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Name: goodnplenty1957
Comment: WAS IT A CONSPIRACY????.... IS PIG PU$$Y PORK?? DO DUCKS HAVE AIR BRAKES? IS A BULLFROG'S A$$ WATERPROOF?? ...again..we blacks understand REV WRIGHT'S WORDS..we just cant understand the timing.....again dont be surprised IF hillary wins the nomination and election to see REV WRIGHT holding the Bible she is putting her hand on, and see him grinning like he stole the last piece of gov'ment cheese needed to make a grilled-cheese sammich!
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: goodnplenty1957:...You forgot one!...my favorite is...do a chicken have lips!!??? LMBAO!!! Hey, this shyt is just a comfirmation that Jeremiah "WRONG" is in bed with...massa!! On yesterdays board, I profusely stated...there's NO WAY IN DEE HELL J.W. didn't know or think his actions would do hella damage to Obama!! And that is what HE WANTED TO DO!! This house "N" will probably be held...the next Al Sharpton!! It IS about time for another (newly elected by YT) Black %*$ leader!! I mean, if he really wanted to do some GOOD with his "truth",....wouldn't it have been better to have waited until "O" was IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!??? That way, he would've had the ear of someone who would've & WANTED TO...LISTEN!!??? He could've...THEY COULD"VE did some serious damage in THAT POSITION!!! But this "crab" just had to try & pull his own...back into that F'n bucket!!!....FO MASSA!!! And all who STILL can't see this....keep on drinkin that "WILLIE" juice!!!
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: And by the way.......GOOD MOANING!!
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: Joe Andrew (former democratic chairman) has announced his support for Obama, and is encouraging the rest of the "Hoosiers" to do the same!! I hope MORE Whites come out & do the same!! Their the ONLY PEOPLE YT can hear & LISTEN TO "the truth" from!!!
Name: goodnplenty1957
Comment: whaddup T..well its about 5:20pm in the evening here in Shanghai China, 12-hours ahead of east coast. ..and now Hillary is saying, if she was in cherch and heard what Rev Wright was saying, she would have gotten up....but i bet when her her ministers in her church talk about how homosexuality is bad, pre-maritial sex, etc is wrong..she never got up, even though stuff like that is suppose to be in the bible.
Name: bigfriend
Comment: I may have been inclined to think so, which would have been a good strategy for clinton btw if so, except that i read that this person had tried to get rev wright 2 years ago for a press club thing and they turned the rev down saying he was not newsworthy. So conspiracy no. He sure is newsworthy now (at least for 12 more minutes)!
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: goodnplenty1957:...You Knooooow she sat her lying %*$ right there & said...AMEN!! lol!! Plus.. Bill & Sillary say this man Jeremiah "WRONG" is sooooo bad!! But if I'm not mistaken, this is the SAME MAN who Bill ran to when the "Monica thang" went down!!! THE SAME DAMN MAN!! That ALSO ties J.W.to the Clintons!!! But really...should we expect anything different from a woman who doesn't know NOT to lie about gun fire that never happened, b/c the F'n trip...... IS ON TAPE!!! This beeeeaaaaatch is twisted,dizzy & SAD!!
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: bigfriend:...But that was THEN, this is NOW!! & there is so much they can do fo massa NOW!!! Now theyz gotta reason & g'on really..... dance fo massa!! (kinda like J.W.did....3 days ago!)
Name: fanteeking
Comment: Surely Barbara Reynolds had a inkling of a notion that Reverend Wright would get on world TV and make an absolute azz of himself and stick a Judas knife in the back of OBAMA. My MaMa used to always say "there's no fool like an old fool" and it certainly fits Wright as snug as a Stacey Adam wing tipped shoe. Perhaps, the student, staff, faculty and administration should storm her office at Howard University Divinity School and run her out of town on a rail. What she and her co-conspirator Wright did was certainly not DIVINE.
Name: SoopDawwg
Comment: Stop the B.S.,nobody was responsible for the loon Rev Wright,but Rev Wright. No one put words in his mouth. People are always looking to blame others,BLAME THE PERSON THAT DID IT!
Name: fanteeking
Comment: Watch for the good Reverend Wright to make the talk show circuit a la Jay Leno & David Letterman and maybe even Bill O'Reilly and Faux News. He really is enjoying his 15 minutes of world notoriety and "he don't wanna jump of de ferris wheel". It's so sad that the 20 years of "pulpitic good works and social ministries" has been reduced to a snippet of him dancing and clowning in front of white folks talking about how fluid Florida A&M marching band is and how robotic and "Frankensteinic" Michigan & Michigan State U.'s bands are. His entire ministry has sadly been reduced to a men's room joke. (Shakin' my head and sighing)
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: SoopDawwg:....I'm not one for falsely accusing or blaming!! I just know the history of YT & house "N's"!! Plus...ask yourself why no one rightfully blamed McCain for the BIGOT he had open his fund raiser/rally!!?? And why no one called that lying beeeeaaatch Sillary on HER LIES!! (the bigots SHE HAD in her campaign & that F'd up lie about the "bullets" & shyt!! Sooooo, let's INDEED...BLAME ALL THE PEOPLE THAT DO THE SHYT rather than someone who wasn't even in the same area code when the shyt went down!! I.E...Obama!! One!
Name: fanteeking
Comment: Taurusingr: DITTO!!!
Name: nightshift
Comment: I hate the word but, this ni88er is showing the side he's been hiding. He's like some holy roller hulk, one poke from y-t and rrrooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrr!!!!!!
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: fanteeking:...right! right!!...I guess sometimes...they really forget ALL the facts!!! HUH???
Name: fanteeking
Comment: Taurusingr: Joe Andrew's endorsement is "nice" but please know that I live in Indianapolis and this town (not big city) has the LARGEST per-capita amount of republican-voting negroes in the universe. SOME of the leading mega-churches are led by folks with pro-republican, anti-Obama sentiments. When Evan "I am the law" Bayh says "JUMP!!" a lot of these black leaders say, "Massa, how high?" Reverend Wright has torpedoed Obama's chance to win the Hoosier primary and Hilllary & John McCain are givin' Reverend Wright a "high five".
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: nightshift:...I feel you man!! I think Jeremiah "WRONG"& any other tap dancin house "N'" "leaders" should be banished from OUR fold!! We should be like the Catholics...just let their %*$ sit here & go on to...... do it sum mo!! You know!!???
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: fanteeking:...Damn!! And let's not forget bout their "crossing the party line" strategy!! How is THAT SHYT even...LEGAL!!???
Name: fanteeking
Comment: Taurusingr: Here in Naptown, voters can declare a party affiliation and vote accordingly. Don't be surprised if a lot of repubs. "re-declare" and vote for Billiary just to stir the pot. There are Black city department heads who keep their job regardless of which party is in power. They are chameleon-esque and sho-nuff know how to "re-declare" errry four years when their jobs are on the line.
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: fanteeking:...I guess they have RESTOCKED the shelves with that "WILLIE" juice!! HUH!!???
Name: fanteeking
Comment: Yeah, they be a lot of Willies here ESPECIALLY in city gov't. Indiana has traditionally and historically been a "red state" and conventional wisdom dictates to young, upwardly mobile Blacks that if you wanna maximize your career opportunities, don't wait in the long democratic line, just sell your souls for 30 pieces of silver and join the repubs. Didn't they free yaw from slavery?
