn't have Rev. Wright and "black/muslim" as codes to keep the white voters away. If B.O. had a white wife, it would have taken him a lot longer to gather the support of black folk, but with his message of unity and taking back the government, you best believe it wouldn't be any different. The fact that he has a strong black family in tact just makes it all the more sweet.
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MER82
Comment: And dam MusB it must be someting in the air, I have to co-sign you once again-this whole blacks are voting for him because he is black thing is a bunch of bullshyt. If Hillary was a man, would all the women still support her? First of all its nothing wrong with supporting your own just because they look like you IF that is all you want to do. And this goes back to Tavis too, if folk are more discerning with where they place their votes than based on skin color or gender, then they can decide based on the messages they receive. So when white men vote for white men, there is no problem? Or do they get to have discriminating tastes with regard to whose policies/ideals/campaigns they prefer over the other? Why can't that be what is going on with black dem voters when it comes down to Hill and Obama?
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Stephanie
Comment: Huey, you were reading my mind. I can do that with supposed friends but my mother, grandmother. When I would get mad at my grandmother, it would eat me up alive not to hear her voice and I'd finally call after 2 days and say, I was mad at you and she'd be like so...I still love you...and that would make me laugh...that says a whole lot and probably explains why he's never been married...yardi, your post says it all in a nutshell. I just want this election to be over. It seems like we're all holding our breath to see what happens...
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TheBrownOne
Comment: Does anyone get the fact the TAVIS has been bought? Follow the money trail. Hillary on the board of Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart was his biggest sponsor. So rightfully, his pro-Hillary position is 30 pieces of silver in line with his flawed Gospel and broken covenant. Think about it.
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MER82
Comment: Creenj-you are wrong for expecting more out of Obama than white folk but that is what we do every day. This thing you mention about not being able to trust him is interesting....Black folk always got to be better than every white person on the job, we have to smile brighter and appear nicer, we have to make sure our clothes are up to par, and our bank accounts have no issues when it comes to lending-its a psychological Post Traumatic Slave Disorder thing that both black groups and whites have succumbed in this nation. Its not a fault but it is an unfair and unfortunate expectation. In this vein, Tavis was right in saying we have to treat Obama the same as any presidential candidate, we have to hold him accountable. But he shouldn't have to be held to a higher standard than che whitey, if anything whitey owes us for all the un-met expectations and empty promises of the past.
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Stephanie
Comment: **CRACKING UP** @ MDHORNET NOT TOTALLY USELESS SOTBU...Your mean!!! LOL
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oldschoolbrother
Comment: Good morning, I have not posted on this board in several months. Been focusing on the job and my kids. But after reading this, I had to comment. Number one, Tavis Smiley is a d*mn fool. Him and several other Kneegros who have been getting paid each year during Black History Month and every time some fool gets arrested for shooting up the spot, the same black faces are on TV getting a check. Now they are pizzed because Barack did not call them or seek their support. Barack is a different cat. I have known of him for years, we both attend the same church and have had conversations outside of that realm. When he announced his run for Senate, I was shocked none of this came up. Evidently now that he is thisclose to bein President, the gloves are off. If the only complaints against this man is Rev Wright and some dude that gave him land on the cheap, it is a lock. We have politicians that are in nasty men's rooms socking dock, abusing kids, stealing money, having kids out of wedlock, doing crack, and here is a brother from the hood, ivy league education, pristine work background and yet he has to BEG for support from the old school? Give me a break. Tavis lost my respect when he did not check Hillary Clinton. If Hillary and Bill really were trying to help black people, what is going down in Harlem? Explain that to me.
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TheBrownOne
Comment: amen oldschool.......I agree.....point blank.....He never ever even half-way took Clinton to task or held her accountable on any relevant point....that's why I would bet the farm that it's because of Money and POwer. Wal-Mart money and whatever she promised him if she won.
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oldschoolbrother
Comment: My other comment is this, and folks from Chicago can understand this. When Harold Washington ran for Mayor Chicago historically is Democratic. Did you know that whites jumped the ship and voted on the other side for the only time in history? I bring this up because white people vote for their own each and every time. They always look for a excuse not to vote black. It is called the "Bradley effect", when Mayor Tom Bradley ran for governor and lost. I have no shame in saying Barack has my vote.
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RealGAPeach
Comment: I stopped listening to the TJMS show in January anyway. The appeal to me was It's your world..call me shallow..but Sybil is annoying and Tavis don't speak for errybody of color. Jay is funny as heck and Tom should be wary of how he treats his sidekicks. Jay should be able to say what he wants for comedic (sp) relief. When he asked SupaHead about how many men.. they laughed their A's off. and so the story goes..Tavis is a wimp. I wish to heck he was mine thinking you can not speak to your momma.That speaks volumes of what type person he really is....
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yunvme
Comment: Ok..here are some funny things (to me). Why do they keep repeating that Billary made $109 million dollars. Since when do people lump sum salary together over 8 years. You can get the point across just saying they recd approx 10 million last year. Is that $109 mill figure said to inflame voters? Is that NEW politics? Also, Is Obama willing to go on record and state that after he is president- therefore becoming one of the most famous people in the world, he will to NOT accept any money on his speeches/appearances or books? Should he just have all proceeds go to charity? In 4/8 years when he is able to make this kind of money will he then technically be an elitist and out of touch? Ok one more. You dont have to be Clinton/ McCain rich to be rich. Obama is a millionare- but let him tell it, he is still one of us. LoL. I dont know "many" millionares. These are just random thoughts I'm having today.
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yunvme
Comment: RealGAPeach did u read his book or are you just following suit?
