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realuvbaby
Comment: Alright Chi-Town, y'all got world power on lock! Home of two most powerful people in the world. Who else are you home growing for greatness out there? What other great things can we expect from Chi-Town?
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TGen
Comment: I'm not terribly excited about the new pres-elect anymore, but I have to admit, I am still kinda pumped about going to DC for the Inauguration. I just hope the crowd is not too overwhelming! *Making note to check Oprah's website for possible tickets to her DC show*
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ....It's gonna be a Harpo production...That white dude is gonna design and furnish the set...The other white dude is gonna prepare the food...Gail is gonna be running 'round getting sh1t for folks...O's gonna have a bag of Obama gifts to give to the audience...
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DCGG
Comment: Everybody in DC gonna miss the inguguration and Okrah cause they gonna be tooo fuvked up from the bars being open all night!!! HAYYYYYY!!!!
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ss69054
Comment: I know definitely the Black Star Power will show up in droves. I wish I could be a fly on the wall to see who all will be there at the exclusive parties. TGen: why even bother to go to DC with those ill-feelings? Stay at home and watch it on tv and let others enjoy the festivities.
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TGen
Comment: SS69054, it's not that simple. I'm not going alone, people are counting on me to go, esp since I'm the one who got THEM hyped up! lol They're disappointed with me now that I've grown more negative towards the pres-elect, but I've assured them I will enjoy myself come January regardless. So yes, I'm a mixed bag right now, I admit. I don't think there's anyone anywhere with more ambivalence going on on the inside than me, lol. Oh well...
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MOTHERSHIP
Comment: The Ancestors are a shoutin'. We built D.C and the white house, including the dome, so it's gonna be some serious spiritual happenings that whole week!
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PgDn
Comment: T-Gren,
I'll be going to DC also (extremely excited to go!) and while I'm in awe of the historic nature of Obama's election I've realized throughout the process that the bottom line is... politicians are politicians and they do what they need to to get elected. It's all cyclic in nature. Dems now, Repubs later and if at some point the powers that be think an Independent or Green Party or woman needs to be in place as president to keep the Republic going then that will happen too.
Your ambivalence in not unique! But keep hope alive! :)
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MOTHERSHIP
Comment: TGen, the brother ain't even in office yet! Give him a chance. What'd he do to ya anyway??
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TGen
Comment: Mothership, he didn't "do" anything to me yet. I just thought he would be one way and his first decisions as president show he's another way, that's all. Like PgDn correctly posits, "politicans will be politicians," that's just a hard lesson I'm having to accept. *sigh*
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musbdherbs
Comment: Oh well..now I'm just happy that a highly intelligent, devoted husband/father, charismatic, black male democrat won the presidency. Give her SoS and still help pay off her debt. SHMDH. He wants us to give our left nuts too all for the sake of unity?
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...TGen-let the brotha be his way...He can't be everybody's way...He can be some of the ways we want him to be...Personally, I never thought he'd be my way, all the way...We need to allow him to go his way...We have to meet him half the way...We need to keep out of his way for the time being but we can't let him get too far out of the way...*sigh...He's gotta go the way of the politicians...That's the way he took to the White House...As he makes his way...We need to make sure he knows about our ways....My way may not be your way....*sigh, some muthafuccers just gotta get outta the dayum way...I'd be happy if he can make some head-way...Bush and 'nem have fucced up the way so much that he has to go so far out of the way just to, to..."Lawd, help the brotha find a way"....
