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Name: nightshift
Comment: What????HELP pay off her debt? aw heyell no! Just 'cause it's the process, don't make it right. As long as he doesn't make her a running mate, i'm cool with him.
Name: 305FLgirl
Comment: I don't think he should pay off her debt. She was the crazy one that kept campaigning and spending money she didn't have. That's her fault not Obama's!
Name: fanteeking
Comment: As Roy Rogers and Dale Evans used to sing back in the day, "Happy Trails to you". Obama has to help her with her debt to ensure party unity. He must do all that is humanly possible to stay above the fray to win over her voters. There are a lot of angry, white, female voters who may support McCain or that sorry azz Ralph Nader to demonstrate their hatred for Obama and the press that they declare treated Hillary so badly.
Name: Grace12_34
Comment: This is what politics is all about, folks. People "getting into bed" with each other.
Name: Muzak
Comment: Pay off her debt? Are you kidding me? Let me get this straight? "BO" has to pay off her debt? To get Billary's endorsement.If this is the way the political game is played. I most certainly wouldn't play it. In the immortal words of "BO". It's time to change business as usual in Washington. In other words I wouldn't pay off nothing. As far as Ralph Nader is concerned. Ralph Nader as a candidate for President. Is a joke at best.Anybody who votes for McCain or Nader needs their head examined. (lol)
Name: McNasty
Comment: It's a bitter pill to swallow that he has to pay off her debt. It's also a sin and a shame that after all their actions and negative words it seems bill pimped and sillary 'ho'd their way through this election - all on Obama's back. I'm glad he cut the conversation before they got too used to talking about her in reference to the veep position. No matter - I hear the fat lady (who went to jenny craig and is now a curvaceous queen) running through her notes.
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: WTF?...This dosen't make any sense...Sh1t...She loses but still wins...She loses and he pays for it...Yo, I'm not a political savy person but WTF?...She'll probably make some money outta this deal...Yeah, I know Rak can raise this amount with a few calls...He11, he probably has that in his loose change cup...She may even ask for a spot on the ticket...Or maybe he agreed to pay her bill if she didn't ask for a spot...Sh1t, those dayum Clinton's...She might flip the script on ya boy and still ask for that spot...What's he gonna say?...No...He11, if I knew someone else was gonna foot the bill my Black azz would keep running too...Scooby-doo, run, run, run, Scooby-doo, run, run, run,
Name: DrKnowItAll
Comment: "Clinton wants Obama to assist black officials who endorsed her and who are now taking constituent heat, including, in some cases, primary challenges from pro-Obama politicians." umm I don't think Obama can help her there UNLESS HE BECOMES PRESIDENT... if he loses the election and black officials had anything to do with it, then they've committed political suicide. The mayor in Philadelphia especially comes to mind. He picked the wrong team IN THE WRONG STATE and he's cooked. I gotta chuckle at that one cause I didn't like his attitude.. I only have 1 wish and that is for B.O to NOT pick Hillary as his running mate. I would drink 2 gallons of Clorox and then call 911 and hope they could save me so that I could do it all over again. PLEASE, ANYBODY BUT HILLARY!!!!!!!!
Name: GHank
Comment: Remember......rules are rules.
Name: TGen
Comment: GHank, I'm not sure I follow your post. What rules? Anyway, I don't know what to think about the paying her debt thing. If that's what it takes to get RID of her, then so be it, lol. And maybe it will calm down her RABID, irrational supporters and warm them up to Obama...maybe. DrKnow, I think you're right about people like that Philly mayor. John Lewis also comes to mind. It'll be interesting interesting to see how their political futures unfold. On the race, Obama REALLY needs to close out with two wins today. HC has beat him a lot over the past couple months. He needs to be able to claim both the popular vote and the delegates just so she can have no more strings to hold onto. He needs to close out with winning momentum. *Crossing fingers*
Name: Teigh
Comment: Clinton wants Obama to assist black officials who endorsed her and who are now taking constituent heat, including, in some cases, primary challenges from pro-Obama politicians." ...I actually think this applies to Hillary and definitely a whole host of politicians in Harlem. Makes me wonder if Hillary kept running with the intention of Obama using some of his money to help her. I just hope when it's time for re election NY City voters (and NY State if appropriate show her just what they think of her). Bottom line: The democratic party is DEEPLY divided. If Barack Obama can not unite the party, how can he substantiate core of what his campaign is all about. I have all the faith that he can find an appropriate middle without selling out. He never sold out to the Black "old guard" who were trying to fleece him, he didn't out to Wright's antics, so I don't think he will do that here. How does the saying go "when people show you who they REALLY are...believe them the first time!"
Name: goodnplenty1957
Comment: I GOT TWO COMMENTS....FIRST ONE TO EURWEB!!!! YOU PUT THIS ON THE FRONT PAGE, i can understand that, BUT YOU TOOK OFF THE ARTICLE ABOUT THE PASSING OF BO DIDDLEY, AND LEFT THOSE OTHER ARTICLES??? COME ON EURWEB...GIVE HIM THE RESPECT DUE..even if the white folks never did back in the days!! ..NOW TO THE CLINTONS...they want Obama to assist the black folks who supported her?? what it sounds like is these black folk who supported HER even though the people who voted them in didnt, now want to come crawling over to the "dark side" and still can show face in their own areas of representation. Black folk dont forget when it comes to re-elections.
Name: McNasty
Comment: TGen it's one of those rules that continue to help convolute what should be a pretty straightforward process. In a situation like this the person that gets the nomination pays off the debt of the other (if they are in debt). Of course it rarely happens and I think never to this magnitude. Obama, like this article stated, is basically buying their support but it's not unheard of for the primary process to end this way - it's just rare AND unfair - but who said fair and equal has anything to do with the political process.
Name: KMJW
Comment: Barack may have an appetite for CHANGE but he has even a BIGGER appetite to be PRESIDENT...so bump what all the naysayers on this board say about how he shouldn't help pay off her debts...dang what any of you says, he's going to play the GAME and help pay that debt off...he needs HRC to go and go fast and while she does leave to also calm down her super AVID supporters too that do not think rationally...My first choice was HRC but hey boo lost so now I'm supporting Barack and that's fine. However, I still need a little healing time and I'm not BSing - I'm being straight up. I consider myself to be a rational and logical person and I still need some "cooling off" time - I can only imagine how much "cooling off" time the HRC fanatics will need.....Moving on to Barack assisting black leaders that supported him to quell down some of the backlash in the black community for supporting her. Please he will not have to do much because typically our community has a short memory. Prime example - Last week, my cousin had three of her kids to graduate from high school that night. Sheila Jackson Lee spoke at the graduation. In the beginning of her speech, she was greeted with boos but by the end of her speech they were yelling at the TOP of the lungs...standing all up and ish...it was WILD!!!
Name: DOne
Comment: Unlike most Obama supporters, I haven't had a problem with Hillary staying in the race. In fact, all the pressure for her to drop out before now only highlights a flaw in the system in my opinion. The primary season need to be structured differently so that no candidate is able to get the nomination early on; it also needs to be shorter. Look at the Republican side, by McCain winning the nod so early, basically that means that people giving in those states who hadn't held their primaries had no voice. I say let it go all the way to the convention; I just wish it was that way on both sides, otherwise what's really the point of even having a convention in the first place.
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: It's all God's money, anyway. It all belongs to HIM. We are just custodians who are called up to do the right thing. Remember the two loaves and the five fish! Whatevah, as long as she is not the VP candidate, then whatever works. She ran up this debt to buckle him anyway because she could have quit anytime. All this crap and the end result is the same. And now $20 million goes to Hillary as opposed to using that $20 million for the Democratic party to set up the more than 200,000 posts needed for the general election. I'm no fan of Hillary, am so disappointed on how she ran her campaign and how she ended the race, but SHE'S GONE, and now we can move on to the business of capturing the White House and beginning to attempt to repair or at least move ourselves away from, the policies of the last 30 years. We need to go back to the things that MADE America great for everyone who wanted to take advantage of the opportunities rightfully theirs. And our leaders did not use fear, terror and hate to accomplish those goals. GOBAMA 08.
Name: KMJW
Comment: McNasty & et. al - Lets keep it real, OBAMA being the CHANGE candidate that he is does NOT have to help pay HRC's debt off if he really wants to change how Washington is run. He is choosing to do so because he needs HRC. At this point, HRC can make his presidency a living nightmare - 1) She can decided to wait until the Aug convention, 2) She can decide to run as an independent, or 3) She can drop out and just not actively support Barack. Barack cannot survive either of these three because it will be a close general election and just 2-3% of her supporters in key states staying at home or voting for McCain will end Obama's presidency hope. Now if she does this, I can absolutely NOT support her ever again - she's already threading on thin ice with me when whe for whatever reason brought up the subject of %*$assination. But hey HRC does play the GAME well...think about it, she stayed in the primary until the very end hoping to stop Barack by any means necessary and in the end, Barack has to help pay for it. Like I said, HRC is a nice piece of work.