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Name:
Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: I haven't read all the posts, but I have to cosign the first posts I've read from ChocolateBrownGal and PlanetRock. People quit jobs every day, and Tavis should have been allowed to quit on his terms and move on. Tom should have just let the man leave and left it alone. And PlanetRock is right, we are treading on a slippery slope as a people when we don't want to allow individual thought among us. Yes, Tavis definitely needs to lighten up, but so do those who disagree with him. There is blame and responsbility on both sides.
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queeniebunz
Comment: First of all, some folk on here made reference to Tavis having a good reason or whatever for giving his ma the silent treatment for 2 years. WTF??? My ma would've smacked my face off for that. I don't know what his ma was thinking to even allow that unless he had a big mouth then like he has now and she was just relieved she didn't have to hear it. So please explain why he had a good reason. And, given the information, if she did make him step down because his grades dropped, that makes her a good mother. Grades should always come first in school. That's why they're called EXTRA-curricular activities, dummy (Tavis). As for his continual badgering of Obama, well it's just ignorant. No, we aren't expected to support someone "just cuz he's black" but I say why not support him? He stands for everything we need in this country right now. He's intelligent, Christian, a good family man, accomplished, degreed, a great statesman, well-traveled and he has experience living in other cultures he got by traveling with his mother. Hilary has proven herself to be petty, immature and a freakin' liar. "She had to duck bullets in Bosnia"? = L-I-A-R. And McCain, sitting on $50 million his wife manages. He don't know Jack or Jill about economics and he admitted it himself. It's like Reagan all over again. Is McCain going to declare ketchup a vegetable like his predecessor or will he grass and dandelions and call it a salad on a school lunch? F*ck the Bullsh*t! If Obama isn't nominated, I'm voting for Nader!
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McNasty
Comment: Hey Oldschoolbrother - it has been a while and I totally agree - Obama has a record long before he had a 'record' and folk are still overlooking it on one hand oblivious to it on the other and listening to sillary on the third of it. Just like there should be no dispute about black folks contribution to amerikkka, there should be no mistaking where Obama comes from and where he stands. Common sense will prevail - I pray.
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Stephanie
Comment: What Obama said about people being bitter was so true because I know damn well, I'm REAL bitter because I have to pay $4 a gallon for gas, the price of Crisco has doubled, my monthly groceries have gone up from $150 to $250, I can't refinance my house, I can't buy airline tickets to see my family in Philly, their laying off 900 teachers in San Diego, everybody wants to make payments on filing for divorce...HELL YEAH, I'm bitter!!
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fanteeking
Comment: Oldschool Brother: I think me and you are cut out of the same kente clothe! Ain't it interesting how SOME Black folks will search for a reason to put another Black person down. Case in point, CREENEJ states and I paraphrase, there's something about BO that I just don't trust, he reminds me of a crooked Black preacher I once knew. I got a business that takes me all over 4 states. How many times have I seen Black jaws drop when Black technicians arrive at their door. Some say, brother 20 years ago, a Black business jiltede me so I don't deal with Black businesses, no offense. But, if you ask them if a WHITE business ever gave them bad service and have they dismissed them ever since then they look at'cha like BeauCoup the Clown Fool. Some BLACK FOLKS nowithstanding their education and work experience have been so brain-washed that they think yt's doo doo don't stink. Yes, I think Tavis was purchased (slave auction) by Miss Hillary and has just been doing her bidding.....faithfully. (Stephen Foster's Camptown Races playing in the background)
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MomaKnowz
Comment: NONE of this is about us! Tom, Tavis, Jay. It's all about market share. Radio is all but DEAD. They need to keep the hype going to get people to tune in...for WHATEVER reason. Controversy sells. What is significant to me however, is Tavis' move from Black radio to White radio...almost as a slap in the face to say... cya, wouldn't wanna be ya. I agree with all of the above commentary that if a lil punk lived in my house, he'd betta respect me or find somewhere else to live. His Momma was at fault for allowing a CHILD to run her home like that. She pulled him out of (school) politics then and she STILL pulls his strings now, I hear.
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loveandbasketball
Comment: Good morning everyonge, I have a question. What could I possibly read in Tavis' book that would make me understand his reasons for not speaking to his mother for 2 years? If indeed that is true. I have not read the book, but in my honest opinion (and I am allowed to have one), there is not one reason that you should be living in your mother's house, being cared for by her and not speak to her. No reason whatsoever. Now, if you are in such a dire situation (abuse, neglect, etc.) then you should not be living in the house. There are ways for a child to be helped from a bad situation. So, even if I read the book 41 times, I can assure you that I would not find a reason for him to treat his mother this way.
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TGen
Comment: Musbdherbs, GREAT post in response to Yunvme's consistent silly hypotheticals. I really don't understand the angle there, but I find her(?) constant "down talking" to Black folks as non-critical thinkers and voters quite insulting actually. It's hard for me to believe this person is an Obama supporter, as her "yall aren't really that bright to disagree with someone like Tavis or couldn't possibly be TRULY against Hillary, it's just his color that appeals to yall" attacks are very Hillary-like. I'm not buying this "I'm voting for Obama in the election" biz...nah, go sell that ish to someone else.
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gingerg
Comment: Moma, you are so right. This juvenile mess would not be going on with the Russ Parr show or any other.
Tavis is positioning himself for a move forward and Tom is playing along. It is time to put this childish bs to rest.
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gingerg
Comment: Why didn't Tom just say that Tavis was leaving in June in the first place?
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Name:
RealGAPeach
Comment: >Yunveme.. I am basing MY OPINION on the printed article. Whatever happened in that home is base on two other things not represented in the article.. the other side and ther truth. The cause and effect of the incident are moot.. his actions whether he being a child considered them justified or not is worthy of a beatdown. His mother gave birth to him and obviously took care of so based on that ALONE she deserved respect. That was the epitome of disrespect. Go back to the real issues you all are discussing and don't try to start with me.