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queeniebunz
Comment: >T-gen - Jeez. Give the man a chance. There was a white female on MSNBC a bit ago who said she wasn't thrilled with Obama's choice of Hillary for the position of Sec of State. But then she said, but I trust his judgment. Me, I'm not crazy about it, either. BUT I believe he is very strategic in all he does so there must be many reasons why he chose her. I can think of a few for why I would in the same position. Look at it this way - if she falls flat on her face because she bucks his orders and he's right and things blow up, she won't be any competition in 2012. Sure, he'll get some blame for choosing her but she'll get slammed for bucking him and her political career will fall in the toilet. And this way he can keep an eye on her and Bill as he should. I think she's competent for the position but I don't believe she has the international experience or knowledge that someone like Joe Biden does. I really don't know who else there is but in the scheme of things I think there are valid reasons for this choice to be okay. Other than that, what other choices did you disagree with - a-ssuming Hillary is one of the reasons you aren't pleased. I'm just curious. As for me, I'm still blown that we have a black president-elect and that he's fantastic all around as musb said. As for the inauguration, well, I have plans to go to it. I've registered as a volunteer and I'm requested tickets from my senator and my congressman. I'm excited. Going to all that other stuff - I may try but the main thing for me is that I think he's hope for this country. To be disappointed and he hasn't even moved in - I don't get that except that you have been very critical all along. Why so down?
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queeniebunz
Comment: >Boot - you's a fool! Always and every time and we all love you for it!!! LOL
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TGen
Comment: Queenie, no I have NOT been critical all along. I have been critical sometimes but only because I wanted him to win so badly. Now that he has, I have the right to express reservation about his choices. This idea that I should just "trust him" is the same ish Republicans used to say about George Bush lying people into war, "he knows more than us, he has more intelligence, trust him." So yeah, you can see how far that "just trust him" ish gets with me, lol. But again, I'm hyped about going to see history first-hand. Nothing the pres-elect can do from now til then will dampen that.
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musbdherbs
Comment: QB...the problem is that him being black w/all the accoutrements is now 80% of the reason I'm happy he won. Like TGEN, I'm also learning this hard lesson. I'm not fully trusting his judgment. He's shown that he is exactly what Rev. Wright said he was...a politician..lol..some'n he tried to act as if he was not.
Trust him? Would we trust him if he decided to put Cheney as Defense Secretary? Nope, we're only "trusting" him because he and his choices have been democrat. That's all..not much more than that.
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Grace12_34
Comment: All politicans ultimately %*$! IN THE SAME POT. HRC received the consolation prize. Had SHE been nominated and won, then BARACK would've received the consolation prize. I believe that was decided within the Party from the outset.
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Grace12_34
Comment: Ok ... that should be P.ISS IN THE SAME POT.
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LazySusan
Comment: For people to NOW understand that President Elect Obama is a politician is...well...pathetic. I'll excuse younger people for being disappointed in some of the decisions he's made before he can legally take office, because they wouldn't know any better. But anyone 30 and over should have gotten a clue years ago. My main gripe is this: common sense should tell people that Barack Obama could not have gotten where he is today, in such a short time, if he wasn't just a slight bit shady. Like politicians are. And no, I'm not happy about Billary being Secretary of State, a job that by rights should have went to Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico. But you know what? Whenever I doubt Barack Obama I end up feeling like a complete fool. The man is three steps ahead of everyone. So while I think he could've chosen better in some cases, I know it will work out in the end. And this is not the usual presidency. President Elect Obama has to be ready on Day One to begin turning things around. Unfortunately, many of those people that know how get things moving, are either Clinton people or daymned near right wingers. At this point I only want two things: for this economy to begin turning around and for Barack Obama not to mess up. So if I have to suffer through a few scum-bag Clintonite appointments to make that happen, so be it.
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queeniebunz
Comment: So let me understand this - y'all are disappointed that a politician turned out to be a politician? And you are bringing up an ego-maniac like Wright who should have sat his happy azz down in the corner with Jesse? Are you serious? I find the clip of his preaching to be questionable as well. I don't believe ANY man of the cloth should pop off the mouth and say "God d*mn America" IN ANY CONTEXT so I'd rather forget Wright even exists. And, aside from that, I think Wright showed his azz by having freakin' press conferences to down Obama instead of stepping out of the light and letting it alone. That showed where he's coming from. It was childish and ignorant.
