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Taurusingr
Comment: Ok!..I can kinda see this!, except for one thing...R ruh wrote & then GAVE Joe the tune..."More & More"! So, if he were hatin...why would he give dude a HIT tune!?? Kelly doesn't HAVE to write for ANYONE but... Kelly! But I do remember Kelly saying dude was trying to ..."steal his style" & shyt, a few years ago! So...I don't know bout this one hurr! I do know that Joe is one hella UNDER appreciated artist! I often wondered why dude didn't blow up "larger" than he did back in the day! He was getting some shine!, but it was "medium" compared to what it COULD'VE been! Maybe R ruh was the "shadow" standing on the way! One!
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chelle73
Comment: WHY DO OTHER ARTIST TRY TO BLAME THEIR LACK OF A CAREER ON EVERYBODY ELSE BUT THEMSELF?
If joe thinks he was being sabotaged prove it by actually selling some records.
Joe knows that right now blaming things on R Kelly is the thing to do now.
So hes taking advantage of it to get some pity thrown his way.
BTW wheres Joe's proof that he was being sabatoged?
Audio, video, etc....
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TGen
Comment: Taurusingr: "Joe is one hella UNDER appreciated artist!" SO true. I will say though that after "All that I am" his music wasn't as good (although I didn't hear all the albums), but for sure, he is a very talented guy and that album is a classic. Chelle73: You're right. This article is lacking. It would have helped to share what made Joe think RKelly was sabotoging, ie did someone tell him? did he find some docs? what? All it says is "I found out," but the HOW is the crucial missing element. I'm trying to figure out how the person who wrote this article could read it back to themselves and not realize that that was missing. *Sigh* Oh well, I wish Joe success, if he can get back to that classic R&B, he deserves it...
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huey
Comment: TGen---i agree, joe has a he11 of alot more credibility (and he has a great voice, similar to r kelly in fact, and they resemble one another so i can see this happening)than kelly as far as im concerned. im going with joe by default....kelly is a slug..screw him...
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FiveMore
Comment: I can't stand RKelly the "hatin azz woman" because everytime you turn around that baby is crying about some other male artist.Joe has a beautiful voice and I can see why "the perverted piper" was envious of him.Go on do your thing and never look back!How can your own label promote the idiocy of RKElly's demented, confused and sick behind without feeling guilty and sabotage another artist's career? That screwball is going to get it in the end, though.
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mandinka_99
Comment: If R-uh hadn't hated on Ne-Yo last year during that tour they were supposed to be doing together, I could dismiss this as just circumstantial evidence. However, R-uh has hated on Jay-Z, Ne-Yo and now it seems he was hatin' on Joe undercover. As for why would R-uh "write" a hit ("More & More") if he was hatin' on Joe ... well ... IMO that particular single was one of Joe's weaker ones, lyrically. That song rode solely on Joe's voice and style and compared to the stuff he's done before and since Joe has done better.
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305FLgirl
Comment: I'm going to say Joe is telling the truth. R. Kelly does seem like a hater! Also as far as the song "More & More" yeah R. Kelly wrote it and gave it to Joe but right around the time Joe's version was out I heard a version with R. Kelly. So I don't think what Joe is saying is too far fetched.
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g888
Comment: To begin with R gave Joe "More and More" after it had been leaked,Joe made some nice music back in 2000 but he just hasn't lately,"If I was your Man"was nice but like so many r&b artists these days he went somewhat for the hip-hop crowd when most people would argue that smooth r&b was his staple.If your music is strong it will succeed,I saw Berry Gordy once talk about how he and others at Motown didn't get behind Marvin Gaye's "what's going on" album initially and if you know music at all you know it's legendary.
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dakoolestkat
Comment: Dang Joe who p.i.s.s.e.d in your cornflakes this morning? Was prolly R Kelly...u know he's been known to do those golden shower shenanigans before lol! But seriously R. Kelly does seem to hate on R&B bruthas that have his similar "look and swagger." I vividly remember some tension he had with Aaron Hall back in the day for the same thing...anyone else remember that?
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bigchassie
Comment: G88>now that is so true. and you see how Marvin's "What's Goin On" became megahit.
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bigchassie
Comment: let me ask yall. do yall think we seen the last of R Kelly? if he put out a new CD, will it go down the tubes? does he still have a strong fanbase?
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Muzak
Comment: Joe first of all "Jive" records. Is no place for a R&B talent like yourself. You should have left them a long time ago. Now the Brother you're now signed with "Kedar Massenburg". This brother knows how to promote NEO-SOUL artist. Matter of fact this is the brother who coined the phrase "NEO-SOUL". This is the same brother that discovered and signed "Erykah Badu," D'Angelo; And now he has "Algebra" under his wing. So my brother I'm expecting greater things from you. "Motown" is most definately where you belong. Perhaps you and "Algebra" could do a duet together?
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McNasty
Comment: Taursingr it's called smoke and mirrors! Ruh was a sneaky mofo and obviously a coward. I don't take anything away from the fact that he's talented but grown as.s man has been hiding behind sunglasses forever and when he takes them off my skin crawls. I believe he did what Joe is accusing him of and hid behind lyrics to a great song. I don't know what more needs to be said - I guess I'm just not necessarily into name dropping or calling folk out unnecessarily - he found out period. The fact that this story is in print AND on the internet, if it's not true, Joe could be sued. Common sense people.
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OSUN
Comment: Taurusingr R-uh is not only a child molester but I believe he suffers from some sort of chemical balanced which was evidenced by his behavior on the Best of Both Worlds Tour. His little boy angelic side probably gave him the tunes, then his more dominant evil side would try to sabotage. He also probably did it that way so that Jo wouldn't think R Kelley was shady. Why would he sabotage me if he is giving me songs? I wish R would go away.
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McNasty
Comment: Bigchassie because of pis.sin' kelly's massive appeal amongst the mindles.s dipset - he's gonna be around and relevant in their lives forever, amen!
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OSUN
Comment: That should be chemical inbalance. Whoever said that Joe and RKelly have similar voices is crazy. Joe has a phenomenal voice. R Kelly can carry a tune to his catchy beats.
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TGen
Comment: McNasty: "I guess I'm just not necessarily into name dropping or calling folk out unnecessarily" True "name-droppin" would be tacky and immature. But from a journalistic standpoint, SOMETHING in the way of "how" is a crucial part of this story. If you accuse someone of something like sabotaging your career, some kind of hint of evidence is paramount to your credibility. Like you, I agree RKelly is probably guilty (character is clearly not his strong suit, lol), but as a journalist, whoever wrote the article should not have left that part out. Heck a simple, "inside sources informed him" or something would have sufficed for me. But as it stands, it's just unfounded hearsay and that's irresponsible. To keep it real, why would Joe even go there anyway, why drudge up ish that you've moved on from? But if you just have to go there, at least come with some meat, not just dry bones, lol. But I digress. Your point is well-taken.