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TGen
Comment: P.S. I read the book and I STILL think essentially "pouting" for two years is bizarre, no matter the explanation. Now what?
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: I think the "not speaking" them is a bit exagerrated by Tom. Tavis continued to speak to his mom and his other siblings. But, it was nothing more than in response to something that was said to him. It's a bit too far to say that he was mute for two years. Tavis did give reasons for not speaking...all of which I understood. As I said, Tom ain't helping the situation at all.
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oldschoolbrother
Comment: Someone mentioned the Clintons and their money. Number one, this is America, you make what you make and if some fool wants to pay Bill 500k for a speech fine. But d*mn, they look stupid saying they donate to charity but the charity was their own? Also if I am not mistaken, NYC has the highest rate for black male unemployment in the USA. What has Hillary done to combat that if she has all these connections on Wall Street? I do not know if anyone here reads the WSJ on the regular but to me, that is a must read. Did you realize that 8 of the 11 mortgage lenders claimed to have lost 11 billion but paid out 39 billion in bonus money? That does not even add up. With that being said, if I was running for President, some of that money would go toward people who I am targeting for votes. Other people do it all the time, they just pass out turkeys.
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queeniebunz
Comment: >musb- so you understand why Tavis was nice/nasty to his mother for TWO YEARS? Please explain why. Please. I was a typically moody teenager and yes, I gave both my parents the silent treatment for a few hours, sometimes a few days but TWO YEARS??? Please explain his reasons. And again, if he was nice/nasty to his mother for 2 years because she took his low-grade havin azz out of an EXTRA-curricular activity FOR HIS OWN GOOD, how could anybody do anything but applaud her for being a firm, loving parent? Help me here. Please.
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gingerg
Comment: Speaking of money, Clinton's campaign consultants have robbed her blind. If she tosses a few dollars Tavis' way, so be it. My only problem with him is his constant ranting about Obama. If he had mixed it up a bit, this wouldn't be such an issue. Whining about Obama not coming to Memphis was the last straw. Rev Al checked him on that, though.
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: Tavis is doing is commentary tomorrow a.m. Yes or no?
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Name:
yunvme
Comment: Like stated, I didnt read the book either but I have listened to those that did, instead of basing my viewpoint on ONE article. From what I recall his mother stood by and let his father beat him and his sister so bad that he ended up in the hospital. She also refused to sign his financial aid papers. She was so loving wasn't she? Until I actually read the book, can someone fill me in? Or are former Tavis fans/supporters ashamed now to admit that he once was alright and they were into him?
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queeniebunz
Comment: >musb - and I will go on to say that I got p*ssed off at my ma on the regular growing up for "the unfairness of it all" of me having a curfew and not being able to be alone w/my boyfriend as much as I wanted but guess what? I was not a pregnant teenager. I wasn't out hanging w/the wrong folks. I never got shot at because I was at a party I wasn't supposed to attend. I graduated from high school and college and grad school. So now I am thankful my parents were strict as Tavis should be. I knew people in high school who were popular and did all the extracurriculars and hung out and their grades dropped so much that they barely graduated and I'm not exaggerating. These were the folks sweating like a whore in church when it was announced who would be graduating and who would not be. So Tavis should've obeyed and sucked it up. To be mad for 2 years is pathological.
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GHank
Comment: Look what Barak done caused (LOL!).....But seriously, people are losing their minds off of this election. I have never scene so many people become so emotional over Barak. Yeah, I like Barak, but I like Hillary, I like John Edwards, I like Al Gore, I like a lot of people for different reasons. I never try to put down any candidate (unless he's real bad!). But this years democratic run has formidable candidates. In the words of the late Harold Washington..."it's not about the man, it's about the plan". Personally, I just think that Tavis made this thing so personal to him, that he damn near had a nervous breakdown. That's probably the real reason why he left the TJMS. The bickering between the candidates and their supporters needs to stop...And that's the double truth...RUTH.
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queeniebunz
Comment: >yunvme - never heard that. That's a whole different story from what Joyner said. If that's true, someone at the hospital should've reported the abuse. Educators and medical professionals are required by law to report possible abuse.
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yunvme
Comment: ..oh yeah and something about him having to be placed in a foster home also. But these things are no big deal, no bigger than coming in past your curfew. Yeah right.
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queeniebunz
Comment: >Ghank - That's the problem that many have with Smiley. He reminds me of being on jobs or in classes that were predominantly white, with one other black person and that black person wanted to be "the authority on black people" and didn't want to "share" the space w/another black person. He seems to be very threatened by someone usurping his role as the intellectual authority on black people in this nation. If a black man makes it to the white house, is Smiley out of a job in his mind? Will the media look to 1600 Penn Ave instead of Smiley's big-mouthed self? It seems like that's what he's afraid of and it's pathetic.
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gingerg
Comment: Yunve, hold on now. That sheds on whole new light on the situation. If mama did all of that, Tavis was perfectly justified in not speaking to her. That's subtle undermining. It seems he's still suffering from some underlying unresolved anger.
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gingerg
Comment: It sounds like Tom is doing some deception by way of ommission on a number of fronts here. Hell, they all need a long vacation and deep tissue massage.
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huey
Comment: i think, more than anything else that has taken place, i was hurt by the way tom told jay to "go home". i didnt think it was right. jay was wrong for cross talking tom on air the way that he did, but emotions were high, the listener could feel it coming through the air waves. but i felt jay deserved better. he was voicing his opinion and thats what the tjms is, opinions...
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yunvme
Comment: Can someone confirm these stories? I need verification myself.
