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TGen
Comment: I'm glad BO won North Carolina, but mostly I'm disappointed overall. I reaallly don't understand how EVERY poll I saw leading up to yesterday showed him ahead in BOTH NC AND IN. I soooo wanted him to euthanize his Eight Belles opponent once and for all, lol. But noooo, Indianans couldn't do it, for WHATEVER reason, they fell for the ridiculous Clinton propoganda just like PA, from the gas thing to the "obliterate Iran" thing. So I'm shaking my head this morning. I just don't get it. I don't get how people vote for a PROVEN liar (sniper fire ring a bell?) over and over again! Maybe the Limbaugh chaos thing played a role or something. I just don't know. I do know that a lot of lily white states are coming up and that is not good for Obama's momentum, less rural White folks decide to shock the world and vote for the (Gasp!) Black man! lol We'll see...
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MsBlake
Comment: YESSSSSS, congrats Obama. I'm tired as hell today ya'll, stayed up late to find out the results but it was worth it. When I heard the North Carolina result, I felt the need to get my victory dance on, desperately searching for music I went from CNN to MTV where Ashley Simpson was singing. Personally i can't stand the chick or her kind of music but I danced anyway lol, I guess thats what an Obama victory does to a sista.lol
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huey
Comment: alright hillary, its a wrap. get your luggage..i have placed all of your belongings neatly in the corner by the door, you fought the good fight, there are some lovely parting gifts for you and your family on the bus, please turn your keys and other items over to michelle and she will take it from here. good night and good luck.
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MsBlake
Comment: TV pundits can spin this result any which way they want, the fact is Obama is the clear winner today and has exceeded expectations. N. Carolina was a big win and Indiana like Guam is a virtual tie. Whatever he missed out in Indiana he gained in N. Carolina. The momentum is definitely on his side. It is funny how all the folks who were questioning lost are now doing the same to Hilary. Obama 08.
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yunvme
Comment: Stick a fork in her...she is done.
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StormyMonday
Comment: Congrats to Obama for his BIG win in NC!!! I'm proud to say that I got out and voted yesterday. And kudos to Clinton as well, gotta give honor where it's due. But, let me say something, I stayed up last night until she was declared winner on CNN in Indiana and it got ugly at the end! I have to give the black Mayor in Lake County, when he was accused of wrong doing on national TV regarding the votes by a white Indiana mayor. I thought that was in such poor taste to accuse the man and his district of tampering with votes, but the black mayor kept his cool and explained what was going on in his district. Did anyone else stay up to watch CNN? And another thing, I wish they would count those Michigan & Florida votes so Clinton can shut her pie hole up.
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MsBlake
Comment: meant to say 'questioning Obama's electibility after the Pennsylvania lost'. Heck I'm so damn excited I can't even type properly. lol
Black folks came out and represented in NC. Thank you my people and to think just a few decades ago black folks were fighting for the right to vote, now I see why THEY were scared to allow them vote - Power and change!
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MsBlake
Comment: It seems like Clinton can only rely on the superdelegates and Michigan n' Florida. She can't bring up the popular vote or delegate argument cos she is behind, can't bring up big state argument cos NC is considered a big state........I mean its getting harder and harder for her. I'm actually looking forward to seeing all the uncommitted superdelagates electric slide over to the Obama camp this week.
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huey
Comment: StormyMonday -- i watched until 11 and then i couldnt stay up any longer. i was once again impressed with the way that donna brazille put both of those talking heads on cnn in check yesterday. she let them boys have it for trying to marginalize and take the coverage into the gutter yesterday evening. she really does an outstanding job of representing people of color in general and the democratic party in particular as relates to the body politic. i must also give mad props to roland martin. he also represents us well. finally, we as a people can no longer be overlooked in this political discourse. isnt it beautiful, we can no longer be ignored at the discussion table, and that my friends are the way things-ought-to-be!! and when bed-rock becomes the commander-in-chief, people of color will finally have a seat on all of these news shows that have in the past silenced our voices and covered our faces. no more when bed-rock takes office.what a beautiful by-product this will be when we have our first african american president.
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huey
Comment: MsBlake --dont even worry about mispelled words, we are all excited.
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DrKnowItAll
Comment: North Carolina stood up for Obama last night in a big azz way!!!! The time has come for Hillary to let this campaign go and get on board with Obama. The race is over. She will only be a distraction from this point on. If Obama were in her shoes, the media would be all over him for not dropping out in a race he can't win without the intervention of Nostradamas, Whodini, and David Copperfield. I personally think Hillary is trying to raise division to a point where Obama would HAVE TO INCLUDE HER on a ticket with him. I beleive all these redneck voters on her side won't vote for Obama unless she's involved in a big way. That's her plan in my opinion. I think either John Edwards or John Kerry will be his running mate, more than likely John Kerry. I'm proud my NC people out there erased national doubt about Obama with their vote. This proves to all those that doubt the voting process that VOTING DOES MATTER. It matters.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: pandering on the gas tax holiday and the constant Rev. Wright MSM coverage did not have the desired effects . . . . . the hillarious decision to remain in the race is not hers alone: the wealthy people who own her and bubba need to find a way to get their money's worth . . . . . . on May 31, hillarious is prepared to use her near majority-count minions in the dems' rules committee to change the rules regarding her "wins" in Michigan and Florida . . . . . . this woman is a loser who is demonstrating that she and her owners care nothing for the party
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HarrisThomas
Comment: O-BA-MA!! . . . . O-BA-MA!! . . . . O-BA-MA!! . . . . Yaaaaaaaay!
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GHank
Comment: There's no doubt that HRC campaign is on serious life support now. I don't have a problem at all with HRC, but at this point, it's going to take a serious miracle for her to get the nomination. Even when she is wining, she is barely wining. Like I said, I do support Hillary, but it really looks as if Obama is going to win this. Congrats to Barak!
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javone77
Comment: Good morning all!!!!! I am truly an excited woman today!! Barack whooped on that heffas HEAD! When the polls closed and they called north carolina immediately...I was like WTH?!?!? She says he was expected to win there but I don't care what she says...she didn't expect to get beat down like that. She was all krunk about winning PA by 10 (supposedly). If 10 is a definite win...what the hell is 14?!?!? It's just a ,atter of time. I think she is gonna hang on just long enough to see florida and michigan seated and then she will fly off on that broom back to NY. ;-)
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TGen
Comment: StormyMonday, no worries. They won't be counting the [illegitimate] Mich and Fl votes. They aren't THAT crazy. lol
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professo285
Comment: StormyMonday, I stayed up and was not happy at all with how CNN handled the Mayor of Lake City. Again, that's mainstream media trying to create something that wasn't there. CNN should have egg all over their face and frankly, they owe the man an apology. To sit up there and behave like cry babies just because you can't project a winner in a state is poor taste and gives me a poor view of CNN this morning. If Obama had pulled it off in Indiana, you can best believe that CNN would have been the first to make a skank of it. Instead of wining about results that were not ready yet, they should have criticized and continued to doubt things like they always do to stall time.
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dakoolestkat
Comment: Voted for Obama yesterday as well! Woo hoo! The only thing that really surprised me is that here in NC there were "long lines" of people lined up to vote as everyone was predicting..guess it really doesn't matter in the whole scheme of things...just hope we have more voter turnout in November
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shulamite
Comment: Gang --> I'm chiming in so late this morning, b/c I stayed UP until Indiana came in - lol (I'm CST)! I am the first to say with MUCH JOY that I was wrong.... I was wrong... I was wrong!!!!! NC came in in a BIG way for Barack!!!!! And so did Lake Co, IN. Dare I dream of a President Obama? Dare I dream????? I'm so giddy, I can't see straight :-)
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huey
Comment: good morteen javone77
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dakoolestkat
Comment: I meant to say there were NO long lines of people lined up..so the few that did vote made it a slam dunk
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huey
Comment: dakoolestkat & StormyMonday congrats on the pulling of the levers yesterday.
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CRENEEJ
Comment: well i just hate to be the voice of reason here, but hasn't NC historically been a red state? so just b/c he won the Dem. Primary doesn't mean he will win this state that has more Rethuglicans in November. i say congrats to him, and i do believe that she is done as well, but i'm standin w/ her til she leaves.
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shulamite
Comment: StormyMonday, I also stayed up watching that debacle of CNN and the Hammond Mayor v. the Gary Mayor. It was disgusting. But, the Gary mayor held it down. ANd, they do owe that man an apology. I'm going to write them and post on MSM boards to that effect
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DrKnowItAll
Comment: CREENEEJ, you are right. North Carolina overwhelmingly voted for Bush in 2004. That was with John Edwards, NC Senator, on the Dem. ticket. However, I believe that with all the military bases in NCie Iraq War, the economy, the gas prices, it would be a miracle or incredulous stupidity for NC to vote another Republican into office. That state, particularly the military community, has suffered big time and I hope they vote their way out of this mess...
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Platinum
Comment: Go home Hillary go home....
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TGen
Comment: Creenj, the best part about Obama is he understands what Howard Dean understood back in 2006. This whole red state/ blue state b.s. is just that. A FIFTY state strategy is the ONLY way to expand Dem support. Why concede places to the Repubs? Especially this year when EVERYONE (regardless of party) is too through with Bush (who is now officially the most unpopular president in American history I heard the other day)and the Repubs? In other words, don't sleep. North Carolina and A LOT of other "red" states WILL be in play come November. Even hicks are ready for a change. Watch...
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professo285
Comment: CRENEEJ, would would make Clinton different in November since North Carolina is a so-called "Refublican" state? The odds of Clinton winning are next to impossible and without money, she wont have to quit. her campaign will fall apart anyways.
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shulamite
Comment: TGen wroe: "Even hicks are ready for a change" LOL. Yeah, that's right. Just like broken clocks are right twice a day. :-)
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huey
Comment: CRENEEJ --and your point is? do u really think that all of these people who in these called "red states" like n.c and va. are suddenly going to vote republican in the general election. i dont buy into the conspiracy logic whatsoever. if u believe that i have a island in compton cali with a lovely view of malibu that i will sell to you for $42.63.
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CRENEEJ
Comment: professo, the odds of BO winning aren't that great either. 33% of her supporters will not support him. that's a big number of people to lose to McCain.... the thing that most people seem to forget is that these are democratic primaries, not GEs. people are voting for who they think the best democrat is. now if the rethuglicans get in his azz, which they will, who do you think will win then? personally, i don't think that either can do well w/o the other, and i don't think he'd have as much support if she weren't in the race. did anybody really care in the last democratic primaries? most of you are in your mid-30s so you were more than of age to participate and understand the stuff then. did you vote in the 2000 and 2004 primaries? if BO were running only against John Edwards do you really think this race would be front page news all the time? congrats to BO, but don't think that John McCain is going to hand it to him.
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TGen
Comment: Huey, right on. Barring some unforseen meltdown, people are not going to suddenly switch gears in November, somehow forget that they're paying $4.00/gal for gas, forget that people are still getting killed in Iraq, etc. John McCain will be the next Bob Dole--an old fogey who will get his behind handed to him on a silver platter once people get a close-up of the fresh, articulate Obama against the gaffe-prone, monotone, rehashed, wishy-washy McCain. It will be like night and day. (You figure out which will be which, lol)
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javone77
Comment: Morning huey. I too stayed up shulamite and I am CST also :) but I the sandman took me out when they hit 95% reporting lol Nowit's time for these superdelegates to go ahead and do what they do and end this. I think that now, with the discord in the republican party, most red states are not swing states. That's just my opinion.
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goodnplenty1957
Comment: BO to Hillary>>TAP TAP TAP TAP TAP...Hillary to BO; What's up with that tap tap tap??...BO to Hillary: JUST ANOTHA NAIL IN DA COFFIN'. the biggest concerns? Once BO nails (no pun intended) down the nomination, will the Hillary supporters support him or turn coat and vote for McCain?? i know this might sound far fetched, but dont be surprised after all of this BO does pick Hillary to be his running mate. i know the chances are about as much as a one-legged man winning an A$$ kickin' contest. but hey..even a blind dog can get lucky.
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GHank
Comment: huey>>>>>Creneej does make a point. yt folk can and will switch gears in a NYC minute. Barak won a hard fought contest, but the real prize is November. I personally will try to do what little I can do to help unify the democratic party and hopefully help the dems win.
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huey
Comment: CRENEEJ ---and the thing u seem to be forgetting is the number of lives that have been lost in iraq. hence, there you have one sector of your swing vote. all of those who have loved ones in iraq will certaninly pull the lever for the obama ticket and throw mccain right off of the bridge. dont forget about the sector of the voting population my friend.
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shulamite
Comment: javone77 --> it was after the 95% mark that CNN lost it's mind. They had Mayor Clay of Gary, IN and asked him no less than 10 times in a row why were the Lake Co votes in so late. He said we did not want to release any numbers until all the early and abseentee ballots were counted so that no one risked being disenfranchised (which I think was a smart strategy for Lake Co). Anyway they asked "why". He gave his answer. But why? Same answer. But why? Same answer. This literally went on just like that from 95% up to literally the 99% mark. A lesser man would have gone off on them, but Mayor Clay held it down like a professional. At 98% the Hammond mayor accused Clay of impropriety. Mayor Clay said, look the numbers are coming in. Before he finished that sentence, the final numbers came in (in Hillary's favor, no less). They didn't have the decency to apologize to that man or say thank you for staying up so late with us (around 1:30AM EST). Nothing.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: the red state/blue state division was manufactured by rethugs . . . . . people are not as delusional about the rethugs today as they were four years ago . . . . . . that's the thing: whatever worked back in the 1990s won't work today, and whatever led people to the rethugs [swiftboating, name calling, other political tricks] won't play the same today . . . . . as discussed on an EUR board yesterday, there was an article speculating in the current Newsweek magazine about why Oprah left Trinity even though the Newsweek cover story is about how the rest of the world defines itself without putting America in the definition . . . . . it's not about red/blue states, it's about the United States and who has the presidential leadership vision and management guts to play on a level global field in a manner that benefits Americans . . . . . btw, folks, the coming big battle is not about oil - it's about clean drinking water
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huey
Comment: GHank ---the same argument that CRENEEJ is attempting to make can also be reveresed and presented to the mccain ticket. mccain buried himself in his support for the iraq war and his statement that he would be willing to keep our troops there for another 100 years. i assure u that the democratic party will whip him repeatedly about the cranium with that remark until he cowers in defeat.
also, fortunately for myself and other bed-rock supporters, he is too old. it will seal his political fate. he looses his composure very quickly and it will present itself during the debate with obama.(just like he lost it on a reporter on one of his airplane interviews about two weeks ago that the media tried to cover up) i assure u, debates are were you have to be nimble in mind, body and soul. it will be his crucifixtion when he and obama face off.
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TGen
Comment: Huey, you bring something else in mind I forgot to mention. Not only the "100 years" gaffe, but also the "war for oil" comment will bury him in the coming months. Dude is not sharp, he seems mentally lazy and he will pale in comparison. But also, you bring up his temper. GOOD point! The msm has slept on this thus far, but rest assured, they will get bored enough and even they who love them some damn McCain will start focusing on this. There is some BIG-TIME dirt concerning his temper, from him PHYSICALLY attacking another politiican in the middle of a debate to him calling his wife some FOUL names in PUBLIC. This will be exposed, and questions will be raised about his temperment and if he has PTSD or not. Interestingly, BO said recently one of his biggest strengths in being Prez. is his measured temperament. I didn't see it before, but in hindsight, that was probably Obama's brilliant way of opening the door for the media to dive into McCain's past, when they inevitably start to compare and contrast. Hmmm
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FiveMore
Comment: lol @ Platinum!Looks like she will be forced to go home pretty soon(maybe!If they do not have a rabbit trick under wraps some where) I would cautiously congratulate B.O. but, y'all know how those people roll, because dirty politrix is their middle name!lol
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huey
Comment: TGen ---precisely my friend, and his repeated forgetfulness as relates to the shiites and sunnies confusion. he has made this mistake about 3 times now. people must not get lost on the fact, the importance of the debate. it is just like two boxers getting in the ring. it is the brawl for it all. you cant hide your flaws in a debate. and clearly mccain does not have the mental fortitude, lawd bless his soul to go toe-to-toe with someone as young, sharp and well prepared as barack obama. he will anihilate this old man.
im also sure that the issue of his adulterous relationship with the woman who ultimately became his second wife will be brought up repeatedly. consider if his own little "rev. wright albatross"
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dcdouglass01
Comment: Well it's done. History has been made. Barack Obama will be the first Black man to go head-to-head for President of the United States. Now of course the racists will play the Rev. Wright footage ad infinitum, and that's fine. If America wants to show the world that it remains a racist country, and would rather have four more years of Bush in the form of McCain than have a Black man as president, that's OK too. But they'll have to go to the polls and demonstrate that to the world, who once again would shake it's head at what a pitiful country we can be. But perhaps this country will surprise the world just as the great state---my home state---of North Carolina surprised the country. Let's get busy.
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TGen
Comment: DcDoglass01, I'm proud of NC, love NC to death, but sorry, it didn't "surprise the country," lol. Obama was expected to win there. Now if Kentucky or West Virgina coming up vote for him over Hill (if she's still in the race then), now THAT will be a surprise for the record books, lol.
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CRENEEJ
Comment: thank u for having my back Ghank. ummm, HUEY, my point is that there are more republicans in that state, so regardless of how many dems show up (if they do), there are more repubs and that does go by majority. and HRC supporters jumping ship is a big azz prob for BO. say what u want about John McCain. he's made some misstatements and so has BO, so don't start redecorating the yt house just yet....