Name: PgDn
Comment: Wow, when will negroes learn??!! Didn't yall read Malcom??!! And how many times do we have to watch this type of stuff play out before we understand the game??!! Maybe cause i was a psych major it's easier to see. 1. Take one attractive, likable person with the average ego, boost that ego by telling them they can win the democratic nomination (no matter the unlikely reality of any such thing coming to pass because said person lives in a rabidly though covertly racist society) 2. Use that person to stimulate the passions of naive youth and the guilty (due to prospering on the backs of the disenfranchised) and or disenfranchised persons in said racist society. 3. Translate that passion into voting registrations. 4. At the last minute find someone or anything to discredit said attractive, likable person and watch them flounder, get desperate, melt down and do or say damn near anything to salvage their reputation/standing in the community/marriage/job/ego, etc. (Obama hasn't gotten to this stage yet) 5. Watch the games keeper sweep in to collect all those newly registered voters and sway them to go with the "the only one that can obviously win" (Hillary in this case) 6. Put this new "underdog" up against the superhero and then watch McCain win. Hope it doesn't go down like this but history is a mighty teacher.
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: fanteeking:...F'd UP & a damn shame that SO MANY are STILL....."BLIND"& beholding to....good ole Massa!!!(I hear Florida Evans sayin....You knoooooow!!)
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: I gotta bounce!!! And I also need to "take 5" from this crazy shyt!! lol!!! I'll holla later yall!! One!!
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: PgDn, if we have seen an opposition's contrived series of events to do a take down on an opponent, it has failed . . . . . . as more of the balanced, nuanced O-BA-MA!! characteristics are revealed through incredible and damning circumstances that would destroy any lesser person, more people are seeing that this man is the real deal . . . . . . win, lose, or draw, O-BA-MA!! has been a mighty wonder to behold and I am mighty proud of him . . . . . no, hellary supporters, the man does not walk on water but I think it interesting that people make perjorative comments about him that reveal the awe in mindset of people who make those comments: you try to overcome your awe with vehement negative statements - the audicity of O-BA-MA!! ought to be inspirational to your aspirations
Name: professo285
Comment: If this is the case, this is a true definition of vindictiveness going on. Also, if true, Clinton and this so called supporter of hers better be careful because what goes around comes around. However, Rev. Wright was in control and he should have handled it much better than what he did.
Name: professo285
Comment: Iss CNN getting on anyone's nerves with this %*$!!!!! It looks as if they're the biggest media organization that is dwelling on this and is making it more difficult for Obama.
Name: CRENEEJ
Comment: professo, why should someone make it easy for BO? and Harris, please. i don't think anyone here is making vehement negative statements about BO, so that's more directed at another site. and the only reason Rev. Wright did so much damage is b/c he pulled the curtain up before BO could 'put on his face', and now a lot of people are looking at him differently. he painted himself into this corner. i believe he can come back from this, but ultimately i don't really care if he does. any democrat is better than a rethuglican so i'd get over it. let's not forget that i hear aka read so many insults about HRC on this site and on CNN, it's ridiculous....
Name: McNasty
Comment: If it wasn't a ploy by the clintons why didn't the black pawn in clinton's camp invite hagee and parsley so they could all explain their remarks?! I'm about sick and tired of black folks following so close behind those clintons they can't see what is right in their faces. We can talk conspiracy theories all day long but as long as we continue to jump from bandwagon to bandwagon we have no one to blame but ourselves. Since this all happened sillary continues to campaign like she is oblivious to what her camp is up to and for me that is suspect. She has never missed an opportunity to twist, turn and misconstrue Obama's words but right now she is suspiciously quiet. DON'T GIVE UP - GO OBAMA!
Name: kwrob
Comment: Now these organizers stated that Wright was invited abouta year before this whole dust up. But everybody knows that speakers get uninvited to speak at events all the time, based on that speaker being in a controversial situation. I'm sure they could have scheduled someone else to speak in place of Wright, if they really wanted to. Reynolds has played the role of Linda Tripp in this situation, and Wright was a virtual Lewinsky.
Name: Renetta
Comment: I live in a building full of Rev Wright church members and even THEY think he went over the top to the white press. "Rev" Barbara Reynolds is another sell-out turncoat liar supporting a liar (hillary). This race goes on GOD will not be stopped. God picked him NOT hillary.
Name: McNasty
Comment: Tavis' commentary is on now and he likens the media storm about Rev. Wright to crack and he asks what does the Rev. remarks have to do with the price of gas? with the medical care I can't afford, with the house I just lost. He is saying that there has been so much on this nothing of a story some are fiending for it like the crack pipe. One good point we need to take the energy we are using on this board and bombard MSNBC with questions about the issues on the table, not about what a church man said. He went on to say that while Wright may have been wrong about where AIDS came from it matters not because nobody died - bushit=4,000 and still counting.
Name: BlkATLTop
Comment: Just because she asked him to speak doesn't mean he had to accept the offer.
Name: McNasty
Comment: BlkATL preachers don't turn down opportunities to speak - try again.
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: CRENEEJ, my humble opinions are derived from surfing blogosphere sites including EUR . . . . . . think about this: this article in today's EUR has already been done to death out on other sites in the blogosphere . . . . . . . O-BA-MA!! has not been boxed into a corner but MSM media would love to have people think that he is
Name: PRDC
Comment: If this is true, its no surprise. There is always one that will do this to their race....so sad
Name: CRENEEJ
Comment: harris, i beg to differ. it's not that he's really losing support. allegedly his 'approval ratings' are down, but do prospective candidates have 'approval ratings'? but i digress, he presented this picture of a person who wants a transparent gov't, and people involvement, and that he's not your typical politician, when he is.... now say what u want. he has been boxed into a corner b/c he presented himself as squeaky clean not resorting to negativity, but now needs to so what does he do? does he go negative? they'll jump all over him for that... does he stay silent? they'll call him a coward and jump all over him for that too. i think from the very beginning he should have handled this better, but what's done is done. also for whoever ^^^ that said God will not be stopped, and God has decided. did God tell you that? cuz i'd love to have that type of convo w/ him. noone knows what God has decided, and everything that happens is according to his perfect will, so if BO loses, it is also because of GOD's PERFECT WILL!!!
Name: Grace12_34
Comment: The only thing that can "save" Barack now is a NEW CAMPAIGN MANAGER -- a brilliant, albeit ruthless, one.
Name: Winn30344
Comment: Excellent point McNasty that I never thought of..why wasn't other ministers invited? Hagee was just with McCain in New Orleans still making those insulting, homophobic and racist statements and that's not newsworthy since that's the reason they're saying Rev. Wright was invited?
Name: soulmusic101
Comment: Do the math, Super and Pledged Delegates favor Obama. This is just a distraction from the issues that count. See ys at the gas pump.
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: yeah, soul, at the gas pump and the grocery store where prices are also jacked up
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: a politician is not squeaky clean and/or above the fray because he proposes to discuss issues and then is hypercritical when he goes toe-to-toe with a negative ad producing opponent . . . . . for certain, when a campaign goes negative, it is very difficult not to respond as in Pennsylvania when hellary's negative ads were put on blast immediately by her opposition . . . . . now, hellary's 527 supporters are robo-calling with bad voter registration information and that type of thing has to be dealt with immediately . . . . . . in 2004 during the general election, Ohio AAs were called and told they could wait and vote the next day: in AA voting districts, fewer voting machines were available, the lines were longer and some people didn't get to vote, especially the next day . . . . . as one routinely sees, some negative ads are not just ad hominem attacks on opponents, they are community-based negative attacks to disenfranchise voters
Name: BlkATLTop
Comment: McNasty- you wrote- "preachers don't turn down opportunities to speak - try again." No need to try again. I stand by what I wrote. Just because she extended the offer, he didn't have to accept it.
Name: Train
Comment: Rev. Wright need to sit his old azz down somewhere. He should know how much harm he's doing to Sen. Obama and he doesn't seem to give a dayum because it's all about him now. The hell with him.
