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ChocolateBrownGa1
Comment: I thought Elisbeth made some good points about how it should be exceptable of anyone to use it. Sherri sounded like an idiot. Goldberg did a good job presenting both sides especially the example about her mother voting.
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TMan
Comment: Interesting. Good points made on both sides - Whoopie and Elizabeth. But some things Whoopie said I did not agree with and some I did. Same for Elizabeth. Everyone has an opinion on this subject whenever it comes up. It is good that this conversation is taking place through the pain and the tears though. That needs to happen and it will as we see for some folks when discussing it.
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javone77
Comment: Tman I agree. it's just time to get it all out. that's one thing I can say I about obama. his campaign is the reason why blacks feel safer now to air their grievances and feel that others can now at least listen. they been aired before but white people never had a reason to listen. a lot of eyes are now opening.
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TMan
Comment: Slavery was a hell of a thing. Mental, Social, Psychological, Physically, Spiritually and more. The effects still go on and on. We always had our own cultures as African people. When we were bought and sold into slavery in America, we were forced to create our own subcultures and code of languages even further to stay alive and communicate. White folks to this day I think get frustrated and flustered for not being able to keep up wth how much and ho quickly we change. Even corporate America cannot keep up tho they try hard. This reminds me of when that black female comedian said if they ever wrote a Dictionary of Hip-Hop, you need to write it in pencil, because the words and meanings keep changing and always will. This also reminds me of what Erykah Badu said when she was talking about teaching from an enlightened state, "...We have the knowledge to free the slave, and the slavemaster..." Think about it.
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TMan
Comment: ChocolateBrownGa1, I agree with you about Whoopie's point about her mother not being able to vote. White folks like Elizabeth need to be reminded of that when they say "we live in the same world". That is just one of many examples Whoopie brought out. She coulda gone on and on on that subject alone - Inequities, injustices.
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TMan
Comment: javone77, I agree with you. It's almost as if Barack's very presence in this whole Presidential Race is making something meta-physical go on about the race discussion, the Presidential Race and more. Again, we see how Elizabeth cried and was brought to tears in airing her own opinion about her feelings on it for wanting a better world and being heard out in trying to get some understanding and what she wishes for her children. You are right. This long overdue conversation is being forced to come out. Through the pain, tears, hurt - all that on both sides. Well intentioned white folks saying "We dont get it - can you help us understand?" - Black folks saying "Let me break it down to you - Do you get it now?" ""...We have the knowledge to free the slave, and the slavemaster..." In other words white folks still have a problem admitting what they did, so we have to explain it to them FOR them. Ain't that somethin? Like Malcolm said "The Bible says 'Lord forgive them for they know not what they do" No! As long as they were doing what they were doing to us, they knew EXACTLY what they were doing!" And now we got to splain it to them! LOL! Aint that a blip?
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javone77
Comment: Tman: I know right? LOL they act like they are slow sometimes. LOL they are guilty of wanting to sweep slavery and segregation and all that under the rug and forget about it. and that is what infuriates black people the most. There are people right now walking the earth that don't know their grandfather or grandmother...entire family trees wiped out because of that BS. you can;t just ignore that. Now I am not one of those people who goes around hating white people for slavery...well I did when I was watching rosewood.....but hell they didn't have to kill florida evans! LOL but seriously, I went to a college where the head of the vocal music department was racist. I spoke up to him and spoke out and we actually became friends. he knew he had no choice but to respect me. so I decided right then that I was gonna be an example. I was gonna show small minded white people that a black girl from the south side of dallas who grew up without a father was gonna be somebody. and I graduate this sunday with a master's in business administration. they have no choice but to respect my gangster and that's how I shut all that foolishness down.
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justmythoughts
Comment: Javone77, I hear you regarding Rosewood. That movie had me so upset I couldn't sleep the whole night!!! Elizabeth is lke so many White people in that when you try to explain something to them they just totally ignore it and try to make things something that it is not. When Whoopi said, " I just told you", EH looked like she didn't understand a word that Whoopi had said. White people can many times be very dimissive and single-threaded on their way of thinking all the while not realzing that they are trying to dictate your thinking. In a very subconcious way they want you to agree with or say what they are thinking.I remember once when I was in South Africa just after "the change" some White South Africans asked a Black South African what he preferred to be called. As you know there are a lot of labels in South African based on your heritage/mixture. Anyway, this man who was "light-skinned" stated that he wanted to be called Black. These White people just couldn't understand that and a big debate ensued. They then turned to me and asked me if I thought that was ridiculous. I stated to them that this is what is wrong with some White folks, they don't listen. The man just stated to you that he wants to be called Black. So at this point, what is the discussion. They looked at me like I had two heads growing out of my neck because I jsut took onboard what the man had stated.
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TMan
Comment: javone77, go head! whatchusay! thats what Im talkin bout! that's how you shut em doooooown! proud of you! do you thing! FLorida Evans in Rosewood! Oh no! Yes, I memba that scene too! Interestign story about your music teacher. I am lookin forward to this CNN special nxt week about BLack In America.
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oldsoul
Comment: I believe Whoopi gets it right on this one...Elizabeth - bless her heart, unfortunately, is delusional evidenced by the fact that she believes we live in the same world...lol. IMO, the key word is "culture". And one step further, the thing that has caused us, as a people (Black people), to have to address this issue is that we have not #1 learned to "fully" embrace our culture (blame that on self-hate via the making of a slave) and #2 we have failed to protect it (remember jazz, rock&roll and hip-hop - we created that). America is one big collective culture made up of several individual cultures [largely, Black culture truth be told]. All of these separate cultures that make up this American culture show a public face and a private one. There are many things about the Euro-american culture that we would never be privy to unless we spent enough time in it to know its private face...and the same goes for Asian-Latino-etc. cultures. Who knows the type of sh*t they say behind closed doors! Bottom-line is that the dictionary meaning of the word n*gg*r can apply to any human, period - basically it's an idiot. And Black folk, with our natural ability to create and innovate, have made it so that a "n*gg a" can be anything from an old white woman on down to a squirrel running across the road. F*ck all this, we better be trying to find a way around these microchips-National IDs-and Ameros (the currency that kicks in when the dollar becomes worthless). Hey, watch yo back!
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Taurusingr
Comment: YT can NEVER be comfortable with things they can NOT do!, or have control over!! And this word???...is one of those things!! If Elizabeth & any other White person would just "respect" the fact that the term IS different when some of us use it?? the shyt won't be such a hard thang to understand! Whites like Elizabeth don't really respect Black people & can't comprehend how Blacks can do something like take the term that WAS negative to us & "turn it around"!! But all it would take is simply..."listening" to the fact that IT IS DIFFERENT coming from ANYONE but US!!Also...like Whoopi sort of hinted at...why do those Whites who "say" they don't want to use the damn word...always put up the BIGGEST fight about it!!??? WTF!! See, that right thurr?? is "THE TRUTH" raising it's head!!! Bottomline??? It's the "lack of respect" that's the common link to ALL this shyt!! Even if WE do use it & say ..."hey White people!!...yall CAN'T!!??? If they DID respect US?? they would simply drop the shyt!! & NOT use themselves!! This shyt ain't ..."new math"!! EVERYONE knows WTF Blacks have been through in this country & ESPECIALLY WHITE people know!! Hell, the "hell" we catch....comes from THEM!!! Plus..."they" created this damn word anyway!! They just can't except the fact that they don't OWN it anymore!! So they can "pretend" they don't understand all they fukkin want to!! But that shyt ain't fooling NOBODY!! They don't respect any OTHER race but...there OWN!!! One!!
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barnone
Comment: u know when whoopi was first chosen for the view, i was like yeah they chose her cuz she a steppin fetchit, won't make no waves. but after viewing this clip i have another respect for her. she straight handled mrs. hasselbach. although i do have a prob w/ the use of the word nygga by ANY1, whoopi made some very valid points.
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fanteeking
Comment: OldSoul: I've gone to a blues and Jazz concerts these past two Thursdays and NOT ONE singer or band member was AFRICAN-AAMERICAN so I know where you're coming from. Did yt steal blues and jazz or did we just give it away?
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barnone
Comment: "Did yt steal blues and jazz or did we just give it away?" FAN> considering the source i'm going 2 assume that was a rhetorical question.
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giantsfan
Comment: Elisabeth fully understands the logical double standard when it comes to the word nicca, and heres why; about 5 minutes before that discussion on the show, Joy used the word beeotch, and the whole panel and audience laughed out loud. Everyone knows if a man would have said that, all hell would have broke out. Its the same thing.When you are part of a certain group, you have leeway within that group. She just wants to use the word!
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Harleyquinn
Comment: I think she was wondering why would you want to still use a word that has caused so much pain. Can't be mad at her. Kramer and Dog got raked over the coals for using it. Jesse is being raked over the coals also, they [we] are tearing him a new one on the net. Jesse NEEDS TO SIT DOWN. Dang, they went through all of the trouble to bury the word and now it's okay to use the word.... When are we going to make up our minds?
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JamerDelta
Comment: LOL Y'all are at it already and its only 8:00am. I am someone who doesn't use that word and I ask people around me not to use it either. I did, however, get some satisfaction from Whoopi and Sherri's putting Elisabeth in her place. A lot of times she likes to come off as an expert on everything including race and she just doesn't get it or doesn't want to get it. Hopefully after all that yesterday she got it that there are differences in our worlds and that she needs to listen more than talk.
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Renetta
Comment: A little of Barbara's ego came out at the end - Whoopie and Elizabeth were running the show and SHE didn't like that. Anyway, I hate to say it but I see both their points. They both had good arguments. If I was raising a child it would be hard for me to tell them, you can't use this horrible word, but they can use it on themselves. I'm sorry but I don't care how you dress the word up - it was used when black men were castrated hung and burned. I can't - I used to, but when Richard Pryor said 'there are no ni##ers' I stopped using it. No matter how mad I get at us - it won't come out of my mouth. Period.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: so true, oldsoul saying "we better be trying to find a way around these microchips-National IDs-and Ameros (the currency that kicks in when the dollar becomes worthless). Hey, watch yo back!"
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HarrisThomas
Comment: at our spiritual centers, we know that only we can define ourselves, that we should define ourselves and that what we don't have control of is how mainstream media formats over the years have ever defined/depicted us . . . . . these days, we contribute to that MSM content largely through sports, entertainment, and local crime news because we are hugely material and like getting paid despite the negative images that we help to project about ourselves . . . . . we are the change that we have been waiting for and we need to sustain a dedicated change effort . . . . . . we can't change by wandering in the desert wilderness for 40 years until the negativity dies out and yet we must find sustained ways to make the positive changes . . . . . we have somebody who is showing us that we can play by YT's rules and succeed (please don't start with the messianic crap) . . . . . whose permission do we need to be the best of the best? are we afraid of succeeding without YT's thumbprint all over our efforts? do we have to hold each other in suspicion for striving towards positivity? . . . . . the Christians on this board know that we have gifts that we are supposed to accept and use but so many of us choose to envy others' gifts instead of working our own gifts in tandem with others . . . . . in the spirit and the natural world, let's be the change that we are waiting for
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Reds
Comment: The irony about all this is that here we have two black women, on TV, with the whole world watching, but honest enough to acknowledge that they use the word amongst other blacks. “It’s for us to use, not whitey, and it is different when we use it”, notwithstanding all the bull about burying it. Now contrast this with all the niguz on this board, behind a keyboard, but too scared to admit their use of the word also. Honestly, how many of you niguz, being in a purely black setting, protest or feel any emotional discomfort when someone uses it in the exact manner Jesse did. “.. talking down to niguz…” I didn’t think so.
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Grace12_34
Comment: Renetta is correct. The "N" word IS powerful because of the history attached to it and the images it evokes. It's no wonder black people don't get any respect. In order for others to respect us, we must first respect OURSELVES, something we don't seem to be able to do with any degree of consistency. Sherri is an idiot and an embarrassment. Elizabeth is correct in the sense that it begins AT HOME, and these foul-mouth celebrities need to clean up their acts. I do not use the word and neither does my teenage daughter. She's always running home telling me how outraged she feels when she hears other kids using that word.
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Platinum
Comment: Whoopie Goldberg is a hypocrite and Sherri is an idiot! How soon we forget, wasn't it Whoppie Goldberg who allowed her one time WHITE boyfriend Ted somebody to paint his face black and clown her in front of hundreds of people? Didn't our people fight and knock down those black face stereotypes too? She tried to make excuses for that one too. Sherri has an apple for a brain, what makes this adult person thinks she can tell another adult what word they can and cannot say? To me they looked like two fools trying to justify their use of the n-word.....*deep sigh*.... my people.... my people!
