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Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: hmm, I wonder who the National Security Advisor will be and I wonder whether Hillary is prepared to bend her will to the will of her boss, President-elect Barack Obama . . . . . during the primary campaign, Bclinton said that with Hillary, we get 2-for-one, so I also wonder how much meddling he's going to do in his wife's job . . . . . clinton leaks combined with the difficulty of vetting Hillary because of Bill's "work" has made people anxious about Hillary as SOS . . . . the anxiety is rightly felt because we don't know how Hillary will play in the sandbox with the Obama team of former clinton staffers . . . . . a former clintonite and clinton attorney, Greg Craig will head the ethics office: he endorsed Obama early in the primary campaign and was an object of disdain by Hillaryites; Craig will keep an eagle eye on Bill . . . . . for good or ill, we'll have to wait to see how all of the Obama chess moves involving the hire of former clinton staff as well as Hclinton will play out . . . . I give President-elect Obama many kudos for knowing that he needs an experienced, battled scarred staff in the trenches because the multi-layered bad conditions in this country can not be dealt with by neophytes doing on the job training
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: one overarching anxiety can not be overlooked and that is whether Hillary will attempt to grandstand at the expense of her boss: don't do it Hillary, if you take the job, your greatest glory will be demonstrated with how you use the SOS position to bring sanity to our international relations as part of a team under the guidance of President Obama
Name: FiveMore
Comment: Ummmp..Ummmp..Ummmp!Did someone force this over on B 'cause aint no way in hot hell..I guess that's why I will never run for a political office so this is his business to deal with!Like I said the other day, (What Change?)where is the change, all of those folk are the same people from previous administrations.Did the ideas and mindsets change in these few short months,huh?(Hilliary C. still hates his guts, so no change there, isn't that right?)I have heard scary rumors about those folk but he has now made his bed, so he must lie comfortably in it. Politics sure do make strange bed fellows.SMH in pure disbelief!Let the games begin!
Name: Reds
Comment: Agents of Change or Hawks, Clintonites and Neocons? A Discussion about Barack Obama’s Advisers and Transition Team. The website Politico reported last week that thirty-one out of forty-seven people named so far to transition or staff posts have ties to the Clinton administration. Jeremy Scahill, author of the international bestseller Blackwater: The Rise of the World’s Most Powerful Mercenary Army, has just written a piece that’s been published on AlterNet.org; it’s called “This Is Change? 20 Hawks, Clintonites and Neocons to Watch for in Obama’s White House.” He debates David Corn, the Washington bureau chief of Mother Jones. He’s just written a piece on Mother Jones’s blog called “The Agents of Change on Obama’s Transition Team.” http://www.democracynow.org/2008/11/20/agents_of_chang e_or_hawks_clintonites
Name: ss69054
Comment: We all knew this was coming. She would still have to implement his policies and not her own. I truly don't believe she hates his guts, she wouldn't have been willing to take the job if so. Right about now, I don't give a damn who he puts in there as long as they get the job done and get it done right. Anybody better than the 8 miserable years we had, I will accept. I don't know why the Obama critics are on him about hiring people from the Clinton adminstration declaring that this is not the change they wanted. Well as far as I am concern, folks wasn't losing homes, jobs, etc during those terms. The change I want to see is that this country is not ran like it was these past 8 years of corruption and ignorance. I'll sit back and wait to judge after a year or two. Right now I'm going to give them a chance because they got a lot of cleaning up!!
Name: olskool4life
Comment: Co-sign with ss69054
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: yeah, the clintons with their leaks to MSM - Name: FiveMore Comment: Did someone force this over on B 'cause aint no way in hot hell . . . . . the clintons are still pizzed because Obama donors have not paid off clinton's campaign debt and the clintons feel strongly that Obama owes them, so, maybe this SOS position offering truly is Obama's way of both keeping a major enemy close and shutting them up about their campaign debt . . . . . it takes big brass balls to insist that Obama pay off clinton debt largely incurred because clinton refused to cede the candidate-elect victory after Super Tuesday in February when clinton was badly beaten and not as debt ridden . . . . . . factor in the essential truth that those 18 million cracks that Hclinton talks about includes a sh!t load of Republicans who switched primary party status to vote for Hillary, facilitating Limbaugh's chaos
Name: TGen
Comment: The writer of this article on the Huffintonpost expresses my sentiments to the tee: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/patricia-degennaro/obama -dont-hire-hillary_b_145250.html "Obama: Don't Hire Hillary" Excerpt: "As a professor of global affairs and an international security advisor to both the U.S. military and President of Afghanistan, I do not agree with the masses - again. Appointing Senator Clinton is a bad idea. If the President-elect is truly for change he needs someone who supports that and so far Clinton has held true to business as usual. This is not a discussion about Clinton's experience. She has plenty. It is about the differences between these two individuals, the differences between their stated foreign policy and Obama's promise for change. She supported the Iraq war, he is against it. Clinton was unapologetic about voting for the war despite pleas from her own constituency to admit it was a mistake. Alternatively, she took a hard stance and further disagreed with Obama's idea of withdrawal. Under no circumstances does Clinton want to speak with Iran. Obama, on the other hand, stated that he felt speaking to Iran was a requirement for getting them past their nuclear weapons ambitions. Her policy ironically is to use ours on them if they did not submit to US demands."