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TGen
Comment: Muzak, I didn't know that's the Neo-Soul guy! Cool beans. Now I'm excited about seeing what Joe will be coming with. *Clapping hands* lol
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McNasty
Comment: TGen someone from Jive had to tell him - that's just a given and when someone who didn't have to does that kind of favor they know you're gonna tell but it does a disservice to them - who are prolly still employed at Jive to drop their name - now that's irresponsible!
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Vanity
Comment: I love Joe! His 'All the things your man won't do' stayed in rotation for a lonnnng time at my house, car and job...a sistah was going thru sumthings;-). I hope he comes back stronger than ever.
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huey
Comment: OSUN ---from a music delivery stand point they are both tenors, and both have a similar naunce to note delivery and vibrato....very distinguisable. even though u can tell them apart on record, if u listen to one and then the other, u can hear the same suttlties in the way that they carry their notes...not a bad thing...just a thing..
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musbdherbs
Comment: Joe, so R-Kelly is responsible for your lackluster career? He personally called radio stations (who make their money off of hits) and told them not to play your records or else. The stations (all across the country)obliged Kelly and your career was thus jeopardized. Yep, sounds believable to me. "This is R-kelly and I approved this message."
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OSUN
Comment: Huey, I guess I will defer this point to you b/c I dont listen to music that way. I dont break it down to the subtleties. So maybe they are both tenors but the strength and range of their voices have no comparison. That is like comparing Gladys Knight and Tboz.
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TGen
Comment: Musbdherbs, you laugh, but maybe you don't know how much politics go into the radio industry. Polictics are ALL OVER the industry. There are paybacks and 'hush-hush" favors all around. Best believe there is a reason some artists (many less talented) get more play than others. Knowing the right folks means everything.
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javone77
Comment: TGen you are speaking the truth. Everybody knows that who you know is more important than the amoung of talent you have, It has been that way for years! LOok at that situation with milli vanilli and with C and C music factory. They had people singing for them. The people out front had the look but no talent but that did not stop the music industry from putting them out there. There is no reason that ashanti should still be putting out albums. MESSAGE! LOL
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javone77
Comment: Pay attention to dreamgirls. there was more to the movie than beyonce being in a cute dress. The scandal was called payola. Most of us know what that is.
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sweetpea
Comment: I'm not suprised. Joe is a talented singer. He has been in the game a long time and I always enjoyed his music. I wish him the best.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Kelly is more Aaron Hall than Joe.
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javone77
Comment: I think I agree mus. R. has a much more nasal sound than Joe does.
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musbdherbs
Comment: LOL@OSUN...even I wouldn't make the Gladys/Boz analogy. Kelly ain't that bad. Maybe John P Kee vs. Smokie Norful(sp)
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musbdherbs
Comment: TGEN...I laugh because it means that R Kelly had to personally call at least 1/3 of all radio stations around the country that would play joe's music and force them to stop.
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Bad_Kitty
Comment: Wow! The is F'ed up!!! But... not surprising. Best wishes Joe!
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TGen
Comment: Musbdherbs, NO it doesn't mean that. It means that if he knew the right people (or even 1 person) with enough pull (read: cheddar), he could effectively play a role in someone's career being stalled. Not saying he's guilty, but I'm also not dismissing it because I believe it's entirely possible, even probable. No offense, but you are being naive.
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javone77
Comment: Mus: most "stars" don't do their own dirty work. I am sure he had someone working for him to do it. Payola is when stars pay off djs in certain markets to downplay their music. So it is possible for radio stations to make MORE money by not playing the hit record of one artist and replacing it with an r.kelly tune be cause not only are they getting paid to play R.'s song, R is paying him to NOT play Joe's.It's a lucrative business...but also comes with a jail sentence. We had a station manager here in dallas get fired a few years back because of this very thing.
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javone77
Comment: at least that was the rumor. but Payola also comes with a jail sentence so maybe it was something else in his case.
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huey
Comment: OSUN --i wouldnt make that gladys to tboz comparison...thats like comparing a singer to a known singer...i will admit, hatedly so, kelly can actually sing, not the best singer but he can sing...joe on the other hand is a he11 of a lot better...
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OSUN
Comment: Huey that was my whole point, "not the best singer but he can sing...joe on the other hand is a he11 of a lot better..." I admit that R can sing(carry a tune), but I dont think that there is a comparison to Joe. That was the point I was trying to make with my absurd comparison.
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musbdherbs
Comment: TGEN...the article quotes Joe as saying that Kelly personally called radio stations and pressured them not to play his music. Could it have happened? Sure it could. Would that realistically be the reason for Joe's success..or lack thereof? Doubt it very seriously. So I laughed. You can calling it naive. I'll label it ROTFLMMFAO. Javone..I'm aware of how payola works. Joe has thrown around a very hefty charge. That Clive and the rest of them...along w/radio stations...at the request of Kelly, actively engaged is attempting to sabotage his career. Instead of taking it to someone up top..he talks "exclusively" to Lee Bailey..of all people.
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huey
Comment: OSUN --i understand, i overstand...from purely a music enthusiest standpoint...(im more jazz, than neo but i digress)i have several of joe's cd's...i tried to follow him, but he kept loosing me with all of the collabo's he started to do, hence watering down his voice. then he began to over produce his sound thus causing his great voice to become diluted in the electronics of his music. i always felt he should let his voice carry the music and not try to let the music carry his voice....very janet jacksonish...he didnt need that...get back to singing.....alone...
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6footah
Comment: Not a very wise thing to do at all. Joe, keep your mouth shut, and let your music speak for itself. I sense an inflated ego. Where is my hat pin?
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Mas90
Comment: Taurus... if you're trying to kill someone career you don't tell them hey I out to kill yo career. Plus, the re: song "More & More", labelmates usually give songs to other artist (DUH!) easy simple transaction... R Kelly amde money by giving him the song... why not make get upfront money from someone you trying to keep down, usually labelmates do duet (Usher & Alicia) DUH! It all the part of being with the same label. Plus, R Kelly at the time would have like 14 songs he wrote on the damn at the same time so he isn't worried that he will kill one song. CHELLE73: Freddie Jackson was held back by Luther... 2 negroes who were fighting for spotlight. PEOPLE... the things that happen in high school don't stop... welcome to the real world!!!!
