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javone77
Comment: I am with the brotha on this. I was one of the statistics. I grew up without a father. he cheated and went off to live with a woman who had a little boy after leaving the hospital the day I was born because I was not a little boy. I heard him say things to my mom that has definitely colored my feelings about men and it is not at all positive. So I am glad that he is putting fools on blast. Not because of my own circumstance but because of the fact that if children need their father's to be around to show them how to be a man and how a man is supposed to treat a woman. I never got that. I had to pick it up from other people's father's. Besides he isn't saying anything that the white man aint been saying all along. but some blacks can't take hearing it...not even from a black man. they wanna sweep it under the rug with the "we know our faults so he ain't gotta talk about it" speech. When ya knew better...you did better but some of us are content to continue the trend. It is time to talk about it and I am one person who is glad about it. JMO
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javone77
Comment: On another note, I am glad that he is urging black people to take more responsibility. There is nothing worse than momma and daddy dropping their kid off at school with no work and no lunch money and expecting me to part the red sea. LOL I am human and can only do so much. I had a child who came to school and Lord have mercy, the baby didn't have anything. no school supplies...nothing. But momma picked him up everyday in a new baby phat outfit and had a different color weave in her head every single day. But you can't afford a 10 cent package of paper? smh Come on! If I could come from where I did and get to where I am now, a whole bunch of people can do it too. we just gotta get to work.
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Counselor2
Comment: Until a reasonable definition is given for a person, place or thing, people, places and things will settle for whatever substitute presents itself. In our community, there have been far too many wrong definitions of what a man is because most of the males in our particular community have not seen, been taught to be or accepted as men. Making babies does not make you a man. Being incarcerated does not make you a man. Having lots of girlfriends or being a "pimp" does not make you a man. A man is a male that is honest. He is reliable as well as self-reliant and he assumes responsibility, not only for his own actions, but for the actions of those persons or things he is responsible for. We, as men, must teach that definition to the men we are building- our "Men Under Construction."
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TGen
Comment: Excellent comments Javonne77 and Counselor2, simpley excellent. I'm still miffed at how anyone can have a problem with this message. I think that says a lot more about THEM (Jesse this means you) than it does BO. Apparently Jesse et al equate Black with "trifling," else what could "talking down to Black people" mean? The "get your ish together" message is pointed directly at those doing trifling things, so the only way you can be offended is if it applies to you! lol It's a shame that with all the other mess going on, it's THIS message that some people have a problem with. I mean, really. There are some real substantive things to go after Obama on, this message he gave last night and at other times, is NOT one of those things.
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ReginaBio1
Comment: I agree wholeheartedly with Obama's comments. For so long we have blamed our shortcomings on whites, the government, other blacks, and anyone else who we felt should take the blame. Black fathers do need to do better, our community as a whole needs to take responsibility for what we instill in our children as success. We've come a long way but we've got a long way to go. Black people, let's do better.
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huey
Comment: javone77 ---well good morteen ...youre up early....
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javone77
Comment: Huey: hi brain. I am busy so my sleep is suffering. but it's time for my nap now lol
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yunvme
Comment: Nothing Obama has said in the past really bothered me. Is the message true? Yes it is. But the problem for me now is that even I am starting to see a pattern here. No one is disputing what he is saying, but I have to ask this question. Does Barack think African Americans are irresponsible? It seems that his speeches always have some comment in them about how we need to be more responsible. I know there are many of my fellow supporters that are so caught up in defending him and his message that they lose sight of what I considered to be a bigger issue. The issue for me is now the fact that almost everywhere he goes he goes on and on about how "we" need to be more responsible. Is that what he thinks of us?
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Quanli
Comment: Agreed with the comments here and w/ Obama's. When the critics come in, how many will forget this piece of the article: "But in the speech, Obama also highlighted what he said was the failure of Washington and Wall Street address economic ills affecting blacks such as lack of affordable health care, inadequate public schools and income inequality."
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musbdherbs
Comment: This supercilious brow of mine is now raised...the pattern is there...the message is beginning to be disturbing.
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NYCsoul
Comment: yunvme> That's what my feeling is, too. It is not the message per se but what is this about 'responsiblity' only pertaining to us? American society in general has declined in terms of morals and ethics. America has taught the ideas that if people don't agree with your way of life or philosophy, invade their country. We make 'stars' out of people infamous for doing the wrongs things or simply because they've done something 'outrageous'. There is alot of work that needs to be done in our communities but let's give praise to those who are doing the right thing.
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sdedee84
Comment: The pattern started when we as black men and women began to let what is in our control get out of hand. As has been said many times before! If the shoe fits wear it, if you have done ALL that you can, take what fits you and throw the rest to the side for those that need it. Many tend to get defensive when things tend to hit home, directly or indirectly. Look at your situation and those around you that you may be enabling(sp) or not helping to rise to the occasion, think about whats being said, take what you need and call me in the morning!!!
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TGen
Comment: Great post Sdedee84. I would also encourage all to read the full speech, link provided by EUR on BO's website. The "responsibility for self" part was like one or two paragraphs, lol, maybe a fourth of the whole speech! So the EUR headline is misleading (probably intentionally so to facilitate more controversy and discussion), but it does not paint an accurate picture of the speech in sum.
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Kara
Comment: I agree with yunvme and the others. Here is the problem that I see. Is it not the responsibility of every father whether they are black, white, asian, latino, etc. to be there for his children. Is it not the responsiblity of every parent to sit down with their children and go over homework with them. I wholeheartedly agree that some black men need to stop being absentee fathers, but there are white men who need to stop being them too, their are latino men that not stop being them too. Would Obama be as relentless when it comes to taking them to task on what they do and don't do?
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adifferentpath
Comment: all good comments! I'll have to check the pattern of his messages...but I do agree with the message.
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CRENEEJ
Comment: mornin all. MUSB, you know i've been looking at BO with a side-eye all along, but he's really starting to beat a dead horse. now there are a couple of reasons for his speech and talking about black responsibility. mainly, i think b/c he was addressing a majority black audience, he felt comfortable saying that. but i don't think he would've dared to say that to a majority yt or hispanic audience about their members. there are just as many deadbeat yt and hispanic fathers as there are black ones. i think JJ was right to say what he did, but said it at the wrong place. he is talking down to black people.... and y does he feel comfortable enough to air our dirty laundry, but not address the outbreak of yt kids in Mass who voluntarily got pregnant.
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BlkATLTop
Comment: I agree with his message too- hopefully it will get amplified to those who need to hear it most.
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...Hmmm...I understand the need to be more responsible, ect, ect...but Senator Obama, would you please show us the same political courtesy shown to others. I understand the historical significence(sp) of this comming election but it's gonna be a bittersweet victory for me...and I can only speak for myself if this pattern continues...Please don't take our vote for granted ...and please don't take it as a "given"
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NYCsoul
Comment: Nobody is getting defensive here or 'enabling' anybody's behavior. How many times has this subject about black irresponsbility come up on this board? Time and time again so what Obama is saying is not new. Farrakahn said the same thing 13, 14 years ago during the million man march. A march, that some black women criticized him for having despite the fact he was addressing the same issues that Obama is doing now! There is nothing brand new about this. The point is how do we move beyond it and support those who are ALREADY doing what they are supposed to do. Let's give them tools and not cut budgets for grassroots organizations that are trying to change the tide in our communities. Being optimistic is not the equivalent of denying or enabling bad behavior. Our communities can change if we all work together.
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BlkATLTop
Comment: Creenj- He's not "airing our dirty laundry". The whole world has seen some of our dirty clothes on the line for a very long time now. Where have you been?
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huey
Comment: barack cant be everything to everybody...he is a black man of mixed heritage, hence as one can clearly see he is trying to present himself as a beacon of hope for young black men and that is a good thing. accept it and stop trying to read more into than there is. thats the problem with alot of adults. they start to incorporate the own misconceptions into hope. accept it, it is good medicine and therapy for the mind. leave out the agendas.
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musbdherbs
Comment: LOL@Crenee. IMO, Obama is a middle-class..well upper now..black men and he believes in a message that not just middle class blacks believe in...but ALL blacks. The problem I have w/his message is illustrated by his comment about "people say i've been too tough"
bullshyt line that black folk always like to throw out there..including Cosby. Obama is smart enough to know that prolly over 80% of blacks support a message of personal responsibility. If he does not believe that...then he don't know black folk like he should. Who are these people he is referring to? Jessie never talked about it? Al? That's as big a lie as the lie he continued to tell about the numbers of black men in jail vs. college. Black folk...especially middle class blacks have a habit of isolating every problem to the hood and perpetuating stereotypes germane to that area. Hence, his speech about "don't feed your kids popeyes chicken for b'fast." I ask, who does that? Who does he know that does that? Does he know somebody who knows somebody..who knows somebody who does that? Prolly not. I need some watermelon cuz he bout to rise my pressha up in here today.
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MsBlake
Comment: Cosign Sdedee84. I come from a very large family. My grandfather had alot of children with several women. He had his first child in 1937 and his last child in 1977. A number of my cousins and uncles took after him. I have for instance a cousin in Italy who has 5 kids with 4 Italian women and an uncle in Japan who has a whole bunch of tiger woods looking kids that he doesn't take care of. So if any of u are black or biracial then you're probably related me lol. On a serious note I know firsthand the kinda folks Obama is trying to get through to. I have met some of these kids who were abandoned by their fathers and I am sad to say they are pretty messed up.
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yunvme
Comment: MsBlake- see thats where I differ from you. I dont think "black folks" are the kind of folks he is trying to "get through to". It is White folks he is trying to get to.
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huey
Comment: CRENEEJ --u come in this forum pointing fingers at barack at every op, yet you have no clue about african american history.
historically, these are the types of speeches that have always taken place at the naacp meetings. this is nothing new. one of the reasons for the naacp meetings is to discuss uncomfotable topics. thats what we do. so for u to say "airing dirty laundry" is quite frankly, you been ignorant of the naacp mission.
that same "airing our dirty laundry" does not bode well when u are talking about the black church. thats what we do. historically thats were these discussions took place. some of dr. kings best speeches to place in the church. did he "air dirty laundry"? CRENEEJ --go do you homework, you dont know what you are talking about and youre sounding real ignorant.
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musbdherbs
Comment: NYC...Farrakhan...Jessie and Al said the same thing at the MMMarch just two years ago. Personal responsibility...fathers needing to be involved. There's another problem..as noted in this AP clip. The reporter said, "Obama first sent that message on Father's Day to the black community." The majority of the clip does focus on the smallest part of his speech. BUT, that's the headliner and what the media will focus in on. Fact is, Obama first sent that message in his book and has been repeated throughout his political career. The resposibility in how "we" present ourselves does not stop at the the line leaving the hood. It also goes all the way to the burbs. He should be mindful (now that he is Barack the phenom) of how he presents our concerns and the stereotypes about us.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Huey...uhm...black history has nothing to do w/it. Obama is a potential president. Therefore, the message he delivers ANYWHERE will be broadcast and in many cases used inappropriately by MSM. He/s now having discussions w/us...about us...in front of a world stage that has always been content to paint us however they choose.
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TGen
Comment: MsBlake: "On a serious note I know firsthand the kinda folks Obama is trying to get through to." Me too. That's why, when I find myself about to get offended at BO's/Cosby's/et al comments, I stop and think. My OWN brother! lol He grew up middle/upper class, both parents, the whole nine, and STILL went by the wayside, became a rolling stone, not an absent father (though having multiple kids by multiple women *smh*), but triflin as all get-out. Now do I think he's a lost cause? (Sometimes lol), no seriously, hopefully not. But I know for a FACT that hearing that it's not everyone else's fault, that he needs to take PERSONAL responsibilty for if not all, most of his life, is right on-time. And I think BO's father leaving him gives him more license to speak on such things than others. Would I like to hear him applaud and show more diligence to those who, like him, lead responsible lives? Of course, and I hope he decides to increase that part of the message more in the future. But for right now, I think his message is appropriate, would love for him to give it in front of prisoners and juvenile delinquents even more, but I still don't have a problem with him giving it. I feel for him, as Huey stated, trying to be all things to all people. Politics is HARD! lol Good luck trying to appease both scared White folks and offended Black folks Barack! I do NOT envy you.
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javone77
Comment: musbudherbs: I'm sorry but you would be AMAZED at what parents do to their kids....black ones included! It only takes a few hot seconds of talking to a teacher, or a prinicipal, or hell the woman in the cafeteria to know that parents DO neglect their children. Do you know what I buy with my pwn personal money at the beginnign of the year? a file cabinet drawer full of snacks! y? Because in the 6 yrs I have taught I cannot tell you how many times I have fed a child who hadn't eaten since lunch on sunday. I cannot tell you how many times I have sent a child to school with stomach aches at 8 am because they were feed something inappropriate or spoiled. It only takes a minute of research to discover these things. He doesn't have to know anyone who does these things personally. The fact is that they are out there and he knows it. So I will have to respectfully disagree with that part of your comment.
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Quanli
Comment: I suggest anyone who felt this speech was unfair to READ THE ENTIRE TRANSCRIPT and stop relying on bits & pieces of "sensational" news. The title of this piece is designed to ignite discussion, fine. However, it is our responsibility to be totally informed. For the most part those who have read the piece in its entirety were not outraged.
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Quietstorm16
Comment: Dam-n you can't win for loosing with us. He can only be for us if he only speaks to us about the positive??? GTF outta here. If we know it all already, how come it's not getting better? If the light is on us we can't hide. I double-dog dare you to find out how many people on this board had some kind of father issues. It might have turned out alright because there ended up being a man who stepped in and helped out. But what about those who don't have that? Don't worry...I'll wait...But don't try to act like it is not an issue that needs to be disscussed...in the open. Is Obama getting some points with conservative voters (both Black and white) for this? Probably, but I don't think it is at the expense of Blacks as some have suggested. It is not an either or situation. I wanna see a President who has the ba11s to call you out and then help provide the tools for you do something about it. I think it will still be up to us to demand then provide the tools. Government can help, but we have to do the rest ourselves. I think that is all he is saying.
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MsBlake
Comment: Co-sign Huey and TGEN. We may have to agree to disagree with some of the folks on this board but I genuinely believe Obama is not saying these things to please white folks. Obama has had numerous opportunities to distance himself from black folks but hasn't. Yunve I believe most folks have made up their mind who they'll be voting for in November anyway so this speech prolly wont make a difference. Oh and another thing, I notice some people are have serious issues with Obama but plan to reluctantly vote for him. WHY???? If I had serious doubts about a candidate I wouldn't vote for him, I'd look at others, I mean there are options - Cynthia McKinney, Maccain, Nader and that other dude. I'm just sayin!!
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realuvbaby
Comment: In my humble and perhaps long-winded opinion [sorry ] If I could chime in here. I don't believe he's stating that blacks are irresponsible. However, the positive influences in our community don't get the press. The good fathers who are boring, homebodies, going to work then coming home being there for their family -- I mean, where's the scandal in that? Bottom line is we cannot be affected by everything people say to and about us. But if the shoe fits, we have to wear it. Our community needs work. It's about you being the change you want in the world at this stage in this world. We make choices. This is not the civil rights era, it's the 21st Century, and there’s a different message, mindset and world out there. We’ve gotten the wealth, the affluence, the education. Now what?! It's about self-preservation and taking responsibility for our actions. We always want to say it's somebody's fault, but truth is, we make the choice to have unprotected sex with multiple partners, fashion plates, and engage in otherwise social and sexual deviance and there are consequences. With power comes responsibility; and power without responsibility is anarchy and chaos. Now that our ancestors have fought and won civil rights, what are we using those rights to do? Have a clothing line? Wear ten tons of jewelry around our necks? Go the strip club? What’s wrong with being responsible anyway? Irresponsibility has a huge negative impact on our families and the community as a collective. Sure, we’ve been the victims of inequality and iniquity, but so has everyone else at one point or another, and we've got to move past our past. Not forget, just move past it. The difference is the chips are not stacked up against other races and folk of other heritages ike the way they are stacked up against the African. But the only way to do that is to change the mids of people by behaving differently. We’ve got to have some pride, responsibility and self-esteem enough to love ourselves enough such that we don’t bring harm to ourselves. SELF-ESTEEM. Like Kat Williams says: it's called self-esteem. And that's esteem of your EM EFEN self.
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...I don't think the President of the US should be airy dirty laundry...He11, he has a staff to do the laundry...Next cartoon we'll see is Barak sleeves rolled up bent over a wash tub...and hanging clothes on the clothes line...each item of clothing will have some ill of the black community written on it...They'll probably put a headscarf on his head...
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javone77
Comment: sorry I meant that I send kids to the nurse with those stomch aches. Innever wanted to be a mother...but I am now. do younknow how? My sister decided to get pregnant and have a baby and the daddy who was shacking with another girl thatnpaid all his bills wanted a paternity test. that fool is M.I.A and now so is my sister. So I think I know a little bit about consequences when people do not take care of their business.
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bigchassie
Comment: all these views can be expressed to him on barackobama.com. go to the blogs and tell him your views on his speech. this man cannot please everybody, he is going to say things everybody do not agree with. so the choice is yours, either support this man or dont. everybody has a choice in this election.
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TGen
Comment: Quanli, that's exactly the point I made earlier. I doubt many here read the whole transcript, just the irresponsible headline EUR decided to provide. I'm highlighting your post to emphasize this more: Know the FACTS before judging. Geez...
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DOne
Comment: The only thing I'm tired of hearing is that whenever the topic of responsibility comes up; the topic seems to automatically drift to deadbeat fathers, as though they running around impregnating women while they are sleeping. With that said, I don't have a problem with what he said given the forum, however, it does it get old after a while because in many cases it's preaching to the choir.
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javone77
Comment: done: You are right about it. that's why I always mention the mother in my comment. now in response to the last point...when the choir starts to listen, heAR,a dn respond, only THEN will the message be un needed. right now, it is still needed cause we as a people are not listening
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musbdherbs
Comment: Javone..and in all of your 6 years, is it reasonable to as.sume that the majority..as in 90% of your kids are neglected by their parents..coming to school hungry, dirty clothes etc?