Name: RealGAPeach
Comment: I just don't understand this?
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: Hey, McNasty. Agreed. That's why it's politics, but it seems our whole lives have been policitized instead of the process. I balk at those who say Hillary was treated so badly. Homegirl flung enough mud, but when someone fights back or say they ain't havin that sh**, it's now a fight and somebody is getting beat up. Well Boo Hoo Hoo, nothwithstanding all the acrimony, Mr. Obama won the nomination the old-fashioned way. He earned it and I'm proud of the way he ran his campaign and have great faith and hope in his candidacy and his run as President of the United States. I believe leadership inspires and that leadership trickles down. That people emulate the actions and objectives of their leaders. Karl Rove, Reagan, the two Bushes inspired a certain politics; and thus, Mr Obama, I hope will inspire others to do and be better, at least try, because the status quo gots ta go!
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Obama will not use any of his fundraising totals to as.sist Hellary in paying off her debt. What he can do is agree to fundraise w/her or on her behalf. He will have a much harder time to getting his supporters (LIKE ME) to donate but he can get others who are not as anti-clinton. The whole idea of helping pay off debt is not really a rule. Rather, it's something that has been known to happen. Not a rule though. Re:L the anti-obama black officials, good luck. The idea that they must now come back b4 their own people w/tails 'tween their legs and a hand out will not be forgotten. Yes we do have short memories w/our own. But, we have much longer memories for those who are seen as slavishly choosing a yt candidate over a viable black one. So, we'll see how much they'll be able to come back home. Rest as.sured, these people WILL soon face opponents that they otherwise wouldn't have to. Elijah Cummings (MD) learned that lesson when he lost his 15-term seat. A tide is turning on these black leaders...and that's a good thing. KMJW, I think you give Clinton waaaay too much credit. Her deciding to stay in would damage her...not necessarily Obama. The unknown factor in this election is whether Obama is able to build enough of a coalition in non-traditional blue states to win the nod even w/losing some of her supporters. W/that in mind, him NEEDING her remains to be seen.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: BTW, no one can dispute that Kevin Garnett knows how to ball well. But knowing how to play well and winning the finals are two different things. She and her husband are political masterminds who lost what should have been an easy election. Longstanding political prowess lost this election. The democratic party now belongs to Obama.
Name: Grace12_34
Comment: If it's any consolation, it's not like the money is going to come out of Barack's personal pocket. WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL?! This is about the unification of the Democratic party. If Barack is being crowned, then get this over with, and LET'S MOVE ON. Make a big issue out of this and say hello to President John McCain in January.
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: For all the CHANGE that's got to take place, sometimes ya gotta KISS A*** before you KICK IT. He ain't gonna change nothing unless and until he becomes an insider. When he BECOMES President, he can attempt to CHANGE the rules, but he must play with the rules such as they are, first. This is why I lost respect for her. I felt that she thought that if and when Obama get the nomination, he would be so bloody and wounded, that McCain would win and she would point her face in America's face and say SEE I TOLD YOU I WAS THE ONLY ONE TO BEAT MCCAIN. Yet she did everything she could to knock Obama to his knees, including that %*$assination talk. Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's rain, Hillary. I believe we ALL underestimated Mr. Obama's candidacy, but in the end . . . let the chuch say "W A I L ." GOBAMA 08
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Uhmmm..that would be Al Wynn...not Cummings
Name: KMJW
Comment: Musbdherbs - Like I said, at the graduation, Sheila Jackson Lee was greeted with boos by the end of her speech that were up on their feet, clapping, and give her mad positive response. I doubt it will take a long time for our community to "get over" black leaders supporting her - will some fall by the wayside - yes - a lot? - probably not....Now, are you joking or serious - Barack doesn't need HRC? PLEASE!!! I can tell you have only been going to Barack Obama's campaign community meetings. Well let me tell you what I see in the HRC campaign community meetings - she has a core base of STUPID supporters that will not vote for Barack unless Hillary comes out and support Barack. These people are MAD, not upset, but MAD. They need HRC at a minimum to come out and say I support Barack for president...if not, what is the purpose of him helping to pay her debts off - what is the purpose? Is Barack doing it just because he likes HRC - get out of here with that line b/c that is pure garbage. He's doing it because he needs her and that's it. Otherwise please provide another rational other than it's been done before.
Name: KMJW
Comment: RealuvBaby > Thanks for keeping it REAL. Barack is kissing HRC %*$ b/c at this point in time, he has too. Eventually he will not have to do that but at this point in time, he has too. To suggest anything else is ridiculous. Please, you couldn't even get Michelle to say she would support HRC if she won the nomination but now all of a sudden Barack is willing to help her fundraise to pay off her debts - please, he needs her for now and that's the bottom line.
Name: TGen
Comment: KMJW: "These people are MAD, not upset, but MAD." Why are they turning their venom on Obama though? Can you share what their explanation for being so vitriolic towards him is? Thanks
Name: bigchassie
Comment: REALUV>i can dig that! THE STATUS QUO HAS GOTS TO GO!! OBAMA 08!!!
Name: KMJW
Comment: Musbdherbs > Yeah they lost...for all of their "genuis" like skills, Bill and Hillary lost. That can't be denied. But guess what, they'll be back...I guarantee you that. One of the best lessons in life is to fall and fall hard - it has a way of making you even more determined and that probably will be the case with Bill and HRC.
Name: Teigh
Comment: Duh? do you really think white american wants a Black candidate...too much unnecessry uncertainty about stuff we have long let go. I can't co-sign with barack kissing any butt. He hasn't so far and I seriously doubt he'll start now. He's a principled man -- let's not forget that's what got him this far...and let's also remember he got those principles from a white mother.
Name: KMJW
Comment: TGEN > First you have to split them into three categores - 1) Those that will never vote for a brother or sister (and this is not just white folks...you'll be surprised how many hispanics squirm at the end of a black president)...they try to mask it behind other issues about Barack but it's obvious their real issue is because Barack is black - I totally throw these folks the duece and don't waste my energy on them...2) Second group of them are OLDER women that have been waiting all their life to vote for a WOMAN president and they honestly feel she was treated bad by the media because she was a woman. They also believe that Barack "allowed" the media to treat HRC in such a way...they typically view these in a male vs female point view...for instance, many of us watch one of the many interviews btw Keith Olbermann and Barack - I saw the interview one way but when we got to the meeting, these women were %*$!ED at Barack and Keith and vowed to never watch his show again... 3) And finally you have those that are EXTREME LOYALISTS to the CLINTON and anything leading to non-support of HRC is just awful...It is the folks in category two and three that Barack has a bigger chance to influence if HRC comes out and avidly supports him. This primary is the most divisive since the Bush - Gore campaign and that was btw republican - democrat. I'm somewhat young and I have never seen so much disagreement within the democrat party. HRC needs to drop out soon so folks in categories 2 and 3 can heal by the time the general election comes around. The other day, one of them asked me if I wanted to purchase a HRC supporter for John McCain shirt and I just looked at them like WTF?
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: KMJW, I'm not sure if a high school graduation is the appropriate barometer for how blacks will respond to those of the Sheila Jackson ilk. Obviously they are concerned. If they were not, I doubt they would've petitioned (as they did) for Hellary to lobby Obama on their behalf. You rightly noted that a 2-3% (although small) loss of support amongst the Hellarites in a close election is a potential disaster for Obama. That same percentage applies to black officials who may "need" that 2-3% to keep their seats. So I'm not able to say that black people will get over it but yt people will not. Maybe both won't. Unless you can foresee the future it remains to be seen how much he will NEED her in the fall. Conventional wisdom suggests that he will. Conventional wisdom also suggests that these MAD white women will come back home. It's hard to predict the future and then say we can't predict the future in the same breath. Yes I have been going to his meetings. I don't know of a Clinton supporter who has attended ours and vice versa. You don't have to tell me about how her supporters have an emotional detachment from reality. I witnessed at the RBC meeting on Saturday and was standing less than a foot away from her supporter who (while being intereviewed) called obama an "inadequate black male." So yeah, I know the detachment exists.
Name: tinkius
Comment: What a a shame this country has been exibiting over the last few weeks. First the Supreme Court; A handfull of judges overrule the entire state of California and overturmns a gay marriage ban, one that was "voted" on by the "people". Second; Michigan and Florida decides to seat these delegates, even if they have a half vote, both candidates agreed the votes wouldn't count until Hillary started losing and complaining; we just showed everyone that if you complain enough you can even "break the rules". And now this; If someone wants to leave the campaing trail the other candidates have to buy them off? Man, one would think they're married and people wonder why these other countries fight western influences. One things for sure you won't see me at the polls anymore. I refuse to spend hours waiting to punch a piece of paper only to find out that a handfull of people can decide my voice doesn't count anyway. Why vote??