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Grace12_34
Comment: Oh, and to H-E-L-L with Whoopi Goldberg. I NEVER liked her.
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adifferentpath
Comment: speak on it oldsoul!
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adifferentpath
Comment: comment of the day, "This shyt ain't ..."new math"!!" - Taurusingr
Love it.
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BlkATLTop
Comment: I stopped using the word around 1991. So I've bee ni gger free for almost 17 yrs now.
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adifferentpath
Comment: and finally, THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING IN LOVE HARRISTHOMAS
"we have gifts that we are supposed to accept and use but so many of us choose to envy others' gifts instead of working our own gifts in tandem with others . . . . . in the spirit and the natural world, let's be the change that we are waiting for"
agreed.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Yep, it's happening..the chickens...are coming home...to roost. LMAO Due to our insatiable (albeit ridiculous) desire to admonish/justify the use of a word while at the same time declaring this country as a "we gotta be fair" nation, we are giving yt folk (as usual) their talking points. Funny thing happened y'day. I was in Borders and I'll be damned if I didn't almost choke on a bestselling book titled "Skinny B itch." Even I was like WTF? lol I doubt if we'll see a conversation about how it's not fair for the two women authors to use it but no man can. Oh well such as the life of understandable double standards.
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musbdherbs
Comment: BlkATL...nope.. you obviously ain't nig ger free. You just used the word. In case you didn't know, the appropriate way to refer to nig ger/nig gah in any form/context is "n-word."
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dport
Comment: Whaddup my homegirl, javone77!! For years I lived off Bexar St from the sunny side.....BUT I'm one of those gents that doesn't want the n-word. Very recently I had to put an African-American co-worker in check who made the comment that my predominantly African-American neighborhood 'was filled with n****as'. It bothers me that just by viewing my skin-color & where I live I could be called that so easily. The word has lost NO power and still has negative overtones. We live in the same world using the English language.
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Stephanie
Comment: The bottom, this whole situation just shows JJ for the total hypocrite he is. He is the self appointed spokesman for ALL of black America but when it comes down to, he's no better than the rapper with illegitimate kids and whose raps lyrics are laced with N@igga only to sell records and make a dollar. To make it even worse he knows just like we all do that Faux News is racist and HATES the fact that BO will more than likely be the POTUS so therefore, why was he even on the damn show? I bet you a thousand dollars he got paid for it and they just set him up and know all of us have to really wonder if everything he did as our self appointed spokesperson for his own personal gain???
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nycGYRL888
Comment: As frustrating as this subject is, I do agree with some of the things both women are saying. I personally don't use the word because I do find it degrading but as Whoopi stated, blacks have just taken the word back to remove the power from the fools that created the word in the first place. The discussion needs to happen. People such as Elisbeth have a hard time understanding where black folks come from but when I read articles such as posted on this link: http://ny.metro.us/metro/local/article/Obama_slave_shi rt_sparks_lawsuit_threat/13001.html
The pain becomes all to real again!
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javone77
Comment: dport: aw snap!!! sunny south dallas in the house!!!! :) I was from oak cliff but not the uppity side...the REAL side. off of beckely and overton reight behind south oak cliff high school...or school of crime as we called it LOL
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Platinum
Comment: Thats just it nycGYRL888, the word still have power or we wouldn't get so upset when they (white people ) use it. So the point Sherri and Whoopi tried to make was baseless at least to me anyways.
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adifferentpath
Comment: the word bytch has power too...depending on who gives and who receives. judgment is interesting depending on where you're standing. I prefer not to be called a bytch or use the n-word....however, if i'm mad enough....or in the throws of passion...who knows what may come out of my mouth...and the recipient of the latter tends to enjoy it. saying all of that to say, the conversation is nice to have; yet they're a few variables to the picture though.
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mandinka_99
Comment: When it comes to the n-word, it's always been a multi-layered nuanced thing with me. And yeah there is a double standard that white folks need to deal with. For example, I generally don't use the term "bytch" in reference to any female. But if my woman gets off on me pulling her hair and growling the word "bytch" in her ear while we are engaging in private intimacy, that's JUST BETWEEN US. If her and her female friends toss the word around them as a generic description of femininity, that's for them to do ... not me, since I ain't no woman and never will be. The only context white folks REALLY know how to use the n-word is as an INSULT. Just like the only context I'm probably gonna use the words "peckerwood", "honky" (I'm dating myself now) redneck and "poor white trash" as insults to white people. My use of those phrases are gonna be limited to talking in-house to other blacks and white people are perfectly within their bounds and comfort zones to call each other those terms with impunity. Probably second only to the word "fu*ck", no other word in the English language provokes such varied visceral and emotional responses than the "n-word". If I told a female "fu*ck you", I'm being obscene, but if I'm comin' from the back and she's screamin "fu*ck me", the word takes on a whole different meaning! The as far as that public burial of the word last year ... well ... as long as people continue to ACT like "n-words", the word is gonna keep rising from it's grave like Dracula!
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adifferentpath
Comment: exactly mandinka!....yes, yes, yes...(twirling hair)
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JamerDelta
Comment: Mandinka--no you didn't go there with the sexual references--LOL I was cracking up, but you do have a point there--context matters!
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Olivia
Comment: I don't use ni**er/a at ALL.
However, I have heard this since college " why can't we say the N-word"? They can, they do! Whites have been using it for hundreds of years, hell they use to put it in store signs. Not one black person is stopping them from saying anything they please, what they want is to be able to use it without blacks getting mad, sorry it doesn't work like that!
White people are some strange creatures. I have never wondered why I can't say: wop, ki*e, cracker, honkey in public.I just heard two Italians calling each other a Guido, I didn't think "why can't I".
When Whoopi tried to explain Rev. Wright's angry about America and the injustices blacks suffered and this chick said he needs to get over it!
Elizabeth is full of it. A couple of years back she announced her husband Tim was going to the Washington Redskins. Joy turned to her and said "isn't that a racist name to call a team Redskins with a NA mascot".
I swear, Elizabeth said " I don't care, I'm happy he's on the Redskins, Go Washington?
What does that tell you "racial slurs" are only bad if it is not to HER benefit?
Elizabeth crying was fake....%*$! a big white gay lady screams at her she doesn't cry, Whoopi raises her voice it bring her to tears. SMDH
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musbdherbs
Comment: JAMER...I said the same thing..good grief! Felt like I was in a corner reading a cover from one of them Zhane womens books or some'n. lol
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musbdherbs
Comment: Olivia..remember there was an effort to change the name of nfl/mlb mascots because they were offensive to Indians. Most folk I knew thought nothing of it. BUT Indians were still offended. It simply mattered less bcz of the minute population numbers.
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JamerDelta
Comment: Musb--made me start thinking about some past lovers--damn! Anyway, y'all have fun and don't get too heated--I'm outta here for the day, but I'll be reading later! Have a great weekend y'all.
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mistyblu
Comment: Interesting but I never hear blacks use that word unless its in a negative way. Blacks use that word to put each other down. I heard an argument going on with 2 black neighbors and out came the MF and N word at each other. Or as my friend refers to her uneducated ex-husband that he is nothing but a "N".
Of course if, I being white, used the N word I would be in trouble but many black people think nothing of calling white people "crackers" or "hunkie".
I guess I disagree with Whoopi cause I think name calling should not be used at all by anyone. Doesn't matter what we call each other it has power and why its used. If you are obese and I call you fat--how can you take the power out of "fat".
Maybe Whoopi does not live in the real world either and hasn't since she became rich and famous.
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kwrob
Comment: This is idiotic that these two were arguing over the use of the n-word, and soley reading the transcript it seemed to be ironic that the straight laced Republican was arguing for stop using the word because of its history, and the Black woman was arguing for using it to try and desensitize it. I'm sorry but some words just will not be desensitized in this society. So they should stop being used period. Joy using the b-word in the way we Black people use it does not desensitized it. I just had a slip of the tongue and called my wife a b while in the middle of listening to her shout at me during an argument because I was just sick and tired of hearing her shouting. Well of course that sent the whole argument over the top. But it's okay for women to call each other that, or it's okay for Joy to say it on the air and people laugh at it. When is this madness going to stop? I saw Chris Rock last week in concert. and he had the nerve to say that people are trying to get rid of his "beloved" word "n!!ga", then ran down one rule of when White people can use it (between 4:30 and 4:50 AM on Christmas Eve and after they get mugged by a Black person stealing all of their Christmas gifts they bought-then and only then can they yell out "SOMEBODY STOP THAT N!!ger". Of course they have to have the police report to back it up later.)
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BlkATLTop
Comment: Musb- I should have clarified- I haven't utter the word from my mouth since 1991. Interestingly, I googled your handled "Musbdherbs" and saw that you once wrote:
musbdherbs. Comment: DOne...that's the slippery slope and tunnel visioned aspect of the whole nig ger debate. Anyone who has seen ragtime can......." So I have to ask you, when did you wake up and get religion and suddenly say today that "the appropriate way to refer to nig ger/nig gah in any form/context is "n-word."?
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yunvme
Comment: Do I get offended when people use it (other black people)? No. Is the word used alot? Yes. Do I think its stupid to use it? Yes. This is my thing. We get some people that really try to give a rational explanation for the use of the word. The funny thing is that no matter how intelligent an argument may seem on the surface, its still stupid. Who are we trying to kid here? No power has been taken from that word. Let some white person call your mother, grandmother, daughter, sons, sister a N1GGER or even a N1GGA and what? Thems fightin words right? So who are we really kidding? There is too much history behind that word for us to fool ourselves into thinking its meant as a term of endearment now. With that said, I do agree that its different when black people say it and when white people say it. The "younger" generation has room to grow and mature. So although I dont give young people a pass, I give them room to grow. I find older people who use it repulsive. Sometimes, I wish younger people would just take into consideration what "older" people are telling them. Wisdom use to be respected. How about this. Lets say its 2020. All the younger people now have children of their own and in 2020 Blackface is back and in fashion. We now "own" this and have changed the meaning. Now its "hot". You are cool if you sport this look. So we have all these young black kids/young adults walking around wearing white makeup with big red lips, buckin their eyes. What do you tell your children? Do you encourage them, or give them a history lesson? Anyway, back to the N word. I feel like this. I dont use it. If you want to use it, do so. You may not realize it and may think you are progressive and hip, but in reality you look like a fool. You embarrass yourself only- not me. So go ahead.
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kwrob
Comment: mistyblu, I agree with you somewhat, that name calling should not be done period. But you are a bit misinformed on when the n-word is used. That may be the only time you've seen it used, during an argument, but it's also been used as a way to demonstrate how one Black person feels about another in a positive light, like "that's my n!gga right there", same as that's my boy or that's my dawg-I like him. But you're right, some words you can't fully take the true meaning out of. Everybody knows that when someone calls a gay a fag, they aren't using the British meaning for cigarette. Or calling a White person a "cracker" does not mean they are calling them a saltine. And it's honky, not hunkie. I guess that's to mean they are calling a White person a pig because White people are more pink than White. I don't know. My kids use pink and brown to describe White and Black people. But hey they are 5 and 7, so they see things literally.
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mandinka_99
Comment: Jamerdelta, we need to be honest about some things. I went "there" because we Americans have a tendency to be very contradictory about a lot of things that hit close to home. We tend to SAY one thing and DO another. WE "buried" the n-word publicly last year, but has there been any substantial decrease in nigghardly behavior; publicly or privately? NO!! We also need to be honest enough that some words ... as offensive as they may be to some ... are the only accurate words that fully communicate certain things ina direct unmistakeable way. Case in point, saying "I'm gonna go downtown" versus "I'm gonna lick some p@$$y" garners two different responses in very different degrees! The same with "baby, I'm gonna make love to you" versus "baby I'm gonna fu*ck the shyt outta you!" ... whole different response, depending on what the woman in question is listening for and wnts to hear! By the same token the best applicable word for slovenly, ignorant , uncouth, calcitrant, beastly, neolithic pea-brains is the the word "nyg-gah". Simple word; easy to spell; two syllables ... and NOBODY has to guess what you mean when you say it!