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SUGA32
Comment: What was the point of Joe saying these things? Oh, yeah, he has an album due out! Give me a break! He would have stood a better shot at reviving his lackluster career by actually performing and promoting his %*$! like he used instead of bytching right now. If it happened, it's water under the bridge and that also means he wasn't as hot as he thought he would be. Now, I was a fan of Joe prior to this crap and the "More & More". He didn't even give Kelly credit for that when he was interviewed. In the middle of the night, I awoke from my sleep to the music of "More & More" but that wasn't Kellz and I was like WTF. Joe didn't even perform that as well as Kellz did! Now, Joe, just do you and hopefully you'll what you are due. However, you need to let this shyt go. if it was over a year ago! Kellz don't need you, bruh. You're a smooth brother and it's up to you to make it happen! Stop hatin'
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SUGA32
Comment: Tarus, Chelle & Musbdherbs, you guys really nailed it. 6footah, here's a pin because Joe needs to come back down to earth!
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Name:
Quanli
Comment: Everyone is just out to get Kelly right? LOL. If he looked like Michael right now nobody would be defending this prick. I believe Joe is telling the truth.
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PTown
Comment: Joe been in the game for eleven years? :p
R-uh is a hater and a nasty bas****. However, R-Rah has been given enough rope where he will either swing to the next branch, or hang himself. And just let that be the story.
Keeping your integrity (and I'm speaking of Joe this time) and, as my fellow 6 footah sister says, let your music speak for itself. It always has.
PS: Chico Debarge is a full partner in this new venture?? His first album was BOMB.
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Mas90
Comment: Correction: Plus, R Kelly at the time would have like 14 songs he wrote on the damn CHARTS at the same time so he isn't worried that he will kill one song.
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dcdouglass01
Comment: Joe has a pretty significant presence on my iPod (moreso than R. Kelly). This story about R. Kelly trying to sabotage his career sounds a little suspect, but with a new release coming out, any publicity is good publicity I guess.
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Exmun
Comment: I agree with TGen. Payola is very real and accounts for a lot of the trash that is passed off to us as "hits" when in fact it's really the major labels paying for play at the radio stations. Correction to all, however, "payola" is illegal. "Pay for play" is very very legal as long as the radio stations disclose that the song is being sponsored. So pay for play is happening all around and accounts for a lot of so-called hits.
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Exmun
Comment: Also I agree with TGen that the story from a journalistic standpoint is/was lacking... no facts no mention of sources (or Joe's sources). To be frank, the first thing I thought about after reading the story was... I wonder if this will result in a defamation lawsuit. The burden is on the personal making the alleged defamatory statement to prove the truth of the statement. Joe might have wanted this interview back. A better statement might have been "I have been told by XYZ sources from the label and several radio stations that R-uh did XYZ." Or kept his mouth shut, because (I'm wondering to myself) IF R-uh had so much power in the past to put the ice on Joe's career, what makes Joe think that he can't pick up the phone today and call radio stations to cool off Joe's songs. Frankly, I'm underwhelmed by Joe's charge, 'cause I don't like complaining Cathys. Joe is not a victim here. He had some GREAT songs in the past. The "All that I Am" album was a grrreat record. I love Joe's voice. And after seeing him perform live he also "really" has the goods... a true performer and musician. Let's be real. Joe's lack of success (in the relative sense) is far more due to the fact that his earlier music and what he's best at caters to a mature audience. Not saying "old" just grown folks who ain't trying to do the teenybopper crowd. And that brand of songsmanship has forever not enjoyed as much success as the cater-to-teenager-feelin-on-your-booty-you-remind-me-o f-a-jeep crowd. My suggestions to Joe, keep your budget under control and enjoy a long career as a true R&B/soul crooner who ain't tryin' to be nobody else but "you."
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ChiDiva9
Comment: I don't doubt that Ruh did this at all. I have always wondered if he killed Avants Career b/c he looked like him and everything except the little girl molesting part. Again let us not forget that Kels is a writer, producer and artist. That gives him more juice with the "right" people than someone who is just a straight perfomer. I can't stand Kels. One day he will fall off into his cesspool.
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Southernbelle
Comment: I wish someone sabotage Kelly's career. I've had enough of the Pied Pervert. I don't know about this Joe. Music exces are only dedicated to money. If your music was hot enough they'd tell Kell's to go pizz off somewhere if he tried to stop your flow. As much as I don't like Kelly, I can't believe he has that kind of power. It ain't like he's raking in money like MJ (in his hey day). It'll take both of ya'll and ya mommas to bring in that kind of dough LOL.
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Mas90
Comment: Exum... Please! Why would Pee On Me call a radio station now to act all peed off cause Joe releasing material on a "independent" record label. Kedar doesn't have $$ backing of Jive which is under the Sony BMG umbrella. Joe's last few singles mostly charted on Adult Contemporary R&B radio chart which has less radio stations available than the R&B/HipHop radio chart. R Kelly succeed in putting Joe lower on the pole. Independent may mean more money to Joe but it's likely less exposure on a grand scale. R Kelly fvck up his own repuation just because he peed on someone and it wasn't Joe in the film.
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Mas90
Comment: Southern... Kelly not raking in money more than MJ heyday??? Are you kidding me? I checked the R&B Charts one week a few years back and this negro had 16 songs he wrote for himself and other artist on the charts at one time. Understand we are talking about 1 WEEK! So if each song lasted 10 weeks on the charts... 10 X 16 = $$$$$ Huge royalties!!!! R Kelly is fat rich at that time. I would think he has lost some change from the trial and lawyers. Micheal didn't write all his songs. Sh*t! R Kelly was asked by Michael to give him some songs (Ur Not Alone and another song I can't remember). If Michael has such moola then this negro would be asking for bail outs from financial corp to pay his rent at NeverNeverland.
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MsFresno
Comment: I love Joe and his music but please go sat down somewhere and stfu.
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Name:
Exmun
Comment: Mas, I frankly don't believe that the pervert piper could have so much time on his hands to call enough radio stations in the nation to account for Joe's career not being as successful as his. Need a new excuse from Joe... and this is from someone who LIKES Joe's music, especially the earlier stuff. Just don't make sense. And add to this that there isn't any evidence or sources in the article... smells like a publicity stunt to me. What I COULD believe is that R-uh might have demanded more attention from the LABEL given his numbers in comparison to Joe at the time. But to suggest that R-uh called radio stations... smells like a pity party to me. Joe's music stands on it's own. He is a classic if he keeps doing his brand of R&B/Soul. But complaining about the Pervert from Chitown ain't cutting it for me.