Name: professo285
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Name: LazySusan
Comment: Politics or not, I just don't think it ever pays off in the end to 'buy votes' from people that clearly hate you. Those HRC supporters hate Sen Obama for solely existing. Period. I mean I personally think they if they can't get past the fact that he's only 50% White and not 100% like their girl, Hillary, then the Republican Party is who they should vote with in November. That kind of hate belongs with them. And we're talking 'OJ Simpson killed a White woman' hate. And I can see Sen Obama paying off Billary's debt(don't those two have their own money???) and not getting a thing out of it. I mean if this was the reverse, and Sen. Obama was broke and Billary helped him pay it off in exchange for getting his supporters...I just can't see how that would make me support HRC. I don't think it will be enough.
Name: professo285
Comment: I say let's go all the way. Make Clinton the Vice. I promise you Obama and Clinton would whip McCain's %*$. As far as the money goes, heck Obama has raised millions of dollars so paying this debt would not be a problem. It is key to remember that "Money talks and bull %*$! walks."
Name: ChiDiva9
Comment: Okay folks - Barack Obama is not the first candidate to have to do this. It is customary. However I do believe that Hillbilly stayed in the race to make it cost him more. I remember two months ago when the buyout would have been only between 4 and 10 million. She clearly wanted to make a brother pay for every vote she can turn over. So he is not kissing butt he is playing the game as it has been played. Believe you me he is no sucker MC - he grew up politically in Chicago and folks here play rough and reconcile and work it when the time comes.
Name: Grace
Comment: to: Muzak] Did you see how McCain back down like a %*$!( when Ellen Degeneres asked him about same sex marriage?
Name: sonnyd
Comment: KMJW - great insight. I have a question to...sorry to put you in the acting representative role :), but I've been curious about this. Your point 2 about people thinking BHO "allowed" the media to treat her that way - - I think a lot of BHO supporters, or at least ones I'm closest to, also felt that HRC "allowed" the media to treat him the way they did. As if he's a closeted Black Panther or something. David Gergen even talked about this last week on CNN...how HRC could and should have come out and said "I know the man, so I know he doesn't agree with these hateful things his former pastor said." But that hasn't come. So genuine question - has this subject ever come up from that angle?
Name: TGen
Comment: KMJW, I appreciate the explanation, but honestly #2 does not fly. I was looking for specifics. What SPECIFICALLY did BO and Olb say that outraged them? I'm really curious. My hunch is what LazySusan said. They just hate him for existing, and I can't say it wouldn't be the same if he was White. I don't know if they're racist (some are of course) or if they're just RABID feminists or what. Tinkius, I hope you reconsider not voting. Don't give up yet...
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: Bill- How we gon pay for all this? Hill- Don't worry, Rak got it Bill- He's gonna pay off all debts? Hill- Don't worry, Rak got it. Bill-Well, Since we don't owe nobody how bout a lil nasty-nasty... Hill-Rak already got it...
Name: adifferentpath
Comment: wait....he has to help her pay her debt off??!! huh?? y? someone please explain. I haven't read the comments yet but I'll check and see.... sucks for obama "clinton family money" ole' sucka!
Name: bigchassie
Comment: CHICAGO - History within his reach, Barack Obama was primed to claim the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday or soon after as voters in Montana and South Dakota bring his months-long contest with dogged rival Hillary Rodham Clinton to a close. Clinton appeared ready to bow to the inevitable and spare the party an even more protracted fight. ADVERTISEMENT Clinton campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe said Tuesday that once Obama gets the majority of convention delegates, "I think Hillary Clinton will congratulate him and call him the nominee." The outcome could come by the end of the day with some choreography by the party's superdelegates. The party insiders were lining up behind Obama at a rate that could seal the nomination once results are in from Montana and South Dakota — or even before. Two more superdelegates endorsed him Tuesday morning, from Michigan and Missouri, leaving him just 40 delegates short of the 2,118 needed to put him over the top and make him the nation's first black presidential nominee from a major party.
Name: bigchassie
Comment: Clinton, once seen as a sure bet in her historic quest to become the first female president, was still pressing the superdelegates to support her fading candidacy. But McAuliffe indicated she was not inclined to drag out a dispute over delegates from the unsanctioned Michigan primary despite feeling shortchanged by a weekend compromise by the party's rules committee that she could still appeal to a higher level. "I don't think she's going to go to the credentials committee," he said on NBC's "Today" show. Taking the matter to that committee would essentially extend the dispute into the convention and deny Democrats the unity they sorely want to achieve against Republican John McCain. Seeing the cards fall into place for his November rival, McCain planned a prime time speech Tuesday night in the New Orleans suburb of Kenner, La., in what is essentially a kickoff of the fall campaign. Obama told The Associated Press on Monday that "we've got a lot of work to do in terms of bringing the party together" with the convention approaching. "Once the last votes are cast, then it's in everybody's interest to resolve this quickly so we can pivot," he said. Obama said there were a lot of superdelegates who have been private supporters of his but wanted to respect the process by not endorsing until the final primaries were done. "We're still working the phones and we're still talking to people ... so we'll certainly have to wait until a little later tonight to see what the final tally is, but we certainly feel good waking up this morning," Robert Gibbs, Obama's spokesman, told CNN on Tuesday. In a defiant shot across the GOP bow, Obama, who returned to hometown Chicago late Monday, planned to hold his wrap-up rally in St. Paul, Minn., at the arena that will be the site of the Republican National Convention in September.
Name: bigchassie
Comment: Clinton returned to New York, the state she represents in the Senate, planning an end-of-primary evening rally in Manhattan after a grueling campaign finale as she pushed through South Dakota on Monday. "I'm just very grateful we kept this campaign going until South Dakota would have the last word," she said at a restaurant in Rapid City in one of her final campaign stops. Polls suggested Obama would win both South Dakota and Montana. She still sounded buoyant. Her biggest booster and most tireless campaigner, husband Bill Clinton, didn't. "This may be the last day I'm ever involved in a campaign of this kind," the former president said somberly as he stumped for her in South Dakota. Ahead of Tuesday's concluding primaries, Obama sought to set the stage for reconciliation, praising Clinton's endurance and determination and offering to meet with her — on her terms — "once the dust settles" from their race. "The sooner we can bring the party together, the sooner we can start focusing on McCain in November," Obama told reporters in Michigan. He said he spoke with Clinton on Sunday when he called to congratulate her on winning the Puerto Rico primary, most likely her last hurrah. That fueled speculation for a "dream ticket" in which Clinton would become Obama's running mate — but neither camp was suggesting that was much of a possibility. In the AP interview, Obama was asked when he would start looking for a running mate. "The day after I have gotten that last delegate needed to officially claim the nomination, I'll start thinking about vice presidential nominees," he said. "It's a very important decision, and it's one where I'm going to have to take some time." Clinton finished a whirlwind four days of campaigning that took her from New York to Puerto Rico to South Dakota and back. For a campaign pushing against long odds, it was a show of determination. The former first lady, suffering from a recurrent cough, had to cede the microphone to her daughter Chelsea twice Monday as she struggled to recover her voice. Chelsea promptly took the opportunity — to discuss health care. __
Name: KMJW
Comment: Sonnyd > Not in my circle - it has not come up...eventhough I use to always give my initial Barack supporters a hard time about their blind support for Barack, it's the same way on the HRC side - HRC can do no wrong in her supporters' eyes. Luckily I wasn't one of them...yes, I supported HRC but my girl lost and she lost hard but I have always been able to stay objective unlike some...Believe it or not, it was a difficult decision for me when I got to the voting booth - In my head, I went up there knowing that I would vote for HRC but when I got to the booth, I got nervous...seriously...how could i vote for HRC (first viable woman for president) over Barack (first viable black for president). In the end, I chose to vote for HRC because I honestly thought that she would do a better job. Like I said my girl lost and now I have enough common sense and humility to support/vote Barack. Some democrats don't function like that and it's a shame.
Name: Dean32
Comment: Dear Senator Obama, I donated my personal funds to the Obama Campaign. Please do not default on my dreams for my people with this media/billary idea.
Name: adifferentpath
Comment: >KMJW- loving your comments! thanks 2 y'all who have broke it down for me. whateva! OBAMA!!!! I got my pin on. Holla.
Name: KMJW
Comment: TGEN > #2 is a real category - they hear things that I don't hear and I can't explain...I think it's because I'm only 34. Unlike those in group #1 who are the ones that Suzy speaks about and just hate Barack for existing, those in group #2 are different. They are really on the "they are only doing that because she's a woman" tip. That's the subject of almost all of their conversations. For instance, did you see the last interview btw Keith and HRC. In the meeting after that interview, they swore up/down and that Keith was confrontational with HRC unlike his giddiness with Barack in previous interviews. You have to see it to believe it - but those in group #2 are bent on Equality for Women...I don't like to use the term feminist as it sometimes have negative connotations but it's the only word that I know to use.
Name: javone77
Comment: I am kinda sad now that this mess is over. However, I kinda agree with ms. I think he should fundraise on her behalf. but I can also see him paying off her debt even after she should have gone on and sat her %*$ down weeks ago.....but I digress. I am with everyone who says do what you gotta do to get the party back together and beat that fool mccain. He is a disgrace to humans and anybody that supports him for whatever reason is crazy as hell and is nothing but a bed sore on the %*$ of humanity right along with Mccain. Let somebody tell em they are voting for him. we are not even gonna be able to talk AT ALL. stupid mofos.