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ladybyrd
Comment: I always thought that Tavis was a Clinton supporter, so nothing he said moved me at all.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Queenie..as I stated earlier I believe there were a host of reasons why Tavis says he stopped speaking. Some of those I mentioned earlier and the others were what yunv mentioned. I stopped of saying what led to what because I can't remember the sequence. I do remember him (after being beaten by his stepdad for embarassing the family in church) being admitted to the hospital and going into foster care. It was also during that time when he didn't speak to any of his siblings until he saw them playing outside. I can't remember how long that period of not talking to them was though. The "financial aid" thing was after that "two-year" period. Again, don't want to conflate a host of issues in an effort to defend/ridicule Tavis' reasonings.
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GHank
Comment: queeniebunz>>>>>He did go and graduate from University of Indiana, so I'm sure he had a lot of "white folks" in his classes. Was his parents that strict? I mean, my mom didn't let me go to the Parliment Funkadelic concert to see the Mothership come to the plant earth to bring the funk when I was 13, and was I mad, but damn, by dinner time eating fried chicken and potato salad, I wasn't even mad no more. (LOL!)
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yunvme
Comment: I dont know the sequence either. But make no mistake about it, he had his reasons and his reasons alone. We were not in his shoes.
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Calidee
Comment: This is truely unbelievable.
One Black man, who has proven that he is concerned about Black America, expresses a dissenting opinion and he gets thrown to the curb?
I don't get it. We show more love to Blacks who, on a regular basis, say and do things that destroy our community.
I wonder what Black folks will do when Obama becomes President and he does something that we think is not in our best interest.
BTW My understanding is that Tavis is not leaving, immediately, but in June.
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TGen
Comment: Yunvme from the NYT: "Smiley recounts the bloody beating his tightly wound stepfather gave him and his sister after church one day, when their preacher had accused the children from the pulpit (falsely, Smiley says) of having created a ruckus in Children’s Church. The attack sends boy and girl to the hospital and into foster care, and makes Smiley’s relationship with his parents terse and bleak for years."
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GHank
Comment: I just didn't know Tavis had all those issues growing up. Tavis did state that he had a lot on his plate, but as Tom said, so does everyone else. Again, I just think that with the relationship Tom/Tavis had, this could have dealt much better. I really thought they were friends.
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yunvme
Comment: Thanks TGen
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OSUN
Comment: Yunvme, I have not read Tavis' book, but I did hear him on TJMS talking about the abuse that happened to him and his sister by his father(parents)b/c they were running around in church. The beatings were so bad that they removed Tavis and his sister. His sister was never returned to the home. I believe they were penecostal.
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oldschoolbrother
Comment: Discipline back in our days was different. Now you cannot even look cross eyed at your own child for fear of the po po locking YOU up. So Tavis may have caught a couple of whoopings, we all did. We had a teacher in grammar school walked around with a paddle with holes in it, she called it "TLC", this teacher was about 5 ft tall and this paddle was bigger than she was. But you knew if you cut up in class she was taking you in the bathroom with TLC. Now look at kids today. What I am saying is, Tavis has achieved a great deal, hopefully the brother is not going through a melt down.
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OSUN
Comment: OSB, this beating was back in the day. I think this may have been more extreme. But this may explain Tavis' "relationship" to his mother and ultimately his inability to accept rejection.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Oldschool...I never thought about that until you just said it. Maybe he is going through a meltdown. Hmmmm. But yes the abuse (at least how it was presented in the book) was just that bad. His family was traditionally strict pentacosts. Re: college...he went to Indiana state q/dollars in his pocket, slept in the lobby for a couple of days and was saved by a school administrator who helped him w/his aid.
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yunvme
Comment: oldschoolbrother do you actually equate "a couple of whoopings" to that of a beating that is so bad you end up in the hospital and then moved to foster care? Come again?
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yunvme
Comment: Would you also conclude that it is YOUR generation who when they became parents themselves became so detached and lenient towards there own children that we have now found ourselves with this generation of criminal minded, out of control, lack of respect for elders- children?
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fanteeking
Comment: Oldschool: I was a practical joker all thru grammar and junior high school and got plenty of whippings for my antics in the classroom. My Momma would whip me after the teacher whipped me and it would have been incomprehensible for me not to have spoken to her for two years. Tavis got some pent up rage and anger that he ain't dealt with yet.
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TGen
Comment: Honestly, I think a lot of the pshycoanalysis about Tavis' childhood is a bit over the top for this story. Yes, it was extremely tacky for Tom Joyner to use his not speaking to his mom as a child without any context, but he was trying to point out how headstrong and yes, egotistical Tavis is. And for those who know or know about Tavis, he has always had a good-sized ego. He's been a class act for the most part, an excellent interviewer on his show(s) for sure, very good about allowing his guests to bask in the spotlight, but he enjoyed the spotlight as well. I think it can be stressed enough that the root of his "pouting" with Obama is his ego, not a whole lot more than that.
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yasmine1
Comment: fanteeking, I totally agree with you.. Tavis comes off as self-absorbed and very jealous that he isn't Obama.. Tavis is just like Foxnews.. only purporting his views.. wish him luck but hope this was a wake up call for him
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queeniebunz
Comment: >OSB - I tend to agree about all of us getting the beat down back in the day. I know what I got would definitely get called abuse today. It was definitely excessive. I remember my ma saying something to the effect of, "Go ahead and call social services, but I'ma beat yo azz til they get here and then I'm gonna let them take yo bad lil azz! And I'll pack your bags, too!" or something like that. We didn't get the Penny from Good Times treatment but it was pretty rough. So I do feel for him but I'm not mad now. As an adult, you look back and understand your parents are people who made mistakes. Most people around my age (35) had very young parents - in their late teens or early 20s. At that age, you really don't know but so much and you don't have the patience of someone in their 30s. I feel for him but I hope he's past it. That's a lot of baggage to carry around. Me and my brothers joke about all of our beatings. "Remember the time ma threw that rotary phone at ___'s head cuz he wouldn't sit down while she was on the phone? That musta hurt!" and "Remember the time she beat us with the vacuum cleaner cord cuz we wouldn't do our chores?" and "Remember the time dad took ___ downstairs and tol him to yell and pretend he was getting beat cuz dad was tired of beating him?"...They weren't funny at the time to us but what else can you do but laugh now? Be mad at your parents forever? Nah. Life's too short. If all that happened to him, yeah it's tragic. It really is. I have no "but" to say to that. I just hope he's past it.
