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blaquebaby
Comment: OOO watch out sista soulja Keys is stepping up to the plate! I might have to get this issue to see what she is talking about, but I have to figure out where to get this mag?? Anybody know, I am not familiar with it
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Gurlfrand
Comment: I don't know either - I read this story on perez this weekend and the posters tore Alicia apart calling her all kinds of ugly nasty names.
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Taurusingr
Comment: Yo:...."Blender" is a men's mag. like Maxim etc... So, where ever you see/get those mags, you should be able to get it there! Gurlfrand: This just goes to prove once again... (in the voice of a slave)... iffin you's a good, QUIET negro...you's ok!! But the minute you say the truth or some shyt that should only be viewed as....freedom of speech or she's trippin, people stop buying your CDs & start attackin you & shyt!!! "WE" are not allowed to speak the truth or make ANY mistakes!! That's "F'd up" yo!!
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JFromMO
Comment: This theory is old. I can't remember speifically, but I've heard many people say this very same thing. It just happens this time to come from someone who no one would ever believe to think this way.
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huey
Comment: "hey keyes...blow some of that up my nose" cocain is a helluva drug....
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Grace12_34
Comment: Gurlfrand, I've seen her being torn up at other sites over the weekend too. I hope she comes forward (when she comes back from vacation) to clarify what she said. I hope she didn't say this at all. I'm sick and tired of the "blame the white man" mentality. I see very little evidence that either Tupac Shakur or the Nortious B.I.G. would've become an important black leader.
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bigfriend
Comment: I guess she does not believe in gangs and drive bys then. What was NWA and them doing? Rnb? Very small minded.
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Southernbelle
Comment: Oh shyt Alicia, it's been nice knowing you.
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andryce76
Comment: so the Government is making blacks kill each other? they aren't responsible for there own actions?
and just because someone raps really well it doesn't mean they are going to be great leaders i know that we have been through alot but sometimes it ain't the government it's just us
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NYCsoul
Comment: The real question is did Alicia Keys actually say this?
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McNasty
Comment: NYC I was thinking the same thing. Too many times mainstream media reprints and replays mere snippets so I will hold my full thought on this. If this is what she said she, like anyone else, has a right to her own opinion. The fact that she is even aware of Huey Newton and the Black Panthers can only be of benefit to her.
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pdub
Comment: IF she said this, I think she needs to have a reality check. Isn't this "theory" that she posited (if she said it) providing a cop out? I find it difficult to believe that either 'Pac or Biggie would have been "world leaders" as the quote saoid. They were both great at what they did, but making them the next Mandela is a stretch. Perhaps she is trying to stir some controversy for publicity purposes? Or perhaps her comments were taken out of context and she meant to say that the "media" is at fault for creating that whole East Coast-West Coast thing. Either way Alicia probably needed to really think about these statements before speaking out.
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: *(Slapping self 'side da head)Dayum...all along, I thought it was Suge...
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musbdherbs
Comment: Ahhhh...let's call Alicia all kinds of the "uneducated/apologist/stupid" sorts of things usually reserved for hip-hop artists
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...I agree with Ms. Keys and would love to hear her thoughts on Elvis Presley being created by the Goverment to steal and discredit The Blackman about creating Rock and Roll...