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Fran
Comment: I hate to admit it, but I agree with Elizabeth on this. You can not say in todays world of education and knowledge that we can say it, but whites can not. It is NOT was never a term of endearment??? It is often used by us to mean a thug, hood rat. The only time it may have been construed as endearment as when we were saying in the early 90s "My n1gga." But N1gga in the black culture is used just like the cuss word M*thaf*cker. It is used as a cuss word. and we should stop, because we look stupid defending it.
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adifferentpath
Comment: yep, so many nuances to the "words" we use. i'm bringing back the 70's words - jiveturkey, sucka (my fave) and of course, fish-eyed fool and I won't be using thOse words during any acts of intimacy.
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katgrrrl
Comment: TMan comment: Like Malcolm said "The Bible says 'Lord forgive them for they know not what they do" No! As long as they were doing what they were doing to us, they knew EXACTLY what they were doing!" And now we got to splain it to them! LOL! Aint that a blip?" Go'head, brotha!
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oldschoolbrother
Comment: Culture is difficult to explain. I have always hated being the only brother at parties or after work events with co-workers because you get all the ignant questions about why so and so did this. One time a guy was trying to be serious when he explained that a older black woman got robbed cashing her check at a currency exchange and everyone at the party was like, what is a currency exchange, I thought everyone had a checking account. Of course they turned to me and I broke it down. Some people will never get it, some do and they make attempts to pass. I have another friend, latino cat who has been my friend for over 10 years but you would not know he was Latino unless he told you his name. That is how he was raised, changed his dialect, looks, mannerisms, everything. So it is either give in or keep it real. I like to go down the middle myself.
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Mas90
Comment: Blacks won't feel things are on right track until we re-do those school text book and tell the real story in depth. I shouldn't have to go to a black college to get the real story in detail if we all are suppose to get along.
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katgrrrl
Comment: IMO, Both Liz and Whoops both have good points. Personally, I don't like the word and it makes me cringe when I hear others use it in the street. But just cos some of us use and see it as a harmless word doesn't change the fact that when THEY use it, it still holds the same meaning as it did when we were in chains. And it always will.
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mandinka_99
Comment: adiffrentpath re: "exactly mandinka!....yes, yes, yes...(twirling hair)" Would I be wrong is presuming you like certain types of auditory stimulation when engaged in an intense session of hetersexual coupling?? LOL!
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kwrob
Comment: Comedian Gary Owen, who is married to a Black woman and has kids who look more like her than him, jokes about how he can't use the word but his kids can. Then they tease him about it
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Fran
Comment: Yeah, its no getting around it. Elisabeth is right. Besides, have any of you talk to your grandparents like over the age of 70??They dont like using it, Really my parents who are in the sixties do not use it. IT really emerged as a joke or cuss word, when it hit mainstream with black comics like Redd Foxx, Richard Pryor. But the old black generation use it way less than we do. Something is wrong with that.
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kwrob
Comment: oldschoolbrother,
Don't think those white people don't know about currency exchange. I've seen many of them go in there too. I even have a co-worker from rural Indiana who lives on a farm use on of them religiously.
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kwrob
Comment: I know y'all when Richard Pryor said he stopped using the word after he came back home from visiting Africa.
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mandinka_99
Comment: katgrrrl re: "...the fact that when THEY use it, it still holds the same meaning as it did when we were in chains." And therein lies the crux of the whole issue. White folks simply have no use for the word EXCEPT as a derogatory insult! They can use it as a term of endearment because very few, if any, of them actually KNOW US and truly ACCEPT US... individually or collectively ... to where they have that intimate insight we share with each other. Another example: an interracial couple is making love and the white woman grabs the brotha by the back of his neck and screams ..."c'mon nyg-gah ... give it to me!" Now somewhere in that brotha's mind he's asking the question is she really beeging me to REALLY give it to her or is this just a symptom of her jungle fever rising to the surface. In contrast ... same situation with an inter-racial couple except the female is a sista and the man in question is a white male and she says the same thing ... "c'mon nyg-gah ... give it to me!" How much you wanna bet that white boy is gonna be grinning from ear-to-ear???
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kwrob
Comment: Whoopi and others like her only need to look at the situation with Jeffrey Wright down in Shrevesport. I bet the cops didn't mean the word as a term of endearment while they were beating and tasing him, and you know that was the word they used. Anytime you see "racial epithet" the n-word is the first thing that comes to mind.
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musbdherbs
Comment: LOL@Jamer. Misty..uhm..since you are yt, I would doubt very seriously that you are fully allowed into the black experience..however close you may live to us. If you want to understand the point of view..you have to listen to what black people say..not what you think they should be saying. IMO, there is enough discourse (even on this board) for you to hear opposing views. I, being black, would be in trouble (as I should) for calling you a cracker/redneck/pwt regardless of how many times I've heard yt people say it. BLKATL...uhm..that was sarcasm. Most regulars on the board I'm sure recognized it..since it was coming from me...musbdherbs. YUNV..it's hard to compare nig ger to blackface cuz the latter has been completely eradicated from the public doman while the former never was. In short, nig ger never left our vocabulary not cuz of the "younger generation" it's because of old heads who continued to use it post-slavery/civil rights era. "Younger people" i'm sure never heard of blackface while nig ger has been floated around for eons.
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adifferentpath
Comment: mandinka_99 - yes, I do. and your last point in interracial coupling is very interesting....yet the word flys and no one stops and gets mad. ...interesting.
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musbdherbs
Comment: FRAN..the older generation also can't see as well as we do, have sex as often, and can't use a computer as well as we can. What "they" do isn't always a prereq for what we should do. MANDINK...ok..we gotta put u in the cool off room. What are you doing..reading a nip-hop novella?...lol
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queeniebunz
Comment: I want to clarify something for people who say we "took back the word" - that is BULLSH*T. The evolution of the word begins with whites, not us. From my studies, blacks started using the word because they got it from whites. The white slave owner would call a slave "N*gger Jim" and the name stuck. Blacks of any class never used it at home or in the street because to them it always meant something very negative. Negroes in the street, in juke joints, etc used it frequently as they do now in the streets/in hip hop/etc. but it was never a word that blacks of any substance approved of historically. For many blacks, once free, they did whate they could to lose all contact with the negativity of slavery and that includes the n-word. My dad grew up in the very racist Petersburg, Va where if you got caught on the other side of town in Colonial Heights and you weren't on your way to some whitey's house to work or on your way back, you'd better watch out. Growing up, saying the n-word in our house was like saying f*ck or sh*t. We got a soap sandwich and a pop in the lip. Historically we as a people never "took it back". We ADOPTED it. There's difference. We had to have it to begin with to "take it back". You never heard of the Yorubas calling each other the n-word over there so why do people say we took it back?
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adifferentpath
Comment: good point queenie, good point.
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ladyt
Comment: I think the word should not be used PERIOD! I don't care if it's coming from a black person or a white person. How can we condemn white people for using the word towards us, if we keep using towards each other. I know some of you have stated that when "we" use it towards each other, it forms a different meaning by using the "a" and not "er".. but I'm not advocating that nonsense because no matter how we say it, it shouldn't be said. I know I might get flack for this, but we need to stop making excuses for why we do some of the things we do. If we want and demand respect, we must first treat each other and ourselves with respect. Do you see or hear white people going around calling each other "whitey" or Jews calling each other "kite". We are the only race that demeans ourselves and we have to STOP IT... period! I don't like the word, don't use it, never had, and never will.
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Fran
Comment: Musdherbs, contraire, if we are going to look back to the past generations of blacks and use that as an argument as to its meaning and to its justifiable contradictory use today, then the opinions of older blacks do matter. It is that type of thinking that the older generation does not matter, that has US looking stupid saying N1GGA, is a term of endearment?? Older blacks do not feel that way. Everyone knows Jesse never counted. Im still wondering if he sold out MLK.
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asiaticblackwoman
Comment: I'm sorry but I think we live in 3 different worlds...I part of that group that refuses to use that word, don't have friends who use that word (to my knowledge) and taught my son NOT to use it. I think people, especially younger black kids think it's cool which translates into pop culture like, here's a term that we can use to relate to this generation. Then the kids in the burbs start calling themselves and each other a bunch of n*ggas. I will never understand this. The n word is not like the b**** word, it's not interchangeable, the b word has a real meaning the n word was and always will be derogatory. We're just pretending to take it out of context.
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mandinka_99
Comment: kwrob re: "In short, nig ger never left our vocabulary not cuz of the "younger generation" it's because of old heads who continued to use it post-slavery/civil rights era." As one of those old heads who grew up in the South (Tallahassee, FL.) during the civil rights era, I feel obligated to offer my perspective (yep ... here comes a history lesson!). Growing up, I rarely heard the word used except to describe the low-life elements in our community and even then it had more to do with their BEHAVIOR rather than anything inherent about them as human beings. In the late 80's and early 90's when the word 'nyg-gah' was a popular 'term of endearment', older cats like me understood that to the white man we were ALL 'nyg-gahs' whether they said it to our faces or not. It was usually just a matter of time before they got around to calling us one, outright ... regardless of our education, social status, or whatever! the problem with the hip-hop/rapper over-use of the term was that they actually promoted and perpetuated an image that was consistent with the worst derogatory connotation of the word! In short, they began to be real-life flesh and blood avatars of the word! Up until then, the word was pretty much a mental construct in white folks' heads. For the most part, the majority of black folks didn't and still don't act like nyg-gahs or advocate a nigghardly lifestyle. But white found a way to mass market the concept and WE were one his biggest customers! But nowadays rappers are the modern-day blackface of nyg-gahs!
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pn2ppr
Comment: TMan, you are speaking some science today brotha! I am not even going to add anything, you got this - go'head! *reclines in chair and folds arms across bre%*$esses*
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mandinka_99
Comment: musbdherbs re: "FRAN..the older generation also can't see as well as we do, have sex as often, and can't use a computer as well as we can." I TAKE EXTREME EXCEPTION TO THAT REMARK!! LOL!!! Well ... the part about not seeing as well is true because I wear bi-focals! But hold up now! I'll have you know that I BUILD desktop computers as a hobby! And my mere presence in this room/forum contradicts the statement that we old-schoolers CAN'T USE A COMPUTER as well as y'all youn'uns! As for the sex wisecrack, I'll have you know, I dated a young lady who was 20 years younger than me and she COULDN'T KEEP UP 'wit 'cha boy, thankyouverymuch, LOL!!! And I ain't even on Viagra, yet!!! And when I do, I'm gonna be crunchin' them pills like Tic-Tacs!! LOL!! As for coolin' off, no i ain't goin' to the shower room 'cause I'm to busy tryin' to holla at a differentpath! LOL!!! She's a sista that seems to like her pillowtalk to be a lil' risque ... my kinda woman!!! LOL!!!
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CrazzeeGyrl
Comment: This word is still alive. A few weeks ago my co-worker came in the office upset. She was cut off in traffic by a guy who was upset because another car let her in front of them and he was trying to get over. This guy yelled at her and called her a white %*$!(. She ignored him and kept driving. He stopped his car in front of her and blocked her in, got out of his car and starting screaming expletives at her. I guess he realized she wasn't white and then called her a ni gger %*$!(. He was very much a white guy.
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CrazzeeGyrl
Comment: I am so sick of Elisabeth thinking that this world is so rosy and peachy and we all get along. She doesn't have a clue about the atrocities blacks have endured. She is always thinking we live in the "same" world and we should all just get along.
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katgrrrl
Comment: Mandinka_99 re: "White folks simply have no use for the word EXCEPT as a derogatory insult!" Thank you! That is EXACTLY my point. Refer to Charlie Sheen calling his ex-wife, Denise Richards the n-word. He chose that word for a reason. That was Charlie's way of calling her the lowest of the low. It's the most degrading thing he could think of to call her. He also called her an effin' c**t, a liar, and a coward, but he ended his tyrade with the n-word. That was the exclamation point. That was the sum of all of the negative things that he thought about her.
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mandinka_99
Comment: ladyt re: "If we want and demand respect, we must first treat each other and ourselves with respect. Do you see or hear white people going around calling each other "whitey" or Jews calling each other "kite". As a matter of fact, white people DO call each other "white trash" and Jews DO call each other "kike"! BTW, K-I-K-E is correct; if you called a Jew a "k-i-t-e" he'd laugh at you like there's no tomorrow! Jews will call each other a "schmuck" in a minute! This is the equivalent of calling them a "di*ck-head" or a "pr*ick"! But let a brotha or anybody else call them that and the Anti-defamation League will be knocking at their door! The difference is that there haven't been marketing campaigns selling everything from CDs, to jeans to sneakers cenetered around the images conjured up by those words!