Name: beboyz
Comment: Hillary is not qualified to be SOS. It would be ironic if she cant pass the confirmation process.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: TGEN...exactly. I heard about this when I woke up and I still have a migraine (and I don't even get headaches). I expected to disagree w/some decisions that Obama will make. There is no such thing as 100% agreement. But, to make a decision that counters to everything he said about change during the primary...I'm blown. Hell, I even had to smoke a J this am and I don't EVER do that. This is a restoration. I'm so disgusted I can eat a brussel sprout, beet and scrapple sandwich. SMGDHICD!
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: TGen and musb: the beauty of the clinton selection is that she has to toe the line and that she must bow to the will of her boss . . . . . if Hillary's views surface as different than those of her boss while in the conduct of her job, she loses creds, not her boss and she loses her job . . . . . this whole scenario is not so much that the job is being offered but that Hillary will consider taking it under the conditions that have been made plain to her
Name: ss69054
Comment: HarrisThomas: good point because her policies becomes inactive once she takes the position.
Name: Grace12_34
Comment: I co-sign with ss69054. The "change" was NEVER really about the PLAYERS. It was about "the way business is done in Washington." Also, I disagree that Hillary "never apologized" for voting to go to war in Iraq. She said it was a mistake to vote that way and that if she knew then what she knows now, she would never have cast that vote. (Where is CREENJ when I need her?) That's good enough for me. EVERYbody makes mistakes. As a matter of fact, I'm willing to forgive HALF (and only half) of the people in Congress who voted that way. They didn't have enough info (other than the b.s. being fed to them by Dubya), and they thought it was all over after the breathtaking, catastrophic events of September 11, 2001. They were afraid.
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ....Look, he ran onna platform of change...So WTF can't he change the change?....It's all 'bout change...Loose change, spare change...He can change his mind...He told all ya'll people...He was about dayum change....So why is everybody upset with the Clinton nom?...Maybe she changed...You knew he was gonna change sh1t...Let him change in peace...If you didn't want him changing sh1t then you shouldn't have voted for him...You shoulda changed your mind in the booth...Change, change, change...He's gonna change...Watch how he changes sh1t....If nothing else he changes the way most of us see ourselves...Some of ya'll just mad 'cause he changed on you..Don't be suprised at more changes to come...A change gon come ooooh yes it will...
Name: DoctorSmooth
Comment: Good choice. Hillary is more of a centrist, while Obama is more left-of-center. It's good to have balance in an administration. I preferred Clinton over Obama anyway, and wanted her over Biden as VP, so I'm glad she's getting this position, at least as a consolation prize of sorts.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: HT..I'm not concerned about whether she will be effective. She and her husbands political career depends on it. What concerns me is that he ran against the Clinton years..now he's asking us to understand that he needs 'em in these perilous times. It's a slap in the face to Kerry and Richards who have much more experience in foreign affairs than she does. He didn't "have" to make this decision. He chose to...and if the stories about this "taking her out of the equation" are true...he's done it for mostly political reasons. This is the biggest pill for a supporter (who supported him in part because he was not a restoration to the drama of the Clinton's) to swallow. Hell, it's still stuck in my throat. Deflated ain't even the word. Just throw the titanic on me y don't you. Change? Yeah..I guess change the race of the person in the yt house cuz dignity surely has been thrown under the bus.
Name: TGen
Comment: HarrisThomas/Ss69054, I get your point, I really do. But this is not only about Hillary. This is about Obama's integrity. The CENTER of his campaign was being against Bush's foreign policy. He railed against Clinton for her Bush-lite positions. What does it say about him that he then turns around and REWARDS her with a position that has EVERYTHING to do with foreign policy? Seriously, all the accolades, the racial pride, etc. aside, what does it say about him? There are TONS of qualified people who were on the RIGHT side of foreign policy and showed good judgement the past decade. Why jump over them to someone with whom you BUILT YOUR CAMPAIGN disagreeing with? People who are focused on this "it's not about the people, it's about the policy" thing are TOTALLY missing the boat. In this case, the people and the policy are the SAME THING! Please read the article I posted, I think you'll find it enlightening...
Name: Grace12_34
Comment: FiveMore, politics DOES make strange bedfellows. A politician will say ANYthing to get elected. The ones who best say what people want to hear are the ones who win the election! I don't believe any of the presidential candidates (including John McCain) hate each other. These people work TOGETHER in the federal government. We all witnessed them fighting and scratching to get to the top of the heap, but that's just the nature of the game. I do agree that if we thought we saw drama during the campaign, that we'd better stay tuned because there will be more to come. The upside of this is that more people than ever before are now interested in politics ... and THAT is a good thing!
Name: TGen
Comment: Musb: "Deflated ain't even the word. Just throw the titanic on me y don't you. Change? Yeah..I guess change the race of the person in the yt house cuz dignity surely has been thrown under the bus." Co-sign 10000000%!