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bigchassie
Comment: i too stayed up and checked out the primarys. it was exciting! it was wonderful! i'm so proud of Brarack and NC (RIGHT ON NC! RIGHT ON!) HEY YALL did yall check out the color that the clintons had on? (Bill sure love that blue! lol! he even had on a blue tie to match Hill's suit. cute!) well, it's on to west virginia. GO BARACK! GO!
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dcdouglass01
Comment: And as I mentioned yesterday, I will maintain a daily index of Hillary's various pantsuit ensembles for as long as she is in the race. But the good news on that point for her is that she will not have to go to Nordstom's, Bloomingdale's, etc., to replenish her collection. She can simply recycle what she has in the closet for these last few days that she'll be in this thing.
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Sexee
Comment: Right after his huge victory the Clintons and the Repub has carefully leaked another damaging photo. If people can't read between the lines; as to who the author of this negative campaigning than there's something terribly wrong.
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dcdouglass01
Comment: TGen, yeah, Obama was expected to win NC. But win it that big? I don't trust these polls, so that was a surprise to me. Especially given that Bill Clinton practically lived there the last week of the campaign.
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huey
Comment: CRENEEJ ---have u followed the overwhelming number or republi-cants whom have crossed over and register with the democratic party in those states that you refered to in republi-cant states like va, which overwhelmingly voted for bed-rock? there is a sea swarm of the american population whom are in fact ready for change. dont be confused by the past red/blue dichotomy. those so-called loyalist that your seem to believe will be voting for mccain have changed parties around the country. there are not as many there as you would like to believe. they have left the building.
in addition, people are also vanity driven. your just wait until the obama campaign really lays on the coating, i.e. bruce springsteen, oprah, stevie wonder, john legend, jay z, ....it will be a tidal wave of people across party lines will want to be a part of this vanity and they will vote obama.
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DOne
Comment: I read an interesting commentary yesterday that basically states that Hillary understands that she will likely not get the nomination and that she has understand that for a while, but she's thinking ahead to 2012. By making OB unelectable, McCain will probably will the Whitehouse, however, at his age, he will probably not run a second term and Hillary will be a shoe in in 2012
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shulamite
Comment: DOne, she could only hope. BO will run circles around McCain in November when things really get played out on the world stage.
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TGen
Comment: DOne, that's the been a theory for a while, and one that I think has merit. But I believe even Hillary (like she usually does) is underestimating not only the American people, but the time in history we're currently in. She misjudged the "moment" which has led her to effectively lose this primary which she was favored to win. She is likely misjudging the "moment" again with her 2012 strategy. Obama is right when he says there is a moment in every generation when the tide changes. Lord knows George Bush has more than created that moment in American history right now. People want a change. No silly, underhanded theory from Hillary Clinton with her old, tired antics will change that fact. Change is in the air. It just is...
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DOne
Comment: >shulamite, I think it will be a very close race.
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bigchassie
Comment: WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton needed a game changer. Instead, it's almost game over.
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Barack Obama won a resounding victory in North Carolina after the worst two-week stretch in his campaign. And Clinton, fueled by a burst of energy from her convincing win in Pennsylvania last month, barely eked out a win in Indiana despite her full-throated populist appeal in that largely blue-collar state.
There are six primaries left in the Democrats' epic battle for the nomination, but Tuesday's results were decisive on their own: They offered Clinton her last, best chance to turn the tables on her rival, and she didn't even come close.
"It's bad news for Hillary Clinton, but frankly I think the game changed a long time ago," said unaligned Democratic strategist Garry South. "Barack Obama has outraised her substantially, he's won more states, more pledged delegates, and is ahead in the popular vote. It's obvious he's outperformed her."
Indeed, Obama managed to outpace Clinton through a period that tested his mettle and political skills more than any other in the 15-month campaign. In a stretch that pitted Clinton's gritty determination against Obama's calm fortitude, the Illinois senator prevailed.
To be sure, Obama is still struggling to win some demographic groups, notably blue-collar white voters, who are a key component of the Democratic base.
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bigchassie
Comment: Among whites without college degrees, Clinton outdid Obama by 64 percent to 35 percent in Indiana, and 71 percent to 26 percent in North Carolina. The New York senator and her surrogates have trumpeted that advantage, hoping to persuade the so-called superdelegates likely to decide the race will that she would be the stronger Democratic candidate in the general election.
Seeking to broaden her advantage with that group, Clinton fashioned herself as the champion of the working class, railing against Wall Street "money brokers" and promoting a summer federal gas tax holiday widely panned by economists and many Democrats.
Obama denounced Clinton's gas tax proposal as an unabashed pander. Clinton aides were giddy, feeling that they had drawn Obama into an argument over the economy, which has long been viewed as her strong suit.
Obama was also forced to contend with the re-emergence of his controversial former pastor, Jeremiah Wright, who made incendiary statements at a Washington press conference last week. Among other things, he suggested the U.S. government may have developed the AIDS virus to infect the black community and had invited the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.
Exit polls showed the Wright imbroglio did influence about half the voters in both states as they weighed which candidate to choose.
Yet none of that shook the fundamentals of the race, as the results Tuesday demonstrated. Obama remains ahead of Clinton in every measure, and the final jury — superdelegates — have been trending his way, even as he charted rough seas. His strong showing in North Carolina and Indiana will undoubtedly speed up that pace.
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bigchassie
Comment: Clinton, meanwhile, is low on cash and her anemic performance Tuesday means she may not be able to rely on a surge in Internet fundraising that she saw after winning primaries in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Texas. She will meet with superdelegates Wednesday and attend an evening fundraiser in Washington — both key tests of her chances going forward.
She also continues to be dogged by an "honest gap" — hardly a strong suit in making the case to superdelegates that she is the more electable candidate. Exit polls in North Carolina found just 49 percent of voters believe Clinton is honest and trustworthy, compared to 71 percent for Obama. In Indiana, 54 percent said Clinton is honest, while 66 percent said Obama is.
Her aides insist she will press anew for a resolution to the disputed contests in Michigan and Florida, both of which she won, but whose results were voided because the primaries were moved in violation of Democratic Party rules.
Anticipating those efforts, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe sent a memo to superdelegates reminding them of the math. He said Clinton would need to win 68 percent of the remaining delegates to win the nomination — an extremely unlikely scenario, made harder by her poor performance Tuesday.
"With the Clinton path to the nomination getting even narrower, we expect new and wildly creative scenarios to emerge in the coming days. While those scenarios may be entertaining, the are not legitimate and will not be considered legitimate by this campaign or millions of supporters, volunteers and donors."
At least one undecided superdelegate saw Clinton nearing the end of her game as well.
"Senator Clinton did not get out of the night what she needed," said North Carolina Rep. Brad Miller. "To use a basketball analogy, she traded baskets. And she needed to do much better than that this late in the contest with her down 150 or 160 pledged delegates."
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NYCsoul
Comment: Okay, here's a question: If those white blue collar workers decide to sit out this campaign and every person of color went and cast their vote for BO, do you think he could still win?
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mayday
Comment: Go Obama! I am energized today although I never gave up hope. Hillary can duke it out with herself for the next 2 weeks becauseObama has the Democratic nomination. I cannot wait for Obama to debate McCain....
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flytetime
Comment: dakoolestkat, I believe that there were no long lines because a lot of people in NC opted to vote early. I knew that NC would come through because I have heard too many people, including older white women say that they would not vote for Hillary.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: MSM sux: clinton had a huge double-digit lead going into Pennsylvania, yet MSM keeps carping that her 9 point win was fabulous and convincing even though clinton has not had momentum since, umm, since?? . . . . MSM said that she owned Texas but O-BA-MA!! got more delegates (MSM won't call Texas an O-BA-MA!! win); she had a huge double-digit Ohio lead and won by a whittled down 10 points: where is her momentum? MSM won't admit she ain't none . . . . . it does not matter whether clinton is posturing for 2012 because by then Jindal and other rising Repubs will be taking on the rising Dems
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BigMamaThang
Comment: Hillary Clinton cannot win mathematically even if Michigan and Florida counted fully. Obama is too far ahead on the popular vote for those states to matter. NC erased Hillary's gains in PA and IN came down to less than 15,000 votes. No matter what happens going forward, Obama has won the popular vote hands down and Hillary needs to get out of the race.
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shulamite
Comment: Wow, HarrisThomas, could you imagine in 2012? A Barack Obama (incumbent) v. Bobby Jindal race? That would be a good one!
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Name:
rayne
Comment: Do you think that once Obama wins the nomination that Hillary will campaign hard for him? I don't really thing she will.
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TGen
Comment: HarrisThomas, exactly. The msm sucks. That's precisely why I wanted BO to close it down with a win in BOTH states. Yes, he has the nom sewed up pretty much, but winning both would have left NO room for the msm to keep this story going like they are bent on doing (it's their ratings wet dr--m). Had he won IN, which he SHOULD have based on polls I saw, it would not matter if she won the upcoming states or not (and it still doesn't techinically), but if she wins those states, she will get the bulk of positive news and the msm will continue to harp on this so-called "vulnerablity" BO has with hick voters. I just wish he could have brought it all the way home. Oh well...in due time I guess...
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bigchassie
Comment: i know one thing, i love those secret service agents. they was on Barack like hotsause on a pork rind. it was about five or six of them all around him. they were on the job. i commend their service. right on guys! stay on our man!
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bigchassie
Comment: RALEIGH, North Carolina (Reuters) - Down on his luck two weeks ago, an annoyed Barack Obama complained, "Why can't I eat my waffle?" when a reporter tossed him a question over breakfast at a Pennsylvania diner on the eve of the state's primary.
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On Tuesday morning, when the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination sat down to an omelet in a Greenwood, Indiana, diner he seemed elated. Voters were streaming to the polls in Indiana and North Carolina as Obama chatted about his hopes and expectations and joked about his weight.
The drawn-out struggle between the Illinois senator and his rival Hillary Clinton has had many ups and downs. But on Tuesday Obama won a compelling victory in North Carolina's primary while Clinton eked out a narrow win in Indiana.
Obama's aides declared the candidate's momentum was back and it was only a matter of time before Clinton would be forced to exit the race for the party's nomination.
"We're nearing the finish line," said Obama's top strategist, David Axelrod. "We have a lot to celebrate tonight and I think the Clinton folks have a lot to think about."
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bigchassie
Comment: But if Obama is poised to wrap up the race soon, putting him closer to becoming the country's first African American president, it will be in spite of a series of setbacks he suffered over the past several weeks.
In February, as he coasted to one victory after another, the confident and rhetorically gifted Obama was beginning to seem virtually certain to get his party's nod to face Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain in the November election.
But he stumbled badly after video clips surfaced of the fiery sermons of his former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Then, Clinton and McCain %*$ailed Obama as an elitist after he made a remark about "bitter" small-town voters who cling to guns and religion.
RENEWED VIGOR
His losses in the Rust Belt states of Ohio and Pennsylvania led to questions about his electability because of his weak showing with white working class voters, traditionally a core Democratic constituency.
Obama did little to help himself with a lackluster debate performance in Philadelphia in which he was put on the defensive about Wright, his patriotism and why he chose not to wear a flag pin on his lapel.
He later expressed annoyance with the moderator's superficial questions and caught flak from reporters for his reluctance to take questions over the following couple of days.
In the run-up to the April 22 Pennsylvania vote, Obama often seemed tired and talked of missing his two daughters who were at home in Chicago as he was having mixed success wooing blue-collar voters in pubs, bowling allies and diners.
The low point for Obama came when Wright stepped back into the spotlight and unapologetically repeated his charges that the U.S. government bore some blame for the September 11 attacks and the spread of AIDS to blacks.
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bigchassie
Comment: Then, Obama did something he was reluctant to do before: he unequivocally cut his ties with Wright, saying he did not know his longtime pastor as well as he thought he did.
A day later, Obama hit the campaign trail in Indiana with renewed vigor, taking a page from the tenacious Clinton and putting in longer days jam-packed with events like picnics and visits to roller rinks, aimed to show his "regular guy" side.
His wife, Michelle, was by his side and they were joined on the weekend by their two daughters, Sasha, 6, and Malia, 9.
A more relaxed Obama was comfortable and took questions from reporters frequently and appeared more spontaneous. He sometimes changed his schedule to engage with voters in a game of basketball, his favorite sport.
The presence of Obama's wife and daughters also helped the campaign's effort to allow voters to get to know Obama in a more personal way. He talked often about his biography and his upbringing by a single mother and his grandparents.
As the campaign marathon was coming to a close, Obama rose at 4:30 a.m. to do television interviews and visit workers on a construction site. He ended his day at midnight greeting workers at a car plants in Indiana as they came off the late shift.
By early Wednesday morning, Obama was headed home. When his plane touched down in Chicago, he was grinning ear to ear. His aides told him that the Indiana results were still unclear but that Clinton's lead was very narrow.
"Good job" he told his senior aides, just before leaving the plane.
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Thunny
Comment: Hillary will be forced to campaign for Obama when he gets the nomination.
Just like how last night during Obama's speech he said that whoever wins the nomination must be supported by the loser because Americans cannot afford 4 years of John McCain's antiquated and out-of-touch approach to leading America.
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LazySusan
Comment: Billary is through. If she wants to continue going broke, be my guest. The only thing I don't like is all of this sniveling talk from her supporters about including her on his ticket. NOOOOOOO!!! She's dead weight, trouble and about always one foot away from a jail cell. Can you imagine Sen. Obama having to explain all of Bill's latest trysts as if he had something to do with them??? And then there's the old 'Billary supporters not voting for him but McCain'. On that, be my guest as well! But Sen Obama congratulated her trifling azz and extended an olive branch to her supporters. He has a kind heart and is sincere in wanting to work with people. If people want to throw that away and vote for some crazy old guy, there's only so much Sen. Obama can do about that.
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Exmun
Comment: Barack won a sizeable number of the white vote as well in NC last night. Little has been made of this. NC is not SC. I believe African American's make up about 25% of NC population. Though they remain a sizeable number of the democratic party in NC, in order for 'Rack to have have won in the double digits as he did he had to have won a substantial of the white vote, including an appreciable number of the white rural vote. Don't drink the MSM koolaid. He's reaching a lot of folk.
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TGen
Comment: Exmum, you are correct. I thought the same thing. But don't worry, the msm will still play this "vulnerablity" card because of the "type" of White folk he won, lol. They will point out how NC has a different "breed" of Whites than other states like Ohio and Penn, NC Whites are more educated and progressive, they will point out. Oh, rest assured, they will continue the Hill drumbeat as long as they can.
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huey
Comment: Exmun --my point precisely.
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Angel
Comment: Creenee - Most of the "I won't vote for Obama" nonsense being touted by Hillary supporters (and vice versa for Obama supporters) will more than likely drop dramatically once a nominee is selected and the party unites. Most of these people are just mad/bitter that their candidate didn't win. When you look at their platforms, there is not much difference between the 2. If someone jumps ship and votes for McCain because they are not happy with the democratic nominee, they either (i) didn't do much research on the candidates, (ii) don't want to vote for a black man or (iii) let their own bitterness get in the way of making a logical decision.
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TGen
Comment: Angel, I disagree with you on ardent Obama supporters suddenly supporting Hillary. I think she's given them much more reason to stay home than he has given her supporters. Many could rightfully stay home based on principle because she ran a divisive, dishonest, patronizing campaign throughout. Her supporters cannot say the same about him. He stayed much more above board. So I'm inclined to believe that those supporters of hers who say they wouldn't vote for him are of the "hick" variety and are more colorstruck than principled, in which case, Obama can't win them over anyway. He'll have to make up that ground with disaffected Republicans and Independents which I feel confident he will be able to do.
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Vonnj
Comment: Good morning everyone, its been a long time since I've commented but I felt compelled today since I'm still overjoyed about how we represented here in NC. My voting poll line was serious, got there around 6pm and I didn't step into that booth until 8:30pm. The volunteers were passing out beverages and snacks to make sure people were comfortable with the long wait. It was awesome. I couldn't read all the comments so I don't know if anyone else here locally mentioned that fact that it was announced locally that NC had a large number of republicans vote yesterday for the presidential selection. I don't recall them mentioning that on CNN last night. That is huge seing as how our state is indeed considered a "red state". I was up late too trying to see what was going on with Indiana. We a truly bleeding blue right now. I hope this continue on in November.
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amethyst
Comment: I am very optimistic that the Dems can win in November. I'm a Southern girl and for Barack to win states like GA, SC and NC, in spite of continuing racism, makes me hopeful that more and more non-Blacks are basing their decisions on the issues, not race. I believe people who have been devoted Republicans will switch sides in Nov. because they don't have confidence in that party. Bush has wounded this country so badly: allowed 4,000+ to die in a war, hundreds of injured military aren't getting quick or proper medical treatment, gas is headed to $4.00/gallon, and blue and white collar workers have lost jobs because companies have gone bankrupt or moved operations abroad. Reasonable Repubs will realize WHITE people are responsible for this, and McCain will just continue this disaster. So, giving a Black man with a clean cut and honest image doesn't seem far fetched. Bush distracted them in 2004 with moral subjects (gay marriage, abortion, etc.), and lied about going to war. Now, they realize that what goes on in your neighbor's house has nothing to do with you keeping a job and paying your bills. Blacks and Latinos are not their enemies and are not responsible for their predictaments: WHITE men are.
