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Name: MOTHERSHIP
Comment: I say give the brother a chance for one. I love sista McKinney as well, but folk in this country are too conditioned for her. Some folk's mentality are ruled by their masters and some are in full agreement of their deception on us and of us, so Sister McKinney and those who think like her will always be a threat.
Name: Tokyo_Joe
Comment: President Obama has been in office for 4 months and inherented a broken economy and failed foreign policy. So to stand out from the crowd some rappers bash the President.
Name: MOTHERSHIP
Comment: And he inherited an America that didn't fully invest in research and advancements to enhance us heading toward the 21st Century. I guess so, Toyko Joe, but what I want to know is where, what is their contribution to the situation if they feel all that?
Name: andryce76
Comment: i saw Griff and KRS-1 during the election they both were clearly supporting Obama i wonder what changed? but they should both beware of Alex Jones he's a nut-job and has been for years but people are allowed to believe whatever they wan't
Name: soulmusic101
Comment: I will watch the DVD 1st before forming an opinion. Don't get me wrong, I want Obama too get the Economy back on it's feet. Go after the Credit Card Companies for legal deception and reform Education in America (the kid's and indifferent parents will have too do their part also)....On a side note, don't believe the reports that the big banks made a profit in the last quarter. Just cooking the books as usual.
Name: soulmusic101
Comment: I do like how the Prez is handling access too Cuba and Hugo Chavez. His skills on the World stage is impressive. South American Leaders will now have too look in the mirror on how they handle racism in their own backyard.
Name: Selah
Comment: The critique had better come with a solution. If Obama deserves critcism (Not) then waht's the alternative. It takes 5 Minutes to demolish a building, but months to build one. Let's do more building and less vandalism, Teacher!!!
Name: ss69054
Comment: Selah: I co-sign!!! Anyhows, Cynthia McKinney never had a chance and she's a nutcase too.
Name: McNasty
Comment: Good Posts. What changed is that krs1 and ncgriff thought they would be more relevant after campaigning and showing support for Obama and when that didn't happen - they didn't realize that they would have to really participate - they decided to throw facism and imperalism around like that was relevant. These two had a movement of their own back in the 80s and 90s and have the ability to mobilize a movement and especially with all the old head rappers. Yet they choose to low rate Obama - throw him at 'secret' groups and the man hasn't been in office 100 days yet. Its good these two are thinking - its too bad that they aren't using their intelligence on solutions or what they could do to be instrumental in all this change. Espousing psuedo intellect - that's it - just more hot air running rampant in the universe. Too bad indeed!
Name: Lorraine315
Comment: Oh say it aint so KRS ONE!!! Love ya brotha but you are way out there on this one. LOL I do not believe "they LET" Obama become president. It was very quite the opposite. White folks in power were d@mn near ready to change the rules of the general election to keep Obama from winning: "Oh sorry Senator Obama- you have TOO MANY electoral votes-the one with the least wins!" lol
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...Imma keep an open eye on this...I'm all for President Obama to succeed...but Imma be open to the criticisms....I dunno if I'd refer to Cindy McK as a nutcase...Some times they're the ones who know whats up...Dick Gregory...Noah *(I'm sure ya'll woulda built an ark if some dude told ya to)...Imma check out the doc also...I've seen snippets of it on You tube...I thought Griff was still part of PE...Soul, Mother?....
Name: McNasty
Comment: Co sign Soulmusic! The media kept looking for everything wrong with Chavez's photo op but there were those that thought Obama's reaction was as it should have been. Let bushit tell it Obama should have feared or at least been intimidated by Chavez and Cuba because that's how he felt. Obama deals with them like he would be dealt with - his track record is clear and good relations with those that were pis.sed at bushit can only help our collective situations.
Name: McNasty
Comment: 'Ship McKinney was less of a threat and more of a loose cannon! Sistah could have gone a long way had she not cut the damn fool like she was entitled to! She got so bogged down in personal issues in politics no one could focus on anything but her antics and rants. She needs a good mentor cause I believe she still has a contribution to make.
Name: Selah
Comment: Just once, I want to hear with whom KRS One agrees, other than himself. granted, no one is above criticism; but, the next time I hear him agree with anyone will be the first. Same for Griff. Who Pee'd in their cappucino??
Name: TGen
Comment: Go Rob! Rob Redding is great! Anywho, Selah you ask, "waht's the alternative?" Um, how about FOLLOWING THE LAW? The prez' stance on prosecuting CRIMINALS from the Bush administration should infuriate EVERYONE, REGARDLESS of party, he does NOT have the right to choose who and who not be held accountable for CRIMES...which is why I'm glad the DOJ is "seriously considering" going ahead with investigations, as well they should and HAVE to (again, they do NOT have a choice per the LAW). And also Selah, what about the "alternative" of backing up your rhetoric? Your president stood in front of Congress as a Senator (pre-campaign) and threatened to FILIBUSTER the gov's illegal wiretapping program, only to do a 180 a few months later and vote to keep it in both the Senate (when wrapping up the campaign) and the White House! So how about the "alternative" of standing up for TRUTH NO MATTER the consequences to your dang political career? How selfish is that? This country has been tramautized and there has been NO catharsis! Your president does NOT know the harm he is doing with his azinine, insulting "let's move forward" rhetoric. People have not gotten a chance to heal and as long as the TRUTH about Bush and co. is continually swept under the rug, it will NEVER fully recover. Stop giving this dude a pazz just because of the color of his damn skin, geez...
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...Maybe President Obama referred to himself as being HIP-HOP and that rubbed Kris the wrong way...Apparently he didn't like that sh1t...
Name: DCGG
Comment: Okay big fvukin deal KRS One and Professor Griff are about as relevant as that one piece of shyt that refuses to go down the toilet...no matter how many times you flush it...typical negrras...
Name: TGen
Comment: Selah et al, please see this article, posted by another poster in another thread on this website, but I think it perfectly articulates the perspective of constructive critics of Obama: http://www.naomiklein.org/articles/2009/04/lexicon-dis appointment
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: The whole government, NWO, Skulls and Bones, illuminati thing is nothing new. Neither is KRS's "activism.."..lol I hope he doesn't go down in the annals of Smiley'ism tho. I hear people criticizing Obama on lots of stuff but most of it, I don't know nething about. I'm not an economist, environmentalist, foreign policy expert, nor a legal scholar. What I do know is that I was watching Tiger Woods last night and thought to myself, that's Obama. He and Obama's philosophy seems to be one in the same. The less you talk about race, the less you're seen discounting race, the less appeals you make to those of your [minority] race, the better off you'll be. The image of both of them is enough is to achieve racial equality. Look at me, I'm a testimony. It didn't work for Tiger or any republican..but maybe it'll work for Obama. I hope our political capital don't take a step backwards under an Obama adminstration cuz right now, we're doing the same things we do w/every democrat, march in lockstep. We're the black wing (left wing, right wing) of the party. The biggest difference is that we never argue against policy..just race or hip-hop. *sopp'n biscuit in grits*
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: And now we're beginning to recognize how sometimes unimportant movements are. Obama won in part because of a movement against the war. Every walking, talking democrat was ANGRY that "Bush" had led us to war. Every democrat wanted Bush and 'nem prosecuted for breaking the law. Now Ghandi comes and says that we have to move on. What's the purpose of a movement if ur only goal was to win? Oh well..wouldn't have voted for nebody else neway. So I'm stuck like chuck. I just hope that the PHAAANTOM...oftheWhiteHouseisntthere.. Not there, the phantomof the WhiteHouse.