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huey
Comment: musbdherbs---history has everything to do with it. if you followed the history of the naacp you would find that this is not uncommon. the problem is some people are struggling with the idea of the presumptive democrat president making the statement. it does not matter who sees this message in mainstream media. the problem is with our brothers not stepping up to the plate. some brothers would rather barack be quite on this subject as well as their babys mamas.
dont shoot the messanger. barack is qualified to broach the subject if anyone is. he is the product of this disconnect. the idea that some people feel that he is "calling us out" for the sake of votes is ludacris. we need to be called out. and im a black brother speaking who has mentored young black brothers so i see the problem and know the history.
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DOne
Comment: >Javone, it's not that the choir isn't listening, it's those who are not in the choir who aren't present to hear what being said. It's kinda like a preacher giving a sermon on the importance of going to church to the regular sunday congregation. How do you get the message to those who never attend?
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MsBlake
Comment: Some posters have highlighted the fact that Obama does not spend the bulk of his speeches praising and celebrating good parents. I think the reason for that is because it is the norm.
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kwrob
Comment: Please don't let this article about Obama's speech cloud your thinking of how he's coming across. I was in the audience at the square watching it on the jumbotron. The part of the speech about persoanal responsibility was a mere blip compared to the rest of what he talked about. And he didn't even mention fathers specifically. He talked about parents in general. That's the problem with how this article is spun. It's sensationalism just to get people to comment on it. He focused mostly on getting this forclosure situation right, the amount of money we spent on the war which could have gone to strengthening the public school system and paying teachers better, and how much big business is getting over on the middle-class. He also talked about getting our kids off the street and curtailing the violence, and getting jobs for ex-offenders so they don't go back to a life of crime. He even talked about how little girls need to stop looking at t.v. to define their self-image, and that little boys need to be taught how to treat girls. That was something even my 7 year-old boy and 5 year-old girl could comprehend.
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MsBlake
Comment: DONE I hear what u are saying and you raised a very good point but I know personally a few people who have been touched by Obama's father's day speech and made the decision to change their ways. If folks are are in the barbershop or hair salon discussing this speech for instance an irresponsible brotha or sista may be exposed to it and decide to change his ways, u never know. The important thing is we are talking about it instead of sweeping it under the carpet like we do physical and domestic abuse.
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LMK1
Comment: Some people are too sensitive, if you're doing everything you are suppose to be doing he's not talking to you. Now you know there are too many irresponsible people in our community. she-she with 6 kids with 5 different baby daddy's. Tyrone, 43 years old still living in the back room at his parents house and 2 of his grown kids living there also. I can drive down 79th street in Chicago, from the lake to Western Ave and see irresponsibility running rampant! I grew up in the hood and wanted something better for myself without the risk of being killed or sent to prison for it. There are grown men who have never had a full time job in there life, now tell me that's not irresponsible.
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huey
Comment: kwrob ---good looking out. it seems some people cant get past the idea of barack telling the want they want to hear. they want fantasy when what they need is reality.they get caught up on one peice of a message and ride it till the wheels fall off.
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MsBlake
Comment: Cosign kwrob. Homerun. The entire speech is on youtube.
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professo285
Comment: yunvme and others who disagree with Obama's message and who think there is a pattern being established, you may be right but it is a good pattern. It's about time we hear this message from one of our own that can be a positive influence and can encourage others to make a difference. The problem with people like Jessie and Al is that they are always quick to yell black verses white but they never send messages to the black communities where it should actually start. Also, for those of you who think it's a pattern, in the near future, take a look at some statistics and you will see what Obama is talking about. It is better to hear this message from one of our own than hear it from McCain right? It goes back to what I always say on this message board, "Many of us hate to hear the truth."
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Kara
Comment: At the admonishment of board members, I took the opportunity to read the transcript, and now I am %*$!ed off at the media. His speech called for responsibility from several people. In addition, as far as I am concerned, since he used the term "we" he wasn't just speaking about Black people taking responsibility. He was speaking about everyone. That being said, I have no beef with his message.
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TGen
Comment: THANK YOU Kwrob. To all the pre-judgers, please see Kwrob's post--WHO WAS THERE. Gracias
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TGen
Comment: Kara, thank you for taking the time to read the whole speech instead of allowing EUR (of ALL mediums, lol) to define it for you.
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MelodyCool
Comment: CRENEEJ, more than blacks are starting to see the pattern as well. He feels with 90% of the black votes he can use that constituency as a punching bag. Yet he's race neutral when it comes to addressing discrimination in jobs, housing and the light. Obama's a two-faced slithering phony. If that all he has for black folks...rebuking them to gain points with nonblacks. This is most offensive!! Glad I never wanted him in the first place. Even the newscasters are racing an eyebrow and seemed uncomfortable repeating the news. Plus the bit about he's going to keep doing it. I agee with Jesse Jackson and now others are finally starting to see. Obama will keep this shyt up through his presidency if he wins.
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kwrob
Comment: And I don't know about what the crowd reaction was at the convention center, but on the square the reaction was positive to everything he said. There were even some points in the speech where the crowd was so tuned in, you could hear the cars driving past.
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NYCsoul
Comment: musb> We'll be talking about the same thing after Obama becomes president. We'll do the song and dance. %*$!( and moan and then things will go right back to the way they were. As far as I see, we are going round and round in a circle and I get tired of these kinds of discussions. As for Obama's comments on other issues, he has his work cut out for him because besides some folks wanting him to part the red sea, they want him to fix all of Bush's mess in a 4 year span. With the high unemployment rate in our community, 50% of black men in NYC, it will be interesting to see if corporations will be investing in creating more jobs. GM is laying off about 12000 workers with other corporations laying off everyday. Corporations are more interested in generating profits for their CEOs than keeping people employed. It will interesting to me to see how Obama will handle this issue once he becomes President.
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TGen
Comment: Kwrob, there was a standing ovation.
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huey
Comment: --somebody please slap a muzzle on MelodyCool ---
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naturalsista
Comment: kwrob and others thanks for the pointing out the problem i have been having with a few of the stories on eurweb. they don't print the whole story only the parts to elicit a barrage of posts that usually turn in to debates and personal attacks. i will print out the speech and read it because like you have said the part about resposibility is minute compared to the full message.
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kwrob
Comment: Leave it to MelodyCool to come with the negative. You are becoming predictable in your criticism. Let's see what you say about McCain's speech after Wednesday morning. As a matter of fact, I wonder what the crowd is going to be like. I may have to take a drive past there around the time he speaks, which I think is 11:00 AM.
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bigchassie
Comment: LET ME ASK A QUESTION...who was the best president for you in the past?
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kwrob
Comment: NYCSoul,
Ford is also laying off workers. They just closed one of their plants here in Cincy about a month ago, although it had been planned for a few years. But they are still able to come out with a new vehicle that's shaped like a SUV but is supposed to be like a mini-van.
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Kofi
Comment: Its a safe bet that most if not all the people on this board have some idea of the issues facing black people. Since BO talks about responsibility, is it not our collective responsibility for the raising of our children? It is one thing to say black men should be more responsibil but the question is: how do we help that black man be more responsibil? How do we help young women make better choices in men? Families don't exist in a vacuum. They need the support of the ENTIRE COMMUNITY!! BO is correct, the govt has failed us. Is anyone surprised? How do we as a community help that child who does not have appropriate role models. Since we are talking about responsibility, let us call out the racist white muthafckers who are activiely trying to destroy black people via discrimination, racial profiling, redlining, sub prime loans, enviornmental racism, inadquate access to healthcare, inferior public education systems, the prison industrial complex, racist enforcement of drug laws, etc. If you are going to tell the story tell the whole story!!!
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NYCsoul
Comment: naturalsista> That's always the case. The stories here are posted half %*$ed is one problem. The other is folks who are debating can't refrain themselves from name calling or personal attacks because someone sees something in a different light or actually saying the same thing but with a different slant. Everybody sees things differently but some of us can't accept that.
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dcdouglass01
Comment: Barack, I don't know brother. I don't know what's up, man. You need to be up in The New Yorker's azz right about now, not ours. You need to be debating John McCain, not showing white folk how you can chastise us. You need to be up in John's face more, who frankly had a pretty good retort to your scheduled speech today on a strategy for Iraq (which was, shouldn't there be a conversation with the generals/a trip to Iraq before getting too deep into specific strategies?). Your speech to La Raza was pretty sympathetic, at least from the excerpts I heard. Is it because you got us locked in at 90%? Is that why you feel comfortable with two speeches just weeks apart admonishing Black folk? Saw an online election poll yesterday, broken out by states. John McCain had won every state. Let's get on track, brother. Otherwise November will be an embarrassment.
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yunvme
Comment: What is this argument about "well it was only a small part of the speech"?. What the he11 does that mean? If someone (a white person) gave a speech about how black people need to be more responsible and somewhere in his speech he said, "some n1ggers is just lazy and there is nothing anyone can do about it." Will you scratch the part you dont like because the rest of the speech was on point? Silly of you all to think that we dont have brains and only read headlines. BTW how many black women are still offended by rappers calling women b1tches, h0es and tricks? Its ok if they keep repeating those things because those tricks need to be put on blast, and they are not really talking about you anyway right?
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Exmun
Comment: Ya'll drinking the koolaid. I would suggest that more of you READ or listen to Barack's speech for yourself. The speech was not the "Says Blacks must take responsibility" as EUR and virtually all of so-called mainstream media describe. They want us to believe that his speech was all about that. But it's clear as the text and the tape that three paragraphs out of maybe thirty even discussed responsibility. The vast majority of the speech was honoring our past of heroism and struggle. It's irresponsible for them to do these things... but YT folk gotta be YT folk. And organizations like EUR wants to sell copy over stupid stuff taken out of context.
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MsBlake
Comment: Kofi you raised some very important points. Folks are complaining about about Obama airing our dirty laundry but there could be a number of racist employers who watched that speech and felt somewhat responsible for the problem. He may have turned away or sacked an AA who he knew desperately needed the job.
Obama's speech at the NAACP
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sDeMFZIR1V0
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TGen
Comment: Yunvme, how naive! Are you saying that the rest, the other 75% of the speech is of no consequence whatsoever? That it in no way can give better context to the [non]contraversial statements being debated? The "rest of the speech" has EVERYTHING to do with it. Wow. Once some people make up their minds, it seems nothing, no amount of facts, can change it. I think I've read of someone like that before, someone who marvels in willful ignorance. Hmmm I think his name is George W. damn Bush.
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TGen
Comment: Exmnum, koolaid indeed. The worst part it, they don't even seem to care! lol They're being fed b.s. and asking for more, with gravy on top! Wow
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yunvme
Comment: I read it ok. Why are you/some assuming that people have not read what he said in context- and still have a problem?
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NYCsoul
Comment: kwob> Bringing up Ford & GM is important because they are union jobs. What will happen to those workers and their communities when their plants shut down? Sure you can go back to school but then if then if there are no jobs to apply these skills, then what? Not everyone has money to move from place to place.
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TGen
Comment: Well, Yunvme, if you read it, now I have to ask. What's your problem with it?
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Quanli
Comment: kwrob, THANK YOU. Again, this discussion would be a little different (not saying most responses are negative) if those who have a problem with what was said would simply read the entire speech. It really was positive. I pose this question: are the morning shows commenting based on the entirety of the speech or the articles? I have beef with so-called black news outlets giving us the same okey doke as all others.
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yunvme
Comment: read my first post.
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Quanli
Comment: yunvme, the assumption is there because the beef seems to be with a very small portion of the message and it does not seem that anyone who has read it in context and entirety would continue to find negativity.
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Mas90
Comment: I believe Barack is talking to those blacks who aren't responsible. If you are a responsible black then you shouldn't be hurt by the message. You should be encouraging your irresponsible black friends to get their azz in line cause WE about to march into the white house B*tches! LOL!
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kwrob
Comment: Speaking of Bush, let me share with you a website to check out (ae911truth.org). There were people handing out flyers talking about the mysterious collapse of World Trade Center Building 7. Some of it is info we may have already seen and discussed.
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huey
Comment: Mas90 ---u right, lol..if i didnt know any better, i would think there were some dead beat deads on this board lol....hey, dead beats need internet access too....hahahaha
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TGen
Comment: Okay I read your first post Yunvme. You ask absurd questions like this: "The issue for me is now the fact that almost everywhere he goes he goes on and on about how "we" need to be more responsible. Is that what he thinks of us?" The answer is YES. And I'm still like, "so what's the problem?"
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bigchassie
Comment: DCDOUG>tell it to the man sweetie. tell him your views on how you feel. barackobama.com. there are blog sites on there as well. and the only way november will be an embarrasment is if we don't get out and vote. but you have a choice. Mccain or go independent. you have a choice and we all have a choice.
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MER82
Comment: Co-sign Counselor2 and QuietStorm-waaay up top ^^ -People fail to realize that O brought this topic into his speech last night to specifically address the Jesse Jackson naysayers who think the way a lot of folk on the board do about his talk on responsibility. What also tends to happen is that we think that he is talking only to folk in the hood. No, he is talking to everyone. And yes Society in general has the very same problems we do but guess what? Black folk are disproportionately impacted by the negative happenings, we are also the only community that no longer looks out for each other. There was a time when Black folk did that, not any more. We already know what the government needs to be doing, which is why we supported this brother to get in there and shake things up, ending the status quo. But we also need to do our part and apparently we aren't hearing it enough. I like the quote Counselor had about our "men under construction." If more of the positive brothers would step up and encourage, promote, praise, influence and enlighten the rest, our community will start to improve. This cannot be emphasized enough. Stop blaming the white man, stop blaming the government, the police and your sisters, Black women. We all have our part in this degrading culture but Black Men, Brothers need to finally step up once and for all and make positivity happen. Look within, if brothers really start doing that across the board, I guarantee you %10000 that the Black community overall would improve. START WITH THE MAN IN THE MIRROR PERIOD and then go outside to reach your fellow man.
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kwrob
Comment: The only thing dead beats need the Internet for is Adult Friend Finder or Blackplanet.com to find their next conquest, because the ones they've already come across on the street know how much they stink.
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NYCsoul
Comment: Has EVERYONE read the entire speech or this is only geared to the people who take issue with it? Because there are some comments here that leads me to believe that some folks didn't read it in its entirety either.
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huey
Comment: kwrob -hahahahahahahahahaaha, u right lol
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HersheysKiss
Comment: I still stand amazed at the amount of 'News' folks really expect to get from EUR and factual news at that. That being said, I'd really prefer EUR to stick to what it does best: Entertain us with gossip and drama. Oh yeah, and break down on the regular. Leave the NEWS REPORTING to a site specializing in NEWS. SMH KWROB good post. [MelodyCool please just stop. Your CONSTANT barrage of negativity is repulsive.]
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musbdherbs
Comment: TGEN...what were the rest of JJ comments about Obama? Nevermind..you don't know because the media made sure you don't. Did you see many people in here (other than maybe 2 or 3) suggesting that we listen to JJ's comments in full other than the snippets we heard? No you didn't! Yunv's point is not naive. If Bush had given a 20-minute about america and focused 2 on parents should be feeding their kids popeyes chicken for b'fast, Jerome shouldn't be hanging out on the street corner, TGen shouldn't be going to a job interview w/pink hair, huey should know to pull up his pants if he wants to be taken seriously...DO YOU HONESTLY believe that people will be asking that we should refer to the previous 18 minutes of the speech? Nobody would be asking about the entire speech becuz we wouldn't care. Fk OUTTA HERE! The fact is that "if" he had said nething similar to that...we (as in most of us) would be fit to be tied and anything contrary would be a complete LIE. This whole faux controversy is at the crux of the problem why I believe Obama should tailor save his tough love conversations. Based on the clip, what did he talk about...black men. Who is not at home..black men? Who is hanging on the corner..black men? Who needs to learn personal responsibility..black men. MAS90..I liken his dicussion about "responsibility" and the response to it...to him (if he were a gay activist) making a speech about the "irresponsibility" of homo men who sleep around unprotected...many times involving women..spreading diseases...destroying families etc. Sure, that may not apply to you. Yes the message is true. I simply doubt that most gays would be walking around giving him high 5's.
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kwrob
Comment: "And yes Society in general has the very same problems we do but guess what?"
MER82,
Barack also said something similar to this in his speech, that these things are not just happening to us. The thing is this was an NAACP crowd for the most part, even though there were politicians and others sprinkled in. Plus, it was Youth night last night, so the ones who needed the message, our children, heard the message. I ran into one friend of mine afterwards who had his children down there to witness history, and now each of his children have to write him a report based on what they saw and heard.
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Dean32
Comment: Various Black Men, Leaders, and Speakers have been saying this same take responsiblity line to black men for YEARS. That is fine by me. And to the Black Women I say " Stop having babies with these same men you say are not men. The majority of black women know these guys and still have babies with them and then complain.
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bigchassie
Comment: MER>I CONCUR.
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realuvbaby
Comment: If the shoe fits, wear it; Bob Marley says if the cap fits wear it. There is no one black person who is every black person. You cannot fix a problem if at first you cannot acknowledge that you have one in the first place. Those who believe everyone is responsible and is acting responsibly in the African American community raise their hands!!!? Oh no? Thought so . . .Those who have eyes, let them see; those with ears, let them hear . . .
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musbdherbs
Comment: Funny how Obama can praise Bill/Hill and how they are needed even though they called him everything but a nygger to his face. he can do that for political reasons because he's a conciliator. He can also do it because he's a different kind of politician. What he can't do is give credit to both Al and Jessie for their work they've done..the backs on which he is now standing...at a speech b4 the NAACP. Name: MER82 Comment: We also need to do our part and apparently we aren't hearing it enough. If more of the positive brothers would step up and encourage, promote, praise, influence and enlighten the rest, our community will start to improve. Stop blaming Black women. We ALL have our part in this degrading culture BUT Black Men, Brothers need to finally step up and make positivity happen. If brothers really start doing that across the board, the Black community overall would improve. START WITH THE MAN IN THE MIRROR PERIOD and then go outside to reach your fellow man." That is the resounding message and as a black man...I get it. It's all up to me.
