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McNasty
Comment: They believe in killing their own women and this young woman would have been smart to find out just how fanatical his family was about their religion and certainly find out how far they would take that family honor code.
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bigfriend
Comment: That is sad that people think so little of a life they would take it from someone. I think if it did not take years and years for someone to be put to death (how about 6 mos) once they receive the death sentence and they were killed in the exact same way they were convicted of killing another then there would be less murders- and more satisfaction for the families. Hey, if you did not think it was cruel and unusual to kill someone in the manner you did then it is not cruel and unusual for you to go the same way. It is not fair someone suffered so much then when the murderers get put to death they are sedated and hardly feel a thing.
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bigfriend
Comment: Mcnasty> Even if you do not get along with your in laws you do not think they may have you killed! She, just like most people do, probably thought she is not with his family she is with him and thats all. poor thing.
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shulamite
Comment: My aunt (African-American) married an Indian Hindu without his parents' knowledge. When they found out (b/c they brought his arranged intended to marry him), the sh*t hit the fan big time. My aunt feared for her life, but the parents softened when they had their first child. 30 years later, her husband is dead, but she travels to India twice per year to care for his parents. Miracles can happen.
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shulamite
Comment: I read more honour killing stories coming from Indian Muslims than from Indian Hindus, though there are some Hindus that get seriously caught up in caste system "violations".
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Gurlfrand
Comment: You be to be very cautious when you decide to marry someone of another race, because a lot of other races still do not have a high regard for black/african americans - many of them still have very defined ideals of who we are and what we represent or our history, and it makes them uncomfortable, even if you have money. What a sad story this is - aren't many indian groups darker skinned than blacks?
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barnone
Comment: gurl> it has nothing 2 do with the hue of the skin. many indians r very racist and if u know nething about their culture and caste system u would know dark complexions r very frowned upon by them. racism is a global epidemic. the same color issues that exist n amerikkka can b found throughout the world. we deal w/ the same thing here n israel between the sephardic and ashkenazi then u have the issue with the ethiopian brothers and sisters. it's quite deep, but then racism is.
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andryce76
Comment: very very sad
i wonder where the husband is and did they have any children?
just shows how hatred is a cancer
and will eat you up inside
this man prob doesn't even think he did anything wrong
people are going to have alot to pay for when the time comes
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oshun
Comment: i'd heard of this story.
let's not be fooled into thinking that we share a comradery with certain immigrants just because they are of color.
this 'man' carried over his beliefs and traditions from the indian caste system all the way across the waters, to the land where he supposedly came seeking 'a better life.' he may as well have stayed over there where he would've been rewarded for such backwards behavior.
makes one wonder: would he have had the same reaction had his son married a caucasion woman?
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JFromMO
Comment: oshun - i think they would have had the same reaction. i don't necessarily that it was because she was black, but because she was not of the same race. they have very strong beliefs. to act outside of those beliefs brings dishonor to your family. for him, killing her (or having her killed) was bringing honor back to their family. /bigfriend - i understand what you're saying about the murderers on death row. however, in these people's culture, him being killed will only make him a martyr. they view things so differently than we do. i went to school with a Indian guy. real cool. very outgoing. smart. everyone loved him. he was dating a caucasian girl for a long time. they were so into each other and probably would have gotten married, but his father forbade him to see her. i don't know if he had a wife waiting for him (probably), but in any case, he wouldn't be marrying this white girl. very sad cos you could see how much they liked each other.
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PRDC
Comment: Krama ia a -----. He probably never thought that this would come back and haunt him to his death, he should haveknow that he is in another country that don't go for that. Now to have to sit in jail after all these years will probably take him down but that's all of his doing. He probably would have reacted differently if she was white, you know how foreign get when it comes to the white race....even some blacks
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Shazza
Comment: Andryce-
I read more about this story on another site last week. The husband knew his parents didn't like black people so he told her family his parents were dead.
She was killed with their baby nearby!And after the murder, he left the baby in his wife's parents and hasn't seen her since.
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Penelope
Comment: Her killing was racially motivated period. It is a hate crime. That child is as light as they are. The fact the she was not Indian was why she ws murdered. More so because she was African American, with a distant relationship to Africa. This is a hate crime. Skin color has nothing to do with it.
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Shazza
Comment: *with his wife's parents
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MER82
Comment: I remember hearing about this story too....regardless of the culture and the historic religious belief systems, racism does cut very deep and is part of the main reason why these caste systems operate in the first place. In China, the "upper class" wear umbrellas in the sun, don't want that dark skin, fear of looking like a laborer-but yet and still it runs deeper than that. All people of color have been made to have a degree of hate over their skin. Its the saddest, most ironic and moronic thing ever. Also, people around the world over have come to know Black folk-particularly African-Americans as the lowest of the low class so I definitely think that has a lot to do with her death.