Name: MOTHERSHIP
Comment: BOOT, hey, poppa large? Yes, Professor Griff was apart of PE until he spoke the truth about the Jews.
Name: sweetpea
Comment: Well they are entitled to their opinions but I believe Obama's intentions are genuine. Whether the powers that actually control everything, will let him do what he has vision to do is another story. All of us has to make changes, be accountable and responsible. So my question to KRS ONE and Professor Griff is what are they doing to make a difference?
Name: PRDC
Comment: I guess he wants to write a book too.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >Selah - co-sign. You said it all in a few sentences. All I'll say is too - I wouldn't ever want to be Obama. He's damned no matter what he does. As for McKinney, well, I know about her antics going through security that time but I don't know enough about her to call her a nut job. The fact that her own constituents voted her out of office says a lot.
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...I'm just getting tired of the "Just give him time" response...The other one is: "He's gotta clean up the mess the previous administration made"...Ok, is there some kinda time-table and how many Bounty towels is he going to need?..*I mention Bounty 'cause it's the quicker-picker-upper)...I'm all for adding time to the clock and providing more towels...I really want to see him succeed...Imma patient and a clean man....>mus, I wouldn't have voted for anybody else either...
Name: rootsyd
Comment: I saw the documentary, and even tho KRS and Griff's comments are not the most relevant voices in the film, what they stated was true. I think if you were a supporter of Obama, maybe you didn't know the dynamics behind him, and now more of that is coming out and it is clear from this documentary, Obama does not work for the american ppl, but for the Banking Cartel/Mafias. He is just following orders as any puppet can do. His decisions in 4 months only prove this as he leads the trail from the Bush Administration, ain't much changed.
Name: TGen
Comment: Musb: "What's the purpose of a movement if ur only goal was to win?" What a profound, thought-provoking statement! I disagree with you though, unlike you, had I known then of Obama's "let's just move forward" inclination, I can say unequivocally I would NOT have voted for him, and I believe A LOT of others would not have voted for him (maybe not a lot of other Blacks, but a lot of progressives would not have, trust).
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >Boot - it took Bush 8 years to f*ck things up as royally as they are. What do you consider to be a fair time table to fix 8 years of f*cking up? In line with Selah's analogy, if someone came along and burned your house to the ground, would you expect it to be put back in order completely the way it was before the fire - with all of your belongings, appliances, clothes, food, furniture, etc. - where they were before the fire in 100 days? And your construction company CEO you hired has to pick people to work for them - electricians, plumbers, drywall/painters and they have to reach out to all of the suppliers and wholesalers, etc. for the materials, etc. And they have to get permits to do the work from the county / municipality you live in. You expect all of that in 3 months? I'm just asking.
Name: jazzyinatx
Comment: Very simple: in order to feel/remain relevant, all you gotta do is say something outlandish about Obama. You are assured the standard 15 min of fame and the obligatory follow-up interview, for a fee of course. I for one am not surprised. I'm waiting on Michel'le or Roxanne Shante to come out and say she had Barak's love child 20 yrs ago.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: TGEN..I would have either voted the same way..or not voted at all. There is no way I would have voted for Hillary. No way at all. I personally don't think she would have done nething different than what Obama has currently done..since most of "his" cabinet is from "her" husbands administration. I liked Obama's personality, message and style of campaigning much, much better than hers. I have never been wholly pleased w/any presidential adminstration. I expect the same from Obama. But I will criticize him like i have every other POTUS. He's in the drivers seat and I'm no longer waiting for us to push the goal post back further. Don't complain cuz he needs to win, don't complain cuz he ain't got in office yet, don't complain cuz he ain't had enough time yet. Three years from, we'll be saying..don't complain because his first term not over..then "he's just in his 2nd term..give him a chance." He should be able to do many things at once and not just the economy and being mr. conciliator goes to washington.
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: > queenie, I hope it dosen't take 8 years..."cause he's only guaranteed 4...I said Imma patient man...I don't like the house burning down analogy...but if somebody burned it down...I have home owners insurance...So I'd be expecting a nice fat check...Yes, all my sh1t is itemized...I also keep all my important sh1t in a safety deposit box...Plus, my dog would bark and forewarn me...I'd lock and load and whack the arsonist...
Name: TGen
Comment: Then we just differ Musb. Had the "let's just move forward" Obama been running, I probably would have voted for someone else entirely, but if I had to choose between him and Hillary, it would have been Hillary over him because that would mean they would essentially have the same position. She would have had more experience and her ace in the hole (from my perspective) would have been her hubby. What Obama fails to realize is that he won precisely BECAUSE of his "Iraq was wrong" rhetoric. That's the only thing of substance that distinguished him from the Hillarys of the world. He knew this and exploited it. It is NOT okay for him to betray the ideals he touted in order to get people to vote for him. Let me stop because I'm getting angrier just thinking and writing about how bamboozled I feel.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >Boot - I only responded to your statement in the sense that we are asking him to build up a house that has pretty much been burned to the ground and even with your insurance you won't be back in your home in perfect condition in 100 days. You'll be using your check to stay elsewhere while your home is rebuilt. That's all I'm saying. As you know (so it doesn't seem like I'm patronizing you) an insurance check isn't a magic wand. I wish Obama the magic negro could presto change-o fix everything yesterday but he can't twitch his nose like on "Bewitched" and make e'rything okay immediately...I'm just saying
Name: Harriet
Comment: I knew that once the "fantastic voyage" that was President Obama's campaign and ascension ended, that we would return to the back-biting, conspiratorial, I wish failure upon you before you even try, crab mentality that this nation really is. I am not that old, but in my voting history I have never seen a president so vilified four months into a four year presidency. Since KRSOne is into conspiracy theories how about this one? What if some very rich Obama dissenters were really behind this "documentary?" What if the oldest game in the book is being applied- use one Black to bring another down? SOMETHING has made him switch from supporter to dissenter when it comes to the president. This documentary has more to do with the hatred of the capitalist system than the president. I think he was just thrown in there to market this mess, which I think is right up there with a box of chicken with the presidents image on it. THE NEW WORLD ORDER was founded by racist Aryans in an attempt to take over the world and restore white folks to "supremacy" and even with that history, I am to believe they have now allowed a mulatto to join their "club" and represent them? If this is what they have him doing in four months what is he going to be doing at eight months? Flying spaceships? KRSOne needs to get his irrelevant azz somewhere and sit down! All that I have ever seen him do is run his mouth.