Name: sonnyd
Comment: KMJW - Interesting stuff. Yeah, I guess there are some like that on both sides. I'm an HR person, so it's an occupational hazard that causes my objectivity :) I can see how that would be a hard choice to make for a black woman between BHO and HRC. I personally had been a supporter of his since the DNC convention in 2004 and started following him, reading his books, etc. I'd always been an HRC supporter, too, but he just made sense to me. And she has just really shown me something through this process...I'm really disappointed. But oh well, those are breaks. Thanks for the insight, though!
Name: kwrob
Comment: No, no, no. This is wrong on a couple levels. First, it looks like he is paying her a bribe for her to back out, when he doesn't need to do that. The delegates and soon to be superdelegates will be in his favor. He doesn't need to pay her to leave. She should do that on her own anyway. She made that bed with the debt, so she should lie in it. Billy has enough money to pay it off once she drops out. Secondly, he doesn't need hers or Billy's support that badly. It might even be a detriment to his campaign to have them out stumping for him. They have shown their true colors during this process, and people are tired of them. Also, he already has to keep fighting an image problem because of what somebody else in his inner circle did, and the Republicans will come up with more garbage to throw at him. This payoff won't help.
Name: dcdouglass01
Comment: Hillary's menopausal rant continues.
Name: McNasty
Comment: KMJW you be real Obama does indeed have to pay off her debt - check your history. In the future read the posts because they are peoples thoughts and they are allowed to express them. Yours are the ones that are out of order.
Name: asize12
Comment: *sigh* Can somebody please tell me why Bill is allowed to say whatever the ef he wants but if Michelle utters one word, then that means Obama is not electable???? I'm so sicka HillBill! ENOUGH already! They are SO over tonight! And no, Hill WILL NOT be his VP so those looking to see a 'Dream Ticket' can get that notion outta ya heads. And if they play the tape of that preacher one mo' gin'...*huge sigh* OBAMA 08, it's official after tonight!!! WOOO-WOOOO!!!!
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: TGen...they really do suffer from a severe case of detachment realiticus..lol. These people don't analyze the news they just base their opinions on those who are in support of their candidate and against Obama. Case in point, the protestors were there to protest the votes NOT being counted. When they were counted, they started saying that she was being forced out of the race and how unfair the process was. They don't know WHY they are mad...they are just MAD. I talked to one women (old and white) who was initially screaming about inequality while watching the coverage downstairs. She went from that too literally crying and I mean crying. I asked her when was Obama sexist and she brought up the incident where obama "brushed the dirt of his shoulder" in response to the ABC/Hellary debate. She was CONVINCED that the move was sexist. Yet, she admitted that no one...and I mean no one has been racist in this campaign BUT the Obama campaign. There were hoards of them vowed NEVER to vote for Obama because he was trying to push Hellary out and was a blatant sexist.
Name: KMJW
Comment: McNasty - There is NO LAW or DNC RULE that says that OBAMA has to help HRC pay off her debts...he's doing it b/c he feels he needs to to. Show me the law or DNC rule that says he has to....I beg you to do so.
Name: kwrob
Comment: Bill is able to pretty much say what he wants because he's A. White, B. a White man, and C. A White man who is a former president of the U.S. End of story.
Name: Exmun
Comment: The article was a bit irresponsible in its use of the term "pay off her debts." Federal election law prevents other candidates from paying off the debts of other candidates. What Barack CAN do is assist her with fundraising to cover the debts incurred in her campaign. While I have some hard feelings about this since she should have been out of the race (and hence having a lower tab) a month or more ago, I could understand if he were game. But, I believe that bringing her on to his ticket as VP would be a mistake.
Name: Southernbelle
Comment: Hell, to get rid of her I'd payoff the debt. Too bad I'm runnin a little short. Where do I sign up for the $10.00 a month layaway plan LOL. But seriously though, it's all Dem Party funds and since he has very few options in ways to spend it I consider using it to get rid of Billary a worthy cause.
Name: KMJW
Comment: Musbdherbs > So you have seen the silliness too I see. Those in category #2 are convinced that HRC was treated poorly b/c she was lady and that are M-A-D. I saw a lady cry at our county convention too - her crying blew my mind - I couldn't understand why she was crying and her response was that she can't believe we are bypassing the best candidate for the job b/c the candidate just happened to be a woman. It's pure passion is all that I can say.
Name: asize12
Comment: Okay, so what if Obama DOES choose Hillary as VP...can you imagine her tryna run everything! Can you imagine Bill chasing interns all through the oval office, again? Their presence alone will over power Obama, it ain't gon' happen...
Name: Penelope
Comment: Nope, nope, nope. It is a good thing EUR does not allow profanity, b/c there would be some strong words here. However, Hillary loan her own campaign money. That was her dream. Obama raised money from the people...Hillary paid for her own, which says a lot....i.e., people would not contribute to her campaign. If Obama agees to take on her debts, then I thing the GOP will really run with that. In other words, their are going to say Obama is trying to purchase the positon of president. This is a bad ideal.
Name: McNasty
Comment: If you read my post for understanding instead of argument you'd understand what I'm saying. The political process has been made convoluted by the caveats added to ensure the popular candidate wins. In other words they have it so that if they miss you with the pot they are sure to get you with the pan. It's the way it works now and always. You go and find out for yourself whether or not it's so - you're new here I grew here!
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: hey bigchassie! I'm doing a drive by cuz my boss is on vacation but it's good to be on the boards again. I'm so tired of it. I've got a 9 year old, and when I think of how much college tuition might cost in less than 10 years, and when she graduates, what type of job will she and her contemporaries have. We've got to turn this double dutch bus around. Give me a HO!!!!if you got yo funky bus fare! REVERSE THE CURSE of REAGANOMICS/BUSH SHENANGANS. GOBAMA 08
Name: kwrob
Comment: This is going to sound a little sexist, so I'm giving y'all a heads up. But We all see what happened when a woman led the way, and the man just stood by and let it happen without speaking up. We now are cursed with death instead of living in our earthly bodies forever. Women have to endure pain while giving childbirth. Men have to sweat while working. And we all have to have an allowance for clothes in our budgets.
Name: JGGIRL
Comment: Hillary's people just called the View and told them that the AP story is not true. She is NOT conceding tonight.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: KMJ, yes I saw it firsthand and was AMAZED. I read blog but I never thought I would witness the insanity. Most of those in the meeting were rude and constantly interrupted the proceedings. They booed, yelled and everything else. They complained about Obama TAKING votes. The person (Aussman or some'n like dat) who filed the initial Florida suit wanted the delegates seated as they were voted on. The Obama camp didn't protest but AGREED w/that. It was the Hellary reps who were cried foul EVEN THOUGH the committee voted in the same way the Dem party in Fl voted AND the person who filed the suit. You should have seen how heads turned when the lady called obama an inadequate black male. Many of us were like WTF? Believe you me, there is no shortage of Hellary supporters who feel as if she's being treated badly cuz she's a woman. The irrational part of it is that she is (according to her twisted logic) has had more people vote for her than ne1 in history. Yet, they say the race is fixed in Obama's favor. I do believe that these old white women have set the feminist agenda back a couple of decades.
Name: KMJW
Comment: McNasty - That's odd because I remember joining this post about four years ago and posted periodically throughout those years - initially posting as KMJACKS and then to KMJW after I got married. Typically I don't comment on celebrity stories b/c in all out honesty, the stories hardly ever move me to have enough energy or passion to post a comment b/c in the end it doesn't have an impact on my everyday life. Plus most posts on celebrity stories are full of hateration that provides no value to myself but that's just me personally. Also, if you decide to raise a point that is totally refuted by fact, don't tell anyone you're a newbie so I don't have to respond. That's childish. This post will cease my correspondence with you today regardless of whatever names you may or may not call me later on in this thread. Have a great and blessed day!!!
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: Hillary's Song of the Day: NEW YORK STATE OF MIND. -- Having used NY as your route to the presidency, you must return to do the work you were ELECTED to do for the residents of the STATE OF NEW YORK. I'm sure there's plenty for you to do there . . .
Name: asize12
Comment: >kwrob, and Adam was a SUCKA for following Eve so she's not totally to blame...re: FL & MI, that's what Hillary gets! She wanted the delegates seated even tho she agreed months ago that they wouldn't count...but when it didn't work out in her favor, her & her 'fans' are throwing hissy fits and there was even one guy that's ready to appeal, NEGRO PLEASE! You (Hillary) wined & pouted about those 2 states not being counted ever since you realized that you were LOSING and now that you got your wish, you're STILL p.o.'d and crying about how Obama should've given you 4 of the delegates from MI??? GTFOH!!!! That woman literally makes me ill...I feel the same way about her that I used to feel about Bush. Bush makes me laugh now...he's a certified nutcase! And I really think he'd make a great comedian after his presidency is over...*crackin' up at him 'bumpin' chests' with that marine* Priceless...