On another note, Shout out to Shulamite girl-I want you to know I saw you and Melody Cool in that other post-I got your back--from over here--I don't post in that hateful bald man's articles anymore. Sad that most can't read between his lines but he is not worth the effort or time.
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fanteeking
Comment: Penelope: I agree, it was a hate crime. And just to think this old%*$!(@!( earned his livelihood teaching at a HBCU. This story makes my blood boil!!! I hope the Ole Sumbitch rots in that jail cell.
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andryce76
Comment: Shazza thanks
i was wondering about that
really a sad sad shame
but you know this isn't surprising if they kill their own daughters because of dishonoring the family
what do you think they would do to someone else's daughter?
to alot of these people family honor is everything they will kill to keep it
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stellababy5
Comment: I read an article about this case last
week.This man hired Sparkle to work at
his motel.She fell in love with his son Ricky.Knowing how his parents felt
about African-Americans, they left from Mississippi to go to Atlanta.That's when the parents found out that she was pregnant and that they had married.Sparkle gave birth to a girl.When the contract was fullfilled her baby was not to far from her body.She was 7 months old.I personally think that the son knew something because he testified that his parents were racist and that was one of the reasons he did not tell them.After the murder he gave the baby to her mothers family ,she should be 8 or 9 yrs old.Ricky her father remarried again,but this time to a Indian woman.My heart breaks at wondering about that poor childs last moments as these (2)men were killing her.Believe it or not the father on trial is 10 times darker than Sparkle but yet they don't consider themselves to be anyone of color let alone be associated in any way with AA's.When you folks get a chance either purchase or rent a movie Denzel Washington and Charles Dutton starred in called"Mississippi Masala".It will answer alot of the stories of dislike that the Indians of India have for us.And to think the majority of them are darker than us but benefit from our historical accomplishments.Watch the movie it's great.Denzel even has a very tender love scene with a Indan woman.Peace and Blessings!
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fanteeking
Comment: StellaBaby5: I started this thread last week before EUR got a hold of it and I mentioned "Miss. Masala" the Denzel Washington film. I was told by a poster that I was stupid for trying to categorize a ethnic group's racism by a mere movie, but this is a deep set feeling with many Indians. I go to a health club with many Indians and when the enter the sauna or steam room, they will greet white folks but won't even look at us Black men like we give a care. Also, this is interesting. When I lived in Ethiopia, there were many Indian merchants who sold goods in a place called "Mercado" or Market. Ethiopians considered it a family dishonor to marry an Indian. They considered them to be Hindu dirt. Racism is rampant in ALL sectors of the world.
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MER82
Comment: Ya'll know that's probably why that Bollywood chick don't want to work with Will Smith-no matter how popular he is...but he doesn't get that.
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Grace12_34
Comment: In the summer, I work as a sightseeing guide aboard the double decker buses in Manhattan. I come into contact with people from all over the world. Indian men don't seem to respect women PERIOD. An Indian man was leaving the bus one day and stopped and began shaking his finger in my face, ASKING ME A QUESTION. I backed up and said, "Whoa! FIRST OF ALL, get your finger OUT of my face ..." I was told that is the way they talk to women. Just a couple of days ago, another Indian man began doing that and I stepped back ... HE wanted me to tell his wife that "The Phantom of the Opera" was a good Broadway show to see. My daughter's dentist is Indian. I was on the phone with him trying to set up an appointment. He wanted me to bring my daughter in that very same day. I told him I wouldn't be able come that day. He slipped and said, "WHY NOT?" I said, "EXCUUUSE ME?!" We set the appointment up for the following week.
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ChiDiva9
Comment: Grace that fool dentist should be happy that you still patronize him because I would have cut him off. However I believe Indians deal with the race issue and the sexism issue. The honor killings, burnings, beatings, stonings and hell public drownings have been happening over there for ages. They have no respect for women as a culture. So an African American woman has little chance. However per Shulamites post there are exceptions. But folks need to be really knowledgeable when marrying outside of their culture - even if that person looks exactly like you culture can make a misunderstanding destructive.
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Vipereen
Comment: I'm married to a Hindu Indian and he is so cool. His family is so mixed (a lot of mixed marriages) that race doesn't come up. When he introduced me to his family, they were blacker than me, I mean really black. He fits right into my family because he is so cool. This is actually the best relationship I have ever had. We are so much alike in the sense that we are spiritual (yes he goes to my "black" church with me), real, loving, funny and full of good advice. While I don't disagree with the comments on this board, just wanted you to know that this "Queen" found her "King".