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queeniebunz
Comment: IF she said this, she's very wrong-headed and mis-informed. Even if "the Man" was the catalyst for the East Coast/West Coast thing, nobody put a gun to the heads of the knuckleheads who pulled the triggers. To wear some gang-ish ghetto rope with a gun on it around your neck because you are "so down w/the cause" is just ig'nant. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Keys tries too hard to prove her blackness. She just does. Her vernacular is ridiculous w/all the "hey yo yo yo"s she uses when talking in interviews and now this mess. She was raised by a white woman. I guarantee her ma didn't condone such language. And I know she can speak like a normal human being because when she gets around people she knows aren't impressed by such language she switches up. She needs to crack open a history book or at the very least an industry magazine from 1991-1992. She was 10 or 11 years old when all the sh*t hit the fan w/the gangsta rap coming on the scene. She doesn't know very much about this, obviously or she wouldn't say such silly things. Gangsta rap came about when ignorant black people started thinking it was cool to rap about degrading women and killing other black people. The only responsibility whites had was encouraging knucklehead rappers to create music like that by giving them recording contracts but the rappers didn't have to do it. So again, the responsibility needs to be put at the feet of ridiculous black people selling out their culture to try and make a buck. As for the Black Panthers, well, sure they got a raw deal but what did they expect? When I was young-headed I was all militant too but now that I'm more mature I see why MLK was so successful and why Malcolm X and the Black Panthers were not. Black men w/guns will always instill fear in white people. White people will always, by any means necessary, legal or not, try to squash blacks w/guns like bugs. To say that the government condoned and supported black men w/guns when historically the government destroyed an situation where blacks had guns, is just historically misinformed. And calling Biggie and Tupac potentially great leaders - well one was convicted of sodomy and the other rapped about defecating on a female. I don't want either of them "leading" me or mine anywhere, may they both rest in peace. Or at least Biggie because everybody knows Tupac ain't really dead. He's drinking champagne in Paris right now. ;)
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YLawdY
Comment: Guess "Cop Killer" and "F*ck the Police are urban lullabies. Note to Ms. Keys: Crack kills.
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TesticAl
Comment: I don't believe she said that. If she did, I had to be taken out of context. Gangsta rap didn't exist? Come on!
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Mas90
Comment: Alicia Keys also believes Diana Ross slept and married white men to spy for the New Black Panther movement.
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Mas90
Comment: Alcia Keys also believes tampons were a deterrent to keep black women from gettng pregnant.
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gingerg
Comment: Speak on it, Queenie.
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MomaKnowz
Comment: Part of what she seems to be saying is that the Industry that benefited from the deaths of those artists, actually manufactured it. The gov't involvement on the other hand is a bit of a stretch. Local policia? In the Biggie death...definitely. And, the fact that in lil tiny Vegas...NO ONE saw what happened to Tupac, and whomever shot him "got away" is also a stretch for me to believe regarding the local policia. So, if THEY are a part of the "gov't" that she speaks of, I'd have to agree with ole Gul.
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Maqueen
Comment: SHOUT-OUT to Tupac!! "Holla if U hear me..."!
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Rahwaykid1
Comment: If she indeed said this, her political naivete is endearing. Bless her heart.
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Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: "I see very little evidence that either Tupac Shakur or the Nortious B.I.G. would've become an important black leader." My sentiments exactly Grace. I like Alicia and errythang, but I can't get with this %*$essment of hers. LMBAO @ Queenie- Tupac is somewhere knocking back Cristal fo' sho' !!!
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Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: Oh GOOD GRIEF!!! "azzessment." (That is, if she really said this...)
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realuvbaby
Comment: I think that that Gangsta Luvin got somebody buggin. CTFU @ Southernbelle. I would like to ask the record labels why promote such a violent "art" though, when rap had spawn many children. Makes one wonder when rap came out, we had every genre from Busta A Moove to Gangsta Rap and guess which child got the most attention? The child to cause the most controversy. But to coin a phrase from Whitney [we're] our own worst enemies. Yes, it's true that as a race, we've have had and still have some awful things perpetrated against us, however, we bear some of the responsibility for our own condition, if for no other reason, that we need to know that we must keep our own best interests at heart otherwise take what ya git.
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Sigmatherunner
Comment: At the end of the day who’s responsible for raising their children?
There are many people who take this theory and run with it. Bad parenting plays a major role in this as well.