Name: Lorraine315
Comment: Its one thing to disagree with Obama policies. I for one dont agree with everything our President does. Thats only natural not to agree with all of a president's policies- even if you did indeed vote for him. BUT by KRS ONE and Griff tossing around words like New World Order and fascism- they sound like those Tea Baggers, Savage, Beck and Rush fans.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: TGEN...I still accept (if that's possible) his "betrayal" light years ahead of what I would've accepted from Hillary. She and her husband showed how they really get down..and I am non too interested in much of nething else from them. I don't believe her experience would've placed her in any better position than were Obama currently is. The difference is that we would've had her trainwreck, arrogant, deceitful, adulterous, lying husband as first spouse. Much prefer Michelle. His stance on Iraq was not he only substantive difference..it was his entire campaign. His presentation, ideals, spokespersons etc..all modeled near perfection. Had Hillary been elected..the 90's vitriol would have returned and all the as.sociations to boot. I have no problem saying that I would (again) give Obama the same chance I gave those who look like Hillary and her husband. And we've seen what they did. Doubt if Obama does worse. Doubt that 100% No wool over these here eyes.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: All Obama dissenters will become "irrelevant" regardless of how much truth they used to speak. Now KRS..the man on the scene when hip-hop was gud..will now be relegated to Smiley'sm.
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...>queenie...Just joking with ya..I really can't give you a time-table...I'm just getting tired of the pat responses...I'm not so naeive to think President Obama can fix everything in a few months...I've been a big supporter but at times I've been critical...Sometimes I wonder that when Barak walked through that Whitehouse door and saw all this sh1t...He said WTF did I get myself into?
Name: Angel
Comment: I don't remember Obama EVER saying he was going to prosecute folks (Bush/Cheney) for Iraq on the campaign trail, so I'm not quite sure why people are surprised now with his "let's move on" stance...
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: He has been in the office for 100 days. Give me a break? These two need a hit, right?
Name: soulmusic101
Comment: McNasty...I feel ya...ya know is there is another rare video of Obama and Chavez, that has no audio. But the body language has Obama pointing a finger at Chavez. It was as if O was letting Chavez know I ain't George Bush and we need too stop the BS and work together...just my humble opinion but Obama had a serious look on his face and Chavez had that I am listening too a wise dude.
Name: JamerDelta
Comment: If these people could do more than criticize, they would...once again, one of my favorite quotes*************************'It's not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or when the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions and spends himself in a worth cause; who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement; and who at the worst if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat.' by Pres T. Roosevelt.
Name: g888
Comment: Harriet:It's a pleasure that you post here...
Name: JamerDelta
Comment: I wish you all would stop lumping people together. just because you think that its the right thing to do is to prosecute, doesn't mean that everyone does. I know that I don't and my views really have nothing to do with Obama. I believe in the Law of Attraction and that what you focus on is what you get period. I have had this world view way before I knew what an Obama was. Whatever you focus on is what you get. You focus on the past, you keep getting the past. You focus on the future then you will get better in the present. Its not a matter of right or wrong. Most people, I understand, don't look at life like that--which is absolutely fine--but there are also a lot of people who look at life differently and agree with me. You have the right to your views as do I, but don't keep saying that everyone agrees on prosecution because that's not true. Frankly, I believe it would cause more division in America which is the last thing we as a country need right now. The problem is that as human beings we always want to be right at the detriment of lifting each other up.
Name: TGen
Comment: Musb: "Doubt if Obama does worse." You mean worse than Clinton? Seriously? What was SO bad about Clinton? I think he was a dang good president. And btw, so does Obama, he's pretty much tried to copy BillC since he azzumed office, lol, appointing the same people and errrything. Again, we just have different views. You seem to really personally dislike Hillary, I guess mostly based on her tactics during the campaign. But what you don't see is that had Obama come with the "let's just move forward" thing up front, it wouldn't have even been close, you would have never seen the beast side of Hillary, she would have won by a landslide barnone. The reality is I gives a dang about Obama's "style," it's great that he was good in presentation, but I cared about what he said, what he pretended to stand for and against. Had he azzumed the same position on things then as he does now (which mirror Hillary's), he would have lost. Hillary won 95% of the debates, she had the shine of her husband's successful presidency, and she had more national recognition. The ONLY thing that distinguished Obama was his pretending to be progressive, esp on issues surrounding Bush and Iraq. Had that distinction not been there, there would NOT be 'President Obama' as we speak, mark my words. Dude is a calculating son of a gun, no doubt.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >Lorraine, etc. - (off subject) Stop saying "tea bagging"! Every time someone writes it/says it I think of Samantha explaining what it is to Charlotte on Sex and the City. LOL
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Jamer? Law of attraction? What you focus on is what you get? lol. Obama focused on the last 8 years, the previous 8 years before that and the misdeeds/illegal acts committed by the last administration. He ended up winning the white house. Not sure how that applies to you "moving forward" world view. Most democrats agreed w/holding bush et. al accountable for what they did. That's a upholding the law world view..not excusing the past one. I'm not even sure if that's what you really believe. Breaking the law is a crime...but upholding it is backwards looking? That's..uhm...strange. We don't need to excuse criminal behavior over polling. That's what we accused the last administration of doing.
Name: JamerDelta
Comment: I, also would like to know when Pres. Obama said that he would prosecute for the Iraq war. Also, it seems to me tht the people who are the most critical of him expected him to do something to change their life instantly or something. I don't get it. What was he supposed to do that he isn't doing after less than a 100 days? I find that he's addressing Education, the economy, foreign affairs, energy, health care (most are saying that he's doing too much)and havint to deal with congress to get it done. I mean what else was he supposed to do? This is not a dictatorship...was he supposed to come to your house and help your family, I mean ONLY YOU can make real changes in your life. Like really...I just don't get it?
Name: Harriet
Comment: g888- Why thank you.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >Boot - I've said the same thing. Eddie Murphy talked about black people vs. white people in horror movies in either Delirious or Raw. He said white people move in despite hearing "Get out!" Black people hear "Get out!" and they're like, "Baby, we got to get the f*ck outta here." and leave. Same thing with Obama. He walked in with the wife and kids and mom-in-law, saw the "ghosts" of Bush's admin, heard them say, "Get out" and stayed anyway. Perhaps that was his white side, though that doesn't explain Michelle staying with him...but if it were me, I wouldn't even have set my bag down, seeing the pile of work on the desk in the Oval Office. So I co-sign that one. LOL ...on another note, I have been responding to you because I'm not "going there" w/TGen or Musb, the die-hard Obama haters. I didn't even know KRS One and Prof Griff were still even alive, much less relevant. I wonder how Chuck D feels about all of this. And where the hell is X-Clan? And what about Poor Righteous Teachers? Where they at? LOL
Name: naturalsista
Comment: Breaking News - President Barack Obama is leaving the door open to possible prosecution of Bush administration officials who devised harsh terrorism-era interrogation tactics. He also said Tuesday that he worries about the impact of high-intensity hearings on how detainees were treated under former President George W. Bush. But Obama did say, nevertheless, he could support a Hill investigation if it were conducted in a bipartisan way. Obama has said he doesn't support charging CIA agents and interrogators who took part in waterboarding and other harsh interrogation tactics, acting on advice from superiors that such practices were legal. But he also said that it is up to the attorney general whether to prosecute Bush administration lawyers who wrote the memos approving these tactics.