Name: huey
Comment: OBAMA!!!!!...........OBAMA......OBAMA!!!!!OBAMA!!!!!.. .........OBAMA......OBAMA!!!!!OBAMA!!!!!...........OBA MA......OBAMA!!!!!OBAMA!!!!!...........OBAMA......OBAM A!!!!!OBAMA!!!!!...........OBAMA......OBAMA!!!!!OBAMA! !!!!...........OBAMA......OBAMA!!!!!
Name: kwrob
Comment: Her people called "The View"? Yeah, it figures.
Name: javone77
Comment: why would they call the doggone view?
Name: javone77
Comment: I am so tired of thst split I could spit fire.
Name: McNasty
Comment: KMJW if you're 34 you're new here on this earth - I'm a little older than that and I remember at least once in my life time one candidate raising money to help pay off another's debt. It is what it is. BTW I believe I've been on this board for at least the last 6 years but that matters not because I wasn't referring to it.
Name: Exmun
Comment: @BOOT, LOL at your "Rak got it comment." LOL!
Name: Grace12_34
Comment: Professo285, you are absolutely correct. Together, the two of them would trounce the stuffing out of John McCain. Between now and November, they would run around the country stomping the life out of him. It is something I would very much like to see. When you have someone like John McCain waiting in the wings, you do WHATEVER has to be done to remove the threat. People need to forget about their stubborn pride.
Name: javone77
Comment: THAT is the truth grace. we need to do what we have to to make sure this white man stays at home with barbie in the desert where both of them can get their botox injections together
Name: Exmun
Comment: 'Herbs, I'm envious of you living in the DC area. Stuff like the RBC meeting gets my engine running. I wish I could have been there to witness it.
Name: bigchassie
Comment: WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton will concede Tuesday night that Barack Obama has the delegates to secure the Democratic nomination, campaign officials said, effectively ending her bid to be the nation's first female president. ADVERTISEMENT Obama is 40 delegates shy of clinching the nomination, but he is widely expected to make up the difference Tuesday with superdelegate support and votes in South Dakota and Montana. Once he reaches the magic number of 2,118, Clinton will acknowledge that he has secured the necessary delegates to be the nominee. The former first lady will stop short of formally suspending or ending her race in her speech in New York City. She will pledge to continue to speak out on issues like health care. But for all intents and purposes, the two senior officials said, the campaign is over. Most campaign staff will be let go and will be paid through June 15, said the officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to divulge her plans.
Name: bigchassie
Comment: The advisers said Clinton has made a strategic decision to not formally end her campaign, giving her leverage to negotiate with Obama on various matters including a possible vice presidential nomination for her. She also wants to press him on issues he should focus on in the fall, such as health care. Universal health care, Clinton's signature issue as first lady in the 1990s, was a point of dispute between Obama and the New York senator during their epic nomination fight. Clinton was at home in Chappaqua, N.Y., with her husband, former President Clinton, and was placing calls to friends and supporters. On NBC's "Today Show," Clinton campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe said that once Obama gets the majority of convention delegates, "I think Hillary Clinton will congratulate him and call him the nominee." In a formal statement, the campaign made clear the limits of how far she would go in Tuesday night's speech. "Senator Clinton will not concede the nomination," the statement said. Clinton field hands who worked in key battlegrounds said they were told to stand down, without pay, and await instructions. Speaking not for attribution because they didn't want to jeopardize their jobs searches, many said they were peddling resumes, returning to their hometowns or seeking out former employers. Clinton officials have said they would not contest the seating of Michigan delegates at the convention in Denver this August. The campaign was angry this past weekend when a Democratic National Committee panel awarded Obama delegates it thought Clinton deserved
Name: TGen
Comment: KMJW/Musbdherbs, okay. The kind of RABID women yall describe gives me a better picture of what we're dealing with. I was wondering for the longest (esp. after that Ronald Reagan thing waay back in the primary when Hill and Bill blatantlay lied about what BO said to that newspaper, that's when I first started seeing the light, lol) how people could keep supporting a liar, even after Bosnia sniper and RFK azzazzination. Now I realize we're dealing with sickos, nutcases, people who are not all there. NOW I see how Hillary was able to keep winning! I understand, but it does not make me feel better, it makes me kinda scared. There may be virtually no way for BO to pull in these type of uninformed, emotion-driven, irrational voters. He will have to make up the slack elsewhere. They may be a lost cause. *Sigh*
Name: TGen
Comment: BigChassie, whatever article that is outdated. The Clinton camp is denying that story, saying she will in no way concede anything tonight. (I know, it sucks but that would be too good to be true, that would require CLASS, which we all know HC has a shortage of.) The game continues...
Name: bigchassie
Comment: WASHINGTON (AFP) - Democratic White House candidate Barack Obama has pulled ahead of Republican John McCain in the latest Gallup voter opinion survey, published Tuesday in USA Today. ADVERTISEMENT Obama lead McCain 47 to 44 percent, in a reversal from Gallup's findings a month ago, which saw McCain ahead of Obama 47 to 45 percent. Both leads are within the poll's four point margin of error. A matchup pitting Hillary Clinton against McCain saw the former first lady with a sharper advantage of 49 percent versus 43 for the presumptive Republican nominee, Gallup found. Obama was favored to win Tuesday's final two primaries in Montana and South Dakota and also to clinch the Democratic nomination, possibly in the same day. The poll found that 58 percent of Americans have a positive image of Obama, 56 view McCain favorably and 54 have a good opinion of Clinton. But President George W. Bush's approval rating was just 28 percent. And the poll depicted Americans as pessimistic about their buying power, with 55 percent saying they are worse off now than they were a year ago and just 26 percent saying the reverse. Americans have not been so gloomy since 1976, Gallup said, adding that such sentiment generally leads voters to oust whatever political party is currently in the White House.
Name: bigchassie
Comment: TGEN>well Yahoo.com need their azz kicked for printing it then.
Name: bigchassie
Comment: JAVONNE>for real! why would they call The View?? stupid.
Name: Deb70
Comment: Hillary's life is just full of chaos and confusion. She thrives on drama. All this back and forth today is what the country and superdelegates need to see, to further understand that this woman does not need to be president of anything. She is absolutely unstable and overwhelmingly manipulative. One of the reasons they denied the statement is because voters won't come out for her today if they think the race is over. Harold Ickes told a House Member today that it was over, yet Terry McCauliffe goes on record saying it isn't. It's just never-ending and unnecessary drama with her. So freaking immature. They shouldn't have said anything at all. I can't stand her. She refuses to let Barack have his moment. Just refuses. He BETTER not pick her as his VP. Her and Bill are misery.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Exmun...it was the place to be for political junkies. Hell, I can talk about politics all day. BUT even I was "wo" out by days end. Some of us were there from 7 that am til 7 that evening. I gained a newfound appreciation for people involved w/those campaigns. It's maddening. TGen, there is really no other way to describe it. These people live in alternate universes from the rest of us. I believe "those" people are a lost cause. Interestingly enough, of all her supporters protesting outside the meeting, I would say that most of them were old, white women. The odds of Obama pulling those in will be slim. that's why I mentioned to KMJ that Obama may have to rely on winning swing states and those of her supporters who live in reality.
Name: CRENEEJ
Comment: i'm glad that she stayed in. most of us don't quit for the benefit of others, and we'd have been pizzed if he dropped if it looked like he wasn't winning.... i'm with KM, cuz i was supporting, but i see there's no point in going down w/ the ship... all that aside, i'm waiting to see how this all plays out. if it's standard to help pay the debts, then that's what he should do
Name: Deb70
Comment: CRENEEJ--it doesn't matter if it is "standard" to pay the debts. It's NOT what he "should" do. But then again, I have to remember who I'm talking to here. You defend this dumb azz woman until the end.
Name: Grace12_34
Comment: Winning the Democratic crown by a thin margin is one thing, but Barack will need a LANDSLIDE to win the White House ... ENTER the Obama/Clinton ticket ... I really hope America comes to her senses, no matter who Barack's running mate is. If McCain wins, the people complaining the LOUDEST next year at this time will be those who either voted for him or WRONGLY decided to stay home on Election Day.
Name: Stephanie
Comment: Calm down everyone. That is so NOT true. First, its illegal to use campaign donations to pay off another person's or your own personal debts, second, Obama's net worth minus the campaign contributions isn't even close to that. That's just a bunch a BS. He would get so nailed to the cross if did that because you would considered pretty much buying the election. I'm buying that one at all.
Name: CRENEEJ
Comment: oh, ok Deb. i see where this is headed already.... if it is the standard, then yes he should do it. you would expect her to if the roles were reversed. see the real problem w/ some of the BO and HRC supporters is that you can't promote your candidate w/o insulting the other person.
Name: JGGIRL
Comment: They called the View because they were discussing it in detail and wondering what her next step would be.