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Southernbelle
Comment: Thanks Kara. I heard the speech last night on CNN and at no point do I re-call Obama specifying "we" as in African Americans. I took "we" as all Americans.
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Exmun
Comment: Quanli, You said "I have beef with so-called black news outlets giving us the same okey doke as all others." I do too. I shake my head about how trite EUR is about their words and the stuff they choose to 'share'... often two days late.
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huey
Comment: musbdherbs ---he has givend credit to both al and jesse on any number of occassions.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Name: Dean32 Comment: Various Black Men, Leaders, and Speakers have been saying this same take responsiblity line to black men for YEARS. And to the Black Women I say " Stop having babies with these same men you say are not men. The majority of black women know these guys and still have babies with them and then complain." Dean..nope no one has been saying but
Cosby and Obama. Also, nope black women aren't at fault. Black men lure them into bed, spit their warm seed, and leave them for broke. That's what black men do. *singing the old gospel song* E---very-day is a day for bashing black men. We've been so bad to the world. Everyday we're trashing it. E---veryday, is a day for male bashing.
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kwrob
Comment: musbdherbs,
No he didn't mention Al and Jesse specifically last night, but he started his speech by mentioning that MLK started the bus boycott when he was 26, how John Lewis was only 25 when he strted doing his work, and how Julian Bond was in his twenties when he started in politics. Again the focus was youth night, and those praises were at the beginning of his speech.
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naturalsista
Comment: i just read the whole speech and no where in the speech did he say he was specifically addressing blacks and that we must alone must take responsiblity. what barack said about responsiblity is "...it's about the responsibilities we all share for the future we hold in common. it's about each and every one of us doing our part to build that more perform union." i assume because he gave it an naacp event that the msm thinks it was geared towards black people but i am sure there were others in the audience besides blacks. and to answer the question - yes i expect news in addition to entertainment from eurweb rather than sensationalism since it is supposed to be a portal for all that is black such as news, entertainment, dialogue, etc.
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musbdherbs
Comment: huey..and what better time to show his "conciliatory" stance than to mention two of our great leaders at the NAACP of all events? He can't make a speech w/out licking praises on the two people who did more damage to his campaign by planting the racial seed. But, this is a campaign...he is a politician.
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kwrob
Comment: And also, he's talked to Al on Al's show on a number of occasions. Plus, why would Obama give a shout out to Jesse a few days after Jesse was "overheard" saying he would cut Obama's nutz off? Would you publicly praise somebody who would want to physically take your manhood?
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JamerDelta
Comment: >>Hey Musb. I hope all is well. I could always count on you to say something that really shone a light on issues, but for the past couple of days, you've had me pretty perplexed man-- with very little clue of where you're coming from. You've got to admit when you write something that has MelodyUncool agreeing with and using as a foundation for her arguments that something may be off. LOL****** What exactly has happened? Are you just trying to be the bee in the ointment? I'm not really clear on your stance anymore--I know that you're too smart to see Obama as a savior so you know that you gotta see the big picture in this election-right????
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kwrob
Comment: naturalsista,
There was a cross section of people down there, young, old, Black, White, Asian, and Latino. There were the mothers and fathers of the sturggle down there, as well as the babies.
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huey
Comment: musbdherbs --im confused by what u are saying barack should do....why would he contiunally level praise at those two at the naacp convintion? al is head of the national action network and jesse is head of the rainbow coailtion....obama was speaking at the naacp. Ben Jealous is the head of that organization. people would have been wondering what in the world was wrong with barack. why is he heaping praise on the head of the wrong organizations...
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Quanli
Comment: musbdherbs, by great leaders I hope you are not referring to Al and Jesse. They have their place, yes, but the extent of their leadership is entirely arguable. Also Obama did mention paying homage to those who came before us.
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PTown
Comment: Ultimately what I think Rak was trying to say, is that we can't wait for 40 acres and a mule, we cannot wait for reparations, and despite our upbringing (which could or could not have been pleasant), we need to make a choice. And sometimes that includes falling on your own sword - which ultimately he means accepting responsibility for your actions, atoning for them (which is all people want is honesty), and then go from there.
I don't think that he is clowning black fathers more than he is describing the desperate need that we have. We need them no less (contrary to some people's opinions) that we need mothers. We have never been designed (neither men or women) to go it alone, and there is where the frustration comes from.
I believe that he is calling us to be self reliant, and self contained, and not waiting for any handouts, because frankly, we're not going to get any. I believe he wants us to position ourselves and prepare ourselves to be HIRE-ABLE without any baggage (though I'm far from DUMB - Some people will still not like the fact that my skin is brown), but being an HR professional, I can tell you that most of the time, people are looking to hire the BEST candidate (doesn't happen all the time, again I'm no fool).
I think that Rak has a great affinity for black folks. I also believe that Jesse and Al do as well. However, in their 'time', for lack of a better word, we needed what they had: Demanding our rights, protesting for us, and making room for advancements, so that we could get to a place (and we are NOT there yet) where someone like Rak can say that. Someone on here said that yes, black folks are all for personal responsibility. They are right. We've just never had a public figure show it as much, and as a result, sometimes YT thinks that we want handouts, when actually all we want is the same thing that everybody wants for themselves and their families.
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Dean32
Comment: Musbdherds; Are you saying that well educated, smart, and poorly educated, dumb black women think the same way. That having babies with non responsible black men is the act of a weak minded black woman lured in bed. And you call me a "nope". I glad all Black women are not "STUPID THINKING" like you sound.
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Mas90
Comment: Huey.... I thought the same thing before my first post. They likely don't have internet access.
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katgrrrl
Comment: MelodyCool: I luv ya, cuz. You remind me of the Lynne Thigpen (RIP) character in the movie Stand By Me. I'm gonna give you a cyber-hug cos I get the impression you weren't hugged enough in your adolescence. <> Kofi, let's say we do call out the racists tryna destroy the black community. They'd give us a big "yeah, and...?", themselves a hi-five and keep it movin'. It's up to US to help US. I ain't mad at Obama.
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JGGIRL
Comment: I just read the speech and I agree with whomever said that Barack never mentioned black folk specifically. That speech could apply to anyone. I thought it was excellent. Hit dog will holler.
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katgrrrl
Comment: Ooops! Not Stand By Me, but Lean On Me with Morgan Freeman.
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kwrob
Comment: And somehting else, there was no violence, not even a an argument that I could see. Really the only disagreement that I witnessed was from myself when I was talking to one of the volunteers for one of the candidates down there. And that was only because one of her co-workers approached my 5 year-old daughter, who was sitting behind me, and gave her a campaign sticker without asking me first while I was talking to my son. The problem was she did it without my permission, and after I already told her I didn't want one. Then this other woman had the nerve to try and run down the candidate's platform to me, and the first thing out of her mouth was that the lady works with children in Africa, as if that's going to the one thing that will sell me on her campaign.
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huey
Comment: katgrrrl ---I glad u have more patience than i with MelodyCool, she gets on my nerves with her downright ingnent azzed comments. she brings nothing to the table but partican bullswip...what a loser she is...
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Mas90
Comment: I think MELODYCOOL was raped (mentally) by lightskinned, mulatto, pretty boy, cornbread, peacan, mello yello men. Cause she is str8 hating Barack.
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kwrob
Comment: UH OH, now we got a real race for our votes going on. Cynthia McKinney has just been named the candidate for the Green Party over the weekend. And she was named in Chicago of all places. How do think this race is going to turn out now? Does that help McCain more?
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khufu
Comment: Cynthia McKinney announced her Green Party candidacy about a year ago......i told yall...
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Lee Daniels awrote a book called "Last Chance for Black FOlks...."
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katgrrrl
Comment: Huey: LOL, someone last week likened Melody to the crazy cousin kept hidden in the basement. That put it all into perspective for me. At the end of the day, she's still family. Honestly, I think she's a redneck yt w/too much time on her hands and an agenda to lessen Obama support, but we're all God's chil'ens. Anywho, I may not agree with her... Okay, I DON'T agree with her. At all! But she's entitled to her opinion. Like Bigchassie said "either support this man or don't. Everybody has a choice in this election."
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khufu
Comment: Black men and their familial irresponsibility goes back to slavery and until THAT is addressed and dealed with properly, it wont change no matter how much Obama says it...Cosby says it or anyone else.....
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huey
Comment: Mas90 --i think MELODYCOOL is masquerading as a black when in fact she is an electronic mole...lurking around in black forums and throwing dust...she probably goes by another moniker in some other forum...i peeped her cards long ago...
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khufu
Comment: Read Joy Leary, Naim Akbar and Franz Fanon to have meaningful understand and discussion about all the dysfunctional and pathological circumstances, experiences, lifestyles, etc facing Black folks.....
and after we identify the historical, cultural, social and political causes for our present day conditions WE MUST DO SOMETHING
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khufu
Comment: I hope that Obama properly attributes the cause of the dysfunctional behaviour exhibited by Black men to AMerican slavery, Jim Crow, etc
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Mas90
Comment: HUEY...It wouldn't surprise me. You know YT is always in effect.
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: I agree with what Obama said, especially the part where he said "And I know that the nin elittle children did not walk through a schoolhouse door in Little Rock so that we could stand by and let our children drop out of school and turn to gangs for the support they are not getting elsewhere."
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BlkATLTop
Comment: Kufu- any thoughts on "how this should be addressed and dealth with properly?
khufu Comment: Black men and their familial irresponsibility goes back to slavery and until THAT is addressed and dealed with properly, it wont change no matter how much Obama says it...Cosby says it or anyone else.....
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khufu
Comment: another good book
Just How Stupid Are We?: Facing the Truth About the American Voter (Hardcover)
by Rick Shenkman
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Name:
Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: Over 100 posts and it's not even noon! Wow! I didn't read all of them, so if I repeat something already mentioned then please forgive me. I don't have an issue with what Obama is saying. It's not new, and it's the truth. However, I'm wondering why he feels the need to say it SO OFTEN?
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katgrrrl
Comment: Khufu: I agree. Slavery had a lot to do with it! But back then, the yt man was forcing families apart. Selling off family members n' wotnot. Who's forcing our families apart TODAY?
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BlkATLTop
Comment: I thought Melody Cool went to an HBCU??
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khufu
Comment: BLKAT...like any social or psychological dysfuntion or pathology: therapy..........
individually and collectively
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Name:
khufu
Comment: KATGRLL...have you ever studied psychology? Especially Jungian?
if a woamn who is 67 was sexually abused when she was 6 and she never got therapy (and even if she did), she would FOREVER be tramatized y the experience........and the trama could and would be pased on to her children and so on.......
got the analogy?
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gingerg
Comment: Look here, some of that is true about slavery and the impact on the black family, but how long are we going to blame other folks for our poor personal choices and then look for the system to bail us out? It ain't happening. Other folks are not responsible for what goes on in our bedrooms and the fact that some of us willingly have children with people that we KNOW can't take care of themselves much less another human being.
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BlkATLTop
Comment: Kattgirl- It must have been a gene that was passed on from generation to generation- because my cousin (with babies in almost every county in Virginia) is too young to remember Jim Crow, segregation
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huey
Comment: BlkATLTop ---yea,,,and HBCU alright, stands for "Her Brain Can't Understand"...
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Name:
khufu
Comment: now we are hearing about POst Traumatic STress related to soldiers in Iraq.....why is it hard for Black folks to understand the disorder as it relates to Black folks?
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Name:
barnone
Comment: khufu> comment "i hope BO properly attributes the cause of....to slavery, Jim Crow, etc." u of all people know better than that. that would b political suicide. although i agree that the aforementioned is at the root of the dysfunctional AA community i also strongly feel that it is time 4 us 2 take accountability 4 ourselves. yes identify the cause, but we can't get stuck on that. we know that cointelpro, the Black Wall Street bombing, yt supremacy r real, but where do we go from there. it is what it is. yt folk have shown us who they r. let's believe them and move on. the devil ain't gonna stop being the devil. he is who he is.
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gingerg
Comment: Also, if brothers are so powerless and incapable of making sound decisions, taking care of their families, respecting their women, etc. doesn't that suggest that the stereotypes and lies that were spread during slavery and after are true?
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khufu
Comment: GINGER>..there is a difference between BLAME and ATTRIBUTION.......you kow the difference?
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: BLKATL... In almost every county! LOL! Damn!
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: MelodyCool's issue with Obama is the race of his mother - plain and simple.
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Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: (Danged Submit button...) I can understand him giving those remarks last nite at the NAACP event. It was appropriate. But he also made similar remarks at the town hall meeting in Powder Srpings, GA last week (I was there), and at places other than that church on Father's Day. Obama, we get it. We need to get our stuff together. Cosby was correct when he said it, and we heard him. We got it. Why do you feel the need to continually talk about it? On a national stage where more than just black people are listening? I wonder if Michelle has mentioned that to him...
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BlkATLTop
Comment: LOL at Huey
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khufu
Comment: every single medical profession does what's called "case history" for their clients and subjects.......history has an impact on the present
market research is based on analysis of historical trends and patters....
why when we talk about the situation of Black folks, Black folks say "History should be left alone"?
WHen you go into a job interview---dont they review your past employment?
when youre on a job, and they review your performance--dont they look at your history?
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naturalsista
Comment: to cosign with khufu some things are ingrained in the psyche and since slavery was a horrific experience that did not end with the emancipation proclamation it was and is carried forth. therapy whether with a trained counselor or by reading books like the aforementioned is a start...knowledge of self is a healer...
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BlkATLTop
Comment: Mas 90- yes, he has hit up counties from Richmond going east towards Hampton Roads area.
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BlkATLTop
Comment: Ok at Baracks next speech, he should hand out books
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khufu
Comment: is there anything in the wolrd that can be properly addressed, reviewed, discussed or analyzed without looking at it historically?
you exist because of the hsitorical act of sex between your parents....
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Mas90
Comment: stereotypes have some truth behind them.
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gingerg
Comment: naturalsista, you know a lot of black people don't believe in therapy. Also, all the therapy in the world is not going to stop an irresponsible man from recklessly spreading his seed or change the minds/hearts of the women who bear their children only to see them suffer from lack. The white is not responsible for that.
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khufu
Comment: so I agree with Obama and Cosby and whoever else that the responsibility is ours...we cannot blame white folks HOWEVER, we must first attribute the cause of our condition to its historical origins and roots.......
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CRENEEJ
Comment: I don't have a problem w/ MELODY voicing her opinion. if you don't like it, don't read it or just don't respond.... that being said HUEY, i'd check myself before ranting on about me and my opinions. i'm supporting BO, but am not doing it blindly. he's the less of 2 evils in my opinion. again, adress this: would he make a similar speech to a Hispanic or yt organization? if not, then STFU!!! he is taking for granted the fact that he has some of us in the bag. maybe 'airing our dirty laundry' wasn't the best way to say it, but the point is that we already know this stuff. and for those who think Jesse and Al have done nothing, what have you done? and if you really wanna look at who's doing us in, it's US. it's all of us who buy the negative albums, watch the videos, buy the clothes, watch the shows.... so this is bigger than BO, but we don't need him to always say it. we already know... and you're talking about a minority. as Chris Rock said, i love black people, but i hate nyggas. we all know that stuff.
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khufu
Comment: No he doesnt have to hand out books...he needs to have Joy Leary as one of his advisors and refer to her work next time when he talks about whant Black men need to do to be responsible.....him and Cosby
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dcdouglass01
Comment: bigchassie: "...and the only way november will be an embarrasment is if we don't get out and vote..." Barack has my vote. My criticisms to him are like those I'd lob toward my biological brother. But something is going on. It's like when Eddie Murphy, in a Saturday Night Live skit, disguised as a white man, went into a store, and discovered that---when white people were alone---the white cashier wouldn't charge the white customer anything, but let him/her have their items for free. I sense some other such pact slowly forming, where white folk (McCain supporters, Hillary supporters, the straight-up racists) are whispering to each other: "we ain't letting this n*gger lead us." Paranoia? Crazy? Yeah, maybe I'm losing my mind. But Obama needs to get more aggressive towards McCain, or this historic opportunity will be lost.
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khufu
Comment: SIGH here we go again..
Dring SLavery Black men were socialized to be irresponsible as they were Bucks and breeders..taught and used to make babies so the slavemasters could sell them.....during this period of socialization (we learn what we live), Black men became indifferent and insensitive to family commitment as they wre often faced with the reality that their off spring could be sold off at any minute
Black men in AMerica were historically BUCKS and BREEDERS....so, if that's true, what did that socialization do to the Black woman?
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: Interesting speech but I'm also getting concerned about how the highlights seem to be only about how horrible AAs are, yes I realize there is more to each speech he has given but at this point I do need to hear about what he is going to do as President, food prices, gas prices, continued lay offs, a war etc., need more details about that instead of constantly preaching to the choir saying the things that have been said since before Martin Luther King was alive. None of this is new and there needs to be a change of venue, instead of talking to people that already know, take it to the people who are actually having the problems described in the speech and as I said about Cobsy offer another solution aside from stop that, don't do etc. Yes we are in jeopardy but as with every body who has said this they have not addressed how these problems have occurred, and how to deal with some people who do not seem to have the ability to resolve the issue on their own without help. If we have to talk about this, how about Obama saying that he is going to assure that each school no matter where has appropriate tools to teach, teachers have higher salaries, perhaps mandated parenting and nutrition classes epecially if you are receiving public assistance, reinstatement of funding for the after school social centers emphasizing tutoring, reading, computer skills etc. keep in mind not every parent is gifted enought to help with homework. Perhaps a change in the laws so that two parent families get incentives like so that it isn't easier for daddy's income not to be counted to get benefits for medical and groceries if you are at a certain income.
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gingerg
Comment: Don't tell me black men are not capable of being responsible husbands, fathers, etc. They are not mindless beings driven by their physical whims as was promoted prior to, during and after slavery. Using that tired excuse about how they were socialized doesn't even play well with the NAACP. It is time to wake up and straighten up! How do you think black men who conduct themselves properly and do what they are supposed to do feel about that? Frankly, it is condescending and insulting.
