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infofan1960
Comment: The pastor is extremely brave to have written this. Unfortunately, spiritually blind people will call him narrow minded and a basher for his beliefs. However, the Bible does say that people will not want to endure sound doctrine. Like it or not, GOD DOES NOT APPROVE OF HOMOSEXUALITY. Jesus can deliver anyone from any sin, including this. It is a spirit of perversion. God will reveal anyone who asks Him the truth. Don't get angry , just seek God and His truth.
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McNasty
Comment: 'However, I have an issue when anyone tries to rewrite the Bible and change the mind of God by saying that God is not opposed to same sex marriages.' You know it's wrong when you either totally misconstrue or intentionally reword a document to get it to say what you need to justify a lifestyle. Infofan I so totally agree! I am glad too that if they're still confused the pastor made it so there is no way they can misunderstand. Do you but don't drag the bible into it cause in print its telling you just how wrong it is. I think too that he was prolly just tired of what he was hearing from some of his gay parishoners - brave? I think more like timely!
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NOTESINGER
Comment: Infofan and McNasty:I agree with both of you. I'm also glad that this pastor chose to speak out on this article. I get Newsweek, and sometimes I really wonder WHY there are certain writings in this "news" magazine. As you said, infofan: Like it or not, homosexuality is NOT on God's list of approved activities!
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mandinka_99
Comment: Insofar as the Bible's scriptural and moral condemnation against homosexuality, I don't have a problem with. I do take issue with Christians who willfully have a moral blind spot to the legal unfairness and injustices against gays and lesbians codefied in secular law. I don't expect many people to "get" where I'm coming from. From what I've observed, a lot of Christians are willing to support, endorse and enact laws that treat gays and lesbians unfairly because as (hetereosexual) Christians they "feel" they are standing on an higher moral ground and principle when they do so. The questions I often pose (to Christians ... and I am one) are: since homosexuality is a sin and a moral abomination ... and as a Christian you can support no (secular) law endorsing or encouraging homosexuality ... based on that same moral principle ... would you be in favor of reinstating all the (secular) laws on the books that criminalize adultery, fornication and sodomy? Based on the same moral principle, would you support and endorse those laws evenwhen it is apparent that adulterers, fornicators and sodomizers are treated unequally and differently from people who do not commit those crimes/sins.
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iknowtheplans
Comment: What do laws against heterosexual deviances i.e. adultery, fornication, sodomy, have to do with gays not having the right to marry? I don't care, put the laws on the books. I'm a Christian and don't believe in gays having the right to marry or their legal justifications; there are enough laws to cover them as human beings. If a gay person places in their will a that their gay partner is entitled to everything, then they can do it. The problem is gays always want special rights and rules that apply only to them and they LOVE likening their "struggle" to the civil rights movement. STOP IT!! You have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, just like the rest of us. If marrying is what makes you happy, then you can go to another country and make that happen, just pursue it. Black people were treated as less than human, and I understand gays have been discriminated against but PLEASE don't go there with the juxtaposition of our "plights."
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McNasty
Comment: Mandinka all those that you list - God deals with. We are told to lead moral lives but He mete's out the punishment if we don't. I don't claim to be a christian nor do I lay claim to christianity - I do follow the teachings in the bible and NONE of us has the right to reword what was divinely inspired, we don't have the right nor the authority to overrule it either. The fact of the matter is we don't even have a LEGAL right to say yay or nay because that is the same as disregarding what God has already said. I'm sorry if they can't get married and share insurance but some things just weren't meant to be. Would that they could do it without asking me - I say go the hell ahead I have to answer for my own sins.
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McNasty
Comment: Besides that the laws criminalizing sodomy, adultry and fornication are still on a lot of books - fornication is the only one that isn't enforced but every time there is some kind of rape - there's sodomy taking yet another beating. We don't hear too much about adultry but there are cases where wives have pres.sed the issue and named the other woman corespondent.
