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Selah
Comment: When jealousy meets a microphone...KABONG!! The sad part about it is the leaders don't even need to be set up. They set themselves up with their back biting, jealous, disrespectful selves.
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BKLYNVIAMAHATTAN
Comment: @Selah.. good morning, TGIF! When I logged in yesterday, that was the first thing I wrote... Jealousy. I agree with Spike 1000% in this one.
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javone77
Comment: spike usually picks some crazy battles to fight but I am with him on this thing.
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GETREEL
Comment: I have to agree with Spike. I have never heard Obama "talk down" about black people, and for Jesse to make such a crass statement to cover his short comings is unnerving. He's supposed to be such a civil rights activist. When I was coming up, it was for us as blacks to support and lift each other up. It's bad enough that there are enough other people that don't want a black man as president - then for us to constantly tear us down - he might as well be a rapper - HA HA HA
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HarrisThomas
Comment: as I was reading a free newspaper while enroute to work, I found myself pondering this item in the newspaper: "Barack Obama represents an existential threat to Jesse Jackson. If he succeeds, he badly undermines Jackson and his methods. Jackson needs Obama to fail, even if he must avoid having anything to do with the failure." Daniel Finkelstein, Timesonline.com
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: Yo...I don't know if it's all 'bout jealousy...It's not all 'bout Jesse...I think the old guard feels left out of the mix...I know, I know, it's a new time and day and while I never had to go through what the old heads went through ya gotta admire their courage and guts...Jesse isn't the only one who feels this way...I can't imagine Barak's dilima (SP)..."I gotta keep the old guard at arms length so as not to alienate the white folks but I don't wanna marginalize their sacrifice"...Tis a slippery slope...We're all a part of history here and the old guard wants their paragraph...This is new ground for Black folks, fucc ups are gonna happen. I just hope we don't blow this opportunity...Look, in the history of this country this is the first time a Blackman has ran for POTUS and has a realistic shot (*bad use of word, huh?)....
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HarrisThomas
Comment: I also found myself pondering an article by Susan Ferrechio who wrote: "Throughout the primary season, Obama delivered many sermonlike speeches to black audiences, mostly to thunderous applause. But Obama's approach has left many blacks concerned about racial inequalities and wondering if he will start addressing issues important to them, such as urban poverty, discrimination, and AIDS, like Jackson has done before." . . . . . Ms. Ferrechio quotes Ronald Walters, director of the African American Leadership Center at the University of Maryland as saying "Obama's Father's Day speech appeared aimed at white evangelicals and was not different than something Newt Gingrich would have done." . . . . . in the Ferrechio article, Eric Easter of Ebony/Jet is quoted as saying "By choosing that moment to castigate black fathers, some worry that Obama gave public voice to what white people whisper about blacks in their living rooms and cemented his image as a post-racial savior at the expense of black men."
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TGen
Comment: Spike said something interesting in this article that made me think: "These old heads, I don't know why they're doing this stuff." He magnified this issue past JJ and onto a lot of the old knuckleheads (Andrew Young comes to mind as I type this). But I think though this seems to be a minor issue, when you really dive into it (which I'm sure people will for a while), it makes you wonder if what a lot of the [White] conservatives say about the modern day civil rights acts and the Dem party, has some validity. Maybe these people really do benefit more from Blacks' being dependent (on gov., on them, etc) than from Blacks' self-determination. Maybe these people have made a career out of Blacks' downtroddeness and when that's threatened by someone like an Obama (but there are others), they don't know how to digest it. So yes, tt's probably jealousy, but also a sense of self-importance (ie power) being threatened. Just a theory...
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HarrisThomas
Comment: BOOT is right: the old guard is in distress . . . . . the old guard thinks that the only resolutions for resolving the continuing plight of blacks in America can come fully vetted from them and they are not being consulted and/or recognized . . . . the slippery slope is whether or how much the old guard is willing to do to sabotage the O-BA-MA!! campaign to ensure failure without any attribution to the old guard
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HarrisThomas
Comment: TGen, as I fade back to my desk to push paper, I heartily co-sign your statement . . . . . people have made careers as "those who must be consulted" on black issues and they don't like having a savy black man (bi-racial to those who will quibble), succeed at breaking the highest glass ceiling in this country without any assistance from them . . . . . the rise of O-BA-MA!! signals that the time for poverty pimping is at an end
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kwrob
Comment: I won't say it's clearly jealousy on Jesse's part, but that green eyed monster is on this somewhere. Even if Jesse didn't mean for his comments to go public (which I highly doubt), and even if he called himself trying to get Obama to do "better" about how he talks to us, the fact remains that he was at a news studio Black simply can't trust. He was also talking to somebody who is not his friend, and who could have been an anonymous leak even without the mic being hot. In this age of TMZ, EURWEB, Youtube, and Mediatakeout, everybody has to watch closely what they do and what they say, espcially public figureheads.
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bigchassie
Comment: DAGG!! DIDN'T YALL JUST SEE THAT???...MLK JUST ROSE UP FROM THE DEAD AND BOPPED JJ UPSIDE THE HEAD!!
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bigchassie
Comment: Can yall imagine JJ going to a restaurant and he asks the waiter, "well what is your specialty of the house today?" the waiter says, "well sir, for you, we have some scumptious sweedish meatballs, or how about some delishious sausage balls with Obama-salmic vinagar sauce!" lol! that man ain't gonna never live this down!
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andryce76
Comment: well it's "Hymietown all over again
maybe Jesse thought Obama was talking to him personally
like my grandma used to say if you can't say something nice just shut the f-ck up
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MsVanese
Comment: Hasn't Bill Cosby basically said the same thing about black families? Attack Barack seems to be the motto lately. GO O!!! Do the d**n thing.
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...Another point to ponder...Does Rak's impending electon mean that racism can no longer be used as an excuse?...Will the old guard go outta style?...Will they be pushed to the back of the bus?...Would this be a such a big deal had Rak embraced at least one of the old guard and put 'em on board?...Hilary had a bunch of 'em in her pocket but couldn't Rak have "hooked a old guard brotha up?"...
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javone77
Comment: Boot: I agree. the old heads have paved a little of the way and I do feel they want to be apart. however, the name for threatening to shut the city down has passed. they can get on the bandwagon but they gotta leave the bullhorn and the perms at home LOL
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MsVanese
Comment: Barack Obama is the man. He even has his own word now. http://www.wordspy.com/words/Obamacon.asp
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bigchassie
Comment: JAVONNE>i agree with yall on that one.
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WordUp
Comment: One thing is for sure. Spike Lee got balls! That man will publicly speak his mind and could care less about what anybody else thinks of his publicly stated words. I gots plenty of love for a man like that!
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bigchassie
Comment: MSVANEESE>i know that's right. don't you know i brought three Obama Tee shirts last night. one from his campagin website, and two from cafepress.com.
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bigchassie
Comment: WORDUP>yes. yes he does.
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javone77
Comment: chassie: girl, what website did you buy your shirt from? I know about cafe press.
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bigchassie
Comment: JAVONNE>That is where i got them from. cafepress.com. Barack's tee shirt i got from barackobama.com. the tee shirts from cafepress has more variety and they are prettier. barack's are nice but of course very conservitie (sp)but the purchase of the tee shirt goes to his campagain.
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javone77
Comment: chassie: ok well I am going to get one from each myself cause I definiely want to give to the campaign
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...Yo, I just saw a Rak Bama tee-shirt..."Unbreak-a-balls"...
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javone77
Comment: boot: I saw a shirt asking if we were ready for a black president. and it said yeah why not? the poresident we have now is retarded. LOL
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bigchassie
Comment: JAVONNE>yeah gurl, buy two. you know you got to be working the Barackwear for august. cause you know it's gonna be on and poppin in the fashion thang.especially at the DNC.
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bigchassie
Comment: LOLBOOT>ooh where did you see that at? is it on line? i got to see it! lol!
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bigchassie
Comment: JAVONNE>LOL!! I LOVE IT!! but gurl, i love cafepress.com their variety of tee shirts are off the chain! they even have shirts for your dog and...Thongs! lol! they have everything!
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: Yo..This is what NAS had to say 'bout the Jackson cutting comment:
“I think Jesse Jackson, he’s the biggest player hater. His time is up. All you old n****s, time is up. We heard your voice, we saw your marching, we heard your sermons. We
don’t wanna hear that s**t no more.
“It’s a new day. It’s a new voice. I’m here now. We don’t need Jesse; I’m here. I got this. We got Barack, we got David Banners and Young Jeezys.
“We’re the voice now. It’s no more Jesse. Sorry. Goodbye. You ain’t helping nobody in the ‘hood. That’s the bottom line. Goodbye, Jesse. Bye!”
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bigchassie
Comment: JAVONNE>I brought two really pretty ones in black tee shirt. one is OBAMA MAMA in multi color lettering and the other is BARACK OBAMA FREEDOM PEACE CHANGE and there is a big O in the middle of it and it's also multi colored. They have some very nice tee shirt designs. there is even one of Michelle and Barack. that reall pretty romantic picture of them and it says Michelle Obama First Lady. gurl, you just got to go through the website. there is over 36,000 designs!
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javone77
Comment: chassie: I've been to cafepress. that's where the shirt is about bush being retarded lol
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...This sh1t is wrong, Holocaust survivors don't get talked about like that by young Jews...Japanese Americans who were sent to camps during WWII don't get talked about like that by young Japanese...If they do, we don't hear 'bout it...If we honestly look at history...The youth of that era did way more sh1t and made way more sacrifices...This is not meant to make them gods but c'mon now...Ya gotta give 'em their props and respect...I can hear 'em now..."I took a dog bite for your azz"....
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bigchassie
Comment: BOOT>i don't know about Nas. sometimes he needs so shaddup too cause he says things without really thinking either. to be honest, if something serious goes down (Jenna 6, Sean Bell) in our community, who do they call first? Al Sharpton and he is right there. so i would not count them out completely. it may be a new day and all but we still need the fighters of the struggle to stand up for those who cant but what Al and the rest of the "old heads" need to do is to teach the young ones to carry on with the fight and to handle it with dignity.
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MsVanese
Comment: is there one that says "Don't hate, Obama '08"?
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bigchassie
Comment: JAVONNE>LOL! you know, i think i remember seeing that shirt!
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javone77
Comment: msvanese: I don't think so. but maybe. there are 36,ooo designs. lol but I think on that site people submit their designs and they get made into shirts. am I right chassie? if so, maybe you could submit that one. :) of course they have "obama is my homeboy" LOL
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bigchassie
Comment: MSVANEESE>oh i love that one! there is even a bumper sticker that says: EVEN MY LLAMA IS FOR OBAMA! LOL!
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bigchassie
Comment: JAVONNE>yep, that's right!
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musbdherbs
Comment: Boot..LOL..Now I do hope that's one of your comedic lines cuz I know GOTDAMN well Nas ain't said no shyt like that especially David Banner considering how he made such a complete azz of himself in that ridiculous hip-hop vs. america crap on BET. Ed Gordon made an excellent point last night as america was trashing Jackson. He said that in mainstream american politics, you never trivialize the old-line politicians (think helms, thurmond). They may be seen not "as relevant" but never irrelevant and continue to receive the support of the commnuity that continues to elect them and don't ask for a replacement. For black america, there is the notion that you must become irrelevant...out w/the old...in the w/the new. I will take it further. What this whole thing means to me is that there is a push to replace one black identity w/another. MSM has told us that we need a new leader. Instead of challenging that notion of "one voice" we push for the day for the next Obama which = "one voice"
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bigchassie
Comment: JAVONNE/MSVANEESE>i love that tee shirt of obama as uncle sam.
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bigchassie
Comment: MUSBHERBS>right on!
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MsVanese
Comment: well, there is now. not sure if anyone can access it though.
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bigchassie
Comment: JAVONNE/MSVANEESE>Did you check out the design with Obama with the hat cocked ace duce to the side saying AGENT OF CHANGE? LOL! cool!
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bigchassie
Comment: DAGG! it's too bad they won't let us wear our Obama gear here at work.
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grayeyesliu
Comment: Spike needs to sit his old tired azz down also. I don't think jealousy has anything to do with it. A man can't even make a comment without everyone trying to put him on a couch and come up with a reason he said it.
Sometimes we say shyt just to just say something. Hell, I talk shyt about all the guys I see who are under 5ft 7inches, but I'm not jealousy or hating on them, its just a happens that way.
People need to stop all the crap about what old heads say and get behind Obama. Jealousy or no Jealousy, hell, we don't know, but Jesse have done a hell of a lot for us folks, so Spike(damn midget Lee) Do The Right Thing and shut up.
Jesse Jr. just wants to get Obama seat seat, little flat nose weasel.