Name: katgrrrl
Comment: I ain't mad at Hillary. She's a very smart woman n' all, but I dunno... This has been circulating for a good while now. I'll believe it when I see it.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: DocSmooth said it best. A consolation prize. Ran against the drama...now throwing it back in our faces as a "consolation prize." Ricahrdson needed a consolation prize...not this historical train wreck. Maybe he should appoint Rev. Wright to his office of Faith Based Initiatives. That's forgiveness. That's trusting his leadership. That's complete bullshyt.
Name: butterpecanrican
Comment: I don't buy a senior advisor speaking on the condition of anonymity. There weren't any leaks from his campaign before and I just don't buy they are leaking information now.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: TGEN..IF she had a history of expertise in foreign policy like she does in domestic policy..I would defer. She doesn't. This is some straight Friday bullshyt. I'm bout to go call de-bo so we can just sit out on the stoop and talk about this dumb shyt. Did I say this is straight bullshyt? I was w/him BEFORE iowa and this is the thanks? No kerry? No richardson?
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: On the other hand, Mr. Obama cannot put rookies in those seats, either. No time for on the job training. Let's just see how it plays out before we condemn any choice is made. It IS Change because those who had worked for Clinton are now coming into an Obama administration and last I looked there is a difference between Obama and Bill. Obama has shown himself to be steady, methodical, realistic and intelligent. What happened? He's the same ole O'B we elected and we can't become all flaky now and second the choice of our chosen leader. Give the man some room. He's doing ok so far. Perhaps some of also will get behind him and be inspired to shake some things up in our own cabinets. The good thing is I think people really want move forward past the last 8 years. GOBAMA!!!!
Name: Grace12_34
Comment: The only real problem I have with his appointments so far is whom he is mulling over for Secretary of Education. Our Chancellor here in New York is up for the job. He's already screwed up things in our state, now he's primed to go national. I HOPE this does not happen. SMH
Name: TGen
Comment: Realuvbaby, please read Musb's posts. He throws out two names of VERY qualified people who are NOT "rookies." This is NOT about rookie vs. experience. This is about judgement, the RIGHT experience, and integrity. Clinton fails every single one of those tests...and Obama is not far behind her in the integrity department. I'm about two steps from getting off this train, and I know if on that day I do jump off I decide to post on this website, I will receive hell for it, but that's okay. I'm on the verge of thinking my earlier suspicion of Mr. Obama was right--he's more of a calculated politician than a leader with principle. I'm not there yet, I will give it a little more time, but I am on the verge. *Ducking tomatoes in advance*
Name: HHCassius
Comment: I have a bad feeling in my gut about this but don't concur with musb stating that Obama ran against the Clinton years. On the contrary, I've heard nothing but praise from him about the Clinton years. As far as I can tell, he's only run against the Bush 8.
Name: shulamite
Comment: TGen and musbdherbs... I'm with you both. Big mistake. He did this purely for his political survival (to stop her monday morning quarterbacking on his every decision), but it's not a good look for his integrity brand. You KNOW Bill has some skeletons that the media will eat up - I don't care what deals the Obama Admin has made to keep them under wraps. It will be ALL about the Clintons from here on out and I'm sorry that Richardson didn't have the chance to show his chops in this position. He deserved it.
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: musb, Obama and clinton have never been way far apart in political perspective for some issues even as they have been in direct opposition on other issues . . . . . in my earliest post on this board today, I say that Obama needs people with experience and it's not unseemly that he is selecting former clinton dem staffers . . . . everybody on the Obama team will conduct business according to Obama's plans/policies and, trust, people who can't or won't execute appropriately will be replaced: on O's behalf, chief of staff Emanuel is a good looking whip cracker and he won't be taking prisoners or names to get the job done
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: the Obama brand will supercede the clinton brand in domestic and foreign affairs
Name: shulamite
Comment: If Hillary Clinton runs the State Department as badly as she ran her campaign, Obama will never live it down. I hope he realizes that.
Name: CRENEEJ
Comment: GRACE, i'm right here.... been down and out a bit, but i'm back... i too, as an HRC enthusiast, don't think this was a good pick. i think you need to have someone who agrees w/ at least the very fundamentals, and i don't think she does. now i think she'll do an awesome job, but i don't think this was the post for her. perhaps as secretary of healthcare and education, but i don't know about this choice. time will tell though.
Name: shulamite
Comment: creneej, she would have been great for Health and Human Services.
Name: TGen
Comment: Thank you for your honesty Creenj, it's refreshing. A lot of Hillaryites choose to make this a "like or dislike" thing versus an issues thing. It's cool when people can just be honest...
Name: Stephanie
Comment: I think this is a terrible decision based on the lies and deceit she used when she ran her campaign. She talked about him like a damn dog and I don't understand why he feels he owes her anything. However, I think Bill Clinton will be the cause of her not getting this position. I hope she doesn't. Go back to NY and serve your people.
Name: CRENEEJ
Comment: cmon over to the dark side TGEN....LOL, it's a little lonely here, with just me and MELODYCOOL, but we can be 3 the hard way....CTFU... no i understand what you all are saying... hopefully this plan will work out for the best..