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queeniebunz
Comment: (cont.) But aside from that, anybody and everybody in politics has to compromise and to an extent they have to attempt to cater to everyone they can to get the votes they need. Let's be real. Y'all didn't just crawl out the cabbage patch. I'm not patronizing you and telling you anything you don't already know. He can only do so much. Checks and balances alone tie his hands to an extent. Sure, he has a Congress that could potentially be in his corner but not if he screws it up and we end up in a 1994 situation. I am not sure you are looking at the big picture, at least not the one I'm looking at. His cabinet is multicultural. And since he tended to avoid race as much as possible in his campaigning, I don't even remember him specifically saying he'd do that, but correct me if I'm wrong. (I didn't hear/read everything - a lot but not everything.) He has included "both sides of the aisles" as he promised. When you do that, and you fail the Dems don't get the blame for everything. When you have Dems and Repubs in your cabinet and in your corner so to speak, it can be said "well, people in your party helped me make such-n-such decision" if the outcome isn't so good and Repubs try to slam him. All that said, again, I tend to want to give him a chance and see how is "Lincoln-style" cabinet works before I pass judgment. One thing about I don't know if y'all factor into this is that his leadership in using the council of his advisors and in directing the actions of his cabinet will be key. Everyone knew GW Bush stole that election. The majority of people did not trust anything Bush said at all, especially when it was clearly in our face in report after report that they found no "WMDs". Even their own people like Powell bailed on them so to bring anything about the war as an example doesn't make sense to me. I guess I want to see how he manages this. He IS a politician. He does think things through fully before he makes a decision. I don't know if people in general fully understand how brilliant Obama is. And, if you want to judge him by his decision-making, look at the campaign he ran. It was methodical, strategic and it had people scratching their heads, including people on this board but he crushed McCain in this election. How did he do that? His decision-making and the counsel from those around him, that's how. He didn't squeak by. We didn't need a recount. He CRUSHED him. You don't do that by being stupid or making decisions you don't think through fully. So as I said, I think we should look at his decision-making until now and how effective it was and his accomplishments thus far before we pass such harsh judgment on him. That's all I'm saying. People are acting like he's already the president and he hasn't even measured all the curtains yet or planned the murals on the children's walls. Dang.
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musbdherbs
Comment: QB..uhm..thanks. Me needing to be "sold" on Obama? You can't be serious. It bears repeating that I was one of the few on this board who was w/Obama from day one. So uhm...yeah. I was dissappointed in his flippant press conf brushing off reporters questioning him about his words. I'm disappointed that he apparently was willing to say nething to get elected (since he didn't believe what he said about Hillary and it was all in the name of campaigning). I'm dissappointed that he would invite the Clinton train wreck back from the 90's. Most of all I'm disappointed that she was right all along..Obama NEEDED her to govern. He wouldn't be able to w/out her wealth of experience. I had no doubts that he was a politician..I just hoped he was truly the one he portrayed during the campaign. I've always cared very little about the Lincoln cabinet thing. IMO, it's more of a statement than true relevance neway.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Lazy..so disappointed has an age limit? Didn't realize that. I will more than likely continue to doubt Obama...and won't feel like a fool about it.. I don't even know the dude.
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queeniebunz
Comment: >Musb - and anyone else. Please help me with this. Please. Exactly why do people keep referring to the Clinton years as this horrible time? The country was in the best shape it had been in for decades - economically, internationally and socially. Was I living in a different U.S. than y'all?
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...I thought this was a Oprah story...HTH we'd get into an Obama losing his way story?...