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Olivia
Comment: O.k I know I am going to get all kinds of crap, but did anyone listen to WHY Jesse said what he said? Did we not hear him say “he’s talking down to black people?” This “everybody is jealous of Obama” is starting to get thin with me. Tavis is jealous, Rev. Wright is jealous, Father phleger is jealous, Farrakhan is jealous, Jesse is jealous. I am trying to figure out how a Presidential candidate who claims to be race neutral always find a black pathology speech for us and away to scold black folks? One can’t be so politically naïve to say “it’s out the goodness of his heart”. Every election year black & white politicians use black mortality as political football and that’s what Jesse and many other are peeved about. Telling black people not to feed our children Popeye's chicken is not policy, it's mean and rude. Unless Obama can mandate black people to marry, it's not his role as a Presidential candidate. Some act like black folks are dumb; WE KNOW OUR ISSUES, SO WHO WAS HE TELLING? You mean a black child who doesn’t have a father, does already know this? So who was the speech for? Maybe I am in the minority, but I actually listen to white people talk about how his chastising black folks helps him with West Virginia and Reagan Democrats and we are suppose to believe he doesn’t know this? He would be a poor politician if he didn’t. I hear ad nauseum how he not running for the President of black America, then why single us out?
I find it humorous how we believe in this idea of the “elders time is up”. Nope, their time is up when they are dead. It’s funny that white folks can have as many political heavy hitters as they please, but we have to have one @ a time and you make it sound like its normal. LOL. Obama, Jesse, Al, Tavis, the Minster serve different constituencies as long as people like Spike believe “one has to go, to make a way for one more” we will NEVER have the broad base political , social, economic power we crave. It’s more than enough room for everybody. With that said…only two choices Obama and McCain. Choose Obama, but I am not writing him a black check though and we should ASK other black folks do so either...
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MsVanese
Comment: i definitely plan on buying some of the different ones & distributing them to my family. YES WE CAN!!
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TGen
Comment: "MSM has told us that we need a new leader. Instead of challenging that notion of "one voice" we push for the day for the next Obama which = "one voice" I promise I was thinking this SAME thing! I saw that exchange and I was disappointed neither guest pointed this out. This is the underlining theme of this whole JJ/BO convo (esp by the media) that has made me uncomfortable. It has that tinge of "those Black folk need a person to follow" idea that is really quite insulting.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: I am mindful that Dr. King was viewed with suspicion by the old guard back in his day . . . . . plus, everyday people didn't quite know what to think about Dr. King as a man from the black middle class who was upsetting the white men who would make their dreary, poor lives a worse hell on earth in retaliation . . . . . Dr. King's activities competed with those of other black activist groups of that time and leaders of those activist groups made incredible negative comments about the man and his methods . . . . . Dr. King's methodology was not completely vindicated by black activists and everyday people until after he died . . . . . going forward, we have to remember our history, folks, and I don't mean glamorized, revisionist pablum fronting as history
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sweetheart
Comment: Obama was absolutely right. This fatherlessness is killing us as a people. We have to wake up and do better.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: JJ's remarks have us introspecting and bringing forth nasty forces of evil . . . . . we are constantly bamboozled by our inability to seperate fact from fiction or hype
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bigchassie
Comment: MSVANEESE>Have you chosen one you like yet? don't forget to go into his website and get one of his, so the purchase money can go to his campagin.
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sweetheart
Comment: JJ should go take care of his illigitamate child and leave Rak alone. JJ has contributed to another fatherless child and that is why he is jealous of Rak for being a “good” man to his black wife and black children.
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bigchassie
Comment: SWEETHEART>Beleive me, JJ is catching heyell right now. from everybody.
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MsVanese
Comment: not yet chassie, there are so many good ones. will do, thanks for the heads up.
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TGen
Comment: Wow, Olivia there is SO much wrong with your argment(s), I don't even know where to begin. 1) WHO said Rev Wright was "jealous?" Never heard it, not even once. 2)What does this mean? "always find a black pathology speech" "Always" as in more than he's talking about the economy, Bush, McCain, etc.? And by "Black pathology" r u saying he means ALL Blacks or just those doing trifling things?" Please revisit a speech he's given and point to where he condemns the collective "Black pathology." I have not witnessed this. I'm curious to see your evidence. 3)"Telling black people not to feed our children Popeye's chicken is not policy, it's mean and rude." SAYS WHO? Why is it not an act of LOVE? Hell, I get on everyone I care about all the time about eating healthy and it comes from a place of LOVE, not "rudeness or meanness." And is not public policy supposed to be that which helps benefit the PUBLIC? How does promoting health NOT fall into this category? I'm confused. 4)"So who was the speech for?" I think it was for the [apparent] 70% of adults having kids without marriage. Just a guess. 5) WHO ever said BO WASN'T a politician? lol I have never heard any intelligent person claim this. 6) People don't have a problem with respecting the "elders," except for when the elders don't return that respect? Not sure how this lends credence to JJ's wanting to castrate someone though. Hmmm
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bigchassie
Comment: MSVANEESE>gurl i know. there is so many designs to choose from. enjoy the website and take your time. Obama's tee shirts are nice, they are more understated, which is understandable and they are nice and simple in style. but if you want to find your own style, cafepress is the way to go. i wonder are there any black websites selling Obama tee shirts?
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bigchassie
Comment: TGEN>I concurr with you sweet.
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bigchassie
Comment: MSVANEESE>i keep looking at that Michelle for first lady design. i just love that picture. it's so pretty!
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katgrrrl
Comment: WordUp, I'll give ya that. Spike WILL speak his mind and not mince words. Sometimes I agree and sometimes not, but does he care? Awww hell's nawww! And I dig it. This time though, I'm in agreement. On the other hand, I ain't mad at Jesse. Disappointed. VERY Disappointed. But not mad. Anymore.
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MsVanese
Comment: the old saying, divide & conquer is certainly clear in the election year. divide the black people & conquer obama's chances. at least that is my opinion, but as far as i can tell, even the younger voters are impressed with what obama is saying and are actually LISTENING to his words. HOPE hasn't been in the hood in a long time, and that is what is needed.
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MelodyCool
Comment: HarrisThomas, you need to go read Tim Wise's article: http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/07/04/uh-obama-racis m-white-voters-and-the-myth-of-color-blindness/
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MelodyCool
Comment: Some of you are really a bunch of ingrates to attack elder civil rights icons. You'd probably mete out the same treatment to Dr. King and Malcolm X if they were alive today...no doubt. This is why there's a dearth of leaders stepping up to help in our continued struggle. You're blind if you think it's over.
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MelodyCool
Comment: It's truly sad watching this feeding frenzy of attacks on Jesse Jackson. How soon we forget. Some of you are truly pathetic! I wonder what are you going to do when Obama tells you straight up he's not black. Oh yes, that day is coming.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: thanks, melodycool . . . . .everybody on this board today needs to read the article at the link that melody provided:
http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/07/04/uh-obama-racis m-white-voters-and-the-myth-of-color-blindness/ . . . . .
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MelodyCool
Comment: musbdherbs====>Ed Gordon made an excellent point last night as america was trashing Jackson. He said that in mainstream american politics, you never trivialize the old-line politicians (think helms, thurmond). They may be seen not "as relevant" but never irrelevant and continue to receive the support of the commnuity that continues to elect them and don't ask for a replacement.<===== It seems blacks have a very treacherous nature anytime they will allow whites to dictate who our leaders should be. Folks keep talking about ousting JJ and Sharpton as though the civil rights struggle is over and there are plenty of others waiting in the wings to replace them. If OUR struggle is over then why are there plenty of watchdogs groups prowling to protect Jews, Italians, (Spike Lee was admonished recently), Latinos and women etc? Blacks seem to be the only group MSM has deemed NOT in need of collective protection. Why is that? We can forget about ever rolling as one and the fact that folks can jump on the bandwagon attacking JJ knowing full-well what Obama is NOT doing for the black community, but he's free to make promises for other groups. Some are so "high" on the thought of a "biracial" man becoming POTUS they have taken leave of their senses!!!! Next you're going to find out just how "his" people feel about blacks even though have black blood coursing through their veins. Good for you!!
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Grace12_34
Comment: @Olivia >>>> You are right on point when you question who Barack is REALLY talking to with these speeches "chastising blacks." I know he sure as hell isn't talking to ME, because he isn't saying anything I am not fully aware of. He isn't talking to black folks AT ALL. He is sending messages to whites in West Virginia and other places that he has the same values that they do (although sadly it is at the expense of black folks). It is very interesting that people are beginning to realize that what they SEE is not always what they GET. In the beginning of this campaign, all black folks saw was a man with an African father and a black wife. In their minds, this made him a champion of their causes and someone who would address issues important to them. We will see the country change, but I think as a people, we should not expect to see our issues at the forefront of that change. As we cast our ballots, we should do so with our EYES WIDE OPEN.
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PTown
Comment: I'm really surprised at how I feel about this situation.
Let me say, on the up and up, Jesse had no reason to say what he say about Obama. BUT, I'm with BOOT on this one. I do believe that they do feel out of the mix. Whether this situation was created or not by the people that led the civil rights struggle is irrelevant. You know, as much as we see Jesse and Al protesting, sometimes ad nauseum, on and in certain events, frankly speaking, NO ONE ELSE WAS STEPPING TO THE PLATE AND DOING IT. Hell, the reason why you saw them so much is because so many people wanted to remain neutral and PC.
I'm the biggest Obama fan you can find. And, frankly, I think that is why Obama was so forgiving of Jesse. Is it sour grapes? Probably. Should we have compassion for him? To a degree, this is a free pass but he is on probation. Do I think that the times of old and new need to merge and create the best practices of both. Hellous yeah.
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MelodyCool
Comment: grayeyesliu, I also heard JJ Jr. wants to run for mayor and a latino is going to oppose him. He probably feels Obama will help push him into whatever position he wants. Have you noticed white folks aren't hounding Dogg Chapman for his racist outburst to his son in a private conversation? Dogg is now back on television and was even on a game show with his family and Kathy Lee Gifford's recently. Where's the backlash for him???
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Southernbelle
Comment: @ Olivia, I hear you. I won't condemn Jackson on his "point" it's his "presentation" that I have a problem with ie it's not what he said but how he said it. IMO, Jackson more than anyone should be familiar with how it feels to be in Barack's shoes. I could only imagine that this whole presidential run must be wild roller coaster ride with candidates trying to appease everyone. If Jackon has/had a problem with Barack's politics then I feel he has the right just like any American citizen to call him to task. But you do so in a respectfull manner. You don't suggesst the castration of any man, whether Obama or McCain, to prove a point. Especially when unprovoked. I just expected more from someone in Jackson's position . Yes, I truely believe that there's more than enough room for the old heads and new comers in the civil rights movement. Even though I don't think Barack's applying for that particular position.
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Grace12_34
Comment: While I think Jesse Jackson is a jelaous low-life piece of shyt for this and MANY other reasons, I believe Melody is correct. That day WILL come, BUT if the only choice on that ballot was between Mickey Mouse and John McCain, I would vote for Mickey.
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MelodyCool
Comment: Olivia ======> I am trying to figure out how a Presidential candidate who claims to be race neutral always find a black pathology speech for us and away to scold black folks? One can’t be so politically naïve to say “it’s out the goodness of his heart”. Every election year black & white politicians use black mortality as political football and that’s what Jesse and many other are peeved about.<==== THAT'S just it, Obama is not race neutral and that veneer is slowing being exposed. Being that he's half white why won't he dare speak directly to the ill of that side??
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Reds
Comment: <Scraeeeem!> Not you too Spike. I thought you were a more intelligent black man, but it seems that you are just another unsophisticated Negro. Can't you see what is happening? Divide and conquer, straight out of the Willie Lynch play book. Playing the so called old guard against the new. Just watch the white media. Last night I saw MSNBC Chris Mathews trying to do the same thing with a guy called Reverend Eugene Rivers and Ed Gordon. Rivers was all drunk off the Obama kool aid, and playing into the divisive game, talking crap about the post JJ era, passing the baton and the "ascension" of Obama. Whatever.
Ed Gordon showed his sophistication and wasn't having it. He made the point that in mainstream politics, folks don't trivialize the older politician and try to make them irrelevant. But in black politics we are so quick to make this assumption that you are no longer relevant. Michael Eric Dyson also breaks it down, "Obama's comments on black fathers were used to win over socially conservative whites." Look people, this is Obama, not MLK, Stokey Carmichael, or Medgar Evers. This is a politician who started his political career by eliminating black contenders using dirty tactics. Peep this. In his first run for public office in 1996, Barack Obama faced an unexpected obstacle. A liberal black incumbent had encouraged him to run for the Illinois state senate seat she intended to vacate. Then she changed her mind, deciding to run again.
Mr. Obama hired a fellow Harvard Law School graduate, challenged the validity of signatures on her nominating petitions, and got her thrown off the ballot. He did this to a sister, a black woman. Damn.