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realuvbaby
Comment: SEEN ON THE NET: 1 of 2: The super delegate kingmakers of the Democratic Party should not find it difficult, using fair rational judgment, to tell Mrs. Clinton that she has lost the contest for the Party's presidential nomination ticket to Barack Obama. That has been very clear to both the Clinton and the Obama camps and all observers since the Clinton camp failed to achieve the big win she hoped for in the big states of Ohio and Texas and with the Obama camp wasting no time in wiping off whatever gains she made in Ohio in the next contests that followed. Obama has thus demonstrated that he is not just good at giving speeches but also at rightly analyzing difficult situations to form the right strategy to employ for achieving even seemingly impossible objectives and at accomplishing unbelievable great tasks and goals. So formidable was the nomination task that all the rivals of Mrs. Clinton faced against her perceived inevitability and long time preparation and proven superior campaign organization at the beginning of the nomination contest, with Obama being, perhaps, the least expected to have a chance to win. Obama’s win in Iowa was so unbelievable in Bill Clinton’s ears that he started seeing the whole thing as a “fairy tale”. And when polls started showing Obama overtaking Mrs. Clinton at the next state in the nomination calendar the ex-president started complaining about the time table which the only the Clinton camp was in position to influence than any other candidate when it was being drawn. The sudden realization that Obama’s challenge for the nomination, which was already written off for her, was real and credible was too much for Mrs. Clinton to bear that she publicly burst into tears that led many to cast votes of pity for her, which eventually helped her to win in New Hampshire. From then on the ex-president and the rest of the Clinton camp seemed to have come to realize that she could hardly win playing by the fair rules that was in place at the beginning and which all the contestants approved and agreed to abide by. They started ignoring the rules and complained against them, and challenge and seek to change them unfairly in her favor to help her win.
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realuvbaby
Comment: 2 of 2: Mrs. Clinton started this campaign as the presumed Democratic Party’s nominee with all the advantages that any contestant can ever hope for. She had a huge financial edge with the backing of main donors of the Party. She along with her husband the de facto party leader as the last US president from the Democratic Party still enjoyed overwhelming support from the Party officials and the Party members generally across the country. The Party establishment and the Party apparatuses worked together to support Mrs. Clinton as the choice of the establishment, perhaps to the detriment of the Party. Furthermore, the national and most state polls gave Mrs. Clinton overwhelming lead by very wide margin over all her rivals in the nomination race for the Democratic Party’s nominee. In addition, the eight years in the White House as the First Lady had made her famous nationally and internationally, quite unlike Barack Obama the new comer. Of course it may seem a big disgrace that such an unknown new figure like Barack Obama should emerge out of nowhere to and coming from behind to beat such a presumed nominee with all the advantages with her. That should explain why the Clinton camp is doing everything destroy the image of Obama to render him unelectable as the Party nominee. At this point, Mrs. Clinton has no hope of winning the contest by any fair means, so she got nothing to lose. There is indeed a “difference between making speeches and implementing solutions.” This campaign has offered both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama to prove themselves as achievers. Obama has proved that he can achieve his goal within a non-conducive environment using whatever resources he’s got without bending the rule. Mrs. Clinton has proved that she’s a failure. We now know why she has been failing to achieve even when she has all the chances to succeed well. The Democratic Party would do itself a great injustice if it denies such an achiever like Obama the chance to win the presidency for the Party in November by allowing the Clinton camp to continue with their destructive campaign after knowing that she cannot win by any fair means going but the rule of the game which both campaigns agree to abide with at the beginning of the contest. Obama has proved beyond all reasonable doubt that he can get things done. He has made it impossible for the Party to reject his candidacy to be the Party’s nominee. We should give him the opportunity and all the support he needs to implement the changes he has promised. Mrs. Clinton has had her chances and had failed over and over. Let’s give Mr. Obama the credit he deserves, and not give Mrs. Clinton a credit she deserves not. WHOOT THERE IT IS. WISH I SAID THAT <lol>> Peace Peace Y'all. . .
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MelodyCool
Comment: This is truly a sad day for "black" folks. That white woman's son is going to disappoint all those who have so much faith in him. He takes the "black" vote for granted and will continue doing so....mark my word. He ain't thinking about y'all.
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DrKnowItAll
Comment: BO has always got a good white vote support. He didn't win Iowa and Wyoming without it. He couldn't even be close in Texas, Indian or Ohio without white support. Also, Hillary is only getting about 6% of black voters. Why isn't the media making more of an issue of that? She can't win without black support. I find it amazing that a candidate who's losing in every category believes she's the better candidate. That's like a boxer getting knocked out and arguing to keep his belt because he believes he's more of a champion. Insanity!!
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realuvbaby
Comment: Here's hoping for a President who will lead this country with Intelligence and Integrity, not Ignorance and Fear. He cannot do it all alone. It's up to us. GOBAMA 08. Let's Go America . . . THE STATUS QUO HAS GOTS TA GO!! bigchassie: TO THE LEFT, TO THE LEFT!! ALL HATE AND FEAR GET OUT TO THE LEFT . . .
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musbdherbs
Comment: Crenee, I'm not understanding. You are using some rather interesting logic. Yes, NC is a red state. So is Indiana and Texas (which represents one of the "big" states.) Cali, NY, NJ, and Penn are blue states. Yet, part of her strategy is to suggest that because he couldn't win in the 'primary' he may not win in the GE. So, his primary wins in a red state don't matter cuz he won't win in the GE. His losses in blue state primaries 'are' important cuz it shows he can't win in the GE. Her wins in blue states matter in both the primary and the general? Hunh? Further, the number of her folk who won't support him is GREATLY exagerrated. What would be the explanation? That although he played/won by the rules of the party, they'll switch and vote republican because...? It's ridiculous for ne1 to think that the repubs won't try to knock his azz down. But considering how he overperformed in both states after the worst period in his candidacy, he has shown that he knows how to get back up. That's what is important. We should also give much credit to YT FOLK who came out and supported him AFTER Wright-gate. Angel...don't count on it if he's not the nom.
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amethyst
Comment: StormyMonday - I will go ballistic if the Democratic National Committee allows Michigan and Florida delegates to be seated! Hillary has turned me off so much with her lies and trickery. How do you "forget" or "misspeak" about bullets flying over your head? I don't think I would forget facing a situation like that. And she, like all the other Democratic candidates, signed an agreement to not campaign in Michigan and Florida because they were going against DNC rules. Now, she wants to bring them in? That is disgusting. If she were leading the race she wouldn't say a word. On Michael Baisden's show yesterday they talked about what message do we send to children if we go back on or ignore rules? I'm sending a message to the DNC to express my feelings about Michigan and Florida. I encourage others to do the same. They will meet on May 31st.
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adifferentpath
Comment: eurweb said: "Clinton still hopes to find a way to seat delegates from Michigan and Florida, where she won contests in January that are not recognized by the national party because of a dispute over when they were held."
sucka.
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: I knew Obama was going to do very well in Indiana when I saw the crowd at the rally the other night. People want to believe again and they are tired of the standard Washington trickery and dirty games. I think Hilary has taken the position that if she can't win, she's going to do everything that she can to destroy Obama's chances. She was not expecting all of this.
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adifferentpath
Comment: funny quote:
"the hillarious decision ..."
priceless.
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MelodyCool
Comment: Angel, many of those voting for Obama know he's not quite as qualified as Clinton but believe he's a symbol of something much more sinister. Y'all can have this white woman's son!
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huey
Comment: MelodyCool ---snooooooooooorrrrrre....huey ignoring your blatent attempt at politcal attention...
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librason
Comment: Morning all some good post here from the usual. This is a done da da. Cause I heard on a local radio station this morning that Hill had to loan herself 6.5 million last wk. If this is true ol girl is broke...eight bells and all is well.
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GHank
Comment: Well, there's no doubt that Obama is preaching unity among his supporters and Hillary supporters. I just didn't know how many hard core Hillary supporters there were. Obama is right to try to unify because if not, it's going to be very hard to do in November. All this stuff about Obama not needing HRC supporters is crazy. So like I stated earlier, I will try to do my part to help heal the party.
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Dean32
Comment: Will somebody please turn off the lights so that loser billary can go HOME. Great job N.C.
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Name:
amethyst
Comment: MelodyCool - I'm not supporting Barack because he's Black. And I don't expect any favoritism towards Black folks from him because he's Black. If there were equity in the way things are done in this country, no favoritism, affirmative action, etc. would be needed. As I stated in my post ^^, white folks are realizing that Bush and the Rethugs bamboozled them by distracting them with race and sexual orientation rhetoric, and lied about why we needed to go to war. They are coming out of the fog and realizing who the real perpetrators are. Blacks, Latinos and gays are not the reason they have lost their jobs and are paying $4.00/gallon for gas. So they are voting to make change. Barack's mission to unite everyone and improve this country will benefit all of its citizens, so no favoritism will be needed.
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MelodyCool
Comment: DrKnowItAll----->I find it amazing that a candidate who's losing in every category believes she's the better candidate.<------ She is the better candidate and this is what's so bothersome. Black folks are going to realize this much too late. Plenty already beginning to see what kind of man BO really is. Y'all have been bamboozled once again.
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Angel
Comment: Tgen & Musb - Believe what you want, but I just don't see massive numbers of folks who like the platform of Hillary or Obama (which is practically the same) actually standing in line for hours to vote for McCain. Now I can see a small portion of folks just not voting at all. People are bitter now, but reality will set in and most will see that if they let their bitterness get in the way, they will probably regret it for the next 4 years.
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amethyst
Comment: MelodyCool - Do you have an issue with Barack being bi-racial, or do you think he's less qualified than Hillary, or both? Hillary and all the other candidates have/had white mothers, too, so why is that an issue?
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bigchassie
Comment: IMO-i think if Hillary don't win the nomination i think they will vote for Barack in the GE because who in the heyell wants four more years of the crap that we are dealing with now. we can't take it anymore so a change is inebitable. same goes if Barack don't win. Jesse Jackson said it would be wrong if we don't vote for Hillary if Barack don't win. either way, WE DON'T WANT MCCAIN IN OFFICE! AMERICA WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE IT! and another thing too, if McCain does get in office (and that is a big IF) get ready yall to be recieving draft cards in the mail, cause he will not end this war, the war will continue and there will be more spending on it. if John McCain gets the presidency there will be heyell to pay. and we will be paying it. so this election is crucial. VERY CRUCIAL TO OUR LIVELYHOOD. now i don't know about you but i want to see this war end, i want gas prices to go down, i want everybody to keep their houses, and be able to buy groceries and still have some money left over and keep jobs in america. things got to change for the better. and Barack has said in his speech that this election is not about him or hillary, or mccain, it's about US!! WE HAVE THE POWER OF PUTTING WHO WE WANT IN OFFICE TO GET THINGS CHANGED AROUND HERE. AND I'M ALL FOR THAT MYSELF.
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MelodyCool
Comment: GHank, it's really impossible to heal the party at this point and know plenty of folks on "both" sides will not vote for the other. Obama is the embodiment of everything dividing the black community and I will never support him. If he becomes POTUS he will show you how little regards he actually has for black supporters.
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librason
Comment: Hillary and Senator Obama are so close on policy why any Dem would vote for MCcain defies reason. I dislike Hillary and her politricks but if she was the choice no way in he11 I would vote MCcain. Just on the MLK holiday alone. I wonder how much Limbaugh's so-called "operation chaos" effected Indy's result.
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bigchassie
Comment: REALUV>you got that right sweetie! OBAMA 08!!! DO IT BABY! (i swear Obama looks like a guy i know named Fred! lol!)
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Name:
Angel
Comment: librason - Exactly!!!!
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javone77
Comment: wow...things have gotten kinda chippy since I came through earlier :) morning to all those I have not spoken to. However, I agree with amethyst: do you not like his race melody or what?
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MelodyCool
Comment: amethyst--->Barack's mission to unite everyone and improve this country will benefit all of its citizens, so no favoritism will be needed.<---- I disagree. Barack will expend all his energy pandering to whites and other non-blacks to stay in power. He doesn't have to concern himself with blacks who are hung up on "symbols" but not "substance". Within 6 months people will realize the mistake they made placing their hopes in this man. He must continue "distancing" himself from anything that plagues the black community if he wants whites and non-blacks to accept him. A Jew would never do the same to their people under any circumstances. Pretending away issues will not make them disappear. Obama is really the divisive one. Too bad blacks don't have it in them to fight to strengthen our "own" race rather than promoting a "different" one that relies on us to prop them up.
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amethyst
Comment: MelodyCool - You haven't answered my other questions, but here are more. I'm interested in your perspectives and the reasons that support them. You wrote "Obama is the embodiment of everything dividing the black community. If he becomes POTUS he will show you how little regards he actually has for black supporters." What do you feel is dividing the Black community? Why do you feel that Barack "embodies" this? And do you expect/want a Black candidate to cater to or give preference to Blacks?
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Name:
asize12
Comment: HALLELUJAH!!! He DID IT! *chanting* OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA!!!! You CAN NOT keep a good man down! Hillary has tried & tried again but without success. Even the Rev. Wright controversy couldn't keep him down! America sees above all of that pettiness! He blew her OUT in NC! I knew he'd win, but I didn't think it would be a blow out. As for IN, she was expected to win anyway and she BARELY pulled it off. And I heard on CNN that 7% of the IN vote came from rethuglicans, so there you have it! Woulda thunk it? Rush Limbaugh has some type of influence on Che' Whitey! Roland said it best, the fact that Republicans are running out to vote for Hillary proves that their as*ses are SCURRED! They KNOW that he'd beat McCain and they know that Hillary would lose. So, to prevent Obama from winning, they're voting for the weaker link. TSK TSK TSK...What a tangle web we weave when first we practice to deceive!
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DrKnowItAll
Comment: Melody, unless you know something the rest of us don't then I can't agree with you? What makes BO so disruptive and have such little regard for black people?
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Name:
CRENEEJ
Comment: MELODY, i got your back, cuz u are gonna need it.... for the record, i do somewhat agree w/ you. i think the HRC supporters who won't support him, are not doing that b/c they're bitter. i have nothing vested in either candidate unless they can lower my gas and groceries and raise my salary. since i know that either would still be at the mercy of the senate, i'm not so convinced that either could do what they're promising. i will vote for BO if he gets the nod b/c that's what's best for the country. i personally do not believe in him, and his actions especially pertaining to Rev. Wright and Farakkhan have turned me off. and for everyone saying that mccain will be another 4 years of bush, well, maybe he will and maybe he won't. don't forget that most of the repubs didn't want him either....
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MelodyCool
Comment: amethyst----->MelodyCool - Do you have an issue with Barack being bi-racial, or do you think he's less qualified than Hillary, or both?<---- BOTH. Blacks folks are sending the message that "black" is never good enough and we're making a grave mistake promoting people like Obama. Go on any mixed raced sites and see how they feel about black people and you'll know exactly what I mean. Yes, I do feel Clinton is far more qualified than Obama. But I will not champion biracials understanding the depths of their negativity and hatred towards blacks. Blacks are to be used for their convenience then discarded. Look at DC's mayor Fenty. He's a prime example. All those blacks voted for him and he stabbed them in the back with the quickness and seemed pleased to twist to knife. Beware of their hidden agendas.
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CRENEEJ
Comment: and musb, if i'm not mistaken, electoral votes are based on popular votes right? so some states have more than others? if these primary states that BO is winning over HRC are majority Repubs anyway, he doesn't (IMHO) really have that much of a leg to stand on in winning that state. i bleieve that JM will make moves to separate himself from GWB, and go after BO at the same time. I think JM will make HRC look like BO's best friend in that respect. i do think he will make a formidable candidate for mccain...
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amethyst
Comment: MelodyCool - We must have been posting at the same time. So, do you feel Hillary will have Black people's interests at heart, since you say Barack won't? As I said before, I'm never looking for preferential treatment, rather, I seek EQUAL treatment. I don't feel that Black folks need a hook-up or favoritism. We are smart enough, strong enough, courageous enough, and wise enough to succeed when the playing field is equal. Heck, we've been surviving and prevailing in an environment of racism for 500 years; imagine what we can accomplish in a more fair arena. The Civil Rights Movement and Affirmative Action were not about favoritism, they were about letting people have equal access to education, homeownership, public facilities, etc. and be judged and awarded based on their merits.
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CRENEEJ
Comment: but i'm also not going to drop the idea that people love to have a villain and the hero, and it was so easy to make her the Joker to his Batman, so lets give some respect to the Joker (in this case) not that i feel her campaign was a joke b/c if he does get elected and fails to keep his promises, HRC will have even more than a kitchen sink to toss at his azz. and just a thought, where was the high moral ground of no negative campaigning when it came to the gas tax. she never said she wouldn't stoop but he proclaimed himself to be above it, and got right into it. or maybe i just didn't see it the right way
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HarrisThomas
Comment: MelodyCool? did you really roll up in heah wid some nonsense 'bout a white woman's son and sucker punch yourself with a public statement that O-BA-MA!! is going to disappoint all those blacks who have so much "faith" in him?!! . . . . . you mised the O-BA-MA!! point that WE (all Americans) have a lot of work to do . . . . . O-BA-MA!! supporters don't worship the man but we believe that this is his moment to usher in (or at least attempt to usher in) candor, truth, and transparency to perfect America . . . . . President O-BA-MA!! will be president of America not president of African-America . . . . . we African-Americans have much, much work to do within our own communities without telling a black president that he can fix everything that ails us . . . . . sheesh, I've got WTF? brain freeze while responding to this craziness
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MelodyCool
Comment: Everybody...go read Glen Ford's article on blackagendareport:---> http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_ content&task=view&id=603&Itemid=1 <-----> Too bad blacks can't love each other they way they do whites and biracials.