Name: CaliRedbone
Comment: Clinton denies she'll concede tonight From news services Published on: 06/03/08 CHICAGO — Hillary Rodham Clinton will acknowledge Tuesday night that Barack Obama has the delegates to secure the Democratic nomination, the Associated Press reported, citing campaign officials. Clinton's campaign issued a statement denying the report. Clinton said she was "absolutely" not prepared to admit Obama has beaten her in the race, according to Terry McAuliffe, her campaign chairman. Reports saying she was ready to concede are "100 percent incorrect," McAuliffe told CNN. Obama "doesn't have the numbers today, and until someone has the numbers the race goes on," McAuliffe told CNN. FOX News quoted Clinton officials as saying that Clinton will only acknowledge that Obama "has a slight lead in the delegate count."
Name: JGGIRL
Comment: There are so many people threatening to go over to the McCain camp that I'm afriad BO will have no choice but to put her on the ticker. The party is so divided.
Name: Deb70
Comment: CRENEEJ--it's not an insult. She is not right in the head. Too many examples of that. Doesn't matter how you want to see it.
Name: Deb70
Comment: And I also read on Huffington that it is indeed illegal for him to pay her debts off, as Stephanie said. He'd just hold fundraisers for her/or they'd hold joint fundraisers. But given how he has been treated by her, I don't feel like he should even do that. But this is politics. I just pray he knows better than to put her on the ticket.
Name: professo285
Comment: Somebody said, "if Obama DOES choose Hillary as VP...can you imagine her tryna run everything!" I hate to tell you but it does not work that way. Check the definition of VP. I could very well so be wrong but there is going to be an Obama/Clinton ticket.
Name: professo285
Comment: Clinton not ready to admit defeat, official tells CNN
Name: CRENEEJ
Comment: professo, that's the only way he can definitely win. the clinton name does have some weight behind it, whether people like to admit it or not. plus he needs her supporters, and they're more likely to support if she's on the ticket...i'm just sayin. and Deb, that's a matter of opinion. we don't agree w/ her methods but she was doing the dam thing for a while so she does have some screws up there...
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: KMJW> Is this your "wishful thinking" or Hillary's! Call the cook, she done. He doesn't need Hillary. MSNBC went to different citiest last weekend asking woman if Hillary doesn't get if they would vote for Obama and they said "YES, because there is no way they will vote for McCain". This was something that Hillary supporters put out in the media and her voters latched on to. The reason why Hillary's supporters did it is because the writing was on the wall, there was NO WAY should could win. So they started the "I won't vote for Barack I will vote for a Republican McCain instead, to scare Barack into chosing Hillary for VP. The hell with the CLINTON'S. Let's talk about Bo' Diddly the pioneer of ROCK & ROLLL.
Name: gingerg
Comment: Why should he have to buy her out? Let Bill help her pay that off.
Name: javone77
Comment: Okay I am not even gonna trivilaize the brotha by saying he needs her to win...but I am not gonna lie. It's gonna make the road quite a bit easier! I think...depending on how she camoiagns for him...he could still use her weight. Put that heffa on the supreme court and keep it moving.
Name: Stephanie
Comment: If he chose her for VP, he might as well hand McCain the election in a gift basket. I'm not even worried about that one. McCain is old and feeble. Half the time, he looks like he's drunk and can barely stand up. He always has that "peckerwood beet red face" and you know those are the ones that can drink Jim Beam and Jack Daniels like its a Big Gulp!
Name: asize12
Comment: *raising hand* professo, that was me that. I know that technically she CAN'T run everything...I was being facetious. I'm aware of the VP's job, thanks. And I still don't believe that he'll choose her as VP, and I too could be wrong cuz stranger things have happened in the past...
Name: librason
Comment: I'll believe it when it happens. Until then......let me clear my throat.
Name: asize12
Comment: *sigh* I was trying to say "That was me that said that." LOL
Name: TGen
Comment: For a split second, I had evolved on the BO/HC ticket and allowed myself to think maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea. Then I started to remember how much of a PAZZ HC has gotten from the press (regardless of what she claims) and from BO. Virtually no one has brought up all her baggage. For every one shady person BO may know, HC knows 20! lol Scandals plagued the Clinton presidency. The lady has A LOT of dirt that a real opponent (Repubs) would be more than happy to bring up. There's even stuff dating back to her pre-Bill days, when she was a young lawyer and got fired for trying to do some shady stuff during the Nixon impeachment. Oh yeah, you won't hear a lot about that, but trust, the lady has A LOT of skeletons. The press has conveniently forgotten a lot of them in their efforts to appease her after her crying "it's unfair," but there are A LOT of Repubs who have not forgotten. And nothing will energize them more than coming out and voting against who they think is the biggest b*tch (their word, not mine) this side of the earth. Just something to think about...
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: Man....I hope like HELL he's not being manipulated or he HIMSELF doesn't think he can trust this stubborn old "B"!!! Again...after all her shyt!!! It wasn't just about "campaigning" with her!! Sometimes one can go....TOO far with ceratin statements & actions!! Now we're supposed to think that this chick & all her hatin as-s bigot friends would mean Obama some....GOOD!??? Sheeeeeeeeit!!! Again I say....SHE would hire the hitmen...HERSELF!! Obama,... man, pulleeeeeeeeeeeze just be "acting" like you're considering her as-s & just put her on the list, but never call her as-s like.... the day after a one night stand!!! She's STILL the "evil,racist beeaaaaaatch" the world came to know this campaign season!!! Holla!
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: P.S....And just yesterday I said the reason why this "B" didn't "leave the race" was b/c she was IN DEBT!!!! I guess I was.....RIGHT!! She's a selfish mo fo who if given a task by PRESIDENT OBAMA!! (I like the sound of that shyt!!!, don't you!!??) she would purposely "F" it up to serve HER needs!! She AIN'T to be trusted maaaaaaaan!!!!!
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: this race is deeper than Hillary getting the nodl. It's about supremacy being over and Hillary is holding on to it for dear life. What if it were the other way around and Barack was holding on. Barack would gotten kicked to the curb with both of Hillary's stilletos. Trust and believe, when Obama gets the nod, it's the death of white supremacy ruling this land. They can't stop the time, but she is trying to delay it. It's time for others to be let in the Club and be allowed to have their voices heard. DING DONG WHITE SUPREMACY and ruling of every dang thing all the time is over.
Name: librason
Comment: Good post TGEN, I remember when crillary thought she was gonna be the one. The Repugs couldn't wait to get at her, they were gonna bring up all the dirt. Barack's little problems won't even come close to what they got for her. Be careful what you wish for.
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: I say that because for Hillary, it was all about the WHITE voters who wouldn't vote for Obama. I was like WTF?, only white folk in this land? Keep the brotha out, he's not like us, only I, white woman, can hold other white men at bay. This black man with ties to a controversial church, who might be %*$assinated and who is otherwise totally unelectable cannot beat that other white man. Only white folk matter in this race and he should not be allowed in. That's how I see Hillary at the end. And by the time I finish with him, there'll be nothing to elect. But as with most people, they lose their vision, and that's why she lost the race and will not concede. Like Jon Stewart says and I CTFU every time I think of it. OBAMA WILL BE AT HIS INAUGURATION AND HILLARY WILL STILL BE RUNNING <<LMAO>>. Go on and laugh, cuz it's funny!
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: TGen:...The only one to bring up "her shyt" as far as I can remember has been...Keith Olbermann!! He did it the way IT SHOULD'VE BEEN DONE A LONG F'N TIME AGO TOO!! I applaud him for "that shyt" I know he put his..."White card" in question by doing so!! You know!?? And I STILL say...the Republicans would have a F'n field day exposing the LIE of it all!! Those two....TOGETHER?? After all her... "too far" shyt!!?? If anyone watches the show...."24"??? She's the epidemy of the....VILLIAN VICE PRESIDENT who would go against Obama,dis-agreeing with his methods & trying to get his as-s IMPEACHED!!! Man.......just let that ole bird....."Fly the "F" away"!!!
Name: javone77
Comment: realuv I was watching the night Barack was on and jon stewart asked him if he was worried about that LOL That mess WAS funny! LOL
Name: Grace12_34
Comment: At the end of the day, and at the last count, the majority of the "folk in this land" ARE white, and by January it will be VERY clear.
Name: librason
Comment: Lmbao @ Realluv
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: realuvbaby:.....You damn right!!!! That's why they won't "act like they know"!!! This Florida/Michigan shyt,her damn attitude,her damn statements??? This bytch ACTUAL SAID... "Mc CAIN" would make a BETTER PRESIDENT!!! That statement alone!!!!, would've gotten anyone else....kicked the "F" out!!!! All this B.S. coming from this bytch & we're supposed to just "roll over,scratch our booties & go to sleep"!!??? Haaaaaaaaaaail NAH!!! Get this bytch outta here!!....FOREVER!!