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RSmi
Comment: I just saw Joe last friday in Detroit. He was great as always and the women love him. I can believe this about R Kelly we all know he's had problems with other performers i.e. Jay-Z, Ne-Yo (this young brotha is in a whole different generation..why is R. Kelly raining on his parade???) I think R Kelly is a super-hater and I'm not surprised by any of these allegations. The record industry is sooooooooo shady. We all know the cream doesn't always rise to the top. Talent is not always imperative as we can see with some of the performers who are so called HOT!! these days. Everyone knows other factors play a role in a performer selling records. Payola is live and well, labels don't promote their artists (how many times have we heard performers say this) and now we know other artists on the label can play a (negative)factor. I believe everything Joe says. R Kelly gets no love from me...He's a top-notch hater. Don't want nobody else to get no love..ol' Hater. Looking forward to the new CD Joe.
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Name:
yasmine1
Comment: there are a lot of crazy things that goes on in the music biz...like a record exec hired someone to take out Q-tip (Tribe Called Quest) over something stupid...when money is involved crazy things go down...like how Tommy Mottola used his gangsta ways to kill alot of artist that were originally on Sony like Alicia Keys, 50 cent, George Michaels, etc... I think there is some truth to what Joe is saying....
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Name:
Gurlfrand
Comment: R Kelly can write great songs and produce very well, but, he does not have a beautiful singing voice like Joe - that was the problem, and R knew it, which is why he did his undercover, downlow stuff to stall Joe's career on the radio...............
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Mas90
Comment: Exum... if Joe's music can stand on it's own did you buy his albums: 2001 Better Days, 2003 And Then and 2007 Ain't Nothin Like Me??? Those last 3 were albums that did not fair as well as his biggest album which was My Name Is Joe, which had his biggest hit "I Wanna Know" & "Stutter". Every single after this album never reached higher than 48 on the R&B charts except for "Where You At" which stopped at 29. I noticed this myself cause the singles were doing better than what I felt the music he was giving. R Kelly may have called himself or had someone do it for him at Jive. Remeber, this business is about competition... you don't think Janet and Michael didn't have some battle for the best and they were related. R Kelly ruled the damn end of the year charts on Billboard. I was %*$!ed cause he constantly was at top. This is business not a board game.
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Mas90
Comment: Exum... yes it is partially publicity cause his new single ER is out but why not release this at this time. I believe this story 100%. It's the biz.... Stephanie Mills got blacklisted, Freddie J vs. Luther V.... after Luther died Freddie started to get airplay again on COntemporary R&B radio... Kelly and Ne-Yo... this sh*t goes on all the time. It's high school all over again.
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Stephanie
Comment: Joe's first CD was EXCELLENT and he's made a few other nice tunes afterwards. I would definitely prefer Joe over RKelly and not because of him being a child molester but RKelly's song's don't really make sense. Bump and Grind, You Remind Me of My Jeep! Stupid...I still listen to Joe's CD and the duet he did with Case was classic.
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RSmi
Comment: @Mas90
Curious??? What happened to Stephanie Mills career??? I haven't heard the story.
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Name:
adifferentpath
Comment: I believe R did this or had this type of thing done.
He may hear of this and still try and sue Joe.
R. Kelly is a punk. His attitude is like a little girls- the very people he preys on.
Sucka.
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Exmun
Comment: Mas I bought two of Joe's albums. I don't get your point. Joe is blaming the (relative lack of) success OF HIS CAREER on another man, R Smelly. Are you kidding me? Joe's music didn't success as well as Kelly's due probably to the same reason why someone like Carl Thomas or Musiq or India Arie or XYZ didn't succeed compared to the peed piper. Less people bought those records. To suggest that R-uh is responsible for this is crazy talk. Smooth, mature R&B artists have always historically sold less records that pop or hip hop oriented artists. Smelly is not as "pure" R&B/Soul as Joe... one might argue Kelly ain't R&B/Soul. So why are you trying to justify crazy talk from Joe (someone I actually like) when you yourself said that Adult contemporary (especially Black adult contemporary) stations are less in number than typical urban/hip hoppy stations? Dude, Joe's career trajectory isn't all that unique. A lot of artists fall into his plight.
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TGen
Comment: Stephanie: "the duet he did with Case was classic." You ain't NEVA lied! So true. I just recently put that song ("Shattered Pictures" I think it's called? It was on some soundtrack, forget which one) on a Mix CD I made for myself.
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Mas90
Comment: Exum...Which 2 albums? I was it anyone of the ones I mentioned. I asked you did you buy any of the 3 albums I mentioned after his hit album "My Name is Joe"? Carl Thomas... plz Puffy held Carl back from releasing albums. Gay hating. You can't compare India Airie to R Kelly. That's apples and oranges.... to different genres. One is neo-soul and the other is r&b-crossover pop. Did you not get Indie Airie first single.. video girl? GEEZ, I guess not. Joe's singles from his last 3 album were Soul not uptempo/midtempo dance orientated like R Kelly (even thought Kelly does release soul songs but most are towards hip hop feel). Because Joe's songs were Soul... Jive records would send the single to Contemparory R&B outlets intstead of those that played for example R Kelly's "I'm A Flirt" feat. TI. Kelly changed his style of music to the that midtempo hip hop southern %*$! Soulja Boy uses for example. Joe release singles were not that hip hop midtempo. Go to this website and look at urban chart and urban AC chart and you will see the difference..... www.radioandrecords.com . I read this and Billborad every week. This Joe story isn't crazy talk... you're just not hip to what goes on behind the scene. Not everyone in the biz are friends. It's a business.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: RSmi... I don't remember details of Stephanie Mills but she was forced to go gospel to continue singing.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Correction: I was ASKING it anyone of the ones I mentioned.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Correction: I was ASKING IF it was any of the ones I mentioned.
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Name:
RSmi
Comment: Thanks Mas90
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Mas...I think you are talking "around" what Ex's point clearly is "Joe is blaming R Kelly (and Jive execs) for trying to sobotage his career for the sake of Kelly. I think most people can figure out how backhanded deals are made. But, Joe does sound suspect blaming others for his lack of success. Even at his pinnacle, he still wasn't a solid success story. He falls in line w/others like Carl Thomas and you can argue R.L. Both have relatively good voices but didn't fare well. You don't even have to use the neo-soul references. Adult/Contemp artists don't sell well despite how much of a push they get from the label. Vivian Green? Same thing. If they don't do something better w/Jennifer Hudson and this adult/contemporary single she put out, she'll suffer the same fate which will be an unfortunate complete waste.
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Calidee
Comment: Joe is very talented and he didn't have to go there. This could be true,and if it is, Rkelly would not be the first nor the last person in this industry who would try to sabatoge the career of a competitor.