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librason
Comment: Asize> this shows how little regard people like Limbaugh have for this country while they question BO's patriotism,they Make a mockery of what our people and yt women fought and died for.... How unamerican! Where is the MSM's outrage.
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huey
Comment: HarrisThomas ---to MelodyCool---i suggest a snooooore, she is here to create non-political non-productive discourse and to spew non-value added rhetoric. nothing she has said is backed by any substantive reasoning. my suggestion is to ignore her until she goes away. i suscribe to the idea of never argueing with a fool, people might not know the difference....heuy has spoken...
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CRENEEJ
Comment: key words HARRIS: (or at least attempt to usher in) candor, truth, and transparency to perfect America . . . .
we African-Americans have a right to demand that he represent our interests HT. every other minority leader does that for his people. why are we wrong to demand it? i'm just asking, and ASIZE, i just knew u was gonna come in here all chipper. *sticks tongue out at asize*
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MelodyCool
Comment: Everybody go read Betty Pleasant's article about his snubbing of the black media: -----> http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_ content&task=view&id=599 <------- it's quite revealing for those who don't want to really see what Obama is about. He used the black church and he's using "gullible" black people. You'll see it before it's all said and done...no doubt about it.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: CRENEEJ, what do we want?: tax relief? freedom from disparate justice? decent, affordable housing? EDUCATION? health care? end to an imperialist war? JOBS, JOBS, JOBS? etc. and etc? . . . . . well, the last time I checked, that's exactly what all Americans want (yeah, poor whites get jacked on disparate justice but not nearly as much as AAs) . . . . . put out here specifically, what do you want O-BA-MA!! to do for AAs? what exactly would an O-BA-MA!! presidency owe you or any other black?
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soulmusic101
Comment: Can somebody please give money to HRC. She is badly in debt and needs your gas and food money to pay her bills. Of course Bill and Hill have 100 Million in their personal account but you guys can afford it.....May 20th will seal the deal for the real nominee of the Democratic Party.
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MelodyCool
Comment: CRENEEJ---->i personally do not believe in him, and his actions especially pertaining to Rev. Wright and Farakkhan have turned me off. <---- Many who are voting for him don't believe in him either...just going through the motions. Obama had Rev. Wright come to the site of the ceremonies for his senate confirmation, had him pray with the family then told him to step off. This is how he'll handle black folks too. Just watch. Obama is an opportunist who understands blacks love other races and put them above their own interests for the most part. Blacks are making a grave mistake with Obama and hope they can stand the bitter truth when it smacks them in the face. It won't be long. But I refuse to vote for him under any circumstances.
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CRENEEJ
Comment: MELODY, one word DAMMMMMMMM
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bigchassie
Comment: whew! it's gettin kind of hot up in hurre!
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Name:
shulamite
Comment: TGen wrote --> "Obama can't win them over anyway. He'll have to make up that ground with disaffected Republicans and Independents which I feel confident he will be able to do." I agree and I think this is what the Superdelegates are betting on. Any loss of out-and-out rednecks will be more than made up for by the independents and "obamacans".
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barnone
Comment: MelodyCool> i just have 1 ques 4 u. if BO divides the black comm and doesn't give a ish about us ok cool if u believe that. so r u saying that hellary unites the black comm and cares and will do what is n the best interest of the black comm. if elected?
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HarrisThomas
Comment: soul, hillarious is the same nut job who loaned herself $5 million, so, I say she should loan herself as much as it takes to show how tenacious a fighter she can be when she puts her mind into getting what she wants without regard for the impact on her political party
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soulmusic101
Comment: I knew somebody Election hopes were in trouble when they cancelled all of her appearences for today. Her = URC.....
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MelodyCool
Comment: Here's a comments from blackagendareport on his snubbing of the black media. This proves to me that some of us blacks do understand what BO is really about: ----> The mass hysteria in the black community over Obama's candidacy is ludicrous. And the above blog verifies this. Answer these questions: did Obama spend money in the latino press? Do latino journalists have access to him?
I'd love to know that answer.
But this I do know. Nothing about this biracial man becoming president is going to benefit us. This is Senator Obama's personal goal. His way to get even with the white community. We only figure into his ascendency to the highest office in that he needs our unwavering loyal support based upon our need to feel validated in America.
The black publishers should have made it clear from jump street that if he didn't spend money with them they would back someone else. This is how it's done in America. One hand washes the other. You give me something I give you something back. We deserve every bit of the nothing Obama will give us as POTUS because we asked for nothing except that his skin color appeared to be like ours. Politics is a bit more complicated than this. Isn't it about time we realized this and acted accordingly?
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asize12
Comment: >melody, and your reason for voting for Hillary over Barack is??? You can't really believe that 'she' can bring this contry together, come on now! And why do keep bringing up the fact his momma is yt? Answer this, are you a republican?
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musbdherbs
Comment: Angel, I didn't say that they will vote for McCain. I believe that if Obama plays/wins by the rules, and it is snatched from him, many people will just not vote. I don't see in actually going through the process of getting out and voting...just to vote for the other party. IMO, that makes no sense. So many people, like me, will just not vote at all. Crenee, you honestly sound like what you protest against...a pure partisan...very much like Lanny Davis was on last night. At what point in our history has a candidate's primary win an "ANY" state been marginalized as irrelevant simply because they may not carry that state in the general. Hellary has won her states. Obama has won his. Both are needed to win the democratic nomination. It seems that the Hellary campaign is the only one who has been deeming other states as "no consequence." TN, AR, AZ, OK, NV are all states she has won. W/out them, she would be not be as close as she currently is. First the caucuses were unfair, then it was "well he won red states," then it was "well jessie jackson did too," then it was "black people did it," then it was "he can't win the big states," then it was "pledged delegates can vote whichever way they choose," now it's "the electoral map." I mean good grief.
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barnone
Comment: melody> ok i overstand your point, but again do u feel that hellary is the solution? do u feel she is what the black comm needs? is this who u support?
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HarrisThomas
Comment: Melody and Crenee, I am not persuaded by your citing of Wright and Farakkhan as examples of how O-BA-MA!! will treat AAs . . . . . two people with krytonite baggage don't make good examples . . . . . here's how you might make your point: among AAs who have served as congressmen or senators, which have focused solely on AA issues to the exclusion of any other political issues? make your points by identifying those people as models for possible O-BA-MA!! presidential behavior
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MelodyCool
Comment: CRENEEJ, In February Obama sent a love letter to Puerto Ricans. He's free to embrace every other demographics must not acknowledge or align himself with anything that address any black grievances. I hope everyone takes the time to read how he did black newspaper owners and Rev. Wright. See the promises he made in his Valentine's letter to Puerto Rico. They have it in "writing" and he'll back it up. Obama will turn around and tell black folks I never promised you anything: ---->http://www.valleyadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid= 5959 <------ Here's an excerpt: "Then, on Feb. 12, Barack Obama wrote a Valentine's Day letter to the territory's governor that was filled with promises unheard of since the establishment in 1952 of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico."
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HarrisThomas
Comment: when bubba clinton went to rural areas to rally the vote for hillarious, did he go to rural AA communities? if he did, MSM didn't show it . . . . . bubba courted the white vote really big time and as a result I'd be mighty damn suspicious of how the clintons will get even with AAs if they gain the white house
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javone77
Comment: asize: I agree! I take offense with the fact that people can't talk about him as a MAN but a BIRACIAL man. That just reeks of ignorance! I refuse to believe that a black person would even BEGIN to dislike someone because they are of mixed race. Hell none of us are PURE! I am BLACK but when I traced my lineage I am also a native american. Do you hate me too? I am going to have to excuse myself from commenting on this insanity because it is self defeating and designed to divide and I have no use for that mess. And some of us wonder why we as a race of people can't be like the hispanics of the world. They accept each other, while we have ignorant people disliking people for no better reason than they have mixed blood in their veins. smmfh
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musbdherbs
Comment: Creene, there you go again elevating him to something he's not. Yet, you criticize those for presumably doing the same. He responds to attacks and it's negative? At what point did Obama say he wouldn't respond to a negative attack? I didn't follow all the ads, but what was the "negative" attack Obama hurled at Hellary over the gas tax? WHY OH WHY must we continue to feed into Melody's foolishness. It has been well-established that she dislikes black men...thinks the worse of black men..and never has much good to say about us. She's a nutcase. She trolls the most radical blogs in search for things to suit her positions. This is nothing new. She sounds as "detached from reality" as the Rev. Wright allowed himself to be.
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Name:
McNasty
Comment: MelodyCool girl you know you cool with me but your hate of all things male I believe causes you to be the one bamboozled and especially if you think silly hillary is the one to run this country. She has lied about the simplest things and shown an overwhelming willingness to fight dirty and if that's the kind of person you want in office I'm glad you will be in the disappointed minority.
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asize12
Comment: *sticks tongue back out at creneej* Wassup girl;-) Check this out chica, Err'body knows that Hillary's 'gas relief' bs was just a 'gimmick' and OF COURSE Obama was gon' call her on it! He *is* a politician, right? It's a stupid idea and it ain't nothin' more than a 'band-aid' that's not gonna help people in the long run. It was just a ploy to get votes and it backfired. That's why people keep saying that she's a 'republican on the low' cuz why on earth would she propose the same thing as dumb as*s McCain? People ain't falling for the okey-doke, they saw right through her so-called 'gas relief' bs. Did you see her speech last night? Did you see his speech? You tell me, which one sounded like they were basically saying it's a wrap? I mean, she was thanking err'body & their momma for their support as if this was her last speech! She WAS NOT as confident as she normally has been so she knows it's a wrap. Bill gon' put the SMACK DOWN and let her know that he ain't 'bout to be in the po' house just cuz she's too damn stubborned to let it go! She's being very selfish by continuing in this race that she can't possibly win. I can tell by her tone last night that she's about to give in...she has no legs to stand on. Reality is sinking in. And what kills me about her mentioning FL & MI is, yo as*s wasn't saying JACK about those states until you realized that you were losing! Why change the rules now just cuz you're losing? Everybody knows that if Obama was in her shoes, they'd be hollin' from the mountain tops to GIVE IT UP, YOU LOSER! But for some strange reason, Hillary and many of her supporters are deranged enough to believe that she can win. >creneej & ghank, not y'all, y'all both know it's a wrap. I'm speaking to the delusional folks now. She's continuing to divide the party and if she doesn't give up soon, McCain is gonna win. I hope Howard Dean comes out to speak again...the superdelegates need to stop playin' and gon' head and announce the democratic candidate, Barack Obama!
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soulmusic101
Comment: HarrisThomas...I hope that all HRC Fan's think before they loan the Multi-Millioniares Clinton any of their hard-earned money. Better keep that money in their pockets and come join the Obama Train.
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Name:
DEEofVA
Comment: I got nothing but love for Black folks in Indiana and North Carolina! No matter how much white MSM and pundits want to dismiss the black vote, you made history yesterday!
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Name:
Exmun
Comment: Melody Cool... so who would you suggest that Black people put their faith in? ... I don't expect a sensible answer so I'll answer my own question. There is no candidate for president (or any other office) who will represent 100% of any other person's interest. This is the nature of the game. What people generally try to do is find a candidate who they believe represents more of their interests than 'the other guy' or is the best of two evils. Regardless of your characterization of 'Rack, that's the decision that people (white and Black have made). So in answer to my question... are Black people supposed to now elect a pathalogical liar, a man who will commit our troops to an unwinable war (even AFTER knowing the fact that it was based on a lie and AFTER muslim extremists have proven that they cannot be stopped by a traditional army? Who the hell are we (self interested Black people) 'supposed' to choose?
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MelodyCool
Comment: barnone, at least Clinton won't be shackled by the same paranoia that Obama has when it comes to recognizing black support and attention to our issues. This is all about Obama's personal dreams. If he becomes POTUS Africans and biracials will continue drubbing it in black Americans collective faces that he is NOT one of us. In fact, they are already saying it and probably considers us fools for rallying the way we have. In a way I hope he wins just to prove my point. I bet he won't get the black support for a second term.
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bigchassie
Comment: WHEW!! WHERE IS KHUFU ON THIS?? LOL!!!
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HarrisThomas
Comment: folks, here's the only Valley Advocat excerpt from the O-BA-MA!! letter to Puerto Rico [it does not promise more than can possibly be delivered]: "Puerto Rico's status must be based on the principle of self-determination," he wrote. "As President I will work closely with the Puerto Rican government, its civil society and with Congress to create a genuinely transparent process for self-determination that will be true to the best traditions of democracy. As President I will actively engage Congress and the Puerto Rican people in promoting this deliberative, open and unbiased process, that may include a constitutional convention, or a plebiscite, and my Administration will adhere to a policy of strict neutrality on Puerto Rican status matters. My Administration will recognize all valid options to resolve the question of Puerto Rico's status, including commonwealth, statehood, and independence." . . . . sounds like a good plan to me
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soulmusic101
Comment: DEEofVA...I also say Thanks to all the People of N.C. and Indiana....You did it. Now on to Oregon on May 20th.
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Name:
huey
Comment: javone77 --u and i are so in sync!! on this biracial mess that is being spewed...i cant even begin to have a conversation that is so degrading...
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DEEofVA
Comment: TGEN,
With all due respect, by stating infactual information about Indiana polls, you help substantiate the Clinton's campaign false contention that IN was a come from behind victory. It was NOT! She was leading consistently in the polls by a comfortable margin since February. Only two pollsters, Zogby and Selter, gave Obama chance of pulling out a victory. She was expected to carry the state by close to double digits and she barely one thanks to an unexpected high number of Republicans voting to cause chaos. All the evidence shows factually, that Senator Obama gained ground in IN and would likely have won if not for Republican influence.
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Name:
Angel
Comment: musb - I think we are agreeing. Folks are not going to get out of bed and stand in crazy lines to vote for McCain out of spite, so those saying they will vote for McCain if Obama (or Clinton) is not the candidate are full of hot air. I think those who are true voters (e.g., vote in every election, even in a snow storm) who like the obama/clinton platforms won't go McCain out of spite. Now those independents and republicans who were wooed to Obama are the likely suspects that will support McCain if Obama is ousted...just don't see that happening for Hillary.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Obama wins among brand new Voters. Get on board for the Movement.
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Name:
professo285
Comment: For all of you black folks who are doubting Obama and are assuming that he is not sincere about his intentions, pick up a copy of his book, "Dreams From My Father." This book outlines who this man is and it illustrates that he is capable of overcoming ratial boundaries despite the fact that his mother was white and his father was black. Wake up folks who are in doubt. If you have allowed white folks to betray you and miss-use you, there is no reason why Barack Obama should not be given the chance. Obama has stated that he can't do it alone and you can be assured that he will put together an administration of both blacks and whites who have the same desires that he does and they will make things happen. Go Obama!!!!!!
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Name:
barnone
Comment: melody u didn't answer my question. i asked u very directly do u feel hellary will advocate for the Black comm and if this is who u support?
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: I wonder what the percentages are and how they are calculated when these delegates get split up after one of them wins. Because Obama only needs to win 129 more to make it official, and that's if he wins the rest of the primaries,caucuses. With 217 left, that would leave Clinton with only 88.
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MelodyCool
Comment: javone77, go on mulatto.org, chancellorfiles.com and onedroprule.org to find out what they think of black folks. You're in for a very rude awakening. In 2010 biracials will no longer be considered black. Good! What are you going to do without your precious biracials then? You really need to educate yourself on this issue. Also, look what's up with latinos when you speak of unity: -----> http://forums.sohh.com/showthread.php?t=819921 -------> Latin America needs it's own Civil Rights movement.
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kwrob
Comment: I believe Obama would include all races in his cabinet and administrative staff, just as he has all races backing him in this campaign.
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Name:
asize12
Comment: >melody...*blank stare* I'm done!
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: SOULMUSIC>YEP!!!
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Name:
librason
Comment: Melody> there is a flaw in your thesis. Her name is Michelle Obama. This is a well educated strong sistah and believe this.....she is a RIDAH. No way would she be with someone like that
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: DEVA, good looking out. I didn't catch that earlier. I will add that repubs made up 10% of the ID primary and voted Hellary 54/46. Independents made up 23% and voted Obama the exact opposite. Of course the question will be how many of those will stay in either candidates corner if they make it to the GE. ANGEL, yeah that's just crazy. I do believe that there will be "some" of her supporters who will do it out of spite though. Considering how they are so disgusted w/him (for no obvious reason) more hers will than his. I doubt it will be in the double digits. Cant' see it happening.
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TGen
Comment: Angel, read Musbdherbs' response. I ALSO didn't say they would vote for McCain, but that they [we] would stay home. I continue to maintain that she has given Obama supporters A LOT more valid reasons to not support her than he has her supporters. If anything, he's bent over backwards for them, which leads me to believe what I stated earlier--they are of the hick variety, and are not inclined to vote for a Black person no matter what. He will have to make up that portion with Repubs and Indys which he will be able to do. Creenj/Melodycool, I've YET, after allll these months, had ONE HC supporter explain EXACTLY why she's a "better" candidate than he is, why she is more "qualified" than he is, what ACCOMPLISHMENTS she's had that he hasn't. I again challenge you. Not what you "feel" about him, but provide FACTS on what makes her a "better" candidate. Would you please? Gracias. DEEofVA, I have to disagree. Maybe you and I have seen different polls or something. But EVERY poll I saw leading up to yesterday, including Gallup, NBC, USAToday, you name it, had Obama up in Indiana. He was favored to win there (at least pre-Rev Wright), not her. But that's water under the bridge now. Still, the loss (at least to me) dampens the spirit of what should be a day of overwhelming victory. Oh well...
