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realuvbaby
Comment: Well the system is not perfect and the Constitution has always been subject to "interpretation" but both sides may have found that their positions are legal. Everyone is citing the Constitution, but Blago wasn't thinking of the Constitution or any oath he took as Governor when he had those conversations. I still say that there was no way out of this for the Democrats. The whole thing is tainted. It was tainted from jump street. But I don't place the blame on the Democrats. They stated their position. I feel that as a member of the party, all candidates should have deferred to party leadership. Party leadership said "this man's actions have been questionable and he knows he's been caught; we are trying to get rid of him, but we need to have that seat filled. However, until we get through this, we will not accept ANYONE appointed by this man. Now, Blago is a member of the party. Why did he not listen or respect the decision of the party after he was caught. I know why: WRONG & STRONG. Now on to Burris. He was aware of the same information. Yet he CHOSE to step in, for what seems like his own political gain -- I'm sorry because the people of Chicago need to be represented. He was told the day before not to come, but he came. When does respect for party leadership come into play.
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realuvbaby
Comment: Burris is like that defiant child that is told "don 't do this or else there will be consequences." He knew what those consequences where, yet he still CHOSE to take Blago up on his appointment. Where was Burris when this first started. I'm sure he was not on Blago's list. Blago has played everyone, now he's on the sidelines laughing his a.s.s off. It's the image. All those white men holding up the old black man at the door and stopping the old black man who trekked down in the cold and only to have the door slapped on his face. What did he think would happen? Did he think party leadership was lying? How would have looked if they had let him after the world was told that the Dems would not respect any choice Blago made?
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realuvbaby
Comment: Blago must go. He thumbed his nose at party leadership to even go there with the seat in the first place. He refuses to resign even though he was caught in a compromising position. He is totally lawless, acting as if it's business as usual when in actuality it's not. Now, of course, the legal thing to do is to seat Burris. I've always believed that in the absence of morals and ethics, you must defer to the law. Since business has to go on, and every day this matter is unresolved it's another death nail for the Dems. It's looking bad for the Obama Administration coming in. But I say, clearly, the blame falls on Blago. He is totally to blame for this. To anyone who would say that what the Senators did was not "legal" but what Blago did was "legal", I mean, he's still the goveror, yada, yada. Slavery was legal, too under the Constitution. But was it right? At the end of the day, not only to do politicians have a legal obligation to their constituents. They have a moral and obligation as well. And it goes hand in hand. There was no answer on how to deal with someone attempting to sell a Senate seat. This is a first. Each side has "interpreted" the Constitution to fit what suits their agenda. Both of them acted legally, but Blago acted irresponsibly and should be dealt with with a beatdown of the highest order. The Senate seat may be lost to Democrats because of him, but his az.z. need to be tarred and feathered and run out of the Chicago because of his irresponsibility and the drama he has created for his party. He was not looking out for the party at all. Both he and Burris.
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realuvbaby
Comment: So, in my final comments, Blago should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law with no deals offered. I hope the government is up on their game to get this mofo. Burris, as a seasoned politician took a gamble and lost. He went into it with his eyes wide open, so while he's old and it's cold, etc., I don't feel sorry for him at all. He knew what he was up against. His actions were noble and all, but he defied party leadership and got just what he was told he would get. This was not about Burris, it was about ANYONE the Governor would have the bal.l.s to appoint. One thing we do know is that Blago got balls, but Burris should have never allowed himself to be the one. Why did he take the bait and no one else. In the end, this will blow up in Blago's face. By the sheer embarrassment of it all, I believe Burris will ultimately be seated, but that perceived to be gangsta move by Blago is the issue here. Blago played the race card Burris was how he played his hand. Burris knew going in what could happen and he went anyway. Like the child who has been told, don't play with fire, or else you'll get burned. So what does the child do? He gets a book a matches, starts a fire anyway, not heeding what he was told and got burnt. Feel sorry for him? No. He's a big boy who knew yet he went anyway. Too bad for him. Blago has had the greatest laugh on black folk, even though there is a black president, still knocking to get in, and still getting doors closed in their faces. It's a powerful image. And Blago, the punk, coward, chump azz bastid, like all punk azz cowards, know he's going down, but he's taking a lot of good folk with him because of his own selfishness. He sought to gain from the seat, so now that he can not gain, the he.l.l. with the whole party? Blago was wrong from the beginning, allowed to stay on and conduct business as usual even though he created the unusual drama, i.e., "F___ y'all. I'm not stepping down. Fight among yourselves." S M H
My question is if he is found guilty, what happens to the Senate appointee? Surely, if he runs for reelection, the Republicans will say this candidate and all Dems are tainted by this scandal. S M H. The lack of respect and breadth of lies and corruption being perpetrated is truly astounding. But that which has no integrity will not stand. Blago must go. And I want to help him pack.
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realuvbaby
Comment: It is what it is, but it's not what it seems. I don't think this is a racial issue at all. The Senate leadership was clear that they were not going to deal with anyone Blago appointed. Burris himself, I think underestimated the rejection factor here. It's one thing to talk about how you'd feel or what you would do. It's another thing to actually feel the hurt and rejection. He looked really hurt and sounded real feeble, evoking sympathy because it was cold and he's old. There are consquences for each choice that we make.
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huey
Comment: what an oppourtunistic negro. he let the white man walk his stoopit behind right into a hornets nest and left him out there to be stung, all the while diverting attention off of his self.
if he was as qualified as he claims to be all he had to do was wait for this thing with "gloya%*$!(" to clear off the runway and then he could have possibly landed his plane unobstructed into the senate seat. but noooo, i want in right now. stoopit nucca. well in the words of that great poet, al scarface pacino, "lookatchu fucckn azz now".
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MOTHERSHIP
Comment: Dude looks desperate. I would have just turned the damned thing down. Blago made him his bytch and he concurred big time knowing the situation. How desperate can you be?
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Grace12_34
Comment: Burris is fruit from a poisonous tree, PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!