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TGen
Comment: LazySusan, you're right in that compromise is how things get done, but you're wrong in azzuming Obama "had" to compromise with his appointments, esp the major ones. As you state and most everyone knows, Bill Richardson should have been a shoe-in for that SoS position, or at the very least someone who didn't directly contradict Obama's MAIN campaign issue! Personally, I would feel foolish to appoint someone in charge of something I railed on them about for over a year. He belittled the lady's foreign policy experience and her "judgement" on Iraq, then turns around and basically rewards her with a position in charge of just that. It makes no sense! That is, unless there was some kind of deal that went down pre-election, which is looking more and more the case. But I'm with Musb, in no way do I feel or will I ever feel "foolish" about questioning something he does. Queenie, I disagree with Musb's negative characterization of the Clinton years, I thought they were successful, at least in terms of economics. I don't mind Obama wanting to bring in some of the people from that era (but some new blood would be mighty nice). But that said, Obama did go out of his way to talk about how he wanted to change the "culture" of Washington and very much included the Bill Clinton posse in that. He made it seem as if he was "above it all,"yet his actions thus far make him seem like a follower instead of leader, of all that ish he claimed to want to change. Looks like in reality he admired Bill Clinton more than anyone! lol
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MsFresno
Comment: amen Queenie, i recall this country ran pretty well during the clinton times. So i necessarily dont like Hillary but I dont have a problem with Barack's choices, I think he knows what he is doing.
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bigchassie
Comment: BOOT>THANKYOU MY BROTHA!! THAT IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE ALL THE WAY!!!!
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bigchassie
Comment: QUEENIE>yeah, ditto on that one too! shoot! i'm ready to par-tay!! DCGG>COME ON CHILE LET'S PARTY RIGHT NOW!!!!*pulls out bottles of sip-sip*
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musbdherbs
Comment: Yep, the economy was sound. We weren't in war. So as long as we eat gud..we should remember the good times? Oh ok. I look at the Clinton years in the same way many blacks looks at Sharpton/Jackson. They are in it for themselves and drama is always a corner away. If the country felt so great about the Clinton years, then why was more than half of it against electing the person who would take us back there? Since she's the reincarnation of everything so great about the 90's, why didn't we choose her but instead Obama. Black folk hate on Al and Jessie to this day for their "all about me" style of politics. Yet, I'm supposed to feel warm and fuzzy over the tenure of one of the worst adulterers known to public office and his wife who have both been linked to more corruption than Jessie or Al ever could? Uhmmmm..oh ok..yeah right. I'll pa.ss on celebrating the Clintons. Well ClintoN really since only one held office at the time.
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realuvbaby
Comment: Nobody's perfect and he's not going to get everything right. I
pray daily that Obama gets the wisdom and support he needs to be a good president and turn this country around because, aside from being a politician, I truly believe he has Americans' best interests at heart. He didn't invent the rules of the game, he just has to play by them. I am sure that during those presidential briefings, he got a dose of reality and found that perhaps he may not be able to deliver on the promises he made because of what he knows NOW. While I respect your feelings TGen, I do pray that others don't feel as you do, and continue to give him the love and support he thought he had during the campaign. We voted him in because we trusted him to do the job, the least we can do is give him an opportunity to be President before we start deserting him or giving up on him. I respect Mr. Obama for his accomplishments and know that he's not a magician nor is he God. He's just a man with extraordinary talent, about to take on the toughest job in the history of the world, when the world is at it's worst shape than it's been in a long time. Even though we may not agree with his decisions, let's continue to support him. We just can't leave the brotha out there like that.
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queeniebunz
Comment: You're trippin off adultery? And you think Bill is the worst one? JFK comes to mind. He had his secret service men rush a woman out the room right before jackie walked in. He was in more p*ssy than a gynecologist's finger. Even crippled-azzed Roosevelt had a chick on the side...you're kidding, right?
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queeniebunz
Comment: there have been documentaries and books about all the chicks on the side of the presidents...come on. That is not my business. All I want from him is a good economy where I can get a home, car, job, education. I got all of those under Clinton so I'm good with him. Would I date him? Don't think so. Would I recommend him to date my ma? Nope. Would I have voted for him if he could've had a 3rd term - yes. And regarding Al Gore. He just wasn't it. He wasn't and if you ask me, I don't think he even wanted to be president. I really don't. I think he did it because it was expected of him.