Name: LazySusan
Comment: I actually am beginning to feel sorry for Billary supporters. I truly am. Hillary knows she can't win this nomination. And yet like the criminal she is, she still continues to take money from supporters....and it's probably used to cover her debts. So people like Barbara Reynolds and others, should either prepare themselves to either vote for Barack Obama, vote for John McCain, or some third party candidate. As for Rev. Wright, I still think he's probably resented Barack Obama for awhile and Sen. Obama was just unaware of it. Just from some of the things I've seen from the gossiping pundits, I think this may be yet another pseudo-scandal that the great senator may bounce back from as well.
Name: dport
Comment: Why are some of you blaming yt? Sometimes we really are our own worst enemy!! I just don't understand when we were so close that one of our alleged own who brags/speaks about being light-skinned has brought the downfall of what could be our first African-American president. This so reminds be me of the slaying of Malcom-X. Sometimes were our own worst enemy.
Name: dcdouglass01
Comment: I mentioned some of the conspiratorial dynamics that could possibly be in play the other day and this connection just adds to those suspicions. However, since I'm not a resident of any of the states that are in play this coming Tuesday, there's nothing I can do except wait. And send in a $25 campaign donation.
Name: McNasty
Comment: Winn the story about sillary's preacher being sentenced today for molesting a 7 year old is on another BLACK website but I have yet to hear about it in mainstream news. MSNBC should have jumped on that just like they did the Rev. Wright story. We come to this board to this story instead of using the power of the pen (e-mail) and MSNBC is getting away with all this biased reporting. Every national news station that has reported this story ad nauseum should have an e-mail from every Obama supporter - that's if we're serious about our support and the slant the msm are putting on this campaign. It galls me that it is painfully obvious that even sillary thinks she can't win - otherwise she would fight fair - as it is she and her campaign staffers can't get any lower in my eyes.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Ok this is stupid subject..really stupid. So did Hellary MAKE Rev. Wright have the press conference? Did Hellary have some sort of "convo w/god" where he told her that "the Rev. go act a complete fool, please invite him." This is silly season for sure. Rev. Wright was the who accepted the invitation even if it was as the invite of a Clinton supporter. More importantly, w/all this talk from black folk about "he's derailing his campaign," Fk outta here. If anybody will be responsible for Wright, it will be Barack H Obama. He said he was the "crazy uncle" so he knew he was a fewl a long time ago. It's HIS fault for not handling it. That's like inviting your loud azz, uncouth, uncle (who always get's drunk and shows out at any and every function) to your wedding and then get pizzed w/him when he shows out. No, that's YOUR fault. Your uncle was being who he is. Let's put the REAL blame where it lies. If there was no relationship...this wouldn't be a story.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: BTW, MSNBC was our beloved station when there was good reporting on Obama..now they're the anti-christ. Well, IMO, they never stopped being the anti-christ and I have never given them a break on their poor campaign coverage.
Name: McNasty
Comment: BlkATL when have you ever known a preacher to turn down an opportunity to speak? That's all I'm saying - this one just happened to think he needed to defend himself and he took the opportunity to showboat a little and throw up his fraternity sign.
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: if O-BA-MA!! prevails and becomes the democratic candidate for the general election, his supporters will have to love and respect Rev. Wright for the inspiration that he provided to his spiritual son, to move beyond Rev. Wright as Michelle says, and to be mobilized in every state to encourage the vote and to function as election day monitors
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: By Nedra Pickler . . . . . May 1, 2008 WASHINGTON (AP) — A leader of the Democratic Party under Bill Clinton has switched his allegiance to Barack Obama and is encouraging fellow Democrats to "heal the rift in our party" and unite behind the Illinois senator. Joe Andrew, who was Democratic National Committee chairman from 1999-2001, planned a news conference today in his hometown of Indianapolis to urge other Hoosiers to support Mr. Obama in Tuesday's primary, perhaps the most important contest left in the White House race. He also has written a lengthy letter explaining his decision that he plans to send to other superdelegates. "I am convinced that the primary process has devolved to the point that it's now bad for the Democratic Party," Mr. Andrew said in a telephone interview with the Associated Press. Bill Clinton appointed Mr. Andrew chairman of the DNC near the end of his presidency, and Mr. Andrew endorsed the former first lady last year on the day she declared her candidacy for the White House. Mr. Andrew said in his letter that he is switching his support because "a vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote to continue this process, and a vote to continue this process is a vote that assists (Republican) John McCain."
Name: krizdj
Comment: Why isn't there a thorough examination of HRC and McCains pastors sermons. Can't we find some soundbites of controversial things their pastors said and loop them over and over to put this all into perspective. It would be interesting what HRC pastors have said about gay rights for example.
Name: Exmun
Comment: A lot of ya'll are missing the facts and are resorting to media spin for argument and discussion points. It is a FACT that Barack Obama is leading in pledged and total delegates by a margin of somewhere between 135 and 150. It is a virtual MATHEMATIC IMPOSSIBILITY for Hillary to even catch up let along surpass him in delegates. All this media spin and Clinton spin about popular vote and "electability" are the creation of people who are hell bent on changing the rules to win (Clinton) or hell bent on continuing the soap opera (mainstream media) so that they can continue to get record ratings for the coverage of a presidential primary. There is NO WAY that the Democratic party superdelegates choose Clinton over Obama. No way. They will not risk tearing the party apart and having black folk and young folk stay home in November. The vast majority of uncommitted superdelegates (many of whom are close to the Clintons) are looking for the race to seal the fate of the losing candidate so that they can save face by saying that Obama has won the most delegates and should be the nominee. It's their only way to not offend Bill and Hillary, whom many are close to or indebted to. The media would have you believe otherwise that there is a chance for Hillary to win this thing, but it is not going to happen. So stop talking like this Wright thing is the deathblow to Obama. Wright said what he said because he wanted to. I've known a lot of people like him and their sense of right and wrong along with a dash of ego doesn't permit them to back down, especially when there's a few dollars on the table and a bright limelight to espouse their opinions... regardless of the cost. Don't buy the media hype. Wright was never news. This story is a media creation for ratings and the dollars that come with them.
Name: McNasty
Comment: http://www.uticaod.com/homepage/x1637676857 - this is the link about sillary's jailed pastor.
Name: fanteeking
Comment: EXMUN, your post makes a whole lotta of sense. You analyze the total problem and give a SOLOMONIC explanation. Can't nobody argue with you 'bout nuthin'!!!
Name: naturalsista
Comment: not in support of hillary but the convicted minister was a miinister of a church in clinton, ny not the clinton's former pastor.
Name: javone77
Comment: Good morning everyone!!! Taurus: Hey darling. I see you are already up and passionate today :) Creenej: I saw that video. Lawd have mercy. let the bodies hit the floor! let the bodies hit the floor! Lawd...those folks were falling the hell out in droves!!! LOL I am CONVINCED that if you tell white people that the moon is made of cheese, they will be trying to jump on a space shuttle and go see what it tastes like. LOL You don't see black people on Benny Hinn. White people will believe that this lily white woman is just like them and has struggled. Struggling to her is not being able to get her roots dyed. I am done with people being stupid. My tolerance for it is extremely low.
Name: CRENEEJ
Comment: ummm McNasty, i was looking, and it said something about him being the pastor of a church in Clinton not the pastor of the Clintons...get your facts straight....
Name: javone77
Comment: OFF TOPIC. NEWS FLASH!!!!! Mariah Carey and Nick Cannon are ENGAGED. Let's take bets on if they make it to the altar. and if they do...how long it lasts. smh Again...low tolerance for stupid.