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yunvme
Comment: what is wrong with you people (I hate that term) HELLO.... HAS ANYONE TAKEN THE TIME TO EVEN FOLLOW THIS THREAD? This was no normal whoopin. This was a bloody beatdown that landed him and his sister in the hospital and taken out of the home. If one mo person tries to rationalize this then I am convinced there is no hope for some of you.
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oldschoolbrother
Comment: Yunvme, I can only speak for what I have seen and experienced. Growing up, yes there are people in my immediate family that got some beatings that if they happened today, police would have been called and maybe they would not be with their families today. But again, i do not know if you are a parent or not, but there are situations where extreme measures are called for. Sure you can cross a line, but at what point can you make that call? On the other hand, I grew up with friends whose family had zero discipline and guess what, they got brother in jail, sisters with 5 babies 3 different fathers so it is a case by case basis.
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yunvme
Comment: So what you are saying is that yes, under the right circumstances you can beat your child till the skin is damn near hanging off. Lawd help these folks.
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OSUN
Comment: I too was disciplined in the manner that many are relaying. I remember having canned foods thrown at me, however for his sister to be removed from the home and NEVER return to the home, I think it is safe to say that this beating was a little more than going a bit too far.
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Stephanie
Comment: LOL@GHank! NOT MAD BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T SEE THE MOTHERSHIP COME TO THE PLANET EARTH...We wanted to go to the FRESH FEST with Heavy D, Whodini, the Fat Boys and Moms was not letting us drive her Buick Regal to the SD Sports Arena. I took my whole paycheck and my sister and I rented an AMC Pacer...it was on...LOL..we were driving it on the freeway and not until maybe 10 years ago, we found out she had saw us...
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MsBlake
Comment: Thanks to all the posts that have shed light on the issue between Tavis and his mom. You can't really blame some of us for assuming he stopped talking to his mom cos she punished him for poor grades. Remember Tom Joyner through it out there with no back story which led folks to speculate.
Its sad to hear Tavis went through that abuse. I'm glad that did not hold him back and he became very successful.
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CRENEEJ
Comment: FANTEE, you can paint it any way you want to. i'm not putting BO down, i just said there's something about him that I don't trust and i don't make blanket statements saying 'oh i'd never hire another black person cuz they did a bad job'. i give everyone a chance, and i gave BO a chance. however, as it is my right to not +i'm going to opt to do that. IF he gets the democratic nomination, i will support for him, but until that time, i'm standing firm where i am. my reasons don't have to be good to anyone but me. i'm not trying to convince you not to vote for him, i'm actually asking opinions as to why you think he's so much better.
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Renetta
Comment: That big puzzy. HELL NO I'M NOT GOING TO EMAIL LOVE TO HIS BYTCH AZZ. Any man that would not speak to his OWN mother for two years is a puzzy - plain and simple and I don't give fck if he reads this. He needs to MAN-UP. Big girl. I'm not calling him gay - I'm not going there - I'm calling him weak. If he's going to be out here giving his opinion he has to be able to take the heat - if not. Stop speaking to us for two years like you did your mama.
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MsBlake
Comment: OSUN you had canned foods thrown at you??? Thats serious. Have you noticed when black folks get beat they call it discipline and when white folks get beat they call it abuse. Whenever the subject of whooping comes up amongst my black friends, they try to outdo each other by saying, 'oh u got beat with your mama's slipper, pulease, thats nothin, I got hit with the TV remote control, then someone would say u had it good cos I got beat with a chair, belt and extension cord lol I remember during the Michael Jackson trial, white folks at work were saying Mike is the way he is cos of the beatings, I was like pulease (forgetting I wasn't in the midst of black folks who see it as normal), thats no excuse everyone got beat. They gasped and said 'Ms Blake my parents have never laid a finger on me', I was like oh okay and quietly walked off.lol
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Story2tell
Comment: Him not speaking to his mother for 2 years speaks volumes to me about the type of person is really is. His mother was doing her DUTY if his grades were slipping. But I bet he didn't refuse to eat her food, he didn't refuse to stay under her roof. Tavs gets no respect from me, sorry.
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OSUN
Comment: Ms Blake, my mother threw a can of tuna fish at me. I guess I was being smart mouth. I ducked though so she missed me. I believe in discpline. I think spankings/whoopings are necessary, but you have to be able to control yourself when you are "beating" your kids. Like Queeniebunz said, my parents were young and my mother did most of the disciplining. I think my father spanked me maybe five times if that.
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gingerg
Comment: huey, what exactly did tom tell jay this a.m.?
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FiveMore
Comment: Yunveme> While I do not agree with being "beaten until the inch of ones life", but back in the day parents could chastise children so severely and little or nothing was done about the abuse. I grew up in the 70's and it was quite common for us to be beaten with switches, leather belts and some unfortunate souls even felt the wrath of the "stenchin' cord" or the electrical extenstion cord. Once I even mentioned to my paternal grandma how terrible it was for a boy's mother to beat him unto death and my grandmother dryly replied," he made her do it." So some may not understand the traumatic effects that emotional and physical violence can have on a child psyche. Maybe Tavis Smiley needs to be praised by his people(us, Black people) and when he doesn't receive the praise he deserves, he lashes out or leaves in a fury. Abused children have so many issues until it's not even funny because they are too numerous to list at this time. And, he may just be a tad bit jealous of OBAMA but I could be so wrong.