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HarrisThomas
Comment: umm, I am wondering whether we are tiptoeing around a very special minority (??!) as we refute claims for special minority treatment . . . . . you know, that group who if anybody criticizes it, gets ambushed, black-balled (well?) as anti-Semetic? [say AIPAC somebody]
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asize12
Comment: *standing ovation for TGen* >TGen, ME NEITHER! I haven't heard a good argument YET!
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Name:
HarrisThomas
Comment: asize12, that blank stare happens when a Melody post gives me WTF? brain freeze
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Name:
barnone
Comment: comment>"if he becomes POTUS Africans and biracials will keep.....he is not one of us." sis i'm really trying 2 give u the benefit of the doubt but c comments like this r the embodiment of post traumatic slave syndrome. this is what slavery and colonialism has done 2 us as a people. we r all of Mother Afrika. our roots all lead back 2 the same place and as long as we allow the true oppressors 2 divide us we will remain oppressed. Black people GLOBALLY wherever u find us r oppressed. PERIOD. yt folk don't differentiate between black folk from Africa, amerikkka, puerto rico, brazil, asia, europe. to them we all ni88as so why do we fall 4 that okie doke. i'll tell u why...willie lynch. 1000 years later and it's still working just like he said it would. light against dark, straight hair against kinky hair, etc. c'mon it's triple overtime with 30 seconds left n the game. we can't afford 2 b stuck on stupid. BO IS one of us, just as Abdias do Nascimento is one of us and Steve Beko was one of us and so on and so on cuz the Afrikan family is diverse.
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musbdherbs
Comment: If anyone dismissed my recent post about Melody trolling radical websites in search for things that suit her positions...please see her latest post. Name: MELODYCOOL Comment: javone77, go on mulatto.org, chancellorfiles.com and onedroprule.org to find out what they think of black folks. You're in for a very rude awakening. In 2010 biracials will no longer be considered black. Good! What are you going to do without your precious biracials then?"..... Any questions?
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Name:
Joney
Comment: ATTENTION ~ please everybody stop responding to the foolishness of MelodyFool. She doesn't like black men and she hates biracials. The chick is crazy and don't make any kind of sense, how she gonna tell people to go to mulatto.org and onedroprule.org to see what Barak Obama thinks of black folks. This can only be described as all out CRAZY!!! Now continue on with more intelligent talk. Thank you!!
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asize12
Comment: >ghank, that's the JAYUM! That's one of my favs by Zapp!
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Name:
asize12
Comment: *peeking through the fog* So, where's Melody anyways? I know I said I was done, but I lied...I just have a few questions for her. *yelling* Melody, come out come out wherever you are!
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Name:
asize12
Comment: Sorry kids, that previous post was meant for the FFA! LOL
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Name:
DrKnowItAll
Comment: so Javone77, you telling us you got that "good hair" cause you some some "Indian" in you???? LOL...I've yet to read anything on blackagenda that makes me change my opinion of Obama. I believe Melody lost her cool and is suffering from a little hateration right now cause her candidate is bout to bow out ungracefully..
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Name:
amethyst
Comment: javone - I'm have never been around anyone in my life who spewed hatred and poison about biracial people. None of us can help who our parents are. If Barack shows he is against Black people after he is elected, I'll be one of the first people to work to call him on the carpet keep him from getting a second term. There isn't anything I've read about him that leads me to believe he is against Blacks. Just because he doesn't have a "Black Platform" doesn't mean he would harm Blacks. Since he has the overwhelming support of Black voters, I don't have a problem with him putting his efforts towards campaigning to those whose support he needs to gain.
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Name:
DrKnowItAll
Comment: did any of the black men in the room aside from myself notice that Michelle Obama has a nice donkey on her??? She is sexy in that your best friend's mother kind of way....
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Name:
B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: It was great to see Rak do what Rak gon do...He also gave a great speech...Honestly, I think the Dems don't wanna have to deal with Rak come November...It seems like they don't really wanna give up the nom...Donna Brazile was putting muthafuccers in place last nite...She was calling 'em out...WTF are old, dumbazz White folks so important?...Izzat what the Dems are composed of?...Look at me, sh1t, I don't fit that description..Imma good looking, young, smart, yeah, I'm smart, Black man...I may have to re-think some sh1t...If somehow Rak can't get in...Dayum, what else does he have to do?...Anybody else and they woulda told Hilary to drop the fucc out and join the fold...Some muthafuccers keep droping hints 'bout Florida and Michigan counting...They want Hilary to run with Rak...They need to just say it and move on...We don't need another 4 years of Bush-like politics...I'm celebrating last nite but some of this sh1t is...
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Name:
asize12
Comment: ***NEWSFLASH*** IN THE INSTRUCTIONS OF JONEY, I WILL DENOUNCE & REJECT MELODYCOOL. THANK YOU...You may now continue with your regularly scheduled program...
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Name:
huey
Comment: DrKnowItAll --- i was DEAD ON IT!!...i caught a good glimpse twice!!
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Name:
huey
Comment: Joney & asize12 --i made this argument 75 post back...it took me all of 2 post to realize that melody was a crazy as a june bug on a string...
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DrKnowItAll
Comment: Huey, aaight then. I'm not the only one. I was watching her walk offstage after BO's speech last night and was caught off guard. BO get's a 2 big thumbs up from me on that one!!! educated and a big booty.. that brotha is livin the life!!!!!!
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: MelodyCool, there is also the possibility that, like Bush, Obama will do whatever he wants to do after he is elected. You don't see Bush worrying about his ratings or what people think about what he does, do you? If he thinks it is a good idea and believes he is empowered to do it, so be it.
Obama has spoken from the heart about issues that affect people from all walks of life and I do believe that he will address some of the pressing issues (unemployment, lack of education, crime, etc.) that are killing our communities. He will also have the address the needs of poor whites, etc. and others who are suffering as well.
However, we have a responsibility to do what we can to help ourselves in this life. No one can or should do it all for us. I get so sick of our folk talking about "What are they going to do for us?"
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Name:
huey
Comment: "Hillary R. Clinton will you please go now!
The time has come. The time is now.
Just go. Go. Go! I don't care how.
You can go by foot. You can go by cow.
Hillary R. Clinton will you please go now!
You can go on skates. You can go on skis.
You can go in a hat. But Please go. Please!
I don't care. You can go By bike
You can go On a Zike-Bike If you like
If you like You can go In an old blue shoe.
Just go, go, GO! Please do, do, do, DO!
Hillary R. Clinton I don't care how.
Hillary R. Clinton Will you please GO NOW!
You can go on stilts. You can go by fish.
You can go in a Crunk-Car If you wish.
If you wish You may go By lion's tale.
Or stamp yourself And go by mail.
Hillary R. Clinton Don't you know
The time has come To go, go, GO!
Get on your way!
Please Hillary R.!
You might like going in a Zumble-Zay.
You can go by balloon . . . Or broomstick.
Or You can go by camel In a bureau drawer.
You can go by bumble-boat . . or jet.
I don't care how you go. Just get!
Hillary R. Clinton! I don't care how.
Hillary R. Clinton Will you please GO NOW!
I said GO And GO I meant . . .
The time had come So . . . Hillary WENT."
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: Dr. leave that alone! LOL!
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Name:
barnone
Comment: Dr.> i'm glad u brougt up Michelle Obama...not about her donkey (whatever that is), but it also brought 2 light another point...if BO doesn't relate or consider himself black why did he marry the woman he did? i'm sure he could have found some hi yella or half white woman. but he chose a sister.
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librason
Comment: Doc> hell yeah! When Rack had his arm around her waist, I was like dayum. She draggin a Lil wagon.
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Name:
barnone
Comment: ok i can b a little slow some times. another word 4 donkey is .....duh.
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Name:
TGen
Comment: *Still waiting on that response from Creenj and Melodycool et al explaining what FACTS (not feelings) make Clinton a better candidate than Obama* Read when yall are. Tick....tock....tick...tock...feet tapping...
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Name:
asize12
Comment: WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD?
BARACK OBAMA:
The chicken crossed the road because it was time for a CHANGE! The chicken
wanted CHANGE!
JOHN MC CAIN:
My friends, that chicken crossed the road because he recognized the need to
engage in cooperation and dialogue with all the chickens on the other side
of the road.
HILLARY CLINTON:
When I was First Lady, I personally helped that little chicken to cross the
road. This experience makes me uniquely qualified to ensure -- right from
Day One! -- that every chicken in this country gets the chance it deserves
to cross the road. But then, this really isn't about me.......
DR. PHIL:
The problem we have here is that this chicken won't realize that he must
first deal with the problem on 'THIS' side of the road before it goes after
the problem on the 'OTHER SIDE' of the road. What we need to do is help him
realize how stupid he's acting by not taking on his 'CURRENT' problems
before adding 'NEW' problems.
OPRAH:
Well, I understand that the chicken is having problems, which is why he
wants to cross this road so bad. So instead of having the chicken learn
from
his mistakes and take falls, which is a part of life, I'm going to give
this
chicken a car so that he can just drive across the road and not live his
life like the rest of the chickens.
GEORGE W. BUSH:
We don't really care why the chicken crossed the road. We just want to know
if the chicken is on our side of the road, or not. The chicken is either
against us, or for us. There is no middle ground here.
COLIN POWELL:
Now to the left of the screen, you can clearly see the satellite image of
the chicken crossing the road...
ANDERSON COOPER - CNN:
We have reason to believe there is a chicken, but we have not yet been
allowed to have access to the other side of the road.
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Name:
asize12
Comment: JOHN KERRY:
Although I voted to let the chicken cross the road, I am now against it!
It
was the wrong road to cross, and I was misled about the chicken's
intentions. I am not for it now, and will remain against it.
NANCY GRACE:
That chicken crossed the road because he's GUILTY! You can see it in his
eyes and the way he walks.
PAT BUCHANAN:
To steal the job of a decent, hardworking American.
MARTHA STEWART:
No one called me to warn me which way that chicken was going. I had a
standing order at the Farmer's Market to sell my eggs when the price
dropped
to a certain level. No little bird gave me any insider information.
DR SEUSS:
Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad? Yes, the
chicken crossed the road, but why it crossed I've not been told.
ERNEST HEMINGWAY:
To die in the rain. Alone.
JERRY FALWELL:
Because the chicken was gay! Can't you people see the plain truth?' That's
why they call it the 'other side.' Yes, my friends, that chicken is gay.
And if you eat that chicken, you will become gay too.. I say we boycott all
chickens until we sort out this abomination that the liberal media white
washes with seemingly harmless phrases like 'the other side. That chicken
should not be crossing the road. It's as plain and as simple as that.
GRANDPA:
In my day we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. Somebody told us
the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough.
BARBARA WALTERS:
Isn't that interesting? In a few moments, we will be listening to the
chicken tell, for the first time, the heart warming story of how it
experienced a serious case of molting, and went on to accomplish its life
long dream of crossing the road.
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Name:
asize12
Comment: ARISTOTLE:
It is the nature of chickens to cross the road.
JOHN LENNON:
Imagine all the chickens in the world crossing roads together, in peace.
BILL GATES:
I have just released eChicken2007, which will not only cross roads, but
will
lay eggs, file your important documents, and balance your check book.
Internet Explorer is an integral part of the Chicken. This new platform is
much more stable and will never cra...#@&&^(C% .........reboot.
ALBERT EINSTEIN:
Did the chicken really cross the road, or did the road move beneath the
chicken?
BILL CLINTON:
I did not cross the road with THAT chicken. What is your definition of
chicken?
AL GORE:
I invented the chicken!
COLONEL SANDERS:
Did I miss one?
DICK CHENEY:
Where's my gun?
AL SHARPTON:
Why are all the chickens white? We need some black chickens.
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Name:
javone77
Comment: ROFL ya'll trippin talking about this woman's butt. LOL but I did tell my mom that she has large hips like me. LOL I gotta work on that lol
anyway, yeah melody is crazy as woo woo woo woo (like Martin) LOL
Drknowitall....uhm. I got negroed (new word) up before all that good hair got to me LOL the only sign is that when I get sick I turn red LOL
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: TGEN..according to realclearpolitics, Clinton was the presumed winner in the majority of the polls. I can't find the numbers before the middle of march which was "pre-Wright." I'm not sure about your numbers because I don't recall him being in the lead in Indiana during the last days. Either way, this was a good non-win for him because he maintained a close lead to after the worst part of Wright hit him in the gut. NC sealed the deal. BARNONE..CATCH UP!!!..lol Drk. we talked about Michelle on here b4. You best believe that she's stacked like that w/a phatty in the back. She got hips, lil waist...a phatty. OMG! Lightning is gonna strike me down..I'm talking about the First Lady as an object. Ok OK. Michelle Obama has a very attractive "black womans body." A lil off the subject, but I followed this old woman (i mean older woman) around the Giant (supermarket) last week. She was at least 50. OMG..she was coming from church and had on some heels and a simple black dress w/pearls. I felt like a durty stalker and I know she had to notice. SEEKING LADY IN GIANT: Please forgive me for following you down at least 6 aisles. I was mesmerized.
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Name:
BlackThought
Comment: Melody, I just have to say that you're line of thinking, while I respect your opinion, is part of the crabs in a barrel mentality. You, like JW, Farrakhan, Tavis and countless other negroes fail to realize the importance of THIS black man becoming president. He's the one! There were none before and if he doesn't get in, they're may be none after. He is THE one period. Let's just say he isn't for blacks and doesn't help blacks at all, his becoming president changes the game for people of color. It levels out the playing field a whole lot more than it was. What he's done so far in his campaign speaks volumes! Take a look around, go back in history and ask yourself what this means to have a black man in the white house. How you cannot understand the magnitude of this moment let's me know that we have been conditioned so badly.
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: barnone, I challenge you to find out what Africans and biracials really think for blacks. Deal with it.
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Name:
javone77
Comment: MUS: ROFL Lawd have mercy LOL
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Name:
BlackThought
Comment: Ok, I missed the memo regarding Melody. So she crazy? Aiight, that explains it!
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Name:
DOne
Comment: >asize12, i'm sitting here almost holding my breath trying not to laugh out loud lol
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: barnone, plenty of black men are furious he has a black wife...did you know that? He's with her for the same reason he was a member of Rev. Wright's church...to gain access to black folks he can USE for his own political aspirations. Don't say you weren't warned.
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Name:
asize12
Comment: >DOne, just thought I throw a lil' bit of humor up in hurr...
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Name:
huey
Comment: javone77 ----dang...u making me ready to pick out a ring and get on the first thang smokin to dallas...um um um...
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Name:
javone77
Comment: asize12: black chickens?!?!? ROFL
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Name:
TGen
Comment: Musdherbs, Drudge showed that Zogby had Obama up 14 in NC and up 2 in Indiana. Again, every poll I saw for those upcoming weeks pretty much mirrored that. I had not seen one that showed her up in IN. Granted, I didn't pay as close attention the past week and a half or so (I was in Hawaii! :)), but I still glanced at the news every once in a while and I just didn't see what yall are saying. Maybe I'm wrong. But my point remains the same. Had he won both (which was highly possible), this race would be over, period. No amount of spin or anything could have kept her alive. That did not happen, and thus we have at least a few more days or weeks of this mindless punditry which has left me for one, fatigued. I'm just ready for it to be OVER. She needs to be laid to rest.
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: BlackThought, think about Clarence Thomas. Get the picture now?
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Name:
librason
Comment: LMBAO @ Drknow, herbs, Huey & asize. Yall MOFO's gone get a brother fired......when good post go bad.
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Name:
TGen
Comment: That should have read "Drudge showed YESTERDAY that..."
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Asize... you're funny as hell.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Name: MELODYCOOL Comment: barnone, plenty of black men are furious he [OBAMA] has a black wife...did you know that? He's with her for the same reason he was a member of Rev. Wright's church...to gain access to black folks he can USE for his own political aspirations. Don't say you weren't warned."...OK do we need more evidence that's she's a psycho or what? TGEN...w/in the past week, she was projected to win at least by 7 in ID and possibly a narrow 3/4 in NC. So her really outperformed. Don't let it get you down. HE'S WINNING! lol
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Name:
TGen
Comment: *Still waiting on that "Hillary is the best candidate" explanation* Creenj? GHank? Anyone? I'll keep asking til it's quitting time today, lol *Patiently awaiting*
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: TGEN..now you know we asked that question all the time and the answers aren't anything substantive.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: stop playin
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Name:
TGen
Comment: lol True Mus, true. But I'm all for second chances. *Still waiting* HC supporters, WHERE YALL AT? PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE tell me what makes her a better candidate! Inquiring minds (like mine and Asize's) want to know. Help us see the light! *Waiting*
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Name:
leokev
Comment: Very positive results last night! Of course, they will have a field day with W. Virginia and Kentucky, but the math is indisputable. I'm from KY - the best BO can hope for is Jefferson Co. (Louisville) and maybe Fayette Co. (Lexington). Both areas are college towns and have some degree of prosperity. The rest of the state is virtually "deliverance" country. W. Va. is too similar to Pa. The media needs something to exploit. they have taken their best (albeit weakazz) shot at BO and he hasn't broken. Interesting commentary on this board. As for MelodyCool and CREENEJ, all I can say is damn.