Name: CRENEEJ
Comment: JAV, wasn't it hilarious... LOL!!!! but his struggle wasn't the same either so who's to say who struggled more? i'm just sayin..and did anyone read in the audacity of hope about how BO picked his friends to not appear a certain way? i didn't read the book, but i heard, so i'm asking just in case some of u did read it..
Name: fanteeking
Comment: Javone77, "that this lily white woman is just like them and has struggled". I'd love it if Barack takes the gloves off and says, "with all due respect, Ms. Clinton, BUT you call me ELITIST, but you and your hubby has "amassed" 110 MILLION DOLLARS since leaving the white house." and btw could you please provide us with a list of contributors to Bill's library."
Name: CRENEEJ
Comment: JAV, oh say it AINT so. o well who cares, really.... ummmm her album is ok, nothin to brag about and well he's a good businessman i'll give him that. smh
Name: javone77
Comment: Okay...let's be real Creenej. I did the same thing. I knew and was taught by my mom and grandparens that you surround yourself with good people that can help and not hinder you when it's time to get your life going.and I am by no means an uppity person. I am real but I knew that the fools with the mouth full of gold teeth, hanging out on the corner drinking and smoking were not the people I wanted to associate with and since I am from the hood, I had to get rid of quite a few of my friends. You are the company that you keep.
Name: CRENEEJ
Comment: fantee, BO isn't financially struggling right now either so please spare me. everyone has struggled in one way or another, so what if it wasn't financial. do u think it was/is easy for her to face a nation of people who know her husband betrayed her in the most intimate of ways? how easy is it to get over a very public betrayal like that? and about the negativity, i don't hear any of the few HRC supporters calling BO any names so why does HRC have to be called hellary, sillary, or any of the other not so clever things yall come up with? aren't we all adults here? why do we need to resort to name calling?
Name: CRENEEJ
Comment: JAV, i'm asking b/c someone posted a passage on CNN from the book. I did the same thing, but the spin from the passage seemed a little iffy to me. i'm not knocking him for it, i'm just asking. and i too have had to cut some people over the years, and it sux, but i gotta do what i gotta do. some people only wanna keep u down, so i say *like Ludacris* move bytch get out the way, get out the way, get out the way... i don't have time for someone tryin to stop the Creneej express.
Name: Jacque
Comment: Just to clarify ---- the Internet is carrying stories that a former pastor of the Clintons has been convicted of first-degree sexual abuse for touching a 7-year-old girl in the wrong place. Actually, the minister in question, Rev. William Procanick, 54, is a former pastor of Resurrection %*$embly of God Church in Clinton, N.Y. Thus, the confusion over his being “a former Clinton pastor.” Hillary is a Methodist and not a member of the %*$embly of God denomination.
Name: Jacque
Comment: The censored word is as.sembly
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: here's a recent hellary jobs-to-China story that needs attention: http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=4760623
Name: javone77
Comment: Harris I saw that story last night on world news tonight. she blowing smoke up people's %*$ about the fact that bush didn't stop the transfer of those jobs when actually it was Bill who didn't stop. and she's lying about the chinese and how much information they knew.
Name: javone77
Comment: I am looking forward to seeing their speech from The today show when I get home. I loved Michelles's response when Merecith kept asking her about the rev. Michelle finally just said that Barack had already answered that extremely well and that the conversation about it was pintless because it was not helping with anything. Classy. Cause a heffa like me would have had to take the gloves off for a second. lol
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: from a huffingtonpost writer:I've spent all night playing the new Grand Theft Election VIII and it's the most exciting First Political Shooter since the original Grand Theft Election: Bush v. Gore. I don't want to ruin the game for you, but it's just so huge that there's enough game play to last until August...or June, in case your Mom and Howard Dean come into your room and tell you to stop playing. With all the hype, you've heard the basics of Grand Theft Election VIII by now -- you duck sniper fire, attempt to control superdelegates and do whatever you need to do to win the election. Here are my favorite missions.... ******Loose Cannon - This is where the fun starts -- as Hillary Clinton. You can literally do or say anything you want - switch accents, change your biography from state to state, and even change the rules as you go along. It's really exhilarating -- the first time you realize you can run up to the Straight Talk Express, grab John McCain from the driver's seat, throw him to the ground, and then actually hijack the bus to run over Barack Obama while your character cackles wildly in 7.1 surround sound. That's when you understand what politics is really all about. ******Whack Judas - Playing as Bill Clinton, you get a tip from a very realistic avatar of James Carville. (Insider sources say they reused the Golem avatar from the Lord of the Rings video game.) You pilot Revenge Force One to New Mexico where you track down Gov. Bill Richardson, who has grown a beard to disguise himself. When news cameras catch you beating Richardson over the head with a churro, you must angrily point at the camera and deny that you hit him or that you were ever in New Mexico. Bonus points if you can convince reporters that Richardson was actually playing 'La Raza' card and that Richard was hitting YOU in the hand with a churro. ******Operation None Of Your Business - In this short episode, you are Chelsea Clinton. Avoid reporters, students who ask difficult questions, and being treated like an adult who is shilling for a political campaign. In this mission, you don't kill anyone; your goal is to get journalists fired. *******Reject, Denounce, Fillet - The gameplay moves to North Carolina and Indiana, where you play as Barack Obama. When two months of rejections and denunciations aren't enough to disassociate yourself from Rev. Wright, the only way to satisfy the press is to slice him up with a machete in a prime time Fox News special hosted by Flavor Flav and Dog the Bounty Hunter. ******Strategy Hint: Go for a quick kill and you lose because Sean Hannity says you didn't show Commander In Chief strength by drawing out the pain. Take your time and you lose because Sean Hannity says you were indecisive. Best solution: take out Sean Hannity first.
Name: asize12
Comment: I haven't read any of the previous posts, but I just have to make this comment. Can somebody tell me WHY Hillary appeared on O'Reilly? I couldn't believe it...I don't know why I'm so amazed. Her doing an interview with that racist redneck speaks volumes about her...
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Exmun..why is that so hard to figure out? Is it because we are so reliant on the media to make and report the news that we just can't think for ourselves. It's crazy. I don't care what ne1 says, it was a sad day in black america that yet another black person had to disassociate from a relationship w/Farrakhan that they've never had. It's a horrible standard. It is a modern day lynching seeing a black person having to apologize for what their pastor says and even worse when black commentators co-sign it. I have been to churches that have damned homos to hell, bashed bush, talked about slavery, america, ex-slaveowning presidents etc. Rest assure, the black church IS under attack and the next black national figure will have his/her pastor's sermons scrubbed and it's nothing we should say but, "that's the game." Crenee...there are names created for Bush, Cheney, Condi, Al, Jessie, Hellary, and even Obama by those who are not in their corner. This election doesn't differ in that regard. You may not see Hillary supporters on 'this' board calling Obama names. But, I can azzure you that he's being called erthing but a child of the king on other sites. Hell, Rev. Wright is being called names that I don't agree w/.
Name: javone77
Comment: Harris: ROFL that was too funny. I agree with that last statement though. he is just too transparant.
Name: CRENEEJ
Comment: HARRIS, ok, i just watched the story. Bill authorized the sale w/ the promise that it couldn't move until 2005. GWB let them move in 2003. she didn't say that GWB allowed for the sale, just for the move. ummmm no dice on that one. and let me ask u this one as well: if she did come out and say well this was bill's idea and i think it was a bad idea, that would make her look bad too. if she disagreed w/ him at the time, it's not like she could really go public w/ that.
Name: javone77
Comment: see that's the problem Creenej. She claims that she is her own candidate wbut when it suits her she has no problem with calling on her husband's presidency as her "experience". truth be told...she has just about as much experience as Barack. The only thing she is ecperienced in is lying.