After he was trounced in a congressional race by a former Black Panther, he barnstorm .... His subsequent victory was helped along by newspaper disclosures of embarrassing material from the divorce papers of a Democratic opponent. Please black folks, read the full article at
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB120873956522230 099.html
Hey MelodyCool, here is an interesting article also "The Audacity of Imperial Airbrushing: Barack Obama’s Whitewashed History of U.S. Foreign Policy and" http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_ content&task=view&id=695&Itemid=1
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HarrisThomas
Comment: why do people need for O-BA-MA!! to be the candidate primarily representing black Americans? . . . . my response to Tim Wise on his July 4, 2008, L.A. Progressive article entitled "Uh-Obama: Racism, White Voters and the Myth of Color-Blindness" is that the problems impacting blacks as listed in his article are not only for a presumptive black candidate for president to address because the problems need to be addressed by ALL politicians at ALL levels of government . . . . . think of the situation this way: the Civil Rights legislation didn't say it was for blacks only and it enabled blacks, whites, latinos, females, males, straights, gays, the disabled - any people who bumped up against unfair and unjust exclusions . . . . . as president, O-BA-MA!! , McCain, or even Clinton (if there is a coup at the convention) will have to address civil rights disparities impacting all areas of all American lives . . . . just wondering: if s/he were to be elected, would McCain or Clinton be president for white men only? white women only?
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...Mus, I read it on Bossip.com...Now, I don't know how credible they are...It's a entertainment site....much like this one...'cept we got lots more smarter kneegrows posting up in here...lots more smarter..
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martha
Comment: just what spike said jesse need sat dowm alest obama dn have kids outside his marriage
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martha
Comment: just what spike said jesse need sat dowm alest obama dn have kids outside his marriage
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martha
Comment: just what spike said jesse need sat dowm alest obama dn have kids outside his marriage
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BlkATLTop
Comment: Melody Cool- are you a McCain supporter or do you intend to stay home on election day?
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HarrisThomas
Comment: the black old guard prefers to eat its young rather than peacably make space at the table for them so that all can go forward doing the good and necessary work that has to be done . . . . . I don't know whether O-BA-BA!! approached the old guard on bended knee and asked for their grace on his run for the presidency: did he?
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Stephanie
Comment: The sad part in all of this is, we don't need white people to destroy us as a people, we do a pretty good job of it ourselves. Whether JJ was jealous or not, he of all people should be the most proud. Its been a long time coming and its finally here. To me, this just really showed JJ for the real fraud that he is. Why would he want to cut the man's balls off? Because he talks down to black people? How? By speaking the truth? That Father's Day message truly hit home for JJ and we all know, "the truth hurts". I'm sad, I'm disappointed that we simply cannot come together and enjoy history getting ready to be made. Obama is not our saviour and he probably won't be able to change much but one thing about him, he hasn't sold out. We have to look at this as him being for the middle class masses that are continuing to get screwed in every way. The fact that his wife is black like me and his children are black like mine is good enough for me. All I want is change. I'm tired of paying $70 for gas, I'm tired of a war that has brought this country to a recession. I hoping Obama is the person to bring about change but if not, I'm going to enjoy the moment of a black lady being the first lady and 2 black children growing up in the White House! Hell Yeah...
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selina1984
Comment: WOW. so cool guy,does he still hook up with those tall beauties on the tall dating site ____Tallmingle.com____ ???The last time I saw his profile is last monday, hope he does not leave.
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g888
Comment: Olivia you are a voice of reason...
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Reds
Comment: Black people, PLEASE read this article "For Obama, Chicago Days Honed Tactics" http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB120873956522230 099.html. See the dirty (Karl Rove) tactics he used to eliminate a black woman who had mentored him. We want him to win, but don't get it twisted, He is no MLK. He is just another politician, and a dirty one at times.
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PRDC
Comment: Of all places to run his mouth was on Fox News ...Bill O'reilly is having a day with this...I heard this morning that he said there is more down talking about Ombama. Jesse messed hiself up and people will never forget it...it shows just what this man is about. I was trying to like him but this tops the cake. I think its more envy than jealousy. The gentleman he was telling this too looked like what the hell is this fool saying. Like the saying goes it is what it is.
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ....Yo, yesterday I was driving to Mcdonalds...Yeah, they have a new southern chicken sammitch that I want to try...I was accompanied by my young niece...She's only 5 years old...She's very smart and precocious as we're traveling down the road I noticed that she was strangely quite...Normally, she's very talkative...I asked her what was wrong and she looked up at me with those pretty brown eyes which had teared up...Her natural brown air blowing in the breeze caused by the cars windows being down...She sighed and said "Unca Bootane, why does Rev. Jackson wanna cut off Barak Obama's nuts, won't that hurt him?...She then began to cry...She finally said...Can he be President without nuts?'...
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MelodyCool
Comment: Reds, thanks for those articles. ===>This is a politician who started his political career by eliminating black contenders using dirty tactics. <====== I KNEW what Obama was all about when I learned this some time ago. Black folks will realize this election is ALL about Obama. Reds, did you read on BAR how Obama did the black media after promising they would have access to him? He's gonna bury his foot up blacks folks' collective arses so deep it won't be funny and some will still come back for more. He's treacherous by nature...a wolf in sheep's clothing I say!
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bigchassie
Comment: STEPHANIE>THANK YOU!!!
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TGen
Comment: Reds, please explain what's wrong with what Obama did in that race. The lady CHANGED HER MIND, then decided to run, THEN got illegitimate signatures and COULD NOT GET ENOUGH LEGIT signatures. What in the WORLD did Obama have to do with people not wanting to sign for her to run? It's HIS fault she didn't have enough support in her community? lol Your HATE is thick.
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bigchassie
Comment: BOOT> LOL!!! bless her heart.
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MelodyCool
Comment: BlkATLTop, NO I'm not a McCain supporter and don't care if folks take it that way since I'm voting for someone else...just to send a message. I believe black support for Obama will wane once the dust settles and folks see him for what he is. I would not have had a problem with his scolding of blacks if he balanced it and used different language. So I understand exactly how JJ feels. I hope Obama actually receives enough support from whites to the point that he does not need blacks period...then you'll see his true stripes. Good for ya!
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bigchassie
Comment: look....everybody has a choice in this election. if you don't like Obama, DON'T VOTE FOR HIM! PERIOD. YOU EITHER VOTE FOR MCCAIN, OR STAY AT HOME. THE CHOICE IS YOURS!...PERIOD.
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BlkATLTop
Comment: Ok Melody Cool. I hear you
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barnone
Comment: ish is being reported all n france. i turn on the news and here's a pic of JJ, anchorwoman reporting how civil rights activist JJ wants to castrate pres hopeful BO and accuses him of talking down to Black people.
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MelodyCool
Comment: Reds, please list the writer and date of that WSJ article because the link no longer works...not sure how old it is but I'd like to locate it just the same. Thanks.
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vroger2
Comment: MelodyCool... I agree that at times Obama's campaign does seem 'all about him.' But it's no different from any other political campaign. By their very nature, campaigns are all about the candidate -- HIS/HER position on the issues, what HE/SHE will do in office, why HE/SHE is the best candidate. Hillary's campaign was DEFINITELY all about her. (Well, and all about Bill, too. LOL!)
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katgrrrl
Comment: B00T: Tell yo niece YES HE CAN be President sans nuts! He'll be the first Black AND woman President of the United States! Top THAT, Oprah! <> Selina'84, you gettin' on my last nerve. <> PTown, I think another reason Obama may've "forgiven" Jesse is cos he knows too many people would be havin' a field day had he responded negatively and taken the divide-n-conquer bait.
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barnone
Comment: ok EURWEB what happened to the first half of my comment? anywho, as i previously wrote. OLIVIA> no the old heads, elders, whatever u want 2 term them don't need to go somewhere and sit down. but if u r going 2 impede progress than YES get the he!! out the way. come on now of all places...the lion's den. he couldn't have said that ish at starbucks, in the limo, on the elevator ride up?
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HarrisThomas
Comment: Reds and MelodyCool, you absolutely must bring a stronger case than those presented by the Wall Street Journal and/or L.A. Progressive links that don't have articles that can break the back of an O-BA-MA!! candidacy . . . . . you need to produce an incontrovertible smoking gun . . . . . . do what the repugs do: create fiction and heavily tout it as fact
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musbdherbs
Comment: Olivia/Tgen..Hmmm...1) People DID say that Wright was jealous of Obama after his NPC show. It was even said on this here board. 2)As Dyson stated on y'day, whenever we have a self-help convo w/"us" it always ends up being politicized by the MSM. Obama has had These "black pathology" convos in front of "us" but they are used by the media (and possibly himself slightly) to point the fingers only at us. Such as the case when the media decided (although untrue) that Father's Day was the 1st time he talked about personal responsibility. 3)Popeyes chicken? Again, that's a message ok for "us" to hear. Once it's played in the media..nother story. 4)I am not convinced that the speech WAS for yt folk as he could've saved condemning black fathers for another day. It was intended for the larger audience. But I don't think it makes much sense to say that "since we already know this, it's no point in talking about it."
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musbdherbs
Comment: Reds...you're sounding like one of those right-winger who start silly whisper campaigns about Obama "You hear he won't wear a flag pin...you heard he refuses to cover his chest when singing the national anthem...I heard he's a muslim...i heard his wife call yt folk whitey"....Come on...let's use a lil intellect here.
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fanteeking
Comment: BOOT!!! LMBAO!!!! Nut-less President. Bless your nieces heart!! LOL!!! Obama delivering his acceptance speech in Denver in falsetto!!!! LOL!!!
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bigchassie
Comment: FANKEEPING>LOL!!! I CAN'T TYPE FOR LAUGHING!!!
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Mas90
Comment: Selina'84.... if you post one more of those damn hook-up websites.. I'M GONNA CUT OFF YO NUTS! IF YOU'RE A GIRL, I'LL HACK THOSE OVARIES!
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bigchassie
Comment: MUSTHERBS>how you doin sweetie! *cyberhug*
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katgrrrl
Comment: Melody, really now... I respect your views n' all, but you seem to be tryin' a bit too hard -correct me if I'm wrong here- to turn those of us who've decided to back Obama against him. I KNOW homeboy's a POLITICIAN. From day one, I've said that. No, I don't think 'Bama's perfect. I don't like the way he distanced himself from Rev. Wright under pressure, but hey... He's a politician. That said, at the end of the day, for me, it's about who's the lesser evil. The answer for me is Obama. If YOU don't like him, cool beans! But why are you trying so hard to get those of us who will be supporting him off his bandwagon like McCain is really gonna do more for us?
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MsFresno
Comment: *uck Jessie Jackson
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gingerg
Comment: Jack White wrote an excellent peice for TheRoot.com on yesterday that summed up my thoughts on this situation. It is entitled "When The Man Is One Of Us."
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MelodyCool
Comment: katgrrrl, it's not about turning his sycophants against him...I'm merely voicing my opinion like everyone else. But I will be glad when it finally smacks you square in the face that Obama is not and does not consider himself a black man and that he has NO respect for rabid fans such as yourself. The more he proves he willing to hammer blacks...the more love he garners from whites. May they embrace him wholeheartedly...then he can really give you his arse to kiss...to their delight.
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gingerg
Comment: Why are the old heads showing out? Because they are filled with malice and envy. The biblical story of Kane and Abel illustrates how deadly envy can be, especially coming from one of your "brothers."
The New York Post has a story today about a young brother (scholar/athlete) who was scheduled to move away to attend college in a few months. He was killed by a shotgun blast to the chest by another brother who has reportedly held a grudge against him since high school. This kid's hopes, dreams, potential, etc. was snuffed out for nothing.
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MsFresno
Comment: there are sure some ignorant people in this world.
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dcdouglass01
Comment: Yes, of course there is some jealousy going on. Jesse has a huge ego, so there's no way jealousy can't play a role. But beyond the childishness Jesse displayed with the nuts comment, I can see his concern that Obama doesn't seem to acknowledge racism as a big enough player in the harm it has caused and continues to cause Black folk. The tactics have changed (as the comparison between Obama and Jackson/Sharpton indicate), but the struggle continues. I am an Obama supporter, by the way, and will remain so because he's the far better option when compared to McCain. But again (MelodyCool), Barack can't put out a list of bullet items of the things he'll be doing for Black people, and Black people only, and remain electable.
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gingerg
Comment: Melody, why did Obama marry a strong, beautiful. well educated black woman and father two lovely girls with her if he doesn't consider himself black?
Also, why did he go to work as a Commmunity Organizer on the south side of Chicago and serve as a civil rights attorney if he doesn't consider himself black?
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bigchassie
Comment: MSFRESNO>gurl you said it!