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tellyy
Comment: they said at this time they would reconsider burris back to the senate.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: Blago's appointment of Burris does not break any rules and the US Senate is being smug about Burris after celebrating a convicted Ted Stevens [gotta laugh] . . . . . actually, Blago's indictment, if he is indicted, will be based upon intent to sell the Obama senate seat and I continue to wonder whether Blago will be indicted and if indicted whether he will be convicted - the Blago investigation was ended before the actual sell was completed in order to keep Obama people away from the temptation of buying the seat . . . . . on purely legalistic grounds, Blago appointed Burris who has no taint to fill the seat; on purely legalistic grounds, and in a brilliant move, Blago has fulfilled his obligation to provide two senators to represent Illinois . . . . . Burris is involved because he is looking forward to an historic legal fight . . . . . this situation is even more interesting because, meanwhile back in the Senate, Reid really wants to seat Al Franken despite the continuing challenges surrounding Franken's win but is stalled on action because of the possible appearance of racism: he has to seat both men or leave both men out
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HarrisThomas
Comment: last note: Blago's legal Burris appointment means that there is no longer a vacant Illinois senate seat - if Blago is removed and the new governor appoints a different person to an already filled senate seat, there will be a major court battle likely ending up in the Supreme Court
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Reds
Comment: The Dems may have put themselves in a dicey situation. Illinois rule legally “requires” the secretary of state to sign. But
the US Senate rule book only “recommends” that the appointee gets that signature. So Diane Feinstein, as rule committee chair, has no choice. That’s what you get when you have all these state rules versus federal. This soap opera still has a lot more episodes to run.
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Winn30344
Comment: Perhaps if Reid and Fitzgerald had their 'ish together this circus wouldn't be happening before we install our first Black president. It's obvious that Fitzgerald jumped the gun in order to get publicity before the Repugs are swept out of office and has contributed to this fiasco. It's like if you pull your gun be prepared to shoot..now he's asking for 3 more months to prepare for the case..WTF..why even announce the indictments if you ain't ready to roll and now Burris is looking stupid while Blago is laughing his azz off at this distraction. Only time crooked azz Blago's name is mentioned now is with Burris. As I said b4..Blago has more ba11s than all the Democrats put together..
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khanman
Comment: This guy is not only an idiot but he's a disgrace to us as a people. WTF was he thinking?
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TGen
Comment: Winn30344, my sentiments EXACTLY. I was going to point to the root of the whole thing--that loony prosecutor, who looks like an idiot now for that grandstanding he did in that press conference, acting like he had his case ready to go, only to ask for more time weeks later, lol. Names being dragged through the mud (JJjr), careers turned upside-down, etc. all because of an overzealous meglomaniac. As for Burris, he seems kind-of slow to me, like maybe he was on the short bus in school or something, (I kid, I kid). I know he's a lawyer and all, but he does come across as delusional and overwhelmingly narcissistic--none of which bars him from being a senator. Senate Dems once again look stupid and if they're smart they'll use this opportunity to get rid of Harry "Black folk can't win statewide" Reid and get someone more competent in there. (But don't hold your breath. *Sigh*) Sidenote: I must say the prez-elect is back in my good graces (at least a little) now that I've found out JJjr was in fact on his list of recommeded Senate replacements provided to Blagovich, which contradicts earlier reports. So if nothing else, at least I've regained some respect for my new president-elect, not to be confused with Demos overall, I still detest them, lol. Digress...
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sweetpea
Comment: IMO, I think Burris should have never accepted the nomination by this shady governor.
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sweetpea
Comment: Also, some are trying to make this a race issue and it isn't.
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ....Ultimately he's gonna be seated, right?...Can they really prevent this?...Does Burris plan to file suit?...Was this the plan all along?...
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DOne
Comment: Although, I would not have accepted the appointment if I was in Burris shoes, he was in his legal right to do so; just like the governor was in his legal right to make the appointment because he has not been convicted of any wrongdoing. If the citizens of the district in which he has to serve are against the nomination, then let them protest, march or do something. It's the people of IL that this impacts the most so let them deal with it; plus they can always vote him out come election time. Frankly, considering all the issues congress needs to deal with, it pizzes me off for them to even waste time on this. Each of us should be writing or calling our own senators letting them know how we feel about this issue.
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McNasty
Comment: I'm hoping that if his papers were in order he would have been seated. The Dems are making fools of themselves and looking like a bunch of little girls over this. They did not a damn thing but charge this man for the conversation - he's not convicted and Blago was not stripped of his power of office. They have yet to release the rest of the tape so no one knows if there is more than what was already heard. If there was - they would have been able to stop this appointment legally. There is obviously not and this petty as.s squabble is just more entertainment for the rethugs who already think the Dems incompetent.
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huey
Comment: let me bottom line this if i may. why sit your azz in a chair that has shi77 on it? wouldnt u want the chair cleaned off and sanitized first?
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Gurlfrand
Comment: No surprise Burris was rejected at the door - he should have been seated because Blago is still the govenor, but, with the cloud of doubt over him, the senate does not want to accept Burris or anybody that is presented to take the seat.
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McNasty
Comment: ITA that Burris should have declined the offer - he lack pride but has a wealth of greed. He's run for several other offices and been either defeated or overlooked so he was starving for his 15 minutes in the white house. Minstrel men have always been in our community and always will be but the real deciding factor in this fiasco are the people in Chicago. Do they want the house slave reppin' them?!
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soulmusic101
Comment: Blago must go and Burris should have never agreed to this sideshow circus....Now on to Sen. Diane Feinstein. This little snake sided with George W. Bush every single time when it came to the Patriot Act, every person that Bush nominated to any position, very pro "let's invade Iraq", approved illegal wire-tapping of Americans 100%, and had Bush's back when it came to waterboarding and illegal torture methods.....Watch her, Diane Feinstein, can never be trusted.
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TGen
Comment: Soulmusic, Amen to your Diane Feinstein observation. Snake indeed.
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Exmun
Comment: No one in their right mind except a fool would have allowed and even encouraged this circus atmosphere to take place in the media with a member of their own party. This is Democratic Party 101 all over again, just like the Hillary's attempts to cripple Barack below the belt with the "not commander in chief material"/3 AM business. These Dems just don't know how to keep family business in the house. You don't let a fiasco like this happen 2 weeks before your guy gets inaugurated. You just don't do it. You leave the way clean and clear so that he comes in with as little drama and as much fanfare as possible. Since the spineless Dems in Illinois where not able to pass a damn bill requiring a special election the guy Blago is still the only person with the legal authority to make the appointment. Diane Feinstein (rarely one of my favorite politicians) earned some points back with her statement. The Dems (including my boy 'Rak) could have made this Burris thing a one or two day story and publicly stated that they didn't like the appearance of it, but Blago is still the Governor of Ill. He ain't been convicted of anything (hell, he ain't even been "indicted"). I don't know of or have any particular support for Roland Burris, but once a man has been appointed to something--you just don't block it when you don't have the legal right to do so. And the visual alone... White Senator from Nevada and his White cohorts in the all white Senate move to block the appointment of a Black appointee of their own party. That visual alone should have caused more reasonable minds to say "I don't like it, but I'm not touching this." Instead, we're going to be hearing weeks of this mess as Burris files suit and the media laps it up like a dehydrated person finding water.