Name: yunvme
Comment: Sorry, but I got to laugh at all the people posting links to "former Clinton pastor". Pick all your faces up off the ground. Comedy at its finest.
Name: Exmun
Comment: Musb, I agree with you and Rev. Wright on his point that this media story is a not-so-veiled attack on the Black church. Truth be told, as much as I hate to admit it Al Sharpton's approach would have been the best to shut this MF down. Sharpton (for all his flaws) would have asked each reporter asking about Wright's sermons how many times they've ever been in a Black church service. The truth about it is that MOST of the reporters creating this Wright media stories have never even seen the entire 2-3 sermons that were looped over an over in this Wright fiasco. Can you think of something so irresponsible... people reporting (as fact) on something they haven't fully reviewed? Didn't that Back reporter Jason Blair get fired from the NY Times for making up stories. What's differnt here? Case in Point, the Damn National Press Club HOST and chief question-asker admitted to Rev. Wright in the post speech Q&A that she hadn't reviewed the entire sermon (the one with the 'chickens coming home to roost' comment). I'll repeat... her group invited Jeremiah Wright to the shindig, prepared questions in advance and hadn't even bothered to look at the ENTIRE sermon before she decided to ask questions about the sermon on national TV. This kind of media irresponsibility needs to be check and challenged loudly. YT has no place to judge the traditions of Black churches. The Black church is DIFFERENT than your typical white church. I've attended both types and there are marked differences. It's a damn shame that Barack is too classy to get into this debate. Because an offensive approach to question the reporters asking dumb questions will easily shut the mofo down.
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: hey, O-BA-MA!! made the Time100 in the "Leaders and Revolutionaries" group . . . http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804 ,1733748_1733757_1736048,00.html . . . Barack Obama ******By Deval Patrick****** The first time I met Barack we had coffee together at a shop in downtown Chicago. He was in a small law firm, and I was at the Justice Department's civil rights division in the Clinton Administration. Like many who meet him, I hoped he would one day run for public office. You just want people of his caliber to lead. When at last he decided to run for the Illinois Senate, he called to ask for my help, and I was eager to give it. "I'll contribute at the max," I pledged. "Deval," he said, "in Illinois there is no max." I said, "Brother, I'm sorry, there has to be a max!" Barack, 46, has already changed American politics. We often hear about the size of the crowds he attracts, as a measure of the excitement about his candidacy. It's the variety of the crowd that is the real phenomenon: little kids who sit on the floor in front of the podium, and the 101-year-old gentleman who stood up from his wheelchair in Iowa and said, "I'm with him too." Farmers in overalls next to people in business suits. Every race, religion and creed. Every political party and no party at all. You can feel their excitement about being in Barack's presence—and about being in the presence of one another. They glimpse for a minute what it might be like to find common cause across differences. That's how Barack has changed politics. ******Patrick is governor of Massachusetts
Name: javone77
Comment: Now ya'll KNOW it's about to jump off. Micael Moore has gotten into the act LOL http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/01/moore- clinton-is-trying-to-scare-voters/
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Crenee..I just watched the clip as well. Based on it, this is what I see: Hellary is in Vallaparaiso(sp) decrying the 2003 move of Mangnequench (makes high tech magnets included in defense application such as smart bombs) to china and now China has a monopoly on the technology. She says that the "chinese bought Magnequench and then they decided they were going to move the 'whole' company from Indiana to China." She is criticizing Bush for dropping the ball on a national security issue by allowing the company to be "moved" to China back in 03. She isn't necessarily incorrect. She just omits critical info that would put her argument against Bush in context. It's more of the Clinton triangulating. The company was "sold" in 1995 under Clinton despite national security concerns in part because the companies were owned by sons-in-law of ex-chinese leader, Dong Zhou Ping (sp). As part of the buy, they only agreed to keep technical production/jobs in the US until 2005. They reneged and did it in 2003. So, the company was "sold" under her husband and although they may have promised not to move until a certain date, they never promised it wouldn't be moved at all. So she's going around beating up Bush for something her husband approved...despite the same concerns she claims to have now about jobs/national security. She may have been opposed to the initial sale. But, it was under her previous joint presidency that it was approved. They just moved it (the company they already owned) two years early. It's called triangulation.
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: Chris Rock is in the Time100 also and this is what Seinfeld says are favorite Rock-isms: ******On John McCain's age: "How you going to make decisions about the future when you aren't going to be here?" ****** On the primaries: "What are superdelegates anyway? Certain white people count for nine?" ******On black people not voting for Obama: "He reminds me too much of me." ******On race: "Marion Jones is in jail. Don't you feel safe?" ******[pure Chris]"When I heard they were trying to get rid of the word n_____, I told my accountant to buy 800 shares of coon."
Name: Calidee
Comment: I think there are a lot of non-Black people who like Obama and what he stands for, but can't bring themselves to vote for him. It's sort of like someone who says that they like Black people but they wouldn't want one to marry their daughter. Obama addressed the Wright issue a long time ago. Reasonable people accepted this. Rev. Wright did not hurt Obama. Rev Wright exposed those people who were'nt going to support Obama anyway. On one hand we talk about how we need to have an honest talk about race issues or we say that non-Black support of Obama is proof that we are dealing with race issues. But then we accuse one Black man of single handedly destroying Obama's chances of becoming President. What kind of racist BS is that?
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: musb, I likey: Clinton triangulating
Name: fanteeking
Comment: CRENEEJ: Here we go again! Obama reported about 4 million to the IRS largely from his book sales BUT Bill and Hillary reported 110 MILLION for 'speaking engagements' and book sales!!! What words could be sooooo novel and enlightening that they could command 110 MILLION DOLLARS? Since you're a Hillary supporter could you PPPUUULLLLEEEZE find out what those precious words are so I can go around blabbing them out in public & private venues so I "kin mak'sum money". As far as calling the Clintons various names, just go to some of those Clinton/McCain websites and see how the "N" word is being tossed around. You seem to ALWAYS criticize the Obama supporters but give racist yt folks (repubs) a "free pass". Whatz up wit' dat? We may call them the Clintoons, Billiary and fatt legged lady, we NEVER go postalically racist. We just have that extra integrity embedded in our DNA.
Name: javone77
Comment: ROFL @ fat legged lady LOL
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Exmun..if the moderator had been "only" civil to Wright, I would think differently. But, when you didn't see the entire sermon, then ask him a question about 30 seconds of it, what do you expect? When you ask him, "was Obama a regular churchgoer or was he alseep in the pews when he was there?" What sort of appropriate response is there. They wanted a full mea culpa...complete acquiesence. BUT, he was "in your face" and it pizzed yt folk off. That would explain why she kept having to shhh the audience because each and every time, she came to him w/some bullshyt and he threw it (while definately performing) back in her face. Notice how after each quip, the audience were amen'ng like they were in a Baptist church. "I" don't have a problem w/it mainly because that's exactly how I am. Ask me some stupid shyt, insult my intelligence, try to embarass me if you want, and I'll throw it right back at ya. That is Al Sharpton through and through. Yes, its bad that it may affect Obama's bid. But, he was the one who was friends w/him. Don't hate on Wright. Hate on Obama
Name: javone77
Comment: "If one candidate's trying to scare you and the other one's trying to get you to think, if one candidate's appealing to your fears and the other one's appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope." Bill Clinton in 2004 I wonder if Bill still means that today. Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm
Name: dcdouglass01
Comment: LOL, HarrisThomas, on the Chris Rock excerpts. Rock ain't got no dayum sense.