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ladyt
Comment: mandinka_99: Undoubtley (sp) I can not argue with your sentiment. You won't get any argument from me...and thanks for correcting me on "kite"... that what happens when you type to fast! :o)
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ladyt
Comment: I mean "too" fast!
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: Sheri Shepard is simple and Elisabeth needs to go -quick.
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Name:
gingerg
Comment: We shouldn't use the word and neither should anyone else.
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Name:
mandinka_99
Comment: adifferentpath ... holla at a brotha! LOL!!!
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Name:
adifferentpath
Comment: -breaking in the convo - I'm just reading y'all, mandinka_99, puleeze, no crunching 'em like they tic tacs, I reference, the color purple, "he died on top of me' - don't go there! LOL
btw- I appreciate this level of dialogue when folks DO realize that every race insults each other...usually it's just behind closed doors. Black folks are a somewhat unique bunch in that our shyt is just hanging out here in the wind for everyone to see. this is not the only way in which we're unique, just referencing the convo. AS we all know tho', what "Others" do should not dictate what "We" do. We are more powerful than we know.
-aight?, continue....-
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musbdherbs
Comment: Queenie:::I wanted to point out something that you..as a psych person may or may/n’t recognize. In your post, you used quite contrary terms when referring to people of your own...our race. First you said, “BLACKS of any CLASS never used it at home...” In the very next sentence describing the same race of people you said, “NEGROES in the STREET in juke joints, etc used it frequently as they do now.... it was never a word that BLACKS OF ANY SUBSTANCE approved of historically.” Reading that, I wonder how/why do you differentiate ‘tween two groups of blacks by using “black” to describe those of us w/class...and “Negro” to describe those w/out class? I find it interesting considering the logic in your post. Ladyt...uhm yes... Pat Buchanan wrote a controversial piece titled “A Brief for Whitey” and it was nary a bleep on anybody’s social radar. In contrast, fox news..et. al are pushing a story that Michelle Obama used the term ‘whitey” when referring to yt people. Ok for Pat...racist for Michelle. Double standards don’t always have to make sense to all.
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musbdherbs
Comment: . FRAN...if you read my post correctly, I never said old people’s opinions don’t matter. I said that we don’t always do things based on their approval. I doubt you will find many old men use “boy” in reference to any of their male friends. However, I use the term loosely to describe most of my male friends. That’s my boy!!! Asiatic...uhm...the real meaning of b itch is female dog. What is interchangeable about that? *scratching head* Mandik...I never differentiated “why” the old heads continued to use the term. I merely pointed out that their continued use of it (in any form) is why we know it exists today UNLIKE blackface. I agree w/both you and queenies explanation of “why” we used to say it. But, you can’t say “we didn’t use it” and then turn around and say “we used it to describe behavior” and then say “hip-hop/young people are wrong for using it to describe something else.”
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adifferentpath
Comment: btw mandinka, I'm sure I'm not the only person up in here who...talks...while handling my business, I just really sat down and thought about the "word" in question and where it fits in my vocabulary - if at all. Before I lied and acted all high'n'mighty, I caught myself realizing though I may not use the word in regular convo, while angry, or even when someone-white or black-cuts me off in traffic....well, I haven't totally eradicated the word from my vocab. We each gotta take a long look at ourselves -intimately. When certain buttons are pushed, people do and say....interesting (understatement) things. I realize this topic, my culture - which is Black and American - is an interesting one. I'm a work in progress and I make the change I want to see in the world. With that said...I will continue to stimulate all the senses when intimate in concert with my partner. Some nasty words are going to come out of my mouth - and I like it!- and hopefully out of his...after we get the usual clearances on what's acceptable *smile.*
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mandinka_99
Comment: there's a distinction between "bigotry" and "racism". I could be as big a bigot as Don Imus and call white people "white trash", "peckerwood", "honky" 24/7, 365 days a year! Even if I had a TV or radio show and did it, at the end of the day the ONLY thing that MIGHT BE HURT on the part of white folks is their sensibilities. I epithets won't stop not one of them from going to work, going to school or doing ANYTHING crucial to their lives. On the other hand ... on the part of white people ... usually preceding or closely following the use of the word nyg-gah is something they are currently doing or planning to do that negatively impacts black people! At worst, when black folks engage in hate and bigotry, all white folks do is get pi*ssed off! When white folks engage in hate and bigotry, you can best believe that somebody black is already or will soon be %*$!ed off AND OPPRESSED!!! As a group, black folks ain't been and have yet to be in any kind of to oppress anybody!
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mandinka_99
Comment: I'll be honest. The word nyg-gah is still a part of my vocab. There are plenty of them in my neighborhood and no other word in ebonics or the King's English more aptly describes them! And I'm clear when I say my use of the word nyg-gah fundamentally addresses "BEHAVIOR" as opposed to skin color! Although I'll be equally honest enough to say that when a white person engages in nigghardly behavior, my first impulse ain't to use the n-word to describe them. Weird, huh??
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mandinka_99
Comment: adifferentpath ... I'll say it again ... holla at a brotha! LOL!! I like the way you think and our convos would be inetersting to say the least, especially with the words we could be slingin' back and forth ... almong other things, LOL!!! ;)
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Name:
adifferentpath
Comment: ...and how do you propose I do that oh wise one?
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Name:
mandinka_99
Comment: adifferentpath ... mandinka_99@yahoo.com! What 'chu gon' do now?? LOL!!!
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DOne
Comment: Personally, I don’t use the N word and am quick to correct anyone who prefers to me in that way even if it’s meant in a brotherly manner. However, if we were to look at it in an objective manner, it’s stupid to try to bury a word; and whether we like it or not, language is dynamic; the meaning of words is constantly changing. Furthermore, anyone who has studied a foreign language was also taught that the meaning of a word often changes depending not only on the context, but also on the inflection of tone or emphasis on a particular syllable; Fvck and %*$!( are two such words. Like it or not, the “N” word has become one of those words. No one, white, yellow, or green, needs permission to use the term in a derogatory manner. The question is when blacks use it as a sign of affection, does that gives non-blacks to also use it as a sign of affection also. Is this even possible? The examples given by Mandinka are on point.
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DOne
Comment: At little off topic, but I’ve always stated that the deeper issue isn’t whether or not blacks use the N word among ourselves or use it as a term of endearment; but why is it that black men tend to adopt words with negative connotations in reference to one another, be it %*$!(, pimp, player, dawg, etc.
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Name:
adifferentpath
Comment: *smile*
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Name:
Angel
Comment: damn Mandinka-- I had a comment, but after reading your post, I felt the need for a cold shower **smoking a cigarette** LOL
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adifferentpath
Comment: DOne, you're asking some good questions:
One:
The question is when blacks use it as a sign of affection, does that gives non-blacks to also use it as a sign of affection also. Is this even possible?
I think folks -others - sometimes try to BE us...but really don't want to BE us - actually walk in our shoes. from the beginning of time, in this land, we've been a commodity, something to buy and sell on the marketplace. our words, culture, music, etc. what we're seeing around us is a manifestation of this. I go back to "terms of endearment" used by others within their own cultures towards each other that 'I' better NOT fix my mouth to even begin to say. I'm not rolling up calling anybody hispanic vatos...but "family" does.
Two:
why is it that black men tend to adopt words with negative connotations in reference to one another, be it %*$!(, pimp, player, dawg, etc.
I don't think #2 is too far off topic. possibly part of the healing process as a people. I would throw out "self-hate" as part of the answer as to why black men adopt certain words with - connotes, alas, I'm not a black man and would love to hear from some of them on the board.
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queeniebunz
Comment: >musb - what you read was what I meant. No one can deny that there is a class system IN EVERY RACE. There are black people that scare the hell outta me and make me clutch my purse close. There are white people that make me concerned that I'm gonna have a rope necktie if I go to their part of the country and get caught out in the woods by myself. There are Asians in street gangs who rob other Asians. There are latinos who mark their territory w/grafitti and generally terrorize their own community. Go to Langley Park if you don't believe me. What I learned in a criminology class back in college was that crime has always been statistically intra-racial and not inter-racial - we hurt each other more than other races hurt us. That can be said for any and all races. So yeah, I AM making a distinction between different classes of black people/negroes/whatever you want to call them. There IS a distinction to be made. There are low, common, pedestrian black people. To deny that means YOU are in denial. The word 'negro' vs. 'black people' really is irrelevant in my post. Thurgood Marshall was quoted saying that he was gonna call black folks 'negroes' til he died because that was what he was used to. I don't really see the word as negative. If it comes across that way, it isn't meant that way. I use the word negro interchangeably with "black person". I don't really use "African American" because 1) it's just too freakin' long and 2) because I've been "black" all my life and like Thurgood Marshall, I am content to stay that way. The argument that I shouldn't have to call myself African American because whites don't call themselves "Irish American" is a valid one but it's not really my point. "Black" is just easier for me and I use both. "Negro, please!" is something I say often. That's just me. It may sound derogatory but it's not. And regarding my interest in psychology, please understand that I am VERY aware of what I write. There is nothing subliminal in my writing. I do not lie to myself or other people when I express myself. I am not in denial AT ALL about ANYTHING. Anyone who knows me knows that everything I say can be taken at face value. You don't have to read between the lines with me because all of my words are on the lines. You dig?
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spittinthetruth
Comment: Reds. Don't get it twisted. There are lots of folks out there that simply don't use the word around our own or anyone else. For me, it is off limits, out of bounds and all that. I taught my 12 year old daughter that when she hears that word from anyone it is not okay. Like so many of this generation of children who can't appreciate the struggle, it is my duty as her mother not to allow her to buy in to the "term of endearment" argument. Both Whoopi and EB had some valid points, but that is one word that will never be able to have the "power" of its offensiveness taken from it such that anyone can use it (just not white on black) and everything will be okay. That is utterly ridiculous. When Charlie Sheen was caught on tape using it on his exwife who is white, for me the power was still there. I took that as he was going for the ultimate insult by calling her something that began as a derogatory reference to black people. Unacceptable on all counts.
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queeniebunz
Comment: mandinka_99 - You are making me a lil hot, too. My man is DEFINITELY gettin' some tonight. Not really interested in being called a b---- but I think I'm gonna ask him to pull my hair...
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kwrob
Comment: mandinka and adifferentpath, I didn't know this was a hookup site. Typical of a n!gga. No I'm just playing. I ain't accusing y'all of doing anything or calling y'all that term.
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coconutH2O
Comment: Man, "The View" needs to find someone a little less self-centered than Elizabeth Hasselbeck. What part of "conversation" does this eejit not understand? And I thought that Joy Behar was particularly annoying ... this recent exchange just got my blood pressure boiling!
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musbdherbs
Comment: Uhm..queenie..uhm...thanks for the history lesson on class but it really wasn't my point. I as.sumed that I had made my observation clear. But to clarify, you used one term (black) to refer to "high class" (for lack of better words) and another (negro) in referring to low class. Regardless of your intent, anyone reading it would reasonably as.sume that the "negro" reference was derogatory since you followed the description w/negative depictions of juke joint black folk. In a way, this is the same black vs. nyggah conversation being referred to above by others w/"nyggah" referring to low class, uncouth blacks. My response wasn't to suggest denial of nething..it was to point out a contradiction that you may not have even been aware of. Obviously you ARE aware that you use different terms to describe different classes of blacks and you are comfortable w/the distinction. I just wrongly as.sumed that someone w/your psych background would have been able to give a pysch analysis of y you (and most of us) would draw that line. But oh well. It is what it is.
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RealGAPeach
Comment: Hey long time no see so I guess I can jump right in. My mom is 74 and as most of you know she has alzheimers. She is always calling folks a %*$!(@. I laugh with her and say.. 'momma they're trying to get folks to stop using that word." She'll look at me and say, " I ain't heard nothing 'bout that." She's so cute.
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kwrob
Comment: I stopped watching that b-session since Star got fired because of the way they did it. And if they are going to have someone the caliber of Liz Hasselbeck, can they get someone who is less sensitive? Enough with the waterworks on camera everytime there's a confrontation with a strong willed person.