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mandinka_99
Comment: McNasty ... you may feel you don't have the "legal" to say "yea" or "nay" but there are a whole lot of Christians who do ... particularly the ones who supported Proposition 8 in California and Amendment 2 in Florida. On one hand, people want to make moral arguments based upon Biblical scripture as to why gays and lesbians are LESS DESERVING ... LESS ENTITLED of certain aspects of life based upon them being on the wrong side of a moral fence. At the same time these very same people are being either unintentionally or willfully ignorant when the same scriptures that REQUIRE them to uphold justice and fairness for EVERYONE ... including gays and lesbians. But the part that few people don't want to talk about out loud is that most of us see gays and lesbians as being SO DIFFERENT ... SO ALIEN ... SO UNNATURAL ... that to treat them as equals in any shape form or fashion is tantamount to endorsing and approving their behavior ... choice ... lifestyle ... deviancy ... (whatever whatever you want to call it). I'll go so far as to say that too many of us heterosexuals take so many things for granted we can't relate to people who are different; thereby justifiying their unjust and unfair treatment.
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mandinka_99
Comment: Re: laws on the books regarding, adultery, sodomy and fornication. Most of those laws get challemged in court or taken off the books ... especially when it affects heterosexual people. If those laws were enforced 90% of (us) straight people will be adversely affected sooner or later. A lot of hetereosexuals are ok with those laws ... and think they are on the "right" side of the moral fence for doing so ... as long as they think they are aimed at people who they perceive to be "not one of us" ... i.e. gays & lesbians
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McNasty
Comment: Mandinka I don't 'feel' one way or the other but I know I'm not going to circumvent Gods laws to appease any one. I can't go over and above what He said because certain aspects of life aren't equal. The bible wasn't written to later be re written and taken seriously. Its a book with rules for every nook and cranny for all our lives so if gays and lesbians can find another way its my suggestion that they do so cause as long as there are those that see homosexuality as alien and unnatural (and they will be here as long as gays and lesbians, trust and believe) there will forever be controversy when it comes to what they want. We would have to go back to the beginning, the very beginning to change what was written and then there is still no guarantee because the definition of marriage is now and will always be 'between a man and a woman'.
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ec615
Comment: <p>if this HOLY sacrament is so ENDEARING to Christians. I have one big question</p>
<p>WHY IN THE HELL NONE OF YOU CAN HONOR GOD'S GIFT OF MARRIAGE AND STAY MARRIED???</p>
<p>there’s a whole lot of Pastors that are divorced and re-married. Have children out of wedlock and adulterers and so forth and so on.</p>
<p>obviously the folks crying low and sparing a lot. One thing some of you biased Christians needs to understand. All the time when it comes to Gay you all are quick to point out "ABOMINATION" it's just another way of saying SIN.<p>
>p>AND ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS IS SIN! So you need to stop looking for an excuse to go after Gays and worry about the church because there is so much SIN in the church. But everybody is use to HOOPING AND HOLLARIN' all day Sunday as a ritual and no one lives the life as an example and I'm more than sure of many of you will be beat with a many of stripes. I'm more than sure a soul bound by homosexuality has come to Gods house for healing and understanding and all they probably got was being mistreated and taunted. And that soul got turned away YOU WILL PAY FOR THAT!</p>
<p>Maybe if some of you would live the life maybe we can see the many GOOD works and not the many PHONY ATTRIBUTES of Sunday morning performances!</P>
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adifferentpath
Comment: ...it is HOTT up in heya...
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jboy
Comment: I don't care one way or the other, but to y'all that are advocating we all live strictly by the rules laid out in the bible, I'm glad you're here. Perhaps you can help me out with a few moral dilemas I'm having: (1)a neighbor wears clothes made of wool & cotton blends. Should I rebuke him? (2)His son is always sassying him and being rebellious. If we take him outside the city walls (limits) to stone him to death, do I HAVE to use stones or are bricks OK? (3) a girl was raped the other day. She claimed she hollered for help & carried on, but nobody heard her. When we stone her, once again, are bricks OK? Y'all get my sarcastic point right? If we have to start living strictly by ALL of the Bibles rules we're ALL gonna be in trouble. I say live & let live, d@mmit!
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BlackEye
Comment: It was wrong and nasty when God intentionally killed it off in Sodom and Gomarrah and it's wrong and nasty today. Jesus says repeatedly that He agrees with everything the father says.
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allaboutlydia
Comment: jboy & mandika - you are both speaking of Old Testament covenants. We are now under the New Covenant (New Testament). Under the New Covenant there are no stonings, etc for punishment. However the New Testament DOES continue to speak against homosexuality AND fornication. So it is not us mortals who will punish the unrepentant fornicators and homosexuals but God. It is not our place to punish anyone.. only God's. But I will not condone homosexuality. I did vote for Prop 8 and am proud of it.
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