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: well, fanteeking, on a board last week, I did refer to hellary as having balls [you know, real nuts] and I have been confirmed because one of her endorsers, yesterday, referred to her "testicular fortitude" probably 'cause he saw her nuts in the men's room
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: musb?, please calm down . . . . . I have respect for Rev. Wright and O-BA-MA!! because they are both courageous, forward thinking black men . . . . . the rest is moment-to-moment dumb sh!t that comes from living a meaningful, productive life
Name: Renetta
Comment: No one is hating on Wright. But he's too intelligent not to have known what time it was. He knew to pull back but he lunged forward. It's a clean break - it's over. Now Wright can say what he wants and Obama can continue his campaign. We ain't mad at him here in Chicago - he do what he do - Wright do what he do. And hillary and her child molesting clergy keep on ridin as well - with her lian azz - Bosnia, SChip Insurance, Peace in Northern Ireland and now her stupid gas break which really isn't. I'm glad this is almost over...byeeeee hillaryeee and billleeeeee
Name: fanteeking
Comment: HarrisThomas: "He saw her nuts in the men's room" LMBAO!!!! You oughta quit it and go back to bed this mornin'. LOL!!! I still ain't got over you calling John McCain's wife a GERIATRIC BARBIE DOLL!!!" ERRYTIME, I SEE HER ON TV, I THINK OF YOUR VISUAL IMAGERY!!! LOL!!! CRENEEJ gonna come gunnin' for you 'cause yo' talkin' 'bout her folks!!! LOL!!!
Name: javone77
Comment: What do you know......anothe Clinton misquote: http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/
Name: fanteeking
Comment: MsBlake: Where u at?
Name: shulamite
Comment: Renetta ---> the molester pastor is from Clinton NY. He is not Hillary Clinton's pastor. Please, get it straight, bc if you repeat that misinformation on a mSM message board, you'll look like an idiot.
Name: shulamite
Comment: Rev. Wright was/is an egotistical opportunist and will probably cause BO to lose the nomination. BO was too kind to him, and expected that Rev. Wright had the maturity to go the distance in this race for the sake of black America. Evidently the man does not.
Name: JGGIRL
Comment: OBAMA picks up another superdelegate! CNN) – Democratic National Committee member John Patrick, a 31-year member of the United Steelworkers union and vice president of the Texas AFL-CIO, officially announced his support for Barack Obama Thursday. The nod is Obama’s second superdelegate endorsement of the day.
Name: CRENEEJ
Comment: FANTEE, see there u go again. i'm not worried bout the childish insults hurled at HRC or at me for supporting her. i said i was riding w/ her and i am. and whoever ^^ said how the n*word gets thrown around on other websites, well i don't go to mccain's and i haven't seen it on HRC's. i'm just gonna say this. if you try to make every black adn there are black HRC supporters feel like a turncoat for not supporting BO, then you'll be stuck if they don't vote for him based on their experiences w/ YOU.
Name: CRENEEJ
Comment: shula, for the sake of black America, please. i'm laughing at that one. what is BO being president going to do for black america? is he going to feel more pressured to alleviate the problems of african americans if he's president? has any other presidential candidate done more for us after all of the promises? has BO even made any promises regarding black America? if he gets the nod, i'm all for him, but don't be surprised if his message of hope gets watered down in the oval office. he can only do so much as president anyway. but if he gets the nod, i hope he gets a chance..
Name: barnone
Comment: just FYI, i live n israel and the news outlets that are available here are BBC, sky news, france 24 and fox. interesting all, excluding fox coverage of the u.s. elections and the wrght incident have been very different from the u.s. media. in fact a report on france 24 news today stated that obama was highly favored amongst the french over hillary, that they believed him to be the more genuine candidate and a hope for a change n international dimplomacy. even more interesting the report stated an overwhelming majority felt hillary to be insincere and unlikeable. this wright story is merely a smokescreen and distraction away from some very serious and real problems that amerikkka faces and if the people don't wake up they r going 2 b duped once again. but then again this wouldn't b surprising, afterall u have 2 b borderline insane 2 elect george dumba$$ bush not once but twice. that's truly a sign of glutten for punishment. every time i hear that man speak i cringe.
Name: kwrob
Comment: You know I am starting to look at this latest incident another way. Maybe Wright did this intentionally to draw attention to himself and sever the opportunity for the media and voters to equate him with Obama going forward. He may have even done this so Obama would be forced to cut all ties with Wright publicly to get the media and political scrutiny off of him. This would be a way for Obama to be able to refocus on the issues from here on out. He may have even strategized this whole thing with Obama's camp because something as outlandish as this had to be done to derail the media's constant coupling of Obama and Wright. Think back to the antics, to him having the FOI around him, and saying Farrakhan is not his enemy. If you notice Barack got the media to back off of the Farrakhan reference by denounciing him publicly. So what would be the point of Wright talking about Farrakhan, except to force Obama to also publicly denounce him as an advisor, and even a friend?
Name: fanteeking
Comment: CREENEJ: Somehow it just seems that you're an "Naysayer" because Obama is Black. Maybe, if both of hisn parents were white then it would be a "horse of a different color" pun intended. No, Obama won't be our savior! There is a potentially kinetic saviour in each in every one of us. The task is to find that power and unleash it within our souls. Well CREENEJ at least you said you'd vote for Obama if he got the nod....didn't you. If so, it's better than you being a McCain girl!!!
Name: javone77
Comment: Kwrob: you might be on to something!
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Crenee..i'm sitting here thinking the same thing. That sounds as silly as Maya Angelou talking that stupid grade school crap about Hellary being the "prayer of every american who really longs for fair play." Some things just don't need to be said. Obama being the great black hope is one. Hellary being painted as an everyday gal who feels your pain is another. I swear, Maya looks like she's a one trip away from senility w/her god awful prose.
Name: naturalsista
Comment: CLINTON: I am not in favor of lifting the cap. O'REILLY: OK. So you're going to keep it $109,000? Howard Wolfson, what a liar. Birds of a feather flock together. CLINTON: We're going to see what happens here. O'REILLY: All right. CLINTON: We're going to — but... O'REILLY: So you're kind of waffling here, right? CLINTON: No, I'm not waffling. I'm saying I'm not going to impose additional burdens on middle-class families. And there are a lot of people... O'REILLY: But I'm not a middle-class family. I'm a rich guy. CLINTON: Well, and you know what? Rich people, God bless us. We deserve all the opportunities... O'REILLY: All right. CLINTON: ...to make sure our country and our blessings continue to the next generation.
Name: fanteeking
Comment: Barnone: You live in Israel? Well, is there still a group of African-American Jews living in a place called Demona or Desmona in southern Israel? Years ago, while taking summer courses at the University of Ghana-Legon Campus, a group from Chicago came and stayed at my dormitory, Mensah Sabra and Akwafu Hall and they were enroute to Israel. Their leader was a former Chicago transportation worker and they were very pleasant and interesting individuals. I remember being amused when I'd see the children enter the dining room with these GIGANTIC boxes of Kellog's corn flakes. Ghanaans didn't know what those big boxes were. They wanted to serve us ground nuts and okra. LOL!!
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Kwrob, Wright was "asked" about Farrakhan. He didn't volunteer to talk about him.
Name: fanteeking
Comment: Musbherb: About 10 years ago, Maya came here for a book signing at a Black book store. All I can say is that Sistagurl sho-nuff loves that Old Grandad!!