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MzTee
Comment: I understand both Whoopi's and Elizabeth's viewpoints, but I'm with Elizabeth on this one. That's why I try my damnedest not to say the n-word. I'm still in n-word anonymous, but I'm working on it (LOL). Too much history and blood on that word for us to think there is anyway to desensitize it and make it somehow neutral or innocuous. QB...loved this statement, "I want to clarify something for people who say we "took back the word" - that is BULLSH*T. The evolution of the word begins with whites, not us." We never owned it and for the life of me I don't understand why we try to justify all of the various iterations of the word. Just stop using the word and we wouldn't have to worry about its intent regardless of whose lips it falls from.
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mandinka_99
Comment: kwrob re: "...typical of a n!gga" if trying to hook-up with a sista who appears to be reasonably sane and has a working functional mind ... and who like a lil' bit o' risque pillowtalk ... makes me a n!gga ... then a n!gga I am and a n!gga, I'se gon' be! LOL!!!
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musbdherbs
Comment: DOne..as a black man, I do not believe that using words w/negative connotations when referring to each other is isolated to just black men. I think that more often than not, we tend to compare what black men/people do w/other races but give no thought to the fact that the majority of us aren't around other cultures enough to discern what they do or don't do. That is a common misconception. We generally say "you don't see/hear yt folk doing.." when our experiences are usually limited to our own race. I see more black people eat collard greens that yt folk. But that doesn't mean yt folk don't eat them...I'm just around more black folk that do. Culturally, we are the definition of cool. Much of our language is a result of popular culture...not the language of the elite. Your question actually does relate to the convo being had here today regarding the interchangeability of words. At face value, all curse words are derogatory. But, shyt..doesn't mean you have to shyt. Mfkr doesn't mean you fk somebody's mom. Son of a b itch doesn't. As s doesn't refer to a donkey. Bytch doesn' trefer to a female dog. So I don't think that isolating the terms we use when talking to each other is fair or any different from the curse words listed about which are used in a variety of contexts by the larger society.
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katgrrrl
Comment: "why is it that black men tend to adopt words with negative connotations in reference to one another, be it %*$!(, pimp, player, dawg, etc." You and me both wanna know the answer that THAT, DOne.
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mandinka_99
Comment: DOne re: " ... language is dynamic; the meaning of words is constantly changing." Case in point, in a lot of the "older" R&B songs of the Motown era, the phrase "happy and gay" meant a very light-hearted person or a cheerful, optimistic state of mind. if any of you EVER really listed to Luther Vandross's hit "The Glow Of Love" ... he talks about romantic love being "... all that new and true and gay". Since 1981, if you used the word "gay" in ANY context, almost universally everyone would think you're talking about homosexuality or a homosexual. And calling some folks "gay" nowadays is almost fightin' words!
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musbdherbs
Comment: I have yt friends who tend to use "fkr" when talking to each other. No psychology behind it. No self-hate. No sexual innuendo..just fkr.
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Taurusingr
Comment: So....WE had to/have to put up with ALL of YT's shyt!, for HUNDREDS of years!!, couldn't do/STILL can't do a LOT of shyt!!! & now???, YT can't put up with the fact that "WE" can use that word!! YT are some....evil,lying,selfish,greedy,"our shyt don't stink,want EVERYTHING for themselves, "get dumb" when the shyt don't work out in their favor!, IN denial muthafukkas!!! (Uhhh,just my thoughts yall!) One!!
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mandinka_99
Comment: katgrrl re: "words with negative connotations". I got a better one for you! I challenge ANYBODY to look in the dictionary and find a male-oriented word for "ho" THAT DOESN'T HAVE A NEUTRAL OR POSITIVE CONNOTATION! If you look at all the female-oriented words for "ho", THEY ALL HAVE NEGATIVE COONOTATIONS! So you see, this double-standard about words ain't just for the word nyg-gah alone!
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Taurusingr
Comment: P.S... YT made up this damn language, & now acts like they don't "understand" that one word can have several different meanings!!??? MOE lies from .....Chey YT!!! Holla!!
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Mas90
Comment: Why is that black men like imitate being a criminal? Refer to themselves as one? Rappers love doing this.
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Name:
Jack_Blackmusic
Comment: Fanteeking: { way off topic ]
That was an astute observation in your post about 90 back. You can't tell the difference between a Blues Festival and a Klan Rally except one has free beer and the other doesn't.
I played at several Chicago Blues fest's years ago, and haven't been back since.
The "Blues", and Jazz are really dead now as cultural institutions in our community. However there is always recordings.
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Name:
martha
Comment: what war liz upset 4 how does she think we feel as black people jesse is a fool he2 old we should proud of obama he made this far
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Name:
martha
Comment: what war liz upset 4 how does she think we feel as black people jesse is a fool he2 old we should proud of obama he made this far
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Mandinka... true re: LV Glow of Love but Marvin Gay added an "e" to his name. So these issues did exist.
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: Why do some always "internalize" the faults of YT & turn them on THEIR OWN PEOPLE!!??? WTF!! Like, what YT does is b/c of US!?? HUH??? GTF outta here!!! Holla!!
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Taurusingr
Comment: Oh!! I forgot!!...."Willie Lynch"!!! (answering my own question!!)
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Name:
Zumbagirl
Comment: I agree with Queenie and Lady T. I was very disappointed by the positions taken by Whoopi and Sherry on the View and found it eerily ironic that my view re the use of the word was being presented by the person I normally disagree with the most. I can think of no other culture of people who have GLORIFIED a term of hate used against them the way we have. We delude ourselves into thinking that we took something negative and transformed it into a term of "endearment." Keeping it "real," you can take a turd, cover it with sugar, cinnamon, and whipped cream, plop a cherry on top and call it a "sundae" but at its core it is and will always be a stinking piece of shyt.
The twisted Rule that we are free to use the word with abandon (even in public) but demand that anyone outside the family that uses it (even in private) must apologize, lose his job, etc. is fundamentally flawed and makes us look weak and hypocritical. IMHO
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queeniebunz
Comment: Taurusingr - please leave Willie Lynch alone. HE DOESN'T EXIST. It's the worst of urban legends because black people truly believe he's real. Look it up on the internet if you don't believe me. Somebody wanted to give a name to being color-struck and y'all ran with it. Willie Lynch is as real as the tooth fairy. Please read this -http://www.thumperscorner.com/discus/messages/11222/1 4041.html
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: It's a free country & all....But IT'S a DIFFERENT WORD when WE use it!! All the "pain & hate" it has when OTHERS use it?? isn't there when WE use it!! Okaaaaaay!?? Puuuuullllleeeeeeeze people, Damn!!
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: queeniebunz: No baby!! Willie Lynch IS real!! And thinking it ain't?? ( like some people think the DEVIL ain't real either!?), only continues the shyt!!
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: queeniebunz:...Ok!.. Let's agree to DISagree!..Since you don't believe it's real??, do you have another explanation for this "Stockholm Syndrome" behavior!??
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Name:
adifferentpath
Comment: kwrob - I got your point my negro (naa, not the same "ring" -LOL)
...and I really DID get your point. no offense taken. now....maybe that's because you 'typed' it versus saying it to my face. anyhoo, I choose to focus on what connects us vs. what disconnects us. thanks for the laugh!
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musbdherbs
Comment: Mas..can't give a real definitive example of that. But a couple of reasons could be that in general, bad boys are seen as cool/hip/popular. The image of which perpetuated in some fashion by women. This is true across all races. We are confusing being feared with being respected. The whole big bad black man thing. It could also be the remnants of a street mentality where bravado/brass instead of intellect..very similar to mobb cultures. Because we don't all do things for the same purposes...there are plenty of reasons...including insecurity. I'm sure many rappers do it because of the unfortunate financial success it brings. *think the visual image of a man with an obvious gunshot through shattered glass as an album cover* BTW..queenie..I read that somewhere years ago about Willie Lynch as an urban legend. Can't remember what it said...but i heard that too.
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Name:
adifferentpath
Comment: Taurusingr u are on it 2day!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Herbs...i think you answered your own question. It does sound like the case of the insecurities.
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Name:
mandinka_99
Comment: Zumbagirl re: "Keeping it "real," you can take a turd, cover it with sugar, cinnamon, and whipped cream, plop a cherry on top and call it a "sundae" but at its core it is and will always be a stinking piece of shyt." You might be too young, but a few older heads might remember during the "blaxpoitation" years when just about every movie with Black characters was about pimps and drug dealers. Even though pimps and drug dealers were clearly entrenched in the black community, none of the music, none of the movies glorified pimping and drug-dealing as "THE" thing to do! Yeah, back in the day, I owned a few pairs of platforms and a long leather "pimp" coat! I might have even even approiated a few "pimp" mannerisms and lingo. But only the lowest of the low ACTUALLY WANTED TO BE AND ACTIVELY SET OUT TO PRACTICE PIMPING AND DRUG-DEALING. And back in the day, there certainly weren't TV programs airing 24/7 promoting the pimp/drug-dealing lifestyle. Contrast that to today, where all the elemnts of nyg-gah-dom ... nyg-gah-rosity ... nyga-gah-tude ... are front in center in the lifestyles promoted and and attempted to be lived out by rappers. And what's worse ... we black folks are financing and YT is raking inthe profits at OUR EXPENSE. So the word "nyg-gah" has taken on a whole new life of its own, way beyond just the original purpose of degrading and insulting black people! Even worse, it's to the point that acting like a "nyg-gah" is celebrated and endorsed rather than something to surmount and overcome!
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: adifferentpath:..Hey there!! sml! Yo, I'm starting to feel like "Elizabeth HERSELF" is posting in this sucka today!! yah know!?? LOL!!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: According to web... WILLIE LYNCH was a theory not a person. I believe that too. I don't believe some white man came from the West Indies to Virginia in the 1700's to tell other white folks how to control their n*gga. I think it a theory written on paper passed around. NEXT N*GGA!
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Name:
adifferentpath
Comment: no mas, noooo
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Name:
CaliRedbone
Comment: No American minority group has been caricatured as often or in as many ways as Black people. These misrepresentations feature distorted physical descriptions and negative cultural and behavior stereotypes. The Coon caricature, for example, was a tall, skinny, loose-jointed, dark-skinned male, often bald, with oversized, ruby-red lips. His clothing was either ragged and dirty or extremely gaudy. His slow, exaggerated walk suggested laziness. He was a pauper, lacking ambition and the skills necessary for upward social mobility. He was a buffoon. When frightened, the Coon's eyes bulged and darted. His speech was slurred, halted, and stuffed with malapropisms. His piercing, high-pitched voice made Whites laugh. The Coon caricature dehumanized Blacks, and served to justify social, economic, and political discrimination. N igger may be viewed as an umbrella term, a way of saying that Blacks have the negative characteristics of the Coon, Buck, Tom, Mammy, Sambo, Pickaninny, and other anti-Black caricatures.
N igger, like the false impressions it incorporates and means, puts down Blacks, and rationalizes their abuse. The use of the word or its alternatives by Blacks has not lessened its hurt. This is not surprising in a racial hierarchy four centuries old, shaping the historical relationship between European Americans and African Americans. Anti-Black attitudes, motives, values, and behavior continue. Historically,
n igger, more than any other word, captures the personal hatred and institutionalized racism directed toward Blacks. It still does.
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Name:
queeniebunz
Comment: Mas and Musb agreeing with me. I think I'm gonna faint...
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: no what n*gga?
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Queenie, I going to catch you. [steps out of the way]
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Name:
adifferentpath
Comment: Mas90, good points. (my last post was sarcasm @ "NEXT N*GGA")
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: See....I KNEW this "think he know it all muthafukka was gonna put "HIS PANTIES" in this shyt! The statement was..."is it real" or not! The question WASN'T..is it a theory or a PERSON!! Plus..."queeniebunz" said "HE" not ME!! (witcha no READ/LISTENING/DON't NO WTF you talikn bout/buttin in,"being" WTF you like! as-s!!) ahhhh,... NYGGA!! One!!
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Name:
queeniebunz
Comment: >Mas - You may not think so but I like you! Your sense of humor is just as perverse as mine. I'd let yo azz drop too. LOLOLOL!!!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: LOL! laughing hard! @ Queenie. That was cute.
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: Now I KNOW ELIZABETH is in this sucka!!!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: addiferentpath... oh okay :-)
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Name:
queeniebunz
Comment: >Taurus - I don't understand what you're saying to Mas aside from the insults and even those were confusing. But anyway, I said "he" in reference to Willie Lynch because "he" was supposedly a real man who came to America to give slave owners a lesson in how to divide and control their slaves. As for the Stockholm Syndrome, it's a condition and not a person. Willie Lynch was allegedly a person. I'm finding difficulty with your comparison. And, regarding your comparison between Willie Lynch, supposedly a man, and Satan being real or not - well I'll let you talk to your spiritual leader about that one. That's a dissertation.