Name: bigchassie
Comment: well...all i can say is hummm...the plot thickens. or in the words of NELLY: IT'S GETTIN HOT IN HERRE!!!
Name: ss69054
Comment: I'll wait and see how it all comes together before I throw out calculations about people. It is not that damn serious for me. All politicians dont walk straight!! LoL! Sorry it is the business they are in. I know one thing that is much more important than who he choses is that we don't go through the same bullshit we had in 8 years!!! My concerns are this economy, jobs, health care and education. Those are the focuses for the next two years is can they get the job done. Right about now everybody in D.C. better grill up their beefs real quick cause we headed straight to the pitts of hell if they don't put their heads together or else all of us gone be in that soup line...LOL
Name: Bad_Kitty
Comment: He needs to leave those darn Clintons ALONE!
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: TGen, I'm saying it's like Clinton is being FORCED on Obama and I hope America will be satisfied that she has factored in the campaign. Politics are dirty, and nothing is cut and dried. This is why you vote for leaders you believe will do the right thing. He's not even President yet. No matter what decision is made, SOMEBODY is not going to be happy about it. Either you have faith in his skills as a leader or you don't. He's not even President yet and he's a young senator himself,so who does he know, if not the people he's been working with? I just hope that if she becomes a member, that she doesn't quit the position to run for President in 2012. America just will not be satisfied until Hillary Clinton gets her props for what she has accomplished in the campaign. Sorta like when Ruben won American Idol, he HAD to share the prize with Clay. It's not exact science. It's politics. And we can only hope that losing has humbled Ms. Clinton and she has changed for the better since her loss as well. Let's just wait and see. One day at a time. I still say trust your leader. You didn't like all the decisions your parents made for you, but you knew they had your best interests at heart, so give the man a break; respect his choices. We elected him, so let him do his thing, or send your recommendations in.
Name: LazySusan
Comment: There were never any 'leaks' until that Clinton shill Rahm Emmanuel was named Chief of Staff. This is such a big mistake that I am honestly wondering if there is more to this story that we don't know? I'm torn between wanting to trust that this is going to be alright, since President Elect Obama always seems to be 3 steps ahead of everyone. But this nomination is just ridiculous. And God help us all, now we're hearing about those dayum 18 million voters that she got, as if somehow she has a right to some big piece of pie when she did so little to help Barack Obama get to this point. And I am very uneasy at how John Kerry and Governor Bill Richardson have been dogged out here. They were in his corner early and defending him with every breath they had. They certainly won't be interested in something lame like 'Transportation Secretrary' or some carp like that. Sigh. I guess we'll just have to see.
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: I thought we wanted to change the Republican policies of the last 8 years. I think that we don't have all the information that Mr. Obama and his team has, so we don't know what he knows, and he's the President-elect. Perhaps there is something that is preventing others from being considered. Who really knows?
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: We all know how toxic the Clintons are but her supporters are tenacious and dug real deep. And it wasn't all about Hillary. Its about the other Dems who have been in Washington and been waiting to get in. Clinton comes like a necessary evil and any Democrat that became president would have inherited the Clintons so, I don't think it would have been easy for any one. The Clinton supporters know how to squeeze, and maybe now they will be satisfied that Hillary has her place and allow the country to move on.
Name: dcdouglass01
Comment: I don't have a problem with this nomination. Hillary has been involved in international politics from a variety of angles (First Lady to senator) for many years. And say "Hillary Clinton" to any major foreign leader, and they know who you're talking about.
Name: TGen
Comment: Realluvbaby, Obama is not my parent. He is a politician. I didn't elect my parents, I helped elect him. Yes, we live in a democratic republic which means we elect people to make decisions for us, but we are still DEMOCRATIC which means the people have a voice. You're right, I think "sending my recommendations in" is a good idea.
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: Now if chose McCain for a cabinet post, then I'd worry . . . but in theory, all Dems are supposed to be on the same side . . .
Name: TGen
Comment: Realuvbaby, why would you "worry" if he chose McCain but not Clinton? Clinton and McCain were basically in lock-step on foreign policy, voted the same way most of the time, so why give Hillary more credit than McCain? I don't get it...
Name: ss69054
Comment: Oh well all who are not in favor need to get over it and move on because it is a done deal. Sorry but that is just the way it is. She will be secretary of state no doubt. Let's all take stand up, breath in, now breath out...1,2,3..again...LOL
Name: shulamite
Comment: dcdouglas, doing a photo-op in Bosnia, Ireland or South Africa doesn't qualify as international experience. And HRC is too much of a oak tree when it comes to negotiating. She doesn't budge and that was her downfall as 1st lady. On the other hand, Richardson has great experience at doing what the SOS needs to do - bringing people to the table and getting them to agree on something.
Name: Grace12_34
Comment: CRENEEJ!!! You must have heard me talking about you! Welcome back. I hope you're feeling better. I am going to put my Clintonista robes back on since the election is over. I DO cringe at the thought of Hillary being Secretary of State, but I accept and respect the President-elect's choice. This is something that was planned long ago ... Barack didn't just decide, "You know what?? I think I'm gonna nominate HRC for Secretary of State." She will be confirmed. The Clintons got their house in order before the campaign even started. I do hope Hillary can accept the position and execute her duties with grace and just do what HE wants done according to the advice he's getting. I think many of us (including me) need to separate the squabbling and backbiting we saw during the campaign from the cooperative work that actually happens in government. As of January 20, I will have my ears perked up to hear drama.