Name: JamerDelta
Comment: MUSB, no offense, but you have no idea what I'm talking about. Just like the Law of gravity, The Law of attraction is always at work. problem is, most people don't know it. That which is like unto itself is drawn...it is a universal law not a man-made legality that you are discussing. If you fell like it, you can google. But no need for you to understand. All I'm saying is that if you think about a relationship, a lot of times people stay focused on their past love that did them wrong and stay mired in that instead of moving forward...not the best analogy but something to that effect. Whether he choosese to prosecute or not, the question is: will that be the best thing for the country...my answer is no. I know that yours is different and that's fine.
Name: Harriet
Comment: JamerDelta- Good morning soror. None of the things that I deem most important have center stage with the president right now and those things are education, healthcare, and the treatment of women and children in this country. Those are the things that are important to me. Four months into the game I am not byatchng and whining because those issues haven't garnered the attention from the administration that I think it deserves. I have taken into account Afghanistan and Iraq and the economy and the foreclosures and the summit and the banks and insurance companies and budgets and pirates and mass killings of immigrants and foreign policy, and understand that those are pressing matters and must be dealt with as such. I don't understand why people who want the President to fast-fix everything as they pick apart his every effort aren't willing to give the man a chance. Have we forgotten about chance in this country? After you get hope you need a chance. He rode on a campaign of hope and we rode with him and now we won't give him a chance. The man needs to be given a chance.
Name: TGen
Comment: "But he also said that it is up to the attorney general whether to prosecute Bush administration lawyers who wrote the memos approving these tactics." Great, how convenient to put Holder on the chopping block, lol. But it's all good, that's the AG's job and I'm hoping TO GOD he does NOT let us down. HOLDER, DO YOUR JOB PLEASE!!! (I have no doubt that if/when you do, your president will try to azzume credit for it, but whatever, just DO YOUR JOB and BRING that s.o.b. George W Bush to justice!)
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: TGEN..I've expressed my disdain and lack of respect I have for the Clintons before. I've not respected her husband long before her and long before they campaigned for her 2nd political office. So ur only partly correct and mostly wrong..lol I don't know what woulda/coulda w/Obama had he [insert whatever] when campaigning against Hillary. I do know that if I had the choice again..I still would vote for him. I believe Hillary won her share of debates. But Obama convinced me more than he disappointed me. If I were judging off of one-liners..then yeah..she won. I give a dang about Obama's style just like I give a damn about Bush and Cheney's. So yeah Hillary did win some, had the best of the best around her and STILL LOST to a virtual nobody. W/all the advantages known to modern man...she and her husband LOST. *of course only to be rewarded by Ghandi* The biggest thing that "initially" distinguished Obama was his nonsupport (of sorts) for the war. From there, we grew to like most things about him..things we couldn't find in any of the other candidates.
Name: Harriet
Comment: queeniebunz- The people that you mentioned (XClan, Poor Righteous Teachers and others) are probably actually DOING something to make the lives of their families and those around them in their communities better instead of spewing propaganda they way that KRSOne is doing.
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ....I thought he SUSPOSED TO: Feed the hungry, Heal the sick, Raise the dead, Franchise the disinfranchised, Choose a dog *(Did that), House the homeless, Pick the DIV.1 National Hoops Champion *(Did that), Legalize the Cannabis sativa plant...
Name: JamerDelta
Comment: "...let US down" TGen, please stop speaking for other people. Whether they prosecute or not, has no bearing on my life. So, I know for sure you are not speaking for me and I'm sure others as well. You are welcome to your opinions but please don't extrapolate. Thanks!
Name: Harriet
Comment: BOOT- You left out cure cancer. I've seen people get more time to fix a car than the president gets to fix a country.
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: >Dayum queenie, I thought you were responding to me cause you were developing an attraction...For deese Boots...
Name: JamerDelta
Comment: LOL Boot!Put a chicken in every pot, Eradicate racism, strike down communism, cure poverty, sight the blind, make thoughtful decisions (does that) be a family man (is that) all within 100 days! job done go back to Chicago...
Name: TGen
Comment: JamerDelta, WHO ARE YOU? Why do you azzume you are important enough to be included in the "us" I was speaking of??? You've made your position known and we are OBVIOUSLY on opposite ends of the spectrum, so what in the WORLD made you think I was "speaking for you?" The "us" I was referring to were INDEPEDENT-minded Americans who give a damn about the law, moreso than co-signing everything the president does. You are CLEARLY not in that group, so please stay in YOUR lane. I can hope the AG does his job for ME and people like ME if I so choose w/o being confronted by people who have NO clue how to think independently of the status quo. Gracias.
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: >Harriet, you mean to tell me he hasn't cured cancer yet?....Aw fucc that...Imma have to re-think my vote...
Name: JamerDelta
Comment: LOL Soror Harriet, you are so on point!
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: QB..I'm as much an Obama hater as you are a man/lil black boy hater. Jamer...in this case..we're talking about politics. Politics does not conform to the natural order of things." There are deals made in politics that fall outside of that order. I don't think this universal law and applicable politics is a good comparison at all. One u can change..one u cannot. You can change your detainee policy to not include torture..but if somebody ends up being waterboarded again..this universal/cosmic law u speak of becomes irrelevant to what actual laws are supposed to do. You can't change karma. Harriet..that's the beauty...u can have ur own views on matters of importance...and so can we. Democrats bytched and whined the entire 8 years. So they should be the last to talk about virtual complaining.
Name: JamerDelta
Comment: 'independent minded americans" says the woman who won't even go to a movie unless some critic tells her to...Anyway, you are right about something...I'm not really all that concerned about man made laws because I live my life in accordance with Universal laws...no need for you to try to figure it out. I did say that you were entitled to your opinion, didn't I? Just don't try to include everyone in it...when you use the word 'us' that is what you do. English 101
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Jamer..from your posts, I detect a tone of "people asking for a handout"..I hope ur not one of those snobbish, look at me i'm a testimony black folk whose interests fail to cross the threshhold of only what's beneficial to them. Look at me, because I did this, went to school here, achieved this. Yay...look at me.
Name: TGen
Comment: Okay JamerDelta, whatever you say. If you want (and it seems like you do) I'll include you in my "us" because actually you are included. You don't know it but Bush being prosecuted is good for ALL Americans because it's good for this country. You don't realize that yet, but you will...
Name: JamerDelta
Comment: Musb, trust me, politics or not, nothing is immune from Universal laws. I don't care how good or bad you are or whatever your political persuasions may be, if you jump off a building without a parachute, you will go *SPLAT* that's the law of gravity--its always at work. No matter what, The Law of Attraction, the most powerful law in the universe is always at work just like the law of gravity...unfortunately, most people aren't aware of it. ONCE AGAIN, you or anyone else reading my posts, don't have to agree, I'm just letting you know where I'm coming from. I control what happens in my life not Pres. Obama or anyone else, which is why I don't get why people get so up in arms about what he's doing...is that really making that much of a difference in your personal life negatively whether or not he prosecutes. He's already said absolutely no to torture so he won't repeat those mistakes...again, you don't have to agree...this is my view...
Name: Harriet
Comment: musbdherbs- I said nothing about "virtual complaining." I said a chance. Something he deserves.
Name: JamerDelta
Comment: Musb, huh? I don't get that last post...what are you talking about? 'people asking for a handout" come again? that is probably the furthest from my thinking. I believe in universal healthcare, I halfway don't even believe in borders...the earth and its resources are for everyone and we could take care of all the world's ills if we could only just come together. there would be no poverty etc. but I digress...what do you mean?