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Name:
HarrisThomas
Comment: the AA psychosis is damaged by the term "nygger" which conveys a sense of black grievance to AAs and even if used for affection [affection for understanding the magnitude of the AA struggle in America ], it's a fraud perpetrating as fact
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Name:
adifferentpath
Comment: wow.
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Name:
blackdragon
Comment: Taurusingr, the Willie Lynch letter is fake. Somebody somewhere made it up. Take a look at this: http://manuampim.com/lynch_hoax1.html.
Now, allow me to jump in and add my two cents. I don't care for "The View," because I don't watch that show and the women are crazy. However, I'm with Elisabeth Hasselbeck on this. The whole "we took the n-word back" logic is flawed. If you look at its etymology, it began among European languages. How can you take something back when you didn't create it in the first place? It's historically ignorant to think the n-word can be desensitized. But, I guess if a person is in an environment where the word is used ad nauseam, they would become desensitized to it, just like violence. Anyway, some blacks have used it during slavery and Jim Crow. Why? They used because whites called them that word. They were simply taught that by society, not because they wanted it to be positive. It's like a child who gets called stupid and worthless ad nauseam. It's highley likely the child will grow up thinking he or she is stupid and worthless. Same thing in the 1960s and 1970s. Also, the racial double standard is ridiculous. To say a certain group of people cannot say or do something because of their racial or ethnic background is racist and segregating. If the word is "positive," a black person should have no problem when a white friend of his or hers uses it in a "friendly manner." The fact that hell will be raised by blacks when whites use the n-word shows the history, the negativity, and the hatred will never go away. That's why it's called a slur. This racial double standard also does nothing for race relations in America. How can Americans of all racial and ethnic backgrounds move forward when some folks perpetuate this hypocrisy? And, some whites, especially white racists, will use it anyway, whether it's on an online message board or in a meeting. One more thing: why use it? I don't understand this need by anyone of any color to say it. It serves no purpose.
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Name:
adifferentpath
Comment: National Black Arts Festival going down in the A-Town. Check out their site for more info: nbaf.org
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Wooo let me go down and buy some over priced art from some struggling n*gga. I got my checkbook. I'm sure he won't have Telecheck there.
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Name:
adifferentpath
Comment: why is the art overpriced if you say a person is struggling? and you have to pay an admission fee this year before you even GET to the vendors....there ARE other events tho! Peace.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: I'm joking GEEZ do u actually think I going to fly from LA to "AtLANDLOCKta to buy some art? No.
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Name:
Reds
Comment: Spittinthetruth, you have to see where someone like Jesse is coming from. That word and its use was a part of his whole life. Back in those days, it was really intended as an empowerment device, in the face of extreme racism. It’s ingrained in his psychic. It may be asking too much to expect him to overcome it now. Did you notice how easy it was for him to use the word to another black person? That speaks volumes. BTW, that Charlie Sheen shyt was straight up racist. He was using it because his wife has a black for parent.
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: queeniebunz: Ahhhh,The "fact" the "you did" say it & NOT ME is what's important!..not WHY!! Second,..the comparison I'm making is that in both cases..the alleged "theory" & Stockholm...People are pitted AGAINST EACH OTHER! or something else, rather than holding the actual "guilty party" responsible! Now as for my insults to "dude"??? I can agree or DIS-agree with anyone without any insults!! but when "this "dude" steps in a A & B conversation, insulting ME, NOT reading WTF went down b4 he stepped his as-s in it, & ALWAYS seems to THINK he knows IT ALL!??? This mo fo ...got WTF he deserves!! And BTW...why don't you let HIM address the shyt rather than you coming to his "defense"! If he's "whatever" enough to get in it??, then he's whatever enough to ....deal with the mo fo consequences HE got HIMSELF in!!! Holla!!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Taurus who is this he ur referring to?
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Name:
1love
Comment: I dont use the word and I dont like hearing it. I guess hearing it coming from a white persons mouth probably stings a bit more than hearing it come from a black person, but it's still an ugly word. Some black people say that "we" took the word back and made it a term of endearment. I dont believe it was that calculating. Black people just started using it during slavery cause that was all we were called. White people called us that so we called ourselves that. It just never stopped. It's just not a positive word and since you dont know who you could be offending, I say it's better not to say it. Couldnt we just say "brotha" instead? It sounds so much nicer.
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Name:
1love
Comment: Has any woman hear been called that name by a man?? I met a man from the South and he called me that ( in a very sweet tone of voice too). I was shocked! Never been called that by a black man before. Never went out with him again.
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: Ok yall!!..the "origin" of Willie Lynch ISN'T the fukkin point Ok!! It's the actual ACTIONS OF WTF "Willie Lynch", beit truth,"legend" or fake!! that are the REAL issue!! I mean...yall sound like the mo fo's that said Dan Rather was lying about the shyt HE found out about Bush!! The document's paper it was printed on WASN'T the damn point! It was the info ON IT! Some of US act out EVERY DAMN THING on/in the Willie Lynch letter!! You'd think, since people "seem" to KNOW it's NOT real???, they WOULDN't commit WTF's in it!! Buuuuuut, I digress!! I mean, EVEN NOW!, we're here arguing against each other!, while the subject...Elizabeth's" & other White's inability to respect Us & NOT use the word !?? is seemingly....long forgotten!! Now I ask you...is that NOT ...." Willie Lynchism"!!???
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queeniebunz
Comment: >Taurus - we're going off on an irrelevant tangent here but I'll entertain you for a moment. First of all, I didn't pee in your cornflakes so you need to calm yourself. It's Friday. Relax. Secondly, the Stockholm Symdrome refers to a hostage who becomes attached to his/her captor. I'm not sure how that compares to the FICTITIOUS Willie Lynch speech that supposedly tells slave owners how to divide and control their slaves. If you're referring to the part of the FICTITIOUS letter that says to make slaves only trust the owners, then I can vaguely see your comparison. But, the difference between the doctrine in the letter and the syndrome are that one is accidental and the other is deliberate...Regarding Mas - I wasn't defending him. I'd trip him up and watch him fall and bump his head first thing if I ever met him. (LOL!) - see above posts. What I was saying was that your insult was so convoluted and badly written that I could barely tell that you were insulting him. If you're gonna call him a know-it-all mofo, then say it like I did 2 days ago. ;)
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Name:
queeniebunz
Comment: >Taurus - I said what I meant above. If you don't want a tangent about a letter made up by Black People 13 years ago then stop using it. Yeah, we get the whole "black people are our worst enemy" thing. We got that. I think most of us agree with that. Just leave ole Willie out of it, 'kay?
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: Mas90:...Dude...let ME apologize for MY words toward you!! Even if I have a strong feeling about what you say & how you say it??, I shouldn't "go there"! But just as long as YOU know...Even some "Black people", can't say some words towards each other either!!,Ahhhight!!?? Now, the "HE" I was referring to was the HE queeniebunz has already admitted saying, & I think "that" he was....Willie Lynch"!! Holla!!
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Name:
mandinka_99
Comment: blackdragon re: "racial double standard" and the word "nyg-gah". I remember in the 60's and 70's, the only time the word "nyg-gah" really had any negative effect on me was when YTs used it ... usually before, during or after they were doing something overtly oppressive. When other black folks used it it was in the context of someone's behavior or at worse their econiomic status. Thus the "bourgie" blacks every now and then would refer to the poorer blacks as "nyg-gahs". But even they knew that in the eyes of YT, they were just as big a "nyg-gah" as anyone else. To be a "nyg-gah" in the eyes of black folks was to be ignorant and without class, ambition eduation or refinement. Being a "nyg-gah" in that sense was something you wanted to get away from, surmount or overcome. Avoiding being perceived as a "nyg-gah" back then had more to do with improving your lot in life and had less to do with your skin color. As I've said before, nowadays being a "nyg-gah" involves celebrating the lowest elements of the black experience as the essence of what it is to be black. And that's what we need to get away from.
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adifferentpath
Comment: whoopi and lisbeth spar over the n-word to who DID pee in Taurus' cornflakes? ...does Taurus even eat cornflakes? LOL. Funny how the conversations go. No harm meant Taurus, I actually "see" -literally- where you, Mas in LA -thanks 4 that info and Queenie are coming from. Nevertheless, all the talking we do up in here, are we preaching to the choirs of folks who already overstand in some form or fashion what the convo is even about vs. reaching the folks -young and old- who we need to be talking with? this whole "choice" in the matter of even using the word or not is foreign to some folks, it's just how they talk and refer to one another...until presented with another option, that is.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Taurus... if you were talking about me, you've said Mas not know it all mofo. Ur acting like a true n*gger (stupid, word from the French). U need to calm down just because someone disagrees with you. Ur mad cause people disagree then you go back and say it doesn't matter. I don't think you understand what the word "theory" means. And yes I do think I know it all muthafvcker! If you don't like, go swing from a tree!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Ur apology is too late. Save your words for someone who cares!
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Name:
mandinka_99
Comment: Does anybody remember that scene in the Spike Lee movie "School Daze" where Larry (Lawrence) Fishbourne and the the other college students were beefing with Samuel L. Jackson and some ignorant-acting gheri-curled locals and Samuel Jackson's character said: "... y'all was born nyg-gahs ... y'all gon' stay nyg-gahs ... and y'all gon' die nyg-gahs ... just like us!!" To which Larry Fishbourne's character responded by gettin' right up in his face and said (slowly & deliberately): "... Y'ALL ... AIN'T ... NYG-GAHS!" Anybody remember that scene??
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Also then u had the nerve to say this over a disagreement "See....I KNEW this "think he know it all muthafukka was gonna put "HIS PANTIES" in this shyt!" N*igger I don't wear panties and you could pick me out of a line of gay guys. Ur punk azz didn't even have the balls to say my name. U just kept on referring to me in another term thats why I over looked it. I read it but wasn't sure. For you muthafvcker that have to refer to my sexual orientation to get a rise just shows how low you must go cause your brain can't think nothing else better.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: You know.... you can't come on this board and be diverse. Like for example I didn't even know there were other gays on here but they likely wouldn't say sh*t for the risk of being attacked.
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Name:
BigRuss
Comment: Debating the use of a word to me is not very productive. I look at the n-word like the gun debate. Stupid people will do stupid and dangerous things with harmful objects. A gun is not dangerous unless it is used in a dangerous manner. The word N@gger is the same way. Unfortunatly history is not on the side of any positive light for the word N@gger. However, the word alone is not dangerous unless used in that manner. removing the word is not the answer because that will not happen. The answer is to make people not so hateful to each other is the answer. Neither will happen so maybe time can be spent debating what can be affected.
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Name:
queeniebunz
Comment: Regarding Elizabeth and her points - I agree with her but have comments. First of all, I think she's right to teach her kids to never use the n-word. 1) because it's ignorant and 2) because if they say it to the wrong negro, they'll get they lil lily white azzed kicked. Aside from that, she presents the argument we always get when we defend the use of the word. It's a valid argument. If we don't want to hear the argument, stop using the freakin' word. Easy. Regarding her point about us all living in one world - she's right. We do live in one world. We do. BUT we have gotten so tired of trying to educate whites about who and what we are that we just don't try anymore. We have 2 faces. DuBois wrote about it in his book. We have the personality we exhibit amongst ourselves and the one we present to the mainstream. That is particularly true when we deal with whites in the community and work place. I know I don't try anymore to educate them because I believe they don't want to hear the truths (Jack Nicholson "you can't handle the truth!" comes to mind). They can't handle our past and how it has shaped our present because they will have to change to drastically to make amends and bridge the gap and make things right. White people are historically a ruthless, capitalistic, selfish, self-centered, me-phi-me race of people. They have worked their way around the planet destroying cultures and whole groups of people as well as the environment because of their lack of respect for anybody but themselves. For them to fully relate to any other race and fully understand any of us they would have to change too much upon accepting it and they will NEVER be willing to do that because it is too much of a sacrifice.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Mandinka... We all remember that scene but those people do exist. It means stupid not a color.