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bigchassie
Comment: QUEENIE>ooh you got that right! remember JFK and Maryiln Monroe?? REALUV>YEAH! AND DOUBLE DITTO ON THAT ONE TOO! have a drink of sip-sip!
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bigchassie
Comment: QUEENIEBUNZ>whoa!! Roosevelt had a chick on the side??? whaaaat? lol! dang!
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realuvbaby
Comment: Any Democrat would have inherited the Clinton baggage because he was such a popular president and the last Democratic president. Clinton's supporters? Have you forgotten how tenacious they are? They would not settle for anything less. He always said he would find a way to work with his Hillary. I believe so many factors came into play, and it's so hard for us to really know, sitting here behind these boards what drove him to make certain decisions. And he certainly cannot spill it all in press conferences. It's the game. And unfortunately, the Clintons have been playing it longer than Mr. Obama. And Mr. Obama is getting high marks from both parties for what he has done so far, has made no major blunders and is setting himself up to take office from Day One . . . TGen, I hope you enjoy yourself. Be safe and hopefully, Mr. Obama can turn that ambivalence you have about him around . . . But if it doesn't, that's ok, too.
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bigchassie
Comment: QUEENIE>yeah i agree. Gore was kind of weak. and every time i see him i can't help but think about that SouthPark episode of him talking about "MANBEARPIG' LOL!
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musbdherbs
Comment: Qb..if you read i said "one" of the worst ones and if JFK is the only other one you're able to name then yes, that puts him in the worsts category. Am I tripping off of adultery? Do black folk trip off of Jackson's adultery? Well there's your answer. So now adultery and womanizing is excused? Damn, well let me call Kweisi Mfume then cuz folks in MD said that was part of what disqualified him to be senator...his womanizing. BTW, what were the congressional/senate seats gained during the Clinton years? Oh wait, that brought us the Delay/Gingrich era didn't it?
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musbdherbs
Comment: i never got the fulls grasp of black folks love fest w/the clinton's until his impeachment hearings for lying under the oath about whether he got some slo neck in the yt house.
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queeniebunz
Comment: >bigchassie - yes he did and it hurt Eleanor deeply, as I read it. How do I know? I'm a historian, taught it, love it. I love the juicy history more than anything - crime/corruption/sex/scandal = love it! Did ya know there were women in the 1700s that complained to their friends and in their diaries that they weren't having orgasms and it p*ssed them off? I read a few passages from diaries that read like Cosmo. And did you know that Puritans shacked up before they got married and it was okay with the community because if they were betrothed it was just a matter of waiting for the preacher coming to town and sealing the deal they let them do the do? I know all the juicy stuff from Medieval times to the present because that's the fun stuff! LOL
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...So, er-a are ya'll implying that Hilary and Bill really won the election?...Not all of ya but some of ya?....Is that what you're saying?...Give it to a brotha straight...Dayum, is Hilary gonna be Rak's Cheney?...Doncha be tryna tell me that sh1t....Puleeze don't say that Rak is gonna be like that lil Blackman holding the lantern on the White House lawn while Hil and Bill run sh1t...
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queeniebunz
Comment: >Musb - Nobody likes the scandal. And it upset me that he did it and it upset me that it made it bad for Gore or any other Dem running despite the good situation the U.S. was in. As for "one of the worst" well, there were more presidents with chicks on the side than those without. You name one and do some homework and you can find a jump off he was banging. Again, I've seen documentaries with with documented proof of the affairs. As for Jesse - well, he's a minister and despite the whole "ministers are human too" crap, people do hold them to a higher standard. And there's more but that's a whole other conversation about Jesse. Even MLK had chicks on the side to the point of the FBI sending Coretta pictures in the hopes of shutting him down with scandal. But to get back on the topic of the Clinton administration, you mention the 1994 election disaster. Well, that was a valuable lesson that I'm sure Obama doesn't want to repeat...