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Kara
Comment: Not sure what Alicia Keys is trying to say, and I think it is too hard to determine from the snipets provided in this article. However, contrary to what is being spoken in this board. The White race, particulary those who enslaved black people for several years, have a whole lot to do with what is going on within the black race even today. It is the parent's responsiblity to raise their children, Yes. But, parents can only teach what they themselves have learned. You can't plant seeds of division within the black race, ie... selling family members away in the slave trade, separating fathers and children, mothers and daughters, instituting a plain to keep black people at each others throat instead of working together (willie lynch's theory), emasculating the black man by raping his family members while he watches powerless and expect unity, peace and love to grow. Those parents who were directly affected by those events taught there children, either by the words they spoke or by the examples they set, and they taught theirs. Brokeness was passed on from generation to generation. We are deluding ourselves if we think the past has no bearance on the future.
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Kofi
Comment: The ignorant shyt posted on this board never ceases to amaze me. Talk about picking up a history book has anybody read about COINTELPRO? You all have access to the Internet, look that shyt up!! The gov't plan was to sow dissention among black leaders. During my undergrad I did some research reading documents from the Senate Select Committee on the House of UnAmerican Activities and you would not believe the shyt the FBI and gov't did to MLK, the panthers or any black leader. The FBI had informants who would purposely provoke gang warfafe whenever they tried to make a truce. In one plot FBI agents testified they injected prostitutes with a super strain of syphillis so they would infect members of the group Students of Democratic Society (SDS) This group later became the radical Weather Underground. These folks said this shyt under oath before a Congressional Sub-Committee. It is not a strectch that the gov't would continue to do this shyt. Read Gary Web's Dark Alliance. Gary Web was a reporter for the San Jose Mercury News who wrote a report about how the CIA was complicit in the smuggling of Cocain in the black neighborhoods in the US. Ask yourself this, how do combat weapons end up on our streets? (ie AK-47's and Uzi sub-machine guns) Its not like you can go to the local sporting goods store and buy one. Its unlikely they were stolen in some house break in.
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SilentJay
Comment: co-sign with Kofi
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blackdragon
Comment: First of all, Alicia Keys is an idiot. Second, some of the stuff Kofi typed is true. However, nobody is forcing blacks to kill each other or sell drugs. That's a choice, a bad and stupid choice. This "blame the white man" stuff is crazy. Since when did people forced you you to commit a crime? I was born and raised in Brooklyn, New York. I could have joined a gang, sold drugs, etc. But I didn't. Why? Because I was smart enough to not make a self-destructing choice, mostly due to my parents checking on me all the time. Yes, we don't manufacture guns and drugs. However, nobody is forcing them to do it. People have to be responsible for their own actions. It doesn't make sense for a drug dealer to sell poison in his/her own community and then blame somebody else. And despite what some people might say, you always have a choice in life. You deal with the cards you are given, and try to overcome those obstacles to be successful. As long as you don't mess with bad people, make immoral choices, stay in school, go to college, get good grades, and believe in yourself, you can become a success story. By the way, don't believe everything you read on the Internet. It's mostly fake, made-up crap to serve a crazy agenda.
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queeniebunz
Comment: >kara - Okay, I will say that slavery has influenced even our current black experience because it turned into the whole self-hatred thing and eventually the white baby/black baby experiment used to win the Brown v. Bd of Educ case. However, when are we going to start taking responsibility for what we as a people do? As I said, no white person/people put a gun to any black person's head and told him/her to start killing black people. Yes, we have a history of the light-skinned/dark-skinned rivalry but again, that wasn't started by whites, either. What I mean is that whites didn't tell either group to hate the other. They did that on their own. Yes, historically dark-skinned blacks were put out in the field. BUT have you ever read a slave narrative of a fair-skinned slave? They got the sh*t beaten out of them on the regular for such offenses as a baby crying or dropping a bowl. And they got raped regularly, too. And, if you read the story of Mary Prince, one pregnant "house n*gga" got beaten to death for dropping a bowl. The whole "dark slaves got treated better" thing is relative - really. Read slave accounts written by slaves and you may widen your view. But again, whites didn't deliberately set out to make blacks hate each other. We did that all by ourselves. And we continue to do it. And the "Willie Lynch" thing has been proven to be complete fiction. Look it up on the web if you don't believe me. So I say all of that to say that this whole "conspiracy theory" of dark vs. light is bunk.