Name: javone77
Comment: naturalsista: I sent the link to that same convo earlier. Isn't it amazing how her campaign claims it was a "misspeak"...again. like not knowing if someone is trying to kill you in a foreign country lol She's lying her %*$ off. She meant EXACTLY what she said. She's like the common man my behind. lol
Name: naturalsista
Comment: gotta give it to you javone77 for the link. had to get the transcript to rad it for myself since i didn't see the interview. oops to posting my opinion in the middle instead of the beginning. that statement reeked of elitism, classism and all kinds of isms.
Name: naturalsista
Comment: not my statement but hillary's statement reeks of the isms. i'm trying to multitask - figure out programming code, read the posts as well post in addition to scouring the internet for "news". so excuse any errors.
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: at this link, there are some sa-weet videos, including one about the dems primary season: http://www.slatev.com/
Name: soulmusic101
Comment: Obama keeps picking up more Super-Delegates and this Guy once supported the Clintons.
Name: soulmusic101
Comment: A leader of the Democratic Party under Bill Clinton switched his allegiance to Barack Obama on Thursday and urged fellow Democrats to end the bruising nomination fight. "This has got to come to an end," former Democratic National Committee Chairman Joe Andrew told reporters in his hometown of Indianapolis just days before Tuesday's crucial state primary. He said he planned to call all the other superdelegates he knows and encourage them to back Obama. Bill Clinton appointed Andrew chairman of the DNC in 1999, and he led the party through the disputed 2000 presidential race before stepping down in 2001. Andrew endorsed Hillary Rodham Clinton last year on the day she declared her candidacy for the White House. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/01/clinton-era-d nc-chief-bac_n_99572.html
Name: dcdouglass01
Comment: I think the superdelegates know there's no way to get around the math. After all the votes are counted, Obama will still have the lead and will be the nominee. Then come the swift boaters. But bring them on. That way they can show the world how racist America remains.
Name: bigchassie
Comment: May 1 (Bloomberg) -- Northwestern University withdrew an invitation for the Reverend Jeremiah Wright to receive an honorary degree at this year's commencement. ADVERTISEMENT Wright, former pastor to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, was selected to be honored at the June ceremony in Evanston, Illinois, on the recommendation of faculty committees, Alan Cubbage, vice president for university relations, said in a statement. ``In light of the controversy around Dr. Wright and to ensure the celebratory character of commencement not be affected, the university has withdrawn its invitation to Dr. Wright,' Cubbage said. Obama, an Illinois senator, has repeatedly denounced Wright's statements, which have included praise for Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan and a suggestion that the U.S. government was capable of developing AIDS to infect black people.
Name: bigchassie
Comment: Wright's statements ``offend me, they rightly offend all Americans and they should be denounced and that's what I'm doing very clearly and unequivocally today,' Obama said in a news conference in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, on April 29. Obama's relationship with Wright came under renewed scrutiny when his former pastor repeated some of his statements, including that U.S. policy was partly to blame for the Sept. 11 attacks, during a speech at the National Press Club in Washington on April 28. To contact the reporter on this story: Julianna Goldman in Washington at jgoldman6@bloomberg.net ;
Name: shulamite
Comment: creneej wrote--> "what is BO being president going to do for black america?" If I actually have to answer this question, then we as a people are in far worse shape than I ever imagined.
Name: shulamite
Comment: dcdouglass--> It depends on what happens in NC. That will decide the supedelegates once and for all concerning BO. I'm just praying that the black vote will not split in that state over this Wright issue; if it does, he's done.
Name: shulamite
Comment: This is what I think happened with BO and Wright. Trinity is "the" church to be for upwardly mobile black folk, esp local politicians. BO is biracial and found acceptance of him at Trinity (a black church in a lily white UCC denomination; and these guys are heavy on unity as a theology anyway).
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: co-sign you, shula, ******Name: shulamite Comment: creneej wrote--> "what is BO being president going to do for black america?" If I actually have to answer this question, then we as a people are in far worse shape than I ever imagined.
Name: soulmusic101
Comment: shulamite...The Super Delegates have already decided behind closed doors, the race is over, Obama is the one. It's just a matter of the SD's saying this to the Public.
Name: Winn30344
Comment: Did y'all hear the news..the Washington DC madam has committed suicide but no suicide note found yet. Sounds suspicious to me; she was getting ready to name names and now she's dead..
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: Winn, I'm so confused . . . . . I surfed all over the place and initially, there were reports that a note was found but that the content was being withheld
Name: Winn30344
Comment: Darn HT..I thought I read there wasn't one..sorry if I got it wrong; let me go to some more sites..
Name: Winn30344
Comment: You're right HThomas..notes found but not disclosed..sorry..
Name: bigchassie
Comment: WINN/HARRIS>i wonder who is on that list....
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: bigchassie:...I BET IT AIN'T....OBAMA!!!
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: from politico.com: May 01, 2008 . . . . Jewish supporters buying ad for Obama A group of Obama's Jewish supporters are raising money for a supportive ad in the New York Times, according to a copy of an email from an Obama backer, Chicago lawyer Jack Levin . . . . . "A group of Jewish Americans all across the U.S. believe Barack Obama would make the best president and hence are in the process of preparing a full-page New York Times ad -- to be signed by all of us who would like to be included -- showing the U.S. Jewish community?s widespread support for Barack," Levin writes, adding that the ad's sponsors will be known as "American Jewish Patriots." . . . . . The need for such an ad is a mark of Obama's continuing struggle to secure the allegiance of Jewish voters -- typically a solidly Democratic group -- in the face of often inchoate concerns, urban legends, and viral emails that he's worked hard to rebut.
Name: shulamite
Comment: Sorry, I got cut off from my thoughts. This is what I think happened with BO and Wright. Trinity is "the" church to be for upwardly mobile black folk, esp local politicians. In addition, BO is biracial and found unconditional acceptance of him at Trinity (a black church in a lily white UCC denomination; a denomination which is heavy on unity in diversity as a basic theology). Barack felt safe there and could form his adult identity as a black man there. However, Rev. Wright knows that BO was ALSO there in large part for political acceptance and reputation. Now, we all know that BO hardly physically attended church there. As a public figure, he just traveled too much. Anynbody with half a brain would know this. So of course, he probably did miss out on some of Rev. Wright's more colorful sermons. And it s true that as people age and reach "posterity", as Rev. Wright was doing, they just let it all hang out. Compare Bill Cobsy now to who he was 20 years ago, and you'll see the parallels in "I'll say what I damn well feel like saying" attitude. So, Re. Wright probably HAS gotten more vitriolic in his delivery over the past few years (and with Bush, perhaps with good reason). Now, Rev. Wright probably was ticked as all get out that BO "used" his church for a political stepping stone and then had the nerve to politely distance himself last January 2007 and again in Feb 2008. JW wasn't having it, and his cadre of black preacher friends probably egged him on to finally let loose this week. "Man don't let him do you like that.. I don't care who he thinks he is... You're a man of Gawwd... You better show him you that you're still his senior, and he ain't nothin but an upstart, etc..." Barack didn't see that coming. His vision and the vision of his campaign members is so unified and on point (to the likes of what this nation hasn't seen since the civil rights era), he just didn't forsee that Rev. Wright wasn't down with the vision and felt sold out by the political process. I think the friendship is gone. Perhaps one day Rev. Wright will have the humility to realize that his reaction was immature and damaging to BO - and in my opinion - to black America.
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: co-sign, shulamite, well said . . . . . with regard to Cos, he changed drastically after his son was killed
Name: shulamite
Comment: I also want to comment on the "government created AIDS" statement. Nothing could be farther from the truth and for any black person to actually believe that is mind boggling to me. We will never be politically relevant if we don't educate ourselves first. HIV came from animals, converted into humans from somewhere (doesn't matter) and took off in populations that were sexually risky. Period. We can't create viruses, because we don't *understand* viruses. In this country, there is NO scientific knowledge that is on the down low. Peer review, peer competition and the reality that "great minds, in fact, DO think alike" make down-low scientific research impossible. If a "secret" researcher is thinking it, please know that 10 other "non-secret" researchers are thinking it - and publishing it- too. And frankly, what propels research is funding. And, trust, government labs don't have it. Government basic research is among the worst supported endeavor in the nation as has been for quite some time.