But if you consider that there are so many talented entertainers who don't get support from their record labels it's very possible that this has nothing to do with RKelly.
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Mas90
Comment: Herb...I c your view...but were talking about 2001 not 2008. I agree and disagree. RL just had bad singles, my opinion. Vivan Green, Joe... the singles release just did not appeal to me. I wasn't feeling it but it doesn't mean it couldn't been a hit on the R&B Hip Hop stations. Hudson... the song "Spotlight" is the bomb but I've been watching it on the charts and it is slow climbing. I'm real disappointed that it's not getting more airplay. Herb you are right that she may suffer the same fate. I hope not.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Yep, he did. I just don't think he would've fared well either way. We only allow room for one or two artists and the rest generally fall by the wayside. Hell I liked Chico and his Long time No See CD is off da chain. Sadly, I sometimes judge music by the feeling I get listening to it while herbing out..lol That CD is the bomb. When I first Spotlight I said "you gots to be kidding me." I think she sounds fine but damn...her CD has been in the making since 2005..b4 Dreamgirls finished production and THIS is what they come up w/? It sounds like a song made exclusively for Latoya London (the other girl from Ameri I during that season). Why not make her sexy or some'n...add a lil flavor? g'damn
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musbdherbs
Comment: hoo-hoo..hoo-hoo. WTF IS THAT?
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Herbs... SPotlight... yeah i did feel that she held back on vocals. I was a little disappointed but I do love the song. I don't know why her CD was delayed but I heard the record comp didn't like the finished songs and told her to go back. What is up with Chico's Long Time No See... I wasn't feeling this album. None of singles released did anything for me. The single I did like was 1999's "Give You What You Want(Fa Sure) which is the same song as Tracie Spencer's 1999 song "Closer". Both songs produced by Soulshock & Karlin.
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Exmun
Comment: Mas, "All that I Am" and "My Name is Joe." I also have Joe and Case's single "Faded Pictures" in my Blackberry. I'm not all that crazy about Joe's latest stuff. Just doing do it like the older stuff did. I also liked his first record, but didn't buy it. I tend to favor long-term artists and will often wait to see what someone does the second time around to see if I got a keeper. Look I'm glad you see my point (albeit through 'Herbs). My point is that the Soul segment of Black music has historically not sold as much as the more pop end. R. Smelly's music is in a different category than Joe's. Less mature (with the exception of his more gospelly stuff). More teen oriented. Having less sophisticated lyrics than artists like Joe. 'Herbs' comment about someone like R.L. proves my point. With some rare exception adult oriented R&B (or any adult oriented genre) tends to not sell as well as the poppy stuff. So to me, that's more the reason for Joe's career not being as profitable as Kelly's music. I'm not suggesting that there isn't high school behavior in the music industry. I have two music clients on independent labels. All I'm saying is that Joe's brand of music has a lower ceiling than Kelly's pop urban stuff.
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Name:
Exmun
Comment: And Joe's lack of success in his later stuff may also be as simple as Joe's audience grew up and older folks (say above 25) tend to have hardened views on what they like and don't buy as much music as teens and young adults. Joe came out in the very early 90s if I recall.
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chelle73
Comment: When Joe's new album flops who is he gonna blame it on this time around?
That negro just trying to get publicity with this story in hopes that people will feel pity towards him and go out and buy his album.
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Name:
javone77
Comment: Mus: I agree! Jeniifer straight disappointed me! they premiered the video for her song at the BET awards and I was left scratching my head. the song is horrific and the video is almost as bad. smh 3 yrs and that was it?
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musbdherbs
Comment: Mas..lol. Yeah that is what I heard and also that they were unsure about where to "fit" her in. I don't dislike the song itself..I just don't care much for her doing. Maybe my own expectations were too high considering her recent fame. If they are going the adult route, they don't need to let her do a'an nother song w/Ne-Yo. Imagine what a single w/Joe would be? That would be some tite shyt. And erybody should stop playin, ya'll know damn well that 12 play was ya'll'z SHYT!
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Name:
Exmun
Comment: 'Herbs, Never was a Kelly fan. His perversions gave me further reason to not support him. Trifling
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Exum.. okay, fine. I could say more but I'll leave it alone. No actually, I change my mind... R Kelly felt threaten after JOe was going to still female fans because Joe's songs weren't sexually charged and climbed up the charts. Kelly uses "sex lyrics" while JOe romances you instead. Also Exum re: second time around, you bought his second CD and he's been a long term artist.... he continues to release albums but you didn't buy the last 3. As far as the music scene... adult R&B reigh in the 90's... after 2000 and rappers could use "fruityloops, acid music software, cakewalk, etc." they music style changed and another silly, no knowledge of music theory generation started requesting songs like "Get Low" from Lil' Jon. Oh I also blame the "country-acting" black adults too... Lords knows Atlanta was and still country as "Old COuntry Buffet Restaurant". TTFN!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: 12 play was da bomb..... Your Body's Callin' was my favortie song.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: I know Joe is reading these comments.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Mas..now hol' up about "country acting black folk." Gangsta rap was created on your side of the continent. I think most people would argue that it was the beginning of the end of quality mainstream black music. So anybody living out there should be the last to criticize ATL for its music style. "Bytches ain't shyt but ho's and tricks, lick on deez nuts and suck the dyck" came straight out of Cali.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Ex...damn...u freaking puritan..lol
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Herb... no... lick these nuts, suck this dyck came from the south... 2 Live Crew. I don't represent the West coast cause I'm from the mid-east(some call midwest).
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Name:
Exmun
Comment: 'Herbs you just a hater because I sussed out Kells before the "story" broke and outed him for what I already "discerned" him to be! :) Mas, I think your comment about black music falling off right out 2000 suggests to me probably why I didn't get Joe's later albums. Once he started associated with the looney tunes rappers and having them all up in his mix, his music wasn't the same. I'm the kind of person who doesn't like my food and my music all mixed up. If you do RnB/Soul do that. Don't put G-unit on classic soul music. Getz on my damn nerve.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Exum... well G-Unit being featured on one his song was a surprised and not for me(for other reasons) but yes Lloyd Banks/50 cent/Tony "Old %*$ 40 Yr Old" Yayo didn't belong on that song.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: *Azz
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: I just unfortuantely live on the west coast. It sucks here ya'll. Damn Mexicans!
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: SUGA32: ...Thanks for reading & understanding ALL of WTF I wrote!
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: javone77: Hey Lady! sml!! Where you get to yesterday!?? I must've made you.."shy" talkin bout all that..."talent"!! LOL!!!