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Name:
Exmun
Comment: DrKnowItAll, ... Michelle O. has been a bit of eye candy for a while now. And 'yes' she is sporting a very nice donkey back thurr.
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Name:
asize12
Comment: >TGen, it's a lost cause boo. There IS no explanation. Other than hateration & holleration in this danceree...
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Name:
barnone
Comment: ok melody> as i wrote early i truly was wanting and trying 2 give u the benefit of the doubt being as though i'm a nationalistic sista and all, but i'm gonna have 2 concede 2 the rest. it pains me to write this, but sis u r a few screws short. he married Michelle out of political aspirations? b glad this is cyberspace, hence protecting your anonymity and can't noone c u other than you would get straight clowned.
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Name:
TGen
Comment: Shhh! Asize, you know that, I know that, most thinking people know that. lol But I still want to ask the question. I think just asking the question brings the point home. Plus, it's fun to (metaphorically) see them squirm. lol So um, *Still waiting* Any biters? Any takers? The floor is yours. Please substantiate your support. Gracias!
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Name:
Exmun
Comment: Melodycool, what makes Hillary Clinton a better candidate for Black people than Barack. Answer that question between all the warnings.
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IF MCCAIN GETS INTO OFFICE....WASHINGTON - President Bush threatened Wednesday to veto Democrats' broad housing rescue package, saying it won't help struggling homeowners.
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"We are committed to a good housing bill that will help folks stay in their house, as opposed to a housing bill that will reward speculators and lenders," Bush said at the White House after meeting with House Republican leaders.
The measure, aimed at preventing foreclosures, would have the government step in to insure up to $300 billion in new mortgages for struggling homeowners. A House vote could come later Wednesday.
Bush's comments clouded the prospects for a bipartisan housing deal this year.
The bill by Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., would relax standards at the Federal Housing Administration so it could back more affordable, fixed-rate loans for borrowers currently too financially strapped to qualify.
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: Despite growing GOP support for the plan, especially among Republicans from areas hardest hit by the housing crisis, it could fall victim to an election-year fight over which party is doing more to help homeowners in need.
The White House calls the plan a burdensome bailout that would open taxpayers to too much risk.
It has also threatened that Bush would veto a separate bill to send $15 billion to states to buy and fix up foreclosed properties. Officials say that measure rewards lenders and investors who own the property, and could act as an incentive for them to foreclose rather than find ways to help struggling borrowers stay in their homes.
The opposition comes despite Democrats' attempts to attract Republican support for their housing package by including a grab-bag of measures Bush has called for.
Those include legislation to overhaul the FHA, the Depression-era mortgage insurer, and to more tightly regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that finance home loans. Also part of the plan is a measure, which Bush has repeatedly requested, allowing state and local housing finance agencies to use tax-exempt bonds to refinance distressed subprime mortgages.
The plan's main element by Frank, the Financial Services Committee chairman, is projected to help roughly 500,000 borrowers at a cost of $2.7 billion over the next five years. Under Frank's bill, the FHA would relax its standards to let debt-ridden homeowners refinance into more affordable, fixed-rate mortgages if their lenders agreed to take substantial losses on the original loans.
Borrowers would have to show they could afford to make payments on the new mortgages. They would have to share with FHA at least half of their proceeds if they profited from selling or refinancing again.
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Name:
huey
Comment: bigchassie --- guess what?
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: Frank, who has consulted on the plan with Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, has picked up some Republican support, especially among lawmakers representing areas hit hardest by the housing crisis.
But GOP leaders strongly oppose the bill, which they say would help reckless borrowers who overextended themselves, unscrupulous lenders, and investors who tried to game the market at the expense of renters and homeowners who made wiser choices.
The plan is to be combined with $11 billion in housing tax breaks, including a $7,500 credit for first-time home-buyers that would function like a zero-interest government loan, to be paid off over 15 years.
As part of the package, the House is scheduled to vote on an amendment — bitterly opposed by the financial services industry but championed by governors — that would ensure that neither the FHA plan nor other banking laws pre-empt state foreclosure laws. It's aimed at letting states that have recently moved to make it harder to evict homeowners continue those efforts
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: musbdherbs, go any any interracial site where black men worship white women and you will see it for yourselves. They often ask why is he with a black woman and the women there co-sign with that mindset. They do not relish the idea of any successful so-called black man being seen with a woman who is unambiguously "black". It's almost blasphemous to them.
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: HUEY>hello! okay! *SMH*
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Name:
sonnyd
Comment: I'm reallllll late and thangs, but what de hell do y'all have popping off up in here???? Danggggg! And I thought Donna was getting rowdy last night!
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Name:
huey
Comment: bigchassie ---pssst between u and i (huey whispering in your ear) MelodyCool crazy as a looney tune cartoon....
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: barnone, this time next year all of you driven to mass psychosis over Obama will feel clowned and azzed out.
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Name:
CaliRedbone
Comment: SMH.... chass' sweetie, I think somebody needs a big drank of sipsip today....
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Name:
Exmun
Comment: MelodyCool, ... what makes Hillary Clinton (or ANY other candidate) better for Black people than Barack Obama?
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Name:
TGen
Comment: MelodyCool, please go take your meds and THEN come back and answer my question for goodness sake! What makes Hillary Clinton a better candidate than Barack Obama? *WAITING*
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Name:
GHank
Comment: TGen>>>>I said many moons ago why I like HRC, but for the sake of arguing again, I will tell you. I liked her plan on healthcare; I liked her position on getting the troops oout of Iraq. I supported her move (with Bill on NAFTA). Sure, a lot of people felt differently on it, but the thing that no one talked about is that minority entrepenurship (sp?) especially for AA's went up during that same time. More minority loans were set aside for AA"s. She came to New Jersey a while ago talikng about this, and I went to see her at the Apollo Theatre back in 2003 or 2004 and she was talking about this then. Now, the Clintons did a lot for HBCU schools as far as helping to raise money...especially UNCF. As a matter of fact, Bill Clinton spoke at the UNCF dinner in NYC last March (2007) and committed to helping Dillard & Xavier Universities. HRC was going to continue the effort of HBCU funding. That's mostly why I supported Hillary. This is why I refused to "throw her under the bus" when everyone continues to try to make her the "anti-christ". Did I like the fact that she lied about the Bosina thing? Nope! But hey, I can live with that. Is Obama a good person? Sure he is. But before the Iowa primaries, I really didn't know that much about him. John Edwards was someone I really like. He really looks after the regular folks. He'a milloinaire, but he made his money as a lawyer going after big businesses who tries to get over on regular hard working people. I was really impressed with that. So to be reallly transparent, I really liked all 3 candidates. I didn't even vote in the New Jersey primaries because I was that undecided and I knew that HRC had a lock in New Jersey. I hope this sums up once and for all why I liked Hillary.
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Name:
CRENEEJ
Comment: TGEN &ASIZE, my lack of support for BO has never been about policy, but my personal feelings towards him. i've said many times that they are both qualified for the job, and neither is better than the other, but i prefer her. it's my preference.... and ASIZE, BO calling the gas tax a gimmick is funny b/c he pushed for it in chicago a few years back....
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Name:
asize12
Comment: >melody...crack kills.
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: The questions of what makes Clinton a better candidate over Obama has been answered severally. Fools just want something to pick apart because they are thirsty for the "wrong" black man who is not even black. In 2010 what will you say when Obama takes a stand and tell you he approves of their new category? You may as well loosen your affinity now!
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Name:
sonnyd
Comment: Hold up! Did you guys see that McGovern, an early HRC supporter, is also now urging her to drop out?
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Name:
asize12
Comment: >creneej, and Hillary voted FOR the war a few years back...what's your point?
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: asize12, coke kills too. Go ask Obama!!!!
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Name:
sonnyd
Comment: Creeneej - "BO calling the gas tax a gimmick is funny b/c he pushed for it in chicago a few years back...." And he's said that's why he can unequivocally say it's a gimmick because he's seen how it works - - and it doesn't.
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Name:
DrKnowItAll
Comment: I'm starting to think there is no end to this bi-racial rant by Melody. Going to biased websites is no rational way to get answers to our questions. I don't like Barack because he's HALF BLACK, I like him because he seems to have a clue about Washington being sold to the highest bidding corporations, selling tax paying citizens out while they get rich. It's not a black problem, it's a problem for everybody... now back to the bootayyy.. I guess I'm the last voting brotha to notice but damnnnn. At the inaugaration, I wanna see her shake that big thang to MS. NEW BOOTY.... "BOOTY BOOTY BOOTY BOOTY ROCKIN EVERYWHERE, ROCKIN EVERYWHERE, BOOTY BOOTY BOOTY BOOTY ROCKIN EVERYWHERE!!!!... yeah son!!!!
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Name:
CRENEEJ
Comment: and u can call it hateration and holleration if u want, but i'm standing w/ it. i'll support if/when he gets the nod, but i don't think a black president is going to level the playing field. hell a woman boss doesn't level the playing field for women... i don't like what he said about wright and farakkhan, and i don't have to. everyone here is begging for my reason in saying she is better. i didn't say that she is.. i said that "i think she is" and it's for personal reasons. i really, truly don't care for him, and you all should check out the link to the first article Melody posted. if anything else, it's informative.
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Name:
CRENEEJ
Comment: ASIZE, she also made a mistake and has admitted it. has BO taken ownership of anything that has gone against him? Sonny, i can appreciate that, but thats what he should have said instead of throwin her under the bus w/ the comments he made. sorry, that's just the way i feel about it.
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Name:
asize12
Comment: <<<cyberhug>>> melody, here punkin...I think you need some love. This hug is for you and your good friends on those retarded as*s websites that reak of self-loathing. I get it...it's apparent that you and those bozos over on those SELF-HATE websites obviously hate yourselves. Smooches!
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Name:
CRENEEJ
Comment: so where was his superior judgment then? i'm sayin i don't care for him. yall really won't convince me otherwise, and noone has been able to really respect the idea of someone black not supporting BO. so i disagree w/ Melody on this point: I don't believe that BO is what's splitting up the party or is the downfall, but i do believe a lot of his supporters (not u ASIZE cuz i luv ya, but the MJB lyrics were a bit much) do alienate those who don't support him.
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Name:
librason
Comment: Damn! Some dude really fvk'd melodycool up. She should lay on somebody's couch and talk about it.
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Name:
TGen
Comment: Hmmm, GHank, so let me get this straight. First, I said what makes Hillary a BETTER candidate than Obama, NOT what you like about her. lol But I'll bite. Healthcare--what specifically makes HER plan superior to his? And her Iraq plan? What specifically makes HER plan superior to his? The rest of the things you name are NOT HERS, they were her HUSBAND'S. So, just as I suspect, you were unable to name ONE ACCOMPLISHMENT by HER, NOT her HUSBAND, to substantiate your support. And even in your defense of her, you still FAILED to show how in comparison she is a superior candidate to Obama. So sorry, the question remains, lest you can bring some FACTS (about healthcare) and ACCOMPLISHMENTS (from HER, not her hubby). *I'm still waiting, but I won't hold my breath* lol Po thang...
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Name:
HarrisThomas
Comment: O-BA-MA!! voted for a gas tax holiday in Illinois, studied it and found that it does not work which he admitted to on Meet the Press . . . . . hillarious has loaned her campaign $6.4 million dollars (where is she gettint it?) . . . . . George McGovern has switched to supporting O-BA-MA!! and is calling for hillarious to quit
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Name:
TGen
Comment: Creenj, thanks. You actually SPELLED out my headline, lol. "My lack of support for BO has never been about policy, but my personal feelings towards him." Now, say that out loud. Explain to others how your "personal feelings" for someone YOU DON'T KNOW PERSONALLY should be a substantive reason for voting for or against someone, lol--Or not. But thanks for playing. SMH
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Name:
asize12
Comment: >creneej, it's fine that you don't like him. I've told you before that I respect your decision. TGen, myself & others just wonder if there's a clear reason why because we have yet to hear it. That's all. And would you really waste your time reading a website that has black men on there hating sistahs? That's like visiting kkk.com, you KNOW it's gon' leave you po'd when you read that crap! How is some negroes confessing their hatred for black women and love for white women informative? No thanks...As for Obama admitting to his mistakes, see sonnyd's post up ^.
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Name:
HarrisThomas
Comment: based on an article link from Melody in an earlier post, I posted a response comment concerning the article's excerpt of an O-BA-MA!! letter to Puerto Rico . . . . the tone of the article is pro-hillarious and attempts to beat down a rational BHO commitment
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Name:
sonnyd
Comment: HT get out of my head! :) And Creeneej, believe me, I'm not trying to change your mind because I figured out a long time ago, respectfully, that your mind is closed to that. But I disagree with your %*$essment of him throwing her under the bus. And to that end, while you say that Obama supporters are basically turning off her supporters, her supporters are doing the same thing because a lot of them seem to be A LOT like the image their candidate is projecting - - I'm right, you're wrong, and I'm not even trying to hear what you're saying. It's almost like the level of stubborness that you see in a 6 year old. It's very alarming. And again, you see my posts on here all the time that are done in love, so you know I'm not coming AT you. But I hope you can recognize what I'm saying in that.
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Name:
DrKnowItAll
Comment: Not true CREENJ.. you know how some of us get.. we're gonna argue you into the ground but it's all love.. Nobody's hating on you.. I respect your opinion on not supporting Obama. I actually liked Hillary before the election began and would have voted for her had not Barack spoke a political language I understood better and believed in more than. Not to mention Hillary playing the race card in Pennsylvania. That turned me off to her.
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Name:
amethyst
Comment: DrKnowItAll & huey - A few months ago I saw Barack on a show on BET (can't remember the name of it). The journalist asked him was it important that he married a Black woman, or why did he marry one. Barack answered, "Well, first of all, my wife is fine." Okay, he got Brother Cool Points from me instantly!! Any Black man who can appreciate Black women can at least get me to listen to him for a few minutes. He also talked about Michelle's other attributes, and I appreciated him publicly announcing that he loves and respects his wife and believes she is attractive. Michelle is attractive and smart. A real sista if you ask me. The Clintons, McCains and Guilianis all have drama and scandals in their marital history. So far, all we've heard about Obama is his being married to one woman, who is the mother of both of his children.
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Name:
TGen
Comment: Melodycool, you say: "The questions of what makes Clinton a better candidate over Obama has been answered severally." Not by you. The other two struck out, couldn't answer the question with facts and accomplishments. Now it's your turn, your turn to pull them out of the hole. Shoot...
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Name:
CRENEEJ
Comment: TGEN, u can shake ur head all you want. i don't really have to justify to you. i didn't ask you to justify your reasoning to me. i can have a personal opinion about anyone regardless of what you think, and I from what I've seen of him do not care for him. it's as simple as that.
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Name:
DrKnowItAll
Comment: amethyst...what???? I didn't see that...LMAO..BO is earning more of my respect daily... I need to find that clip because that's some real black man *sh right here...see my point, a nice donkey does matter!!!
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HarrisThomas
Comment: uh, oh, amethyst, the lunatic fringe will attack your "so far" qualification . . . . . from huffingtonpost: THE MONEY: Clinton Lends Herself Another $6.4 Million... $11.4 Million In Total...
THE MOMENTUM: Senior Clinton Official: "It's Going To Be Tough For Us... We Lost This Thing In February"... Hillary Cancels Morning Show Appearances... Clinton Advisers Expect Calls To Resign From
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HarrisThomas
Comment: is the fat lady singing or tuning up to sing?
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sonnyd
Comment: DrKnow is in my head, too! I was just talking about this. Above all else, I'm sorely disappointed in her. I'd always respected HRC and thought she was a brilliant woman. I bought into the fact that the Repubs were just picking on the Clintons. But man, she's messed that all up for me. Yeah, politics is brutal and dirty and all of that, but she's messing with her own party. And did any of you get the "between the lines" message last night when they were talking about the party doesn't want any October surprises that Ickes is doing some MORE BHO digging? A Democrat! It's crazy!!!I mean, really people. Enough is enough.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Ghank...w/much respect let's review what you said. You like her healthcare plan bcz she mandates coverage for everyone. I'm not sure which position on get'n troops out you are referencing so I can't really comment on that one. Now beyond those two, do you realize that you actually posted why you like what Bill did in the yt house...not what makes her a better qualified. "He" supported/signed NAFTA. "She" says that she was against it and was not with Bill. So, I don't understand what you mean by "supporting her move w/Bill." What was her role re: minority entrepreneurship? What did she do re: HBCU's? You said that it was Bill who wrote that letter? So you support her because she agreed that HBCU's deserve more funding? Is there a democrat president alive who won't commit to funding HBCU's? I'm only half-joking w/you. But, I want to point out that whenever someone answers "why" they prefer her, it is always inextricably tied to her husband. That's just kinda strange to me. I ain't tryin to knock you. But can you honestly say that she has earned your support based on things "she" has done and not her husband. If so, then that's not what you posted. Crenee..yes he did vote for it. He has admitted that and said that when they did pass it, the oil companies simply raised the gas prices which negated the whole purpose of the tax drop. I know he doesn't get credit for any legislative experience. But, shouldn't the IL proposal/results work in his favor?