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: musbdherbs> Because of WAR and the ECONOMY.
Name: JamerDelta
Comment: TGEN, i really don't understand why you get so affronted when someone doesn't agree with you...it really isn't that deep. I'm not saying you are wrong...I'm just saying that I differ. Why is it that you can't accept that? Just so you understand a little bit more of my view on things I see this all this time with family members of murder victims etc. they get so caught up in going after the killer that they put their own lives on hold, sometimes destroying other relationships in their lives, they focus on this to the detriment of anything else and finally when that person is caught, they are left with broken relationships and a feeling of emptiness because that will never bring their loved one back. My view is to honor your loved one, focus on creating better relationships with the people who are still here and concentrate on living your best life. That is the best revenge...wheter or not the killer is caught. that person will be taken care of in the grand scheme of things. they will reap what they sow. Again, MY View.
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: JamerDelta> You are right on the money today! I agree wholeheartedly!
Name: librason
Comment: Not to get all up in the bidness, but if anyone believes that Hillary Clinton would prosecute anyone from the Bush cartel is not being honest with themselves. She was in step with them on these issues. She was one of the chief Bush regime enablers the way she voted. We are not going to agree with err-thing this man does. But at least he is doing or trying to do what he campiagned on and that's more than I can say for most.
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: Tavis Smiley, knows that his approach was wrong. He used the media in such a way to strong arm, so one who was fighting for his political life. I don't think that he expects us to defend him. He knows deep down, he tried to use his position and his connection with blacks to force Obama into embarrassment, but it back fired. And he has no one to blame but himself. Obama was asked about Smiley situation while he was on the compaign trail and the "calling out Obama" Obama replied "he has my telephone number, when he want to talk".
Name: TGen
Comment: Jamer, okay, so you support closing all courts and abolishing all "man-made" laws so that the "universal law" can rule, correct? [Please don't take this the wrong way], but I think you have read too many New Age books and are taking them to the extreme. You can apply those universal lessons you learned to modern-society, JamerDelta, truly you can. And while your idealistic view of "prosecuting = looking back" is understandable, it is simplistic and dangerous. Bush cannot be allowed to get away with what he did, not so much for his own "punishment" per se (because you're right, he will get that whether or not the gov prosecutes him or not), but it's for PRECEDENT. You CANNOT set a precedent that laws don't matter, that a president can LIE people into death and destruction and there are no consequences. That sets a bad and dangerous precedence. Please try to step out of your naive, rose-colored box and think more "deeply" (your favorite word) about what you're saying. You sound like you're just parroting ish you've read without using even a modicum of indepdendent thought, it's truly sad that anyone can be that gullible.
Name: TGen
Comment: Librasion, you are correct, I'm not sure how said otherwise. In fact, I stated just what you stated, that Hillary had Bush-lite positions--and that's why she lost. Obama did not and that's ultimately why he won. He didn't get Bush-lite til towards the end of the campaign and during his presidency which doesn't say much about his integrity. In fairness, I saw him speaking to the CIA about "supporting you and you are safe, I will not blame you for following your superiors' orders" and he looked piqued and uncomfortable, I thinking it's because his conscience was wrestling with him. Lo and behold, Naturalsista posts today that he decides to say that he is open to prosecuting higher-up officials. I think that is a result of both his own conscience and pressure from his ($) supporters on the progressive end. Which is fine by me. I don't care what makes him see the light, long as he finally sees it.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: JAmer...not really gonna debate the cosmic science. Both TGEN and I are letting u know where we're coming from but u still feign "confusion" about why we feel a certain way even when our simple view has been expressed. You don't get it because u don't see it as others to. Seems easy enough for me to understand. You don't get up in arms over what a POTUS does. That;s your thing. Getting up in arms is somebody else's. Nobody is asking u 2 agree. ++I based my comment on ur "was he supposed to come to your house and help your family, I mean ONLY YOU can make real changes in your life." This is a sentiment u consistently share when people question Obama. Don't confuse a philosophy of self-reliance w/a reasonable criticism of action/inaction of a POTUS. Wanting Obama to prosecute criminals is not asking for a personal handout. Black people criticizing a POTUS is not asking for a handout. That's very limbaugh'sh, white and republican of you.
Name: Stephanie
Comment: After watching Min Farrakhan at Savior's Day, I became convinced that there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY Obama can fix this troubled economy. I feel he has good intentions but what irks me is how the government is constantly telling us that things are getting better but in California the unemployment rate is over 11%. They're cutting money from the elderly, they're closing oncology medical clinics leaving people to die, people are taking out their whole families. You know its really a sad day when teachers and educators are getting laid off like field hands. My husband has been employed with the City of San Diego for over 20 years and has to take 6% pay cut. Most people got I.O.U's for their tax returns, nobody is hardly getting hefty tax returns like before. So WTF is the change??? The reality is, George Bush screwed this country with no Vaseline and nobody is making him or his cabinet liable. Greed had literally become the end of America. Do you realize instead of giving out bailout money to large corporations, the government could have given every tax paying household one million dollars tax free and still had money left over??? That would have stimulated the economy and got us back on track. We are doomed and I'd respect Obama more if he would just be straight up and tell us, America, we're f@ucked! The U.S. troops don't need to be in the middle east. Those folks have been fighting each other since before Christ and America is supposed to help them come to peace??? Pulease...Bring ALL the troops home and fix the situation here that's broken into a million pieces. As much as it pains me, I am feeling KRS One...
Name: JamerDelta
Comment: MUSB, and TGEN>>go at it. how you (musb) relate me saying what I said to asking for a handout is beyond me. No, I don't get what more you expect from him besides him running a good gov't and providing services for those who need them. The fact still remains that no matter how many services are available if one does not take the steps to call or DO something, then they are still as.sed out...I don't get how that's limbaughish?? TGen, you just like calling names...not interested.
Name: JamerDelta
Comment: Stephanie, I actually do get a lot of what you are saying and definitely agree about the war stuff...the problem is though, this is not a monarchy or a dictatorship...there are 3 branches of gov't that things have to go through in order to make them law and Pres. Obama can't just give executive orders for everything and congress is so partisan that a lot of people would cut off their noses to spite their faces just to not make him look good.
Name: TGen
Comment: JamerDelta, I was called a "bytch" and told "double-fock" me yesterday on this site, so um, you haven't heard "name-calling" lol. But whatever, if that's what you reduce to my LONG post to, so be it. It's convenient for you to not be challenged, to stay in your little New Age corner and drown out reality, so cool. Do you...
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: JAmer..in this discussion, can you point to ne1 who has suggested that Obama is failing to provide a "service" to them. Can you point to it any other articles about him on here? Who's disputing that? What we are talking about is holding criminals accountable. Yet, ur focus is on the government not being there to clean your house. Maybe you don't realize it but whenever Obama or the gov't for that matter is questioned..ur consistent meme goes back to self-reliance. We can't self-rely ourselves into prosecuting the Bush administration. We can't cosmic universe ourselves there either. I've said what I wanted. I want him to hold criminals accountable for criminal acts...based on rules established under the Geneva convention. Our views on the role/responsibility of the POTUS are obviously different. I'm not confused by that and understand why we are on two different sides. Not sure why u don't get that by now. I do..which is y i'm not confused..lol
Name: librason
Comment: TGen, I missed that point but I'm glad you restated. I agree with your point though. But the fact that he is receptive to imput is to his credit... he may be on CPT but like you, he is a critical thinker.