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khufu
Comment: right on...write on:
Name: SweetieDarlin Comment: Interesting speech but I'm also getting concerned about how the highlights seem to be only about how horrible AAs are, yes I realize there is more to each speech he has given but at this point I do need to hear about what he is going to do as President, food prices, gas prices, continued lay offs, a war etc., need more details about that instead of constantly preaching to the choir saying the things that have been said since before Martin Luther King was alive.
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gingerg
Comment: Also, Joy Leary hasn't come up with something novel. She wasn't the first person to talk about post traumatic stress disorder associated with slavery and its aftermath and she won't be the last.
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katgrrrl
Comment: Khufu, I get it. It's like how people do things that they can't explain. Then go to therapy, discuss their parents and see why they do what they do. It was passed down. Only when the problem is recognised and addressed, can the negative pattern end. Some of us are sweeping it under the rug or ignoring it all together...or like my buddy MelodyCool, gettin' mad at whomever is so bold to mention it. I gotcha, bro. But we can turn it around NOW! When are we gonna stop blaming others? Obama's only wasting his breath IF WE don't actively take responsibility for ourselves.
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khufu
Comment: Ginnger youre looking for an argument.....I never said they/we couldnt be...did I say that?
Nor did I say Joy Leary was the first. If you read what I said, I listed Fanon and Akbar who both were predecessors to Leary as was Jung whose collective unconscious theory is the basis for anyone who espouses the notion that behaviour can be passed down through generations
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musbdherbs
Comment: Jamer..all is well in the land of herb and honey...lol I am still 100% in Obama's corner. I have been witnessing things that I have been uncomfortable w/re: black folk. Make Farrakhan, Jessie, Al or anything identifiably "non-ken doll like" a pariah to Obama's candidacy and ultimate presidency. I notice how we are willing (good or bad) to accept the situation Obama is in, rebuke ourselves all in the name of electing him. Kewl. I happen to wonder what happens when he does become president? Black men have been fodder for people who mean us no good for too long. Obama adding fuel to that fire is bothersome. As much as we talk about Cosby, HE admitted that he had second thoughts on how he initially chose to talk about "us" because he didn't realize that it was just "us" who were watching. I read his book and enjoyed it immensely. At the same time, I criticized him heavily because I felt that he was allowing himself to become a pawn for the media. Despite the good, simple advice found w/in the book (balanced diets, doing homework w/your kids, taking them to museums, speaking to each other on the street etc) most of his interviews dealt w/the more headline worthy discussions. BLACK ON BLACK CRIME, 70% of black babies, speaking incorrect english etc. which represented the smallest part of the book. BUT, that's how it will always be remembered because that's what the media wants to focus on. That's the problem I see w/Obama's "black men" speeches. Yeah it's good to talk about, good to hear. But at what cost? Perpeutating falsehood? Black folk aren't knocking him for speaking the truth. Black folk aren't feeding their kids popeyes for b'fast. As much as we like to say that Obama is talking about "everybody"....what yt folk is her referring to w/popeyes chicken?
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huey
Comment: CRENEEJ --if i aint mistaken i didnt say anything to you about your post but if was to say something to you it would be kiss my black azz.
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khufu
Comment: yes KATGRLLL...if couples go to therapy, first thing always asked it: "What happened?" and "Who did what?" History and attribution are tantamount to anything
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gingerg
Comment: It's not how horrible African Americans are, it is reminding us that we have the power and responsibility to make individual and collective changes for the betterment of our families and communities. I take the message in spirit in which it was intended. If the shoe fits, wear it even though it might pinch one of your sore bunions every one in a while. Wear that shoe and step right on!
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barnone
Comment: CRENEJ> do u have children? if so do u address them the same as u do children u have no connection 2? i have children. i don't allow them 2 watch certain things on the tel-I-vision b-cuz i understand the detriments of it. i don't allow them 2 eat yt sugar, yt flour, etc. b-cua i understand the detriments of it. so many people keep asking this. y doesn't he give the same speech to hispanics, other groups. do i not have a vested interest 2 c MY children do their best. u can't c the parallelity (sp). as a black man who was abandoned by his black father u don't think he has a vested interest n black men reclaiming their communities, being accountable? is it really that difficult to understand?
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crazilyz
Comment: This reminds me of the static that Bill Cosby received when he was addressing the maladies with the community. It seems that folks want to acknowledge that something's wrong but only want to keep it to themselves. A few months ago, I was listening to a morning radio show when the commentators were saying that Obama in office will shift the thinking of some folks. To this day, there are some that think they can't go to college but Obama squashes that theory because he has a BA and a law degree from Ivy League institutions.
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bigchassie
Comment: HUEY>CTHEYLLPP! LOL! *waving at KHUFU* HEY SWEETUMS!!
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Mas90
Comment: LOL! @ Huey... kiss my blk azz LOL! Hilarious.
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khufu
Comment: yes agreed
Name: gingerg Comment: It's not how horrible African Americans are, it is reminding us that we have the power and responsibility to make individual and collective changes for the betterment of our families and communities.
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JamerDelta
Comment: Could someone please explain to me this idea that he shouldn't be talking about these issues on a national stage--or the airing of dirty laundry thing. I don't get that--I really don't. It certainly isn't my dirty laundry--in fact if you're living right you don't have dirty laundry and what's wrong with him speaking on the ills that are important to him???Isn't that why he's a candidate--to help solve these problems--should he keep the ideas to himself? Help me understand please. It 'aint like the whole nation doesn't know these problems exist...
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CRENEEJ
Comment: HUEY, oh, but u did: huey: CRENEEJ --go do you homework, you dont know what you are talking about and youre sounding real ignorant. tellin me to kiss ur azz is real ignorant, but then again i don't expect anything but ignorance from ignorant people. i'm voicing my opinion. so what if you don't agree, stop bashing people who don't agree w/ u. that's why 24% give or take of HRC supporters are supporting mccain. some BO supporters were so nasty to HRC supporters that they'd rather vote for mccain than vote for BO. not saying it's a good idea, but you can't constantly berate a person and then expect them to come to your aid.... and in that case it's BO's supporters that are hurting him with some of HRC's supporters. just think on that. but u still didn't answer. would he have said anything about yt or hispanic/latino dead beats?
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barnone
Comment: GOD chastises those whom HE loves.
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khufu
Comment: but GINGER how did we arrive and when did we arrive at the condition we are in/at now? a sick person has first got to know that they can be well...that the state of sickness is not normal...and in doing that, historical origin for the sickness (CAUSE) has to be determined....what Obama does and Cosby is talk about the symptoms and not the cause of the sickness
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khufu
Comment: hey MUS and BIGCHASSIE...
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: DCDOUGLAS>yeah, i know what you mean. we shall see how he will be when the presidential debates start.
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CRENEEJ
Comment: barnone, i have 2 sons, and yes i do have more of a vested interest in them, but not to the detriment of another child. i understand what he's saying, but i don't really believe your theory that he has more of a vested interest in black america. it'd be nice if he did, but i'm not seeing that....
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naturalsista
Comment: gingerg therein lies the problem. we don't want to and we can't afford therapy. the irresponsible male who spreads his seed is unknowingly acting like the enslaved male on the plantation who was lent out to impregnate as many enslaved women as possible to ensure massa a work force. the only thing now is that the plantation is now the prison complex system. from what i've seen of this type of male is that they are enabled by the female to carry on this type of behavior and it all seems to stem from lack of self esteem by both parties. i will retreat though and say there is no one answer. each person is accountable for themselves and must want to and seek change. it is complex but not insurmountable.
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katgrrrl
Comment: "...if couples go to therapy, first thing always asked it: "What happened?" and "Who did what?" History and attribution are tantamount to anything" YES, Khufu! They discuss what's been done in the past and how they've dealt with it and they learn new ways to handle situations in the future so that they can prosper and NOT go back to their old, damaging ways. YES! Teaches them to recognize their past so that they're not doomed to repeat it.
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barnone
Comment: "why 24% give or take of HRC supporters are supporting mccain. some BO supporters were so nasty to HRC supporters that they'd rather vote for mccain than vote for BO" CRENEEJ that's straight BS. those people r just trying 2 rationalize their doing something that don't make uncommon sense. so mccain has their interest at heart. cmon now. get real. they just don't want 2 vote 4 the man and should b straight up about it.
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Name:
yunvme
Comment: Is there anything to be said about my fellow Barack supporters that said they would stay home, or not vote if Hillary got the nomination?
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Name:
huey
Comment: CRENEEJ --i made that comment yesterday. i didnt say anything to your comments today. i didnt know u wanted to keep a running tab on when we comment on each others post.hence, for the record, since i failed to tell you to kiss my azz yesterday, then please kiss my azz in a retroactive manner.
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khufu
Comment: KAT and when have we been "de briefed" as a people coming out of slavery?
Name: katgrrrl Comment: Teaches them to recognize their past so that they're not doomed to repeat it.
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bigchassie
Comment: DCDOUG>i think he'll be ready though. he better be ready! he got to come with it!
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barnone
Comment: "each person is accountable for themselves and must want to and seek change." NATURALSISTA> i disagree. we as a community r collectively responsible 4 1 another. we used 2 understand/know this. if u know better reach out 2 those and teach those who don't know. show that young sista u c on the way side how 2 b better. give back 2 the community. mentor a child.
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khufu
Comment: people tell us what we should do but I would love to hear Obama or Cosby say...I WILL CREATE A FUND FOR THOSE DESCENDANTS OF SLAVES WHO WANT TO RECEIVE FREE THERAPY IN ORDER TO STOP DYSFUNCTION TO DO SO
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khufu
Comment: yes "each person is ultimately for their own choices" but "we are our brothers and sisters keepers"....another divinely supported dilemma.....
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Name:
justafu
Comment: Not that this makes much difference so to speak but does anybody know or has anybody read why Barack's father left & what happened that made him leave and/or lead to the breakup between him & BO's mom?
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CRENEEJ
Comment: barnone, whatever their reason is, they're not voting for him. there was a lot of discord between HRC and BO supporters when she was still in the race. that does carry over. people don't always make the best decisions. i know it's better to vote for BO then mccain which is why i am voting, but i supported HRC and was proud to do it. no HUEY, you said that up there. i have no desire to kiss your or anyone else's azz, i just think it's really juvenile to resort to that. JMHO
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CRENEEJ
Comment: oh, and HUEY, for the record, i didn't say anything b/c i wasn't on here yesterday.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Name: naturalsista Comment: "The irresponsible male who spreads his seed is unknowingly acting like the enslaved male on the plantation who was lent out to impregnate as many enslaved women as possible to ensure massa a work force. From what i've seen of this type of male is that they are enabled by the female to carry on this type of behavior and it all seems to stem from lack of self esteem by both parties." Yep, another black male who gets it that we are the destructive force in our community.
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barnone
Comment: khufu> they wouldn't even have 2 do that. they could simply start national therapy groups, something like AA. instead of oprah spending so much time addressing other "issues" on her shows, she could address this. instead of dr. phil, dr. oz, etc. she could have dr. naim akbar, dr. frances cress welsing, etc.
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khufu
Comment: MUS yep:
as Black men were made promiscuious and irresponsible during slavery so were women...ah, how he sistahs seems to forget that
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Name:
barnone
Comment: KHUFU> SOME sistas not all 4get that. let's not turn this n2 a brothas against sistas debate. WE have been damaged. WE need healing.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along?" [kicks a pebble]
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Name:
CrazzeeGyrl
Comment: Here's my two cents. My girlfriend dated a white guy for a while. She was impregnated by him. To this day he does not deal with the little girl he helped to conceive. One day the little girl was playing outside over a friend's house. A guest of one of the neighbors was coming out of the house and noticed her and started talking to her and telling her she was a pretty little girl. Turns out, dude didn't know he was talking to his daughter. Damn shame. As time went on they eventually met again and he was told about that particular day. She wrote him a hateful letter but her mother urged her not to give it to him. Anyway, he is now a man of the cloth, he is married to a white woman has other children and STILL does not talk to his daughter. She asked him how could he talk about God to other people and not acknowledge her. I said all that to say that responsiblity know no race.
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JamerDelta
Comment: >>barnone...I definitely agree with you. John McClain is not even speaking TO us much less ABOUT us. He don't give a %*$! whether black babies have daddies or whether they're eating anything much less popeye's. Barack has talked about social issues, parenting and schools from the beginning and I'm glad he cares. MUSB, I get what you're saying, but don't let the media guide you. I'm sure you know everything they do is for Ratings and sensationalism--look at the man's spirit and intention about these issues--have we gotten so cynical that we can't believe that a black man cares what happens to the black community--especially one with black daughters-- try to look beyond the words and see the intention...
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musbdherbs
Comment: Jamer...my problem is aptly demonstrated by naturalsista's recent post and those on this board. Everybody is on this board talking about the message "we" need to hear. Analyzing "our" community's problem. However, I have yet to read any message that talks about our problems outside of "black men." I wear a 9 1/2 and that shoe doesn't fit me. That does not mean that I should just be gung-ho about each and every time there is a discussion about what "we" need to do...black men are the sole focus of the discussion. Have you, at any point during this OR Cosby's tirades heard anyone focus on black women....other than how black men have failed them? Hell, the day that americans reserved for all the good men out in the world (Father's Day) could not have gone by w/MORE focus on what black men aren't doing. Plainly, I am getting sick and fkng tired of hearing about what people who look like me aren't doing. If you got your shyt right..good for you. But, it is not good that the only good things you hear about black men are bad. Is it something wrong w/talking about how the brotha in the hood made some'n out of himself. That's not a abnormal story. It's an everyday fkng story. More black men were not in prison than in college. Most black men are fathers to their children. Most blacks in the hood do raise "good" kids. The incessant need to "air our dirty laundry" is not airing the "our" laundry. It's painting black men as what society sees them as. Would it damage Obama to have a wall full of "real" black men standing strong behind him in ANY sort of event? Prolly not and he prolly will never do it. But, he would have a wall full of black women...or yt women for that matter. I need a mid-day drink cuz ya'll rising my pressure again.
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lovebites
Comment: Oprah is trying to keep her show on. The ratings have dropped and she needs a outlets in order to boost her other companies. As for O I say STOP THE BULLSH*T AND BE UNITED NOT DIVIDED. THIS IS WHAT THE GOVERNMENT WANTS. LET DO THE RIGHT THING. THINK FOR YOURSELVES. DON'T BE BLIND TO THE TRUTH AND GET UP GET OUT AND DO SOMETHING.
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MelodyCool
Comment: CRENEEJ, Obama reeked of phoniness during her "lecture" to the NAACP. For all those trying to say he was "not" speaking to blacks only...oh yes he was and he got down on your level to prove it. Everybody else knows that...why don't you? Obama is an embarrassment and those congratulating themselves for swallowing his bullshyt must have some serious issues if you need that kind of "talking down to". Obama will continue holding you up for humiliating public beatings. I'm voting for McKinney and could care less about Obama. He has no love or respect for you black folks...keep believing he's showing you tough love. How utterly sad. Obama seems to believe he's now MLK and Malcolm X all rolled into one when talking "down" to blacks. He's putting on a "show" and buck dancing to save his life. Why aren't the social ills of different audiences exposed? No ones sees that as peculiar, huh? Keep waiting for your smooth "messiah"...at some point you'll have to drop the pretense over what he's doing in your face. Now whites will be coming up to bat with the same tired rhetoric as if it's original. I don't want any of them trying to come up discussing that cretin Obama! Let's see how long you're suck him up watching as he doles out free passes right in your face. It's a sad day for America. And for those loons hoping I've been raped as a youngster...then you are indeed the "type" that need of Obama-style back-handed drivel. Good luck to you pathetic suckers cause that's all you are for a charletan from way back! SAD SAD SAD?!
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musbdherbs
Comment: JAmer...everybody should know that I am the biggest media critic. So I pay them little. But, most of us do not. The "most of us" aren't the most damaging because we talk half-truths as whole-truths and do a symposium about 'em. Clarence Thomas is a black man, Juan Williams is a black man, Jessie Petterson is a black man. All of whom may have good intentions. BUT, they too allow themselves to be used. Obama can't be too "i'm black and you need to hear it" that he affords the same for himself.
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Name:
Big10
Comment: I don't understand why people criticize Barack Obama and Bill Cosby when they "Tell it like it is". Hell, I don't care if the comments came from Clarence Thomas or Armstrong Williams, the truth is the truth.
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naturalsista
Comment: barnone - disagree if you like but i still say it starts with personal accountability. you can't make anybody do anything they don't want to. to finish my post since i was interrupted with work however, when what affects them, affects me, and i help anyway i can. accountability and responsiblity go hand in hand. i don't take offense at your statement about what i should do because you don't know me but me and hubby are very involved in our community. being collectively responsible goes beyond what you mentioned but extends to this phenomenon i'm not quite understanding where people stand around while 1 person is getting the crap beat out of them by 5 or more people. this has happened twice to young ladys and the only ones to step forward to break it up was me and hubby on one occasion and hubby the other time. we did it without regard to personal safety but did it becuase it was the right thing to do and also because if it were my one of my children i would want someone to step forward and help. so yes we give back to our black community in many ways...i would love to stay and chat but duty calls. i'll check back at lunch...
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Name:
CaliRedbone
Comment: Barack delivered a speech on the war in Iraq and national security in Washington, DC this morning. He laid out his strategy for making America safer: ending the war in Iraq responsibly; finishing the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban; securing nuclear weapons and materials from terrorists and rogue states; achieving true energy security; and rebuilding our alliances to meet the challenges of the 21st century.
He said...
I am running for President of the United States to lead this country in a new direction – to seize this moment’s promise. Instead of being distracted from the most pressing threats that we face, I want to overcome them. Instead of pushing the entire burden of our foreign policy on to the brave men and women of our military, I want to use all elements of American power to keep us safe, and prosperous, and free. Instead of alienating ourselves from the world, I want America – once again – to lead.