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queeniebunz
Comment: >kofi & silentjay - y'all trippin. Yeah the guns are in our neighborhoods but black folk had to BUY them. Big bad evil Mr. White Man didn't hand them out in black preschools free with lollipops. Ig'nant black folks bought them and proceeded to use them on each other. Just like in Africa when Africans sold themselves out to Europeans for rum and guns. Blacks bought the rum to drink 'til they were in a stupor and the guns to use on each other. Whites just brought in the guns and put a for sale sign up. Yes, the government harrassed MLK, Malcolm X, the Black Panthers w/in an inch of their lives but nobody forced black people to kill each other over a blue/red bandana. And they wouldn't have had the adultery dirt on MLK if he had kept it in his pants, now would they? They did the same to JFK and again, had he not tried to nail anything in a skirt, Hoover wouldn't have had as much to use against him. And, nobody forced black people to snort/inject heroin/crack/etc. into their bodies, either. The white man ain't the enemy here. We have to look in the mirror for that guy. As for the whole infected hooker thing - you've got to be kidding me! If a negro would/could keep it in his pants and/or wrap his thing up, it would be IMPOSSIBLE for him to get a STD! Yeah, I know about the Tuskegee experiments (in case you want to mention that) and admittedly it was a horrific thing but you cannot blame everything on Jack and Becky. At some point we have to take responsibility for what we do to each other. White people don't even live in our neighborhoods but you can best believe they go to them for drugs/sex because they know "Tyrone" is on the corner slinging rock and pimpin out "Keisha". Nobody is forcing them to be on the corners selling drugs and themselves to the highest bidder. At this point, it's a personal choice and a bad one that cannot be blamed on white people.
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blackdragon
Comment: Queeniebunz, you're right. Some blacks have to be personally responsible for their actions. Period. The white man isn't forcing blacks to sell drugs, join gangs, etc. Personal responsibility, people!
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lucyrose
Comment: Queeniebunz AMEN..... THANK YOU FOR YOUR POSTINGS YOU ARE ON POINT IT IS TIME FOR PEOPLE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CHOICES THEY MAKE AND STOP PUTTING THE BLAME ON WHITE PEOPLE. THAT SH@T IS GETTING OLD
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Kofi
Comment: >dragon and Queenie, no one is arguing against personal responsibility, that is a given. We are all responsible for our actions. Do either of you recall when Hillary said there is a vast rightwing conspiracy. Guess what, there was one then and there is one now. This was funded by mult-billionaire Richard Melon Scaife. These folks did everythhing in their power to bring down the Clintons. If they would do that %*$! to other white people just think what they will do to us. If you read the Congressional record, the FBI either thought of or carried out some WHACKED AZZ SHYT against black leadership. Read a book called Agents of Oppression. This is a collection of the govt records that detail this shyt. You have a decline of innercity neighborhoods with jobs leaving and a declining educational system. When I went to school CA used to be #1 in education and per pupil spending. We are now like #48 of the 50 states. This is for every student in CA public schools. You can imagine what that shyt is like for students of color. My point is that you have communities that are the perfect breeding ground for drugs, guns and violence. The problem for our gov't is that powerful influencial leaders also tend to emerge from this envoironment as well. They know that rap music is an extremely powerful world wide influence. Just think if it was used to move people to some positive action. You would literally have world wide revolution. The monied interest would stop this by any means necessary!! It is only a very small minority of whites doing this shyt. Poor whites get shafted by the same system. Obama is right. Poor white people in small town America are bitter. The jobs have gone overseas, they don't have healthcare for their children and wages are falling. Our gov't gives them god, gays and guns so that they will not act in their own interest.
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Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: Queeniebunz and blackdragon- You guys are on point today. We have to stop using the white man as an excuse for our own bad choices and failures.