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Penelope
Comment: QUESTIONS: Why does Senator Obama have to justify is commitment to black folks? I mean, does anyone ever ask Senator McCain to do the same thing? I mean does he have to justify his commitment to white people? How come we don't ask him to justify HIS commitment to Black people? Or any other people for that matter? Why does it appear that the Rev JJ speaks for some mass of people who it seems are the African American citizens of the U.S.? I mean Jessie ain't said a whole lot about issues that concern me and I am AFrican American, but he clearly rarely has ever spoken on my behalf. I mean he is not my representative, and I certainly have not cast any ballot that would give him that privilege. (Or am I the only one who thinks this way?) So, the question is why is he continuously given some forumn to espouse his hatred? And for the McCain supporters, well, its a beautiful thing in this country that you have the ability to vote your conscience as I do. But, while everyone says what their 'issues' are with Obama, I guess I can't understand why after you have allowed this present administration to literally place millions for its citizens at risk while they have lined their own pockets and continuously looked the other way at what is happening in this country why you would criticize those of us who say, ENOUGH!!!! But I guess high gas, foreclosures, unemployment, dead and horribly mangled U.S. soldiers don't bother you. Oh I get it. Its all in my mind. I forget. I guess I should go get some medicine for my mental issues, but then again, my health insurance won't cover its costs.
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javone77
Comment: Mas90: ROFL don't hack her ovaries LOL
on another note, I agree that hell if black people don't need to be told to take care of there kids then these fools would be taking care of them now wouldn't they? I teach in a school and I am shocked everyday to see kids come to school in dirty clothes, uncombed hair, no homework...and yes these are BLACK CHILDREN! I grew up below the poverty line but one thing you could never say about me was that I was unkempt. My mom washed our clothes out in the sink with dish detergent and barettes were $3.00 for a bucket full. We had our hair combed and all of our homework done. We might not have known where our meal was coming from but we were NOT going to look like that. What is even worse is that wen I see these kids mom's...they have on business suits and a head full of weave while their baby looks a fool! Maybe he wouldn't have to out fools on blast if fools would do what they are supposed to. PERIOD!
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barnone
Comment: dcdouglass> "racism as a big enough player in the harm it has caused and continues to cause Black folk"...AND my question 2 that being that is the case y do black people continue 2 stay n amerikkka and put up with that ish? with all the talent, intellect and creativity black people have what the phucc do they need w/ ole' massa and his house. people reference MLK alot. but how many listen 2 his later speeches. the ones he made right b4 he was a.s.s.asinated? the i'm beginning 2 believe we r integrating n2 a burning house speech? if JJ was as down w/ MLK as he claims he would know this and would have been preaching a diff tune all these years.
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PRDC
Comment: Some of you are very insecure black people, looking to someone else to make things happen for you...start doing things on your own then you will see what life and living is about....
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bigchassie
Comment: JAVONNE/PENELOPE>TELL IT MY SISTAS!!! THAT'S RIGHT!!
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Penelope
Comment: Melody...Please clarify, you said you will vote for someone else rather than Obama just to send a message. Am I understanding you correctly? If yes, without me going through the board in case I miss it, is it your intent to vote for someone other than Senator Obama because you want to send a message? If yes, to what is the message, and who is its recipient?
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dcdouglass01
Comment: MelodyCool said: "But I will be glad when it finally smacks you square in the face that Obama is not and does not consider himself a black man and that he has NO respect for rabid fans such as yourself." Here's an assignment, MelodyCool---and I'm going to go all the way back to third grade on this one. The assignment is this: rewrite that sentence of yours 42 times and replace "Obama" with every man who's served as president of this country, starting with "George Washington" and ending with "George W. Bush." And while you're act it, stick "John McCain" in there. And all those snetences with all those white names in there will be true. Some more true than others, but all true. And with all that history, Obama's not a historical improvement? You've duped yourself.
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dmsr70
Comment: Yes Jesse F'ed up big time and I think it is a shame that one black man would down another black man. Did he like wake up and drink a big azz glass of haterade or what?!
On another note, why is everybody looking at Obama to be the almighty savior of our race? Last time I checked - it was President of the United States not President of the African American Race. I am a huge Obama supporter and I hope that the changes he will make will benefit everyone in this country - not just Our People. Yeah it may sound like just a dream and unrealistic but we need to start thinking outside the box. Obama is our catalyst, it is up to everyone else (myself included) to make an effort for change.
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Penelope
Comment: Also, I'd like to comment on this issue about what is going on in the Black community re wayward families and the like. That sh!t aint just in our community! It in every community. But it is amazing that the light gets shined so brightly on OUR so-called ills. I have a balance of friends in my life across all races. I see some ignorance in all of them, and more so in the European American community than any other! But we let the media portray us in the worse possible light. And then the media always treats us like is some big revelation when one of us does something, and then we ourselves pick it apart to degrade that person. The worse of this behavior is when we say somebody ain't black enough. By whose definition. See, we are doing exactly what THEY say we do. Tear each other down. I respect your right to vote whatever way you choose. I respect your right to not vote (although that kind of bothers me), but when all of this is based on stupidity, b/c someone ain't black enough is got to be the most ignorant iggerish sh!t I have ever heard. Wow, THEY do that enough for us, but then we BRING it too. This is how they did it: Rev Wright's behavior really means that Sen Obama is a racist! Yes, that's what THEY want us to believe. And here is another one. Sen Obama is an elitist because he graduated from college. I guess he should have went to Central State, but then again, that is a HBCU, and it would have made him too Black. Is it just me? Does anyone see the ignorance in all of this? We have got to do better people. I bet we still hung up on light eyes and skrait her.
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Mas90
Comment: Melody wants to vote for someone else just so Obama doesn't get her vote just in hopes that he is defended on election day. If she isn't for McCain, then how is voting for some other independent going to solve this countries problems? You vote for whom is better. I'm not crazy about Obama but I don't want McCain. I was for Edwards.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: MelodyCool, you said "I will be glad when it finally smacks you square in the face that Obama is not and does not consider himself a black man" . . . . . . if he ever says it, will you shut the fvck up on the issue or will you go to the next level of your insane negativities about the man?
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bigchassie
Comment: PRDC>That is so true.and let me piggyback on that one. we can't wait on Obama to do everything that needs to be done, we need to get up and help him with this. we got to demand change and make change happen. we have to think before we leap and know how to ask for guidance when we need it. to me, Obama instills that change can happen, if we want to happen. this man is not for just black people but for all people from every walk of life and the issues are not just black. we americans as a whole are suffering from the same things that PENELOPE stated: high gas, health care, unemployment, forclosure of our homes, high crime, you name it. we are ALL SUFFERING right now. but you have a man here that is willing to stand up and do something about getting us out of all this mess but he is going to need our help. we got to help him, help us. US meaning the UNITED STATES.
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bigchassie
Comment: DCDOUGLAS>that's right and remember, LINCOLN WANTED TO SEND US BACK TO AFRICA!
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gingerg
Comment: Is Cynthia McKinney an option for Melody?
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gingerg
Comment: Consider our history. Nothing changed for the better until people stood up, straightened their backs and declared that they were not going to take it anymore. That took a mighty people, not just one man or woman.
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javone77
Comment: Penelope: You are right that it is going on in other communities. But people can say what they want about hispanics...but those men hustle for their kids. I have dads who work 45 min away to take care of their kids. but there are some black fathers who do the same. however, every culture does have a bunch of fools that want to populate the nation and then get ghost.
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bigchassie
Comment: DMSR>thank you sweetie, you just added on to what i posted!
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BlkATLTop
Comment: Totally off the subject- just read that Bernice King and MLK III are suing Dexter King over issues relating to the King estate. I'm sure our esteemed journalists at EUR will cover this tomorrow.
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gingerg
Comment: As far as the state of our community, consider what Malcolm X once said - We used to be able to say what we wouldn't do. Now, any and everything goes. Some of us are just downright base in our personal conduct. True change begins with personal responsibility, common decency, education, goals and objectives and a real desire to advance and help others in the process.
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fanteeking
Comment: HEY FOLKS Stop spending so much mental and physical time dealing with MELODY COOL!!! If she wants to vote for McCain thatz HER bizness!! She only has ONE vote and for every MELODY COOL there are a thousand Fanteekings, MsBlakes, BigChassies, BOOTANE-BOOTUS, MOTHERSHIPS, TGens etc. She's enjoying all the attention being thrown her way and appears to be "Jessejackson-istic". As my Grandmama would say, "Leave her be!!!"
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bigchassie
Comment: WHAT DOES BARACK HAVE TO DO TO PROVE HE IS BLACK ENOUGH? EAT SOME GOTTDAYUM WATERMELLON AND CHICK WANGS? DAYUM!! THE BROTHA SAYS HE HAS EARTH WIND AND FIRE ON HIS IPOD!! LOL! GEEZ ENOUGH ALREADY!!!
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HarrisThomas
Comment: barnone, you posed a great question "that being that is the case y do black people continue 2 stay n amerikkka and put up with that ish?" . . . . . I stay in America because it's the home of my recent ancestors going back over 120 years and I stand on the shoulders of those ancestors to become the best me that I can be despite any disparity barriers . . . . . as an African-American female, I don't glamorize other countries whether those countries are in Africa, West Indies, the other Americas, Asia, or Europe . . . . I make my stand here and hope to be strong ancestoral energy for family who stand on my shoulders
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musbdherbs
Comment: Wassup chass!!!! Penelope...why does Obama has to justify his commitment to blacks?---The same reason he has to justify his commitment to Israel. ;;;If you believe that Jessie hasn't been speaking to your issues as a black american...you clearly haven't been paying attention...or least only to that the media wants you to pay attention to.:::I never heard Jessie espouse any hatred. Maybe a better question is why does he continue to have a platform to speak. My answer is that it's because the media allows only so many of us to speak at the same time. There is no shortage of people who can adequately speak to our issues just like Jessie can..if not better. They "choose" not to find another black person because they would rather convince you that netime Jackson is involved in some'n..he's blame yt folk...which is absolutely not true. We just are the gullible ones to believe it..each and every time. I will say this as well, the concept of "black enough" is sort of a misnomer. Maybe what it only means is how well do you relate to the concerns of black america. So maybe the phrasing is incorrectly overused in the same way "hate" is now. Is there a such thing as being "pro-israel enough"...of course there is.
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katgrrrl
Comment: Melody: I'll be a "rabid fan" if you'll admit you're ridin' McCain's nuts w/out a saddle, dear. And one more time for the cheap seats, is McCain really gonna do more for us? Is McCain gonna extend his hand for me to shake as opposed to his arse for me to smooch? Does McCain have an ounce of respect for any of US? C'mon girl. I'm willin' to hear you out, but you can't just bad mouth Obama. I'd like to hear WHY you're so pro McCain. Or maybe you're not voting for either one of 'em. I wasn't tryna attack you. Just wanted to hear another side; your side of the argument.
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Mas90
Comment: He married a black woman.... I SAY HE IS MORE THAN BLACK ENOUGH THERE. AND PROCREATED WITH HER TOO! THAT SAIDS A LOT FOR A MULATTO.
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javone77
Comment: fanteeking LOL I know that's right. I learned what was going on in that head a while back and I am one sista that refuses to waste good thought and energy dealing with it.
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bigchassie
Comment: I think somebody needs a real good "spooging" from a brotha. then they will be very, very happy!! lol!
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fanteeking
Comment: HarrisThomas: I still ain't forgot about the beautifully comical image that you posted months ago. ERRYtime, I see Cindy "Budweiser Billion" McCain on TV, I think about your moniker for her of "GERIATRIC BARBIE DOLL" I scream when I see her. Her skin looks doll-like plastic to me like if I put a match close to it it would melt!!LOL!! Me and my alcohol-loving pooch Ceazer still call Cindy GBD behind her back even though we love that BUDWEISER! LOL!!!!
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HarrisThomas
Comment: fanteeking, melody is alright: you know like that cousin in the basement or attic eating graham crackers while wearing cowboy boots and a dirty nightgown? we like melody because she's melody
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Penelope
Comment: It is just sad to me that there are some ignorant people who still do that Ain't Black Enough crap! Look in the mirror. What the heck is Black enough? Does Sen Obama need to eat watermelon and fried chicken, and have high blood pressure and the sugar? I mean what does he need to do to make me Black enough for your acceptance. How come McCain don't have to be Black enough? I guess I can assume he is White enough by somebody's standard, because he is never asked that question. So so very sad that this is so significant. All grounded in ignorance.
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kwrob
Comment: Speaking of Dr. King, this here is an example of the downfall of the civil rights movement. It's a sad, sad, day. It also shows that money is the root of all evil:
Martin Luther King's Bad Dream
Posted Jul 11th 2008 10:42AM by TMZ Staff
His dream was that one day his children would be judged by the content of their character. Now, two of Martin Luther King, Jr's children say the character of one of their siblings sucks.
Bernice King and Martin Luther King III are suing Dexter King, alleging he took "substantial funds" from the Estate of Coretta Scott King and put them in his personal piggy bank for his own use. They're crying fraud.
Bernice and Martin III have demanded a jury trial in Fulton County, Georgia.
Coretta died in 2006. The Kings had four children. Yolanda died last year. So the three surviving kids are fighting over money.