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: queeniebunz: You are NO physician!! I AM CALM! (why do people always say "that" about others, when "their as-es" were involed AS WELL!!???) but aaaaaanyway: Maaaaaybe you posted your last post b4 mine posted!?? So, I'll repeat:..IT AIN'T about "Willie" being a real PERSON or NOT! It's about US DOING everything in the Willie Lynch" letter!! Now!!, can all yall "progressive" as-es..."get"that!!???
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SOILL
Comment: ..and with that, queeniebunz, this discussion should be over. Amen
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Taurusingr
Comment: Mas90:...See!.."You can't even be "diverse" enough to be MATURE ENOUGH to except a damn apology! (after being a damn "cricket" & a female coming to you damn defense!!)Now, "one" might say...you're BEING WTF I said!" But "I" won't say "that"! BTW "your" response is "too damn late"!! Just do YOU dude!...I'm good!!
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adifferentpath
Comment: Thank you Queenie!
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Taurusingr
Comment: queeniebunz:...I will continue to use WTF phrases I want to on this site!! Just like YOU probably!! You ain't the damn police of this shyt either!! WTF makes you THINK you are!??
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queeniebunz
Comment: Taurusingr - I ain't neva said I was no physician! I don't even like physics! ;) But if you are so calm STOP CYBER-YELLING AT ME!!!! lol! In cyberspace, caps = yelling. You know that!
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: Mas90: It ain't NEVER been about dis-agreeing! And YO AS_S was the one interrupting the convo,all "fukked up" in the 1st place! I told you...I'm good yo, ahhhight!?!! Now will you please shut yo bytch as-s up!!
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: queeniebunz:..HEY! HEY! HEY!!! Don't be using no damn CAPS!!! LOL!!!
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: Name: Mas90 Comment: Why is that black men like imitate being a criminal? Refer to themselves as one? Rappers love doing this.
Rappers love to align themselves with the mafia and Scarface, who really don't give a rats azz about Black folk. Or at least that's what they used t do. And queeniebunz, I agree with you about most White people. Most of them seem to have the same mentality as Hillary Clinton did during the race, that sense of entitlement to everything. A lot of them allow their children to talk to them and other adults disrespectfully. It's pretty disgusting if you ask me.
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: In the words of Rodney King "Cant' We Just All Get Along?"
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: kwrob: Not with ole "Willie Lynch" in the room!! (Sorry queeniebunz!!) Not really!! LOL!!!
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Name:
javone77
Comment: Taurus: woo woo woo (stroking his back) lol
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: javone77:...I know huh!??? LOL!!
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Name:
javone77
Comment: Taurus: I need you to calm down :)
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: javone77:..Ain't no thang baby! I can handle it!! sml!!
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: javone77:....Buuuuuut, I'll STILL take that "rub"!! sml!!
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Name:
sweetpea
Comment: I have never like the N word and no one should use it.
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: DAYUM!! yall up in here turnin it out like a scene in a dramatized soap opera. and "THE EVIL ONE" ain't nowhere to be found.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Taurus... punk azz bytch I don't have accept your apology. You're the one who isn't mature because it started with you but ur too much a n*gger (stupid) to realize that. You're mad cause someone else disagree with what you stated. You can't handle it not me. No bytch u shut up! N*GGA!
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: Does anyone think this "bytch as-s" sounds like ELIZABETH!! Damn dude!! "It's OLD!!! K.I.M.!!! NYGGA!!!
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: Better yet!!..Ask one of YOUR FEMALE co-workers for one of..... "those thangs"!!!You are DEFINITELY on the____! Again..."let it go" .....BYTCH"!
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: I think somebody....pYssed in "THIS NYGGAS" coffee! Why HE doesn't like it, is beyond the sane!! I thought THAT was his flava!! Oh well!!
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: And b4 this bytch nygga comes back!!..."TENNIS" anyone!???
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Name:
RealGAPeach
Comment: WOWW!!! I missed the action today! Chassie , PLEASE break out the sip sip but don't let them sip- they need to guzzle!! LOL
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Name:
Zumbagirl
Comment: Mandinka: I'm old enough to have sat in a theater back in the day watching many of those old blaxploitation movies you speak of. So, I understand the sting of the The Word. And the fact that it is so glorified today in SOME CIRCLES does not make it any less turdish or right. The lingering stench of the word is best evidenced by the reaction its use by "others" still provokes in us. If The Word is so acceptable, we shouldn't care one hoot who uses it or when. And yet we do. Sadly, I accept the reality that many of us love the word and will never let it go but if we insist on putting it out there in the public domain (CDs, videos, movies, etc.), then we ought not get upset when the public uses it.
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: bigchassie:...EXACTLY!!!!
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: REALGAPEACH>You got that right sista! HERE YALL, drank this! it will untwist ya britches! *Hands both TAURUS AND MAS90 a large bottle of SWIG*
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: now come on yall...lets get together and sing!! *begins to sing an old John Lennon medley* "ALL WE ARE SAY-ING....IS GIVE PEACE A CHANCE!" COME ON YALL, SING WITH ME DAMMIT! FO I KICK YALL AZZES!! LOL!!!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Taurus... Why don't you ask one of your n*ggas? Don't you have bank you to go rob? Don't you have some weed you need to sell? I know your bytch azz sounds like n*gga! Silly punk.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Chassie... sorry chassie, I drink alcohol nor drink with n*ggas. You know how those loud mouth n*ggas get when their drunk. EVEN LOUDER! Taurus, doesn't your azz belong behind bars or something? Isn't there a warrent out for your arrest. You are n*gga you know!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: *I don't drink
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: bigchassie:..PLEEEEEEZE share WHATEVER yall WOMEN have to calm yall down/help yall get through!! (Moltrin,PAMPRIN! SOMETHING!!)Now, I must warn you!!...You'll be giving "IT" to a damn "FEMALE" & NOT a WOMAN!! But Mas90 needs.....SUMPTIN!!!! LOL!!
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: Taurus and Mas, why don't y'all just threaten to cut each others nutz off. It sure worked for Jesse. Look at all the trouble he caused. Now dudes are on an entertainment website going at each other like n!ggas, (something else Jesse sparked).
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Taurus> I'm placing my nuts on your face right now! bytch!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: kwrob... thx 4 a suggestion w/ nuts. I came up with my own idea. :-)
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: Mas90:..Ahhhight, last one!..FYI?? Just b/c someone ISN'T as "feminine" as YOU!?? Doesn't make them a damn criminal or ANYTHING ELSE yo bytch as-s comes up with!! Dude!,BYTCH! NYGGA!!!... "let it go!!!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Taurus you're not one who needs Motrin. Only you type in caps. bytch!
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: Okay, this is starting to sound like a bad prison movie. lol
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: MAS90>well shoot, pass me the bottle then. i kin hold mah liccker! lol! *takes swig from bottle* i tell yall, allayall ackin all crazyfied on hurre talkin bout nggas. yall jes stopit! stopit i say. yall dooin all dis here foolishness and "THE EVIL ONE" ain't even on hurre. she be right in the middle of this mess!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Yeah, take the obvious stereotype. Easy way out. You're a true bigot.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: [passing bottle back, nuts still sitting on Taurus face]
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: bigchassie,
Would you happen to be talking about Melodycool? If so, you own't find her on this subject. She only cracks on Obama.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: I think she is. Yeah they didn't mention Obama on this one.
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: Okay Mas, you got me a little weirded out. How long should a heterosexual guy have his nutz on another dude's face before people start questioning his manhood? I mean passing the bottle and all...that's a little too long brotha. lol
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: I KNEW YOU would correct MY spelling b4 ANY woman/female!!!! You DO take that shyt nygga!!! See, in your twisted as-s head??? being a STRAIGHT man must mean being a thug/criminal!! Just keep on PROVING how fukked up YO HEAD REALLY IS!!! You musta lost a damn boyfriend or some shyt & miss the contact!! For the LAST TIME CHICK!... "B.B.G".!!!!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: [moving] Oops, did I poke you in ur eye with one of my nuts. Sorry, I meant to do that. [adjusting]
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Name:
javone77
Comment: kwrob: ROFLMBAO Lawd....I have no idea what the hell wen ton in here but imma have to fall back in one of these here corners and sit it down lol
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: kwrob... Taurus likes nuts in his face.
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: Mas,
How can you possibly know that about that man? And anyway if he does, what is that saying about u that you have no problem keeping them there? Something you wanna tell us bruh? lol
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: MAS/KROB>oh yeah, that's right. *takes another swig*
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: bigchassie: Where you at wit dem pills!???? This "chick" is fantasizing & shyt! LOL!!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: kwrob... i'm not trying to say anything that I haven't already disclosed in the past. Taurus is a bigot and his only weapon is call me a female cause I am gay which had nothing to do with the fact that childish Taurus got mad cause I said I BELIEVE Willie Lynch was a theory and not a person. He got all twisited because I disagreed with him. He claims I interrupted the conversation. He's stupid! So it has lead into name calling back and forth and my nuts sitting on his face.
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: Ok I see. I didn't know that,(as I back out of the room). lol
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: TAURUS>what? you talkin about my Motrin? shoot! i ain't handin over my Motirin. i need that for my authur! ritus! lol!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: kwrob... now from what I've told you... am I in the wrong for stating my opinion about the subject of Willie Lynch? Honestly. Of course this has nothing to do with sexual orientation but Tauraus can't separate that cause he isn't intelligent and he thinks by calling me a female that some how I'll back down. This negro doesn't realize I've been through these situations before and he making more a fool of himself than I am.
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Name:
javone77
Comment: Lord have mercy.....
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: In my humble opinion Mas, I can't see where your sexual orientation has anything to do with your thinking about the Willie Lynch theory and whether he was a real person or not, unless people have also said Willie was gay as well as a racist.
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Name:
javone77
Comment: mas90: let me make sure I have this right. You feel Taurus is calling you a woman because you are gay?
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: To ALL reading this shyt!!..This mo fo said He wonders why other GAYS don't "come out on this site" & said it's probably due to them NOT wanting to deal with the "fallout"!?? Noooooo!! "THEY" know "their" sexual preference HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECTS ON THIS SITE!! The ONLY reason HIS as-s receives any shyt is b/c HE interjects HIS biz EVERY fukkin time he responds to something!! Nobody gives a fukk about who or WHAT you "DO"!,NYGGA!! Stop being a damn ELIZABETH! (I know "that's" hard for
"YOU"!! but TRY!!) & stop calling this everything else IT ISN'T! You are the "flaming one" who can't keep yo shyt in yo mouth!! Soooo, STOP fantasizing!, "Sit on THAT"! & go have a fukked up day!! One!!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Taurus... you keep showing your stupidity. There was an article on the gospel page about a black gay man suing a publisher on the Bible. So shut up!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Javone: Yes. of course. What else can he try to embarass me with. It doesn't work.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: kwrob... no, no one has said Willie was gay. We were referring to the psychological control affect Willie Lynch had on slaves back in the 1700's. This tired azz negro gets mad cause me, Queenie and others opposed that Willie Lynch was "real" person. Now who is really crying over spilled milk? Taurus azz is. He is a child.
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: Now Mas, Taurus does have a bit of a point. You did bring that up in here (I don't know how many other times you have, and it really makes no difference to me). Not that I'm trying to speak for anybody, but it sounds like Taurus just got fed up with you bringing it up one more time, which had nothing to do with the thread. Am I correct Mas? And Taurus, I believe Mas was just saying he felt like you were coming down too hard on him for disagreeing with your point, and y'all should just agree to disagree. Am I correct Mas? Okay, that will be 100 dollars. Pay the receptionist on your way out. Oh and remember your pressure points. Woo Sah, woo sah, woo sah (don't forget to rub your ears). lol
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Name:
javone77
Comment: mas90: wow. I didn't know you were gay! No wonder I liked you ;-)
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Name:
CaliRedbone
Comment: chass... U got some popcorn??
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: look yall, i'm out! ALLAYALL GO GET A DRANK OR SUMPTHIN! LOL! I must say, it's been real! lol! tootles!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: kwrob...Lastly Taurus gets even madder cause I didn't accept his apology for the name calling he started. He is a true punk! I don't have accept his apology.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: LOL @ javone. :-)
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Name:
bigchassie
Comment: CALIRED>Chile, here ya go! lol! and here is a daquri on the side too.