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Kara
Comment: Queeniebunz and other nay sayers. If black people need to take responsibility for themselves this taking of responsiblity must be incorporated with the entire history of the black race. You cannot discount the psychological impact that slavery has had on the black race, and continues to have on the black race. Not really sure how on one hand you can say don't believe everything you read on the web, and then follow-up with saying that the "Willie lynch thing is complete fiction look it up on the web." Something is not adding up. Willie Lynch aside, you cannot say that what happened did not change or affect the people in any way, shape or form. "NO white person, put a gun in a black's person hand" (not even sure if this true, the guns came from somewhere But if we want to use this argument... did they have to? If by your own admission, you say that slavery influenced and brought forth the self hatred thing, is it no wonder that black people started turning on themselves, is it no wonder that some black people tried to carve out their own American dream by any means necessary because they could not obtain it in the same way as white people. This type of behavior began for a reason, and once the behavior is started it will be reproduced again and again, unless the correct message is heard and even if the correct message is heard, it still will be at war with the examples that were set. Black people taking responsibility for their actions requires for black people to understand what brought the behavior on, where the behavior began, so that they can effectively combat it.
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Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: >Kofi, "Black people taking responsibility for their actions requires for black people to understand what brought the behavior on, where the behavior began, so that they can effectively combat it." I TOTALLY agree with you. That is my point, we must realize this and take action on it, NOW, and stop being content to just complain about how terrible whitey is. Yes, slavery did do number on us and we have suffered for it, but the only ones to end our suffering is going to be US, NOT the ones who inflicted the pain on us to begin with.
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blackdragon
Comment: First of all, Kara, there are SOME things on the Internet that are true and unbiased. The Willie Lynch letter is a myth. Check this out: http://manuampim.com/lynch_hoax1.html. Second, I know racism exist. Look at the Youtube website. It's full of hatemongers and racist comments. I'm just saying we should stop playing the blame game and realize nobody controls our lives. We control our destiny.
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Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: My bad, my last comment should be directed to Kara, not Kofi.
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NYCsoul
Comment: kara and kofi> ITA with your comments.
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Kara
Comment: I agree with you Closet_Nerd_Girl. What I am saying is that what is being proposed is easier said then done without recognizing how terrible whitey was and still is. This message of self destruction has not been able to reproduce itself for years because you can just say, okay today I am going to stop. The gap will not be bridged by saying to people who are hurting, and lacking to get over it, and except responsiblity for their own actions. Especially when, a lot of people who are exhibiting this behavior don't even know how to stop. Or even why they are doing it. Let's really think about this... why would someone willing throw their life away? Nobody wakes up in the morning and consciously says, hey today, I think I am going to muff up my life. What I am trying to say is there are underlying issues and if we ignore those underlying issues and come at people with harshness, and name calling, we only further serve to widen the gap between black people.
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Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: >Kara- I get what you are saying. You and I really are on the same page. I know it's not a matter of telling folks to "get over it, pull yourself up by your boot straps and get yours because I got mine." It's going to take hard work and compassion to "deprogram" folks. But the point is, we must first figure out a way to let those folks know that they NEED to be deprogrammed. When folks get into a pattern they get complacent, and they aren't really motivated to break their habits. That's why it's so easy for some to be content to play the "blame game" instead of trying to help themselves. Until we figure out a way to deprogram the masses, meanwhile we need to start with one person at a time. Reach out to a family member in need, a friend, church member, whatever. We have to start somewhere.
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queeniebunz
Comment: >CNG - There have been influences in our community for DECADES that have been actively working to de-program this wrong-headed behavior - schools and churches as well as social programs. And I disagree w/you kara. There ARE people who get up and knowing what they are doing is wrong, do it anyway. How do I know this? Because a bank robber doesn't just walk in w/o a disguise and try and rob a bank. If he didn't know it was a crime, he wouldn't wear a mask. And, a negro on the corner knows to run from the police because he knows slinging rock is illegal. And a hooker knows prostitution is illegal because she tries her best to make sure she isn't picked up in a sting operation. So I say all of that to say that perhaps these people don't get up and say, "today I'm going to ruin my life" but they DO say, "F*ck the law, I'm getting mine". And that is what they proceed to do. There are too many black people providing non-profit services to help their communities and too many people in schools and too many concerned church members working to help these people for them to not know what is right and what is wrong. When welfare fraud, selling drugs, prostitution, bank robberies, murder, rape occur I guarantee you that the perpetrators KNOW they are doing wrong but it's easier than doing right so they do it anyway. Fast money and pretty clothes and fat cars w/20 inch rims and jewelry that Jacob the Jeweler would envy is what they want and they don't want to wait for it or earn it honestly. But don't for a minute tell me they don't know their options. I've worked with youth 15 years and I KNOW they know better. YOU are actually insulting their intelligence to say otherwise.