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Renetta
Comment: This was orchestrated by the hillary machine. They're testing this out to see if Tavis leaving will make some blacks change their minds about Obama. I don't have a problem with anyone who supports hillary - but have the balls to ADDRESS HER LIES - she lied THREE TIMES ABOUT THE SNIPER fire - Tim Russert played all three clips Sunday on Meet the Press, She lied about bringing peace to Northern Ireland, she lied about the Schip insurance bill. She is full of lies and so is her ho husband. Tavis NEVER dealt with that and NEITHER DO HER SUPPORTERS.
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huey
Comment: gingerg-- jay was cross talking tom about tavis' departure, tom was upset and jay kept laying into tom about moving on past tavis. well tom got %*$!ed and told jay to shut up. jay came back with "why do i have to shut up?" tom says "ok, dont shut up, i will just shut your mic off" at which time jay says "for what"...with it ending with tom saying, "well just go home!",.... notice jay is not there anymore...did yall miss this?
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OSUN
Comment: huey I missed this. I wonder if we go to blackamericaweb.com can we hear this.
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Name:
Story2tell
Comment: OK, Thanks to yunv for expounding on the reason(s) Tavis did not speak to his mother. The beatings I got would have classified as abuse...even back in the day...and I can understand how that would strain a relationship between parent and child. However, Tavis still lost my respect over the whole BO thing. He is entitled to his opinion and to support whomever he chooses but puh-leeze. The way he was a-rantin' and a-ravin'...that was personal
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fanteeking
Comment: CREENEJ: I ain't no psychoanalyst but look back in your childhood and find some Black, light-skinned man who caused you pain. You're transferring your childhood pain on BO, a man you know litttle about. O. K. thatz my Dr. PHIL MOMENT! lol!
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yunvme
Comment: Just so I am clear on abuse. Is a "little sexual abuse" of children ok? At all? Just a little? I want to know how/why some of you feel the need to justify abuse of ANY kind? No wonder why our youth is so fvcked up. Does no one find it odd or ironic that of all people- us black people act in such a manner when it comes to disipline? After watching our kings/queens/brothers/sisters and children be beatin and whipped?
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DOne
Comment: Wow, yall over all over the place today. I'm in agreement with OSB and thebrownone; I still don't think any of this has any thing to do with Tavis's ego, his mother issues. Its all about money and power. Its about Tavis's corporate sponsors and whatever he has been promised if Hillary wins. It is only personal in the sense that if OB gets the nom, a lot of folk plans will get derailed. All Tavis needed to do was to officially endorse Hillary and then maybe bring in a guest commendator who was a BO supporter and then debate the issues, but like I said earlier he choose to insult the public intelligence by pretending he was being objective.
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Southernbelle
Comment: Tom really needs to stop with all of this "Mr. Innocent". He knows damn well why Tavis quit. He told him point blank to slow down on the Obama tirades or else. Well, Tavis settled for the "or else" and resigned. Tell it like it is Tom b/c I like Tavis also but I refuse to kiss some grown azz man's behind on whether or not he wants to keep his job. If he wants to work then he should show up front and center on Tuesday morning at 7:20 am CST or else keep it movin.
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gingerg
Comment: Renatta, you are on point. There is no other logical explanation for grown azz men to be acting like kids.
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: I guess Hilary expects people to be foolish enough to believe that there is a difference between straight up lying and misspeaking. No credible world leader will trust or respect her.
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Fran
Comment: I dont like Tavis. I dont want to hear Tavis voice on the radio. I am beginning to think bad about Joyner for having Tavis on the show. Joyner will not be boo whoo for Tavis, when Tavis gets a job being the uncle tom he is on the Fox News Channel. I AM SURE FOX IS CALLING TAVIS RIGHT NOW. THey love any black that will speak against Obama.
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gingerg
Comment: FiveMore, Tavis' resentment of Obama may stem from the fact that he appears to have had a better life. He's an attorney with an educated wife and two beautiful little girls. He did this despite not having his father around. On top of that, he basically came out of nowhere to capture the hearts/minds of much of black america while Tavis has been toiling in the fields for years.
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gingerg
Comment: Not filling out the financial aid paperwork could have been viewed as a deliberate attempt to prevent Tavis from getting an education. If that happened, he has every right to be upset. Is he the only sibling to graduate college, go on and excel?
Frankly, Tavis should be counting his blessing instead of getting tangled up in drama that is going to drive his pressure up. It's like the old Winans song "Millions." They said "Millions didn't make it, but I was one of the ones who did." Tapping foot: That's enough to make you shout right there.
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bigchassie
Comment: FIVEMORE>i know what you mean, i grew up in the 60's 70's too. shoot, not only did we get a beatdown with the Stenion coard, my father was a barber and he had this thick double rasor strap. my father used it to sharpen his blade. if we did something horribly wrong, he get that thing. you are done for! i wonder whatever happened to daddy's rasor strap. (got to ask my sister about that) lol!
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dcdouglass01
Comment: DOne... I totally agree.
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yunvme
Comment: Break the cycle people. Just because something was done back in the day dont make it right. Back in the day it was no thing for a 20/30/40 something year old to date a teenager either. But they did it. Yall over here braggin on the beatings you received like they are metals of honor or something. SMH. My people my people.
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gingerg
Comment: I think the beatings are a throw back to slavery. You can correct a child without trying to beat them to death. I'm not sure timeout works, but there are better alternatives. In some instances, parents took out their frustrations with their life choices, racism, lack of education, etc. on children in the form of whippings.
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musbdherbs
Comment: yunv..instead of asking people to break the cycle of "abuse," wouldn't it be better to find out if any of those talking actually punish/abuse their own children in the same manner? That way, your appeal to our conscience would be better understood/appreciated. Right now your points sound very stretched.