As President, I will pursue a tough, smart and principled national security strategy – one that recognizes that we have interests not just in Baghdad, but in Kandahar and Karachi, in Tokyo and London, in Beijing and Berlin. I will focus this strategy on five goals essential to making America safer: ending the war in Iraq responsibly; finishing the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban; securing all nuclear weapons and materials from terrorists and rogue states; achieving true energy security; and rebuilding our alliances to meet the challenges of the 21st century.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Crazzeegirl... That is a shame he didn't know that was his own daughter. makes him look stupid. See, we all have to think about who we procreate with. Not everyone is ready for fatherhood/motherhood. DAMN people realize you don't have to procreate in the first place! SH*T!
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Name:
CaliRedbone
Comment: http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/amandasc ott/gGxkFr
thats the link for yall' that read...
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Name:
JamerDelta
Comment: >>Khufu-with all due respect there is free therapy available for anyone who seeks it at all income levels. So, if people want it, they can get it.
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Name:
Big10
Comment: By the way, finally a NAACP convention without the usual whining about how we are portrayed on tv or in the movies, or even something else petty. But then again, it's still early.
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Name:
Stephanie
Comment: yunvme, I agree with you but the truth be told, we as black people are irresponsible. How many white teenagers you see doing drive by shootings. 50% of african americans have bad credit, we'd rather buy bling then save the money, we'd rather go to jail then college. We are already sterotyped and we live up to those stereotypes every day and it gives the white man more and more leverage. We have it bad and I agree, we need to be reminded of it because if we are the original people and that's why we can do anything better than a WHITE man but yet we're still stuck in that slave mentality. I agree with Obama, get your azzes up and do better so we can take over this country and handle our business!
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musbdherbs
Comment: and again..what "community" was popeyes chicken referring to? It surely wasn't yt folk. It also wasn't Alexis of the suburbs. It was poor black folk...the butt of all thats unacceptable in society. Hence, the term ghetto.
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ladybyrd
Comment: ...And this is why we can't move forward. I agree with Obama and it was said at the proper venue. You are correct, he's not the first one to deliver this message. There are some that feels threaten, that if he can inspire a generation to do things differently that would mean that they failed. There are still causes that Jesse and Al can fight. I have never heard the brothers (Al & Jesse) speak about the staggering drop out rate, have you?
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selina1984
Comment: Wow...
Congratulation!!!he is a great man,support him.
many fans on a tall dating site ____Tallmingle.com____ will be happy now,especially those models.
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ladybyrd
Comment: Herb> For the record, I have seen kids each hamburgers for dinner. As someone put it, you would be surprised what people are feeding their kids. Some black kids are going to school hungry, because there's no breakfast. Just because it's not happening to you, doesn't mean that it didn't happen.
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Calidee
Comment: Obama was clearly trying to pander to white voters. If that's what it takes to become President, so be it. However, Obama knows Black folks and at some point he has to talk to us of us who are responsible and are doing the right thing. Let's focus on them sometimes. I know that there are a lot of Black fathers who are not being fathers. But the majority of the Black fathers that I know are very good fathers. This is my reality and I'm sure that it's the reality of other Blacks. The "personal responsibility" and "be a good father" speech is important, but it is tired because it has become the "Black speech". It's the standard message that is given to Black people whenever we are in a large group. The funny thing is that the people who need to hear the message the most are not sitting in the audience. The message in the "Black Speech" is universal and there are a lot of non-Black people who need to hear this message. I hope Obama talks to them, even though they ain't gonna listen.
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JamerDelta
Comment: >>musb, again with all due respect, I think you are taking this too personally. I understand the frustration, but trust and believe that there are a lot of people out there who know positive brothers and know that they are the majority. The fact is that as human beings, we tend to look at the negative and that is what sells papers and has people writing on blogs lol! My feeling about all this is to start at the mirror which is the only place that you can 100% make a difference and then from there be an inspiration to others. I belive that to be true about Obama as well. He went through a lot trying to figure out who he was as a black man. I'm sure it took a lot of introspection and responsibility on his part.
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khufu
Comment: JAMER...do you think black people should seek therapy for Post Traumatic Stress or Slave Syndrome? Have you?
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khufu
Comment: BAR that was not my intent...apologies
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HersheysKiss
Comment: Selina..you have got to be the most irritating person that comes on these threads. Never contributing anything of value except some B.S. dating site. For the sake of decency and to avoid a good cussing out....which you deserve....find someplace/site to promote your need of "the hook up" or "booty call" Pick what term fits you best. -->>Now back to our regularly scheduled program.
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ladybyrd
Comment: khufu> Men in the 40's, 50's & 60's took care of their families. We took a down turn in marriage and fathers in the home from the 60's, not the 1800's.
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DCGG
Comment: You bytches lay the fuvk off Melody...this is a mutherfuvkin comments board, you no likey what Melody has to say, move the fuvk on...I'll give her props for consistency that's for sure...
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Calidee
Comment: Okay I spoke too soon
I read the speech (duh I should have did this before I made my comments above)I will no longer depend on the media (including EUR) to give me an accurate descriptiion of events pertaining to Black folks.
Before Obama's speech, the media described the speech as a "personal responsibiliy" blah blah blah speech. That's why I didn't want to hear or read it. I was wrong. Now I'm %*$!ed.
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khufu
Comment: LADYBYRD of course but there was also other remnants of the dysfuntionalism and pathology: outside children; alcoholism, sedxual abuse....
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TGen
Comment: Musbdherbs: "Fk OUTTA HERE!" No YOU get the heck outta here! How are Jesse's statements even remotely comparable to BO's? Even IF you read all of (what 1 minute) of Jesse's "whisper," you still come away with the same impression. This is NOT the case for Obama's speech--and you know it. I think you're very smart and I usually appreciate your comments, but you are also coming across as very stubborn. Even when provided with facts and sound arguments, you stay with your weak position without conceding what you know in your heart (I have to believe) are better arguments. You're wrong, you're know you're wrong, but too dang hard-headed to admit it. SMH
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khufu
Comment: LADY the 60s...you really believe that? Name me a time when all was LEAVE IT TO BEAVER in the Black community in America? Oh I agree that there were times when things were more or less functional than others......but the damage that slavery did ALWAYS existed in our families.....
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ladybyrd
Comment: Crazzee> I like the story, but here's reality. There are MORE black men missing from home than ANY other race. When I grew up there were only (2) families within a mile radius that was a single family household. Now you would be lucky to find (10) black families within close proximity. This is a big deal. More and More children are being raised by one parent household. The grandmothers of old who used to help rear those children are all gone. We now have new grandmothers that like to go out with their children. Everyone has to play their part. Other nationalities has surpassed us economically. We are becoming the poorest nationality.
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khufu
Comment: LADY so what are the sociological, historical, political or cultural causes?
what are the solutions?
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Name:
CrazzeeGyrl
Comment: >>>>Hershey - Uh, oh.
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khufu
Comment: what resources did Obama say he would be willig to committ to resolve the issues related to the missing and irresponsible Black men?
did he make the same kinds of committments to them/us as he made to Israel and Jews?
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khufu
Comment: and for the record, Cynthia McKinney was Green Party candidate before Barack announced
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ladybyrd
Comment: khufu> Are you serious? really serious... You seem to be an intelligent man. With that said, you should know that every family have problems. What we are speaking of is Black men not in the home. In the 60's Black men had a certain pride about their family. They made damn sure they got up every day and worked to put food on their tables.
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JGGIRL
Comment: Creenj, Do you really believe that 24% of Hillary's supporters are not voting for Obama because of how his SUPPORTERS treated them? Do you know how many voters there are out there who never go in the internet? They are not voting for Obama because of the way they PERCEIVE that Obama and the Democratic party treated her during the primary. Plus, they really wanted a woman to win. I'm sure it has little to do with how some people were treated on the internet.
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yunvme
Comment: Is Obamam a crazy mulatto with daddy issues and is he taking it out on Black Males?
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Southernbelle
Comment: Obama's got is work in for him uniting Republicans and Democrats especially since black folks are so divided. Geesh.
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DOne
Comment: >khufu, I have to agree with Ladybyrd and as for the other remnants of dysfuntionalism and pathology that you mentioned, those were also present in many other communities as well. It was never "Leave It To Beaver" anywhere in America. I'm not saying that slavery hasn't had an impact, but I'm not convinced that everything we see today relates back to slavery either.
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khufu
Comment: LADYBYRD youre missing my point....the issue of irresponsible Black men is not a new phenom..Black men in American have always shown SOME kind of irresponsibility because our familial exisytence here has always been dysfunctional...it is true that the dysfnction as manifested by the increase of mothers of children at home by themselves did increase. not during the 60s but during the latter 70s and 80s and 90s (there is s correlation between increase of drug usage and the disappearing Black male).....
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yunvme
Comment: What was that famous quote from Harriet Tubman?
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JamerDelta
Comment: >>Khufu, I believe ALL people should seek therapy as needed. I don't go to therapy but I do personal development work on the regular through companies like Landmark Education (www.landmarkeducation.com) because to me its more thorough and definitely has a faster impact. Now, do I believe that's what most black people are suffuring from --ptsd and the like--I'm not sure, but I do believe that we certainly pass down from generation or maybe its through environment a collective thinking of how we are in this world. I know that discrimination and racism are real and that we could benefit from personal development or therapy so that we don't internalize these issues and can move forward through personal responsibility. I think a big part of the problem is that most young men aren't taught or encouraged to share their thoughts as openly as women do so that in itself causes problems because they internalize their feelings and get mad at the world instead of dealing with the issues...
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khufu
Comment: Now, Black men, historically, would be present in the home but have outside families.....they would take care of their nuclear, married family and the outside family...were they then responsible? To which family? WHat made them responsible?
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ladybyrd
Comment: herb> that should have said "hamburgers for breakfast".
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khufu
Comment: My point is that I agree with Obama but our plight is not as simplistic as a soundbite otr a 25 minute sermon-lecture at an NAACP Convention...
if we are going to talk about the irresponsible Black man, let's talk about the historical causes of the irresponsible Black man
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khufu
Comment: If we are going to say that Black men are irresponsible for not being there, let's talk about the irresponsible ones who are there but they sexually abuse the lil girls......or let's talk about the irresponsible ones who are there but they teach their children how to be white.....or if they are there they teach their children about materialism and consumerism
the present Black man who teaches their children how not to be Black are just as irresponsible as the ones who arent there in my eyes
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ladybyrd
Comment: TGen> I think Herb is off his game today. He need to go take a nap, because he's confused.
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khufu
Comment: and let's speak to the irresponsible Black women who have children out of wedlock....who give up the punanny for material things...who use their sex as weapons of azz attraction
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Quanli
Comment: I would argue that CRACK has more to do with the current state of our families than slavery at this point, although I do not deny its importance. You have a lot of black men returning home from being imprisoned in the 90s, mostly due to drug-related charges. Their children did not have a father at home and in many cases are now young, unwed parents themselves. It is a complex issue, indeed.
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Quanli
Comment: *I want to clarify and say that I understand that drug abuse/distribution is a form of slavery, but not the slavery of the time before 1865.
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khufu
Comment: JAMER...hmmmm....a Vietnamese person who suffered under the despotic rule of Pol Pot, while needing therapy, would not have the same diagnosis as an African American person in this country?
DIagnosis would be different although both need therapy and therefore treatment, although similar, would be different
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yunvme
Comment: crack aint nothing but the new "noose". "The establishment" gave us enough rope (noose) to hang ourselves.
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khufu
Comment: Drug addiction is a symptom of something.....they would have youthink it's the actual disease....in some cases, drug addiction migt become biological and/or chemical but historically folks sought drugs to nubm emotional or psychological maladies i.e the cause
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khufu
Comment: JAMER
have you read Dr. Joy Leary? Or Franz Fanon? Or Jung on Collective Unconscious? or Naim Akbar?
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LazySusan
Comment: Most of the posters that disagree with Obama on this topic, were also vocal HRC supporters. So short of dying or dropping out of this race, so that their rat faced candidate can have another chance, there is nothing Senator Obama could do or say that would be right. And I love the fact that he himself is an excellent father. And you can see he is determined to make sure that his pretty little girls have what he didn't have...a father's love and presence. It makes all of the difference. And for those that are defensive, if you're a good father then he's not talking about you. To be blunt, I got more out of the Senator's message about our 'waiting for help from the government'. Katrina proved what we should have already known...what our government really thinks of us.
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khufu
Comment: That's not true...did you actually take a poll to see that most folks who disagree with Obama supported Hillary?
SO do you really believe that in order to support Obama you have to agree with every thing he says? Damn, that's shallow
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Southernbelle
Comment: If Barack becomes a "black" man he'll lose his edge.
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ladybyrd
Comment: khufu> I respect your opinion, I do. But I think it's time for us to start helping ourselves. What does that mean? It means that school like the one in GA should not be giving gifts. Or having School raffles so that black parents will show up for parents teachers conference. Or the government should pay for kids to study. Remember when your mother made you do your homework before you went outside to play & you better not go out with your school close on. Our foundation is dissolving right before our eyes. Black on Black crime has been a rampant problem for more than a few decades. Now our drop out rate is staggering. At what point, do we hold ourselves responsible. Most Black American's are doing their job
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khufu
Comment: SOUTHERNBELLE...then what is he then if not a Black man?
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MelodyCool
Comment: calidee===>but it is tired because it has become the "Black speech". It's the standard message that is given to Black people whenever we are in a large group.<===== This is how much some are willing to sell their souls to Obama who only humiliates them and is showing others how to deal with blacks. I hope his wife has a modicum of affinity for her people and rein the bastid in before long. He can't justify continually hammering these "black" speeches and never targetting any other group unless it's to pander, reassure and kiss their azz. He disgust me to no end!
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khufu
Comment: LADYBYRD uh do you here me saying otherwise? So you support Garvey and Farrakhan and all those other Black folks who advocated Black nationalism and Pan Africanism?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: what isn Barack's position on Sudan? On Zimbababwe? On Reparations? On CARICOM?
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Name:
willree
Comment: I would urge anyone who wishes to respond to this article to read Obama's speech in its entirety. The title of this article is misleading. He spoke of many positive changes that needed to be made and yes he spoke of personal responsiblity that ALL Americans need to take in their every day lives. I don't think he spoke down to black people. I think he was calling on everyone regardless of their race to step up to the plate. But isn't that the way it should be anyway? I'm a grown %*$ woman.No one needs to tell me to be a good wife to my husband, a good mother to my children and a productive citizen in my community. And I must add that neither I nor my husband had our fathers in the home when we were children.
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yunvme
Comment: LazySusan your mistaken if you think Obama has to die/drop out of the race so that Hilary can have another chance. I've been told this, and perhaps someone can verify. Hillary only suspended her campaign. If Barack is perceived to flip flop any more or disappoint his supporters anymore before the convention, the super delegates can still throw their support to Hillary. The 4th amendment supporters are VERY vocal and are very unhappy with Obama now. Super delegates- and can throw their support to Hillary. This thing is not on lock for Barack.
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khufu
Comment: what is Obama's platform on/for Black folks in regards to economic development? what shall his foreign policy be towards Africa? we know what it is towards Israel and Iran
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Name:
khufu
Comment: I msut aree thta although I am supporting him, I need more substance NOW
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: JAmer...yeah I am taking it personally because the people who are usually talked about in bad ways on this board..and the larger community are those who look like me. This discussion about how bad black men are..that we are having on this board...is not to sell papers. It's black folk expressing their views on black men under the guise of talking about the "community." We haven't discussed a damn thing about the "community" on this board. If so, I'd like to read it. When I get off at anacostia or congress heights, I see black people in the hood going to WORK. All of my neighbors in the hood WORK. Their kids go to school. I see parents telling their kids to pull up their pants. That's what I see everyday. Yet that is NOT the image america or the rest of black folk see because they don't wanna see it. Just like those silly yt's who still think Obama is a Muslim...black folk don't wanna believe that black men do GREAT things every gotdamn day. No, we would rather listen to Obama talk about us which results in yt folk doing the same. Yet, the minute somebody says "hold up Obama, slow ur roll" bout yt and black folk start to talk about "black folk don't wanna take responsibility" BULLSHYT! TGEN...please! Now you telling me that it's not important to hear what JJ had to say because what we saw was enuff to make that determination. Unh hunh..yeah...yt folk said the same thing about Wright. They didn't need to hear it.
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gingerg
Comment: I've never said that slavery didn't and doesn't play a role in our current plight. However, there were plenty of black folks who lived with the oppression of slavery, the lash, etc. and when they got free, went on to build stable homes, communities and prosper. In light of that, how dare us say what we can't do.
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khufu
Comment: I must agree that
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Name:
ladybyrd
Comment: khufu> He spoke about Black men and the economic issues that have plagued them. He spoke about the governments part.
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gingerg
Comment: There is nothing new under the sun. Didn't Garvey, Malcolm X speak on these issues? Come to think of it, what the hell have we been doing for the last 40+ years?
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khufu
Comment: GINGER My point is that the Black family in AMerica has never been whole...why not? Slavery. ANd to say that the sole irresponsible act of the irresponsible Black man is his not being their is not a whole view.......
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khufu
Comment: YES!! THAT IS THE POINT.......
Name: gingerg Comment: There is nothing new under the sun. Didn't Garvey, Malcolm X speak on these issues? Come to think of it, what the hell have we been doing for the last 40+ years
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Name:
khufu
Comment: LADY HE "spoke"...sheet I can talk to myself and her that....I want him to articulate what his plan will be to address and resolve
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Name:
khufu
Comment: FYI:
"Double consciousness," in its contemporary sense, is a term coined by W. E. B. Du Bois. The term is used to describe an individual whose identity is divided into several facets.
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khufu
Comment: The term originated from an 1897 Atlantic Monthly article titled "Strivings of the Negro People." It was later republished and slightly edited under the title "Of Our Spiritual Strivings" in his collection of essays, The Souls of Black Folk. He spoke of “this sense of always looking at one’s self through the eyes of others, of measuring one’s soul by the tape of a world that looks on in amused contempt and pity”, and of a two-ness, of being "an American, a Negro; two warring ideals in one dark body, whose dogged strength alone keeps it from being torn asunder."