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HarrisThomas
Comment: sonnyd, that's slash and burn republican politics . . . . . Keith Olberman got on her case for campaigning against BHO likes he a republican opponent
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huey
Comment: amethyst --i hear ya...if u get a chance, go to bed-rocks website. check out the video when he is on the bus. there u will see him speaking of his wife and how he swooned her. it is classic, he even slouches over in the seat like brothers do when we get the honey we finally been pursuing for a long time. he got real cool...it is nice to see.
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CRENEEJ
Comment: no, asize the first article she posted was something to the effect of BO having to distance himself from blacks. it was interesting to read that person's opinion. DrKnow, i feel you, and i don't feel like everyone is coming at me, but there are several on this website that do. but the other thing i've always said (ASIZE and AMETHYST know) is that i WILL SUPPORT BO if he gets the nod.
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sonnyd
Comment: Amethyst - I saw that on BET, too! It was a special they did with him and they did a separate one with HRC. It was something like "What's In It for Black America?" I was hollering when he said that!
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GHank
Comment: TGen>>>Don't put words in my mouth. I never said that Hillary would make a better candidate. I'm just telling you why I like her as a candidate. I am not going to go "tit for tat" you with you on why you think Obama is a better candidate. If you like Obama, more power to you. I told you why I like Hillary. I don't have to keep explaining why because I am never going to convince you anyway.
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write2live32
Comment: MelodyCool needs Jesus.....or something...but I digress. All of this working white voter stuff will be put to bed when Obama picks a running mate. All he needs to do is pick someone they would vote for, like Sen. Jim Webb. Or if he wants to bring white women back into the fold, he can maybe get Gov. Sebellius from Kansas. Obama will do just fine. Working class folks are dumb if they vote for McCain, with his admitted lack of knowledge of the economy. White women wouldn't be smart to support McCain, who did not support a law to establish equal pay for equal work that would benefit women.
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TGen
Comment: Creneej, you are so right. I'm not owed a justification, especially one in which you are unwilling or incapable of providing. My overall point is that it's a sad and scary thing when people cannot justify with facts and reason why they support or don't support a candidate. You are of the same ilk who supported George Bush, those who voted on "feelings" versus substantive reasons. Thankfully, you are becoming the minority. More and more people are thinking on a higher plane, daring to look past soundbites and little drumbeats from the candidates. Rather, they're doing their homework, they're actually paying attention to the facts, not the innuendo. If they weren't, there is no way in the world Obama would be in the position he's in right now. He is the anti-Hillary, directly opposite of the kind of politician she is. She promotes soundbites, she doesn't want you to do your homework (Bosnia ring a bell), she wants you to just take her word for it, lol, do as she says, not as she does. Obama on the other hand, is a "look at what I do, am trying to do, and have done" type of person. He promised a campaign that would raise the conversation to a respectable level and for the most part, he stuck to that. Hillary chose to be patronizing and pounce on every soundbite the media would feed her (Ayers, Wright, Farrhakan, etc.) She wanted people to make just the kind of mistake GHank articulated--confuse her record with her husband's. She EXPECTS people to be naive and uninformed. My POINT was that when you are NOT informed, you play into her hands. She makes a FOOL out of you. But I digress...
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asize12
Comment: >creneej, I got nothin' but love for you. For real, cuz even though you don't care for him you still say that you'd vote for him in November and that's what counts! I am curious about something though...do you ever watch Obama speak or do you only watch Hillary? Me, I watch both just to make comparisons and to hear what both of them have to say...>TGen, you can ask that same question here...on cnn.com, politico.com and any other website and you still won't get an answer because there is none...
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musbdherbs
Comment: Crenee..so it really just boils down to you not liking him. That's cool, I can deal w/that. So all this other talk that you have offered against him is rather moot. You don't like him. There are yt folk who won't vote for Obama cuz he's black. There are men who won't vote for Hellary cuz she's a woman. Then there are those who won't vote for either candidate because they simply "don't like them." IMO, all of those groups are on the fringes of our society which is where they should be. No, that is not meant as a slight to you. It's just an observation.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: well, ahm thanking that it's time for the superdelegates to make a choice before we get to the May 31 Rules Committee meeting where hillarious can arm twist and jack people for their support to seat Michigan and Florida delegates . . . . . yes, they should be seated but their participation should not be based on how badly hillarious needs them
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TGen
Comment: GHank, reading is fundamental. I did NOT "put words in your mouth," lol. You RESPONDED to my question, but in doing so you came up short. The QUESTION was "What makes her a BETTER candidate?" NOT "what do you like about her?" So if you WEREN'T at least trying to respond to my question, what were you responding to? Bottom line, you were UNABLE to articulate what makes her a BETTER candidate and you were called out. Don't take your frustration out on me. lol Go get informed so you can make a more informed decision come November. Kay? Kay...
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HarrisThomas
Comment: so true, write2live32, the O-BA-MA!! running mate has to work well with him to seal the party division as well as win over Obamacans, indys, working class, rural, latino, asian, illegal immigrant and any other voters feeling overlooked
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Deb70
Comment: From the Huffington Post by Lawrence O'Donnell
"A senior campaign official and Clinton confidante has told me that there will be a Democratic nominee by June 15. He could not bring himself to say the words "Hillary will drop out by June 15," but that is clearly what he meant. I kept saying, "So, Hillary will drop out by June 15," and he kept saying, "We will have a nominee by June 15." He stressed what a reasonable person Hillary is.
Everything about our conversation implied that he had already had this reality-based discussion with Hillary. He said the Clinton campaign plan is to collect as many votes and delegates as they can right through June 3, then take no more than a week or so to make their case to the superdelegates. Nothing he said indicated that he actually expected the superdelegates to move to Hillary in the week after the final election. The Clinton campaign has not lost its grip on reality. Yes, Clinton spokespersons publicly seem to be lost on gravity-free planet Clinton, but privately they know the end is near."
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Taurusingr
Comment: With the "math" being a realistic factor,Sillary CAN'T POSSIBILY catch or BEAT Obama!! But the "party" STILL acts like there'e s a reason why this "B" should still be at the "party"! I'v said it b4 & I'll say it again....Sillary is like (actually she IS) An ugly chick at a dance....Nobody wants to look at her, dance with her nor TALK to her!!!....and she STILL WON'T take her %*$ home!!!! I wonder if "they" have another Jeremiah "WRONG" plot or something up their sleeves!??? I know she's in DENIAL lika mutha!!!, but I'd keep my eyes on them mo fo's!!! Their must SOME other reason why she stays & the "party" WON'T tell her %*$ to....PACK YO SHYT UP!!! One!!
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HarrisThomas
Comment: Taurusingr, you haven't been speaking your mind lately: tell us how you really, really feeL!
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CRENEEJ
Comment: TGEN, again w/ the long posts but not saying anything. i DO NOT have to give you a reason for anything. there is nothing i can say that you would accept. i've known this for a while, and just b/c i'm not willing to copy and paste her achievements or his doesn't mean i don't know about them. this back and forth with you is draining. MUSB, you're somewhat right. i don't like him, personally, from what i've seen, but to disagree w/ his policy, i'd have to disagree w/ hers. something about him just doesn't sit well with me. oh and TGEN, just so you know, he is personally the 'anti-hillary'. their policies are very similar. you, TGEN, really turn me off from BO more than he could possibly do b/c you try to belittle me to make your point. i've already said that for the good of the party, i'd support him, can you say the same if the roles were reversed. be very careful, b/c you're walking a tight fanatical line.
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TGen
Comment: 0 for 2. I got a couple more minutes. Melodycool? Anyone? Do you want to try to score a run for your team? Else yall are about to strike out. *Waiting for these last couple minutes for that explanation*
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HarrisThomas
Comment: for real?: Voter ID law blocks Indiana nuns from voting
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amethyst
Comment: crenee & GHank - I've always respected your choice of Hillary and your reasons, and will continue to do so. Your comments never sound psychotic, we just have different choices. Smooches to both of you, ><. Going to websites where biracial people say they don't like Black people does not represent all biracial people. Just like going to a KKK or Aryan website does not represent all white people. There is something to be said for being around and exposed to a variety of people and basing your beliefs and opinions on personal experience, not stuff you read that is written by strangers on the internet.
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Taurusingr
Comment: P.S......And with those late %*$ 2% ballots coming in...I wonder if some of those OTHER (Obama) votes got .......LOST or some shyt!!??? When a race is THAT F'n close.....You ought to COUNT THAT SHYT AGAIN!!!! Remember what happened when Gore had them do that the 1st time....They found 897 F'n votes FOR HIM, that were ..."Mis"-counted like this beeeeeeaaaaatch "Mis"-spoke!!! B.S.!!!
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MelodyCool
Comment: CRENEEJ, they don't care what he did to Rev. Wright, Farakhan or the black newspaper owners. This is why I know they will be complaining bigtime if Obama is elected POTUS because the "mistake" will finally settle in. Even Baraka said "if you don't ask for something you will get nothing" from Obama. He's taking black voters for granted and for a ride!
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huey
Comment: CRENEEJ
"something about him just doesn't sit well with me".....whew....and u have a right to vote, but some ex cons dont....
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amethyst
Comment: HarrisThomas - How can we know from where Hillary gets her money, she won't share her tax returns?
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TGen
Comment: LOL, Creenj, I had to respond with a LONG post to refute your B.S. And because your comprehension seems to be lacking, what I meant with the "anti-Hillary" thing was the WAY they run their campaigns, tis like night and day. And p.s. Trust, NOTHING I have said says "fanatical." I get "fanatical" over NO man. What I stated is proven, it actually HAPPENED, lol. It is irrefutable. And to answer your question, HELL NO, I would NOT vote for your candidate. But UNLIKE you, I have good, PROVABLE reasons--she is a LIAR who plays on people's IGNORANCE. Toodles...
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TGen
Comment: P.S. And Creenj, I didn't belittle you--Hillary did. Think about it...
Huey, lol, touche!
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dcdouglass01
Comment: MelodyCool: "barnone, plenty of black men are furious he has a black wife...did you know that?" MelodyCool can certainly pull some shyt out of her azz. This rage must be expressing itself somewhere online. On what website can I witness this fury? MC, you also mentioned something about Obama's ethnic mix of white and Black. Are you black? Complexion-wise, I mean. Are you like, Sudanese-type black? Or are you first-generation African? Otherwise, you probably got some white within yourself.
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Taurusingr
Comment: Harris Thomas:....You so craaaaaaazy!!! LOL!!! Hey,.... sometimes, the words WON'T come!!!!! LMBAO!!
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bigchassie
Comment: HUEY/CALIRED>uh, i truly agree witch chall on that one! i'm leaving that alone! *slowly backing up*
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sonnyd
Comment: Huey! Be nice!!!
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MelodyCool
Comment: asize12, I love "black" over any other group and we need to take a page from biracials and other nonblacks in that respect. We always elevate others over our "own" and they are accustomed to this. Now they are getting ready to smack blacks in the face for the outpouring of love and worship they never deserved in the first place. Here's another site to check for the photo of Chance Kelsey (from chancellorfiles.com). Black folks better wake up and smell the coffee. mulattopeople.org.
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bigchassie
Comment: ASIZE>*Cracking the heyell up at Chicken story* that is priceless!! where did you get that piece?? i love it!
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javone77
Comment: Hey Taurus! LOL I see ya speaking out LOL
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Taurusingr
Comment: Harris Thomas:...So what do you think about....John Edwards??? I remember "O" & Edwards DID meet a few months ago!! I wonder if THAT is what they discussed, you know!!??? Holla!!
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asize12
Comment: I echo what amethyst said to creneej & ghank. And I would also like to add that personally, I don't feel as if a black person should vote for Obama JUST BECAUSE he's black just as I feel a person shouldn't vote for Hillary just cuz she's a woman. But, of course there are gonna be people that do that anyway. Some people vote for their candidate for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with their policies. I've heard someone say that she's voting for Obama cuz he's fine, wtf??? But, her vote still counts regardless of her reasoning or lack there of. Same thing goes for yt folks not voting for Obama soley because he's black...nevermind his policies and the fact that he'd make a good president. They just refuse to vote for him cuz he's black, period. And that's where you have the bozos voting for Hillary just so Obama will lose. My point is that everyone doesn't base their decision on the same things, we all know that. But what you base your vote on is irrelevant cuz when you go vote, you just punch or 'click' your candidate of choice. There's no 'comments' section on the ballad...
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MelodyCool
Comment: HarrisThomas, the point is Obama could never make any such commitments unique to blacks because he's afraid of alientating nonblacks. He was not sympathetic to the Sean Bell verdict and had the nerve to tell blacks not to engage in any civil disobedience when one rock hasn't been thrown. This man is for his own type!
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javone77
Comment: Taurus: ROFL @ ugly girl at the party LOL
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DrKnowItAll
Comment: I'm still not understanding the psychology behind sites like mulattopeople.org... If they aren't black and don't like black people then what are they? are they pro-white? why not call the site whitepeoplewithadropofblackbloodbutIhatedemn**gaz.org It's all so confusing!!!
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Taurusingr
Comment: javonne77:....What's up....playa!!??? lol!! Yeah, it has to be said!!!
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TGen
Comment: Well, I for one DON'T co-sign the "for the good of the party" spiel. F the party, Democrat and Republican. Vote for the PERSON, not the PARTY. If you don't believe in someone, you shouldn't vote for them, period.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: Melody? really, truly, your posts are a cry for help . . . . . it's not funny to me anymore . . . . . you would benefit greatly from a laying on of hands (for real, I don't mean b!tch slapping)
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TGen
Comment: Tis called integrity.
Peace out.
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DrKnowItAll
Comment: reminds me of the Dave Chappelle skit with the blind black white supremist...LMAO.. mulattopeople.org LMAO... wow.
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Taurusingr
Comment: TGen:....Yo....handle yo biz & shut that dumb shyt ....down!!!! I'm witcha!!! Holla!!!!
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asize12
Comment: Just to clarify, my comment about 'bozos voting for Hillary just so Obama will lose' was directed toward republicans...
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amethyst
Comment: Huey - I respect crenee's statements that she doesn't "like" Barack, that something about him doesn't sit well with him, because I like him and his cool, tempered demeanor impresses me. Applying "like" or "dislike" to a candidate although you don't know them personally doesn't bother me, because some elected officials turn me off. I understand what crenee means by some folks just not hitting you right.
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naturalsista
Comment: drknowitall and anyone else interested here is the link to the bet special 'what's in it for us?' interview with barack obama where obama responsed to the question of why it was important for him to marry a black woman. barack stated "...first of all if you've met my wife she is fine..." there are 9 clips. http://www.bet.com/onblast/default.html?chan=4&id=1479 &i=15&sub=&itype=e
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javone77
Comment: Taurus: Playa?!?!? I think NOT! LOL I have too much going on to be a playa lol I'll leave that to you lol
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MelodyCool
Comment: amethyst, I have a wealth of experience with biracials and that's how I know black folks are in trouble for worshipping them. It won't pay off.
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Name:
rayne
Comment: I hear what each & everyone of you are saying, but the bottom line is if we don't stop all this arguing about who is the better candidate, McCain is going to slip in the back door & win the White House. Hillary & Obama talk about change, but look at how Bush got in a 2nd time. He put fear in the American’s head. Sure, I know WE want change but how many American’s truly want change? I also believe that the health care issue is not going to change; it is waaaay too deep now.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: Melody, I posted earlier what I expect from BHO or any other politician . . . . . towards the end of the civil rights era, politicians maintained a benine neglect stance that fvcked over all lower classes . . . . . . even in the face of massive difference, I'm kinda thinking that I am no longer a hyphenated American: I am American and blessed to be here because I could not be me in most countries in the world including on the continent of Africa
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MelodyCool
Comment: DrKnowItAll, they are mixed...mainly black men/white women. In the UK biracials aren't considered black and have a separate category which will be the same in 2010. What I've noticed about biracials is they despise blacks and are extremely protective of whites.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: Taurusingr, I don't think that Edwards wants to be in the second spot on a campaign ticket plus it's not clear to me that he can help to pull the rabid hillarious supporters, Obmacans, etc.
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huey
Comment: amethyst ---i hear ya, but this chicks lack of research is racking on my nerves... it is one thing for someone to "not sit right with ya", it is another to have no basis whatsoever for her arguement. it basisless rhetoric. uggggghh...
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GHank
Comment: TGen>>>>Trust me, you are the last person that can frustrate me. Like I said, I don't have time to argue with you about Obama. I like the guy, but I don't get all emotional about all of this. May the best candidate win.
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asize12
Comment: >ame, I saw that interview on BET and I too was impressed and I gave him a few 'cool points' for that remark too...He also got cool points for saying that "People are falling for the okey-doke" and I felt so much pride when he stated the OBVIOUS while he was speaking...he said "I'm a black man". And although we all know he is, it just feels so good to hear him SAY IT out loud! *singing* Say it loud, I'm black & I'm proud!
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MelodyCool
Comment: DrKnowItAll, wait til you get a load of chancellorfiles.com. I have the name of another site which I'll post later. Those people of sick of blacks referring to them as black and saying "well, we're all mixed somewhere down the line". They're even contemplating having marches and say they must be militant when it comes to blacks. I ask them how do they feel about whites establishing the one drop rule. They feel blacks uphold this rule and whites would stop if we did.