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...My hope is that we get a battle royale outta this...It's been too long since we've had a battle worth talking 'bout...A battle that makes young and old headz take notice...A battle that revives hip-hop...On one hand we'd have Kris and Griff...I'm sure others will fall in line...On the other hand we'd have President Obama supporters- Jay, Luda...ect...Can't wait for the battle lines to be drawn...The dis-tapes...The remotes from BET and MTV...The Sunday Morning talking head shows..Larry King hosting...Dr Dyson moderating..."The Bama-Rama"..."Is he is or is he ain't, Ya'll baybee?"....
Name: barnone
Comment: MOTHER> what did griff say about the money hungry, blood sucking jews?
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ....Who's side will YOU fall on?...Will Diddy make T-shirts?...To Bash or Not to Bash?...The Obama Question...What a boom to the economy this may turn out to be....
Name: Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: >naturalsista- Thanks for the update. I really do hope the AG prosecutes Bushco. I'm old enough to remember Nixon's "If the president does it, it's not illegal" statement during the Watergate scandal. If Bushco gets off scott free with war crimes, it will truly be a sad day for America. We will reinforce the message that, yes, some people ARE above the law. I don't see why we can't "move forward" and still hold folks accountable for their crimes at the same time. Thousands of U.S. soldiers died and were maimed needlessly, their and their family's lives have been changed forever. Not to mention the thousands of Iraqi civilians killed, and the millions of them permanently displaced all because Bushco wanted to continue feeding the military industrial complex and further fatten the pockets of their boys at Haliburton. I wonder how these victims and their families feel about "moving forward" and basically letting Bushco get away with murder. I would venture to assume that it does not set well with them. Meanwhile, the White House just gave AIG $30 billion MORE dollars to pizz away... *smh*
Name: Stephanie
Comment: I just really got to thinking about the whole entire situation because it now effects our household. In 2003, I bought my house for $280K during the time when homes were double priced. It was a total fixer upper but I am so glad I took this home buyer course at a local church. My mortgage including property taxes and insurance isn't even $2,000. I have never refinanced or taken out any money and my rate is fixed. At one point, I had enough equity in my house to pay it off, now its dwindled down to nothing because we have 3 or 4 foreclosures on our street. I didn't create this mess so therefore, I shouldn't have to pay the consequences. I now have to start giving my grandmother $100 a month which is fine because they keep cutting her SSI check and after her bills are paid, she has like about $50 to last for the month. The blessing is I have the means to do it but she worked and payed taxes and the illegals can get more than she does and now she can't be taken care of by her country? I'm mad as hell...I really am.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: I forgot to answer one...it is limbaugh'sh of u to conclude that black people questioning government action, intervention or the like is askin to asking for a handout.
Name: JamerDelta
Comment: I've retired to my rose-colored world...loving it!
Name: JamerDelta
Comment: MUSB, please stop smoking...I never ever ever said anything like that ...that isn't even anywhere near what I believe. You are really off base here. where did i ever say that. y'all are crazy...I quit.
Name: TGen
Comment: CO-SIGN Closet-Nerd-Girl. EXCELLENT post!!!
Name: Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: >TGEN- Thanks! >BOOT- "Battle Royale" now THAT's funny!!!
Name: McNasty
Comment: It would cost more money, time, resources and staff to prosecute bushit'nem and in the grand scheme of things our focus needs to be on pushing forward and straightening out the mess we're in. Because of his political connections it would take years to bring bushit all of his cronies to justice. They haven't gotten away with anything because as Obama does move forward the shat bushit pushed under the rug will be unearthed and if serious enough - he will have to answer for it then I'd rather Obama concentrate on the agenda at hand, ignore the naysayers and rappers learning new words and keep doin' what he's doin'. Its enough for me to know right now that bushit's name won't be worth the paper its printed on when his reign ends up in the history books. All his dirt legal and less than legal will be printed there as well.
Name: DCHICK85
Comment: My question is this. Can they do a better job? If you can't add to the solution then I think the best thing for you to do is sit in a corner and hush it. I knew that blacks would come out the woodworks against him but not KRS One the most politically charged rapper on the planet it seems. Well all I have to say is this....He in there so let the man do his job. Last I checked there was only one brother with his hand up taking an oath and it wasn't KRS One and Professor Griff....
Name: justafu
Comment: I just lost the last lil' bit of respect I ever had for KRS now MINUS ONE!
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Jamer...nobody asked Obama to come clean their house either. It didn't stop u from concluding that's what people wanted. 'Nas..based on the geneva convention..it's fair to say that what has been unearthed..is criminal. Not sure what is more serious than torture. It's always been serious IMO and a democratic principle people fought against..before November 4 that is. DCchick..none of us could have done a better job than what Bush did. Yet, it didn't stop us from our weekly..i mean daily anti-bush ravings. But I must remember..all is forgotten and forgiven when Obama won. Look at him..he's a testimony. It was yt folk, who gave him..the opportunity..look at him..he's a testimoney.
Name: JamerDelta
Comment: yeah! what McNasty said. Musb, I quit talking to you today, because you don't understand what i said and you keep repeating fallacies...if you can bring up a qutote where i said anything about Pres. Obama cleaning anyone's house, then I'll send you $100...ok?
Name: Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: >McNasty- If there's enough money to keep shoveling billions into the black hole that is the corporate welfare program, then there is enough money to uphold the law.
Name: Harriet
Comment: JamerDelta- Soror, do not waste your time trying to get anonymous people to "get" you. They are not worth it.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Name: JamerDelta Comment: "This is not a dictatorship...was he supposed to come to your house and help your family, I mean ONLY YOU can make real changes in your life." Ok ur right..I apologizing for misinterpreting the above comment. It's not that I don't understand wut u r saying. It's that because I'm not saying what you are saying...u don't understand me. No biggie. And no thanks on the $100 (lawd knowz I needz it) don't want u to think I'm asking for a handout even though I would only be honoring my end of the verbal contract..lolol.
Name: JamerDelta
Comment: Thanks Harriet! I must have forgotten where I was..LOL people like to twist and turn things...oh well!
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: Jamer..u said u didn't..I provided the exact quote. Please don't backtracka nd blame me for some'n u did..or at least failed to clarify. Oh well. Re: Obama's new position on prosecutions. This seems to be in line w/his previous reversals which have always proven been subject to change..pending public outcry. Rev. Wright is like an uncle. Rev. Wright meets bottom of Obama tour bus. Wholeheartedly against wiretapping..for wiretapping. We're not gonna prosecute...I'll leave it up to the AG. He has a history of stepping out in front..and then backing that azz up. I guess he shouldn't be criticized for reversals either..since the economy is so fkd up.
Name: Harriet
Comment: We done moved around to the "other" news and the health report concerning Black Women. Over there, we are talking about big booty's and body image and bowed legs. Enough of this Obama for and against for one day. If this is what it is like after four months in four years ya'll gone be in straight jackets!