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deedeeVon
Comment: Oh Lawd! Sounds like she smokin that sh*t with all her conspiracy theories. Also, she need to Google Huey Newton and get the real history on that dude.
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umph_umph_umph
Comment: she gave her opinion and here is mine- keys needs to keep her mouth shut- some people don't need the mic...
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soulmusic101
Comment: Kofi...Sometimes Eur Peeps remind me of MediaTakeOut Peeps..
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deedeeVon
Comment: Closet_Nerd_Girl > Perhaps it is that easy. maybe, just maybe we can just get over it. I mean, how long are we going o use this very same excuse? It has become a crutch. No person, especially YT control my destiny. Carter Woodson said it best in "The Miseducation of The Negro" If you continue to let YT control your mind, he will control your life. Time to "Get The Fvck Over It Already!
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MistaO
Comment: Kara & Kofi -
Your points are dead spot on target! Many "black" people have adopted white media driven sentiments concerning the Black experience, which in and of itself stands to absolve the larger white society of any responsibility of the current (and past) states of the Black community. COINTELPRO and many, many other government sanctioned programs had their basis in controling and eliminating any hint of Black solidarity and leadership. Some of you white loving / black hating folks riddle me this...Name another group of people (as a whole) who's had entire governmental and institutional entities that managed entire projects aimed at eliminating those people? Programs that went on for decades and some even centuries? Knowing this, and knowing our collective history, it is very sad that many blacks today have adopted the policy of blaming their own without any point of reference in asking the "WHY" are we where we are today. Yes, much of it is based on personal choice and responsibility, however, you can not discount the overwhelming obsticals and imparments placed in front of Black people in general and Black men in particular. It's real. Plus, you take any man, any race and subject him to an inferior education, lack of access to capital (to create our own companies and jobs), stripped of generational wealth, lack of access to jobs, subject his people to games and policy driven tactics to divide his families (see welfare and other anti father in home programs), subject him and his people to a constant barrage of negative media driven imagery, then confine him to a given area and lastly, just mix in a good mix of drugs and guns. What do you think will happen to any man, any race subjected to this???? Hmmmmmm??? Well I will tell you, crime will result. Broken homes will result and from that, a cycle will start and continue for generations. That my friends, is where we are now and a general synopsis of a portion of the Black experience.
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MistaO
Comment: So some of yall can wax on about "oh, let's just get over it" and all the other foot shufflin thought processes. Like it or not, some of you are just as much of a reason Black people are still hurting to this day. Refusal to acknowledge your very own history. I have never heard a Jewish person say half the "let's just forget about it and move on" crap that some black people spew on the regular. Some blacks have truly adopted their historical masters mentalities that seek to asbsolve them of any responsibility concerning the Black experience. Yea, they may not have been there, but have you considered the fact that to this day, there exists may individuals, families AND corporations that are STILL living off and earning interest off of Black labor during Slavery and not to mention the vast number of Black who were cheated out of their land, labor, products ect... all the way up through and after jim crow? See, this is what is called generational wealth. These people and companines have been passing these dollars down to their offspring for "GENERATIONS", get it? So to this day, they still are benefiting from the labor and deaths of millions of Black people here in the diaspora. Yea, yall don't like to peel back the covers to see what's really under the sheets do you? But you can't run from the truth, it always catches up...
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