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: musbdherbs: I'm on the "westside"?? & I can't argue with those FACTS my brotha!! In retrospect, it WAS the beginning of this shyt out now, huh!?? Damn...but we can't overlook how the system wants/loves to IGNORE the positive in US!, even though it's ...right in front of them! there STILL are a lot of positve artist out there, who don't get any "shine", b/c these labels get 2 things when NOT promoting their material...keeping negative/NYGGAtive images out there aaaaannnnd, they get to make MONEY doing it!! Holla!
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Name:
queeniebunz
Comment: >Mas - I understand people have different taste and all but I can't believe you would say that Chico's cd is just a'ight. That cd is off da hook! I played it so much I'm surprised I didn't scratch it and I still play it. Ain't nuthin' like some Chico in the bubble bath w/some candles lit or in the dark w/some candles lit and a negro there with you. You're kidding me! Chico said he'll "take 500 years of slavery out on that azz!" and I'm surely down wit that! Bring it!...As for Joe, well, I do like his voice but he kills me with that line "I'll hit it so hard I'll make your mother scream" or something like that. The last thing I want to think about when I'm gettin' done is my ma...and regarding R, well, as soon as I heard y'all mention that it's implausible for R to call a bunch of radio stations I thought about Cathy Hughes and how many she owns. Nowadays radio stations are part of monopolies. A very few people own multiple stations. Would he really have to call a bunch of stations? He could just call one person and hundreds would shut Joe down. I'm just saying...
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Name:
dcdouglass01
Comment: Mas, I agree "12 Play" was the bomb. There's been very little from R. Kelly that has moved me ever since.
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Name:
Southernbelle
Comment: Hey Mas, I usually don't get into quote's. But, it's estimated that MJ has sold over 750 million records are you telling me that R. Kelly (who has never been a cross over artist) has a catalog comparable to this?
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chelle73
Comment: Who is Joe gonna blame when his new album flops?
Maybe he should of signed to g-unit...LOL
Then him and 50 can talk about how they are flops in the industry now.
Chris Brown is on Jive and is having more success than Joe ever had.
So why hasnt R Kelly tried to sabotage him?
Why? Cause Joe is a bitter a.s.s. liar.
Whose mad cause he has no career.
You don't see Ginuwine in the media crying about not having a career anymore.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Queenie...I just could not get into nothing on that CD.
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Name:
Southernbelle
Comment: Oh no chelle73 not G-Unit. Hell not only will sabotage your career if you cross him but he'll put on blast too LOL.
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Name:
SweetieDarlin
Comment: I also believe Joe. Just because R is talented to some people who like lyrics that seemed to be written by a horny 14 year old, doesn't mean he is above trying to stop people who could be as successful if not more successful than he is. R is likely very insecure because he always fears he doesn't deserve his accolades and will wind up the dusty, stinky little boy with the good voice he was in high school. Come on, this is the at least the third time someone has made a similar allegation and these are talented people on his level. Think about even how Aaron Hall came out first with a style similar to R's (with better writing) but R got the kudos and Arron is struggling to stay relevant---Aaron always complained that R stole his style which may have been true since R didn't initially sound like he does not (like Aarron Hall from the late 80s early 90s.) Often poor careers are a result of improper promotion and likely sabotage in some instances, heck do you really think that the music out here is the only music from talented people (rhetoric questions, we all know better?) A lot of really good stuff usually doesn't get heard and it isn't the artists fault, i.e, Van Hunt, Sy Smith, Lina, Lela James, Ledisi and many others. I hope Joe will now get the good material to sing and the recognition he deserves.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Southern... R Kelly writes for many artist and has been for almost 2 decades. You said MJ "heyday" not total. It depends on what type of contract MJ had. He may have made more.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Chelle73... you're wrong... Chris Brown has only sold a total of 2 million copies of both his albums. Joe has sold over 5 million copies. Do the math.
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Name:
chelle73
Comment: @ Mas90
But How come Kelly hasnt tried to sabotage his career?
Chris Brown is on Jive?????
Joe is bitter for not having a career anymore.
He didn't have much of a career to being with...LOL
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Name:
chelle73
Comment: On more thing before I depart.
I will be keeping close tabs on Soundscan once Joes new album is released.
Cause hes not on Jive anymore so he should sell a milli off the back and debut at number 1 and hold that spot for awhile.
So when he flops again. I wanna see who the blame will be put on.
And after he flops EUR make sure a article is wrote about it and call Joe up and ask him what happened.
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Name:
Stephanie
Comment: Mas, I so feel you on the Mexicans! You think you got it bad, try living in San Diego where Tijuana is like 15 minutes away. For every 10 people in San Diego, 8 of them are Mexican. What REALLY irks the shyt out of me is when they cut you off at the store, and act like the word excuse me or pardon me is not in their vocabulary. That burns me up...if the mother is illegal and has her baby here, she is entitled to all the benefits the average working American is. That BS. I think they should cut that shiat out because its a total network and I'd rather see those funds go to Adult daycares plus it would really help the state budget!
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: Chelle73: Chris hasn't even been in the "game" as long as Joe so....it'll probably "add up" & PASS! what you're saying by the time he HAS been in it as long as Joe! Buuuut C.B. is not in the same demographic as R-ruh!, so the competition isn't there as it was with Joe!! All I know is...if this ain't true or Joe doesn't have any proof?? "premature" ain't the word!..."STUPID" iiiiiz!! Holla!
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Name:
chelle73
Comment: 12 play 4th quarter coming soon....
http://www.youtube.com/user/12playnet
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: chelle73... people come on... R Kelly is one the biggest R&B male singer out there... Chris Brown is a roach and does not write his own music from scratch. Chris has only been around since 2005... Joe 1993... R Kelly dumped Public Annoucement in 1993... there is a longer battle. Chris Brown still singing to 4th graders!! R Kelly sings to 8th graders!!! Come on now there is a difference.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Stephanie... true. I know its bad!
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: LOL@Ex. R started out singing bout sex. But we should also remember that he came in at a time when R&B turned horny. Aaron was out b4 Kelly and his music (Don't be Afraid) was straight baby-making music. Kelly followed after PA's "honey Love" w/Sex Me. Taurus..no doubt I feel you on dat homie. Queenie..know what I'm saying? Iggin me, Ms. Wonderful, Love Still Good, No Guarantee. Man that was music right dere. I remember sitting up in my Brookland/CU apt drinking a "box" of franzia wine thinking I was the mfkng shiznit! SD, I put forth a valiant effort in trying to listening to Leela's CD. Now that's one I just can't get into. Very much like the suicidal music of Corrine Bailey Ray. OMG Mas now you need to quit...damn 8th graders..lol Hell nowadays 8th graders will show a grown man some new tricks. Oh...uhm...we saw that the "video" nevermind.