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: Stephanie> We are not DOOMED as you put it. If we had that defeatus attitude, we wouldn't have come out of the Great Depression. We wouldn't have survived Slavery & the wars to end it. I don't want to sound like a commercial, but America has had some great comebacks and I don't think this one will take us down. We need to press forward. We all have a part to play. This should be the time that Black Americans go back to school, so we can step our game up. Start doing more in our communities, etc. We can sit around and complain and criticize or we can get in the game.
Name: TesticAl
Comment: GAWD DAMN! Look at KRS' nostrils! That niggah's nostrils are like a vacuum. Breathin' up the white man's air and shyt. LOL!
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: Rev. Wright are you serious! He was on some type of media trip after a while. His church as done good work. But some of his language was unchristian like. He was starting to lose his mind at one point. But I'm happy that he has rebound.
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...CTFU@TA...That muthafuccer does have some big-azz nostrils...I gotta remember to keep my sh1t outta range....
Name: TesticAl
Comment: LOL at Boot! He said he has to keep his shyt outta range. LOL! You're crazy homey.
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: TesticAl> LOL... Your silly! "Breathing up the white man's air" LOL...
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: I'll say this - I'm glad people on here are reading and following things. I just wish some of y'all (you know who you are) weren't so Lou Dobbs about things. All Oscar the Grouch-ish. Ain't nuthin good happenin. Ain't nuthin right. Could find something wrong with a 75 degree sunny spring day. We have an intelligent, accomplished, good Christian husband/father/[black] man in office who is trying to clean up the mess left behind by Bush and all that's happening on here by some is criticism. I agree with McNasty. We don't have the time/energy/money to deal with the prosecution of Bush and his mess. Stephanie is dead on - we need to make sure we use the money (left) in government to take care of the elderly and this sick, etc. I would rather her grandmother get the money it would take to prosecute those monsters. Save that for later. It's about choosing battles and choosing WHEN to fight battles = prioritizing.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >Test - and I thought it was just me that thought he has a nose an aardvark would be proud of...
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: QB..now stop. Ur post would be believable had democrats focused on the future (over the past 8 years) instead of the past. Now that Obama's in..we got new on us. Really...it's amazing the lockstepness of some blacks..if not most. No more prosecutions...save that money for medicare. Really...it's amazing. I wonder if I was arrested for drug possession w/intent to distribute..would I be able to tell the judge that I should be less of a priority and that the money used to jail me..should be diverted to pay for Head Start. Really...my people..my people...first to support..last to benefit.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: LOL@AL...that sounds like some Uncle Ruckus shyt right there.
Name: 1VAsweetsexy
Comment: Does anyone know if KRS1 or Prof Griff blog?? I usually respect what KRS1 says but I want to know where is all of this coming from..I really thought KRS would have a different approach..Prof Griff doesn't surprise me...President Obama here's another one!!!
Name: TesticAl
Comment: Herbs,ladybyrd, and queenie, glad you guys saw the humor in that. I was expecting to get flamed. LOL at Uncle Ruckus! Now that I think about it, he would say something like that.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >musb- There are a lot of inconsistencies in govt I'd deal with differently. Example - we have illegal immigrants with balls as big as church bells who will hold marches of thousands of people to protest their treatment. These fools are breaking the law same as I broke into your house and stole your stuff. BUT I can't hold a rally of thieves and complain that we thieves have rights! We should be able to break all up in yo sh*t and take what the hell we want and erybod just gotta like it or learn to love it. That doesn't happen but these millions of law breakers get their butts on their back and cry racism and all that other bullsh*t when they get called out for being in this country illegally. I'm like GTFOH with that sh*t but they get to stay and they go to school tax free and drive w/o insurance and rape people and rob people all of that and they don't get penalized. THAT sucks but it's pushed under the rug and it shouldn't be...but such is life, right?!
Name: jazz
Comment: PART ONE: I normally don’t comment, but found that I had to pop in on this conversation. I will start here… follow the money. What I mean by that is this, when we refresh our memory on the U.S. Constitution and even The Bill of Rights, we will find some interesting facts. Our nation began with Gold and Silver only, paper money was not part of what is written in the Constitution. Hopefully that single statement will raise an eye. Printing money out of thin air is not going to solve this economic problem. I’ll add these two things; 1) The Federal Reserve is not part of the government. It has changed our nation and even the world, 2) The IRS is one of the biggest cons this country has ever seen. Also, research Sherry Peel Jackson—the facts in her case knocked me on my seat. Here are a couple of quotes to ponder; "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President. And then there’s this one; “I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.” – Woodrow Wilson, expressing regret for signing The Federal Reserve Act. 1913 is a very significant year to research too.
Name: jazz
Comment: PART TWO: And as for Mr. Obama, well, from what I’ve been watching he’s done several 180’s in his short term. Here are a few examples; pre-election he said give him 16 months and he’ll have the Troops home, post-election, he now seems to be saying he needs 24 months. Another thing that should make us all say “hmm”… is moving forward with the Patriot Act instead of repealing it. That, to me, makes him a pretty scary dude. I believe our last real president was JFK, everyone since is just a puppet. Again… follow the money. I like TGen and Stephanie’s comments so far in this discussion, but some posting really do give me great pause. Our eyes really need to be opened widely to see what is actually happening in plain view. And the comments about KRS One… let me just say this… he’s been quite the community activist for sometime now. He is still quite relevant, especially on the East Coast. His nostrils have nothing to do with this topic. And finally, I’ve seen the documentary that got this dialogue rolling. Instead of it being called; “The Obama Deception”, it should be called; “The Great Deception”. I can’t say this enough… follow the money. Have a great day all—peace.
Name: musbdherbs
Comment: QB..uhm..hunh?
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >musb - my point is that there are a lot of other things that are totally f*cked up and waste kazillions of dollars and are totally against the law but they aren't even thought about. In that regard, I don't even really understand such outrage about the Bush admin and the terrorism sh*t when people are being put out in the street/losing jobs, etc. It's all messed up. It just is but what can you do? Really. What can you do to fix all the f*cked up %*$! going on right now? I would never want his job. Never.
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: jazz> Are you serious? How can you judge his presidency, when he has served 100 days! Are you really serious... My goodness, what's wrong with people..
Name: jazz
Comment: ladybyrd-- Yes, I'm quite serious. Again, our last real president was JFK. He was not afraid to attempt real change. Obama could be in office for 600 days, but he's not going to be allowed to do anything other that what he's being told. If you follow the money... you'll begin to truly understand what is really happening in that office. I'm not singling Obama out, I'm saying every single president since JFK are merely puppets.
Name: jazz
Comment: queeniebunz-- here's a radical suggestion on what we can really do to fix this country's long history of the same mess, because it didn't just start today. As "tax payers", it would bring this entire fraud to it's knees. Stop paying taxes, because there is no law that requires it. It's the best kept secret/myth. One thing is for certain, they can't lock up every citizen that's for sure. And when you discover as I have that there is no law that actually requires it, it will really make you mad as hell. Again, follow the money and it will lead you to the truth of all the bull that is happening within our government structure.