Du Bois explained:
The history of the American Negro is the history of this strife, — this longing to attain self-conscious manhood, to merge his double self into a better and truer self. In this merging he wishes neither of the older selves to be lost. He does not wish to Africanize America, for America has too much to teach the world and Africa; he does not wish to bleach his Negro blood in a flood of white Americanism, for he believes that Negro blood has yet a message for the world. He simply wishes to make it possible for a man to be both a Negro and an American without being cursed and spit upon by his fellows, without losing the opportunity of self-development.
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TGen
Comment: Mus: "TGEN...please! Now you telling me that it's not important to hear what JJ had to say because what we saw was enuff to make that determination." NO, that's NOT what I said. I said we heard ALL of the whisper. If you're saying there was more to it, that he expanded on what "talking down" meant, then please share it. I don't know about anything else. I do know that he apologized which leads me to believe we got the jist of what he said. If you know more, share more. If not, save that weak analogy, it does NOT apply to either BO or JWright. Wow, Ladybyrd was right, you're way off your game today.
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khufu
Comment: W.E.B. Du Bois said, on the launch of his groundbreaking 1903 treatise The Souls of Black Folk, “for the problem of the Twentieth Century is the problem of the color-line”—a prescient statement
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khufu
Comment: and we see that Barack is the fulfillment of what DuBois said...in the 21st century nonetheless.....
we are still discussing and coming to grips with our dual identities...ou warring selves........
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Southernbelle
Comment: He's a black man true by nature. But among our yt counterparts, he's viewed as a neutral. I think they're living in la,la land whe it comes to his race or maybe like the military with the "don't ask, don't tell policy as it applies to gays. Kinda like OJ and MJ before they became "black" men in their eyes. IMO, that perception is keeping him strong in the polls but the media is trying desperately to identify him with blackness because they know the "blacker" he becomes to yt folks the more they'll get turned off. Here's a thing that made me go hmmmm? During the Rev. Wright and Jackson controversy Obama replied directly. On the contrary, during the New Yoker and Oreo comment controversy his publicist replied first, hmmmm. IMO, his biggest fear is to appear "black" . How else can anyone explain the Jackson conflict "benefitting" Barack, WTF. According to the media he has appear to be against all that's black to gain yt approval. Now, it's the Muslim thing. Why is it so wrong to be A Muslim (even though we all know he's not Muslim) but he does a lot of explaining the fact that he's not Muslim, WTF.
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javone77
Comment: wow! I go give blood and it jumps the hell off in here LOL Mus: I would not say that there are 90% of kids being neglected...not around me anyway. In other schools, maybe. but guess what...here in texas....if you're not hispanic...you get the short end of the stick. Hispanics get special classes and special treatment...white kids go to white schools where there are no hispanics. so who gets the shaft? black kids!I see black kids in my classroom looking a hot mess and I try to be the mother/father that they are not getting at home. so when a teacher tells you she does not get paid enough..I urge everyone to believe them. We are mother, sister, pastor, cook, counselor and a whole bunch of other stuff. educator is the LAST thing we are on the list because if they are hungry I could talk all damn day and they would not remember anything. so I have a vested interest in my black kids cause if I don't care about them, they'll be left out in the cold and I can't have it. a black person is already treated as if they inferior. they won't feel that way in my room. and we as a people have to stop letting people including US treat us that way. I applaud Barack for being upfront and honest even when he KNEW he would be criticized. Black people are the hardest on their own kind. Look at how the brothas and sistas treated Bill Cosby. Barack knew what was gonna happen and did it anyway. Somebody cares about the perception of black people out there even if some of us don't. Keep on talking Barack!
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khufu
Comment: From the ATlantic Monthy on line:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200807/consumption
About seven years ago, University of Chicago economists Kerwin Kofi Charles and Erik Hurst were researching the “wealth gap” between black and white Americans when they noticed something striking. African Americans not only had less wealth than whites with similar incomes, they also had significantly more of their %*$ets tied up in cars. The statistic fit a stereotype reinforced by countless bling-filled hip-hop videos: that African Americans spend a lot on cars, clothes, and jewelry—highly visible goods that tell the world the owner has money.
But do they really? And, if so, why?
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javone77
Comment: Sometimes the message has to be given over and over and over again before it takes root and this is the situation we find ourselves in. we listen and buy music glorifying the mistreatment of women and the "pimp" lifestyle. of course it's gonna take root in the community cause that;s what we allow to be played for our children! Who is gonna be the example for that young man when he doesn't know his father? Big momma may not have told you what you wanted to hear..but she gave you what God Loves...THE TRUTH! This is the same thing
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musbdherbs
Comment: BTW, I'll acknowledge a sound argument when I read one. Simply saying that "this is true" or "we need to hear it" is not a sound argument. There is no sound argument for (once again..lol) a politician to be talking about popeyes fried chicken unless he's a comedian. My posts about "media snippets" are consistent despite what you or ne1 else may think. I am NOT choosing today or this issue to decide that's it better to look at the whole context of the conversation rather than the snippet. FACT IS, we didn't nor did we inquire about "context" w/JJ. WE immediately went for the jugular. Not suprisingly, NOW we want to go back to 'read context." I said the SAME thing w/Wright because I thought it was unfair to base our outrage on the "snippets" from his NPC appearance. He said a lot of stuff..some I agreed w/some I don't. But yt folk also "got the gist of what he said," based on those snippets. JJ has said a lot I've agreed w/..some I don't. Yet, the resounding theme now about JJ from the BLACK community is that he has never talked about personal responsibility. WHy is that you ask? Because the media would NEVER air a story about him doing such and WE will follow suit..bolstering their claims about JJ blaming the yt man for everything. So the inconsistency is NOT on my part.
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Name:
huey
Comment: Hi javone77 ---did they give u a sandwich, nabs and orange juice after u gave blood? smile
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Name:
khufu
Comment: southernbelle: what profieth a man if he gain the whole world and lose his soul?
at what point do you stop losing your true self to appease yt? Is Yt God?
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Name:
katgrrrl
Comment: "You bytches lay the fuvk off Melody...this is a mutherfuvkin comments board, you no likey what Melody has to say, move the fuvk on..." Melody's a big girl. I'm sure she knows she's in the minority and that her comments will draw some opposition. But, like ya said and I've also said in an earlier post, she's entitled to her opinion. Life would be soooo boring if we all agreed on everything. It's nothing personal here as far as I'm concerned. Just comments/opinions. And if we don't agree with another's comments, we should be able to share that too. No?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: i think those who expect Obama to talk more about sheet like relationships and the Black man absent and less about true Presidential matters are those who are the staunchest advocates of the ghettoziation of the American presidency.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: WHat is Obama's position on CARICOM?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: what is his position on The SUdan? Zimbabwe? Africa, period.
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Name:
khufu
Comment: what is Obama's position on reparations?
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Name:
TGen
Comment: Mus, I guess your post was directed to someone else because 1) I did so want to know the context of JJ's statements and I heard A LOT of people wanting clarification, 2) I NEVER said JJ and others "never" talk about personal responsibility, and I STILL, even with all that, say if you read that whole speech and still only come away with "he told Black folks to get their stuff together and that was condescending," then that says more about YOU and less about Barack. You are OFF today homeboy. But I still love ya! Peace out
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Name:
JamerDelta
Comment: >>southernbelle, you are drinking the kool-aid please stop. We do so much damage to ourselves when we try to put people in a box. He's a black man. You don't have to grow up in "the hood" to be black or act a certain way or say certain things. His background is different so for him to pretend that he grew up in the hood or act that way would be disingenious and we would see right through it--what test do you want him to pass to show he's black--isn't the color of his skin good enough? He has to be neutral when trying to be president of a diverse coutry such as US--you don't get that??????????????
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Name:
khufu
Comment: what is his position on a moratorium on Immigrants coming into the US? Or jobs being shipped out of the country?
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Name:
ladybyrd
Comment: gingerg> I AGREE!
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Name:
khufu
Comment: JAMER you too drink the Kool Aid? Was he neutral when it came to the demands of the Jews? Or was he very partial and bias towards them and outspoken about his commitments to them and Israel? Nuetral? Was george Bush neutral?
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: What is Obama's position on MTV's America's Dance Crew, Supreme Soul or Fanny Pack? I'm liking Fanny Pack.
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khufu
Comment: JJ said he was condescending because he didnt address other important and pertinent issues facing the Black community....
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khufu
Comment: see MAS() here come the gay spy distractors.....paid to distract you from meaningful discussion
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khufu
Comment: Im sorry ot the Black community but the Black constituency....the AFrican American electorate
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ladybyrd
Comment: khufu> You may want to read Malcom's teachings again. He didn't say we need someone to resolve this. He said "Stop walking around with that Slave mentality". Black on Black crime, selling drugs in your own neighborhoods, recruiting kids into gangs & fathering kids by the records. I need a glass of lemonade, lard have mercy.
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khufu
Comment: LADY...LOL and Malcolm is the only one you will use as a reference..sorry but I use a whole lot more....also keep in mind that while Maloclm said that, his suggested action to help yopu "de-slave" was to become either Black Nationalist or Muslim...
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khufu
Comment: LADY continual problem is that Black folks get so caught up on the rhetoric and not the action...again, case in point, I agree with WHAT OBAMA SAID BUT I WANT THE CLEAR ARTICULATION OF IS ACTION PLAN HE WILL IMPLEMENT AS PREZ
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ladybyrd
Comment: yunvme> As far as Hillary is concerned this is a VEGAS HOTEL VAULT, it's on lock. We need to move on and take the house.
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javone77
Comment: mas90 you crazy as hell LOL
huey: no they did not give me anything. and please stop telling people to kiss your black %*$. smh
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katgrrrl
Comment: Mas90! Are you outta yo' frk'n MIND, boy!!!!!!!!????? ROTFLMAOOOO! Fanny Pack.
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Southernbelle
Comment: *looking for the part where I said that Barack has to act "hood* Personally, I am very happy with his ivy league educated blackness. I can identify with him more that way. I'm not hood and I don't care much for Kool-aid. He's alright by me because when I look at him I see a black man standing on the shoulders of his ancestors. The day yt America sees him that way the day he's doomed.
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khufu
Comment: Im outtie...no more meaningful discussion here
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ladybyrd
Comment: Southern> Where have you been? Have you seen articles written about him with a monkey face or angry black man. They are throwing everything at him including the kitchen sink. And some prominent and not so prominent black americans are assisting.
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khufu
Comment: right on...write on
Name: Southernbelle Comment: when I look at him I see a black man standing on the shoulders of his ancestors. The day yt America sees him that way the day he's doomed.
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huey
Comment: javone77 --she brought it on herself lol...why they didnt give u no sandwichs ??
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bigchassie
Comment: DAYUM!! YALL HOT UP IN HERE TODAY!!! YALL KEEP IT COMMIN!! KHUFU, DON'T GO!!
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naturalsista
Comment: musb - you took issue with my statement that was in reference to a comment to me. the irresponsible males and females i speak of are the ones i see in my community. there are many responsible, in the home, working black men and women that far outnumber all the irresponsible ones. i was not bashing all black men because to do so would be disrespectful and a discredit to my father, husband, sons, uncles, cousins, friends, and so on...
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Southernbelle
Comment: @ ladybyrd, that's my point. The media wants to wake up yt America to the fact that he's a black man. Why else would they push such foolywang. The blacker he becomes or, for better words, the blacker they portray him the more yt folks won't support him. McCain is 71 going on death and I see very little about his age why b/c the less it's talked about the more people forget about it. His people try their darnest to not have the age discussion. Forget the fact that the man can't even remember his own voting record but don't mention his age or they'll be all over you like yt on rice.
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JamerDelta
Comment: >>Khufu, when I say neutral--I was picking up on the other poster's word. What I mean is that he can't keep talking about just Black America or Just Africa because he's a black man. He has to appeal and be concerned about all. If you read the article, he addresses other issues of concern and his solutions. By the way, why aren't you on the board questioning how McCain feels about all this? Newsflash--Obama will not solve all our problems--why not use him as an inspiration to take care of what our problems are. MY THING IS THIS--WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT THE ECONOMY AND NATIONAL SECURITY AND HEALTH CARE SOME ON THIS BOARD ACT LIKE THOSE AREN'T OUR ISSUES--THEY ARE!!! WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT PARENTING AND FATHERHOOD--SOME ON THIS BOARD TAKE IT ON AS ITS ONLY AFRICAN-AMERICAN ISSUES--THEY'RE NOT!! AND THAT'S NOT WHAT HE'S SAYING HE'S TALKING TO WHOMEVER THE SHOE FITS! READ THE ARTICLES GET ALL THE INFORMATION !!
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JamerDelta
Comment: >>MAS LOL--I'm for the Fanny Pack!!!
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ladybyrd
Comment: gingerg> PREACH! Most Black Americans have done their job. But there is a large number that has fell asleep at the wheel for 40+ years on Jessie's and Al's watch.
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javone77
Comment: huey: you be the bigger person please. and I am being tested for diabetes lol
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huey
Comment: nooooooooo...not the suga' nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo javone77
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Mas90
Comment: Kuhfu... SOrry Khufu... I like to make people laugh.
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Mas90
Comment: Katgrrl & Jamer... Fanny Pack is da sh*t! I'm serious. Don't get me wrong... most them are da bomb but Fanny Pack moves are so Olvia Newton John meets Breakin' meets the Smurfs!
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ladybyrd
Comment: javone77> I agree!
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khufu
Comment: MAS() gay Stepin Fetchit huh?
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khufu
Comment: JAMER was Obama bewing too jewish when he spoke to the concerns of them and Israel?
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gingerg
Comment: Let me give you a little illustration here so you will see what I mean about choices to do better or not. A few months ago, my mother reminded her mother that it was her birthday. She didn't even give her the courtesy of saying "Happy Birthday," much less offer a present. It's like this every year.
Fast forward. This past weekend, they were having a phone conversation in which my grandmother asked my mom if she was going to attend her upcoming birthday party and bring her some money. She is bold like that. My mom said no. My grandmother then replied "I should have killed your mf azz when you jumped out of my azz." She also emphasized that she meant what she was saying. Mind you, grandma is 88. Yesterday, my cousin called mom and put grandma on the phone. She wanted to make nice and ask about flowers and so forth. My mom has experienced a great deal of anguish,stress, etc. as a result of this woman's behavior, but always swallows her pride and goes back. I can't even imagine a stable mother saying (and meaning) anything like that to her child under any circumstances.
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khufu
Comment: JAMER so if he mentions one litle tiny thing abut Black folks or Africa, then he's too Black huh? Damn....then if he is eleted for four years, he could never say anythin about Black people huh?
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ladybyrd
Comment: JamerDelta> I agree! He is going to be PRESIDENT of UNITED STATES not just to black people. There was more to his speech. I think that was was fitting for the NAACP.
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javone77
Comment: huey: calm down. lol there is no need for you to argue. let people have their opinion and keep it moving. everyone is gonna feel whatever way they are going to feel. we can all hope that there will be facts behind what is being said but some people speak emotionally. and that's what it is.
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gingerg
Comment: I'm willing to bet that Obama has a plan, but the man has to actually GET in the white house before he starts laying it out. Look at Bush, you can really say and do whatever you want once you're President.
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huey
Comment: javone77 ---we will see, but let he jump out her face and she will be disrepected accordingly...dont start none, wont be none...
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Mas90
Comment: Khufu... I'm not trying to fvck up yo discussion but Obama already discussed immagration.... Reparations, get real like we'll ever see that.... Sudan/Darfur, that's already being taken care of now...
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khufu
Comment: GINGER this comment is slavery-based:
: gingerg Comment: She is bold like that. My mom said no. My grandmother then replied "I should have killed your mf azz when you jumped out of my azz." She also emphasized that she meant what she was saying. Mind you, grandma is 88. Yesterday, my cousin called mom and put grandma on the phone. She wanted to make nice and ask about flowers and so forth. My mom has experienced a great deal of anguish,stress, etc. as a result of this woman's behavior, but always swallows her pride and goes back. I can't even imagine a stable mother saying (and meaning) anything like that to her child under any circumstances.
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Mas90
Comment: Question is does OBAMA like minute rice or slow cooked???
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khufu
Comment: MAS you are the reason the guy wrote the book I recommedmed earlier: are you that naieve? or stupid?
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khufu
Comment: or are you really a gay spy, COINTELPRO operative?
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Mas90
Comment: Does OBAMA prefer it doggystyle or missionary postiion?
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khufu
Comment: so MAS the SUdan is resolved and Obama shouldnt comment? Dumb azzes out in the world dumb
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Mas90
Comment: Does Obama prefer PC or MAC?
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khufu
Comment: Okay I might consider that.......
Name: gingerg Comment: I'm willing to bet that Obama has a plan, but the man has to actually GET in the white house before he starts laying it out. Look at Bush, you can really say and do whatever you want once you're President.
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Mas90
Comment: Spy? no, but I do like peeping through windows.
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khufu
Comment: LOL LAdybyrs yo azz is ignant too I see......
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javone77
Comment: huey: I hear ya. but enough of this in fighting. divisive and counterproductive. feelings get hurt when the truth shows up and that's that. what next is what should ALL be asking ourselves..whether you are taking care of your kids or not.
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gingerg
Comment: I'm telling you, he is going to show out when he gets to the White House. Now, we can't expect him to right every wrong in the first week, but I do believe he has a plan and understands the issues.
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khufu
Comment: MAS there are those people hired to monitor ceratin converstions Black folks have an then intrude and distract...that kind of spy...in your case Gay SPY
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Mas90
Comment: Obama wasn't my first choice but I do not want McCain. So I am supporting Obama. Me & Obama do not agree on immigration. But I do like it that he wants to end the war.
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khufu
Comment: GINGER while I do believe there is truth to that then the issue becomes the crazy yt's who will then want to kill him....