Name: bigchassie
Comment: TAURUS>nah, i don't think so either. shoot OB loves michelle like crazy!
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: bigchassie:...Aaaaaaand, THAT ain't HIS style!!!! Now those OTHER mo fo's....HELL YEAH!!!!! They couldn't BARE to have something like THAT come out NOW!!! Over-shadow ALL THEIR HARD WORD & ALL!!???? You know what I'm sayin!!!!
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Shula..that's an interesting perspective if you buy into the "jealously" angle that many are trying to put out there in order to explain "how could wright do this to a black man." I don't buy it though. It's been over almost two months since the story broke and Wright hadn't said nething til now..even though him, his church, and his religion has been dragged through the mud. He showed his azz. Oh well. It won't be the last time a black man does that...Obama being president or not. You can replace Wright's name w/Al Sharpton and the comparisons and condemnation from black america and the media will be just the same. The difference is that most people realize that whatever they say about Al needs to be done outside of his earshot cuz he'll rip 'em a new one.
Name: bigchassie
Comment: HEY TAURUS>you know what WOULD be a trip??....the name on that list....BILL CLINTON! LOL!!!
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: bigchassie, how about Dubya?
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: bigchassie:...I know huh???? Bill OR John!!! And probably NOT THAT FAR from the TRUTH!!! Know you!???
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: And what about that wire tapping thing that just.....went away!!???? I wonder if THAT was how they "found out" about this madam!!?
Name: bigchassie
Comment: HARRIS/TAURUS>hey, who knows?? yall may be right. and you know they are gonna cover that up quicker than Cheney's huntin gun! lol!
Name: shulamite
Comment: musbdherbs wrote "it's been over almost two months since the story broke and Wright hadn't said nething til now". Well, I guess he had a lot of pent up feelings, then. People can hold on to a lot of resent for a while, and then given the right trigger (eg. I need to show these arrogant white reporters how smart I am, how dare they bait me with questions) he just lost it. Christian scripture says "be slow to anger, slow to speak, and quick to listen, for by doing this you serve the will of God" (James chapter 1). We all miss it and screw up; Rev. Wright just did at the near wrongest time in American history. That's all. :-(
Name: bigchassie
Comment: ...quicker than locking up the booze from the Bush girls!
Name: bigchassie
Comment: TAURUS>Ummmmhummm....
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Shula...oh lawd..I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. HOWEVER, did you just say that the gov't can't create viruses because we don't *understand* them? Does that not mean that we also wouldn't be able to create cures? Do you know what is done in research facilities such as NIH or the CDC? The US created biological weapons which we sold to Sadaam. The US used black men as experiments by injecting them w/syphillis. How can you educate us on HIV w/out knowing its origin? It came from what animals? Did humans have sex w/animals and then spread it across continents? You do realize that what you posted is yet another "theory" as they still dont know how the first transmission from human to human occured. that's why it's called a theory.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: and uhm...you must didn't watch the press conference cuz nowhere in it was Wright "angry." No, Obama chose to be friends w/the wrong person during the "wrongest time in American history." Don't blame wright for Obama's obvious lack of judgment.
Name: shulamite
Comment: musbdherbs... Sit down, grasshopper, for I am about to school you. 1st point: No one can back-engineer what they don't understand, because back-engineering as a discipline requires detailed step-by-step methodology. What do you know about where viruses decide to integrate into human DNA without accidentally and permanently turing the virus off an estimated 80% occurence, btw in gene transfer? To give you spacial image, I'm asking you to show me how to throw a frisbee from the middle of Manhattan to San Francisco and make it land on Embarcadero Blvd at Warf #40. Or what can you tell me about when viruses decide to selectively turn on or off their protein production depending on the ethnicity of the host that they are in? Did the government back in the 1950s have secret knowledge of single nucleotide polymorphisms required to get specific virus protein production in black folk? The knowledge to do what your resoning would require of the government simply DID NOT exist, anywhere. And as far as creating cures (and by this, you really mean treatments) to things we don't understand, it is very easy to create cures to *symptoms* that afflict people. However, curing the actual cause of the symptom requires target validation, which requires SPECIFIC knowledge of how the target works. Which takes me back to my questions I posed above. Point #2: Syphillis was not engineered. It was gathered from the blood of previously infected people and given to black men. Point #3: We have 98% genetic identity with chimps. Seroconversion doesn't come from sex with animals. It comes from exposure to animal products (blood, improperly validated vaccines, meat). Point #4: HIV is the human version of SIV (in chimps) This type of homology is very common; not just for viruses. Point #5: IHIV would have eventually died out in humans if humans had been sexually responsible. If black people have HIV at the rates we do, and we represent the largest portion of the US population with HIV, then we have ourselves to blame. Wrap it up when you're having sex, stay monogomous with the same partner forever, or stay abstinent. The government didn't give HIV to us. We did.
Name: shulamite
Comment: The point is that the US Government hasn't "created" any biological virus. The US government can be aware of a public health concern and then choose to withold information/treatments or spread misinformation/mistreatment concerning a diease. But it cannot create a disease. It is true that the government has learned about disease progression by unfairly using particular subgroups. Blacks are just ONE of them. Orphan children are another. Prisoners are another. That's why we now have informed consent laws. But to run around saying that the government sat 60 years ago to create something that NO ONE had the tehcnology to do is just dumb. And it is even dumber to reiterate that on a disease that is behaviorally transmitted. If you don't have unsafe sex or shoot needles, you won't get the disease. It's that simple.
Name: CaliRedbone
Comment: shulamite >> what about the ones who have contracted HIV via blood transfusions before the 'awareness' was brought out?
Name: shulamite
Comment: Caliredbone, are you asking if the government purposefully allowed spreading of the disease in blood transfusions? How odd. I didn't realize that the hemophiliacs (who are mostly white, btw) had ticked the government off so badly.
Name: shulamite
Comment: I'm sorry for my snide remark. The government can't screen what it doesn't know to exist. HIV mRNA was not sequenced until the mid 1980's precisely BECAUSE the government desperately wanted to know what the "flu-like sickness" actually was (you can't grasp how many other illnesses got put on the funding backburner when HIV came out). Keep in mind that the technology to do this had just been discovered and was still being worked out (by this I mean sequencing, hybridizations), immunology for virus protein blood counts). Like I said, you cannot engineer what you don't have the technology to do. Academic researchers did not get the technology from the government after 40 years of secret research. Academics gave the government the technology and the government slowly used it to launch public health efforts to screen for the disease.
Name: CaliRedbone
Comment: noooo, shulamite, not the "government theory" there are folks that allegedly" contracted HIV/AIDS via blood transfusions
Name: shulamite
Comment: There was no "alleged" contraction via blood transfusions. That contraction was real and wiped out 90% of hemophiliacs from the US population at the time. That's why people were desperate to learn how to identify the virus. From a research point of view the time it took from people learning what the "flu-like illness" was to making a cocktail to TREAT it (not cure it) was a miracle in efficiency. That timeline has never been replicated before in any nation for any diease.
Name: Calidee
Comment: >>Shulamite You only mentioned the most common ways to get Aids not the only way.
Name: shulamite
Comment: What is your point, Calidee?
Name: spittinthetruth
Comment: Shulamite.....SHUT EM DOWN!!!!!
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