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soulmusic101
Comment: TGen...cool but when I heard that she was mad because Obama didn't ask her permission when Obama nominated Leon Panetta to head the CIA, her crooked ways came rushing back. What Diane doesn't know is that Obama probably snubbed Diane on purpose to let her know that Intelligence will be handled differently than when George Bush was in charge. And so what she is a Democrat, she should have never been re-elected....Now she wants to voice her position while keeping silent and backing Bush/Cheney during the dark George Bush years.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Why don't you also blame Burris for having the mind of a gnat and trying to get a free ride to the Senate. If he were White you probably wouldn't care what happened. How old is Burris anyway? Trying too act like he doesn't know that he is being used.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Realuv...WHEW! Damn..lol Couple of things. Majority opinion is that Burris is the only person w/the law on his side. The democrats in IL (just like the dems in FL & MI) and now the US senate (including Obam) is to blame. If you recall, the state dems agreed to punish MI&FL for pushing their election dates up. Supporters, instead of being mad w/them, were highly pizzed w/Obama and Clinton..completely unfair. The IL Dems party, over fear of losing the seat to a republican in a special election, decided to forego the overwhelming desire for IL residents, and NOT hold a special election. Their inaction gave way to Blags being able to make the appt. Since the appt, Blags has continue to issue pardons and conducted the business of IL. Is it possible that a legislature can decide on 'which' of his duties a legally seated governor is able to do? No it can't.
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Exmun
Comment: I'm going to cosign 'Herbs on this statement here. For all who are opposing Blago making the appointment you need to read this over and over again. "Since the appt, Blags has continue to issue pardons and conducted the business of IL. Is it possible that a legislature can decide on 'which' of his duties a legally seated governor is able to do? No it can't."
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soulmusic101
Comment: Watch out everybody...MusB and ExMun will try to make you believe that Burris and Blago have no Agenda and are pure and innocent...lol
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musbdherbs
Comment: Bill Clinton was caught in the most compromising position in history. William Jefferson. Charlie rangel? Tax fraud scandal and maintains his chairmanship of the house ways and means comittee. So I think your idea of him stepping down on GP is not that great. As of now, Burris hasn't lost a thing. Obama should've followed his own advice when the speculation was going on initially about selling that seat. He said then that it's a matter left up to IL and he would stay out of it. The dems needed cover and Obama gave it to them. This is a mess totally created by the dems. What one man won't do..another will. This is politics and many of them do things most of us would never even consider. There is very little honor in politics and it certainly didn't start nor will it end w/Blags and Burris. Blags called their bluff..cuz they let 'em..plain and simple.
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Exmun
Comment: Soulmusic, "free ride to the Senate"? Is that was an appointment is? Isn't that what Caroline Kennedy is getting from NY gov. Patterson? Isn't that what's being done in CO and AZ and in a few days to someone in Delaware to fill Biden's seat. You're probably right that most people wouldn't care what happened, because in all other circumstances what would 'ordinarily' happen with a legally sitting governor is that the U.S. Senate accepts the appointment and STFU about anything alse. But I find it odd that in this appointment where the guy doing the appointing is still 'otherwise' conducting the business of Illinois and only in this situation they want to deny entry to someone who looks like you and me. Just puzzling is all.
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TGen
Comment: Soulmusic, not sure if your question is directed at me or not, but if so, I submit to you that Burriss DOESN'T CARE if he's being used or not. As I insinuated earlier, from all I've heard/seen of the guy he's probably a clinical case of a narcissist (dude alread has his tomb enshrined), so his aim is the title. Before he leaves planet earth, he WILL be a Senator, lol. So while he may be a weirdo, stupid he is not. He is willing to be used because he in turn is capitalizing off of lesser-shrewd politicians ala Harry Reid. Both Burris and Blago are playing Reid and his ilk for fools, out-maneuvering, calling their bluff at every turn. As proof of Burris' shrewdness, reference Musb's and Exmun's posts. The clever "Blago has also signed legislation, is that too illegal?" quip came from Burris himself. The lesson of it all? Don't underestimate Chicago politicians! lol
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soulmusic101
Comment: ExMun...you are becoming obsessed with Burris, let it go.
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soulmusic101
Comment: TGen...nah it was more too Exmun...lol...wasn't Exmun in previous comments negative towards Obama during the 2007-2008 Primary? Forgive me Exmun, if I am mistaken.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Soul...guess who else voted to approve illegal wire-tapping of americans? Barack Obama. Guess who voted for the patriot Act? Barack Obama. Guess who voted for the war, his VP and SoS. Guess who supported basically every bill attached to the war, the pres-elect, his VP and SoS. So while I may have an issue w/Diane..it's no different than the 1 most people should have w/Obama and 'em. Soul...who in politics doesn't have an agenda. Wassup w/you and these roving standards which change based on whether you agree w/the person in question or not. Obama doesn't have an agenda? Clinton didn't have an agenda during the primary? Please. Now having an agenda is a crime in politics? Dude, I know you're a partisan but damn..to accuse a politician of having an agenda? Really? Who would've thunked! Since when does the US Senate have authority over a governor of a state doing his job? Uhmm..it doesn't. The president doesn't have that much power. I'm 99.999% sure that had Obama said some'n like, "as I said b4, this is not an issue left up to the state..blah..blah...although I do not agree w/the governor's actions, he is legally allowed to carry out the business of ill we should always fall back on what the constitution states, Burris should be seated." HAd Obama made a similar statement, I'm actually 100& sure that 99.9% of the people in opposition...would be singing a different tune. I have no doubt in my mind about that one.
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soulmusic101
Comment: TGen...okay I hear what you are saying about weak Harry Reid but I don't feel sorry for ego-tripping Burris at all.