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Taurusingr
Comment: asize12:...That always %*$!es me off too!!!! When someone tries to REDUCE Obama to just being a BLACK candidate & his BLACK supporters only do so b/c he's black!! You notice...when "O:" won in states like...Utah & Montana & shyt, they didn't ....bring that shyt up, did they!!??? And speaking of the "race card"...THE F'N MEDIA is the BIGGEST PLAYER OF IT!!! Every time you see a poll,hear an analyst,etc...Dem mo fo's are talkin bout ....the ratio of Black voters to White voters!!! As I said b4.... Stop the DUMB SHYT!!! People Black & White are tired of the tired, repetitive,LYING %*$ PEOPLE in Washington!!! See, they want us ALL to think WE ALL DON'T have something(A LOT OF THINGS!!) in common!!! They make their money & CONTROL US with that RACIST, separation....... B.S.!!!!
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CRENEEJ
Comment: HUEY and TGEN, i don't even need to respond do I? would it make a difference. and just for the record Huey, i've started petitions to give ex-cons the right to vote. what have you done? i've organized buses so that inmates families can visit them. have you? what do you do? you can sit up here and look down your nose at me all you want to, but i'm not gonna succumb to either of your methods of cyber intimidation. we have differing opinions. call it what you want. i'm not callin you anything but a child of God for your choices. the worst thing is that you TWO are exactly what BO is against. hell hillary shoulda hired yall to her campaign.... JMHO. i don't think melody's points are without merit, and you should at least be willing to hear someone's side. i've given you my reasons. u can say she's a liar, so is he. and what? i just really hope there's nothin in his closet that the rethugs can bring out...
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HarrisThomas
Comment: in the global diaspora, aren't we all multi-racial? because there is no such thing as a pure-blood race of people? because of white slave master indiscriminate rutting, aren't blacks and yts pretty much multiracial? got WTF? brain freeze again
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DrKnowItAll
Comment: Melody, it is what it is. I won't be going to those sites though. Sounds like a bunch of confused wannabe whites to me. In the end, it will be a white person to let them know they aren't welcomed, so to speak. It always is.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: today, I truly miss khufu's kick-azz, take no prisioners comments even if it was a d!ck-slamming marathon
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Taurusingr
Comment: javonne77:...Whatever,whatever!!! sml!!! I just know between the 2 of us.......I'mmmmmm NOT the playa!! But, do yo thang!! (What's up Huey!?) lol!!!
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GHank
Comment: amethyst>>>>>My main goal is to see that the Democratic party is unfied so we can win in November. If Obama does, I'm cool...If Hillary does it, I'm cool. What I would not like to see is McCain do it in Nov. Like I keep trying to tell TGen, I really don't care because it is all about the plan, not the man.
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asize12
Comment: >melody, who gives a flyin' ef what those idots think! When they're dumb as*ses get through hollin' 'bout how much they HATE being called black, guess what? If they get pulled over by the po-po, THEY'Z NIGGRIN'! PERIOD! If they look black, then they are considered black by yt folks, I don't give a care how much they hate it. All of those sites just OOZE self-hatred to the utmost!
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huey
Comment: CRENEEJ ---good for u, i see no need to flash my credentials. nor do i subscribe to so called cyber intimadation as intimidation is in the mind of the beholder. but i will say, i did my share of canvassing for my main man BED-ROCK OBAMA...YES WE CAN!! YES WE CAN!!
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huey
Comment: Taurusingr LOL. i hear ya...i cant hide it...i digs me some javonne77...she got that je nais se qua that i find so sexy...it permeates through this cyber forum like a henry brendle candle of cool summers night...
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asize12
Comment: And what makes you or them think that if they walk past a klansman, they won't get hung? Like I said before, they gon' get called a nigg*er just like we get called one. Racist yt folks don't give a damn about how much 'white blood' you have in you! All they care about is the fact that you LOOK black. So, these retarded mofos on this other site, they're mixed right? That means that one of their parents is black...so how do they feel about the black parent? Do they hate 'em cuz they're black? Again, self-hatred at it's finest...
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Taurusingr
Comment: Harris Thomas:....Good point!..I just remember a lot of Edwards supporters...unions & etc..., got behind "O" when John left the race! I was thinking there's more to it than just "the process of elimination", you know!!?? But that is a good question thou...Who WOULD be a good,strong VP!!?? I heard someone (somewhere else) mention...get ready...wait for it...... Ta Da!!!! Colon Powell!?
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asize12
Comment: LOL @ taur! I got one...*drumroll* Hillary Clinton? LMAO!
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CRENEEJ
Comment: lol i got one too, HRC, 40% of the party seems to think so. JMHO. altho edwards would be cool too
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: Huey:...I KNOW huh!!??? That IS the difference between...females vs. A WOMAN!!! You can sense that ...."stuff" a mile away or even in...cyberspace!!! You know what I'm sayin!!! LOL!! Holla!!
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asize12
Comment: >creneej, I don't know if you answered my question ^^. I asked if you listen to Obama & Hillary's speeches or do you only listen to Hillary's? Just curious...
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javone77
Comment: Huey and Taurus: Ya'll must be on that narcotic like Ike turner LOL I am a woman but there are PLENTY of us out here trying to decipher real men from boys but ya'll are getting better with your "coverups" not saying you two personally but men in general lol
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Taurusingr
Comment: asize12:...NOW , YOU ARE REEEEEEEALLY SMOKIN!!!! Put that shyt....OUT!!!! LMBAO!!!!
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huey
Comment: hiiiii javone77 ...(as huey bashfully eyeballs javone77 from across the room, and offers her one of shrimp from him plate)
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DOne
Comment: There is one thing of which I'm sure. You can not assume what a hand full of people say on a website is representative of the group as a whole therefore a few biracial people doesn't represent the majority no more that you can make assumptions about how most black people feel about voting by reading what this board because I bet almost 100% of the posters on here will likely vote and that sure isn't most blacks. The sites Melodycool is referencing only represent the minority of biracial people who have issues with their blackness just like boards like this one only represents the minority of black people that actually votes. Those who have no interest in politics or voting don't post.
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amethyst
Comment: MelodyCool - Sorry your experiences with biracial people have been so negative. Mine have been positive and no different than my interactions with Black people who are not overtly biracial. I say "overtly" because many of us are "mixed" with something, thanks to ol' massa on the plantation. I did not inherit my small lips and nose from my African ancestors. One thing I can agree with you on is that Black folks do need to look out for and support one another. However, supporting your own race does not require you to denigrate or harm others. This is what many Americans have gotten twisted. Encouraging one doesn't equal impeding another.
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bigchassie
Comment: HUEY/JAVON>i tell you in the mist of crazy polictic talk about race and gender....there is some cute lovey-dovey stuff. uh do i need to get yall a room or sumpthin? there is a dark, vacant corner right over there! *pointing over to corner* yall need my big blue sofa? yall can borrow it. i swear it has never been used before! lol!
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Taurusingr
Comment: javonne77:...Yeah, we're on that "narcotic".....and it's called...THE TRUTH!!! There might be "sum mo" out there, but NOT as many as most Woman tend to think!!! Just as there NOT as many MEN for WOMEN! Just imagine the crap you go through with your girl friends, & that's NOT a romantic relationship! Now, take THAT & add the romance,gender differences,baggage etc...!! I say to you respectfully....Sheeeeeeeeaaaatt! LOL!!! Bottomline.....both good MEN & WOMEN are minorities, but WE have to know & continue to be aware of OUR existence!! In other words.....Don't let these CRACKHEADS change US!!! sml! P.S.......You STILL a playa thou!!! sml/LOL!!!!
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Taurusingr
Comment: bigchassie:....You so craaaaaaazy TOO! sml!! (it waaaaaas justa little break from the pressure, you know??) LOL!!
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asize12
Comment: DOne, good point.
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Taurusingr
Comment: javonne77:..Most "women" are very modest!! ANOTHER hella good trait to have!!! sml!!
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amethyst
Comment: In an ideal world people who are bi- or multi-racial would be free to embrace all of their heritages, and not lift up one while putting down the other. All of the bi-racial people I've known who have a Black parent mostly identify themselves as Black. Is this disregarding their other parent and family members? Is this perpetuating the slavemaster's premise that even one drop of Black blood "taints" a person and he/she can't proclaim the other heritage?
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bigchassie
Comment: TAURUS>chile i was just trying to help the two lovebirds out that's all! lol! *pulling out big blue sofa for them* now yall have something to court on, and yall better keep the light on too. no hanky-panky....yet! lol!
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huey
Comment: .....Obama was at home in Chicago during the day as his aides spread word that he would soon begin campaigning in states likely to be pivotal in the fall campaign. Aides relayed word of the four endorsements, expected to be made public later in the day. Both disclosures were meant to signal fresh confidence that the nomination was quickly coming into his possession after a grueling marathon across 15 months and nearly all 50 states.
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Taurusingr
Comment: bigchassie:..The "hospitality" is greatly appreciated!! LOL!!! You crazy! sml!!
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asize12
Comment: ame, most of the bi-racial people that I've met too identify with being black cuz that's what America will identify them as. Unfortunately Amerikkka has made it to where we are what we look like and many of them treat us according to that. Sad, but true. They don't care how much black you have in you...if you look black, then you are black. Halle Berry's mother did what all bi-racial parents should do. And I'm paraphrasing here...When she was little, her mother told her to look in the mirror...she asked her what did she see...Halle responded "A black girl" Her mother said "That's what America will see when they look at you".
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huey
Comment: did i neglect to mention that those endorsements are superhero's.....Meanwhile, Barack Obama pocketed the support of at least four Democratic convention superdelegates...
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bigchassie
Comment: HUEY>uh arn't you supposed to be sitting over there on the sofa courting JAVONE? she's waiting over there for you man! lol! go on over there! *nudges him in javon's direction of the sofa*
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bigchassie
Comment: TAURUS>I had to get sumpthin started to break up the crazy voodoo being conjured up in hurre!
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bigchassie
Comment: HUEY>Who are the four superdelegates?
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bigchassie
Comment: ASIZE>i want to scroll back up and read the chicken story. that was hillarious! i love it! where did you conjure up that piece from?
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huey
Comment: bigchassie ---they have not announced them yet, they said this evening they would....i cant wait to get home from the gym so i can watch the aftermath!!
i think javonne77 may have left for the day....i will have to court her tomorrow if i can make it to the forum...maybe i will bring her some grape now and laters for us to share whilst we chat on the couch...
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FiveMore
Comment: lol @Melody Cool!We are gonna force him to think about us 'cause I don't think Barack is that stupid! Black folk are the main reason he is where he is today(he better not sleep on the community at large)!No matter what HE MAY BELIEVE or THINK, he is considered black at least that's what Hillary and McCain will say to those undecided "blue collar/working class voters= KKK Sympathizers."Code Words big time,lol!
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rayne
Comment: LMAO@ASIZE
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asize12
Comment: >momma chass, check your email...
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bigchassie
Comment: HUEY>well okay then, but save me some. i loovvveee now and laters. i want to hear about that too so i guess they will say it on CNN news then. YALL DON'T FORGET TO CATCH MARVIN GAYE ON PBS TONIGHT TOO.
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bigchassie
Comment: ASIZE>I was gonna send you mail too. okey dokey.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Crenee..I've heard you make similar statements before. Is it logical for someone to dislike someone (even though they already don't)...because of someone else? That's just strange. It's like me disliking Alicia keys (even though i'm not a fan) even more because of her diehard fans. Or better yet, not liking Hellary bcz of Bill. That's just.... Ghank/Crenee, racial pride is real. Racial pride was everyone cheering for Tony Dungy to win. Racial pride is cheering for Serena/Venus to win. Racial pride is also wanting Obama to win. It will be hard for most people to understand how that same racial pride does not translate across the board. It has little to do w/not being monolithic as there is no group on this earth who is...unless it's some sort of cult..lol At this point, a black man has won by every measurable standard (campaign management, delegates, popular vote, record fundraising, demeanor, message of inclusion, message of self-reliance, message of not blaming yt folk, message of hope for a better 2moro). It should be expected that any black who doesn't support that would be looked at sideways when that is exactly the type of message we preach to each other. It is especially disheartening when the only reasons they seem to give is based on what her husband did or...I just don't like him. It will be one of things that we will never understand...like y won't Al Sharpton cut his hure.
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bigchassie
Comment: ASIZE>I don't see your email sweetie.
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Taurusingr
Comment: bigchassie:..I ain't MAD at you baby!!!! sml/LOL!!!
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asize12
Comment: >momma chass, I sent it an hour ago to your yahoo acct. Check again...
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amethyst
Comment: chassie - How u gonna dip into Huey's courting stash? He needs all them Now 'N Laters to impress javone. It won't look right to present her with an opened package with a few missing, or to save a couple for another woman. Well, maybe he could tell her it's the fee for renting the big blue sofa.
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javone77
Comment: ROFL @ grape now and laters LOL I am a modest person and honest to a doggone fault but don't hit the bad side or you might have to get CUT!!!! LOL
Huey and Taurus are cool peeps LOL
Thanks for the help bigchassie lol
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Exmun
Comment: I think the reasons MelodyCool and CRENEEJ don't like Obama are significantly different. One is personal (CRENEEJ just doesn't like him personally) the other is pathalogical (MelodyCool doesn't like him because he is biracial... something he had no hand in). I think its ok to not like a candidate for personal reasons having nothing to do with their platform (I would recommend a different approach when choosing the office of the President of the United States, but it's a person's prerogative). The problem that I still have is them justifying Hillary Clinton. She's done little more than Obama in the experience category. Truthfully NONE of the three candidates have ANY executive governing experience. NONE were governors, mayors, or executives at companies. Hillary was 'around' the White House when things were getting done, but her HUSBAND was doing the work not her. Does this being 'around' have some value? Yes. Does it trump all? Hell no! She's had 6.5 years of legislative experience total. McCain has more than 20 years of legislative experience in Congress. Does THIS trump all? Depends on your perspective. I'd say no. Obama has 11.5 years of legislative experience.. 8 in the house and the other 3.5 in the U.S. Senate. Does THIS trump all? Absolutely not. At the end of the day we have candidates with various levels of exposure to government. They all have some experience but not all. What do we base our decision on? All that we have is what they've done, what they say that they're going to do, their personal character including their personal beliefs.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: very well stated, Exmum . . . . . in 2004, what did Dubya say he was going to do that caused people to vote to keep him as a president?
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bigchassie
Comment: AMETHYST>oh alright! i guess you right *under breath* and i wanted some now and laters too. favorite candy. shoot! ASIZE.Ok sweetie, i'll check again. TAURUS>LOL you know i have to keep it spicy and sassy! lol! *wink*
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: ASIZE>*gives her "THE LOOK" * SISTA.....NO YOU DIDN'T!! LOL! OOOH!!!
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bigchassie
Comment: JAVON/HUEY>okay, now if yall want to court tomorrow, yall meet each other on the FREE 4 ALL okay? and yall can do all the cuddling all you want. just give me one Now and Later. pleeessee!
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amethyst
Comment: Here is an article in the Atlanta newspaper about the white woman who was Michelle Obama's roommate for a semester. It talks about how racism is passed down from generation to generation. http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/news/stories/2008/04/ 12/roommate_0413.html
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musbdherbs
Comment: Ex...that partly explains why there is a lack of substantive reasons her supporters give for choosing her as the "experienced" one in the room. Also, did you happen to catch Brazille vs. Begala OR Lanny Davis vs. everyone last night. It was crazy. I thought Lanny was gonna have an anuerysm at some point. I refuse to believe that hellary would've approved of that performance. It was over the top and completely unhinged.
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Exmun
Comment: 'Herbs, I've got new found respeck (purposely with a "k") for Donna Brazille. She laced 'em up last night and gave it to Lanny Davis and Begala AND that Republican Strategist (forget his name, Hispanic or Italian name I believe). Lanny Davis looked like someone punch out his momma last night. I was pleased that Donna B. put 'em in check.
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MelodyCool
Comment: asize12, yes they're all mixed but some blacks do challenge them. Some are concerned once blacks know how they feel black men might be hesitant to create more biracials knowing they want no parts of blacks. They believe whites will accept them if only they are no longer referred to as black. I say let 'em go with the quickness! I have a feeling their black parent and relatives kissed their azzes making them feel elite and now it's backfiring.
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amethyst
Comment: HarrisThomas - Georgie said he was gonna make sure them gay folks don't get married, and that he would get that dude "Who tried to kill my daddy?"
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bigchassie
Comment: MUSBHERBS>yeah, i caught that. Donna ate him alive!lol!
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MelodyCool
Comment: amethyst, I have no intentions of denigrating or harming anyone, but I will not uplift non-blacks knowing how they typically feel towards black folks either. Try joining their club and see if your heritage isn't called into question: www.thetopazclub.com
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MelodyCool
Comment: FiveMore, don't be so sure about that. He can do what he wants with a gullible constituency. Did you read that article by Betty Pleasant and the treatment black newspaper owners received? Now you know what black folks are in store for.
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MelodyCool
Comment: asize12, they feel like blacks bully them into identifying with them and they are sick of it.
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Name:
asize12
Comment: >melody, if those people truly believe that, then I feel sorry for them. And if you believe that bs I feel even more sorry for you. These people hate themselves are are struggling with self-acceptance. They need to be angry at the yt people that call them 'NIGG*ER' cuz that's what they see when they look at them. I don't know too much about you, but I'm curious to know what your race is.
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MelodyCool
Comment: asize12, reading your comments give credence to what biracials have been saying all along...black folks do not want to let them go. At one time I didn't believe them but you are a textbook case of the type that clings to biracials like a life raft. They're nothing special to me and it's sad how people continue to view them as royalty which they never get from whites. It's going to be a sad day for you leading up to 2010. Read this and weep.
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