Name: gingerg Comment: I'm telling you, he is going to show out when he gets to the White House. Now, we can't expect him to right every wrong in the first week, but I do believe he has a plan and understands the issues
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katgrrrl
Comment: Mas, I've never watched that dance show. I loved the promo ads for it cos it borrowed from one of my fav cult movies, The Warriors. But thanks to this: "Olvia Newton John meets Breakin' meets the Smurfs!" I'm gonna have to YouTube some Fanny Pack now. That Olivia Newton John comparison reminds me of when the Spice Girls' 2nd album came out. A reviewer said their song "Denying" sounded like Olivia Newton John meets Dr. Dre. And they were right! The song wasn't bad either.
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Mas90
Comment: Khufu, I've never met Karl Rowe. I'm not even Republican or Democratic. I'm independent voter.
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javone77
Comment: gingerg: that's what I am talking about. hell who in here doesn't have to take bullshit and say stuff you really don't mean to keep food on your table? if you don't then you are one in a 1,000,000 and should consider yourslef lucky. cause I have to get prayed up everyday before I hit the front door of that school cause I'm either gonna have to deal with an ignnant kid who only needs to be popped in the mouth, an iggnant parent who needs that some pop in the mouth or an iggnant co worker who has gotten out of their damn place with the wrong nigra LOL
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khufu
Comment: MAS() what otehr issues are important to YOU.....there are those of us who are more extensive in our politics......so for us CARICOM, Reparations, FOREIGN POLICY even NASA are important
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khufu
Comment: it amzaes me hoe uninformed and non read some of you are....wow....
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Mas90
Comment: Katgrrll... the show episode on MTV all the time.... usually 7 or 7:30pm to 10pm
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bigchassie
Comment: woooowwwweeee!!!
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Mas90
Comment: Khufu... I'm aganist NASA. WASTE OF MONEY! I would've ended that back in 1984 (shuttle explosion). WASTE! Forigen policy.. drop a bomb on whomever has an issue with us... Korea, Iran, Pakinstan, Utah...
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khufu
Comment: JAVONEONE...Black folks having to learn to take bullsheet? Well, imagine this:
a Black man seeing his wife getting fooked by the yt slavemaster and not being able to say anything.....cn you imagine the impact of that?
or a Black woman having to be raped and impregnated by some smelly ole white man? can you imagine that?
My point: again: the survival mechanisms that Black folks have developed and used are rooted in slavery girlfriend...
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javone77
Comment: what we need to talk about is this how Obama gave his Iraq policy on tv today saying that he wants to go to afghanistan to really solve this BS and not an hour later Mccain comes out ripping barack's plan as naive and then saying..."what we need to do is go into afghanistan" call the police. that man is crazy as HELL!!!!!!!!!! and they just announced that people in britain want to see barack as president by a 5 to 1 margin and by over 60% in germany, france and somewhere else LOL
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JamerDelta
Comment: >>khufu, I said "just" please read!
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khufu
Comment: JAVONE and therefore dysfuctional..that's what makes GINGER"S grandmom's comment fooked up...oh she meant it that she should have killed her when she came out her womab because many a Black woman did kill their babies during slavery or wanted too...that is the dysfunctional origin of such a thought and statement
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katgrrrl
Comment: Khufu! Why are you tryin' so hard to get someone to e-fight you, bro!? LOL! <> Mas! "...minute rice or slow cooked?"! LOL! THESE ARE THE TOUGH ISSUES!
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khufu
Comment: ROFLMAO on that one...Utah!
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ladybyrd
Comment: Khufu> I take back the intelligent comment I through your way. I think that you are a blow hard who LOVES to hear himself speak. Are YOU off your meds, sweetie.
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khufu
Comment: KATGRLL that wouldne be hard to do as most are fihting themselves...hence my WEB DuBOIS reference......
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JamerDelta
Comment: >>MAS--you have me rolling!!! I hope he prefers MAC!!!
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Mas90
Comment: Khufu... reparations... I doubt we will ever see it. DOUBT! What is the answer to slavery... a million dollars to everyone? free college education for 5 years? a free Chevorlet Aveo and one tank of gas? (I prefer Hondas).... Free trip to Disney World and Disney Land (they would say you have to do it concurrently, now how da fvck do you do that)..... free Chrome rims with a purchase of 17inch speakers... free supply Lusteral Pink Stuff Hair Oil.... Lifetime supply of TCB.... free DVD's of every Soul Train episode? What?
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Southernbelle
Comment: soooooo black folks bringing up our own agendas makes this country divided between black and white. All this time I thought the divide was due to racism, oppression, classism and etc. Now I have a hypothetical question what was the reason for the divide prior to Barack?
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khufu
Comment: LOL LADYBYRD please girlfriend that's old.......no meds girlfriend...not even aspirin.......my fervor comes from my mandate to slew imbecilic gargoyles...the Black ones especially....Ms. gargoyle
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javone77
Comment: Khufu: please don't call me "girlfriend" and no one is saying you have to like the %*$! we go through but Guess what, God didn't promise a smooth comfortable road for any of us. and I am merely talking about being black in the workplace...not being raped on the street. and if I walked around thinking about what happened to my ancestors I'd be crazy and in jail somewhere. so I prefer to think of myself as a member of the chosen race of people who will achieve great things and do my part. I refuse to go through my life with a state of mind based on what happened then. it was wrong and we all know that. I keep prayed up that God won't put me through anything I can't handle and go on with life. period.
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khufu
Comment: MAS() you miss the point totally...the discussion need to be had by Obama not you
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ladybyrd
Comment: Mas> I like your posts in trying to keep it light. But you know there are those who believe that only their posts should be taken seriously. (Herb & Khufu) <winking>
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khufu
Comment: The Holocaust Insurance Accountability Act of 2007 is now snaking its way thru committees, in preparation for what is to quite possibly be a huge extortion of money from the American tax payer.
Copied from the bill is this:
Experts estimate that the value in 2006 of unpaid life, annuity, endowment, and dowry insurance theft from European Jewry from the Holocaust and its aftermath ranges between $17,000,000,000 and $200,000,000,000.
(Dowry Insurance? WTF? We're supposed to pay off for a wedding ceremony that never took place?
What's next, puppy dog life insurance policies that weren't collected when "Spot" died?)
Who in the hell are these experts? They're not named, so we're supposed to take at face value an utterance from a Congress that will drop everything in a sec to service their Zionist masters in Israel, but could care less whether or not We the People sink or swim... literally.
This act will give Holocaust™ survivors, heirs, dependents, and others, access to U.S. courts for the purpose of entertaining legal actions against insurance companies, even when those claims have already been denied by European Courts. And let them pursue legal action and seek redress--MONEY--against insurance or RELATED companies and seek damages. (Related Companies? Is no one safe from the latest Holocaust™ money extortion scheme?)
And the amounts are to be TRIPLED and include interest.
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DOne
Comment: <Khufu, now's that's the problem I have with the whole post slavery trauma theory, you just can't take gingerg's comment and make the giant assumption that the relationship between her mother and grandmother is due to slavery. It could be due to any number of things. Similar mother/daughter relationships exists among all races, ethnic groups, and classes. While I agree with your point about counseling, however, however, I wouldn't trust any counseling who have already diagnosed the problem before meeting the person
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khufu
Comment: See, the Jews are seriously talking about Reparations and I bet that if they say to Obama that he needs to consider THEIR peparations, he would in a minute and every single House Ngegore against Reparations for African descendants.......
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Mas90
Comment: LAdybyrd... LOL! You are right but Khufu and Herb are some serious guys I would like to chat with all the time. I enjoy deep intelligent guys/conversations even though I'm not showing it now.
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khufu
Comment: DONE...no I can. There are things hat Black parents say and do to their children, especially those old ones that are related to slavery....
here is one: "nappy headed..."
another one, "Black as tar..." or "youre too Black" or describing someone as "Black Charles"
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khufu
Comment: I know MAs.....
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khufu
Comment: MAS90..LAdybyrd doesnt know the history.....
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ladybyrd
Comment: Khufu> gargoyles, really?? So are you a closet dugeons & dragons player. I wouldn't be surprised. If there are no meds then you may want to go and speak with someone, who do a prescription, quick! MAS90> LOL DVD's all seasons of SOUL TRAIN & Luster's Pink lotion. LOL...wooo
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Mas90
Comment: Khufu... I'm for reparations but I don't see yt agreeing to paying us money cause it would mean economically we would become even with the white man causing him pain and suffering (which is good for us). The income war would be equal. White man doesn't want that.
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JamerDelta
Comment: >>Mas, I'm with you about the reparations and if Obama came out talking about reparations, I would seriously have to question his sanity. >>Southernbelle--what exactly is "our agenda" My agenda is pretty much the same as anyone else--health care,national security, immigration, the economy--what should he be taling about to appeal to blacks? This is a real question--I'm not being cynical. I don't get what is different about us that he needs to address--
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yunvme
Comment: khufu - Thanks for the "Holocaust Insurance Accountability Act of 2007" info.
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khufu
Comment: anyway......DONE....I would bet you my left testicle that African AMerican women are the onle ones who say things like ther grandmother said........and if someone else does, they are victims of a traumatic experience......threatening to kill your own children in those words is not normal and has historical roots
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khufu
Comment: YALL are missing the point damn..if Jews called a meeting tommorrow and one item on the agenda was "WHy Jews should receive reparations" and Obama was invited, would he speak on it? would he agree or disaree that they should receive reparations?
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ms_svelte
Comment: Okay..im late posting today....dont feel like beating a dead horse but cmon people. 1) It is not appropriate for someone in Obama's position to 'talk about the shortcomings' of a select group of constituents without doing the same for other select groups. 2) Someone has got to determine if he black or not black, meaning: to some its okay for him to address us like this cuz hes BLACK. But when it comes to him doing something specific for our group, then its, "we shouldnt expect that cuz JUST BECAUSE HES BLACK"...well if the 1/2 negro is black enuff to correct US (directly), shouldnt he black enuff to openly support/help US (directly).
I havent read all of the posts so i apologize if this has already been mentioned.
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Mas90
Comment: Khufu... Obama would probably agree that they should receive reparations
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javone77
Comment: Lord have mercy....I pick quick cooking uncle ben's rice Mas90 LOL
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: Name: khufu Comment: Cynthia McKinney announced her Green Party candidacy about a year ago......i told yall...
I knew she was up for the nomination a year ago, and actually thought she already had it back then until I looked at the Green Party website ack in the winter and saw other candidates. But this convention made it official. Now DCGG, is Melodycool your woman or something? You sure came a little extra hard in defending her.
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JamerDelta
Comment: Wow--people are really hung up on his being both black and white--How pray tell should he be supporting "us" that he's not...
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Mas90
Comment: LOL @ Javone
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Southernbelle
Comment: ummm, okay. Maybe I only live in a divided America. Where does everyone else live b/c I need to be re-locating. In my neck of the woods besides the universal problems my folks have their their own agendas that need to be addressed. But, I'd love to move to a place where we can all be happy or suffer equally. It's all good though, rarely do I get involved in these deep conversations. I just had some free time on my hands today.
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gingerg
Comment: Kufu, I can see your point on that because I believe that some parents emotionally distanced themselves from their children because they could be taken away at the drop of a hat. Some also responded with cruelty and verbal abuse because that is all they knew. My point is that you have choices now. Why run your pressure up, stay awake half the night, call everybody down south to complain about what was said only to put up with the same mess all over again? Doing that only enables my grandmother. If she can think of something worse to say next time, she will. If ANYBODY said something like that to me, they wouldn't have to worry about hearing from me again, much less in a few days.
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gingerg
Comment: I have never heard nothing about "Black Charles," but I do recall growing up around a dark skinned boy. They called him blue, saying he was so black he looked blue.
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Mas90
Comment: Khufu why haven't you ran for Congress/President? You could have HERB as your running mate. Just hire me to make the crowd laugh at the same time.
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Mas90
Comment: I'm going to lunch. I'll be back in an hour.
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musbdherbs
Comment: TGEN...oh really? Let's look at what I posted, "The majority of the clip does focus on the smallest part of his speech. BUT, that's the headliner and what the media will focus in on. Fact is, Obama first sent that message in his book and has been repeated throughout his political career. The resposibility in how "we" present ourselves does not stop at the the line leaving the hood. It also goes all the way to the burbs. He should be mindful (now that he is Barack the phenom) of how he presents our concerns and the stereotypes about us." ###### So I don't know who you are speaking of when YOU say to ME "if you read that whole speech and still only come away with "he told Black folks to get their stuff together and that was condescending," then that says more about YOU and less about Barack. You are OFF today homeboy." Based on the the earlier part of this post, most sane people would gather that your analysis of my position is WRONG and OFF! But I forgot, you can't disagree w/an Obama method less you be accused of "not seeing the bigger picture."
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javone77
Comment: ginger: you are right. My grandmother has never been as bad as yours but she never treated everybody the same. she has one daughter that she likes and made a new will disinheriting my aunts and uncles for this one aunt. and she talks all kinds of nose. when we were at our brokest...she would go buy a family of four 10 bucks worth of food on her gold maerican express card. my mom has given her refrigerators and all kinds of stuff and all she did was give drama and talk crap. so when I was younger I would ignore but when I got older and she started talking %*$! to me...man I give the %*$! right back to her in SPADES! some people just talk crazy cause they know people are ginna take it. my grandma figured out I wasn't the one real quick and now she is sweet as pie. It's a shame it had to come to that but I got her off of me.
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javone77
Comment: ginger: I have also heard of people being called midnight black and blue...but it was not a black woman who said it as was stated earlier...it was a black man who said it.
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DOne
Comment: >Khufu, of course it's not normal, and yes, most likely has some historical roots, but my point is you just can't assume it goes all the way back to slavey. It may only go back a generation or it could go back prior to slavery for that matter or maybe it just started with that one person. You have to look at each each individually and not just say well, since she is black, it must be to slavery or if she is Asian it must be this, or WASP, it must be that. Without any level of objectivity, you will only find what you are looking for; hell, if you believe that the dysfunction is due to suppressed memories resulting from alien abduction. Again, I'm not saying that it could not be, but you always just can't assume.
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khufu
Comment: MAS then why would he not say the same for us? if they derve reparations, why not us?
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khufu
Comment: DONE if it goes back a gneration ago, it still can be traced further back to slavery...if a woman gets sexyually abused in the 1950s, I am sure that the you can trace it back further and further until you end up at slavery
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musbdherbs
Comment: Javone..so you would rather Obama talk about the 10% of parents who feed their kids popeyes for b'fast. Hence the problem, if we can acknowledge that 90& of black families send their kids to school prepared, why shouldn't the focus (publicly) be on those who are doing well. As a black man who hopes to raise a black son, I simply cringe thinking about the fact that he will have to endure the wrath of america against black kids. Where are the messages of "black men doing it big" publicly? Where are the messages of encouragement/empowerment for young black men pubicly? Can we really say that "we" hear it? Can we really say that our young black men are more prone to hear good things about people who look like them than those bad? If so, I would like to to start watching those channels. If we acknowledge that messages are POWERFUL (think hip-hop) why is it beneath us to acknowledge that there are very little positive messages being put out by our community and the media as a whole about black men? Our desire to "get the laundry out" should not absolve us of the responsibility of controlling our own message..just like we require of hip-hop. The people who are concerned about the perception of "us" does not stop at Obama's door. Most blacks are. Naturalsis...no foul. Your post simply reiterated my position that any talk about the "black community" is isolated to discussions about the ineptitude of black men.
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khufu
Comment: LOL I did run for Preisdent once before...of Belarus
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musbdherbs
Comment: MS_Svelte makes an EXCELLENT observation. She says that it's ok for Obama (as a president) to address us about our shortcomings BECAUSE he's black. But, he can't do nething specifically for our group (like he would Jews/Hispanics) JUST BECAUSE HE's BLACK. Does ne1 find this troubling. That we will allow him to talk to us about our problems...but he can't be seen as offering nething to us that isn't applicable to other groups. His talk of defending Israel has nothing to do w/black folk. His talk at La Raza about immigration and illegals being rounded up like cattle has nothing to do w/black folk...but a specific category of americans.
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khufu
Comment: I want to her Obama talk about sheet like Starbucks and Ethiopia and how he would as President make sure that African nations and corporations would be treated fairly and what he would do to create equitable places for African nations and Caribbena nations in the globalization of the world markets....
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FiveMore
Comment: Ginger, I lurk on this board just to catch a comment from you about one of your relatives. Your grandma is something else, and another thing, she has no business speaking to her child in that manner. We,the community, has so many things wrong with us until it is not even funny(Also, I guess/hope Barack means well when he discusses the "ills" of our community)!Dang, I wanna laugh but the comment was so mean.
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khufu
Comment: I want to hear Obama talk about Brazil as one of the world's newly emerging market powerhouses and what he plans to do to establish favorable relations with them
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JamerDelta
Comment: What is it that we don't understand here? He's running for president so he is looking for the problems that we have as a nation that he can solve as well as what different groups of people need solved. Hence, he's not going to talk about the 90% that are doing right--he's talking about the 10% that needs to be corrected. He's talking to most Hispanics about immigration which is of great concern to them and to jews about israel which is of great concern to them. To us, he's talking about social issues which are of main concern to us. With all these groups he also talks about what universally affects us all. So, please tell me--straight question---if you were running for president what exactyly would you talk about then--if Obama is so wrong...
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bigchassie
Comment: 389posts and counting......keep it comming. yall keeping me awake. i get off at 6:00 tonight.
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khufu
Comment: JAMER who are you talking to? That's way too easy...so that cant be directed tome?
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JamerDelta
Comment: >>But Musb, shouldn't we be more concerned that McCain 'aint even talking to us at all...also, why don't you be the one to champion black men--there's hill harper writing books, there are countless community activists, teachers and doctors etc. why do you expect Obama to be the end all be all--by the way in all these speeches, he gives credit where its due first and then he talks about the problems...
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JamerDelta
Comment: >>khufu, you can answer, I don't know what's too easy...
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DOne
Comment: <Khufu, like I said if you are set on tracing every single thing back to slavery you will find a connection because your approach is biased from the beginning, but why stop at slavery, i'm sure somewhere there was an abused child who was sold into slavery who continued to abuse her own kids. But back to gingerg's point, at some point a person has to make the decision to change, and if couseling is needed, great, however, everytime a black person comes in with a issue, a therapist shouldn't assume it can be traced back to slavery when it could just has well be related to a childhood trauma completely unrelated to any family issues.