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TGen
Comment: Exmun, you raise an interesting quandry about the Majoriy Leader and Blacks in power. Add to that this from the HuffPost: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/07/harry-reid-i- dont-work-fo_n_155838.html Reid, "I don't work for Obama. If Obama steps over the bounds, I will tell him. ... I do not work for Barack Obama. I work with him." So even though he denies having a race complex, it seems evidence is mounting that he in fact does take issue with Blacks being in power. I'm not going to throw out the "r" word quite yet, but um, where there's smoke... Dude is skatin on thin ice. Stay tuned...
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musbdherbs
Comment: LOL@TGEn..a politician..a narcissist? Get outta here! Is that a different version from the narcissists we currently have in office..or have had..lol Did Clinton care that she was being used by her handlers to appeal to women voters or Obama to black voters? Of course not...it's politics..lol
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soulmusic101
Comment: Musb come off your high horse. No matter how many words you use, Burris is not worth the trouble. At one time you thought Bill O'Rielly was a guy who made sense, still feel that way?
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bigchassie
Comment: yeah yall, i too agree with yall with this 100 percent! Burris should have never come to Washington. he knew good and dayum well they was not gonna give him the senate seat. especially when the papers was not officially noterized and signed by Jessie White. how stupid. i think that was a publicity stunt. opportunist! that was a waste of time.
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grayeyesliu
Comment: He will be seated. The democrats are a real peice of work. I hope and pray they don't govern like they have handleed this affair.
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soulmusic101
Comment: TGen...Don't forget that Harry Reid is up for re-election in 2010, I believe. The People love Obama more than weak Harry. Harry wasn't so big and bad when it came to George W. Bush, Obama will outsmart Harry the Mormon.
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grayeyesliu
Comment: ooops.. corrections..dang...He will be seated. The democrats are a real piece of work. I hope and pray they don't govern like they have handled this affair
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soulmusic101
Comment: Whenever I hear People complaining about all the Democrats, I just think George W. Bush and Sarah Palin and cringe.
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TGen
Comment: Soulmusic, I predict you're right. Reid will be gone in two years if he's not ousted before that. The fact that he laid down for George Bush to perpetuate all his evil is one thing and challenging maybe the most popular person on earth right now (Obama) is another thing, but adding race to the mix? Um yeah, me no think so. Poor thing, lol
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musbdherbs
Comment: High horse? As many x's as you've come to this board w/your left-wing conspiracy theories posting what you consider "facts," I'M on a high horse because I am regurgitating what the law states as opposed to me "feelings" about a person. That's usually your position. Yeah I do believe O'Reilly makes sense from time to time..including last night when I watched him.
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soulmusic101
Comment: TGen...LOL
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soulmusic101
Comment: musbdherbs...lol...go watch Fox News...have you ever said anything bad about George W. Bush in your past posts? But you are quick to remember Clinton's BJ?...lol
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soulmusic101
Comment: Musb...here is one of my left-wing conspiracy theories..The Iraq War was illegal and morally wrong from Day One!...During the early days some of my friends thought I was wrong and I should support America and/or Bush/Cheney. I also still believe that Fox News Channels was and is a Parrot for the Bush/Regime and they are not a good source for information.
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Exmun
Comment: Soul, I am an Obama supporter. I donated to his campaign before it became fashionable to do so (pre-Iowa primary). I volunteered for his campaign by canvassing and working in his local office. I served as a pollwatcher on election day to ensure a fair vote. I have an Obama bias, but that doesn't mean everything he does or allows is beyond criticism. In fact of late I can point to a few things that I'm critical of from him (his involvement in the Blago circus being one of them).
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Southernbelle
Comment: Considering the fact that Blago is still Governor and performing Governor related duties I just don't see why the man can't be seated unless they can associate Burris with obtaining this appointment illegally. Otherwise, why bother fighting it? Another court case is a waste of time and money. We need a full Senate come 1/20/09. Let old dude have it and give Blago's crooked azz the boot. That slick baztard.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Exmun...granted that you are an early Obama supporter and I will give you the benefit...This Burris fiasco is not a dealbreaker for me and will not cause me too lose sight of the bigger picture. This is a Burris's issue and I don't support the guy. It is what it is.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Soul..of course this is where partisans like u spin out of control. Yep, I do watch the O'Reilly show and Brit Hume from time to time. I watch Fox News Sunday..every sunday @ 9am. I don't recall Bush being censured nor impeached...something democrats (including Obama) could have pushed for..even though he seems to be the worst in recent history. Your conspiracy theories are partisan at best. Who voted for the illegal war from Day One? democrats..including the pres-elects VP and SoS. I know what this is all about. I saw it during the primary. Anyone offering objective criticism of Democrats...especially Obama..are accused of being on the other side and loyalty is first in question. I also know that blame falls w/in partisan/ideological lines of preference. This is no different than Hillary supporters (democrats)blaming Obama for MI&FL rather than the state party leadership. In this case, democrats blame Blags and Burris for creating the mess that the state leaders started. Been dere done dat.
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Exmun
Comment: TGen (glad you're back... I was Jonesing for your candor these last few days). Add to the Reid issue that the Chicago Sun Times reported on Friday that Reid spoke to Blago about who he (Reid) wanted to fill that seat and who Reid thought should NOT fill those seats. Guess what? The three men he didn't want in that seat were all Black men (3J, Emil Jones, and Danny Davis). He wanted Tammy Duckworth (Asian as I can tell) or Lisa Madigan (current Ill AG - White woman). It's such a bad look that Reid was politicking behind the scenes for the appointment to this same seat and now he's blocking the appointment to the seat--someone not who he wanted. It's just such a bad look that the circus atmosphere created by this along with it taking attention from the President Elect a week and a half before he takes office should have indicated that the appointment should have been accepted when made without fuss. But thinking strategically has never really been the Dems thing anyway.
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soulmusic101
Comment: MusB you sound like your little friend Bill O'Rielly (partisan politics)...lol...Guess which Democrat that I want gone, Diane Feinstein.
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Angel
Comment: I don't think I've ever seen such a situation where EVERYBODY's just not thinking right. Blago's selling seats and getting caught. Dem's threatening Blago not to make appts knowing his azz ain't wrapped too tight. Dem's making bold statements that no appt would be accepted instead of just saying something that would give them room to work and not have to backtrack like "we are keeping a close eye on the process and all parties involved". Of course, Blago makes an appt and dumbazz Burris accepts it knowing it will cause a circus, instead of going behind the scenes and negotiating some type of arrangement where folks can save face AND he gets the seat (but hey, maybe he tried that and they thumbed their nose at him so he HAD to show his azz--either way, he joined the circus). So here we are. With all the damage that is done at this point, they might as well just go ahead and put a Republican in the seat because I feel Burris is not electable at this point in 2010. But like I said the other day, only time will tell...