Name: 1VAsweetsexy
Comment: I watched the trailor and found it to be 20sec 30sec sound bites and did anybody else notice how they made Obama to be the devil..pointy ears, etc. this plays in to the psyche tht Obama is the Anti-Christ...MY opinion and I am entitled...no love lost for KRS or Griff..just......WOW!!!!!
Name: allaboutlydia
Comment: JamerDelta this Law of Attraction you keep referring to is GOD. GOD is the greatest power in the universe. He CREATED the universe.
Name: jazz
Comment: Alright... for those who are interested, you'd be wise to check this out. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=52326393290023 39531 copy and paste into your browser. The 12 years it's taken me to research this subject, has now been made into a documentary. I keep saying follow the money... well... here is a good place to start. Don't take my word or even theirs, but I can't stress enough how important it is to do you own research. And re-read the U.S. Constitution and The Bill of Rights-- two of the baddest documents on the planet, in my opinion.
Name: oldsoul
Comment: Jazz> i feel you. i'm curious, though...i tried the link but the video is no longer available (on my computer)-- what is it about, in general? outside of that question for Jazz i was just gonna sit back and observe on this one but the premise behind the article/documentary is sooo deep and i couldn't let all the bullsh*t comments about KRS ride, so i'ma say some things as briefly as i can...i fully supported President Obama during the campaign - for many years i've understood the POTUS is a "figurehead" with limited power - at first i was skeptical [of Obama] then i felt his running/election was Divinely ordered (essentially All things are but that's another topic) - i've been impressed with the initiative(s) he's put in place, most of the bills he's signed into law, and the overall can-do attitude he governs with - what i've read of, seen and heard from the First Lady makes her a true model of Excellence [to me] BUT with all that said, in the back of my mind i've always thought "these people [Barack and Michelle] have got to know way more than i know about this government...but they still want to be part of it, try to change something they [alone] are powerless to do?" and all of that brings back to Divine Order. and if Father/Mother got your back, it's a wrap-- no wickedness will prosper. of course, none of us can say for sure either way - right now. that's why i'll shut my mouth and watch the documentary, first, before i start dissin' these brothers which i wouldn't do even if it turned-up bogus (the documentary, that is)...KRS has consistently spoke truth to power - openly, but the same ones that talk sh*t about him are the first ones to make Hip-Hop the fall guy for everything that's fuct up in the country/communithat been too much of a positive force form an opinion on my brother KRS-ONE. who, for those that don't know, has been a positive force in Hip-Hop for over 20 years
Name: oldsoul
Comment: ...like i was sayin', they are the same ones that talk sh*t about Hip-Hop being responsible for this and that but you won't hear much from them when Hip-Hop does something positive...like making you ask serious questions. NOTE: that post was supposed to end with "country/community" but it got sent in by mistake. anyway, this has gotten too long but ya know, what the f**k do the man's nostrils got to do with a documentary? that's his Carribean which is African which is Us which is you. self-hate is muhf*cka...
Name: jazz
Comment: Hi oldsoul--- when you cut and paste the link, just remove the space. (i don't know why it put a space in there when i pasted the link on my message.) I just checked it and it's still there. the title is called Fiat Empire. Brace yourself though... you'll want a stiff drink after you get through it! And thank you for your input on Obama-- I too shared your initial vibe of Obama, but it was just a little something that gave me pause. I felt I'd said more than enough already, so I condensed my thoughts. And Eurweb... as long as I've been coming to your site, this is the very first time I've seen a subject envoke so much dialogue... don't you think you should keep this story on your front page for a few days instead of archiving it so soon? I mean, there was a time when I was a new viewer who just stumbled onto your website and I'm sure there are others out there who might do the same. Just a thought.
Name: jazz
Comment: Oldsoul-- one more thing... thanks for the comments on KRS One-- I am really amazed a some of the comments too about him. The brother is truly involved in a very positive way on the front lines for far too long. The nostril comments just let's you know how far off base some people are about things. The black community as a whole is not even in "the game". And people in general are supposedly taught not to judge a book by it's cover, but that's exactly what the masses will do. How can we of all people make comments about our noses? where is the self love? I'm just saying...
Name: oldsoul
Comment: good looking out, Jazz...i'm on my way out but i will check it ltr. lol...nothing will surprise me, if people only knew the dastardly type of sh*t that goes on behind the scenes - many would lose their minds, fa real...not because it's just that overwhelming but because too many people haven't gone thru life doing their own due diligence but instead taking everything they see and hear at face value usually thru the tell-lie-vision and ray-d-o and the grapevine. damm, i gotta go but hit me up at phundmntl@aol.com when you get some free space - pls put something in the subject line so that i know it's you, i don't use that address much...it's a lot more to talk about. peace...
Name: ChosinFew
Comment: Chris and Griff are has beens. When did they last have hit, heck when did they last have a recording out, about 20 years ago? Both talk about "they", who are "they"? This shows that fools, like crayons, come in all colors.
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: jazz> What did JFK do in his first 100 days?? First real president to have change, he also had the Vietnam War, do you remember that? How many died? Why didn't he bring them home?
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: jazz> Yes, your right it is the best kept secret, which is why Richard Hatch was given 10 years in jail and Wesley Snipes may get some time in the pokie.
Name: jazz
Comment: Ladybyrd-- JFK was trying to remove the U.S. troops, the war had already been in affect for years when he became president. LBJ upon JFK's %*$assination reversed everything that JFK was doing to pull the troops. JFK also put in place Executive Order 11110 in order to rid the country of the Federal Reserve Act. The reason that people are going to jail for tax evasion is because Attorney's are not taught that there is no law that requires employees to pay taxes. If you own your own company, there is a difference, but as employees, there are no laws that require taxes. There are also plenty of stories where people proved and won their cases. Media does a good job of under-reporting those triumphs. There is also a movement with some IRS employees who are beginning to speak out about this fraud. I've been studying/researching this topic for 12 years-- i'm really not talking out the side of my neck. Why is it that this country for 130 years never had taxes, and there was prosperity, but when taxes, via Fed. Reserve Act was in place, we began having inflation and eventually, the Great Depression? Here's a question for you, what has Obama done that is so positive, in your view?
Name: ladybyrd
Comment: jazz> You didn't answer my question. What did JFK do in his first 100 days?
Name: sabrina
Comment: The article was incorrect when it said that Professor Griff was a former member of Public enemy he still is. I definitely see the point that KRS ! and Professor Griff are making. Especially on the case of Africa and the invasion of AFRICOM in the continent. another is the so called of branding one's country's citizen of being prrates -The dumping of toxic waste poisoning the waters of Soamlia and hazardous for it's people has been going on for years when Bush and Clinton was in. nother vital point is the UN conference in Geneva of which Obama ran away from. The event is a lot more than just bad mouthing Israel.
Name: jazz
Comment: ladybyrd-- your reply is disappointing. i believe i answered your question and then some. while i like hearty debates, i see that our dialogue is going nowhere. i'll say this though, the illusion, that is our government is VERY effective. there is so much information contained therein, so hopefully you'll do your own exploration. don't take my word (in encourage that), but there is a wealth of information to begin your own research. I do like his family image though-- that does boades well with me. Have a good one. And Right On-- Sabrina!! Dems and Repubs are really one in the same. The system is terribly fractured. PEACE all
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