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gingerg
Comment: DOone, I know you didn't bring up alien abductions in this mess. LOL!
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javone77
Comment: Mus: that answer is too easy. the answer is YES I do want him to talk abou those 10%. Nobody knows a child is being abused until someone makes it known, and as good as some people try tomraise their kids it will come to your doorstep especially if that child is in your son's class and they become friends. Think about it this way Mus...let's say that a child is being abused at home but no one is taking notice. the child dies. what are we supposed to say? "aw damn! we could have done something about this child but we were too busy stroking the egos of those parents who do what they are supposed to." that is backwards reasoning. no one needs a pat on the back to be a good parent...that is something you should WANT to be whether it is acknowledged or not. our job is to protect children and help those who are not being helped by the people who are supposed to. I am not going to sweep one child under the rig just because the people next door are te perfect parents and if any of us do that then shame on us.
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gingerg
Comment: Javonne, I guess she's going to actually have to spit in my mother's face before she actually believes that she really doesn't love her. My mother deals with it by being a workaholic and damn near slave to her clients. She cleans houses and they will ask her to sit for the dog while they are on vacation, pack up the house when they are moving to anothe rcity, clean the windows, do the gardening, etc. and she says yes just to hear them say how wonderful she is and how they don't know what they would do without her. She even worked on July 4.
Here's the kicker: She doesn't like to work for black families because they "ask you to do too much."
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khufu
Comment: DONE..NO! for those who HAVE done the research no speculation is needed. child abuse was not existent in traditinal african societies...there are certain pathologies among Black folks that specifically started with and during slavery that is the point...
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javone77
Comment: if there is ONE child in this country being abused or neglected I am concerend for that child! not making woo woo eyes at the parents who are doing their job.
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bigchassie
Comment: okay....now i'm going to go look at Obama tee shirts.
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javone77
Comment: ginger: aw naw. momma wants acceptance. she is looking for the love from her clients that her mom doesn't give her. I pray that she can work through this. my granny used to clean the house of a rich white woman. but my granny would tell her what to do as she sat down lol Momma is emotionally scarred I am sad to say. there comes a time when it is just time to pack it in. and I think that time has passed. she wants her mom and she probably doesn't understand why her mom treats her that way. but family is gonna have to stop puahing them together. if momma wants to talk...let her call. but cousin needs to stop calling and putting granny on the phone. I can't imagine what she is going through. now my father used to call me names when I was younger after my parents divorced but I finally got the strength not to give a rat's %*$ about what he was talking about. his family did the same thing and I had to stop seeing them. it's a sad situation but one that I had to do for me.
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javone77
Comment: chassie: lol I am going to look at the inside of my eyelids lol later everybody :)
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Name:
khufu
Comment: SHeet JAMER...
1) inadwquate educational standards, facilities and resources in pre dominately Black schools
2) the demise of HBUS's
3) Reparations
4) Black unemployment
5) Economic development inititatives for "inner citing" and/or urban residents
5) The correlation between Black on Balck Crime and the lack of cultural, social and ecominc resoucrs in Black communitites
6) The continued prevalence of instituional racism towards Black people whether through hiring, quantitative represenation
7) The need to Increase more Black-centreed curriculum in public colleges and universitities
8) the plight of Black farmers
9) CARICOM: Developing econiic relationships between caribbean nations and businesses and African AMerican and African American owned businesses
more?
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khufu
Comment: JAMERA have we met before? I dont think so.....
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Now if he is going to be the President for all the poeple then shhet he needs to be the President for Black folks and address all our issues
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musbdherbs
Comment: Jamer...first of all..I wouldn't be running because I'm simply not that conciliatory....lol But, if I were, in an era where positive stories about black men are few and far between, I would be sure to keep my conversations of condemnations short because of HOW the MSM will selectively choose to deal w/it. Please tell me---straight question---when was the last time you saw a politician, an activist, or otherwise lead a discussion about black women's problems outside of black men...if this conversation about is having about our "community" is so on point and neccessary? Yeah yeah yeah..we have the hill harper's of the world on our side. How many times have you seen him lead a national dicussion? Be interviewed on a major news network? Have his work or other black men who are doing their part acknowledged publicly? I don't "expect" Obama to be nothing more than what/who he is. However, I WOULD expect a black man..concerned about the image of all black men...to recognize whenever he begins these speeches where he criticizes black men..that it WILL be used to continue to tear us down despite his good intentions...that is unless you can show me a time where these conversations about black men have proven to be effective when presented publicly. Fact be told, Obama REALIZES that there are both social and more important, political ramifications of him continuing to make these "black men" speeches even though he recognizes that whenever he does...it only affects men who look like him and not the "community" he likes to talk about.
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khufu
Comment: DONE a good therpaist should already know that anytime a Blakcperson comes in that more than likely they have been impacted by an issue that can traced by to slavery....name one issue that cant be traced back to slavery...name one.....
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khufu
Comment: I want to hear Obama talk about India and China and Hong Kong and Taiwan.....
I want to hear him talk about Putin...has he yet discussed how he would approach Putin?
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musbdherbs
Comment: Javone..but that shouldn't be his talking points. Allow activists to speak on that as there are plenty in the US..not a damn president of the US. I'm sorry but I am not gonna accept him being able to talk about black folk...but when it comes to issues specifically affecting us..the message has to be tailored to fit ALL americans...and then black folk should understand it. Fk outta here! do you think that hispanics don't feed their kids whatever's in their fridge? I bet he won't go to them and make a joke about it. This is sorta the same BS that came out of the Cosby conversation...everybody liked to say that it's a "community" problem. But whenever we discussed the problem, it was isolated to black men and poor blacks. That's not solving a problem. That's saying that it's a problem w/"them" not me.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Khufu..right! When Sharpton ran, I doubt that you can find a debate or speech where he blamed the yt man. What he did do was talk about institutionalized racism. What he did do was talk about what "we" have to do in our own communities. What he didn't do...was decide that it was better for him to talk about black men in a conversation-fueling way.
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JamerDelta
Comment: >>Khufu, Oh, I get it--just like Bush has or McCain will (dripping with sarcasm). Why are you holding him to a higher standard than McCain?--if he gets in office (McCain) will you demand all these things of him as well while he's trying to pass health care and deal with terrorists, stop a war and fix the economy etc. etc. A lot of this stuff may be on his agenda, I don't know, but you can't demand it of one candidate and not on the others...By the way, some of these issues we need to fix locally with our local leadership which you could easily be a part of...
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Mas90
Comment: Khufu... I said that because it is almost expected if we get a black man in office that reparations would be due for blacks but congress is majority white. There's been nothing but white presidents and they have already acknowledge the Halaucost within the last decade but not a damn thang regarding slavery. White folks want to forget about slavery. They do not want to acknowledge racism. Fear of a Black controlled planet is true. White doesn't want to be under that control. I don't know if I made my point. I just ate. Damn Wendys sucked all my knowledge away. Damn chicken nuggets.
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bigchassie
Comment: here is a great bumper sticker for your car...HONK IF YOU VOTED FOR BUSH..SO I CAN GIVE YOU THE FINGER!!
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musbdherbs
Comment: Jamer..using McCain as an example...real talk..If McCain continued to make similar speeches about the inadequacies of black men, do you think that would go over well...even though what he said would be true? Prolly not. That's why I don't buy this whole "we need to hear it" line that we keep spewing. What the majority of us WOULD say is "well damn McCain...y everytime you talk about black men....it always has to be in the negative...you mean to tell me you can't come up w/nething good to say about black men? Come on...you know it's true.... lol
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JamerDelta
Comment: >>Musb--exactly when was Sharpton elected president or even presumptive nominee? Never..Oh, ok--you have to address everyone and stick to the bigger picture to get to this point--once again, what is it that us intelligent people on this board don't get about being a politician and running for the highest office in the land?
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Exmun
Comment: I think that Barack solves this perceptions by some members of the Black community, by highlighting Black role models... Black people who are making a difference in their community. That way you can talk about the 'problems' without coming off as someone who is only pointing fingers. It's a subtle difference and I get Musbdherb's point. I still disagree, because when you READ the speech the whole "blacks must take responsibility" is not the central theme in there. And 'Herbs ought to understand nuance and context, because any other day on any other issue he's one of the first to point out context... or the lack of it.
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barnone
Comment: KHUFU> n reality BO will prob never address the issues u wrote of, b-cuz 2 do so would crush any hopes he has of becoming POTUS. jews have received billions of dollars n reparations and continue 2 receive, but black people will never c a dime 4 the atrocities that were and still are being committed against us. that's the unforntunate reality. i overstand your points and agree that these r valid issues which must b addressed, but his inability 2 do so only further highligts that glaring reality that my AA brethern n the confines of amerikkka refuse 2 acknowledge. amerikkka is not our home. it was never meant 2 b a place of prosperity 4 us, but rather a place of chastisment. garvey understood that. come out of her my people.
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musbdherbs
Comment: JAMER/Exmun..so what else are we gonna have to "understand" about Obama's presidential run? I would much rather him say NOTHING about black men than just talk about us like we're worthless because he KNOWS that it exactly how yt people love to see us. Ex..I read the speech and yes subtle differences do matter. Through over 400+ posts, no one has even addressed the fact that black men are routinely beat over the head in our community and on the public stage and that Obama should be mindful of that when he speaks. The resounding theme is "well you gotta understand the position he's in"..."we need to hear it"...."he's speaking the truth" and blah blah blah. Factually, Obama is making some of these statements because of their acceptance by the wider community. BUT this same community is not really interested in doing anything positive w/his message. They only want to use it as justification for y they believe what they believe. When a black president is telling you that black men are trifling and we laugh it off and high-five him...don't expect the wider community to say much different. End result---black men on the receiving end. I don't care who the person is...context matters less in those instances...especially when the reasons are political. Although I'm sure many will conveniently not remember, I felt the same way about his political reasons for denouncing and rejecting the non-support from Farrakhan and his throwing Wright under the bus. I don't have to like everything he does and those things..coupled w/his refusal to have speeches about black men who are doing big things...does not draw me closer to him AT ALL. I work w/black men often who take the same approach when mentoring young black men. Instead of CONSTANTLY speaking messages of empowerment...they always come in telling "who not to be like" or what the rest of them are doing wrong. Enuff already..just STFU. THAT is just not a very effective message. It's just not.
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bigchassie
Comment: how about this one....OF COURSE YOU ARE HURTING...YOU'RE GETTING SCREWED BY AN ELEPHANT! vote democrat 08.
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barnone
Comment: "when a black president is telling you that black men are trifling" HERBS i feel that's a bit of an exaggeration and u r taking it a bit 2 personal. i agree and also feel he went 2 far n "distancing" himself from Farakhan and even going so far as 2 say he denounces his comments. that wasn't necessary and he should have very firmly and clearly let reporters know what he thinks or doesn't think of Farrakhan is a non-issue. point is there r examples all around us of positive black men and negative black men. i and those of like mind celebrate the ones who r positive. we recognize and appreciate them/you and i'm sure you know that. i'm sure you have women/people who celebrate your greatness. this is who/what u should focus on and continue 2 build upon that and not put so much energy n2 what misperceptions others have of the "trifling black man" b-cuz as u so eloquently put it, you wear a size 9 and 1/2 so that shoe obviously don't fit. anywho, my brothas and sistas, it has been enlightening, but it's 1 AM and i do have 2 get up early n the AM. my oh so very RESPONSIBLE BLACK HUSBAND and i r taking r 4 beautiful black sons to a water park tomorrow. peace
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bigchassie
Comment: OH LAWD NO!!....I KNOW THERE ISN'T A YARD SIGN WITH OBAMA DRESSED LIKE MR T SAYING "GIMMIE YO CHANGE!" LOLOL!!
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Name:
DOne
Comment: >Khufu, so a black child who loses both parents in a car accident and grows up without ever resolving the issue of the death of the parents. That person's issues is due to slavery. Someone is develops a host of phobias due to a brutal dog attack as a child, its due to slavery. A soldier that is having mental issues due to fighting in Iraq; if he's white its due to the war, but if he's black, it's due to slavery. GIVE ME A BREAK. There are any number of things that can happen in a person life at any time that could cause them to seek help. There is not a single problem that exists upon blacks that doesn't exist upon other groups. Human beings have alway had issues and abuse exists in all societies, just because it wasn't lable as such or goes undocumented, doesn't mean it wasn't taking place.
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Mas90
Comment: :-) Yes, Done... when a child burns his hand on the stove it's because of SLAVERY.... when black people arrive late for work it because of SLAVERY... when a black man and black woman can't have a relationship its because of SLAVERY... when KFC runs out of chicken right before you(black person) arrive its because of SLAVERY!!!!
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javone77
Comment: chassie: where is that bumper sticker? LOL I need to get that one lol
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MelodyCool
Comment: ms_svelte, if he's black enough to address us then he's white enough to address them. He's using blacks as an easy whipping post and it's leaving a very bad odor. If he becomes POTUS their black azzes better look out because he has to prove he walks with a big stick and has nothing for blacks...won't even return basic courtesies. Obama is just as deceitful, conniving, cunning and manipulative as they come. Blacks better wake up and smell the coffee. He's very cocksure right now, but if blacks pulled back before November he'd start to treat us like regular constituents, but right now he doesn't. He's a two-faced hypocrite and a natural born "actor" who's going to reveal sooner or later he's not black. They always do. Watch him switch when the time is right. He has loyalty to no one! Mark my word.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Uh Oh, Melody is BACK! She skipped most of the day to make an evening return.
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Name:
javone77
Comment: mas90 ROFL stop it lol
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: What? :-)
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Name:
javone77
Comment: mas: stop getting stuff stARTED LOL
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Oh.... well I'm still at work so I'm trying to fill my day, ya know.
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Name:
javone77
Comment: mas90: you know what...they just showed they clip of his seech about responsibility. It makes since...he didn't say blacks but one line that he said "as hard as I am fighting to make sure that gov't is doing it's part...none of it will make a difference if we don't do our part" which makes since. he can't confront our issues if we can't show that we are at least trying to help ourselves. anything less is nothing more than more governmental handouts. period.
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Mas90
Comment: I feel Obama means well. I don't feel he is attacking one race but all the races have issues, sh*t. Be responsible for your actions.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Aiight, I'm heading home. What post is this 832?
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Name:
javone77
Comment: lol not sure. see ya :)
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Name:
ms_svelte
Comment: "as hard as I am fighting to make sure that gov't is doing it's part...none of it will make a difference if we don't do our part"=======> fighting doing wtf?
Have I missed something?
Let's try this scenario....pass reparations into being..then chasten me into taking better advantage of them. Address racial disparity in the workplace and then fuss at me for not trying harder to get a job.... or even better make a direct promise to me and my group and then maaaaaaaybe you can get away with a slanted comment - once.
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Name:
Robbyroc
Comment: Check out the remix of Obama rapping over the Pointer Sisters Yes We Can Can
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU9HvvqzyRY
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Name:
blakman
Comment: Once again Barack has made fools of us. I think his message is timely and necessary. However, the more he repeats it the more he sends the message that we as a group are irresponsible. As if we are not having this conversation in our barbershop, homes, schools, jobs, etc. Stop treating us like a bunch of uncultured savages. I don't hear him saying anything about police butality (i.e. Sean Bell), currently day racism, redlining by insurance companies, low performing inner city schools, etc. Sure we have many issues that can be solved with a upgrade in our personal behavior. But are we the only group??!! When he goes to Central Pennsylvania he bowls with the white boys and throws gutter balls and laughs about it. In rural Indiana he shoots hoops with white boys and yuks it up. Why is it when he comes to hang out with "us", he brings this moral responsibility message. Unless I'm seeing something different, I see a politician attempting to win over that golden prize required for winning---working class whites. He will do anything to blow smoke up their azz. Sounds like that slave on the plantation that massa uses to admonish the other slaves and remind them to obey. Remember the movies "Life". There was the character that always had the shotgun ready to shoot anybody that massa didn't approve of. Not saying BO is an uncle tom. But in his drift to the center, he's really beginning to sound like it.
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Name:
deedeeVon
Comment: khufu > It's interesting that you always find the need to put black women down when the subject is about black men. You mentioned earlier how promiscuous black women are and that they need to stop sleeping with these men and having babies. You seem to imply that women of other nationalities are not promiscuous. I’ll have you know I grew up in a predominantly white environment, Work in a predominantly white environment and have several friends of different races. Of them all, white women are the nastiness, most promiscuous of them all. Again, in high school and college, I was shocked at how many white girls drank and gave it away. Men would run trains on them all the time. Guess where I and the other black girls were? In our rooms, studying and helping the white girls get cleaned up when they came back to the dorms pissy drunk and raped. It's just an illusion.
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: Simply put...The problems Blacks face in this country are BOTH the responsibilties of Blacks & MOSTLY....AMERICA!!!! We have to fix US! & AMERICA DAMN SURE has to fix .....AMERICA!!! One!!
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Name:
RodEckstein
Comment: Guys if you get a chance, always look for the online (news)-papers (NBC/ABC/Daily News/Daily Breeze/Telegram Press) in your areas, especially if they have a comment section following stories. Many of these are hosted by www.topix.com and any story about Blacks are immediately swarmed by racist whites with humilating comments about Blacks. I really could use the help of other Black reader disspelling the stereotypes Whites are writing about us in those comment sections. In this day and age, whites are hiding behind the internet to take shots at us as opposed to hiding under white sheets as in the olden days. See you on the net in your city.
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Name:
sweetpea
Comment: He is right we need to stop blaming others and circumstances on why some of our communities are in the state that they are in. Racism and prejudice exists but our ancesters fought and died for equal opportunities and that did not stop them from achieving what they wanted and for future generations to have and continue to have. The fight will never be over. Some African-Americans believe the fight was over in the sixties but injustices sitll linger today and sometimes we are our worst enemy. We need to buck up! Especially alot our black men, buck up!
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