Name: FiveMore
Comment: Actually, I hope she does not find herself myseriously in the V.P.'s position because the President-elect will find himself in a tricky situation. This whole situation looks a little murky and unclear to me, as well!And, I hope I wasn't fooled by the this Change thing...hmmmm
Name: khufu
Comment: told ya....
Name: DoctorSmooth
Comment: I always liked McCain. I think he's a good man. I wouldn't mind if Obama gave him a position... maybe Sec'y of Defense, or Head of Homeland Security. I know it probably wont happen, but I'd be ok with it if it did.
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: HHCassius, strangely, the clintons aren't looking at how much of the clinton legacy has been dismantled by dubya, rather they are extremely worried about how the Obama brand will put the clinton brand in deep shadow . . . . in any case, as we see from comments on this board as well as generally in the blogosphere, Obama's actions/decisions will be minutely dissected and Monday morning quarter backed . . . . . well before the end of his first term of office, Obama will be completely gray which will be our only clue of his stress under duress
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: TGen, there's nothing to "get". I'm just going to respect his choice. Not a choice I would make, but then again I'm not President. I don't have the information he has. I understand how politics work; you must lie and mislead and misrepresent so that you don't get nailed down to anything. This is why I'm not a politician. Hillary also has her own reasons for even wanting something from some she despised so. Everyone is look at Obama, what about Hillary. How can and why would she accept ANYTHING from Obama?
Name: ss69054
Comment: DoctorSmooth: as sophia say "HELL NAW"!!! This is the same man that strongly opposed of making Dr. King's b-day a national holiday and he wanted to privatize health insurance where u pay out of your pocket and employers would not offer it. Too many red flags with this guy.
Name: FiveMore
Comment: Harris Thomas, my head would turn white too, if I had to wonder if the the dagger was comming from my inner circle, or from the extremist's camp!Et tu, Brute/Hillary?
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: And about this "change" thing; you not only voted Obama in, remember you voted Bush out. Don't forget what the election was about. We may not be what we oughta be; we may not be what we can be; but sure as hel.l. the Republicans are not running the White House and maybe we can be what we need to be as a country. Poor Obama, I have never seen a president coming into the presidency with a HONEY DO LIST that spans the entire world. Lord have mercy on this man's soul. Now after all this mess we're in, we expect one man to get it all right. SMH . . . Well, with all this critiquing and such, it's what it seems like. I think we all need to CHILLAX . ..
Name: ss69054
Comment: realuvbaby: I second that motion!!! LOL! We need to pas out some shots for the eurweb fam!!! Time to take another breather, 1,2,3!!! Obama sure didn't let the critics stress him out during his campaign and sure ain't gonna let them continue on. The babbling gets no where. They stressing their own selves out. This man has his own agenda plan and ready to execute. Like I keep saying anybody that's better than that cowboy hillbilly we got in office, I'll accept!
Name: dcdouglass01
Comment: "dcdouglas, doing a photo-op in Bosnia, Ireland or South Africa doesn't qualify as international experience... On the other hand, Richardson has great experience at doing what the SOS needs to do..." Can't argue with you, shulamite, that Richardson is a better candidate. But given that it appears he won't be nominated, for whatever reason that only Obama knows, I don't have a problem with Clinton as SOS. And I'm sure she's smart enough to quickly get on board with the president-elect's position of negotiation when it comes to Iran.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: And what experience in foreign "diplomacy" experience does Clinton has that extends beyond that of a UN Amb%*$ador or a Senator for over 2decades vs. her one term as senator? Nothing at all. It would have been virtually impossible to not have members of the last most effective democratic administration (clinton's). But you don't have to invite the gasoline to the fire and keep hope alive that the house won't burn down. I disagree w/TGEN on him possibly not being a leader w/principle. I never doubted that he was a calculating politician because I dont' think u can be effective w/out being so. What I do know is that he didn't "have" to pick her. That's the problem I have..he didn't HAVE to and that makes the move all the more political and team of rivals my azz. For the past two weeks, nothing but Clinton drama. During the primary..nothing but Clinton drama. Post-primary..Clinton drama. Before the convention..Clinto drama. They are not always to blame but they unfortunately bring drama and I'm appalled that he would invite this into his adminstration at such at high level.
Name: timmdogg
Comment: Change is truly on the horizon and I could care less if Hillary is apointed to this office. While the Clinton's were in office the country was not this dismal in financial straits and citizens losing thier homes! So, if Hillary is appointed and she carries the orderes given to her by her boss, I am totally for it! Change will not come overnight and people are going to have to give President Elect Obama the chance to get his administration up and running. I believe him and I will not lose interest because he is trying to kick-start his administration! Nothing can be worst than the administration in office now. So, people don't lose the faith yet!!! If some of you can remember your life 8 years ago before the fool in office now - then you get the picture!!!!!