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: Hillary is not to be trusted. She's too bitter to entrusted with the vice-presidency of the united states. I can see her totally going against the president, to embarrass and humiliate him/her, not caring that how you treat others speak more about you than the person or person you are mistreating. After all this, and not even conceding at this point, she'd never settle for VP. Her ACTIONS are very telling and she comes across as bitter, to me -- a victim and we need strength in our government, not folk with axes to grind. But, let Hillary do Hillary with all her issues of integrity, etc. She shouldn't be handed jack because her husband was president. She's where she is like most of us, because of the decisions and choices she has made. This time, it didn't work out for her. Oh, comma well, June 5 will be here in two days and Hillary will be forced out of her misery. Anybody who ever crossed a Scorpio knows, it'll take 50 years, but you will be paid back for going against her. <<loll>> Scorpios HATE TO LOSE . . . she's got that venom and she's not afraid to use it. I question her judgment, I really, really do.
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: Yea, Taurusingr, My boy put it out there the way I laak it: STRAIGHT UP, NO CHASER.
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: Stephanie:...Like everything else in this country...It's only "illegal" if the "referees" or police or YT...... says it is!! And you know, they have a tendency to "change the damn rules" for....YT!!!
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: realuvbaby:...Hey, that's the ONLY way to drink...."THIS" shyt!!!!....Without all the B.S. attached to it!!, You know!!??? Holla, maaaain!! lol!!
Name: CaliRedbone
Comment: AP tally: Obama effectively clinches nomination By DAVID ESPO and STEPHEN OHLEMACHER - The Associated Press Published 10:44 am PDT Tuesday, June 3, 2008 Barack Obama effectively clinched the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday, based on an Associated Press tally of convention delegates, becoming the first black candidate ever to lead his party into a fall campaign for the White House. Campaigning on an insistent call for change, Obama outlasted former first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton in a historic race that sparked record turnout in primary after primary, yet exposed deep racial divisions within the party. The AP tally was based on public commitments from delegates as well as more than a dozen private commitments. It also included a minimum number of delegates Obama was guaranteed even if he lost the final two primaries in South Dakota and Montana later in the day. The 46-year-old first-term senator will face Sen. John McCain of Arizona in the fall campaign to become the 44th president. Clinton was ready to concede that her rival had amassed the delegates needed to triumph, according to officials in her campaign. These officials said the New York senator did not intend to suspend or end her candidacy in a speech Tuesday night in New York. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they had not been authorized to divulge her plans.
Name: JGGIRL
Comment: SIX more super dels for OB. Now 35 away!!
Name: Exmun
Comment: TGen, like you I also evolved to where I could see an Obama/Clinton ticket. I wasn't altogether happy about it, but I resigned that on a number of levels it made sense. I've since gone back to my initial position that it does not make sense. There are personality issues between Barack and Hillary and Bill that I just cannot see working smoothly. Let's face it, Hillary and Bill have been bought by a number of their big money donors. There issues are very similar to John McCain's lobbyist issues. Hillary would use the VP spot as a de facto presidency ala Dick Cheney. Bill would use his wife's role as a defacto presidency. And I sincerely believe that any Clinton participation in Obama's presidency destroys his brand of change and grassroots support from and by the people. Plus, she and her husband have said some dirty things about Obama, down to Bill's comments about Barack yesterday while ranting about the less-than-favorable Vanity Fair article. It's really difficult for me to see Barack joining forces with Hillary when she and her posse can't seem to separate his name from the trash.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Grace, I disagree. Barack needs the majority of voters to win...not a landslide. The last two elections were won w/in a 2 point margin. Again, it's not "standard" for the winning candidate to help pay off debt, it's something that "has been done." Professo, Cheney changed the definition of VP which mos def increased the importance of that slot. That is one of the many reasons I do not support such a ticket. W/both Hellary and her uncontrollable husband in the yt house, Obama will be sandbagged. It's one thing to "want" the ticket so that he can win. It's another to not even consider his ability to govern if that happens. Moreover, it sounds great in theory. But, we (along w/the media's help) seem to 4get the Clinton legacy. We should not, for one minute, think that the Repubs do not have a ready-made arsenal against that ticket. the media (and other hellary supportets) will have you believe that he "needs" her on the ticket to win. I do not agree. If Obama has baggage, Hellary has the entire Samsonite luggage section at Macy's.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Exmun..once again..stop snooping. lol
Name: KMJW
Comment: Creenj: You nailed it on the head, most supporters on both sides "can't promote their candidate w/o insulting the other person"...I had this conversation with Musbdherbs a while back...In the end, like you said, the Clinton name carries weight and yes some of that weight has been reduced but nevertheless it still has enough weight to make 2%-3% or maybe more of her supporters stay home and not vote or vote for McCain. Going back to another comment - Because something has been done before doesn't make it a necessity to do again. Negative campaigning has worked a million times in the past but it didn't seem to work out this time for you-know-who. Point is, BO does NOT have to help HRC pay off her debts by holding joint rallies. He just doesn't and I don't care how old you are or what has been done in the past. It's Barack's choice to do so and that's that....Moving on to the next hot topic, HRC camp says she's not conceding but will say that Barack has enough delegates to win...so she's doing the same thing that Romney do and just suspend her campaign...that way if Barack messes up, she's there to fill in the gap.
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: If only Sillary was a .....WOMAN!!! Not a mere...FEMALE!!! There IS a difference!!! She's the "walking truth,manifestation!!, of everything people thought a FEMALE would be.......negative & NOT good!! Can yall even imagine trying to get "this bytch" to....co-operate??? That's EXACTLY what's NOT.....in her!!! Again...the problem with HER is NOT her gender!!! It's her (& no other woman's!) "F'd up FEMALE PERSONALITY!!!! (and just in case somebody STILL doesn't "get it"!!??.... It's NOT about the gender....It's the PERSON!!! It's NOT about the ethnicity!!! It's the PERSON!!! One!!
Name: Exmun
Comment: 'Herbs. I just do what I do. If you ain't gonna type it fast enought I'm definetly gonna snoop and get it out there. Lol.
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: musbdherbs:....Ahhhhh! I see we have a "fresh joint"!!! That was funny shyt!!! Yo... Keep passin it!! lol!!
Name: soulmusic101
Comment: Look at Obama taking the high road towards HRC. That's just the way he rolls. Now on too fight Insane McCain or AKA McBush.
Name: JGGIRL
Comment: I was all for a Obama/Clinton ticket until she made such a big deal over the "bitter" comments and started calling him an elitist. Now she wants to run with an elitist? I think not!
Name: KMJW
Comment: taurus > That's odd - I never knew that females were seen as "negative & NOT good"...I thought females were ofen viewed as weak and emotional...thanks for the different insight.
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: But on the real???...I think the Democratic party is being....held hostage!! Hear me out, the Sillary donors,supporters have NOT given that money up,b/c of the support for Obama! That money is OLD MONEY!! They want their dog in the fight & would NOT give their "donations" to the party if they don't..."get their way"!! If they don't??? The Dems. are gonna have a tough time keeping up with the machine of the Republicans!! So...putting "that" in the mix... it makes sense asking Obama to "do this F'd up shyt!! Making HIM do what they would NEVER ask her to do..."for the will of the people"!! Another "leverage move" on the part of the racist,old money holders!!....Sillary's favorite people!!
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: KMJW:....SAME THANG!!! lol!! It depends on how you look at it or the situation!! Holla!!
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: KMJW:...And again....I said FEMALES!!....NOT WOMEN!!! sml!!
Name: KMJW
Comment: Taurisingr > Much love!!!
Name: javone77
Comment: Taurus: smh lol
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: Taurusingr> I agree! Even Chris from MSNBC said "will Barack be able to trust her if he chose her". Now if a white man don't think that Barack can trust her, I'm sure in the hell will not vouche for her. LOL
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: Taurusingr, we're here > < today, homey. They won't let it go, but if and when he does get it, he'll be hobbling, bloody and barely standing on one leg. She can't tap into his popular base, but we git them in the pocket and that'll slow him down. I read also about Hillary on CNN, somebody said: Hillary's motto is if you can't stand the heat, strike a match and burn down the darn kitchen and everything standing in it's path. I mean, if it's not her who is winning, what does she care. It's not just Hillary, I believe it's her deeply-pocketed sponsors who have too much to lose by allowing to just walk away with dignity. Mr. Obama was underestimated, plain and simple. I had my Michelle Obama moment when Obama began to win. I never believed that the majority of Americans was even ready to entertain the idea of Obama being a candidate, far less a President, but when I saw the win in Iowa and begin to see the Clintons self-destruct, for the first time in my life . . . I am proud to see that America may very well be color blind if the powers that be who insist on being move out of the way. Many of us just want some good leadership, and we don't care if it's a man, woman, black or white, just a good leader who is God fearing, whom we can respect and who can inspire others to be their very best, instead of being at their best greed for power and is willing to put America first.