By the way, Bernice and Martin III are being repped by Johnny Cochran's law firm. The late J.C. was also one of the biggest civil rights forces in the U.S. of A.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: fantee, it really scares me that a geriatric Barbie and her geriatric, POW-post traumatic stress disorder Ken could be the next residents in the White House
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Mas90
Comment: You know some people don't like to see other blacks progress, prosper, make it big, highly successful in careers, make big money, etc. Meloday jealous like Jessie?
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katgrrrl
Comment: *with head down in shame* Fanteeking n' Javone, y'all are right. Melody, God bless you. You've got every right to cast your vote for whomever you choose. Peace, Love and Hairgrease, my sister. Now I'm gonna go eat my lunch n' come back n' chat with the un-duped! See y'all in a minute!
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HarrisThomas
Comment: when are those King children going to get real jobs?
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bigchassie
Comment: FANKEEPING/HARRISTOM>LOL! "geriactric barbie doll!" hillarious. i agree with yall on that but i don't mess with her all that much. especially after she had a stroke. didn't she had cancer or something? i knew it was something serious. but, i'm curious. is she older than McCain?
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fanteeking
Comment: Mas90: There is an old white folks sentimental song that goes, "I wanna girl, just like the girl that married dear old dad". That being said, Obama coulda married Becky or a Halle Berry or Vanessa Williams looking Black lady and nuthin' woulda been said. But, his Kenyan Africaness exploded in his soul and he married a dark skin and (not BUT) BEAUTIFUL, BRILLIANT, EDUCATED African Queen, Michelle and I'm so proud. He's from the PROUD LUO people of Kenya that birthed the GREAT AND CORAGEOUS ODINGA ODINGA. If he ain't BLACK then Popeye is a sissy and George Dubya is a phi beta kappa scholar!!!!
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Penelope
Comment: musbdherbs...I feel you on the Rev JJ, but you echo my point. There are others out there who are better representatives, but yet Rev JJ is continually relied on as the so-called voice of the AFrican American. We can do better. And whether Rev JJ had a slip of a 'hot mike moment' the fact that he said something that was so vile, bothers me. As I said yesterday...Black men were castrated by whites to reduce them as men. For Rev JJ to go there just reinforces nothing but negativity for me. But I will stand by my statement/question: Why does Obama have to justify hisself to Black people but McCain does not? Is McCain given a pass? Is he not required to be committed to Black people? I'm just saying use the same measure for each.
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kwrob
Comment: Obama is getting it from all sides, whether it's White people, our people, and now Arab Muslims, who claim he is not inclusive enough for them. There was an Arab Muslim on Tom Joyner this week who said that in Obama's denial of being Muslim he didn't embrace Muslims by saying something like "even though I'm not a Muslim, there is nothing wrong with being Muslim". He simply can't win with people in this country.
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Calidee
Comment: DON'T TAKE THE BAIT AND DRINK THE KOOL AID BLACK PEOPLE !!! The divide and conquer strategy will undermine our success as a people.
There really is no need for us to have major conflicts between the "old guard" and the "new guard" Times have changed and of course that means that strategies have to change as well. With this change there is going to be some growing pains and conflict. But that doesn't mean we should tell the "old guards" to sit their azzes down. They have worked too hard to help us get to where we are today for us to disrespect them by throwing them under the bus. This doesn't mean we can't disagree with them but we certainly should not disregard them. We still need the "old guards" and people who think like them. Obama is not in a position to only deal with "Black" issues. That is not what he is suppose to do. As President he will have to be more inclusive and open to compromise. He has to do what is best for America. However, there has to be people who are willing to look out for the best interest of Black people. Sometimes this will mean going against Obama real hard. We will still love and respect the man, but we have to hold him accountable. Remember one day Obama will be a member of the "old guard".
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bigchassie
Comment: MAS90>a good "spooging" beats frustration everytime.
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: MUSHERB>hi baby! *another cyberhug*
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HarrisThomas
Comment: Amen, musb for saying "My answer is that it's because the media allows only so many of us to speak at the same time. There is no shortage of people who can adequately speak to our issues just like Jessie can"
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bigchassie
Comment: KWROB>yeah, i heard that on the radio too. this too shall pass.
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kwrob
Comment: I don't know about the boys, but Bernice actually does have a job as a minister under Bishop Eddie Long.
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Mas90
Comment: Bigchassie... Melody needs a good Mandingo GANGBANG! LOL!
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CRENEEJ
Comment: OMG, OLIVIA, bravo girl bravo!!!!! *clappin hands* now i'll continue to read past your post
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lovebites
Comment: i think it is a shame that people Like JJ who have 2 kids out of wedlock act all uppity and say he is doing gods work and then say Obama needs his balls cut off. Between him and rev Wright. I don't know who is worst. WE NEED TO GET IT TOGETHER IF WE WANT TO WIN THE WHITE HOUSE. YT Republicans are counting on us being divided so they can win. JJ sit down, shut up, and drink something.
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kwrob
Comment: In the words of Richard Pryor via Eddie Murphy's "Raw", J.J. needs to go with Bill, have a Coke and a Smile and shut the "F" up.
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Reds
Comment: MelodyCool, this is the link again http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB120873956522230 099.htm. Just make sure there are no spaces.
TGen, there is nothing wrong when Obama did what he did, but I don’t remember us being so gracious when Karl Rove and the Republicans employed the same tactics. HarrisThomas, don’t get it twisted. We are not trying to “break the back of an O-BA-MA!! Candidacy”. We recognize the ”symbolism” of a black man being president and the possible implications for the black state of mind after all that we have been through in this country and where we still need to go. But the way we are treating a politician who happens to be black and is so willing to trample over another black person to get where is going…. Com'on man, Obama doesn’t deserve that much credit. We have survived and thrived through so many adversaries to make this politician look like such a Messiah, our last great hope.
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blackdragon
Comment: There's something I want to get off my chest. I don't know about you, but I'm sick and tired of the idea of black people needing one leader or one voice to speak for all of us. That's bullsh*t. We don't need one leader. We are our own leaders. We have our own minds and we can speak without assistance. Nobody is my leader and nobody speaks for me. I am my own leader and I speak for myself. We're not monolithic. Now, as for the rappers, if they really cared, they wouldn't be making music about guns, gangbanging, selling drugs, having sex with multiple women, etc. If they cared, they would make music that's positive, not negative with racial slurs. These rappers would not promote the "Stop Snitching" bullsh*t, if they cared. These rappers are not leaders. They don't care about blacks in the so-called "hood." They live in mansion and penthouse apartments that cost millions of dollars, for crying out loud. Why do some blacks, particularly those in my generation, look to these people as leaders? It's crazy. Just like Jesse Jackson, these people aren't changing anybody's lives. It's absolutely ridiculous. As for Jesse Jackson's comment, I think he's jealous of Barack Obama. However, I don't think Barack Obama will change anybody's lives. The only people that can change the people's lives are the people themselves. Stop looking to others, especially these plantation-minded rappers like Nas, to change your lives and be your leaders. That power, that ability, is yours.
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Penelope
Comment: I dunno, but I have this image of some GOP strategist saying, 'don't worry about Sen Obama. His own will destroy his chances for victory. Thats what they do? They are far too divided for him to be a real threat to our agenda. Heck they even give us sound bites and video clips for the taking. Imagine how much money we can save in making our own commercial just by quoting his people. This election is in the bag for us. We dont have to do a thing. The Blacks will do it for us."
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kwrob
Comment: blackdragon,
Agreed.
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fanteeking
Comment: CRENEEJ: Where u bin with a hearty cyberhug and smooch. Don't forget we friends now and you WHOLEHEARTEDLY support Obama now. We gonna let bygones be bygones. Right? LOL!!!
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Penelope
Comment: Ooooh Reds, you know you on point. Didn't Karl Rove just ignore his supeona to testify yesterday? These people think they don't have to respond to the concerns of the American people, so I just can't see doing more of the same for another 4 to 8 years.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: calidee, you say "that doesn't mean we should tell the "old guards" to sit their azzes down. They have worked too hard to help us get to where we are today for us to disrespect them by throwing them under the bus." . . . . and I respond: there are many people ready to go to the next level because of old guard successes - why can't the old guard let them go forward in positivity? . . . . . nobody has throw anybody under anything
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MomaKnowz
Comment: @Olivia, Grace, Southernbelle - Cosign!!!
While I like to THINK that because a person who is Black in this country has the same agenda that I have for uplifting our people, that isn't always the case.
In Obama's case, he has avoided appearing to "favor" us, to court the white vote. So, I don't know where he stands on issues that concern us. I know where he stands on healthcare. I THINK I know where he stands on the war...but if he wants to negotiate with Terrorists, he may be a little too soft. I know where he stands on border patrol for Mexicans. I don't know WHERE he stands on issues facing Black people.
I could not, for example just take at face value that because Clarence Thomas is Black, that he cares about issues facing Black People.
I am willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt. But I am not sure that once he enters the White House that he will SUDDENLY become focused in matters that affect us - to the exclusion of his white constituents.
In other words, if there comes an issue that is totally about us like the killing epidemic in our neighborhoods - would he DO anything to help us to remedy this issue? In a city where there are Black Contractors and White Contractors, Blacks get a disproportionately lower number of the job bids, even though the job sites are in the Black Community! Will he pass laws to see to it that there is fair treatment?
I am not excited about simply having a Black man in the White House if it won't advance the concerns of our people. But I am willing to give him the same chance that I've given other politicians...I am still somewhat hopeful.
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Penelope
Comment: And if the old guard didn't move out, then what happens to the young ones? We are nothing but a point in a process. Yes, God called the old because they are wise, but he called the young because they are strong. With guidance, perhaps it is time to let the strong move us forward. So many people need a title. We know Rev JJ's legacy, but what do most people discuss about him? The babies he had outside of his marriage. So, its time to step aside. But like Sen Obama, I'm sure whomever that individual may be will catch hell from these same old heads who refuse to move on. Circle of life.
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yelleyw
Comment: I am so sick of people apologizing because they get caught. And is Jesse Jackson even relevant anymore? What has he accomplished recently other than making a mockery of himself as a minister and old man? Barack is not a “black folks” candidate and if he makes the rest of country think he is, he can forget the Presidency. As Black people, we all have “take one for the team” at times in order to get where you need to be. Why alienate white people and never get the opportunity to lead? Barack knows he’s black, and he doesn’t have to ignore subject-verb agreement to prove it. He is a Harvard educated attorney and does not need to dumb down his campaign so that we can understand. What kind of implication is that to make anyway? Why do Black people question if he’s black enough anyway? He doesn’t have to be a high school drop out with 3 baby mamas to be black. I appreciate what he’s doing for the image of Black men in America and I’m so proud of him, I pray he wins in November because the policies he plans to put forth will benefit ALL Americans, because in the long run, we are all in this together. Black people need to stop being so hateful too. We recognize that racism is real and that there is a battle going on, but who is going to put their gun down first? The last thing we need is washed-up, non-effective, fake ministers trying to tear him down. Jesse needs to sit down!
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kwrob
Comment: This situation is similar to Bret Favre retiring or unretiring, trying to decide if he wants to come back or not, rather than allow the new QB and the team to just move on without him. Jesse is Bret Favre in all of this.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: Reds, if we say, OK, the O-BA-MA!! campaign should not have challenged the signatures on the opponent's petitions, how would it have come to light that the opponent tried to win with bogus signatures? . . . . . you also credit O-BA-MA!! for the opponents who had messy divorce proceedings exposed by newspapers: why? you have to show us incontrovertibly that O-BA-MA!! people made the newspapers report the unfortunate information . . . . you are among a group of people who sarcastically refer to O-BA-MA!! as a savior or Messiah, even Hillary mocked him as such and all of you make those messianic remarks because of where you come from in spirit, not because those remarks are true
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bigchassie
Comment: THANK YOU BLACKDRAGON FOR THAT ON THE SPOT REPORT!
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TGen
Comment: HT: "nobody has throw anybody under anything" THANK YOU! The way some people are acting, you'd think BO said something derogatory about JJ (or anyone for that matter), but he hasn't, and no one else did either! So this is NOT a fight--it was a one-sided attack, period. Folks need to hold the ATTACKER accountable.
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bigchassie
Comment: MAS90>ain't nothing like a good healthy BANG BANG! LOL! very good for pent up frustration.
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Penelope
Comment: Is it reasonable to think that Obama is courting White voters because they tend to vote in larger numbers, and African Americans don't? If the goal is to win, don't you need to convince people to get on your side?
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musbdherbs
Comment: Jessie is relied on as the voice because again...the media only allows us to have so many. I would be interested to see how many black commentators are still making the rounds after this election ends. What Jessie said was bad..but people on this board say things much worse about each other. Yet, we continue (some of us) to get along like it didn't happen. I as.sume that is what Obama will do. Jessie's comments made me laugh more than nething. I thought it was funny..especially when he "motioned" cutting them nutz off...lol. McCain is not required to do nething. He's yt..just like Hellary is. Is it fair that Obama's blackness is questioned? No. It's also not fair that his blackness is questioned as too much. Yt folk don't want him to be too black. Too black? Too black meaning too much like a black person who would make them feel uncomfortable. One who would try to remind them of their histories. Yes we know Jessie's legacy. Even knowing it doesn't stop us from talking about his indiscretions. There is no reason that if Jessie appears on TV talking about some'n...yt AND black folk bring up hymietown. Same w/Jackson. Towanna Brawley was over 20 years ago. I bet you ain't heard nothing in the past 30-40 years about the indiscretions of known KKK US senator Robert Byrd. Why? Cuz yt folk decided that we shouldn't.