Name: Bad_Kitty
Comment: musbdherbs: I agree 1000%.
Name: MzTee
Comment: On the experience tip, I wholeheartedly agree with Musb and TGen that there are other candidates who are better qualified to be SOS than Hillary; however, as realuvbaby wrote...Obama and his transition team have access to much more information than we do and I have viewed Obama to be a shrewd and intelligent man and know there has to be a reason that Obama is picking Hillary to be SOS over Richardson who was one of his most vocal supporters and whose endorsement validated Obama with many folks within the Latino community giving him that edge he needed over McCain. Not thrilled that Hillary is receiving the nod, but I truly believe that BHO knows what he's doing and there is a damn good reason that he skipped over Richardson, Kerry, or Hagel for that matter. Only time will tell, but I think we need to give the man a chance.
Name: MzTee
Comment: HT...I hope the National Security Advisor will be Susan Rice. She's one sharp sista.
Name: Southernbelle
Comment: *tapping foot* I'm still waiting to find out who's going to be the Economic person.
Name: Southernbelle
Comment: Ya'll ever the phrase keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Barack ain't crazy. He knows what he's doing.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: MzTee..whatever info Obama had that would have disqualified Richardson would have come out during the primary. IMO, this is bullshyt. Had Obama nominated Sarah Palin for Sec. of Energy or Condoleeza as head of homeland security..I doubt that many people who are "trusting" Obama's supreme wisdom would be singing the same tune. So I don't buy the whole have faith in our leader crap. I had faith that he was moving us in a different direction AWAY from the Clinton's. Obviously he has no intention on doing so.
Name: TGen
Comment: Southernbelle: "He knows what he's doing." And you know this how? He's never had a real position of leadership, never been a governor or even a mayor. Most of his accomplishments have come personally or as a part of a larger entity (state Senate, US Senate, etc.), but truth is, we really DON'T know what kind of leader he will be. All we had when he ran was his promises, and for most of us, that was enough because at least it seemed better than the alternative (a proven liar whose credentials were overrated). So more than anyone, since he's a blank slate, we're waiting to see what kind of leader he plans to be. Right now, I don't see him "leading" anything, he seems to be following the old tricks of the trade, and that's just not okay with me...
Name: ss69054
Comment: Ah boo-hoo! LMAO!
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: musb, I never equated "change we can believe in" with movement away from the clintons or movement towards the clintons . . . . . having former clinton staffers include Hillary is not necessarily movement towards the clintons which may imply that the new president will be orchestrated by Bill and Hillary . . . . . like you said, the clintons love drama and like having everything be about them [aided and abetted by MSM] but the new sheriff will put that insanity on lockdown: why [real reason] did Bill open his financial books for vetting?
Name: Grace12_34
Comment: He is trying to create jobs through www.change.gov.
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: MzTee, I also like Susan Rice for national security advisor . . . . . but we don't know why Obama is choosing to staff in the manner that he is doing thus far
Name: PgDn
Comment: Read an article in the Atlantic about why HC's presidential campaign blew apart. If it's to be believed most of the reason was because she was indecisive and and just weak and not able to govern her staffers properly. Seems she may not have even picked the right staff. This has been my exact experience with 98%of the white women I've worked with who held administrative positions. First off they got the position because of who they were related to or who they knew, even if it was demonstrated that their skills were marginal at best. They were allowed to stay in the position until their shop had to be shut down cause of poor performance which was costing the company $ or skilled people. If this thing comes to pass it's strictly a case of HC using her skin privilege. And if she gets in, she (and Bill) most certainly will manipulate the situation. She might end up getting BO out of office. Don't sleep on a vengeful Scorpio. OR... BO will have enough dirt on them (after the vetting process) to keep both their a**es on a short lease. then he can utilize her %*$ets to his best advantage. BO is smart (he seems to have emotional and intellectual intelligence) enabling him to surround himself with the right people. His choice of wife and how his campaign ran seem to be indicators of this.
Name: TGen
Comment: Yep, someone who's "indecisive, weak, not able to govern staffers properly or even pick the right staff" is a PRIME candidate to be Secretary of State, one of the most powerful jobs in the world, lol. Smh
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: PgDn, do you think that Rahm Emanuel is more beholden at this point to the clintons than to Obama? if he is not, the clintons are not going to be able to run anything: their drama will be shut down . . . . . former clintonites who went through the primary and general election with Obama know what kind of manager he is and they like him more and better than they like the clintons
Name: Southernbelle
Comment: @ TGen, I was referring to his choice to keep Hillary close not his overall agenda. I guess only time will tell on that. But, I'd trust his judgement way before I would that of McCain/Palin. So far, he's been okay by me. He spoke on the financial situation long before it became public knowledge. He was against the war when it was popular amongst the majority. He forsees the importance of going green and using technology to advance the economy while some are still lagging behind. I don't expect to agree with everthing he says but I trust that he'll do the right thing. That is, until he proves me wrong.
Name: MzTee
Comment: Musb...I don't know why Barack skipped Richardson in favor of Hillary none of us do -- we're all speculating. I simply wrote that I believe Barack has a damn good reason for not choosing him and I choose to have faith in his leadership abilities. This is NOT enough of a political guffaw for me to start doubting him. Obviously, it is for you. And my interpretation of 'change we believe in' was a move away from the tone set by the current administration NOT the Clintons.