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Angel
Comment: Oh, and don't get me started on Feinstein. She is the CHAIRWOMAN of the Senate rules committee and she signs a letter stating the Senate's position on the matter which probably led the rest of the Senators to sign based on her position, then she does a 180 in less than a week?! Did she even do the research before she signed the letter to begin with?! **sigh** I am so glad I'm not a Democrat...
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Katso
Comment: I totally in agreement with you today Musb!!!! Burris should be seated. Blago is still the seated governor. Since Illinois legistrature failed to act on holding a special election which Blago supported then he acted on his duty to appoint someone. Burris has won elected office in IL and is more than qualified to fill the role as Junior Senator for IL. Another friend as someone on here point out that Burris is building a shrine to himself because it is clear the media has it out to make Burris look bad for taking this appointment. Who cares!!!!! For whatever reason he took a legal appointment the man should be seated. If the federal prosecutor had such a strong case against Blago then he wouldn't be asking for extra 3 months. I don't think the prosecutor has a strong case because if he did Blago would have been indicted.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Angel...critical thinking and well-said...Left The Democrat Party around 2003 -2004. Hillary Clinton was one of the reasons...lol
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dcdouglass01
Comment: This whole thing stinks. Blago is a dope. Burris is a dope (guy already has his resume printed on his mausoleum). Harry Reid is a dope. In the end though, Dope Reid will have to seat Dope Burris because Dope Blago is still the governor. Should Burris then run in 2010? At age 72, no. But he's dope; a dope who's more concerned about putting more stuff on his mausoleum than about vigorous representation of the people of IL. So if he has his druthers, he'll be grandstanding for re-election in 2010.
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Angel
Comment: Soul - I know hindsight is 20/20, but damn. With all of the political strategist out there, someone should've done the analysis of all the chess moves between Blago, the legislature and the Senate that were available before dems started making threats about what they would never do...just do a simple flow chart damn!!
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soulmusic101
Comment: Angel...agreed..Hold the Trial and Impeach Blago with a quickness...I heard the tapes and what Blago said...lol
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musbdherbs
Comment: Soul..as a usual partisan..when you can't argue against facts and the law (all of which I provided) u go off on the deep end. You can have whatever opinion of Feinstein as your heart desires. IMO, your position is unsubstainable considering the majority of democrats were in lockstep w/Feinstein. But u only hold her responsible..that's laughable. Angel...Harry Reid, Senate Majority leader was behind the initiative to get other dems to sign off on the letter banning Blags appointment. Despite ill feelings towards Feinstein, As Chair of The Rules committee, she is aware of what the Rules are concerning this appointment. So IMO, her position not to accept an appt by Blags..is only a position and now that the law dictates. They played their hand...blags played his and it seems as if his hand is the hand of the law.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Dcdoug...my great-uncle has a mausoleum w/not just his accomplishments but those of his immmediate family as well. Not sure why people made that a point of criticism..other than just searching for a non-existent story.
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Angel
Comment: Musb - I see what you're saying, but I don't care who is pushing it, she, as the Chair, should've taken it upon herself to have the proper research done and only stand behind a letter that was lock step with the rules. But instead, they tried a bluff and now that bluff is being called. For someone to do a 180 in less than a week tells me that either the research wasn't done or it was a intentionally flawed position to begin with. Either way, her credibility as the Chair is in question as far as I'm concerned, so I really don't wanna hear what she has to say at this point.
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Angel
Comment: Soul - It doesn't even matter at this point when or if they impeach him. The damage is done. The legislature should've held the special election and they didn't. The rest is circus history.
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Gennamir
Comment: Why should Drago be impeached? He has'nt been found guilty of anything...And Burris should be seated and he will.
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Exmun
Comment: Angel, we agree at least on one thing. The point for people to be jumping and screaming was before Blago made the appointment and while the Illinois legislature had an 'opportunity' to pass a law requiring a special election. Both houses are controlled by Democrats. Now that Blags called the bluff and made the appointment anyway, prudence should have dictated to ALL (Reid and Obama including) that they should accept it with reservations about the taint... but accept it nonetheless. Every participant in this circus to blame... but the fact that we even have a circus NOW (a day after Burris should have been sworn in) suggests that the Dems don't know what the hell they're doing when it comes to managing their message in the media. And to the extent that Diane Feinstein realized this now (whether for legal, political, or moral reasons) gets credit from me notwithstanding her other very noticeable flaws.
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Angel
Comment: Exmun - She gets no credit from me unless she admits she was a f*ck up as Chair in this situation. LOL
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soulmusic101
Comment: The moment you agree with Bill O'Rielly but speak no ill will of the George W. Bush years....there must be something wrong with you....lol
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Exmun
Comment: Angel, you're still one of my favorite people to read on the board. But you know good and well Diane ain't going to admit jack. LOL
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musbdherbs
Comment: LOL..well Obama was asked about Burris at the am press conference. He said that "burris is a fine man who has represented the state of il, this is a matter better left up to the state, if Burris is seated, I will work with him as I would any other US Senator." Sounds like the statement he should've given initially. ANGEL...While I don't think she should've signed off on the statment, the issue really is w/Reid because HE spearheaded this. IMO, it seems like the dems wanted to display a unified front. That's normal in politics even when you disagree w/the position. Yes, it was flawed from the jump. That's what I tried to get u 2 see on last week. But despite her 180..she is on the side of the law. Insisting that he not be seated is not. Again, the blame going in the wrong direction.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Angel...agreed...I was speaking on when Fitzgerald 1st knew Blago may be corrupt.
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Exmun
Comment: 'Herbs, you are hitting all cylinders today. Gotta cosign this "He said that "burris is a fine man who has represented the state of il, this is a matter better left up to the state, if Burris is seated, I will work with him as I would any other US Senator." Sounds like the statement HE SHOULD'VE GIVEN INITIALLY." (my caps). I'll also add that this circus is something that either he or his strategists should have seen before he made his statements.
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musbdherbs
Comment: LOL@Soul..I mean come on..wut else would u think? You are the best example of what a partisan is. So that's not surprising.