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TGen
Comment: P.S. Olivia's 1st post reminds me of Ms_Svelte's yesterday. It's very well-thought out, sounds good, has a lot of good soundbites, but the SUBSTANCE ie the FACTS are not solid. She makes a lot of azzumptions and generalizations, ie using the words "always" but provides no proof. People co-sign out of emotion but fail to vet her claims. It's a shame some of us are so easy. *Sigh*
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Penelope
Comment: Blackdriagon ><! But then again, I think R-Kelly's trial and verdict got more discussion in some parts of our community than the fact that gas is $4.00 at least. Is it because we don't care? Is it because we don't have cars? Did the foreclosure crisis become a crisis when Whites started losing their homes, despite the fact that home ownership by Black Americans is lower than any other minority group?
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HarrisThomas
Comment: MomaKnowz, your post speaks to the killing epidemic in our AA neighborhoods as well as the absense of minority contracts in AA neighborhood: what are your local politicians doing about those issues, right now, today? . . . . . with regard to murder in DC where I live, the mayor is under attack by the court system because ACLU and other like-minded people didnot like it when the mayor had DCPD put a neighborhood on lockdown after numerous gun murders in the span of less than a week . . . . . are you saying that Dubya as president ought to have stepped in and that he should be doing something about those gun murders across the country in cities like DC and Philly or are you thinking that Dubya doesn't care and a black president just ought to care and do something about black people killing black people? . . . . . the president is supposed to solve our problems or do we solve our problems with help from transparency in government?
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blackdragon
Comment: Yelleyw, what about white people who are so hateful? Last time I checked, blacks are not the only ones that can be bitter and hateful. What an idiot you are. And how do you know Barack Obama's policies will be beneficial? That's an opinion, not a fact. If you want to be an idiot and rely on a stranger to help you, fine. I'm not relying on him or anybody else to help me. I very good at helping myself.
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Penelope
Comment: Well then, who is culpable, the fact that the media only lets one Black person speak for Blacks, or that Blacks allow the media to do it? See, this is where parity comes in to play! We as a community perhaps need to start with our media and let them know this ain't right. As a matter of fact, it seems even racist, because Whites certainly have more reps in the media than we do.
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bigchassie
Comment: HARRISTHOMAS>that is what i say too. the "old guard" is not going to be here forever, somebody else is gonna have to continue the fight and step up to the plate. but in all generality, it's up to all of us to step up to the plate.
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MelodyCool
Comment: gingerg ===>Is Cynthia McKinney an option for Melody?<==== Dayum skippy! Bingo!
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HarrisThomas
Comment: in Philadelphia, the O-BA-MA!! campaign refused to distribute walk-around money that the ministers and activists were used to getting and the result was that not as many blacks voted as was expected: so, do blacks need to be paid to vote? or the ministers/activists need to be paid to encourage people to vote?. . . . . Name: Penelope Comment: Is it reasonable to think that Obama is courting White voters because they tend to vote in larger numbers, and African Americans don't? If the goal is to win, don't you need to convince people to get on your side?
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Name:
Olivia
Comment: "azzumptions"....yeah P.S...that sounds..real...Unemotional
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Name:
HarrisThomas
Comment: standing cyber-ovation! . . . . . Name: Penelope Comment: Well then, who is culpable, the fact that the media only lets one Black person speak for Blacks, or that Blacks allow the media to do it? See, this is where parity comes in to play! We as a community perhaps need to start with our media and let them know this ain't right. As a matter of fact, it seems even racist, because Whites certainly have more reps in the media than we do.
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Name:
HarrisThomas
Comment: cyber-waving at chassie!
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: Reds, I posted that link into a Word document to check for spaces and still didn't work. Please list name of writer and hopefully I'll find it that way through a google search. Thanks.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Blackdragon..there you go being fascinated w/rappers again! Unless you are independently wealthy, you actually do rely on somebody else to help you. I understand you are young. But, you really twist too many messages into one in your effort to prove that you are an independent-minded, progressive man. The gov't DOES play a role in our lives..despite your desire to convince yourself otherwise. STFD negro! TGEN, it is a fight. It's a perceived fight between the new guard vs. the old. Elect Obama as Jackson/Sharpton's replacement..deeming them and what they stand for as irrelevant. Penelope..that may or not be true. You hear people say that black folks don't vote in large numbers. ARe we not voting in numbers consistent w/our population or are we not voting in numbers consistent w/yt folk. If it's the latter, of course we vote in smaller numbers. Also, we should be mindful of what we accept from the media. Yes, Obama ultimately needs to the yt vote to win. However, he would not...in no way..be the democratic nominee HAD IT NOT been for black folk. Apparently, black people, despite falsehoods, can turn an election. Let's not continue to devalue ourselves.
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Name:
dcdouglass01
Comment: "when are those King children going to get real jobs?" HarrisThomas, I think they thought being King's children was enough. That they think their daddy died and left them enough to just chill for the rest of their lives. This isn't a suprise, considering how they've been trying to figure out how to cash in on MLK, Jr. all their adult lives. Sad.
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: YELLY>*applause* right on gurl!!!
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Name:
yelleyw
Comment: Blackdragon>> I'm not talking about yt people I know very well how hateful they can be I'm talking about the subject at hand which is bitter azz Jesse Jackson. And yes I think BO policies are beneficial that is MY opinion. I don't see anywhere in my post where I asked for a hand out. If you don't like what I have to post you can drink a tall glass of STFU because I stand by it.
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MelodyCool
Comment: musbdherbs ====>The same reason he has to justify his commitment to Israel. <====== AND for the same reason he justified his commitment to Puerto Ricans. Blacks are the only demographic supporting him overwhelming but do not expect the same treatment Obama readily doles out to others.
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Mas90
Comment: Re: KARL ROWE, I don't recall any black support aganist Karl Rowe getting gay marriage on many state ballots for the 2004 election which was only a device to get religious people to the polls cause some can't stands other sexual orientation. People fell for the act too! My ture feeling is Rowe is gay himself. Fat fvcker!
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: HARRISTOMAS>*sending him a cyberkiss* hayyyy baby!
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Penelope..it's both. The media only allows so many of us. We don't challenge them enough. When we do..it's usually forgotten. After IMUS, there was an all-out call for more black representation in the media. That brought us the Roland Martins, Johnathan Capehearts, Michelle Bernards..and other occassional black pundits. We have yet to see a black person as the host of his/her own major news show. Also, we have a love/hate relationship w/Jackson and 'nem. When they show up..we say they're grandstanding. When they don't show up...we ask "now where's jessie and al on this."
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MelodyCool
Comment: kwrob, it's a shame Dexter is so greedy. I heard he's into white women so maybe he had to fill their coffers. I believe Bernice and MLK III were left with no other choice and I'm sure they must have tried to get Dexter to see the error of his ways.
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Name:
HarrisThomas
Comment: bigchassie, I'm not a guy
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Name:
LawdHvMrcy
Comment: Some of yall fools make Uncle Ruckus (no relation) proud!
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Name:
katgrrrl
Comment: HarrisThomas comment! "melody is alright: you know like that cousin in the basement or attic eating graham crackers while wearing cowboy boots and a dirty nightgown? we like melody because she's melody" ROTFLMAOOOOOOOOOO!
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Name:
MelodyCool
Comment: Reds, I finally got the article and will reading during lunch.
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Name:
Penelope
Comment: In 2004, Black folks couldn't get running water!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- Residents of a mostly black neighborhood in rural Ohio were awarded nearly $11 million Thursday by a federal jury that found local authorities denied them public water service for decades out of racial discrimination. Each of the 67 plaintiffs was awarded $15,000 to $300,000, depending on how long they had lived in the Coal Run neighborhood, about 5 miles east of Zanesville in Muskingum County in east-central Ohio. The money covers both monetary losses and the residents' pain and suffering between 1956, when water lines were first laid in the area, and 2003, when Coal Run got public water. The lawsuit was filed in 2003 after the Ohio Civil Rights Commission concluded the residents were victims of discrimination. The city, county and East Muskingum Water Authority all denied it and noted that many residents in the lightly populated county don't have public water. Coal Run residents either paid to have wells dug, hauled water for cisterns or collected rain water so they could drink, cook and bathe. "As a child, I thought it was normal because everyone done it in my neighborhood," said one of the plaintiffs, Cynthia Hale Hairston, 47. "But I realized as an adult it was wrong." Colfax described the verdict as unique among civil rights cases nationally, both in the nature of the ruling and the size of the award. The jury in U.S. District Court found that failing to provide water service to the residents violated state and federal civil rights laws. The lawsuit was not a class-action. Colfax said 25 to 30 families live in Coal Run now. For rest of story, http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/11/civil.rights.water.ap /index.html
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Name:
CRENEEJ
Comment: lol, hey FANTEE, i've been busy working and coaching little league... umm, and yes i do support but i have a lot of respect for JJ. i don't care that he had a baby out of wedlock cuz i did too. i went on to marry my hubby/son's father. i listen to JJ on sunday mornings and he has been very respectful of BO, but he has also been trying to push this Haiti food crisis as well. that's why i respect him. I think NAS needs to STFU, and figure out what kind of message he wants to put out there.
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Name:
TGen
Comment: Olivia: "azzumptions"....yeah P.S...that sounds..real...Unemotional" Not sure I follow. If you'd give proof that BO "always" condemns "Black pathology" (whatever the heck that is, lol), that'd be great. If you could also give names/examples of people saying Rev Wright was "jealous" of BO, that'd be great too. If you could also explain how promoting healthy eating is NOT a part a public policy, I'd appreciate that as well. Oh, and if you would show where anyone EVER said BO wasn't a "politician," that'd be wonderful as well. I'll await your response for the next few moments. Gracias!
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DOne
Comment: This is just another example of the media making a big deal out of a non-issue and everyone just jumps right on board. It's unfortunate that the mic was on, but politicans, community activists, etc., say not so nice things about each other all the time behind closed doors, when if they are friends or support each other. People are not going to agree on every issue and sometimes out of anger or frustration will say in appropriate things. Do you really thing Al have never said anything about Jesse and viceversa. Do you really think Obama have never said anything about any of his democratic colleagues out of anger. On a more personal note, how many of us have said something that we wouldn't won't captured on tape about a coworker, colleague, or love one.
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CRENEEJ
Comment: MAS, i think you're right about that. there wasn't a lot of support for gay marriage and there still isn't. i don't know why that fear drove people to vote the way they did. one of my best friends is gay and he and his man had a union ceremony. my friend has taken care of his husband physically now for over 2 years when his partner was diagnosed with vertigo and other health problems. he has also helped to keep his business afloat. he did more for this man than his own kids did. i worry for him b/c i have a feeling the kids will try to cheat him if/when their father dies.
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bigchassie
Comment: HARRISTHOMAS>okay i forgot. make that a "sistercyberkiss" lol!
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dcdouglass01
Comment: "...kwrob, it's a shame Dexter is so greedy. I heard he's into white women so maybe he had to fill their coffers...." Yes! Finally a comment by MelodyCool concerning white women. That has made my day, so I am audi. See you next week, board!
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Reds
Comment: Harris Thomas, they were not bogus signatures. They were challenged based on technicalities. “If names were printed instead of signed in cursive writing, they were declared invalid. If signatures were good but the person gathering the signatures wasn't properly registered, those petitions also were thrown out.” Get the details at http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/29/obamas.first.ca mpaign/ As Gha-is Askia another of his opponent said “It wasn't honorable, I wouldn't have done it."
"It's not the tactics of 'let's all people come together and put your best ideas forward and the best ideas win,' " Kass said. ….There are those who think that registering people to vote and getting them involved in politics and then using this tactic in terms of denying Alice Palmer the right to compete, that these things are inconsistent. And guess what? They are. They are inconsistent. But that's the politics he (Obama) plays."
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CRENEEJ
Comment: wow DOne, never thought of it that way. excellent point!!!! i said yesterday that jesse shouldn't have said it where he did, but i don't have a problem w/ him saying it.... just shoulda changed the location...
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gingerg
Comment: The Atlanta Journal Constitution is going to be all over the King "children" for this. Their parents would roll over in their graves if they knew this mess was going on. Dr. King would be so ashamed of them. This is a disgrace.