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Name:
BluLuv
Comment: BluLuv doing a drive-by. OSB - where u been? Miss you morning articles on the F4A board. Come back plz, we miss you!!
OK - foots on the gas.....bye
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yunvme
Comment: such a voice of reason.
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Name:
TheBrownOne
Comment: This is why Barack is so special. He's not perfect, but he doesn't take corporate interest or PAC money or lobbyist money. It is impossible to take people's money and not serve their interests. Money and lobbyists control people. Tavis became a corporate money "ho" and compromised any shred of journalistic integrity he could have possibly had. Like Jesse and the Old Guard, he thought change could only be routed through them. NOT. Let this be the rally call for YOung America, black, brown, and white to stand up before the old guard bankrupts our future. Tavis ain't done much, but run his big mouth and the whole "Moses"covenant crap is laughable, not because I current black man can't represent that, but more because it has been a self-serving piece of commercial propaganda.
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Name:
YLawdY
Comment: Coming at this from a different direction.....Tom Joyner is the one driving this mess. Everybody coming down on Tavis, Tavis said he was leaving, end of story, period. TJ is asking for all this Tavis love. Tavis aint asked for shyt and we don't even know if he wants it or cares one way or the other. He's doing him. In this case, maybe Tom Joyner needs to STFU. BTW whatever happened to Myra J and Ms. Dupree? And what is cross talking?
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gingerg
Comment: I was raised by a single mother with three children for some of my formative years. She did day work and was usually stressed about something.
I can recall her coming home from her second shift job and getting me out of bed to point out little places I had missed while sleeping and mopping the kitchen floor. If it wasn't perfect, I had to deal with being yelled at and beaten with whatever was handy. Sometimes, it was a switch or extension chord. Once, it was a mop that fell on my back, arms, etc.
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queeniebunz
Comment: >yunvme - nobody is bragging about whuppins. We're just saying that it was the culture during our upbringing for your parents to beat you into next year if you looked at them wrong, depending on the household. It happened. The flip of that is people my age saying, "I'm never gonna beat my kids like I got beat" and now look at the bad-azzed lil hooligans! Beating each other up and putting it on youtube, robbing, killing, raping each other, dropping out of school, getting knocked up at 13/14/15 and fully expectin' ma to take care of the child while they go to the mall and buy designer clothes they can't afford. There should be a happy medium but no. Many of my peers took it so far in the other direction that their kids are off the hook. I DO believe in "spare the rod, spoil the child" but I don't believe the rod should be doled out because I had a bad day at work or my ma got mad at my dad, which is what tended to happen in my home. All the same, I will pop my child on his/her behind if he/she acts the fool. If/when you do it in a constructive way young enough, you usually don't have too many problems once your child realizes that sh*t hurts and if he/she does whatever they'll get the pop on the behind again. I don't believe in using cords/straps/belts/boards/race car tracks/whipping wet in the shower, smacking a child in the face, etc. but a pop on the butt - I'm all for that.
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Name:
yunvme
Comment: herbs- man u know I'm always all over the place. LoL.
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Name:
ladybyrd
Comment: Because Tom is as petty as Tavis. Mommaknows> I agree with you.
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Name:
asize12
Comment: Wow, it's on & poppin' up in hurr! *waving wildly* Hey osb & md! Okay, now for my comments...I too was a supporter of Tavis but as many of you have said, he has repeatedly dissed Obama for no apparent reason. Why does he have so much disdain for Obama? It's like every chance he gets he's saying something negative about him! He acts as if he's running against him or something! Anyway, I too have lost respect for him. Yeah, he's done great things for us and he is very intelligent, those feelings that I have for him hasn't changed. But his hate for Obama just doesn't seem warranted and it seems to me that he has another agenda for his ranting on & on about Obama. As for Tom Joyner, I don't listen to his show in the morning, but on occasion I turn it on there but I missed this morning's incident. And if that's how it went down then he definitely owes Jay an apology. Telling someone, especially a grown as*s man to 'shut up' and you're on the air is foul and I wouldn't blame Jay if he never came back. >yunvme, I've been reading your comments and I find it comical how you continue to 'bash' Obama but in one of your posts you stated that you're supporting him...*shrugging shoulders* Either you're supporting him or you're not, don't flip-flop! If I would've read every comment EXCEPT the one about you saying that you support him, I woulda thought you were a McCain or Hillary supporter! And creneej, I know you my ace, but that comment that you made about 'what if Obama was a yt man...' really came off as Geraldine Ferraro-ish...And yes, I know that you and the Hillary supporters are entitled to your opinions, but tell me this...if you don't trust her & you don't trust him then why are you voting for her? And what makes her more qualified than Obama? I've been dying to hear the answer to that question...*waiting patiently for response*
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yunvme
Comment: Asize12- Thats because the only thing a politician will get from me is a vote (which he got). They will not get my time or my money. Sorry the only nutz I do iz cashew and walnut. A politician is a politician. I dont view Obama any different.
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asize12
Comment: Wow, yunvme but you haven't uttered one negative word about any other politician other than Obama...Correct me if I'm wrong here, but aren't you supposed to vote for the candidate that you find most qualified? The one that you believe can fill the shoes of 'commander in chief'? So if you feel this way about Obama, how do you feel about Hillary & her bestfriend McCain?
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yunvme
Comment: I like Obama, Edwards and Clinton. Would have supported any of them. Barack got my vote. Thats it. I pay him as much attention as I do the others. This is about Tavis/Tom/Obama. Who else am I suppose to talk about? See I dont feel the need to dog Hillary just to support Barack. Whats up with that? whats up with his supporters? Is that the NEW politics yall brag about? Like I said a politician will get ONLY my vote. A person foolish enough to campaign and send their hard earned money is..well first of all thats their perogative, but I feel its a scam. If these rich azz politicians cant campaign without me sending my money to them, then they dont need to run.