Name: ss69054
Comment: There are going to be times when we not always agree on any moves a politician makes 100%, including their policies. That's natural. Obama isn't in office as of yet and already he is measured like as if he under a microscope. Every little turn or move! Geesh! Damn if he do, damn if he dont. Furthermore, we don't know how things are going to turn out. No he haven't led anything this big but obviously the majority vote approved him so that says something too that people were influenced to give him a chance. I am going to remain positive and motivated about his upcoming term. I want to give him a fair chance as our new leader and he does deserve that from us. Now if the Negro screws us over within a year or two then I got something to beech about but until then, criticism should be kept on hold if the results are the same as these horrible 8 years.
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: What Would The Press Do Without Clinton Rumors? ____ Hillary wants to be Obama’s Secretary of State. Hillary doesn’t know if she wants to be Secretary of State. Bill’s standing in her way. Bill’s fully cooperating. Obama’s made an offer. Obama hasn’t made an offer. The blogs think it’s a terrible idea. The blogs think it’s a great idea. ____ Just one question: Does anyone else think all this rumor-mongering is a wee bit silly? ____ What Would The Press Do Without Clinton Rumors? (Limerick) ____ By Madeleine Begun Kane ____ The press is so desp’rate for drama ____ In a White House that’s run by Obama, ____ That they eagerly tell ____ Bill and Hill tales pell-mell. ____ No Clintons? They’d run home to mama. ____ link: http://www.madkane.com/madness/2008/11/20/clinton-rumo rs/
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: MzTee..that's where I differ from many. I didn't vote for Obama because I simply wanted a change of administrations. In that case, any democrat running would've served that purpose..and served it well. All of them would have been a deviation from the Bush years. I wanted to move away from political dynasties, partisan strife and soap operas. You get all of that w/the Clintons. So when you heard complaints about about Bush/Clinton..Bush/Clinton...I co-signed that disagreement. Again, any democrat would move us away from Bush. The political tone of the country wasn't set during the past 8 years..it was the past 16.
Name: ss69054
Comment: at least those first eight years with the Clintons, the economy wasn't at the pitts of hell like now. I didn't see what was so bad about the Clinton. That is done and over so is Bush <---good riddins. Let's see what Obama can bring to the table, don't care who the hell is chosen just get the job done and get it done right!!!
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: musb, you are right about the political tone that was set for the past 16 years but I thinking about going further back to 1981 with St. Ronnie followed by Big Bush before getting to Clinton and Lil Bush
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: Redirecting The Hate ___ by digby ___ I was going to make note of this, but I see that Eric Boehlert is there ahead of me: Of course, Clinton has not been tapped for the position, but a number of pundits, in what may be a Beltway first, have wondered out loud about how Clinton would be/could be fired as Secretary of State. ___ Does that strike anybody else as odd? ___ Not me. The Clintons simply drive some people crazy. It's a clinical diagnosis. ____ I heard someone on the radio yesterday talking about it as if she should be fired for the corruption in the State Department of the past few years (Blackwater etc.) Seriously. ____ I actually think Obama may be picking her for this purpose. She can absorb all the looney criticism from the right and the Village and he can go about his business above the fray. It's actually smart to give them someone else to hate. And if the Clintons are good at anything, it's being hated and successful at the same time. Indeed, they seem to thrive on it. ____ This works out for everyone. ____ (http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/11/redirecting-ha te-by-digby-i-was-going.html)
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: while hater-ation is directed at Hillary, Obama's team will be freed up to focus on international affairs via national security and finances/economics: the most severe recession in 50 years; the worst financial and banking crisis since the Great Depression; a ballooning fiscal deficit that may be as high as a trillion dollar in 2009 and 2010; a huge current account deficit; a financial system that is in a severe crisis and where deleveraging is still occurring at a very rapid pace, thus causing a worsening of the credit crunch; a household sector where millions of households are insolvent, into negative equity territory and on the verge of losing their homes; a serious risk of deflation as the slack in goods, labor and commodity markets becomes deeper; the risk that we will end in a deflationary liquidity trap as the Fed is fast approaching the zero-bound constraint for the Fed Funds rate; the risk of a severe debt deflation as the real value of nominal liabilities will rise given price deflation while the value of financial %*$ets is still plunging. [list courtesy of Nouriel Robini]
Name: ss69054
Comment: HarrisThomas: Obama is hated as well if not more hated than the Clintons and during the hateration he is becoming more sucessful each time. Haters motivate the game even more.