Name: Stephanie
Comment: Face it...if she had run her campaign like BO, she could have won hands down but when she starting playing dirty politics, she blew it...EVERYBODY knows dirty politics is what got GWB elected twice and its why we're on the brink of becoming a third world country. People are fed up and dirty politics isn't working anymore! People are simply ready for a change, any kind of change and the first step towards change is putting a black man in the White House!
Name: KMJW
Comment: Real > Here's something to ponder...how colorblind are we when majority of those in this thread consistently use the term "white" in a derogatory passing?
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: KMLW:..."Luv" back at cha baby!! sml!! Hello javonne77!! sml! (I guess you "changed your mind" about telling me something!?) lol!! ladybyrd:...You KNOW that's a.... "sign"!! lol!! realuvbaby:.....Yep! Yep!!! That's the biz!!! And see, they WANT US to think all Whites are like their racist as-s!! But OBVIOUSLY, in Iowa,UTAH!!??? GTF outta here!! It's clear...this election is about SO MUCH MORE than the Presidency!! I know this is some "corny" shyt to say, but it's so true!! This election is actual fight between.......GOOD & EVIL!!! Washington,YT & all the F'd up powers that be are on notice that their time of reign is....UP!! And they are ALREADY having...." withdrawals like a mutha"!!! just like a damn drug addict! But the drug they've been on is.......the power!!! Now we see how they've NEVER lived by the B.S. they've been selling (fairness/THE LAW etc..) & we clearly see how ignorant,shallow,evil & WEAK they REALLY ARE! Holla!!!
Name: asize12
Comment: LMAO!!! This is a post from politco.com---HILLARY CAN STILL WIN! If Hillary parachutes into hostile Afghanistan under sniper fire, wearing a red-white-and blue pant suit with a enormous flag pin on the lapel, disguises herself with a fake beard and plastic nose, infiltrates AlQuida and captures Osama Bin Ladden and has the whole thing on HD video with an American flag in the background with "God Bless the USA" playing...she does have a chance.
Name: Jacque
Comment: BREAKING NEWS: Clinton tells N.Y. lawmakers she's open to being Obama's VP candidate
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: KMJW:.....See, the difference is one's position! Balck people are usually on the receiving end of the crap Whites throw our way!! So, if it's "coming from Whites!, & it's NOT good!!??, how else do you think ANYONE in our position would see it!! It's HELLA within reason!! But I do make distinction between the Whites who "do that shyt" & the OTHERS who are just like ANY OTHER good people!! See...that's where the term..."YT" comes in!, as opposed to....".White People"! They can't knock someone down & then turn around & tell THAT person how to....get up!!! "YT" (not the good White People!!) brings all the negative they receive from US??.......ON THEMSELVES!!!
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: Sorry!...That should be..."Black" people.
Name: asize12
Comment: >kmjw, I must admit, it's very hard to be 100% colorblind when we've been persecuted, stereotyped, and pre-judged for the majority of our lives at one time or another. And although I don't consider myself 'racist' or 'bigot' because in my 36 years of life, I have had to deal with racism on numerous occasions and I'm sure that I speak for the majority in saying this. I don't hate anyone, but I dislike their demeaning actions toward us for the sole reason that our skin is dark. And what pis*ses me off about those bigots that aren't voting for Obama for no other reason other than he's black, he's actually 50% black! But again, they judge us by what they see, not by who we are as people...You got your hillbillies & rednecks runnin' around here STILL hollin' "Who does this uppity nig*ger think he is?" "I ain't votin' for no nigg*er!" Sad, but true and we all know this...SMH
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: Stephanie:...About your last post???.....AMEN lady! AAAAAAAAAAAAAMENNNNNNNNN!!! sml!
Name: asize12
Comment: Sorry, I meant he's 50%...well, he's both actually;-)
Name: Janissi
Comment: Here is that rant from a Hillary supporter at the rules committee meeting on Saturday. Someone may have all ready posted it. SMH. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQuZVAE3s
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: asize12:...Now you know YT don't consider any half-breeds, "White AT ALL"!!! And further?...their racism PROVES they have NEVER been about the damn..."issues"!!!! Those stupid as-s YT's who don't own shyt,can't spell shyt,& obviously...don't READ shyt!!, are just voting for their OWN ENEMY!!, just like those bible-belt mo fo's did for Bush & now wish they NEVER had!! It's ALWAYS been about..... "them AGAINST US"!!! Holla!!
Name: bigchassie
Comment: ATLANTA - Former President Carter says he'll endorse Democrat Barack Obama after the polls close on the final primaries. ADVERTISEMENT Carter told The Associated Press on Tuesday: "The fact is the Obama people already know they have my vote when the polls close tonight." Carter spoke to the AP after addressing the Georgia World Congress Center. Carter, a superdelegate, has remained officially neutral in the race but has offered high praise to Obama. Carter has noted that his children, grandchildren and their spouses back the Illinois senator. South Dakota and Montana hold primaries Tuesday.
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: Jacque:...Yeah!! & I'm "open" to "CLOSING" THE DAMN DOOR on her as-s!!! LOL!! One!!
Name: asize12
Comment: >taurus, yeah, I know they could care less...it doesn't matter if we're even 99% white...if we look black, then that's what we are and 'nig*ger' is the name of choice for some...We got some bozos that still believer that Obama is muslim! So, go figure. I read one post by someone that said "If he didn't support Farakhan then why did he attend the million man march?" Dumb bast*ard, black men didn't just go to the MMM because of Farakahn!!! How ignit is THAT?
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: asize12:....Thaaaaaaaaaaaat's YT!! LOL!! They are the very thing they say we & project onto US!.......IGNINT!! "YT" themselves are a living,walkng..... LIE & CONTRADICTION!!!
Name: asize12
Comment: >taurus, that's why I truly believe that they're so pis*sed at Rev. Wright cuz he called 'em out! They can't handle the troof!
Name: obraxton
Comment: The paying off of debt is common; the losing candidate's debt gets absorbed into the general election fund. It is to help pay for the people that worked on the campaign among other things. That is why John Edwards "suspended" his election, rather than quit. The surplus that Sen. Obama raised was for the primary, there's still money for the Presidential election to be made, and some is already in the bank. I will be suprised if she steps down tonight, she very well may, but I don't see it unless the SDelegates show their cards heavy tonight after the results.
Name: javone77
Comment: Taurus: you should check your yahoo messenger. I did tell you something lol
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: Sorry again...That should be...they say we "are"!! (damn!!, where is that damn typing class!!???) LOL!!
Name: Renetta
Comment: If he pays me $40 million I’ll support him? This just shows the Clintons don’t give a damn about America – they just want to get paid like most hos. Why should he GIVE her $40 million? There are so many more deserving people in need. No one told her to overspend. And why in the hell should he help those ‘black’ turncoats who were all up the Clintons %*$ endorsing them? If they lose their seats so be it. They made a choice and so can their constituents.
Name: javone77
Comment: Jimmy carter is gonna endorse barack obama. this guy posted that jimmy carter was the worst president we've ever had, That fool is on that ooooo weeee. I responded that the worst president we ever had is sitting his %*$ in the white house %*$!(@! up %*$! RAT NOW!!!! lol
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: asize12:...YEP!!! you win!!, you are "going to the show"!!! LOL!!! They are ALLERGIC to the damn truth!! "That's" why they "cheat" so damn much!! Anyone "playing fair"?? would never need to!!! Ya dig!!! (oops! sorry!!) LOL!!!
Name: Stephanie
Comment: That Beotch will stop at NOTHING...If he choose her for his VP, you can best believe on the presidential ballot section that says other: I'll write, Louis Farrakahn. Its like lady, disappear, we are so tired of you....he's f*ucked if chooses her to be his VP. Now we all have to hold our breath until he chooses his running mate...
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: javone77:....Ok! I will definitely.... "check that out"! sml!! And thanks on behalf of all US "sane people" for ...."handling that" with homeboy!!! lol!!!
Name: Stephanie
Comment: ASize12, get yo azz in your room, close the door and don't come out until I tell you too AND I MEAN NOWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!...OMG... **HOLLERING**
Name: asize12
Comment: LOL! Steph, girl those folks on politico.com don't be playin! You think WE'RE mean to Hillary? You ain't heard nothin' yet!
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: Renetta:....Your right!!! See, that's just it....THE TRUTH IS COMING OUT!!! about all this shyt!!! It has NEVER been about balancing the budget,freedom,preventing DRUGS,RACISM,SEXISM,POVERTY,ILLITERACY or ANY other legitimate issues they have reduced to a F'n "bumper sticker" slogan!! They have ALWAYS been about...getting paid & STAYING PAID by oppressing,separating & KILLING (the nationwide POLICE epidemic!!!).everyone who isn't....WHITE!!! One!
Name: KMJW
Comment: Ladies & Gents - Have a good day...I'm signing off!
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: obraxton:...But NO ONE b4 has made it a support..."condition"!! That's just how this bytch is.....EXTREMELY SELFISH & F'd UP!!!
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: Alright yall!!...Til the next installment of this crazy as-s "soap opera!!"...I'm out!! Have a good one!! Peace!
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