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Name:
Taurusingr
Comment: Stephanie:...Now you KNOW yo guuuubment ain't trying to do shyt the "right way"! That's why we are where we are now!! They want that shyt to continue so Black & Brown will "take each other out!, fighting over the damn crumbs they've provided! If they REALLY wanted to stop this shyt, all they would have to do is stop letting them in & stop HIRING them when they get hurr!! But that would mean...the SLAVERY would end & that would mean..they don't make that MONEY off of their as-es & that would mean, they would have to raise the minimum wage! And you KNOW!..when it comes to the money going where the fukk it should be going?(Katrina,Education..WHATEVER!!) This country ain't NEVER goin do...the "right thang"!! Holla!!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Herb... "8th graders will show a grown man some new tricks" for a minute there I thought you were referring to yourself. LOL!
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Name:
shayshay14
Comment: I'm not surprised that a man who screws children would do childish things. I wouldn't put it past R Kelly.
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Name:
TesticAl
Comment: Mas90, don't be talkin' about the Westcoast.
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Name:
mandinka_99
Comment: Y'all wanna know somethin'? I think I figured out part of the reason why R-uh got such a huge fan base. Okay, check this ... When R-uh came out with 12-play, who was considred the "THE" R&B crooner at the time?? BABYFACE!! Now Babyface wrote songs that definitely appealed to women, especially the more sophisticated ones. Babyface was also accused of "beggin'" too much Now R-uh came along when rap was just hittin' it's stride with that hard-core thug & pimp appeal; and y'all know thugs & pimps don't "beg" for shyt ... they either "buy it" or "beat it" out of woman. Hence ... R-uh chose to follow the thug/pimp trend which appealed to a lot of guys. And there you have it ... R-uh selling millions of of sexed-up CDs to guys who don't have the first clue about what real soul & romance is!
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Testic... I didn't know you were Mexican!
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Boy you better sit down w/that...damn 8th graders my azz..lol BTW, Al is half belizian and Madagascarian...
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Name:
Babygirl
Comment: TGen: The song Joe did with Case was "Faded Pictures". It was on the Rush Hour Soundtrack. I love it also. It's on heavy rotation on my iPod. // I thought the deal with "More & More" was that Kells gave to Joe, but felt that he did not do it any justice. Therefore he released his own version.
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Name:
SweetieDarlin
Comment: Dang way to break it down Mandika_99. Amen Taurusingr. Mas90, glad someone else see dude is singing to 8th graders (guess 'cause that's really his speed.) Musbd> I guess it's an acquired taste, actually Leela is not one I listen to a lot, but I did like it, Corrine is cool but depends on the mood, IMO Van Hunt is interesing because the music is different from what we're usually hearing (kinda early Prince, not as nasty) then again I like Craig David and Javier...I'm one of the old folks who look for good sounds period, not just hang with the 'Golden Age' of my youth 'cause as you've often mentioned we had crap music too.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Herb... Like I said, I didn't know you (testic) was Mexican. Well, at least half. Belize is right next to Mexico. There is no difference between a Mexican, Belizian, El Salvadorian.... basically Central Americian. People from Central American kill me getting offended as if there is some great difference between them. That's like a North Dakotian getting offended for being called a South Dakotian. Give me a fvcking break!
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Name:
TesticAl
Comment: LMFAO at Herbs. Shut up homey. Mas90, niggah I ain't Mexican. I'm 1,000% Belizean (Both parents are from there). There is no difference between Mexicans, El Salvadorians, and Belizeans? Fuckk outta here with that shyt niggah. Who told you that? You're starting to sound like those uneducated negroes you speak off that talk about homos all of the time. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE between a Mexican and Belizean. Get your shyt straight. Explain to me how there is no difference between a Mexican/El Salvadorian and a Belizean.
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Name:
TesticAl
Comment: You also said that Belize is right next to Messico. Ok? It's right next to Guatemala too. What's your point? The U.S. is RIGHT NEXT to Mexico too. See where I'm going with this? Man you're killin' me. You live out here in LA just like me so you should know the difference. Fuckk outta here disrespectin' like that. LOL!
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Name:
PHScott
Comment: Well, I suppose Rob got tired of f**kin' and pi$$in' on young girls and decided to start f**kin' and pi$$in' on grown men and their careers...
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Testic... Okay Belizeans, fine. Yes, the US is next to Mexico. You are latino. There is no fvcking difference. I'm black, negro, Afro-American. El Salavadorian, Guatemelan, etc. are all latinos. There is no big difference! Just like Koreans, Chinese, Japanese... all asians. You can't compare this sexual orientation cause there is only 3 defined and 2 I believe in (str8/gay). Bi is just someone to fvcking scared to be gay. Plus, you can't compare it to mannerism to as well in being gay... feminine, masculine, etc. cause that's not an appearence. It's a behavior. I can't say you act Mexican. The human species is broken down like this... Latino, Caucasian, Asian, Arab and African. It's not Italian, Floridian, Brazilian, Muslim, etc. Now you tell me the difference.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Correction: You can't compare this TO sexual orientation
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Name:
TesticAl
Comment: Mas, how old are you homey? NO WAY ON EARTH AM I Latino. Not in the least. Do you know what a Latino is? Belize is not a Latin country. Let's define Latino off the top. A latino is a person is that comes from Spanish speaking background, which I do not. In certain parts of Belize people speak spanish, but it still isn't a Latino country. If anything, I would be "Carib". Latinos would be Puerto Ricans, Spaniards, Dominicans, etc. Not Belizeans.
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Name:
TesticAl
Comment: One more thing. I wasn't comparing this to sexual preference at all. Where did you get that from dude? I said "You're starting to sound like those uneducated negroes you speak off that talk about homos all of the time."
Meaning, you're speaking nonsense on something you know nothing about. YOU WERE WRONG! No way was I even comparing sexual preference. Show me where I did. You can. Now take your L please.
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Name:
TesticAl
Comment: You need to learn what my culture is. It's a carib culture homey. Hopefully you know what that is.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: Carib... fine. But just to let you know you're own people in Los Angeles refer to themselves as Latin and hispanic. Carib isn't even used in the US. But you didn't answer my question. What is the difference between a Mexican and a Belizean? You can't tell me that the Carib that came from South America did not migrate into Mexico. Why stop there? LA was originally Indian. I left that off in the different race that are on this planet. Hispanic and Latin name appeared after the Europeans mated with Carib. I still fit that area fit under the same basic.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: No different from me being African decent. I still won this discussion. Thx you!