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Angel
Comment: Exmun - And that's why she ain't getting a gold star from me. LOL
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soulmusic101
Comment: lol..."hitting all cylinders"...this Burris thing is becoming pretty shallow, kind of like Burris's and Blago's ego.
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Exmun
Comment: Perhaps I'm giving my boy 'Rak too much credit and hence too much criticisim for not seeing that denying this appointment would have resulted in a circus a week and a half before he's sworn in... But I still know Barack Obama to be one who had given some of the most non-answer answers during the campaign. For him to not understand that he needs to always leave himself some room to change his position, especially when an issue is in the early stages, is unthinkable for a politician. He should have known better. This Burris thing was a bad deal from the jump when the appointment was made and accepted. And now Blags will have a friend who has the power to influence the federal investigation into him or assist in seeking a pardon/commutation if convicted... stroke of genius if you ask me. Chicago politics is bare knuckles. And while I don't always agree with the message, I have to admire the game.
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Exmun
Comment: Soul, by nightfall, you will be in the minority, because most other Dems will have folded like a wet paper bag and will be saying let's get this behind us and seat him. So I will appreciate in advance that politicians do what they do best... fold to pressure and controversy.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Exmun...you kidding right? Obama is doomed, look at how he "handled" the Burris/Blago issue...good one.
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Angel
Comment: Musb - Not gonna fly for Feinstein. If she were the CFO or CLO for a company and she signed off on something she knew or should've known was incorrect, but she didn't want to go against the CEO, her azz would end up on the chopping block right next to the CEO no matter how much she wants to blame the CEO. When you are given a position of authority and you neglect to do your duty in such a position you can't point the finger afterwards--that's why they get paid the big bucks. LOL
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soulmusic101
Comment: exmum...your thought's on Feinstein?
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Exmun
Comment: Soul, I have been most critical of Obama and how he handled the Blago thing... from his initial tepid remarks about what conversations he and his people had with Blags to his mea culpa about R. Emmanuel having lots of convos, but none about money or a quid pro quo... to his agreement with Reid and now his change of heart--now seeing that Burris will likely get in. This is not great press/media management and reflects poorly on leadership. Part of being a good leader, IMO, is knowing which fights are worth the media spectacle. An arrested but not indicted or convicted governor who still legally holds his job making a tainted appointement a couple weeks before Obama is supposed to be sworn in is NOT worth the front page distraction that has ensued. He should have shut this thing down from jump after the appointment was made and just said that it's an Ill issue and that neither the Senate nor him have anything to do with it. Kinda like he said this morning... see 'Herbs quote.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Angel..she is head of the committee that dealt w/Senate Rules...not the senate itself. Using your logic, Obama should be equally blamed because he co-signed the same position as Feinstein's and has now backpeddled..just as Feinstein. He is the CEO of the democratic party. He is in the ultimate position of authority and he co-signed. Will your criticisms also be directed his way (as the ultimate decider)....prolly not..lol Using your "HNIC" logic, Obama must also be blamed.
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Exmun
Comment: Soul, I think Feinstein is a good politician. She has been in Senate leadership for the past two years and everything that 'Herb said that she supported is true. BUT I give her credit occasionally for stepping up. She stepped up yesterday on this Burris thing. She also stepped up towards the end of the Dem primary and said that Hillary should concede and that the super delegates should back the guy who won the most delegates (this was pre-Rules Committee vote on FL and MI). So I don't like everything she does, but I sense in her a reasonable person who isn't totally awash with madness.
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soulmusic101
Comment: The Burris issue is boring, seat him, Burris will vote the majority of the time with Obama anyway. Jan 20th is just around the corner....Feinstein and Reid, careful you are being watched...lol
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Angel
Comment: Musb - Reread my post. I set it up where Reid was CEO and Feinstein was CFO/CLO. Trust me, as a CFO, if you sign off on financials that are not true regardless of what the CEO does, you will find yourself fired and/or facing charges because your fiduciary duty as a CFO is not to the CEO but to Shareholders. As Chair of the Senate Rules Committee, Feinstein has a duty to be truthful about the rules regardless of what Reid says...Obama is not in the Senate nor does he control the Senate...he should be blamed for making a stupid azz statement, but he is not person in charge of upholding the rules of the Senate.
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dcdouglass01
Comment: Exmun said, "Soul, by nightfall, you will be in the minority, because most other Dems will have folded like a wet paper bag..." Yeah they'll fold, if for no other reason than to discontinue the imagery of a white man (Reid) blocking entry of a Black little girl or Black students (Buress)into a public school (the Senate).
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huey
Comment: BLAGO WINS: Senate Dems 'plan to accept' Roland Burris for Obama's vacancy...
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queeniebunz
Comment: >Huey - cosign totally with your analogy. I look at this situation regarding Blago from the legal standpoint that a person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Until said trial occurs, that person should be free as an innocent man to conduct business as usual. That said, if I were Burris, I'd never have accepted the seat from Blago. Why? Because the whole case against Blago is that he was trying to sell the seat. To accept the seat from him, kinda LOOKS LIKE Burris opened his checkbook and paid something for the seat. I'm not saying he did at all or that there is evidence of that but it looks like he may have since he was chosen. In politics image is everything and the image of impropriety = guilt in public opinion. If I were Burris, I wouldn't have touched this with a 50 ft pole. He does look pitiful and desperate accepting the seat. And he knew his paperwork wasn't in order before he even came to DC. He knew he was creating a circus. And I DO believe he was playing the race card because as many have said it looks like a group of white men rejecting a black man trying to come into power. It LOOKS racist. Had Blago selected a white man, I wonder how this would look and be portrayed in the media and how it would be viewed on EUR. It probably wouldn't even be discussed this much except for the usual suspects on here to bash Obama for his position on it, of course. Does Burris look like a "House Negro" here to me? I don't know. He just looks foolish and like he wants his 15 minutes. I thought about it and I was like, he wasted a plane ticket! He knew he wasn't getting in. I compare this to a situation in sports where the winner of a race in track gets busted for steroid use and the runner up gets the gold. Sure the runner up really won because the winner cheated but the runner up never gets credit for that. Burris looks like that runner up here. He didn't get his seat the correct way. He got it by default. If I were him, I would take no pride in this at all. If I were him, I'd have said, "Nah. I'm good" and left it at that.