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queeniebunz
Comment: >Boot - again - you's a fool, ya he'ah me, a fool! Hahahahahahahaha!!!
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musbdherbs
Comment: QB...lol..we do like scandal..u must admit it. We only approved certain scandals from certain folks though. I don't know as much about the history of adultery in the yt house. What i do know is that there's only one name that comes to mind re: those ex-pres who lied under oath and got his dk skd in the yt house. Bill Clinton will forever be remembered by it. We differ bcz I hold the POTUS (someone responsible for the nations safety and our standing in the world) to a much higher standard than that of a pastor (responsible for his/her congregation and immediate community). Yep..I'm talking about 1994 when our great president lost both houses.
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queeniebunz
Comment: >Musb - Here's the way I look at it. I'm not going to go to an accountant who fails a government audit or an investment counselor who just declared bankruptcy. I'm going to transfer my child out of the class of an English teacher who sends me a note misspelled and written in broken English. By the same token, I'm not going to sit in the church of a man with 5 babymamas sitting in the first row and his wife in the balcony. In other words, the Bible/religion is the job of a minister just as crunching numbers is to an accountant. I expect the minister to closely follow the rules he/she teaches just as I expect an accountant to follow the rules of his/her profession. A politician has no such rules regarding morality, per se. Now the lying under oath - yeah, that's where the Repubs had him by the same balls Monica evidently enjoyed so much but adultery, nah. Historically, it's not a no-no in the "How to be a president" handbook. And I'll go on to say that I have never trusted a minister who goes into politics. The two are an oxymoron. A politician has to lie - you have to tell people you'll do stuff you don't know you can do to get elected = a lie. And, you have to cater to worldly things that opposed the Bible. So, there is my rationale. Go ahead and tear into it. LOL
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musbdherbs
Comment: I get your point and it's a gud one. I still hold a POTUS to a higher standard. There are issues of morality that can (or at least try) kick you out of congress. See any of the recent sex scandals and what happened to those in question. The POTUS swears to uphold the office of the presidency. If we tried to hold bush accountable for any and everything single thing...we should offer the same for a democratic president..namely Clinton. I am less affected by a minister (at some church I'll never attend) having sex w/the church secretary and having a child by another than I am by POTUS (who is supposed to rep me and my interests). Those two are quite different. Obama's decisions have disappointed me to the point that I'm no longer a democrat.
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queeniebunz
Comment: >Musb - Wow. It's really that crucial to you? Well, don't dispair. There's hope for you still. Perhaps since you're a Republican now (presumably), he'll reach across the aisle and hire you for his cabinet. ;)
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musbdherbs
Comment: lol..yep it is. Most of us were born into the democratic party neway. I decided to be more judicious about party affiliation after seeing how both parties behaved so badly during the election. Obama's recent moves sealed the deal. I'm still happy he won though. I'm sure if he thought there was a political benefit to having me on his cabinet...i'm sure I would be..lol
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TMan
Comment: Like all Inaugural Balls, there are always numerous official ones going on all night. Unofficial too! ;) Either Oprah will be at the main official one, or she will have one she is doing for him , trussst!
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bigchassie
Comment: QUEENIE>OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH.....
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Name:
Jack_Blackmusic
Comment: Dear Queenie why are you so hard on Rev. Dr. Wright?. [ No need to repost (The comment was almost 50 replies back anyway).] The controversy concerning what he said or what he was supposed to have said wasn't even brought up by Dr. Wright, but by the HRC and McCain camps after "somebody" posted clips (severely edited btw) of a series of speeches.
Additionally are there any of y'all intending to attend the main inaugural ball?. I happen to have an "in", but I really do not want to attend myself; because of my work/time schedule. The whole event sounds like it will be crazy crowded.
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