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oshun
Comment: congrats, Vipereen. i think most of us realize that the actions of a few cannot speak for a people as a whole.
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fanteeking
Comment: One mo' thang an I'm outta here to work. I introduced my college room-mate, a Yoruba from Akure, Nigeria to an Africa-American, beautiful lady and they fell in love and got married. As soon as he reached Lagos, his politically influential father had a Yoruba lady that the father picked for his son who had just gotten his Vet. Degree. The father considered us African-Americans as sons of slaves or OMO-ERU in their language and we were to be pitied for being so weak to be enslaved. Ethiopians would call me BAREE-YAH behind my back and that means descendant of slaves. Some Africans are hung up on that slave issue. If some of them weren't so quickly induced to make a fast european buck, I'd be living and teaching at U of Ghana at Legon right now. We were sold down the river for 30 pieces of silver and I'm called OMO-ERU and BAA-REE-YAH by my African siblings!!!!!?????
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barnone
Comment: fan> what u experienced is merely the indoctrination of our african brothers and sisters by the european. and furthermore no africans on the continent may not have been enslaved but they damn sho have been colonialized which ain't no better and 2 much different from being enslaved. and please don't even get me started on how the israeli's straight up dog out the ethiopians here n israel.
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oshun
Comment: oh you done opened a whole other can'o worms, fanteeking! LOL
the continental african/african american dynamic is deep and complex. i could tell u some stories!
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McNasty
Comment: Bigfriend she like a lot of folk make that same mistake. Other cultures marry and arrange marriages to build families and wealth and this man was a very different culture than the one she came from. A little research may have gotten her to ask some difficult questions. When you marry someone and don't get along with their family they better be american and they need to live in another state so as to not be able to just drop in!
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McNasty
Comment: This killing would have happened no matter what color she was because she was not chosen by his family. While indians are as big a racist as some white folks when their kids embrace our culture it throws them into shock and desperation.
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NYCsoul
Comment: In the Caribbean community, Indian Hindu customs and culture is well-known. I have several relatives that are married to them, for better or worse. Meaning that is it all seems lovey dovey at first but they are extremely clannish. That's not a bad thing but it's not good either especially if you're an 'outsider'. In this case, I don't know if I could say it was only 'race'. I would venture to say that they are extremely 'money' conscious and that could have also been the reason behind the killing. This young lady may have been lower income and that probably didn't sit well with their parents. Obviously, there is not justification but Indians also kill each other over money and land. But they are also extremely cooperative with each other and support each other BECAUSE the other is an Indian. They are very race conscious. Also, Indians do have a problem particularly with their children marrying blacks. In the Caribbean community, it's becoming accepted but for a long time, you didn't marry an Indian because the fear is that when they leave you, they will take you for everything you have. There was a killing here in the tri-state area not too long ago that involved an Indian woman murdering her black husband. She said he was abusive but it came out that her husband was financially secure. Like McNasty said, it is very important to know about someone's culture and their customs before saying 'I do'.
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Janissi
Comment: Yeah, but the HUSBAND knew about his customs and culture so why would he put his future wife in that predicament? He then turned around married an Indian woman who knew nothing about his former wife and child. He has no contact with this child whatsoever.
By some of the posts, it sounds like the victim is being blamed for her own murder. SMDH. No sympathy, huh?
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Southernbelle
Comment: This is such a tragic story and there's still a little girl left behind with no parent's. McNasty's point made the most sense get to know the people you're marrying. I can guarantee you this man slept very well at night b/c he doesn't believe he did anything wrong in having this woman killed. It's a cultural thing that everyone won't understand.
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Janissi
Comment: This young lady worked for her father-in-law at a store; he worked at a black university. I think she probably knew him quite well and didn't expect to be murdered. Maybe I'm assuming too much. I don't think she would've married her husband if she remotely thought his family would have her killed. A lot of people marry into families that disapprove of the relationship, but how many people think they will be murdered behind it. Again, the SON knew how his family was. Why didn't he step up and not put her in that situation. Can anyone answer that question or is the daughter-in-law at fault? Just asking.
Here's the story on youtube:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TpV3u9eqUoQ
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fanteeking
Comment: Janissi: The son is a punk-azz, because he knew his family's customs and he deliberately put his wife in harm's way. Now, he has an Indian wife and his kicked his baby to the curb. What a pile of Indian-Hindu shyt!!!
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Janissi
Comment: THANK YOU, fanteeking! This is what I'm talking about. That's why I find it fascinating that some people on the board are saying she should've known about their customs as though she was to blame. Hell, HE knew about their customs and put HER in harms way. Very sad story indeed. Yes, punk-azz describes him to a "T."