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: Musb> Co-sign! BTW It is embarrassing to live here now adays, the rest of the nation thinks folks in Illinois are crazy, it's cool though glad we could be here for your entertainment. You know I've got a picture of Blago and I from a few years back when did the press conference for the Minimum Wage increase, he seemed so nice then---wonder what it would be worth on Ebay if he really, really goes to jail LOL.
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soulmusic101
Comment: queeniebunz...good post but I am now glad it is Burris, his vote will be whatever Obama wants (95% of the time) and Burris is just glad to be at the table.....Blago is still Blago tho.
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Angel
Comment: Huey - It ain't Blago who wins because he still is in hot, it's the Republicans. During the compaign, the Republican pundits stated the Dems would squander their power by turning Congress into a circus and having NO backbone. The Dems did it before the first day.
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Exmun
Comment: Soul, I guess nightfall didn't even happen. The Dems did it before lunch. I'm not trying to gloat, only pointing out that this Dem's weakness is well noted. And their media management skills are nonexistent. A child could have known that once Blago made the appointment any efforts to block the appointed would have created a media spectacle. Smarter managers of their media message (give credit to the Republicans for their abilities in this area) would have shut this fiasco down a week ago and just accepted the appointment so that Obama's team would have the press coverage this week. So once again, the Dems do what they do best... fold to pressure.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Angel...lol...The Neo-Con Repubs had 6 years of total power..."squander power"???? Have you checked your savings lately?...lol...the repubs should try too help than stand in the way.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Exmun...gloat about what??? lol...let me know what you won for Burris getting in, as long as Burris votes Obama, I will say I am wrong....big picture kind of Bro, not childish looking to score points. Whatever it takes to help Obama get this Country back to work.
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Angel
Comment: Soul - the point is that the Dems ran on a platform of change and a Congress that would "get things done" is they were in charge. Basically, the Repubs are saying they are no better. And it's not the Repubs in Congress who have to say anything. They have been pretty much silent and letting the debacle unfold, but trust and believe this will come up in the next election cycle. It's the Republican pundits and really the general MSM who are having a field day with this.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Angel...If you were looking for perfection in Man, you will be looking for a long time...smile...I will take this over Sarah Palin "I can see Alaska from my front porch"...lol
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dcdouglass01
Comment: Side note on all this: Is there any way Harry Reid---who as a child was always the last one picked at the playground---can be replaced? This guy is really beginning to irk me. Hopefully he'll lose his 2010 re-election bid. One extra Republican would be worth getting rid of this nut.
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Exmun
Comment: Soul, that's my point. I'm "not" gloating. I'm saying that the Dems always yuck things up over stupid ish. This is just par for the course. These Dems in power have serious priority problems. Everything is an issue to go full out. They don't understand how to keep the media's attention on things that really matter to them. This is just another in a long line of screw ups by them. And Obama is not smart for participating in this thing early on.
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soulmusic101
Comment: ExMun...and Bush and the 2000 Congress did what better? I don't remember happy days, do you?...Obama hasn't even slept in his new home yet and look at the attack dog's.
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Zumbagirl
Comment: I take no position re whether Burris should be seated or not, but has anyone even noticed that the reason Burris is forced to go to court is not because of anything Reid or other Dem senators have done but because the BLACK Illinois Secty of State Jesse White refuses to sign the certification? Are you all giving him a free pass on this?
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Exmun
Comment: Soul, while things weren't any better in 2000, one has to give the Republican party credit for being so disciplined with their message that they got away with screwing the country before the people woke up and said "enough." Obama hasn't even stepped into office and already the Dems are showing their inability to marshall party unity and a message that acknowledges their true priorities. For them to have succumbed to this spectacle eyes wide open suggests their ineptitude. All I'm saying.
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Exmun
Comment: Zumbagirl, important observation. But it appears that he was convinced by Senate Democratic Party leadership to withhold his signature... so there you go... screwup and coverups on all levels.
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huey
Comment: Angel --I didnt say he won...thats a copy of and article i posted., my point has already be made on earlier post. for the record, i will use a heathcliff huxtable analogy. remember the episode when venessa eloped with dabness brickey and never told her parents that he even exhisted? she brings him to the huxtables house to tell them that this is her husband. they all have dinner at the dinner table when she does this and heathcliff ask dabness, "whats you favorite food dabness?" and dabness goes on to tell heathcliff that he likes steak covered with mushroom, gravy, carrots and onions etc etc. and heathcliffs ask dabness, "now suppose i had that all prepared for u, smelling all good and i brought it to you at this table for u to eat, except it was on a garbage lid, how would u like it then?, and thats how venessa is serving u up to me and mrs. huxtable today, on a garbage lid".....and so goes burriss...
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Angel
Comment: Huey - I totally agree with you about Burris. It looks desperate and power-hungry no matter how legitimate it is. He keeps yelling it's legal, but hell prostitution is legal in parts of Nevada but I'm sure he wouldn't do that publicly. It's just not a good look.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: I know it's kinda late in the day and folks are starting to go home, but I have a question . . . . . among some of you who accept that Blago had a legal right to appoint an interim sentator, do you think that Blago should not have appointed anybody or appointed someone other than Burris? . . . . there's been a lot of laughter around my building today about the cluelessness of dems who won't protect their party or each other with unified presentations: what's the matter with these people?
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musbdherbs
Comment: Angel...you still seem confused..lol Fienstein is head of the Rules Committee not the Senate. Even if she had gone against her party and president, Reid was the man behind the opposition. So her support of the letter IMO is irrelevant. It's impossible that Reid didn't know what the rules were. It's impossible that Obama didn't as well. Both of them signed off on Reid's letter. Obama isn't in the Senate BUT every person w/knowledge of the happenings says that he provided cover for Harry Reid. Feinstein (in support of her party) signing a letter saying that they wouldn't accept an appt by Burris is an act of political posturing...not breaking the senate rules. There is nothing to suggest that Feinstein acted against Senate Rules as Chair of the committee. That seems to be your interpretation which isn't really based on facts..but your opposition to her..lol At the end of the day, w/all of your opposition to Burris, please explain to me (politically) what did the dems accomplish? Nothing at all. That's been the issue from the jump. And I'll say again that the ire many Obama supporters have against Blags/Burris is completely misdirected. If nething, as the head of the party, he should've told Reid NOT to send the letter. That's something he could've controlled. He didn't..esepcially considering he's a constitutional lawyer.