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Name:
TesticAl
Comment: You're a lie on us refering to ourselves as Latin and hispanic. I know I sure don't. Have you ever been to a Carribean Festival out here in L.A.? There is one here this weekend in Long Beach. They are celebrating Jamaicans & Belizeans. Catch my drift? Let me answer you question for you. What is a difference between a Mexican and a Belizean. Here's one for you homey. The first African slaves arrived here and began marrying with many of the other ethnic groups in the country. This mixture created the Belizean Kriol people ethnic group. Thanks dad! How's that for you? Certainly what I just said doesn't apply to Mexicans.
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Name:
TesticAl
Comment: Now you answer my question, HOW OLD ARE YOU HOMEY? LMAO! I don't think you know any Belizeans. We don't classify ourselves as "Latino". That's false. Maybe it depends on what part of Belize they're from. You didn't answer my other question either. "WHERE DID I COMPARE SEXUAL PREFENCE?" You lost doggy. Take your L. LOL!
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Name:
TesticAl
Comment: Mas, do you ever go to any reggae hangouts out here? If you do, you would find out that Belize is a big part of the reggae culture. Certainly "LATINOS/Mexico/El Salvador" are not part of that culture at all. As a matter of fact, as ANY real Jamaican or any other carib what are Belizeans and they will tell you. I know what I am, and Latino I am not.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: So, now you're partly African decent like me. I C. No, i don't go to the reggae clubs here or any clubs cause they charge too much and I hate being around silly drunk people cause they don't know how to act. Yes, I've actually met Belizean... lord he was fine. Anyway, Testic you shouldn't refer to yourself as Belizean. It should be Cabri. You told me you were Belizean. Re: sexual pref... that was me ranting. United states is a melting pot of different races. Like I said there is only these that exist... African, Asian, Causcasian, Indian, Arabian, Hispanic/Latin/cabri(whatever). It's not that complicated. Society is so mixed. OH! What do you feel out with you do an application? Latin/hispanic.... I know you don't put Belizean or Cabri.... even you do Other they will lump yo azz under Hispanic. Belizean, Salvadorians, Honduraian, etc. kill me not wanted to anything connected to a Mexican. I don't hear Mexican complaining to considered Latin or Hispanic. It ain't that serious dawg!!!! Being a Hispanic isn't a bad thing... you're the new black in this country. Go to the midwest and white women will love you long time!
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Name:
TesticAl
Comment: I love this automatic updater thing. Cool. Mas the average club costs $20. That's too much for you? Damn! What do I fill out on applications? I always put "Black/other or African American/Other". I'm not saying that I don't want to be connected to anything Mexican, I'm just saying that's not what I am. Oh, it it that serious to me. If it wasn't, I wanted be having this debate with you. LOL! How old are you? Lmao at you saying that Belizean dude was fine. There you go. LOL! I would fuckk a white girl, but I'm not going to the midwest. LOL! I'll be glad when 7 gets here. The military don't play! You can't leave until it's time.
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Name:
ladydee714
Comment: let's pray that r.kelly doesn't have that kind of power!for real!and joe's all way's been a great artist!bless him.
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Name:
Smokie1
Comment: I am a Joe fan and I have always wondered what was the issue as to why he could never get it going. Glad I just waited for the answer to come to me. I can believe that Kelly tried to do what he is alledging. It does not help Kelly to have another person emulating his style. Emulation is a compliment perse, but I guess Kelly's thought was he couldn't let Joe get more popular than he was.
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: testic... $20 is not cheap. I used to go to clubs on the east coast for $10 or no charge at all and they don't close until 5 or 6am. Here they close at 2am, WTF? And pay $20 for about 4hrs. hell no! ridiculious. I don't fall for the stupid scenes just because it is Hollywood/LA. Black or other African decent uh,hu... don't want to be connected to Mexican... Mexican is a country not a race. You just don't want to be connected to the stigma of a latino. My age.... why u wanna know my age? I'm old enough to have a teenager. The Belizean dude was fine... ashame the negro never called me. He was str8. I met him for business. I don't chase str8 but he was something to stare at. %*$! a white girl, eh? Hmm, interesting. Ur in the military, modern day slavery, must be nice. lol
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Name:
14you
Comment: I am sbf and a big fan of Joe's. Joe is singing about everything a woman wants at least to the women that know what they want..his lyrics beat out Ruh who does sound like he's trying to attract the yunggins any day. Glad Joe left, his last album is hot too.
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Name:
TesticAl
Comment: Mas, $20 is nothing for me. I guess it comes with living in Cali. Who the hell wants to stay in a club until 5/6 a.m.? Cetainly not me. I'm good with 2 a.m. The only time I stay in clubs extra late is in Vegas. Now, once again don't go telling me what I don't want to be connected with. I'm a black dude with a carib background. You just don't understand. It's all good though. I wanna know your age because it seems like a soft spot for you and you're hip to things that's in my age range. I'm 28 by the way. Look at you calling the Belizean dude a "negro". According to you wouldn't that be "Latino"? LOL! Yes I'm in the military (Marines). I'm not on active duty anymore. Yes it is nice. I love it. I went to school without paying a dime. LOL! You're alright with me...sometimes. NO HOMO! LOL!
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Name:
CaliGyrl
Comment: Being a former record label employee, Joe's story has some logic to it. Not sure who asked the question about Rruh "not having time to call all those stations", really he would only have to make about 3 or so calls to do some serious damage to someone's record/career. NYC, L.A. & Chi Town are the top 3 markets where an artist can sell a whole lot of records if they're getting serious airplay in those cities alone. If you can limit the rotation in these markets, you can pretty much achieve your goal. Also, like someone stated earlier, Radio One, Cumulus and a few other companies own a majority of the stations as well so another 2 or 3 calls and there you go. An artist of Rruh's status can pretty much call the shots because he can limit the amount of promo's, concerts, etc. he gives a station for not doing what he wants. There's casualties in every war and although stations may like Joe, at the end of the day, it's a business decision.
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Name:
CaliGyrl
Comment: Also, remember when it was "rumored" that Beyonce tried to have stations "kill" LaToya's record and when that didn't work, she moved her album release date close to the same time so she could directly compete against her. An artist of Beyonce's stature would certainly be able to command this type of thing. I also heard that her and her daddy call the shots at Sony/Columbia as to what female artist get signed, gets publicity, etc. Wonder why Amerie's career hasn't really taken off or Kelly Rowland's for that matter? I bet if they leave Sony it will.
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Name:
NLuvWitKells
Comment: OMG I don't get some people ungrateful!Joe %*$!ed cause he aint hot as kells, even when kells gave him a hit, he still couldn't make it hot! Now that's sad,LOL!
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