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musbdherbs
Comment: yunv...Obama/Hillary supporters aren't politicians. Why should we be held to such a standard? We can say/do things they can't/shouldn't do. That's like saying if you go to church, then you should act like the pastor. Is that even practical?
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asize12
Comment: >yunvme, oh okay. I just couldn't tell that you 'liked' Obama by your previous post, my bad. And no, I'm not a Hillary basher. Whatever my comments are regarding her are the truth. And when you say "y'all" exactly who are you referring to? Obama supporters? This board isn't about how much money Obama and the other candidates are raising, but yet you found the need to bring that up so apparently we can all talk about what we wish to talk about...Out of curiosity, why have you chosen Obama over Hillary?
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: ASize12, let's just hope the sponsors weren't listening......
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Name:
yunvme
Comment: yall=crazy obama supporters. I have my personal reason/s for voting for him.
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: See Essence online for the latest on this ball of confusion; an interview with Dr. Cornell West explaining why Tavis really left TJMS.
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Name:
asize12
Comment: >yunvme, again, I'm not a 'crazy Obama supporter'. And you have 'personal' reasons for supporting Obama? Alrighty then! As long as you're voting for him I don't care what your reasons are!
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Name:
OSUN
Comment: Tavis' "friends" and colleagues need to quit trying to explain Tavis' position. Let it go!!!
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MorrisOKelly
Comment: To ylawdy: You are very, very insightful. That's all I can say.
but "crosstalk" is a radio term for when announcers/hosts keep "stepping on each other" verbally. Only one person should ever be talking on the air at a time...and crosstalk in this instance means that J. was talking as Tom was.
Ylawdy...very level-headed perspective.
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CaliRedbone
Comment: did yall see this?? (from Tavis's website) Friends and Supporters:
There is no way to put into words the love and respect that Tom Joyner and I have for each other, or the love affair that I’ve had with TJMS listeners for almost 12 years now.
Due to the overwhelming amount of phone calls and e-mails I have received from listeners and other media, I wanted to briefly clarify a few issues that I will address more fully in my regular TJMS commentary on Tuesday morning, April 15, at 8:20 a.m. ET.
I did not "quit" the Tom Joyner Morning Show effective immediately. In July, I will celebrate my 12th anniversary with the show, and as I discussed with Tom, it is my intention to take on the issues of the day in my commentary twice every week with the same energy, passion and commitment until the end of June.
Contrary to what has been suggested, I have decided to clear some things off my plate so that I can devote my time and attention to some exciting and empowering projects that The Smiley Group, Inc. and other divisions of my company have underway this summer, this fall, and beyond.
I look forward to continuing the dialogue on Tuesday and in the coming months.
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Renetta
Comment: These people who claim their supporters of Obama are hillary plants. Campaigns hire and pay people to infiltrate the campaign and to become 'regular's' on message boards and then slowly or in some cases quickly try to sway the group against the candidate. You can tell becaue they never EVER answer why hillary LIES so much or why her H0 HU
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Renetta
Comment: or why her HO HUSBAND lies so much.
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Name:
Renetta
Comment: Excuse me I meant the ones who claim they're voting for Obama but bash the hell out of him on stupid shyt but explain away all of hillary's shortcomings. yEAH i'M A hILLARY BASHER - SHE IS A LIAR AND I DON'T TRUST HER.
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Name:
Renetta
Comment: Thank you asize12. Now that's what I'm talkin bout!!!
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Name:
asize12
Comment: >renetta, if you're referring to my question as to how Hillary is more qualified than Obama, I have YET to receive a response to that question and I doubt that I ever will...
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Renetta
Comment: To asize12 - that's why I think they're hired plants. A REAL hillary supporter would be able to respond. A real supporter would be able to say 'yeah, my candidate messed up by lyin - she shouldn't have done that' but a PAID plant can't be caught dead criticizing his or her boss.
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Cappaucino
Comment: Bottom line is Tavis thinks he is more important then the movement... I forgive him but I hope he now understands his opinion is not the most important of all us colored folks....
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Name:
ladybyrd
Comment: Cappaucino> I agree and the tribe has spoken.
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mamamay
Comment: Tavis you claim you came along way from the early childhood days. From your story to many who came before you, You are a survivor. You are very much loved. since you do not feel all the love, I believe that you do not love your self. My brother I watched you on Bet. I have watched you on the PBS, I don't know you, but I listened to you. I have bought your books. This is called supporting you as a Man, a Black man I help and you don't even know me. Nor I you. Multiply this by the many factors that God has given you and you have much love from people of all walks of life. We love Bro Tom Joyner, too. I think he is a legend. I love to see him dance and cut up with JAB et al on the Tom Joyner show. I believe he has been a very good and healthy inluence on your life Tavis. He appears to love and show love for everybody. Stop now, Tavis and thank God for all the love from your family friends, and admirers. Then check out one of the little chics you cant show love too and read her the words of a phenominal woman by MA. Then go off for a week and get your boogie on. Tavis Obama is going to be our next President, We are pulling for him, because folks are not showing love to him either. To get Love you must be able to give love. It's okay if you dont love me back.. But Love, Peace and god be the glory all around you tavis... love mamamay
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BlackThought
Comment: OSB, you better preach! Maybe you should replace Tavis...lol:) I'm certainly in agreement with you regarding YT and how they hold their people down. When Al and Jesse ran for president, I laughed because that was just some funny sh.i.t to me, but BO is in a whole different league. So for me, it's because he's black, but moreover he's a leader who MOVES me and INSPIRES me like Martin and Malcolm did. And the fact that he's black makes me all the more proud. Vote how you want, but when you look at history, this is the time we NEED to stick together. OSB, you always keep us informed. Thanks!!
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