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: Mas, I wasn't talking about people in here possibly saying Willie was gay. I was referring to people talking about him throughout history.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: kwrob... taurus brought up that I'm gay not me. This is what he said way far back which I didn't even know he was referring to me cause he didn't even use my name.... "Name: Taurusingr Comment: See....I KNEW this "think he know it all muthafukka was gonna put "HIS PANTIES" in this shyt! The statement was..."is it real" or not! The question WASN'T..is it a theory or a PERSON!! Plus..."queeniebunz" said "HE" not ME!! (witcha no READ/LISTENING/DON't NO WTF you talikn bout/buttin in,"being" WTF you like! as-s!!) ahhhh,... NYGGA!! One!!"
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: kwrob... re: willie, no.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: This negro acts like no one can comment on his statements unless he gives the right away. Control freak!
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: Ok. Well Mas, you can get your 100 dollars back from the receptionist for my off the mark analysis. I guess I will have to go back to Benny Jackson's School of Psychology and get my own refund. I should have known when I saw his diploma hanging up and it was written in crayon and he spelled his own name wrong. lol
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Name:
CaliRedbone
Comment: javone77..way up^^^ top you mentioned getting your master's in business administration.. just wanted to say Congrats to ya!!!!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: LOL @ kwrob. I split the 100 with you so you don't feel your time been wasted. Chassie give him some popcorn and a diaquri, it's on me,
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: javone77: EACTLY!! EVERYTHING this nygga says is about his damn "lifstyle"!!?? GTF outta here!! And just like YT??? He's PURPOSELY NOT looking at what's right in front of them!! "DENIAL"! plain & simple! He's a damn "ELIZABETH"!! (from the person who brought you... "Sillary"!) looking at it like damn twisted/in DENIAL fool!! (& "twisted" doesn't ONLY mean "GAY"!!)ya damn IDIOT!
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: I know this is trivial, and has nothing to do with the subject at all. And if I offend you with this question, I apologize. But can gay men tell when someone is gay, particularly celebrities? We here all these rumors and specualtions about this actor and that actor, (namely Eddie, Johnny Gill, and NeYo), but since I'm hetero I can't tell for sure. I'm just curious.
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Name:
javone77
Comment: Thanks cali! I am already tired and the ceremony is 2 days away! loll Taurus: I didn't know he was gay until just now.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: [intercom system] Will the parent of Taurus A. %*$!(, PLEASE! come pick up yo' child? He's falling and his brain fell out! Repeat come get yo lil' nigglet!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Taurus A. n*gga
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Name:
CaliRedbone
Comment: CTHU@MAS'... LOL ...oh im sorry...
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: mas90: You IGNORANT as-s!! What you are is AN AS_S!!! Once again...YOU brought "YOUR SHYT" UP!! I mean ask yourself...Are you ONLY a GAY MAN!! StOOOOOOOpid as-s!! Damn!!!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: kwrob, to answer your qestion...yes. It's called gaydar. Mannerism, eye contact (longer than normal contact, time varies) just a feeling. All you mention I believe are gay. They can't come out cause the will lose consumer buyers and have to deal with azzhole like Taurus. Sad cause gays contribute alot to the entertainment field for ALL to enjoy.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: See... isn't this child lovely. He wouldn't do this in person. I can honestly vouch for that.
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Name:
CaliRedbone
Comment: Mas' can I ask a question? (totally off subject)I dunno if you're familiar with this, but hey here's my chance... There's this movie out called "cover" on the DL' lifestyle and they use this phrase 'dust in your eye' when the DL' men meet... is that real, or just part of the movie? **patiently waiting like a little kid** Thanks!!
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: Other intercom!!....Mas90: Your order for fresh "DOOKIE BARS"! has just arrived! Please come pick this shyt up!!! NYGGA! (I mean, since you ONLY identify with being GAY!!) NYGGA!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Cali... never heard "Cover" or the phrase so it could be purposely script written.
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: Nygga are you SERIOUS??? I would beat yo as-s like YOU EAT AS_S!!! NYGGA!!!
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Name:
Jaye
Comment: Amen...Mandinka_99! I could have never expressed it any better!!!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Taurus... it doesn't work when u do it. You need to come up with your own concepts instead of stealing (like a n*gga) someone's own.
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Name:
CaliRedbone
Comment: okay, well thanks anyway Mas... pretty cool little movie tho' Cover, you should check it out.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: I will have to check it out. When was it released? Was this during the gay film festival?
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: I meant the gay film festival in LA.
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: I get your point. Rock Hudson didn't come out until he was dying of AIDS back in the "Dynasty" days. And Tab Hunter didn't come out until his career was over. Lance B%*$ didn't come out until after NSYNC broke up. Ruper Everett's career is in the craper now since he came out. The dude on Grey's Anatomy was forced to come out because of Issac Washington's comments. However, Neil Patrick Harris came out last year, and personally I would have never known cuz he plays the hell out of his character on "How I Met Your Mother". I do wonder how the ratings for HIMYM and Grey's are now since they came out though. Now with Eddie, I did start to wonder about him after the rumors started. he was always quick to go into gay flaming character on talk shows, and we know Eddie is not that great of an actor to pull that off every time. But you can't just blame that on the homophobia of men in general. I'm sure most women don't want their matinee idols to be gay in real life. Think how quickly women would turn on Denzel if everybody found out he was a closet homosexual.
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Name:
CaliRedbone
Comment: Mas' not sure about during the film festival... it came out earlier this year one of those straight to DVD. here's a link ...
http://www.filmjabber.com/movie/preview/3047/
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: kwrob... very true! I agree withe verything you said. Women have a fantasy with actors. What kills me is it that with men... it's okay for two women to be lesbians and locking lips but two men then it becomes disgusting and threatening to their manhood.
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: It's the movie Vivica Fox is in, and I think it was directed by Bill Duke. He was on Tom Joyner talking about it two or three months ago.
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Name:
CaliRedbone
Comment: oh my my badd' Mas' it was in the theatres.
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Name:
CaliRedbone
Comment: yep kwrob, thats the one!
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Name:
CaliRedbone
Comment: doogie howser is gay?
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: Have to agree somewhat Mas. I think for me it is a bit disgusting I admit, but I'm not threatened by it. But I don't think most men or women like to see, although I can't speak for women. Any woman on here care to interject?
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: Yes Cali. He came out in a magazine article I believe.
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: Yeah bytch!! But "BEATING THAT AS_S" WORKS ALL DAMN DAY!!! One!!! ( punk/bytch as-s.... NYGGA!!)
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: yes doogie is gay. Someone outed him. It real sad cause why does his sexually have to be asked or discussed publicly. The even worse thing is that once you do that all media, interwiers, newspapers, etc. attach gay in front of actor... example... "Gay comedian Rosie O'Donnel or recent come out of the closet actor Neil Patrick..... You don't hear str8 being placed before hetero actors. Real sad. Not fair.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Cali... I will have to go to blockbuster to catch it.
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Name:
CaliRedbone
Comment: Mas' yes, do that, I'd be interested to 'hear' your take on it.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Kwrob... i like your honesty. But females get fvck in the azz by men so isn't that disgusting too for those who don't like that. It's in porn heavily. We got shack talking about how does my %*$ taste. Tossing salad has gone mainstream. I think America is one of the most hyprocritcal nation when it comes to sex.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: shack = Shaq
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: That's the way of the world Mas. Hetero is considered normal, for lack of a better word, in society. It's kind of like how this debate started, the use of the word n!gga. Plus you know the media likes to sensationalize their stories all the time. Why do you think these entertainment shows and websites like "Extra" and "Access Hollywood" or Mediatakeout and TMZ are wildly popular? Because people like to see scandal, and the producers/creators know this. So they use any outlandish statements they can to play up the story.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: kwrob... yes that is the way of the world. I do not like Extra, etc. cause they talk about nothing on purpose. I do watch TMZ, go to mediatakeout though their quite negative and have no respect for privacy. And the paparazzi wonder why they get yelled at or fights with celebrities.
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: Mas, now we are witnessing this society coming closer and closer to Babylon, and some would argue the acceptance of homosexuality as well as different types of sex other than procreation is causing us to fast approach Baylon. But that's a whole other discussion in itself.
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Name:
kwrob
Comment: Well. gotta go. It sure has been interesting conversation.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Same here. It's been fun. Later!
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Name:
spittinthetruth
Comment: Reds,
This is the first I've ever heard that Charlie's ex has a black parent. Seeing as she was the one who leaked the taped conversation, to further inflame the situation she would have made it clear that that was an affront to her parental heritage to make him look even worse. She never did that so it remains to be confirmed that what you say is true. As far as Jesse, all the slack you were trying to cut him yesterday was for naught, if today you come back with it's a part of his everyday veracular. Upon what do you base that? Are you a good friend in constant communication with him? All the more reason for him to not have participated in that farce of a burial.
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Name:
showandprove
Comment: Hey all, I'm new here but feel like fam already from reading all the posts. Looking forward to jumping right in so here we go - Mas90 and Taurus...ok wow, thanks for the convo, it's why I joined, queenie and kwrob..love your comments, tman..you on point, say it! mandinka and adifferentpath...talk about show and prove, heyyy now!! (lol) Concerning the topic, I personally don't use the word but have no problem with bruthas and sistas who do. And yes, I agree, YT can't use that word without expecting serious bodily harm to follow soon after.
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Name:
bnww
Comment: Whoopi and Sheri looked like idiots trying to support the use of the N-word. Elisabeth in all her usual airheadness had it correct this time. It's ridiculous for us to use the word. PERIOD! Way up in the comments, "Reds" wrote that Blacks sit behind a keyboard and are "too scared to admit their use of the word." To you, "Reds," I DO NOT USE THAT WORD -- NEVER. I don't think of you or any other Black person with the mindset of that word. NEVER. So, that's right, there are many Black who do not use and do not think in terms of that word. You need to get beyond using it and thinking it yourself. WWW.EDUCATE-EMPOWER.COM
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Name:
realuvbaby
Comment: I personally have no problem with the word because it is a part of the black experience and I cannot deny any part of that. I choose not to be a victim of my past, therefore I see this word in it's context. I believe it's not what you do that counts, but only the spirit in which you do it. Some folk use it and use it to evoke hate and fear; some folk use it as a term of endearment. The word is what it is, and there is absolutely no way this word is going to drop out of our culture. Generally, one should just stay clear of things that hurt you, because you will never be able to cease those things from being in existence. Just let the user beware, that's all.
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Name:
realuvbaby
Comment: Sometimes I'm right and I can be wrong
My own beliefs are in my song The butcher, the banker, the drummer and then Makes no difference what group I'm in I am everyday people, yeah yeah There is a blue one who can't accept the green one For living with a fat one trying to be a skinny one
And different strokes for different folks And so on and so on and scooby dooby doo-bee Oh sha sha - we got to live together I am no better and neither are you We are the same whatever we do You love me you hate me you know me and then You can't figure out the bag l'm in I am everyday people, yeah yeah There is a long hair that doesn't like the short hair For bein' such a rich one that will not help the poor one And different strokes for different folks
And so on and so on and scooby dooby doo-bee Oh sha sha-we got to live together There is a yellow one that won't accept the black one That won't accept the red one that won't accept the white one And different strokes for different folks
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Name:
realuvbaby
Comment: Many people. Many truths. Much joy. Much sorrow. Many facts. Many cultures. Many places to come from, things to feel. Many points of view. One Love. One God who made us different on purpose.
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Name:
umph_umph_umph
Comment: Whoopi is good and a great sparring partner to Elisabeth! Glad to have Whoopi on the show! Elisabeth is totally blind if she thinks that we don't live in different worlds. Not all are from the lily W T world... notice that when she can't make a valid point she sheds tears.... WTF and of course Babs is the mediator. Sherri? I know what she was saying but I really get tired of hearing that word in any shape size or form... lol
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Name:
TRTR
Comment: The word is not and does not work for us. Give it up and keep it in its historical context and let YT have it folks. We need to let it go. Sherri is WRONG. Whoopi is WRONG. And old Jesse is all WRONG.
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Name:
ladybyrd
Comment: This WORD is not just a word it had ACTIONS to go along with it. And most if not all the time it was coupled with beatings, lynchings, rapes, people burned alive, dragged from their homes, being spat at, hosed with water etc. YOU are an IDIOT if you think otherwise. It's this reason alone that other nationalities feel as if WE don't have one brain between us. STOP being damn fools. We earned the right to be AMERICANS. There's no need to add African or black in front of it, because WE earned the right. So let's all take our places in society. Leave the n-word where our ancestors would like us to leave it...dead. Elizabeth is correct.
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