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: agree, ss, I was being glib backed up by a blog article
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: however, I am certain that MSM plays up clinton drama
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: I'm with FiveMore on dis here! They must've made this choice after Obie AND "the Dem. party" needed HER people's "backing" to facilitate HIS ascension! But I still say (in slow motion?)....... Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: and I'm not alone in what I think about egg-sucking MSM . . . . . "take a good hard look at what the traditional media has done to our country? ____ As noted, we have no particular view on Hillary Clinton as Sec of State. But we do have a reaction to the pundit corps’ renewed Clinton/Gore-loathing: Things have reached the point where these sad life-forms are “objectively anti-American.” The nation is in a set of major messes; a new president is trying to pick the people he thinks will serve him best in a difficult time. But so what? Even in such a perilous time, the loonier members of the Dowd-Matthews axis can’t quit their Clinton-loathing. Nothing will keep them from this vast pleasure, the one pleasure of their sad lives. ____ It’s almost like they loathe the country itself. In the past, they’ve done astounding harm to that country through their aggressive Clinton/Gore-trashing -- especially when they worked so hard to put George Bush where he is. But even now, they refuse to abandon their childish games. Nothing will ever make them stop. They care about little else. ____ They did their very best to elect George Bush in 2000 and it took a stolen election to get it done. But then again, this is the traditional media we're talking about." ____ link: http://crooksandliars.com/
Name: sultry
Comment: Great move Barack!
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: HT...yeah I've heard the whole media conspiracy angle to people being against the Clintons. To that point, I think the public now has selective amnesia. The same amnesia they (at least loyal clinton supporters) developed during the primary. The Clinton's, as successful as they have been, have been surrounded my some sort of scandal. Deaths, pardons, shady business dealings, selling lincoln bedrooms, rose law firm, monica lewinsky etc. Drama follows them and the media can't create everything. Chris Matthews, Dowd and others didn't create those problems..the clinton's did. The Clinton's had a reputation that wasn't formed by the media..they did it to themselves. Funny that I hear people criticizing the media for being anticlinton. Yet, before Iowa, the same media had already won the race for her. That's a media problem across the board..not something specific to the clintons. If we're to buy the "media did it" argument w/the clintons..then we have to be just as objective and buy the same for bush. The media is trashing bush for no reason.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Most of all, JJ defiled his marriage and insulted his wife by having an affair. Bill clinton defiled the oval office, insulted his wife and embarassed the US in front of the whole world but getting his dk skd in the house we pay for. Which one do you believe black people are more in love w/? Well Bill Clinton of course...despite his many affairs.
Name: bigchassie
Comment: FIVEMORE/HARRISTHOMAS>well, if Obama's hair turns a silvery gray (which would probally look good) he can always get a years supply of Grecian Formula 16 and say "Reagan Sent Me" lol!
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: @musb, again, you are right about the major drama in the clintons' lives without any assistance from MSM, but MSM does not dog out the repugs in the same manner . . . . when Rather was investigating dubya's AWOL military record and suspected drug use, he got fired and the investigation was shut down . . . . . @chassie, yesterday, a woman told me that O-man was probably already dying his hair and is starting let the dye fade away, LOL: the gray is the Nelson Mandela look that does not need to channel St. Ronnie
Name: HarrisThomas
Comment: one more @musb, did alla us luv Bubba or is that a clinton myth? I was a distant OK, not in luv: that 1st black president title always pizzed me off . . . . somma us should hand in our black cards and we should not give the black card gratutiously to white people, uh, uh, nope!
Name: naturalsista
Comment: ditto HarrisThomas. peace
Name: realuvbaby
Comment: The Clintons are very toxic, to be sure, but the way the political game there is no way any Democratic president would be able to ignore the Clinton legacy. Perhaps at the time it was more romanticized, but it stuck and I believe Mr. Obama is being made hostage of the Clintos because Hillary was the presumptive President and neither Bill, Hillary or her supporters will let Barack forget that. So throw her a bone; give her what she wants and let's get moving with getting this country back into shape. When it does come back, it will be a collective effort, not just the efforts of one man, one party, one gender, one race. America was made great by contributions of people of every race, creed, and econonic status. We seem to want him to do things we've never asked others to do. There is a sitting president don't forget and Mr. Obama is trying to get his cabinet into place so he can hit the ground running. I am sure with the confirmation hearings, etc., if Mr. Obama has made any mistakes, he is intelligent and wise enough to correct them. So he didn't make the choice you would have, but then again, Mr. Obama is poised to be president and not us. Our parents made some very difficult decisions for us and they didn't get it all right, either. But one thing for sure, they had our best interests at heart and I think that Mr. Obama wants whats best for every American and I say give the man room. He has to grow into this position. When he gets it right, then he'll get the credit; when he gets it right, I know he will take the blame. GOBAMA. He's surrounding himself with smart people, some smarter than himself and that is surely the sign of a great leader. Who else is he supposed to pick for his cabinet? His friends and cronies like Baby Bush did?
Name: khanman
Comment: He's approaching his cabinet just like he ran his campaign with precision and a particular strategy in mind. He is wise to choose experienced players as they will be prepared on day one to execute his vision and strategy to move this jacked up country back in the right direction.
Name: Taurusingr
Comment: After furrrrther observation of these selections for his cabinet, I understand & agree with the "strategy"....it's better to have these former enemies (Lieberman & Clinton) "pissing OUT from inside the tent, than OUTside pissing "in"!) I just hope Obie has somebody watchin DEY as-ses! One!
Name: Beezyuu
Comment: I think Obama made a smart choice. Hillary will be great for the job.
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