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ELSBABY
Comment: Hey All,
Someone please school me. I keep reading posts that Barack keeps to talking down to blacks but the only reference is to one Father's Day speech. How many times has he made reference to down-talking blacks? I am trying to figure out how someone can be called elitist when, yes he graduated from one of the most "prestigous" colleges in the US when he could have hi-tailed it to the burbs like our good brother *sarcasm* Clarence Thomas, he went to Chicago, attended one of the blackest churches in the neighborhood and then married a black woman. I don't really understand why people say he is downing us. Would have been better if Bill Clinton who many cloned as the 1st black President stepped up in MLK's church and told us to get it together. The truth hurts to hear it but it is the truth. I know most say that is the platform he used to do it (in front of the cameras); but hell last time I checked Obama didn't have my cousins cell phone number to call him and tell him to get off his arse. As for blacks being the majority in supporting him, I remember when he first started I could find one black in my office that actually thought he had a chance and so they were going for Clinton. But I won't be as narrow-minded I understand the world is much bigger than my block and I can't say that what goes on my office represents the world. But he!! Majic was on TV saying we weren't ready for a brother just yet. I won't get started on Uncle Bob Johnson. As for JJ, don't know why he used the phrase he did and what standards he upholds as a reverend, pastor or whatever to make him feel that is the best way to handle the situation. But I would like to know where his church is and if I am late tithing will they come and shank a sista? Sarcasm aside I gotta go, if someone has an answer to my first question please let me know, it is always good to be informed.
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gingerg
Comment: Did Mama King favor Dexter because he's lighter? Also, does anyone else find Yolanda's untimely passing, during a meeting with Dexter, suspect?
The brother has always struck me as self-absorbed and shady. Isn't he trying to become an actor or something?
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Mas90
Comment: CRENEEJ... that's real sad. Happy to see the significant other setup where the other lacked. Kids maybe bitter/embarassed to have gay father and will act out. Hope for the best.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: PENELOPE and MUSBDHERBS, MSM is owned by multi-national corporations who look primarily to the profit line as opposed to looking to on-air personalities and accurate presentation of news . . . . for example, Fixed News is extremely popular because its infotainment reaches down to the lowest common demoninators in the entire population and the on-air personalities deliver the content in the prescribed manner or get booted . . . . . another example is Bob Johnson when he owned BET - he went really low with his programming content, made huge bundles of money, and booted everybody who did not deliver content as prescribed
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bigchassie
Comment: *give CREENJ a cybersisterhug* hey sweetiepoo! happy friday. DONE>JJ just got caught saying the wrong thing in the wrong place. he should have known better. and he has been playing the media game for a long time. he should know how they do. they will catch you any way they can and if you slip up and they catch you in your mess they gonna run with it. JJ got caught and the media had him for dessert.
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TGen
Comment: Reds, please spare us with that b.s. about that race in Chicago. Obama did NOT "deny" that lady her right to compete. He played hardball yes, but he did not do anything illegal. He did not OWE her anything. She CHOSE to try to compete without the required amount of signatures, she underestimated her opponent, thought she would get a free ride (for what purpose I don't know), and she lost, plain and damn simple. You remind me of the Hillary supporters who blame Obama for winning! lol No matter that he played by the rules, no matter that NOTHING illegal was done. Just angry because they were out-competed. Stop b*tchin about that bullsh*t. If you have something substantive to condemn BO for, then stick to that. But all that damn whining about that silly mess should be beneath you. Damn, this "blame Obama because he's good at what he does" ish is gettin real old.
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musbdherbs
Comment: CRENEE...I don't have a problem w/Jessie either. DOne..I'm glad u get it cuz most of us..especially on y'day didn't. You repeated much of what I said on y'day about how this isn't a big deal and people say shyt all the time. Hell, if it was made public the stuff people ON THIS BOARD say about me, it would look/sound just as ugly. I say so what. Erbody ain't got to like you. This is all media baiting. When Cheney told Sen. Leahy to go fk himself, no one said he was jealous. No one said he needed to sit down. and MOST IMPORTANT, no one said that there was a fight in white america. ESLBABY..Jessie made a comment about obama "talking down to black people w/this faith based...." and that's where the firestorm started. Nobody knows the context, the actual statements he was referring to or any of that...just the 10 second clip.
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TGen
Comment: Elsbaby, GREAT post. And the answer to your question is no, people are just focusing on that one speech and deciding to make generalizations. That is what's so dang frustrating.
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Olivia
Comment: TGen: Nothing is wrong with anything I said, you my not like it, but nothing is wrong with it. You should have picked up some opt-eds on Wright (Bob Herbert, Huffington post and just about every black and white political commentator on CNN, MSNBC, Fox, ABC, black blogs called him jealous. Don’t see how you missed that…if you watched some coverage of Rev. Wright you would have found the word “jealous” attached. …oh yeah add Cornel West to the list for simply saying Obama should have attended MLK 40th anniversary in Memphis. Politicians love to use the “black morality crusade” to win favor with white voters and Obama is not an exception to the rule.
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Olivia
Comment: Part: II
I did not know there was an epidemic of black parents feeding black kids Popeye’s chicken for breakfast, you call that health advice? I guess when Reagan said to inner city kids ketchup is a vegetable, that’s an act of love too? Add on, telling black people not to scapegoat illegal immigrants in the Texas debate? So you missed his Cousin Pookie who keeps coming up in his speeches, or his specific chastising of BLACK YOUTH. For example in a speech in Iowa Nov. 2007:
“One woman lamented how some inner-city kids don't know how to dress for a job interview.” Pull up your pants!" Obama interjected, as the crowd laughed. "Pull up your pants!”
Obama on inner city youth:
“You've got people coming in, heads hanging down, hat cocked. They're mumbling. [Obama mutters a few nonsensical words.] You can't understand what they're saying. The employer asks them to do something and they've got an attitude. Why do I got to do it? Why didn't you ask Pookie to do it? They come in late. The employer says, why are you late? I don't know."
The crowd laughed and cheered as Obama spoke.
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Olivia
Comment: **** Had to Post in Parts*****
This sounds like a presidential platform to you? Obama's cartoonish description was very glib, inappropriate, and demeaning. Surely, he does not believe that the reason inner-city kids are not getting jobs is their attire. What executive order will he sign as President? Pull up your pants… His chiding of black folks is a signal to the dominant society that he has little sympathy for the irresponsibility and victim-identity that characterizes the black community in the white dominant imagination. His “tough Love” is a political tool ( used by many…..check past presidential elections) to send a message to his more conservative critics as having the courage to place blame for social ills where it belongs, at the feet of the immoral individual. All the while, he reinforces unhealthy stereotypes and fails to positively affirm the majority of African American people are good hard working folks who are concerned and committed to the raising of their children and not on Popeye’s chickens. I have seen some say on more than one than one occasion Obama is running for President of America and WE (blacks) should not expect him to put our wants above the country. If this is true, why single one group out of the population for a moral lecture. R.. Our problems more important than the rest of the country? In West Virginia more than half can't read and 6 out of 10 are on welfare. He needs to go there and tell those people to get off their butts, put down the moonshine and get an education because they are bringing down our ability to compete globally, right? After that go to Boston and tell those teenage white girls and white boys to stop having all those out of wedlock babes! OWW birth rate climbed 3% for white teens in 2007! Don’t forget to run by Jamie Lynn Spears house and tell her she’s a role model for white girls. Don’t forget, he running for President for ALL the people, right? I would rather here about why a changed from race base Affirmative Action to class base, now that is a black policy discussion, not chicken, not Pookie. I sorry I don’t think it’s a GOOD thing for politicians to be moral advisors.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: Reds? whenever people go out to collection signatures for petitions they should be trained in aspects of the process that will help the overall effort including getting signatures that stand up to challenges . . . . . what CNN and you are calling "technicalities" would not have gotten the challenged sigatures tossed if everything about them was CORRECT . . . . . when we do serious business, we need to come CORRECT or don't bother because our efforts are minutely dissected under microscopes
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HarrisThomas
Comment: chassie, I'm not offended . . . . keep on sharing the joy!
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lovebites
Comment: musbdherbs I agree with you But why are we as a nation of Black warriors always trying to put each other down and cut each other out of the pot of gold? Because we are greedy people. Slavery has not humbled us it as only made us act like fools. The old and the new.
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bigchassie
Comment: HARRISTHOMAS>thank you sweetie. *cybersisterhug*
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write2live32
Comment: Oooh Red how scary that Obama! He challenged signatures on an opponent's petition. That's real dirty....Not! If that's the best you can do, that's pretty sad. I bet all of his signatures were legit. Why shouldn't his opponent's be?
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write2live32
Comment: And another thing. Obama was invited to a church on FATHER'S DAY to give a speech about fatherhood. His experience includes being abandoned by his father. It shaped him and made him do something differently for his children. What's wrong with sharing that message and discussing the damage not having a father can do? I think black folks can handle being talked to like adults. We don't have to be coddled at every turn. Put your big girl panties and big boy boxers on as the saying goes.
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bigchassie
Comment: you know, he said this was not going to be an easy campagin. there are going to be people that are for him and then there are people that are not for him. we all have a choice. all i know i'm tired of having a monthly grocery bill over 200 dollars due to the high gas prices the grocery delivery trucks has to deal with when they deliver to the major supermarkets. seeing so many houses in foreclosure all over the ATL and other places. and having to pay a higher co-pay when seeing the doctor who gives you a prescription that is gonna cost more if you can't afford health insurance. we are hurtin americans and to top it off, bushy is sending billions to a stupid war that should have never been in the first place. bump this trivial crap about JJ. we are dealing with bigger problems WE as AMERICANS are facing. OBAMA 08!!
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bigchassie
Comment: WRITE2LIVE>truly!
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katgrrrl
Comment: Right on, Write2Live!
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HarrisThomas
Comment: OK,Olivia, you win: O-BA-MA!! dawgs blacks to pander to whites . . . . . whites don't get massive daily MSM doses of how badly white America is behaving, whites get bleeding leading stories about black antisocial behavior and MSM presents that content in massive doses . . . . whites "know" that even when they bitterly cling to guns and religion during bad economic times, they are better off than upperclass blacks 'cause ain't they white? and they don't like having a rich black candidate for president remind them that they are bitter and clinging for any reason: any black man [ANY!] who does so is uppity, elitist and forgetting his place in American society . . . . . after the bitter "shyt storm", O-BA-MA!! won't be talking about white shortcomings again with regard to why they won't vote for a black man even if it's in their best interests [hell, maybe whites need to be dawged by the whitey white POW hero McCain as president] . . . . . likewise, Jesse J. won't be trash talking O-BA-MA!! at a mike anymore - JJ will have to be much more devious . . . . so, do ya like this scenario much better, Olivia and like-minded folks?
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bigchassie
Comment: HARRISTHOMAS>You would think they had enough dealing with bushy! maybe they like wallowing in high gas and forclosures and high and unafforable healthcare and paying taxes for a dayum war we don't need. i'm tired of it myself. and i don't want more of it!
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kwrob
Comment: Name: MelodyCool Comment: gingerg ===>Is Cynthia McKinney an option for Melody?<==== Dayum skippy! Bingo!
Does Cynthia McKinney have the nomination? I thought that was up in the air? And if she does, how come she's not getting any press?
Also, Dexter had been trying to get acting gigs a long time ago, but I don't know about now. I doubt producers and directors would take him seriously.
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MelodyCool
Comment: Reds, I see Obama is a cut-throat from way back. However, I'm not surprised in the least after reading those WSJ/CNN articles. The same way Obama comes to power is the same way he'll attempt to stay there.
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MelodyCool
Comment: Like someone else mentioned, I, too, have always thought Dexter was Shady. I'm sure his sibling had a hard time over this lawsuit but he forced it.
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MelodyCool
Comment: Good post, CRENEEJ. Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau had an out of wedlock daughter and so did French Prime Minister Francois Mitterrand. I don't approve of JJ stepping out on wife and leaving evidence, but look how much respect all these men garner and they did the same thing: Kevin Costner, Clint Eastwood, Jack Nicholson and the list goes on and on.
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bigchassie
Comment: KROB>cynthia mckinney has gotten some press here in the ATL. she is on the Green Ticket.
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MOTHERSHIP
Comment: Write2live, that's what really got Jesse's knickers in a twist; that same father's day speech Obama gave about men not being fathers and runnin' around not being responsible and that's what led to the breakup of the Black family was the juxt of his speech. Jesse took affront to this (it touched a nerve) and he's been stewing ever since. Also, I saw the clip of what Jesse said and his facial expression exuded nothing but pure bitterness and contempt. Jesse just needs to let God work because it's not about Obama, God is working through Obama and man thinks he's the be all and end all and that's why shyt is all fuccked up now due to man's arrogance and greed. God finally said enough and there's nothing they can do about the fact that it's the God power at work.
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Mas90
Comment: Melody... me and bigchassie wanna know are you need gangbang?
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Reds
Comment: TGen, I will never win an argument with you on the legality of Obama’s tactics. After all, he is an Harvard trained lawyer. But do we really want to go down that road. Lawyers have always been used by the rich and well connected to have their way at the expense of decent folks forever. How about right v wrong, honor, ethics. Is it legal to throw someone in jail for a gram of crack ten times longer than for someone with ten grams of cocaine. Is it legal to prosecute blacks at a higher rate than others, even though there is no difference in rate of crime. What Obama did to his own people to advance his own self interest was downright shysty, sick, abhorrent.