Finally a voice of reason.
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fanteeking
Comment: Barmone: I left Ethiopia shortly before Colonel Mengistu Haile-Mariam killed those 66 military officers and arrested and later killed Emperor Haile-Selassie. I stayed with the Emperor's family. I never got to meet any Ethiopian Jews called "Falasha" because they lived north near Gondar and were very clannish. I so remember when the Israeli airforce airlifted thousands of Falashas from Ethiopia and ferreted them to Tel Aviv. It was called "Operation Moses" and there is a film or DVD that was made in the 1970s. The European Ashkennazis hate the Sephardic and the Sephardic hate the Oriental Jews and everybody hates the Ethiopians even though they were from the ORIGINAL 12 Tribes of Israel and their tribe is called "Dan" or "Den". Those Ethiopians now realize that heaven ain't always where you think it's at!!
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fanteeking
Comment: Janissi: Idi Amin Dah Dah, late ruler of Uganda got those Indians' number. They immigrated to Uganda and dominated the merchant class BUT always maintained their Indian citizenship. They would have a boat load of babies with Ugandan women, but you couldn't speak to those Indian women. Also, the same situation in Ghana with those nasty-azzed Lebanese. They controlled the Black Market and had the Africans jumpin' like flunky frogs. They controlled the illegal money exchange, drugs, prostitution etc. and Ghanan gov't. looked the other way. If you're ever in Accra and go to a night club called "Faisal's" please slap the shyt out of him and spit in his face. He's the nastiest and most corrupt Lebanese%*$!(@!( in Ghana!!!
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Southernbelle
Comment: @ Janissi and fanteeking, I totally agree with you all about the husband. He is the scum of the earth for putting this woman and child in harm's way and eventually abondoning his daughter in the end. He don't deserve to ever come into contact with his daughter behind this and I hope that her parent's are able to afford up a good upbringing. But, I understand MsNasty's point about knowing one cultural b/c Indians have been known for killing their own women. I recently read an article about an Indian man who killed his three daughters. The oldest for leaving her abusive husband and the youngest two for possiby following in her footsteps. That's pretty extreme for most Americans and at 22 was probably the farthest thing from this young lady's mind. She was in love and overlooked the obvious signs of trouble. Because there were signs i.e. having to move to another state. But, no I don't blame that poor soul one bit. I blame that low life of a father and his pathetic son.
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Janissi
Comment: fanteeking, thank you for breaking that down for me. Not surprised at all by what you said. I've had my run-ins with a few of them at stores, and trust and believe, I don't deal with em.
You said>>>If you're ever in Accra and go to a night club called "Faisal's" please slap the shyt out of him and spit in his face.
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I'll remember that.
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Janissi
Comment: Gotcha, Southernbelle! Truly a very tragic story. Thank God that baby girl does not remember the incident and is being raised by loving grandparents.
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NYCsoul
Comment: Janissi> I stated in my post that what was done to her was no justification for her dying. What I'm saying is that it is a pre-cautionary tale about what could happen when you don't know much about someone's else's culture. I don't think for a minute this young lady knew she would end up dead....Of course, the husband would end up marrying an Indian woman because that's how they do it. This does not surprise me. There is nothing wrong with marrying somebody outside your culture but just be aware and find out EVERYTHING about the person and their family. My mom would tell me in her time, if man was interested in a woman, his family would find out everything about her and family during courtship. Things have changed but it is very important that we find out whom we are dealing with before making a commitment. BTW, I find it telling that the Indian man's family gave the child to the black family to raise. It seems to me that for all his 'rebelliousness', it caused his 'wife' her life. What happened to both families raising this child?
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NYCsoul
Comment: fanteeking> I did not know that that the lebanese were that dominate in Ghana. I was watching one of those African movies based in Ghana and the lead actor made it a point in the story to say he was 'part lebanese'. I was like what is that about? But after reading your comments, it put things in perspective. Thanks for sharing.
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khufu
Comment: death penalty
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fanteeking
Comment: NYCSoul: I was a member of a group of gullible Black folks who were duped by Roy Iniss of Harlem's CORE (Phoney azzed organization) into plunking down a lot of money to go to Ghana and Kenya years ago. We found out the Roy Iniss and some shady Ghanaans had arranged for us to go on a rickety, Un-transoceanic worthy plane and they would make twice the money by carrying some un-documented Ghanaans back to NYC. The Ghaanan govt. got wind of this and sent Iniss a message that if our rickety azz plane was seen over Ghanaan waters, it would be shot down. Many of the gullibles lost their money but I went to the Amsterdam News an released an article and got my money back.