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musbdherbs
Comment: HT????? And now the dems look like complete, utter, shameless fools for absolutely, postively, NO reason at all.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: musb, that's exactly why we're laughing
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musbdherbs
Comment: HT..I wonder who was Obama listening to when he came out and said. "Roland Burris is a good man and a fine public servant, but the Senate Democrats made it clear weeks ago that they cannot accept an appointment made by a governor who is accused of selling this very Senate seat," "I agree with their decision, and it is extremely disappointing that Governor Blagojevich has chosen to ignore it. I believe the best resolution would be for the Governor to resign his office and allow a lawful and appropriate process of succession to take place. While Governor Blagojevich is entitled to his day in court, the people of Illinois are entitled to a functioning government and major decisions free of taint and controversy."
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musbdherbs
Comment: Barely a week later the story changes to: The apparent decision to SEAT Roland Burris came after aides to President-elect BARACK OBAMA contacted senior Senate Democrats and suggested that they reverse course and accept Gov. Rod Blagojevich's controversial appointment, according to a senior Dem congressional aide.
Just minutes after the decision to seat Burris was reported, Obama offered the veteran Illinois pol praise and promised a working relationship.
"That is a Senate matter," he said of the news. "But I know Roland Burris, obviously he is from my home state. He is a fine public servant, if he gets seated then I am going to work with Roland Burris like all other senators to make sure that the people if Illinois and the people across the country are served."
COMPLETELY unecessary fumble by the dems and pres-elect Obama. [insert foot in mouth here]
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HarrisThomas
Comment: musb, sthat stupid statement can not be explained
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HarrisThomas
Comment: well, let us hope that these are the worse flubs that can or will happen or it's going to be a bumpy four years
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: Hey HarrisThomas> In Illinois, people were pizzed about that particular appointment because it put them on the wrong side of an argument, if you came out against Burris it would look as if you were against a black appointee when the real issue was could Blago appoint anyone at all without it being tainted. Theorically it would not have made a diiference who was appointed. Of course since Blago (GUILtY! hee-hee) has not been removed, we can not pick and choose what policies and choice he makes, he is still Governor of the state of Illinois, so we can sit here and say we only go by the policies we agree with. I agreed that this whole thing made the Dems look foolish and not very loyal, but I have a thing against giving my 'enemies'ammo and airing dirty laundry. Burris figured he'd get in the Senate however he could, he's not that stellar but 'he doesn't stink' could be worse. Obama suffers from People Pleasing syndrome, he will have to learn that at some time there is always going to be someone pizzed off about his decisions, he'll have to learn he can not please everyone, he does not have to answer every single call for opinion and it is better to be pizzed off than pizzed on.
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Angel
Comment: Musb - I'm not confused. I know the point you're trying to make. It's not about Reid and what he chose to do. I'm talking about Feinstein. Did Feinstein not come out against the group and Reid today?!? So how is it she didn't have the ability to do that when the letter first came to her in the first place if she knew they didn't have the authority?! She didn't have to sign that letter and Reid could've marched and sent it anyway, so I am not saying that Feinstein had any power to prevent it, but her signing it gave the letter more credibility regardless of whether she broke the Senate rules or not. But at the least, don't come out now like you some sort of renegade and say he needs to be seated in accordance with rules when your azz knew that ish from jump. My point is Feinstein does not get a gold star from me for trying to look like she's standing up against the party and "doing the right thing" when her azz knew from day one they didn't have the authority to stop the appointment.
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musbdherbs
Comment: SD..I've never been able to get a sense of what the people of IL had to say about this. I know that given the choice between allowing Blags to make the appt vs. a special election...they favored an election by 70%+. I wondered how they felt about it now. Whether they agree w/Burris being seated or not having the seat filled at all until after his possible impeachment and the lt. governor steps in.
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musbdherbs
Comment: ANGel..lol..Feinstein, Reid, Obama and every other democrat who signed the letter did so KNOWING that they didn't have the legal authority to do so. That's why I said it was political posturing. It was to save face. Their faces ended up being cracked neway. I think Obama co-signing gave more power to the letter than Feinstein ever could. Reid signing the letter had more power than Feinstein. It's reasonable to hold her accountable for agreeing to something she knew was wrong. It's another to place the blame solely in her court. It's like holding no one else responsible for the shady shyt that went on during the last 8 years but Bush..simply because he is the commander in cheif. They knew the shyt they did was wrong over these years. Every single democrat knew they were wrong. Yet, only one (in your view) is ultimately responsible. She may not even need a gold star. She prolly should've been the lone democrat NOT to sign the letter. Her signing the letter is small fries compared to both the actions/words of Reid and Obama. At least her 1st statement was to qoute the rules and not do what Reid and Obama did..her Johnetta Hancock notwithstanding.
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Angel
Comment: Musb - Feinstein was the one trying to act like the rebel today. THAT'S MY POINT. Did we not already establish that everyone in this fiasco is to blame? Feinstein is trying to get brownie points now and I'm just telling her she ain't special ESPECIALLY since she was chairwoman of the rules committee. If Reid would've done it, I would've said Bullsh*t to him too.
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Angel
Comment: And Musb the only thing I'm confused about is why you thought I believed Feinstein was solely responsible...I never said that nor did I ever believe she was. My comment was that she can't point the finger at Reid and think she's in the clear in the example I gave about CEO vs CFO responsibility. I clearly stated that BOTH in that example would get the ax in a corporate environment.
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Exmun
Comment: Angel, at least Diane Feinstein spoke the hell up. Many more Dems should have done the same. This whole Burris/Blago think really chapped my hid because it was never necessary.
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soulmusic101
Comment: Half of America really could care less.
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Zumbagirl
Comment: Huey: That's one of my favorite Cosby Show moments -- it's all the presentation. Excellent life lesson there.
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: Musb> Unfornately in Illinois, especially in Chicago we are used to all of this. Politicians here do what they like fck what anyone thinks. Blago has been a madman for a long time, this is the same man that added that Seniors rid free to the Chicago Public Transportation system that was already crying broke, now they are raising the fare and had the nerve to add that part of the fare increase was to cover the seniors riding free. The extra kicker is that the Seniors said before they were given a free ride on the bus that they would continue to pay the fare if it was better for all the riders to keep the cost down, they never even asked to ride for free, Blago put that clause in just because he could. In Illinois we also still think he has great hair, he's crazy but you can't knock the hair....
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