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MelodyCool
Comment: Mas90, you and bigchassie go on an do y'all thang like you been doing...without me filming. See if you can round up a few more of your boys cause I'm sure y'all can't handle 'chassie alone!!!! You "minute" men are too much!!!
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bigchassie
Comment: MELODYCOOL>LOL!!
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MelodyCool
Comment: Reds ===>What Obama did to his own people to advance his own self interest was downright shysty, sick, abhorrent.<==== THAT was coldblooded. I was on another site and those white folks said they believe he's using Michelle to advance himself and once he's done they expect him to dump her for a white woman. Funny, but that same thought crossed my mind beforehand. I noticed in one of those articles it mentioned he once lived in Chicago with a woman who was "not" black. I can see him returning to his roots at some point because he's a straight-up opportunist if there ever was one. Be sure to read "The Squandering of Obama" by Salim Muwakkil at: http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3268/the_squanderi ng_of_obama/
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Olivia
Comment: HarrisThomas Win? what?
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MelodyCool
Comment: bigchassie, why you let Mas90 put our business out in public...LOL!!! I was making good money filming you kids!!!!
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bigchassie
Comment: MELODYCOOL>Well sweetie, if you did make some money, you make sure you study the film. you may get some tips. everybody needs a little help with their fustration, you know! lol!
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Reds
Comment: write2live32, I’m not going to win with you on this one either, but I think you and TGen are missing the bigger picture (or choose to). Alice Palmer was a mentor to Obama, and chose him as her successor before changing her mind to run again. How ironic that:
“Fresh from his work as a civil rights lawyer and head of a voter registration project that expanded access to the ballot box, Obama launched his first campaign for the Illinois Senate saying he wanted to empower disenfranchised citizens.
But in that initial bid for political office, Obama quickly mastered the bare-knuckle arts of Chicago electoral politics. His overwhelming legal onslaught signaled his impatience to gain office, even if that meant elbowing aside an elder stateswoman like Palmer.” http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403oba ma-ballot,1,57567.story
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HarrisThomas
Comment: dag, Olivia you don't know what the discussion has been about? >>> Name: Olivia Comment: HarrisThomas Win? what?
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Southernbelle
Comment: LMAO @ chaisse and mas90. What's this ya'll two banging, WTF?!?!?! I have got to go back and re-read these posts b/c it sounds like chaisse can turn water into wine ROTFL.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: Reds, you feel strongly that O-BA-MA!! should have stepped aside when Palmer "asked" him to move over and you need to stop the madness: why didn't you share the following information from the Chicago Tribune article that you suggest that we read? - "But when Palmer got clobbered in that November 1995 special congressional race, her supporters asked Obama to fold his campaign so she could easily retain her state Senate seat. Obama not only refused to step aside, he filed challenges that nullified Palmer's hastily gathered nominating petitions, forcing her to withdraw." . . . . . not only did Palmer decide that O-BA-MA!! should step aside after her failed attempt in a special election, her campaign performed poorly when collecting petition signatures - do not blame O-BA-MA!! for Palmer's poor campaign tactics in two races; the bad guy is Palmer who wanted everything for herself
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HarrisThomas
Comment: my last post for the day from Reds' suggested article: At the same time, the South Side's political map was thrown up for grabs when then-U.S. Rep. Mel Reynolds was convicted of sex crimes and a special election was called to fill his congressional seat.
Palmer joined the race and, according to multiple accounts, introduced Obama as the successor for her Illinois Senate seat.
"She said, 'I found this wonderful person, this fine young man, so we needn't worry that we'd have a good state senator,' " said former 5th Ward Democratic committeeman Alan Dobry, who volunteered to help both Palmer and Obama that year.
In recent interviews, Obama and Palmer agreed that he asked her whether she wanted to keep her options open and file to run for her state Senate seat as a fallback in case her congressional bid failed.
Obama says he told her: "We haven't started the campaign yet."
"I hadn't publicly announced," he said. "But what I said was that once I announce, and I have started to raise money, and gather supporters, hire staff and opened up an office, signed a lease, then it's going to be very difficult for me to step down. And she gave me repeated assurances that she was in [the congressional race] to stay."
Obama "did say that to me," Palmer says now. "And I certainly did say that I wasn't going to run. There's no question about that."
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bigchassie
Comment: SOUTHERNBELLE>yeah chile, didn't you know? lol! that's why i'm not a frustrated ole woman who shoots venon out the mouth at everyone if no one agrees with my opinion on canidates they don't like.
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obraxton
Comment: I don't care if Spike Lee is telling it like it is or not, he needs to just be quiet for a few moments. This is the pot calling the kettle black to me. I wouldn't be surprised if a tape pops up with him saying the same thing that Jesse did. He's an old head that needs to sit down too.
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bigchassie
Comment: HARRISTHOMAS>1995? Why is this old news dug up? thats some mess Faux news would do.
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bigchassie
Comment: yall have a lovely weekend. tootles.
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Mas90
Comment: LOL!!!! @ Melody & CHassie. Melody I'll take that as a no.
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Marlin
Comment: And there it is. I was 9 in 1984 and I was not feeling him THEN. He rhymed too frikkin much. Obama has handled himself with the utmost tact and dignity. He is trying to be the leader of the free world, not just black america. I knew Jesse would blow his top eventually. Obama does not talk down on blacks for the record....I guess he hates himself, his,kids, and father?....yeah right.
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Reds
Comment: HarrisThomas, I guess you will miss this response, but here anyway. I’m not going to challenge what you said. Saying Obama should have stepped aside and let her run unopposed, but it’s the tactics he used. That’s like punching below the belt. Other worthy quotes from the same article: “Fresh from his work as a civil rights lawyer and head of a voter registration project that expanded access to the ballot box, Obama launched his first campaign for the Illinois Senate saying he wanted to empower disenfranchised citizens… But in that initial bid for political office, Obama quickly mastered the bare-knuckle arts of Chicago electoral politics. His overwhelming legal onslaught signaled his impatience to gain office, even if that meant elbowing aside an elder stateswoman like Palmer….. Obama's petition challenges belied his image as a champion of the little guy and crusader for voter rights.
"Why say you're for a new tomorrow, then do old-style Chicago politics to remove legitimate candidates?" Askia said. "He talks about honor and democracy, but what honor is there in getting rid of every other candidate so you can run scot-free? Why not let the people decide?"
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Reds
Comment: HarrisThomas, I guess you will miss this response, but here anyway (with corrections). I’m not going to challenge what you said. I'm not saying Obama should have stepped aside and let her run unopposed, but it’s the tactics he used. That’s like punching below the belt. Other worthy quotes from the same article: “Fresh from his work as a civil rights lawyer and head of a voter registration project that expanded access to the ballot box, Obama launched his first campaign for the Illinois Senate saying he wanted to empower disenfranchised citizens… But in that initial bid for political office, Obama quickly mastered the bare-knuckle arts of Chicago electoral politics. His overwhelming legal onslaught signaled his impatience to gain office, even if that meant elbowing aside an elder stateswoman like Palmer….. Obama's petition challenges belied his image as a champion of the little guy and crusader for voter rights.
"Why say you're for a new tomorrow, then do old-style Chicago politics to remove legitimate candidates?" Askia said. "He talks about honor and democracy, but what honor is there in getting rid of every other candidate so you can run scot-free? Why not let the people decide?"
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Reds
Comment: MelodyCool, this is the article HarrisThomas was referring to. You got to read it when you have some time. It's like a history lesson on Chicago politics. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403oba ma-ballot,1,57567.story
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Untouchable
Comment: I agree with Spike and that is the first thing that entered my mind as well when I heard the really crude and ignorant comment by Jesse Jackson.
I know he is human, but I am still shocked and appalled that that someone of his supposed statue would make such nasty with his comments. It was good of him to quickly apologize and his son was smart to criticize his father as to save his own political career. Maybe next time, he will stay away from Fox news, especially O'reilly and deal with his own issues with O'bama.
Afterall, O'bama has not said anything that Bill Cosby and countless others have said with regards to the Black community.
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kblackelegance
Comment: I know everyone has gone home, but I really had to share this. JJ deserves respect for what he has "done", but what has he "done" for the people lately???? What significant change has happened in light of the peoples marching?? Yeah everyone marched and then what??? *Crickets Chirping* Yeah just as I thought. The purpose and plan of JJ's life and the Civil Rights movement has been PERVERTED & CORRUPTED. I was working on Wall Street when "HE" and all his rabble rousers called for an economic boycott, you know what happened to me and others like me? We all got laid off. You know what JJ got? "PAID OFF" And that right there I can't respect or honor I don't give a damn who it is. You're not looking out for the people you're looking out for yourself. Another point why should O be beholden to him???? Why say you're going to castrate another man, your brother at that?!?!?! If you want to be apart of the movement of change, then do so, come to the table with solutions. Come to the table asking what can I do to help you. Someone was saying that we're going to see the real side of Obama just wait. Well JJ has shown his real side, basically telling us to kiss his %*$ he got his. You better "BELIEVE" JJ got paid and got paid Handsomely.
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BKLYNVIAMAHATTAN
Comment: @Olivia... Love the name LOL. Appreciate what you have posted... Along with everyone else.. The Bottom Line is I couldn't care less if it was Whisler and his Mother climbing aboard. There is so much work to be done. The Bush's and the Clinton's have got to go. Once this is accomplished.. The price of Straw and cotton will surely rise.. Got to sweep the floor and MOP IT!
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MsWhitt
Comment: It's over for Jesse. While I don't agree 100% with Obama...I still would vote for him over John McCain. I tried to pay for my tank of gas with my "mental depression" credit card and the gas pump gave me 15 gallons of "mental gas".
I don't believe there are too many Politicians who reach any kind of Political status who aren't tainted in some kind of way.
Obama, the "messiah" for Black people...I think not, but I definitely ain't feeling McCain. Lord Help us!!! No matter who gets in this Nation is still in for a world of hurt. We must take responsibility for OUR OWN LIVES, best we can and continue to work for change regardless of who is in the White House. Politics is local....let's work in our own communities to try to bring about a change for the better.
I stop drinking Kool-Aid in the 60's.
MsWhitt
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Olivia
Comment: @BKLYNVIAMAHATTAN I agree. Bush has got to go and McShame can't win. I just don't like anyone using the same old myth of immoral black pathology as means to the white house. When in fact it’s not within their presidential power to do anything about OWW birth or fatherless children to in black community (no one says anything about the white oww). So why are this topic race specific and a campaign issue? Look back at some of the presidential elections speeches/smears and you will see Clinton did it, Bush 1 & 2 did it, Reagan did it, and Bobby Kennedy did it….President William McKinley…and many others. I have little tolerance for it period and because Obama is black….still don’t make it right. I will still choose Obama in Nov., but my motto is principles over politics. When Obama is wrong, we need to say he’s wrong.
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ladybyrd
Comment: I wish people like Jessie would understand that this is bigger & beyond them. As someone has so eloquently put it, Obama is about to burst through one of the HIGHEST glass ceilings. I for one, am excited! :)
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MelodyCool
Comment: Reds, I read all your articles and have circulated them as well. Obama has a distinct ruthlessness when it comes to blacks. Now that he flipflopping his white supporters are wondering what's in store for them. This man has no loyalty to anyone except himself. Thanks again!
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Lolita76
Comment: TO ALL OF YOU OBAMA HATERS,WHY DO YA'LL KEEP POSTING LOADS OF PARAGRAPHS OF HIS SO CALLED SHORT COMINGS BUT NON OF THE SHORTCOMINGS OF THAT SHADY, IN THE CLOSET RACIST CLOWN MCCAIN? I MEAN REALLY PEOPLE, I DON'T GIVE A RATS %*$ ABOUT OBAMA'S CHICAGO POLITICAL HARDBALL TACTICS. IF HE DIDN'T PLAY HARD, HE WOULD HAVE NEVER MADE IT THIS FAR. FOR ALL OF YOU DUMB AZZ FOLKS, ENTERTAINING THE THOUGHT OF VOTING FOR SHADY MCCAIN,GO SOMEWHERE AND GET YOUR HEADS EXAMINED. I WOULDN'T TRUST SHADY MCCAIN IF HIS MOUTH CAME NOTORIZED,STAMPED AND SEALED. THAT FRAUD MCCAIN, HAS MORE SKELETON BONES IN CLOSET, THAN BARACK EVER WILL IN HIS LIFETIME. I CAN'T WAIT FOR SOME OF YOU BLOGGERS, TO START POSTING OUT, ALL OF MCCAIN'S DIRTY LAUNDRY BECAUSE HE MOST DEFINITELY HAS LOTS OF IT, TO BE EXPOSED AND HOPEFULLY SOON!
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