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fanteeking
Comment: NYCSoul: Faisal would have Ghanaan police officers and govt officials on his payroll and you could get anything illegal at his joint. What made me so angry was that this Faisal was prostituting many young Ghanaan girls who should have been in school or at home with their families. He would sell them to European tourist and whoever would pay the price for a virgin. Those dumb-azz Ghanaan police knew what was going on but didn't have the African Ashanti or Fantee respect to blow that mo fo a knew arse hole. I really was disappointed in their lack of self respect. If I write more I'm gonna get my pressure up because I saw so much corruption perpetuated by those nasty azzed Lebanese. They azzes shoulda bin in Beirut!!!! not Accra!!! Dr. Busia had been overthrown and General Ignatius Kofi Acheapong was the new leader.
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fanteeking
Comment: NYCSoul: Is Roy Iniss or his son Niger still in their office located above "Small's Paradise" in Harlem? Iniss and his CORE group voted Ronald Regan as "outstanding American of the 20th Century" so that shows you where they comin' from. Roy Iniss couldn't lead my dog Ceazer to his lunch plate. Sorry azzed mo fo!!
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NYCsoul
Comment: fanteeking> You have got to be kidding me?? How did the Africans allow other nationalities to take over like that? That's why if anyone dares call me a 'son of slave', I would respond back, 'it's no better than being a paid slave of the colonizer'. I have always wanted to go to Ghana because of the spiritual connection. I still want to travel to Africa and see it for myself. I also heard that the Ethopians are nice. Do you have any suggestions on which African countries would be nice to visit?
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NYCsoul
Comment: fanteeking> I didn't know that Roy Innis had an office in Harlem of all places. I can't stand him nor the sight of him so I have no idea what that clown is up to. He is biggest opportunity pimp on the planet. That story you posted about him doesn't surprise me one bit. Him and his son are flunkies for yt and anyone who would give them a handout. What the hell has CORE done lately besides handing out honorary chicken dinners for their massas?
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fanteeking
Comment: NYCsoul: This may surprise you but I'd recommend that you go to Bahia Salvador Brazil before you go to Africa so you can see the destination point of the African diaspora. I felt more of the spirit of Africa in Bahia than I did in all the countries that I lived in in continental Africa. The Bahians are a proud people and proud of their African roots. I went to a party there and met Brazilians who are descendants of the Yorubas from Nigeria of the 1600 and who still speak an ancient Yoruba. I was in a party mumbling an old Yoruba prayer, "Baba oju rey mowo wu" and was over-heard by a Brazilian Yoruba who understood the ancient prayer. There is an African religious community in Bahia called CANDOMBLE and you see many aspects of African religion that are observed in the old world. Yeah, I recommend Bahia first!!!
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BKLYNVIAMAHATTAN
Comment: you have to be so careful when you are dealing with them... I have an Indian Friend, who has been here in the United States since she was 6 years old. She is now in her late 40's... She told me things that happen with the Hindu's that's unbelieveable... Well where I work they are flooding them in trying to send all the programming, etc over to India. I now live in New Jersey and I could tell you they got Exchange Place/Harborside SEWEN UP!!!! I have had 3 really bad encounters with certain individuals. First off, there are 3 classes of them from what I've been told, I guess that explains the hissing between the the sect's so to speak. My Friend is so New Yorkish that it's a clear example of freedom. She still have family in India, but she is like ....and!!! A lot of them Men treat the Women in their family as dogs!!! forget second rate citizens... Well, I had to one day actually put one in check on the Path Train. I'm standing near the door because I get off the second exit. Low and behold here comes a mess of people trying to catch the train as the door closes.. The particular person made sure his bookbag with was the size of a small person got caught in the door. Now mind you I'm near the door, and it's a crowded train.. Well, he decided to elbow his way in.. and when he did he hit me in my Left Breast... The one I just had the cyst removed from. I look ed at him like wow... your hit from your elbow really hurt me. So I said to him "Excuse me" you hurt me.. and he looked at me and said, so what... He shouldn't of said anything!!!! His breath was so bad, it just didn't smell like he was eating anything from any basic food group!!! There were others around me, and I politely told them, excuse me, but please move back. As the train was pulling into the World Trade Center, I acted like I had dropped something, and before the train stopped I came up and knocked his %*$ Out!!! He had such a look on his face when he came up off that floor. I hear people clapping.. before the doors opened I stepped up to his Face and said what do you want to say now Aladdin, now get on your carpet and get the uck out of here!!!! That MoFo took off so fast it was unbelievable. And I didn't have any problems with the popo confronting me either.
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